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home as a framist of my web world. Even though it's been really crazy.

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to record a source code. And in this case, I'm joined by a guest, although he'll only

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be a minor participant in the story. His name is Taxi Eric. He's my regular wheelman.

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from the car right now we're doing about what are we doing Eric 150 kilometers now we're coming

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from the northern part of the Netherlands in the province of Croningen which is near the city of

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Croningen which is a big college town and what else they do there yeah they suck natural gas out

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of mother earth that's what they do in Croningen and it's quite a drive from my house it's actually

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yeah oh boy what is 175 miles and I drove halfway up to

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I go home and drive over.

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He jumped in my car, left his cab waiting with the meter running.

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Because I had some business to do today as you probably remember.

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Yes, there was my last morning radio show for Radio Veronica.

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It was crazy.

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a lot of driving in between.

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And today is the start of my new life, new life day one,

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everybody.

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and get things prepared for our move, our pending move

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probably in the Surrey or Kent region, which is South of London.

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that the trauma helicopters, which are here, they're yellow,

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which some bad happens.

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to pick up and take you to the hospital.

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on top of the hospital.

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said, hey, that's not not right.

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you know, people leave after a while.

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self-appartner, Helle Holland, which is probably the only real helicopter coming to talk to.

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It's all done with fitting that for this particular case nightclub see their facility

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7.25 pm, by the way, this is Monday, September 1st.

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Eric is going to drop me off around the middle of the Netherlands in Aden.

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Wednesday today. What did I say? Monday. Okay, so maybe I should not smoke any more this joint.

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So just briefly about the radio show yesterday because it was kind of fun and I posted a link,

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certainly NSFW to what happened during the last show, the management. No, not my colleagues,

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but the actual management of the station felt that after a year because it was just a year that I promised

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to do the show of basically being silly and giggling about women all morning long, it was time to send

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me a really good stripper and that was jeweled parrots. What do you think? She was very good looking.

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system integration competency so I can do more modeling and developing and prototyping

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inquire inquire not the inquire but the inquire which is publication owned by the register.

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what Doug did was really important he put into plain well written English words.

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what we're trying to achieve with this and I've pointed to it on my web blog.

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where this should go, Doug explains it perfectly.

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and only opportunity to let you know about that now

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since he's writing about me. There's some history between us

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Vienna online or Quanto. Anyways, all the online services had finally gotten myself

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what I then called, cyberslees, which was kind of gossip news

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my Panics account and upper pop the day's news

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the worldwide web that we know today.

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Bolt or more, oh shit, well, Doug will kill me that I don't, and there's two dogs who will kill me that I don't know, and RS as well, and several people.

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the time. Just go crazy on and that's actually when we registered MTV.com. They said,

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didn't they made some money and we all like each other still.

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platform thing and I'm now getting more questions from people like Taxi Eric. I just want to plug in their MP3 device. I don't know when iPod is my dumb

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something that she plays music on and she hooks it up to the computer and I said,

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the computer for it to charge and we pick up in the morning you've got all your

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new shows. Which would be what shows would you like to hear Eric if you had to

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to happen today and I want to know something about the traffic, I want to know something

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This is something I picked up.

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um, the came from and see what feed it is.

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the blog digger.

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It's a nice, it's a fine tune that I like because it speaks to both sides of our party

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to the users and the developers.

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Check out every OS sucks.

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Well, hi there.

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Thank you for downloading another fine quality comedy product from 3Dedrals and a Peggy

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and your friends at MP3.com.

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Good for you.

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Of course, if you've downloaded this from Napster, screw you.

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You know what, free isn't good enough for you?

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You gotta rip us off.

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That's okay.

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I will find you and I will kill you.

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

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play pong. Nothing in between, you see. You didn't need a fancy operating system to play

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pong, and the men who went to the Moon God bless him did it with no mouse, and a plain text

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only black and white screen and 32 kilobytes of brown. But then around both the late 70s

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home computers started to do a little more than play pong. Very little horn.

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Why computer started to play games? Balance checkbooks? Why you could play a saxon on your Apple

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2 or write a book all with a computer that had 32 kilobytes of RAM. Was enough to go to the Moon?

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It was enough for you. It was a golden time. A time before windows. A time before mouses. A time

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before the internet and bloatware and a time before every OS sucked.

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Oh man.

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the olden times make them.

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I'd laugh and play all night and day on Sork 1, 2 and 3.

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The Amiga Vic 20 in the Sinclair 2, the TRS 80 and the Apple 2.

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it was a much, but it was enough. But then Xerox made a prototype. Steve Jobs came on the scene,

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red of mice and menus, windows, icons, a trash and a bit...

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TV said to Xerox, boys turn your heads and cough.

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When no one was looking to rip their interfaces up, stole every feature they had seen put

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it in a cute box with a tiny little screen.

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But it was slow, it was buggy, so they wrote it again, and now they're up to OS 10, they'll

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charge it for the base...

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Every OS waste your time, you're the best top to the lap.

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Everything since Apple does, just a bunch of crap.

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From Microsoft and Macintosh to LinLine and Linux.

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Well then Microsoft jumped in the game, copied Apple's interface with an OS named Windows.

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rose and rose. Then Windows 95, then 98, man, solitaire never ran so great and every single

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version came out late, but I guess that's the way it goes. But that bloatware will crash

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and delete your work in TME, man. None of them work, but gates may be Richard and Captain

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Kirk. But the Windows OS blows and sucks at that same time. I've treated in here right for

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what? It's top of the line from the CompuHut, the fridge stove and toaster, never crash on

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me. I should be able to get on live without a Ph.D. My phone doesn't take a week to

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glue it, but TV doesn't crash when I'm muted. A mishasket text in my floppy drive, I wish

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that it was still alive. But it ain't the hardware, man. It's just that every OS.

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Now there's Lennox or Lennox, I don't know how you say it or how you install it or use it or play it or

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where you download it or what programs run, but Lennox or Lennox don't...

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Before you say it, it's getting great press though, how it survives if anyone's gas

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in me asked me to great big mess for a leotist nerdy schmucks.

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It's free they say if you can get it to run, the geek say hey, that's half the fun yeah,

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but I got a girlfriend and things to get done.

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The Linux OS sucks.

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I'm sorry to say it, but it dies.

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Every OS waste your time from the desktop to the laptop.

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Everything since the abacus, just a bunch of crap.

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Cause every OS sucks, every computer crashes it

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beautiful every OS sucks and that drives right to the heart of what we're talking about

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That's something that both users and developers know but explain both from a different vantage point

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users know that every OS sucks because

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Every OS crashes even XP. Oh even OS 10 something always will suck eventually

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Every developer knows that every OS sucks because well they deal with it every single day

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And there's always bits that suck in there and something I've heard Dave went what Dave Winer say

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probably read him say hey

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That all software sucks all software is buggy and it's absolutely true now that I've been putting my own stuff together

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I know what the mistakes are in in iPodder. I know what's wrong

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I know it should be working differently and until you really dig into the code you won't know

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But you'll encounter it you'll find say hey that's strange. Why's it doing that?

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It may not come back. He might trip over it something might replicate but there's bugs in there

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Shit, we were just booting up the in-cart navigation. I might Audi A8

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But you think I paid enough fucking mula for it to

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For it all work the same thing is just it was rebooting and then finally caught and everything worked

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So I'm gonna wind up a source code for today. Just one do a little plug for taxi Eric because

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Well, that's part of how this kind of stuff works

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You know, we've got a little individual part of deals happening. I'm getting a discount on this ride right baby

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So if you're if you ever come to Amsterdam and you need

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Someone to wheel you around town at a good price and comfortable car. He's got a Mercedes

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CD elegance okay, 800 the from the elegant series

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And he's very clean and very he's very sweet boy

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Just fun to just talk about taxes for a second in Amsterdam

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Many many years ago there was basically a monopoly the taxi you get a correct correct me if I'm wrong

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Eric on this the TCA the the taxi central

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I'm so they they basically had all the medallions and

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You couldn't really compete with them, but there were some guys

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Guilders for only one-third of but one-third of a medallion so three guys

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Together would pay 300,000 guilders at the time was about a hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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So some guys said you know screw it will just be independence and you could they could wait by a could you wait by a phone?

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By a call phone or you had your own clients or own clients mobile phone

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Telephone everything you know, okay and

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But that of course took a major investment on these guys' part, you know,

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going with about 40 or 50 thousand dollars, basically by your one-third mind you of a medallion.

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So these cars, of course, were... it would always be on one car. Eric? No, it could just be three cars.

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It was three guys, so it was all the way 24 hours a day. Okay, so then yeah, three guys running on

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one medallion. So we had little micro pockets that started to pop up. And what really,

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boom for these guys was really the introduction of GSM mobile telephony. Because now you had

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these groups of guys who each had their own customers, you know, once you wind up with someone,

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they hand you a business card and hey, can I call you again here? It's my cell phone number,

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call me. And they started connecting these networks together. So if you're in a town like Amsterdam

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and you know, you don't just know your two other colleagues on the medallion, you know, maybe 50

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guys and all kinds of other groups. So what they do is if they could...

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make a client run themselves they call up one of their buddies uh... because

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you know that's not just spoke to uh... to keep

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and people's over its triple airport so maybe he's done all call him up so

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they have this all mapped out in their head and they have all these

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really appreciate it when you see it and the phone calls just keep flying all the time.

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And he calls someone else and he pick it up and then they'd hook him up later on.

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So it was a total barter system.

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And some guys got a little bit smarter and we're charged guys to give them work.

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So that kind of coupled along for a while.

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But then the city of Amsterdam did something very interesting.

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And this day don't know why.

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They said, you know what, we're going to change the rules.

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No longer is there a limited amount of medallions.

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We can start a taxi company.

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All you have to do is pass the test.

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Well, you could only imagine that this brought in a lot of really bad drivers.

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What?

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Bad cars also.

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Everything, bad drivers, bad cars.

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They didn't know the way.

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They didn't know how to speak.

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They didn't know how to open the door, open the truck.

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What's just shit?

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Now besides that, you had a whole bunch of guys sitting around who would invest at $50,000.

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And you know, within the day before two, a couple of years before, who were going to...

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pay that off probably for the rest of their professional career just as a part of the

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cost of doing. And these guys, yeah they got fucked basically.

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So if you're lucky you can still get for the same, but you did pay 40,000 euros, I say

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you're rose. Yeah. Now maybe you get, if you're lucky you get two, maybe two and a half

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tasks. For that same medallion. For the same number.

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Okay, so, and that really stirred up a whole bunch of shit in the cab world. And so now

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the free, actually I think, although it sounds really shitty, I think it's, I think it's

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actually very good because the free market at work, you see what's happening. You see

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the people who have hooked up with someone that they like and they appreciate and they're

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willing to pay for a courtesy and service and a clean car. Now they pay a little bit more

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and they, and they get a really good deal.

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to our, uh, yeah.

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again it's not just for a cat.

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yeah i'm gonna drive away as fast as possible

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all right so if you're coming to Amsterdam

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let me know send me an email out of it career dot com

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all the up with the taxi Eric

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this is the source code we still have, what do we have?

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But we've got 45 minutes until we hit, until we hit Hillversome.

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You know what we'll do?

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We'll try and upload this at a hotspot at a Wi-Fi point.

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We get to Hillversome, so we can get it up to the server then.

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And then by the time I get home, I already have responses to it.

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It's a wonderful thing.

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And tomorrow, of course, we'll go in depth a little bit more about the iPod platform and

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the latest updates and recent happenings around iPodder.

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And hopefully some more cool bits from stuff that we've been thinking up around the

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net because we are definitely making some stuff happen here.

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Until then, I'm Adam Curry.

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If again, if you want to react, Adam and Curry.

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Oh my God