1 00:00:01,500 --> 00:00:18,500 Good afternoon from Curry Castle. It's the Big 4 O birthday show. I'm Adam Curry. 2 00:00:18,500 --> 00:00:25,500 Today is Friday, September 3rd, 2004, and it was 40 years ago today that the nurse said 3 00:00:25,500 --> 00:00:30,500 in the Audentine Hospital, ma'am, if you don't push, we're never going to get this kid out. 4 00:00:30,500 --> 00:00:37,500 And that was me, born on this day in 1964. You listen to the source code. So good morning, 5 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:42,500 good afternoon, good evening, wherever you happen to be listening to the show. But of course, 6 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:50,500 it's probably on a commute from point A to point B. This is the only spot on your portable MP3 7 00:00:50,500 --> 00:00:58,500 player device that has a playlist where users and developers party together. So I've just been 8 00:00:58,500 --> 00:01:01,500 saying at home for my birthday today, nothing too special. 9 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Birthdays actually pretty big deal in the Netherlands. Typically the birthday boy or girl, 10 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,000 hold on, we just took this off for a second. The birthday boy or girl will get, 11 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:17,000 they'll have a special chair for them all decorated in the morning and presents are given 12 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:25,000 in the morning and breakfast. We're not that Dutch per se, but since I'm home anyway, kind of chilling out. 13 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Yeah, just had a nice easy wake up call for my 40th, which is good, a nice way to ease into the 14 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:44,000 the park where life apparently starts where everything begins at 40. Excuse me. 15 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,000 My buddy from the radio show, one of my two colleagues, Alexander stopped by 16 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:55,000 to another typical Dutch tradition and he actually drove for quite a distance to come here and he 17 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:00,000 just stopped by just to have a cup of coffee and chat and he gave me the most awesome, awesome 18 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:05,000 birthday gift. When we moved to the Netherlands, 19 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:11,500 about over four years ago, I already had Curry.com, which I was using quite happily. 20 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:16,500 And well, Curry.nl had been taken a long time ago by Hines, probably. 21 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:19,500 And I guess they have as much right to it as I do. 22 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:24,500 But Adam Curry.nl had been hijacked at the time. 23 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:26,500 I was like, yeah, whatever, I've got Curry.com. 24 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:29,500 I was never really planning on doing a Dutch weblog, which by now I've been doing it. 25 00:02:29,500 --> 00:02:30,500 Keeping in touch with a blog. 26 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,000 it just became live.curry.com slash Dutch and you know what people find it anyway, it's no big deal. 27 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000 But what Alex and I did is he went through the time and the trouble and this is what makes 28 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:48,000 us such a great gift to reclaim my domain name for me and it already links to my to my Dutch 29 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:54,000 weblog. So that's and he also promises going to renew every single year. So it's the gift that keeps 30 00:02:54,000 --> 00:03:00,000 on giving really. Adamcurry.nl that's my Dutch weblog and still posting on it though a little 31 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:08,000 less frequent as I used to and I was really doing the radio show in Holland and you know just 32 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:13,000 keeping up with everybody. Now I'm focusing a lot more of my time and attention on the 33 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:19,000 English weblog on curry.com. And I think I mentioned it yesterday just so you know that you can get to 34 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:26,000 the archive of all of the source code shows by going to dailysourcecode.com that's dailysourcecode.com 35 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:33,000 all three words written together. And the RSS feed if you want to subscribe to it we are pumping out 36 00:03:34,500 --> 00:03:42,500 So which means we have enclosures and those enclosures can be parsed by different aggregators, 37 00:03:42,500 --> 00:03:45,500 which will pull out the MP3 files for you. 38 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:47,500 And if you feel like it, you can use the iPodder. 39 00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:55,500 Now available for Windows, for Macintosh, for Linux, also for Pocket PC. 40 00:03:55,500 --> 00:04:00,500 And I just got some really good news that there is a version that works with Windows Media 41 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:03,500 Player. It hasn't been released yet. 42 00:04:03,500 --> 00:04:06,500 This is done by Erwin. 43 00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:11,500 And he based his code on the iPodder for Windows that works with iTunes. 44 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:16,500 Now what's great about having a release for Windows, the worst with Windows Media Player 45 00:04:16,500 --> 00:04:21,500 9 is that Windows Media Player 9 already has all kinds of different connections with 46 00:04:21,500 --> 00:04:23,500 different media devices. 47 00:04:23,500 --> 00:04:27,500 So when we talk about the iPod platform, of course, we're only talking about all devices 48 00:04:27,500 --> 00:04:30,500 that are portable to play MP3 files. 49 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:32,500 So this is a big breakthrough. 50 00:04:32,500 --> 00:04:35,500 And what I had hoped is, remember I told you that someone had... 51 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,000 claimed iPodder on SourceForge. 52 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Now it's going to set up a central resource. 53 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Now if I don't see it appeared this afternoon 54 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,000 or by tomorrow morning, then I am going to start up 55 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,000 a central spot, which will probably be SourceForge. 56 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,000 Just so we can aggregate all of these different scripts 57 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,000 and have it in one spot and then have us 58 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:58,000 get it probably find out if we get a good URL to point to it. 59 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,000 But we really have to start pulling this together. 60 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,000 Because it wouldn't be amazing if you could 61 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,000 create a little toolkit. 62 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Here's a thought for you. 63 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,000 If we create a little toolkit, let's say 64 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:16,000 I want to publish a program and I already have the software 65 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,000 to do it. 66 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,000 But what I want is I want to make sure 67 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 that my built-in audience who may not have already 68 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:25,000 been exposed to iPodder, that they can basically just 69 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,000 click on a standardized link, subscribe with iPodder, 70 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 whatever. 71 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,000 This link then will, if necessary, download a version 72 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,000 appropriate for your system. 73 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:40,500 including the feed that you just subscribed that you just looked at. 74 00:05:40,500 --> 00:05:45,500 So they'll have one or however feeds that particular program producer wants to put in there. 75 00:05:45,500 --> 00:05:48,500 And if you already have an iPodder, then of course it would hopefully only 76 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:51,500 subscribe you to to that feed. 77 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:56,500 I know it sounds trivial, but these are the things we still haven't gotten working on weblog. 78 00:05:56,500 --> 00:05:59,500 So I think we have quite a way to go on that one. 79 00:06:01,500 --> 00:06:02,500 Lawrence Lee sent me a note. 80 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:10,500 And he too was interested in the iPod platform and working with iPodder. 81 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:16,500 And he said, well, you know, there's a couple of different angles we should we could approach this from. 82 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:23,500 At the rate we're going, we're going to wind up with many, many different scripts for many different devices. 83 00:06:24,500 --> 00:06:28,500 Wouldn't it be simpler to create one centralized aggregating resource? 84 00:06:28,500 --> 00:06:30,500 And that's where that's where I say, I don't know. 85 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:38,500 I don't think so. You know, I think that this stuff has to be so decentralized, not just because of the load because there is death. 86 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,000 definitely load when you're doing any type of central aggregation. 87 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,000 But also for control, there should be no control, there should be no one in the middle 88 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:52,000 to grab control or for even to be the possibility of having some kind of control. 89 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,000 I just don't think that's a good idea. 90 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:00,000 But certainly something that we need to look into before we blow it off entirely or at least 91 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,000 that I think we should look into different ways of approaching this problem. 92 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:09,000 But as I said, I'm really happy with Erwin's Wendell Media and Windows Media Player Number 93 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,000 9. 94 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,000 Hi Anya. 95 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,000 What is this? 96 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,000 Huh? 97 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,000 From the close to fans. 98 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Oh, I'd play that. 99 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,000 Yeah. 100 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,000 Yeah, nigga. 101 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,000 Okay. 102 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,000 It was off the safe. 103 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,000 Yeah. 104 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,000 Okay, don't kill. 105 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,000 I was on your… 106 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,000 She helps out of here. 107 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:32,000 And so when I dropped off a nice gift for me, a nice bottle of something. 108 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Okay. 109 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,000 Very nice. 110 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,000 Thank you. 111 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Thank you very much. 112 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Great. 113 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,000 So this… 114 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:45,500 the Windows Media Player 9. I think that's a big win right there because it's basically, 115 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:49,500 you download the script, it brings the stuff in, you have a feeds file, you drop anything 116 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:54,500 into that feeds file you want, and Windows Media Player 9 can already sync up with a whole bunch 117 00:07:54,500 --> 00:08:03,500 of different portable devices, and probably they have the, it's set up with vendors of MP3 players 118 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:10,500 so that they can, I guess, get something into an update of Windows Media Player or something 119 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:14,500 that's downloadable so it syncs up. I mean, that would only make sense that they're working hard 120 00:08:14,500 --> 00:08:23,500 on that, so we can piggyback on all of that work. I also got a request to discuss the legal issues, 121 00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:32,500 specifically of playing music during one of these programs, and I don't think I want to go there, 122 00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:38,500 I don't think I want to get into that discussion on this program, or I don't really want to get 123 00:08:38,500 --> 00:08:41,500 into it at all, because it's, it's, it's, 124 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,000 such a big discussion that will really bog down the work we're doing. 125 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,000 In the case of source code, first of all, the rules are a little bit different in Belgium 126 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,000 and in the Netherlands and in the EU in general. 127 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:59,000 So, you know, there's, I'm not too worried about the RIAA clamping down on me because quite frankly, 128 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,000 I'm outside of the jurisdiction and reach and there's no partnership agreements whatsoever 129 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,000 on that front. 130 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Or at least as far as I know, there's no agreements on that front. 131 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:20,000 But also, you know, most of the stuff I'm playing, I've played so many times throughout my radio career. 132 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:27,000 I've made definite money for people along the way and I don't think that anyone who owns 133 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:32,000 the copyrights on these pieces of music, which I know most of them personally or I've met 134 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,000 at least once, they'll make a big deal out of it. 135 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:41,000 And, you know, copyright laws can't be intended so that when we're working on development 136 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,000 and research, that's exactly what we're doing here that we can't... 137 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:50,500 you stuff that's out there to do this type of research. Now if I was trying to make money on this in some other way, 138 00:09:51,500 --> 00:09:55,500 that might be open for discussion and I think that it's something that should be discussed, not right now. 139 00:09:55,500 --> 00:09:58,500 You know, now we're in R&D mode, we're digging down and trying to get 140 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:03,500 trying to get everything working. And I think we're having a lot of success. The 141 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:06,500 the Dutch Telegraph, 142 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:13,500 as I said yesterday pointed to the inquire article and to the iPod or scripts both the Mac and the Windows version. 143 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:19,500 And traffic has been amazing. I think a lot of feedback here from people in the Netherlands. 144 00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:22,500 Let me just see 145 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:29,500 I guess, Lawrence Lee, who had the, I think I messed it up there. 146 00:10:29,500 --> 00:10:35,500 Lawrence Lee had the legal question, and it was Andrew Davy, who had the question of 147 00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:39,500 centralizing the aggregation. 148 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:44,500 Or perhaps, here he says something interesting here. 149 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:47,500 He believes the development of community should work together to create an application that 150 00:10:47,500 --> 00:10:53,500 handles the nitty gritty of RSS parsing and provides a simple extensibility model for other 151 00:10:53,500 --> 00:10:54,500 people to plug into. 152 00:10:54,500 --> 00:10:58,500 Okay, so he's saying, why don't we build an aggregator? 153 00:10:58,500 --> 00:11:01,500 And that may make sense, but again, you're going to get into, I think you're going to 154 00:11:01,500 --> 00:11:05,500 get into Holy Wars of what language do we use? 155 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:09,500 And I think it's relatively simple enough that, hey, if I could create one of these things 156 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:11,500 to work, then almost anybody can. 157 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:15,500 And all we need is a couple of good versions that connect with all the right bits, and 158 00:11:15,500 --> 00:11:17,500 I think will be good to go. 159 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:19,500 So anyway, I sent everyone a note back. 160 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:25,500 He was going to talk to Peter who created the original iPodder for Windows, who asked 161 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,000 because he used some of his code, 162 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,000 well actually what he did is he removed the Apple script, 163 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,000 or the iTunes code and put in the Windows Media Player 9 code. 164 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,000 So already we're working modular across the board. 165 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,000 Very, very fun to watch. 166 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Something that I watched on my computer yesterday 167 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,000 was the most recent Apple keynote 168 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,000 from the Apple Expo in Paris. 169 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Well, although he can't help it, 170 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:00,000 it was very disappointing that Phil Schiller did the keynote 171 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,000 because I'm a big Steve Jobs keynote fan. 172 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,000 I love watching the way he presents, 173 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,000 and how he handles the stage. 174 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,000 And it's really a joy to watch him do that. 175 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,000 Phil Schiller actually did a pretty good job. 176 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,000 And it was fun to see how a format of a show like that, 177 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,000 because you know exactly what's gonna happen, 178 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:17,000 right? 179 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,000 He's gonna talk up some stuff in the beginning 180 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,000 and run through some of the stuff you saw 181 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,000 at the previous developer conference keynote. 182 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,000 It brings three vendors on stage, 183 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,000 one of the internal guys, they'll sit, you know, 184 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,000 stand behind their Mac show off their... 185 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:35,500 stuff, then you get some other wind up, some stuff in the middle, and then one more thing, 186 00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:39,500 then we need the box to rise out of the stage. It has the new iMac on it, which by the 187 00:12:39,500 --> 00:12:45,500 way does look very sweet. So that format was already there. That was cool, and Phil just 188 00:12:45,500 --> 00:12:51,500 kind of fit right in there. But even though he did a different, amazing job, he still doesn't 189 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:57,500 have that presence that Steve has. And of course, that's because Steve Jobs was a 190 00:12:58,500 --> 00:13:05,500 operated on, and he was at home recuperating. Phil Schiller said during the keynote that Steve 191 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:10,500 would be back in September. So I guess he's just about ready to start now. Although the one thing, 192 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:17,500 and these types of things they say about CEOs who are out of action, 193 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:25,500 I think hopefully most people care right off. How is Jobs doing? Is he okay? Is he 194 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:35,500 and your house is health? Unfortunately, the investment community. 195 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,000 meaning Wall Street is paranoid about this type of stuff and they really want to know 196 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:40,000 how is he doing? Is he coming back? And it's important to them for their investment strategies 197 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:46,000 and because it will, it's already affecting the content, no matter what. 198 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:54,000 When when Schiller did is I chat AV demonstration, if it all possible, that's where I would have 199 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:59,000 said, hey, you know, why don't you I chat Steve at home where he's recuperating? I mean, 200 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,000 if he's going to start in a couple of days or a couple of weeks, then presumably he would 201 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:08,000 be fit enough to do that. Of course, I didn't choose to do that and that it only makes me 202 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:17,000 hope that Steve Jobs is recovering very well and either didn't think of it or it was too 203 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,000 late for him or whatever, but that if he really is a fully recovered or almost there, that 204 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:26,000 would have been great. Just from a show perspective, you know, again, all I want is the best for 205 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:31,000 anyone certainly when it comes to health. So, let's see. 206 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:36,500 There was a little more in-depth demonstration of Safari RSS. 207 00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:43,500 And I remember commenting, I think on my web blog about the unveiling of Safari RSS. 208 00:14:43,500 --> 00:14:48,500 I thought jobs, uncharacteristically, didn't do a very good job of explaining what you 209 00:14:48,500 --> 00:14:55,500 can use this for and what Safari RSS will give you, what kind of benefits it will give you. 210 00:14:56,500 --> 00:15:01,500 Phil Schiller did a much, much better job. 211 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:04,500 And it looks like these guys really put together something excellent. 212 00:15:04,500 --> 00:15:08,500 It's basically, it's a built-in aggregator, but not just an aggregator where you can 213 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:09,500 subscribe to stuff. 214 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:13,500 You can easily make up sets of aggregated content. 215 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:18,500 So you can say, here's all of my feeds that I'm subscribed to. 216 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:21,500 And they do that with bookmarks, by the way. 217 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:24,500 I'm going to make a collection, so I want all my computer feeds here. 218 00:15:24,500 --> 00:15:30,500 And I think you can mix and match and slice and dice those collections almost on the fly and create a new one. 219 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:32,500 So you can just be looking at subsets. 220 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,000 that's of your already pre-aggregated data. 221 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,000 And then when you have that, 222 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,000 you can also search through that aggregated 223 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 through those aggregated feeds. 224 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,000 And you keep changing your view. 225 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,000 So not really getting results, 226 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,000 but you're getting different feeds. 227 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,000 And there's even a slider bar 228 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,000 so you can say, okay, how much content do I wanna read 229 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:56,000 underneath each entry in this aggregator 230 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,000 so it can be one line of text 231 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,000 or the entire text or anything in between. 232 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000 And it's just, it blew me away. 233 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,000 It looks like a really, really good aggregator. 234 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Now, of course, the questions are, 235 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,000 will it support enclosures? 236 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,000 And here comes the big plea, hey guys, 237 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,000 could you please connect it to iTunes? 238 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,000 Wouldn't that be great? 239 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,000 It would certainly make this, 240 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,000 well, we're trying to achieve a lot more robust 241 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,000 and much easier for people to use. 242 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,000 And it could open up an entire market. 243 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,000 So that's a question that remains to be seen, 244 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,000 but I'm very bullish on Safari. 245 00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:39,500 because they've got to have a database under the hood too. 246 00:16:39,500 --> 00:16:41,500 It's very excited about that. 247 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:44,500 Of course, that'll be at least another, 248 00:16:44,500 --> 00:16:48,500 probably another seven to eight months before that comes out, 249 00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:52,500 maybe even longer, they're talking about second half of 2005. 250 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,000 So remaining with Apple, oh, here's something I noticed. 251 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,000 It's just kind of cool. 252 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Here's something, you know, if you have an iPod, and I'm sure that most of these earphones 253 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,000 are built in a similar fashion, the iPod actually, I'm going to take one out now because 254 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:14,000 I'm wearing them, listening to the monitor of the recording. 255 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,000 The two ear plugs are different. 256 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:23,000 It even has one has an L on a right, indicating L on R, indicating left or right ear to 257 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,000 be inserted into. 258 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,000 But they're not symmetrical. 259 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,000 So they are built in a certain way that you can actually put it in. 260 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,000 It goes underneath, kind of, I'm sure that has a name, I should Google that. 261 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,000 What's that little thing on the inside of you? 262 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,000 The little inner low, I guess. 263 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,000 And then it kind of just hangs behind there and just kind of sticks in there and it's a real 264 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,000 comfortable fit. 265 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:53,000 I noticed something the other day when I was in a group of different people. 266 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,000 And remember, I'm 40 now, so you may... 267 00:17:55,500 --> 00:18:01,500 not to have the same results with people you know. But I, this is great. I found out that 268 00:18:01,500 --> 00:18:09,500 people who have had a facelift can't wear these earphones because a part of it, and of course 269 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:15,500 has to be a serious facelift. So what they do is they pull the skin of the face back towards 270 00:18:15,500 --> 00:18:20,500 the ear. You'll see people who had a couple facelift, you'll see their ears are kind of on the 271 00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:24,500 back of their head. But in the process of doing that, it kind of tightens everything in that 272 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:32,500 that inner load part just becomes straight. It doesn't really have a little piece sticking 273 00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:37,500 out where you can clip an iPod earphone behind. So just thought that was interesting, a 274 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:48,500 little faxoid. And of course that would open up a market for facelifted earplugs. And one 275 00:18:48,500 --> 00:18:56,500 other thing looking at this entire keynote is that Apple along with... 276 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:02,000 most other companies that are in the business of MP3 players, all they talk about is music. 277 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,000 That's all they talk about. 278 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,000 The iPod is for music, it's for bouncing, it's for, you know, look at the commercials. 279 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:13,000 It's, you know, listen to different music, share music between different computers, stream 280 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,000 music, buy music from the IT music store. 281 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:21,000 I'm like, wow, you know, this is, why are they driving it all towards that? 282 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,000 I haven't heard anything about different uses of audio. 283 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,000 And there are so many different uses. 284 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:31,000 It seems like we're not only have we forgotten what you can do with audio because we're 285 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,000 so video-minded I presume. 286 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,000 Just like we were rediscovering the written word and web logs and how powerful it can be 287 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:42,000 and what you can achieve just by writing something, we're going to go, I predict that we're 288 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:48,000 going to have a kind of reinvention of the wheel with video and audio, of course, will 289 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,000 probably happen a little bit sooner just because it's easier. 290 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:56,000 You know, we're able to transfer these large audio files and video files, you know, it's, 291 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,000 I think they're still a little bit too big right now for the... 292 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:03,500 hard to space and processing power well processing power is okay but bandwidth certainly is a problem. 293 00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:11,500 So anyway they're just not talking about it and you know that I find that kind of weird because we're 294 00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:16,500 you know we're going to go through people creating you know the old fashioned radio shows where people 295 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:22,500 are acting stuff out and and interviews and there's just so much more but not a word everyone's talking 296 00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:28,500 about music as if you know that's the only thing we can do with these devices so go figure. 297 00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:35,500 I had hoped at least somewhere that people would pick up on audio books because you know I've 298 00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:41,500 been talking about audio books Dave Winer has been talking about audio books. A lot of people are 299 00:20:42,500 --> 00:20:49,500 using these I think that there's a definite market here. I fact I saw that a quote by the CEO of 300 00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:54,500 audible.com the other set of the other day saying that you know they're doing fantastic. I'm sure 301 00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:59,500 it's his job to say that but he the quote read pretty sincere. Now I've been 302 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:06,000 to review an audiobook or two here on Source Code. And I thought I was going to step away from it, 303 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:12,000 but then I thought, no, it's such a great part of the content of the iPod platform that isn't 304 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,000 being talked about. I think we should do it. And there are lots of people who are listening to 305 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:24,000 to audiobooks. And I reviewed a couple of them, but here's something cool that happened. 306 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:31,000 Through Track Back, I received a comment on one of my audiobook reviews from Eric Rice. 307 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:40,000 I'm going to pull up his page here because what he doesn't have is, hmm, I'll see. 308 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,000 Oh, he has a little spinning beach ball of death. He's giving a second. 309 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:53,000 So anyway, he's using, I think he's using audio blog.com to post his audio blogs. 310 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:58,000 And I never used it, but from what I understand with audio blog.com, you best be set it up 311 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,000 and then you dial in with a special phone. 312 00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:06,500 number or use do a select a phone code once you've dialed in. You record your audio blog, 313 00:22:06,500 --> 00:22:11,500 you press star or hang up, and then it automatically posts it onto your web blog. Well, so here's 314 00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:17,500 what happened. Eric is listening to Source Code in the car. He hears something about audio books. 315 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:23,500 He wants to respond to it. He calls up his audio blog.com account and leaves the following message. 316 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,000 There comes, hold on. 317 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:34,500 everybody is there from air christ dot com 318 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:37,500 on a very warm and beautiful when they hear in california 319 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:41,500 uh... today's audio blog is actually for adam curry i a uh... 320 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:44,500 like adam i drive a tremendous amount 321 00:22:44,500 --> 00:22:45,500 during the week 322 00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:49,500 and something we probably put similar miles on our cars and i'm looking to a 323 00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:51,500 daily source code mp3 324 00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:55,500 it's a kind of content that i can take with me a little bit different than some 325 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:58,500 audio blog for audio blog more streaming the more momentary 326 00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:01,500 uh... probably takes more work to go ahead and load it up on your iPods and it 327 00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:04,500 does actually fit it play and 328 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:06,500 figure out that the amount of the business with me so 329 00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:09,500 uh... he's talking about audio book and he talking about 330 00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:14,500 reviews of audio book and i have to pipe in here because i recently purchased 331 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:19,500 at another audio book and i'm starting to do to join the audio book bandwagon 332 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:22,500 primarily because of how much time i spend in the car 333 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:24,500 uh... like everybody else got an iPod 334 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:28,500 and i am hopelessly addicted to one book 335 00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:30,500 and i think it's because of the 336 00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:31,500 the reader 337 00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:32,500 the guy who narrates the story 338 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,000 The book is something that probably most technical folks like. 339 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:42,000 It's a cyberpunk thriller called Snowcrash by Neil Stevenson. 340 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,000 I have the unabridged version and it's 18 hours long. 341 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:50,000 I'll tell you, there is nothing cooler than listening to Snowcrash, especially if you like the novel. 342 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,000 And driving, especially at night or when it's rainy and nasty. 343 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,000 I've actually video blogged this before. 344 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,000 It's a book that really just draws you in. 345 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,000 Jonathan Davis does a phenomenal job of reading this. 346 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:11,000 So I actually went on iTunes to search for more audio books that are read by Jonathan Davis. 347 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Now I know Jonathan Davis is a part of our work. 348 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,000 There's just a little snippet from Eric Rice. 349 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,000 So here's what I find phenomenal. 350 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,000 So he wasn't necessarily responding to a book that I was talking about. 351 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:27,000 But he was responding to audio to my program about audio books. 352 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000 And he gave me an idea. 353 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:35,000 Let me tell you, Snowcrash by Neil Stevenson was the inspiration for Metaverse. 354 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:38,500 which was a domain name that I registered in the 80s. 355 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:40,500 It was a very early 90s. 356 00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:44,500 And I was right after MTV.com, that's right, Metaverse.com. 357 00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:46,500 And I actually had an agreement with Neil Stevenson 358 00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:49,500 that, you know, he said, you can use the domain name, no problem, 359 00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:52,500 as long as you don't merchandise the name, Metaverse for T-shirts 360 00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:54,500 or books or films, whatever. 361 00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:56,500 We had a little contract and it was perfect. 362 00:24:56,500 --> 00:24:58,500 And he actually thought it was quite an honor that, you know, 363 00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:01,500 he was this place in cyberspace called The Metaverse. 364 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:05,500 If you've read Snowcrash, then you know that The Metaverse is basically, 365 00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:07,500 it's basically the net. 366 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:10,500 It's the internet in this book and everyone can jack into it. 367 00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:12,500 But you really jack in 3D. 368 00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:18,500 So Snowcrash has such, you know, I love that book. 369 00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:19,500 I really did. 370 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:23,500 It gave me a whole different view on where we might be going in the future. 371 00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:27,500 So I thought, hey, you know, if there's an audio book version 372 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:31,500 and Eric Rice, who apparently really appreciates the speaker, 373 00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:34,500 you know, then this is a book that I want to have. 374 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,500 And yeah, I think I can... 375 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:41,000 and divvy up 18 or 19 hours worth of listening to Snowcrash. I'm sure, yeah, I mean do it. 376 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,000 So the real interesting thing here is this feedback loop that was created. 377 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,000 Let me talk about what happened first, and I'll get back to the feedback loop. 378 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:59,000 So check how the flow of money went on this. So Eric says, check out Snowcrash. 379 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:05,000 I go to audible.com, and I'm like, you know, I hope they have it. Type it in Snowcrash. 380 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:10,000 You know, Stevenson, yeah, on a bridge version. It's there. And then I see a banner up at the top. 381 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,000 And believe me, I don't think I've ever purchased anything off clicking on a banner. 382 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:20,000 But it was for John Stewart's new book, which audio book of his book. I guess he has a book, 383 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:26,000 but this is the audio book version, which he goes through the history of America and democracy. 384 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,000 And see, the Snowcrash book was $34.95. And I thought that was a lot of money for it. But you know, 385 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:38,000 of course it's 7, 18 hours worth. But still, you know, I think I'm in. 386 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:39,500 That's a lot of money for one book. 387 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:43,500 John Stewart's book, on the other hand, was $7.95. 388 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:47,500 I'm not sure how audible does this, but apparently it's like each time you buy a book, then 389 00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:52,500 you get a book credit, and then it's subtracted from your next purchase. 390 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:56,500 So I had a book credit from my previous purchase, and what I thought was really nice is that credit 391 00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:00,500 was applied towards the $34.95 and not the $7.95. 392 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:04,500 So I basically got the John Stewart book and Snow Crash for $7.95, and I feel really good 393 00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:08,500 about myself, and they're both in great quality with great speakers. 394 00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:12,500 And the John Stewart stuff, I haven't finished it all, so I don't want to do a review until 395 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:15,500 I've heard all of it. 396 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:16,500 But it is phenomenal. 397 00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:17,500 And it's exactly what I was talking about. 398 00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:24,500 He has different speakers, different voices, he has sound effects, he has, it's a real radio 399 00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:31,500 show almost with people acting out parts, and it's just so well put together. 400 00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:34,500 And he also has a very nice speaking voice for audio. 401 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:38,500 So if the audiobook business doesn't... 402 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:45,000 see this and see how simply it goes, you know, than they're crazy. And I think that we can be a part 403 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:52,000 of that ecosystem one way or the other. See, there was everything else about the John Stewart book. 404 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,000 Oh yeah, I do want to say something about John Stewart book. I want to say that, 405 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:04,000 unfortunately, still can't seem to get a steady RSS feed of daily shows. But I know John pretty 406 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:10,000 well because he started out, as many of you may know, at MTV, he had a show called the John Stewart 407 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:17,000 show. And that was on about six or six or eight months before I left MTV to go and start my company. 408 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:24,000 And we hung out at the very first MTV V-chows. And he's a really nice guy. And he was just at the 409 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:30,000 wrong spot at MTV. You know, they were so overprotective because you couldn't piss anybody off, 410 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:36,000 no record companies. You had to be politically correct. That's what the rock and roll video station was 411 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,000 and still is today. And so Comedy Central of course got a... 412 00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:43,500 over the years because they had the same problem because it's also an MTV network, 413 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:45,500 so via a common company. 414 00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:50,500 Somehow they were allowed to become the bastard child and of course they've been very successful 415 00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:56,500 with many shows on Comedy Central, think of South Park, think of Daily Show and of course 416 00:28:56,500 --> 00:29:05,500 this new comedian who I just saw on a bit torrent of Jay Leno, was in David Chappelle, America's 417 00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:10,500 funniest man and I'm also going to download the Dave Chappelle shows. 418 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:21,500 So one thing that I of course I'm just astounded by is that Audible does not have RSS feeds. 419 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:26,500 Think of the opportunity here, just think of the opportunity if I can create an RSS feed 420 00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:30,500 and say well I'm only interested in these types of books where I'm not interested in this 421 00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:37,500 or I like this particular staff pick so give me his or her recommendations in my feed. 422 00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:41,500 Oh it seems like so incredibly simple to do this stuff. 423 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,000 And you know what? Maybe there's a market right there for someone putting together a feed 424 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:51,000 of audio books. It doesn't necessarily have to be, you don't have to be selling them. 425 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,000 You could be through an affiliate program. All kinds of opportunities with this stuff. 426 00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:00,000 Okay, so what I did want to say about the feedback loop of audio blog.com, that really connected 427 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,000 to me because what's so great about radio is that you are always involved in a community. 428 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:11,000 Typically, or at least the way I think radio works best, it's within a city, or within 429 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:17,000 a certain region so that they're talking about stuff that you are familiar with. And not 430 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,000 just some guy like sitting at Clear Channel pushing buttons, firing off local jingles. 431 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:29,000 So on Philadelphia, it sounds like he's local and saying, you know, in Iowa. And another 432 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:34,000 part of that community is that radio stations often use the telephone as the feedback loop. 433 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,000 So you can call in. Yeah, you may not get on the air. In fact, you probably won't get on 434 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,000 the air, but I'll tell you, on morning shows, there are many lists. 435 00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:47,500 who are regulars because they always have something funny to say and some of them eventually 436 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:50,500 get a hotline numbers they can call in directly. 437 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:54,500 But most of the time the calls are screened at larger market stations and these people are 438 00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:56,500 professionals they know how to pick someone funny out of the... 439 00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:05,500 to create that feedback with which is a beautiful one if you think about it because here you are 440 00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:10,500 you're listening to the radio you're listening to a talk show you hear someone say something you hear 441 00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:14,500 a phone number you pick up the cell you dial it you talk to a producer if you're lucky you get through 442 00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:21,500 you're on the air boom you know you're on the radio you're in the loop now our system won't work as 443 00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:26,500 immediate as that but of course it doesn't have all the drawbacks of a centralized system as well 444 00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:33,500 mainly that you can't own one and you can't have one but we can use this audio blog system 445 00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:40,500 now I thought about it just briefly last night before I went to sleep and we have to have some 446 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:49,500 kind of way of trying to tie in you know maybe if this is the source code for for September 3rd 447 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:53,500 when you dial into a special number you're going to say okay I'm responding to the source code 448 00:31:53,500 --> 00:32:01,500 September 3rd and maybe you you type in oh nine oh three oh four and then it knows that wherever it 449 00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:10,500 sends this 450 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:10,000 your message to it knows to attach it to that audio blog post or to that particular show in 451 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,000 the ART program and the archive, which could be here we go I'm thinking now I know developers 452 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:24,000 out there help me out here. In theory I think it should be possible to make use of the comments element 453 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:35,000 in RSS 2.0 and I think that if I'm mistaken the comments can also have their own RSS 2.0 feed 454 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:43,000 and then those would include enclosure attachments of the audio blog responses. 455 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,000 Now the first thing I thought in this structure is okay that's great but we're going to get lots and 456 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:55,000 lots of spam of people calling up and I said well you know what? No we won't because we're going to 457 00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:01,000 charge him. If you want to comment then you know you're going to have to pay a little bit so that 458 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,000 the service is paid for and so 459 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:07,500 that the feedback loop is completed and also to combat spam. 460 00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:14,500 If people had to spend money on email spam, there would be a hell of a lot less spam. 461 00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:17,500 So that should be fairly easy to set up. 462 00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:20,500 And maybe a way to make money. 463 00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:26,500 If you haven't got enough people who are compelled to drop 50 cents or a dollar or God knows how 464 00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:29,500 much, maybe 20 cents or 9 cents, I don't know. 465 00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:32,500 If you have enough or calling up, that could be interesting. 466 00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:35,500 But anyway, the feedback loop is the main thing. 467 00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:42,500 And I'm going to look into audio blog.com and see what kind of API, the application programming interface. 468 00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:51,500 See what we can do if we can talk to it, if we can tie it into existing programs and 469 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:54,500 then in an archive using the current weblog technologies. 470 00:33:54,500 --> 00:34:01,500 And they sound a little bit discombobulated, but it is because I'm still trying to figure it all out. 471 00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:05,500 Okay, we are damn 34 minutes into this. 472 00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:05,500 It's my birth. 473 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,000 day today so I get to select the song of the day and I chose for a classic by Jackie 474 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:17,000 DeShire. What the world needs now is love, sweet love, people are thinking. 475 00:34:18,750 --> 00:37:16,250 [ Music ] 476 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,000 I play a song on the day because someone came online and my eye chat definitely let me 477 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,000 know about that in the middle of Jackie D'Shanan's what the world needs now, which is really my 478 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,000 only true birthday wish. And that's it for source code for today. We'll be back to, 479 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,000 no, promise myself we're going to do anything on weekend. So tomorrow, I'm at the air show 480 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:44,000 and Lailie start all day. I'm being picked up at 10. We're flying in. I'll be there until 481 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:49,000 about 5. And I will be updating. What I'll do is I'll see if I can keep the computer running 482 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:55,000 here so I can do some GSM phone updates and also take the big camera for some really high 483 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,000 quality pictures because there's going to be some classic planes there and if you're 484 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:04,000 into aviation, it should be exciting. So look for that tomorrow on live dot curry dot 485 00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:09,500 If you want to respond just leave a comment there on the post for this program for today 486 00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:15,500 Or of course you can also send an email at atom at curry dot com and I will see you on Monday 487 00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:17,500 Have a good one everybody bye bye 488 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 489 00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:45,500 I'm not sure I can win here. 490 00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:47,500 But I'm not sure I can win. 491 00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:49,500 I'm not sure I can win.