1 00:00:01,500 --> 00:00:08,500 The game is over. 2 00:00:08,500 --> 00:00:11,500 The game is over. 3 00:00:11,500 --> 00:00:15,500 Well, this is my day. September 6th, 2004. 4 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:26,000 comes to you either via download or maybe subscription through RSS and the iPodder. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,000 I'm not on curry and it is... 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,000 we should think about breaking format right off the bat here for a second. 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:38,000 First of all, it's my sister-in-law, Yvonne's birthday today, so I want to play a song 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,000 for her. 9 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,000 And everybody could do, use a little bit of energy on a Monday morning. 10 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,000 And a long time ago, a couple of guys called the Easy Beats put a song together that really 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,000 sums it up and really... 12 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:51,500 if you need that boost on them. 13 00:00:56,250 --> 00:03:21,250 [ Music ] 14 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:37,500 And actually, I realized that I did a very KC KC mask announcement a couple of guys 15 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:40,500 a bit long time ago, called the easy bleeds deliverable. 16 00:03:40,500 --> 00:03:42,500 Anyway, sorry about that. 17 00:03:42,500 --> 00:03:43,500 Oh, memo to self. 18 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:48,500 I have to find the KC KC long distance dedication, dead puppy snippet. 19 00:03:48,500 --> 00:03:49,500 That's a classic. 20 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:55,500 And for those of you who know who KC KC is, I guess he's still on the air with his, what 21 00:03:55,500 --> 00:03:56,500 am I doing? 22 00:03:56,500 --> 00:03:58,500 He's not doing the top of the top 40 anymore. 23 00:03:58,500 --> 00:04:00,500 Well, anyway, countdown radio show. 24 00:04:01,500 --> 00:04:02,500 So I did a pretty good weekend. 25 00:04:02,500 --> 00:04:07,500 Saturday was really nice because I went to the air show at Laylee's South here in the Netherlands. 26 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:10,500 And I was an invited guest, which meant I got to fly in. 27 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:18,500 You had a PPR number, which means you have a previous prior request or you have a permission 28 00:04:18,500 --> 00:04:19,500 to land. 29 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:23,500 It was cool, you know, because they had me land and then turn in right into the main stage, 30 00:04:23,500 --> 00:04:24,500 which is in front of the... 31 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:28,500 thousand people there and then flew air your hover taxi to off to us. 32 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:35,000 cool to do that. That's the moment when you like, I don't want to fuck this up. You know, let's look 33 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:41,000 good. Well, we're having a taxi. But it was really nice. It was very well organized. They had, 34 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:47,000 yeah, they really did a professional job. They were classic old planes to brand new VLAs. 35 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:52,000 These very light aircraft, which really started out as experimental crafts and are now a lot of them 36 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:58,000 are certified and very inexpensive to own and operate, but very luxurious and actually quite fast 37 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:06,000 as well. And while I was, all they said, jet fighters and aerobatics. And I actually posted a picture 38 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:11,000 of the blue eagles from the Royal Air Force in the United Kingdom who did a helicopter, 39 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:18,000 didn't demonstration with the four gazelles and one links, which was capable of doing looped 40 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:23,000 elopes, pretty intense. And then I was walking amongst the crowd at a certain point, I had to get a new 41 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:28,000 battery out of the helicopter for my camera. I heard someone call my name and I heard it was an American 42 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:37,000 accent. So I turned around and this is guy, which is himself as John. 43 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:35,500 A developer, now who had quit his job just recently so I congratulated on that. 44 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:38,500 I think he quit his job in the States and moved over here too. 45 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Lighten, which is a big university town. And he said that he had heard about the air show on 46 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,000 the source code the previous day. And he decided to come to the show. He didn't even know there was 47 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:56,000 an air show on. So we chatted for a little bit and it was just really cool to see what the reaches 48 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:04,000 of a show like this. And from there, we got back home safe, which means we had a really good day. 49 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:10,000 And I ran to my email hoping that someone had picked up on Dave Winer's birthday hint and made 50 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:16,000 a template for dailysourcecode.com. No such luck, no designs, not an inkling. And then of course, 51 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,000 it got pretty depressing as I don't know what the coverage was in the States, but here in another 52 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:31,000 of the Russian school drama was just so intense and they just kept on going the images just kept 53 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:37,000 coming back. There was so much video footage of it all and especially as a parent it hurts so 54 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,000 much to think about what those kids went through and what the parents are going through and just 55 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,000 what everyone's going through and what was the... 56 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:49,500 It's just, and you know, what are we coming to? 57 00:06:49,500 --> 00:06:54,500 You know, it's, you know, part of this was an accidental detonation at whatever bombs 58 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:55,500 they had with them. 59 00:06:55,500 --> 00:07:02,500 But I understood there was also one woman who would detonate it herself. 60 00:07:02,500 --> 00:07:06,500 I'm thinking, man, you know, what despair are people in this can't just be religion. 61 00:07:06,500 --> 00:07:07,500 I don't believe that. 62 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:12,500 I think that there's a lot, you know, people are just driven to the edge. 63 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:17,500 And if your kids are killed and you're in Chechnya and your husband's been carted off and 64 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:21,500 you've never seen them again, maybe out of despair, you, all you can think of is, look, 65 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:23,500 I'm going to give you a taste of your own medicine. 66 00:07:23,500 --> 00:07:26,500 It's just, it's crazy, you know, people are popping off all over the globe. 67 00:07:26,500 --> 00:07:32,500 This is not exclusive to, to this conflict or to the Middle East, you know, to Palestine 68 00:07:32,500 --> 00:07:38,500 or, or Iraq or, or anywhere for that matter, you know, Bali. 69 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:39,500 It's happening everywhere. 70 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:40,500 Suicide bombers. 71 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:45,500 This is, people are really going to desperate needs, desperate measures. 72 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:47,500 So anyway, I... 73 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,000 can't change that yet. 74 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,000 Foling could reprogram bits of the world that would feel so good. 75 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,000 So this is the Daily Source Code. 76 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,000 It's where users and developers party together and we're very proud of it. 77 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,000 Something we've been talking about a lot on the show is audio books. 78 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:08,000 See I made a note to myself to look at this email from a hermit in Montreal. 79 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,000 Who sent this to me. 80 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,000 He's just discovered the Daily Source Code the other day. 81 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,000 I think it's fascinating. 82 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:20,000 He says that he spends way too much money on audible.com as it is, but really loves the reviews. 83 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 He says they also have a lot of good free content you can download. 84 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,000 They actually are a really good source for NPR periodicals. 85 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,000 And indeed if you're a member of audible you can download a lot of that stuff for free. 86 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,000 He recommends the talisman by Stephen King. 87 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:42,000 There's a, he says the first version was the best with Frank Mueller as the narrator. 88 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,000 He also says no crash was cool. 89 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,000 This month we bought the dark tower part six by Stephen King. 90 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,000 The seventh and final book to release. 91 00:08:49,500 --> 00:08:55,500 on the Stephen King's birthday, which is the 21st of September. And he also got Princess 92 00:08:55,500 --> 00:09:00,500 of Ireland also recommended by Audible users. So there you go, if only I could get an 93 00:09:00,500 --> 00:09:04,500 RSS feed of someone's recommendations. You know, wouldn't that be great and a little snippet 94 00:09:04,500 --> 00:09:08,500 as an enclosure so I could just zap through on my iPod in the morning and see if I like 95 00:09:08,500 --> 00:09:13,500 the speaker, see if the story sounds interesting, maybe listen to a little bit of a review. It 96 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:17,500 could be actually, I was thinking about that the other day, one way we could do this, developers 97 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:22,500 listen up. So let's say I'm listening to different audio books on my iPod. And I know the iPod 98 00:09:22,500 --> 00:09:24,500 can do this, I have no idea how it works with other devices, I'm sure there's... 99 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,000 So if I'm listening to an audio book, I can give that a rating, one to five stars. 100 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,000 You can do that on your iPod. 101 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,000 It's a selection you can just thumb through and get to. 102 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,000 So what if I set it up? 103 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:43,000 So when I re-dock my iPod, it went in, a little program went in and said, let's take anything 104 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:54,000 that has four stars or above and create an RSS file from that and upstream it and then put 105 00:09:54,000 --> 00:10:00,000 links into the pages where they can be downloaded and reviews, etc. 106 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,000 It would be a way to kind of do your review on the fly without too much effort. 107 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:11,000 I think it's technically possible and well, in the next few weeks to come, I'll probably 108 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,000 give it a whirl and see if I can get it done. 109 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:20,000 Dave Winer posted that he had taken my recommendations and purchased Snowcrash and John Stewart's book 110 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,000 which I'm still listening to. 111 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,000 I love it so much. 112 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,000 I only really turn it on when I know that I'm not going to be disturbed by any one or anything. 113 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:33,000 But what was interesting is I remember I told you I paid $7.95 for John Stuart's book and David 114 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:40,000 apparently got it for $4.95. So maybe Audible is really just a little bit more expensive than the rest. 115 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:46,000 I like it a lot though. It seems to work fine for me in every little online library so you can 116 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:52,000 delete files if you want to go back and download it again you can. And of course, 117 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,000 it's a lot of snow crash waiting in the wings to be red but haven't started that one. 118 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,000 That's something probably when I really take a full day off. 119 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:12,000 And I had a big oh wow experience over the weekend. The Skype client for Mac OS 10 was released. 120 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:18,000 I've heard a lot about Skype. I actually know Nicholas and Janice, who created Skype, who created 121 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:25,000 a Kaza because I met them several years ago when we were working on the Jambi stuff. 122 00:11:25,500 --> 00:11:26,500 they were working on creating super nodes. 123 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:29,500 And then those guys really knew what they were talking about. 124 00:11:29,500 --> 00:11:31,500 And they were really smart about this stuff. 125 00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:35,500 They've created a basically a voice over IP, 126 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:40,500 well, there's a buzzword, voice over IP application program 127 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:45,500 that you can use to make telephone calls with. 128 00:11:45,500 --> 00:11:46,500 And the way they do it, 129 00:11:46,500 --> 00:11:51,500 they use some of the peer-to-peer concepts behind Kazaar 130 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:52,500 presumably to make it all work. 131 00:11:52,500 --> 00:11:55,500 And that doesn't interest me too much because 132 00:11:56,500 --> 00:11:58,500 this is available in many different forms. 133 00:11:58,500 --> 00:12:01,500 And you've probably heard about the voice over IP, 134 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:05,500 buzz for maybe a couple of years now. 135 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:08,500 And I was like, yeah, sure, I can use iChat. 136 00:12:10,500 --> 00:12:14,500 There's different programs that will allow me to do that. 137 00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:16,500 There's some drawbacks to it. 138 00:12:16,500 --> 00:12:22,500 I don't like being that people can see I'm online, so they say, he's online, so thus I can go 139 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:28,500 column up or I chat him or whatever. So not to keen on that. But it was interesting. 140 00:12:29,500 --> 00:12:34,500 And this is the part that I didn't get until I actually tried it, is that you can use Skype, 141 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:40,500 and that's spelled SKYPE. By the way, so it's Skype.com, I believe it's their URL. 142 00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:45,500 You can actually use this, you type in a phone number, and it will call that telephone, 143 00:12:45,500 --> 00:12:53,500 so you can have a conversation from your computer over the internet to a regular phone line. 144 00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:57,500 And that's when, you know, and only did I actually sit there, I was sitting with my laptop, 145 00:12:57,500 --> 00:13:00,500 and I just had, I didn't have headphones or a microphone on, just using the internet. 146 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,000 called our Belgian number, the house line, 147 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000 and Patricia picked up. 148 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,000 She was sitting there right next to me 149 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,000 and she didn't know that I was calling 150 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000 and then I'd start talking to her. 151 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,000 And it was so, wow, this is weird. 152 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,000 He's talking into his laptop 153 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000 and I'm talking to him on the telephone. 154 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,000 That was a real brain reset moment there for a second. 155 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,000 So I started to delve in and find out how this works. 156 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:26,000 And it turns out there's a lot of voice over IP service providers. 157 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,000 And what appears to be the main standard 158 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000 that people are adhering to 159 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000 something called SIP. 160 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Sit, I'm not quite sure what it stands for, 161 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,000 but I'm sure it has to do with some standardization 162 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:42,000 of how you do voice over IP, so voice over the internet. 163 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:47,000 And what these companies do is they have local dial in numbers. 164 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,000 You've probably heard of J-Facts or some service 165 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:56,000 where you can basically rent or buy or rent a phone line. 166 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,000 And that'll go straight to a voicemail box 167 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,000 and so someone to you, so actually I have a number in New York. 168 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,000 You can call it my New York number. 169 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,000 And it's only a local phone. 170 00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:08,500 phone call and then what it does is it takes the phone call and then it's already on the 171 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:12,500 internet. So sending the message to me is just using internet protocols and email and I have 172 00:14:12,500 --> 00:14:17,500 a special web place I can go to as well to listen to my archive messages. They also do 173 00:14:17,500 --> 00:14:21,500 it for fax's same thing. You can add another fax line or if I wanted to I could say, hey, 174 00:14:21,500 --> 00:14:28,500 I want a local phone line in Los Angeles or I want one in Ireland. So I've used that and 175 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:32,500 that's been around for a while and that's actually works pretty well. This is the exact 176 00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:37,500 same concept where you say, I want a phone line, I want a phone number in New York. So people 177 00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:41,500 in New York can give me a call. Maybe I want to look like I have an office in New York 178 00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:46,500 and I want one in LA and whatever. And then when people call that number at that point, it's 179 00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:51,500 basically only a local call. That's why it doesn't cost very much. That's where your voice 180 00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:59,500 over IP provider picks up the call and then goes out and finds your computer to say, hey, 181 00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:05,500 ring ring, you've got a call and set up the call. So basically you have a phone number that 182 00:15:05,500 --> 00:15:06,500 works. 183 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,000 like a phone can be called from any phone and you can call to any phone and you have the 184 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:17,000 same number that remains with you. And because the distance, if you're calling long distance, 185 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:22,000 is really on your local phone call, that's why they can give you incredibly cheap rates. So I could 186 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:31,000 actually call New York from my house in Belgium. It's still ours, but about to not be. And I can make 187 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:37,000 that call for, I spec'd it out. There's one service plan I could get it for 1.7 cents per minute. 188 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:43,000 Unheard of. Literally unheard of prices. Now of course, you're probably saying, yeah, but you know, 189 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:49,000 I don't want to take phone calls on my computer. And it also has a very hands-free feel to it, 190 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:54,000 which is just not nice. So a lot of these service providers are, and this is what it comes down to, 191 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:00,000 because this system, anyone can set up with your, I think they're called DID, your local dial-in number. 192 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:06,000 Any company can rent time, rent phone numbers, and set something like this up. Where they're going to 193 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:11,500 in the differentiation and the United Unique Selling Proposition, if you will, to give you a marketing 194 00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:19,500 term, is in the services, so really expanded voicemail capabilities, conferencing capabilities, 195 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:26,500 anything you can think of that any service that you're getting now for your local phone company 196 00:16:26,500 --> 00:16:33,500 and then some and just think of all the capabilities of being able to attach internet capabilities 197 00:16:33,500 --> 00:16:38,500 to a phone call. There's a lot of richness in there. So you don't really want to be doing this on 198 00:16:38,500 --> 00:16:43,500 your computer, so any service provider that's really serious about their business will also give you 199 00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:48,500 what they call a SIP phone, so they'll give you a software version, which you can make calls with 200 00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:53,500 from any computer in the world as long as it's connected to the internet and has some reasonable bandwidth 201 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:58,500 but even that isn't really necessary because voice is so low in data intensity. 202 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:06,500 One day to volume I should say perhaps, they give you a SIP phone which is just like a regular phone, 203 00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:14,500 only you plug it into either you. 204 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:15,000 your router or your cable modem or your USB or they have all different kinds of versions 205 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:21,000 or if you can just, if it's always, I think they actually might even have a Wi-Fi version. 206 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,000 And it looks and feels and acts just like a real phone. 207 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,000 You pick it up and then it'll give you a dial tone. 208 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,000 It's not really giving you a dial tone. 209 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,000 It's giving you a fake dial tone but it sounds like a dial tone. 210 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,000 You dial your number and then from there it's just like the version on your PC and you're 211 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,000 making real calls. 212 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,000 And conversely when a call comes in, it'll ring. 213 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:46,000 Even better than that is a little version which is a box which sits between in between 214 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:52,000 your network so your cable modem when you're at ADSL or you know, and you're, I don't 215 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,000 know if they have a Wi-Fi version but presumably Wi-Fi as well. 216 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:59,000 And on the other end you plug in your existing phone and your or your existing phone system. 217 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,000 So then there's really no difference between picking up your phone and making calls and 218 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:09,000 receiving calls versus with a local phone company versus voice over IP. 219 00:18:10,500 --> 00:18:16,500 That was like, that just blew me away because this changes the entire model of how phone companies make 220 00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:21,500 money and essentially it just kills them. Home on, I'm going to take a sip here. 221 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:31,000 I've gotten into the habit of drinking Schwepp's Indian tonic during the source code. 222 00:18:34,500 --> 00:18:41,500 a little bit of mother earth. So anyway, I can see this Skype thing really going places and I've 223 00:18:42,500 --> 00:18:47,500 I'm determined this week to work with the the version on my computer and make my calls 224 00:18:48,500 --> 00:18:54,500 that I need to make over this system and just see you know see see how the experience is. 225 00:18:54,500 --> 00:18:58,500 There is seems like there's a little bit of a delay on Skype but you know I might try out different 226 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:03,500 versions of different companies. Skype by the way as far as I know does not give you an incoming 227 00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:09,500 phone number that's unique but that can only be so far off. I mean it's everyone's going to be 228 00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:15,500 offering the same just going to be how how how cool are your features going to be no call forwarding 229 00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:19,500 and you name it there's there's going to be a lot of stuff going on. And of course you're saying well 230 00:19:20,500 --> 00:19:25,500 you know is this you know I use a cell phone you know that's for me in fact that has always been my 231 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:30,500 only number is my GSM cell phone and that's what everybody reaches me on. Now granted traveling 232 00:19:30,500 --> 00:19:38,500 between two countries I often wind up paying a lot of money a lot of roaming. 233 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:43,000 fees. Probably upwards of a dollar a minute when I call from Belgium to the Netherlands and I also have to pay when there's 234 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Incoming on the roaming. So that's you know, I'm really bad 235 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:53,000 But around 2,000 euros a month, so about $23, $2200. That's a lot of money. 236 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:00,000 But I think that this, as it evolves, I think just as well basically, as Wi-Fi becomes 237 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,000 more free and more available. Let's look into the crystal ball for a second. Hold on a second. 238 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,000 Let's rub the crystal ball and let's talk about the future of Voice Over IP. 239 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:18,000 So, as Wi-Fi becomes more prevalent and available everywhere, and Dave Wein has been traveling through 240 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:26,000 the country. He's noticing that Wi-Fi is really becoming just a commodity, and then I have 241 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:32,000 to agree with him that it will be free. Wi-Fi will be just, which coffee shop you're going to go to, 242 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,000 which library you're going to go to, what restaurant you're going to go to, what lunchroom. 243 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:46,000 go to your choice at a certain point will come down to do they have Wi-Fi or not and they're not going to charge you for it. It's just going to be a part of the deal. There you go. There's Wi-Fi. 244 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:54,000 for being for being our guest. So if we have Wi-Fi really built out everywhere, 245 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,000 then I see no reason why you can't take your your handheld. So let's say it's a pocket PC or 246 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:04,000 or the cell phone manufacturers, I'm sure will do the same thing if they have Wi-Fi built in. 247 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:12,000 gadgets built into a regular phone. I mean, it can be done at your home. Then all you really need is a Wi-Fi connection. 248 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,000 And I think that, you know, beside the car, which, you know, maybe that's the hardest part. 249 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,000 And that's where you have to switch to a regular cell phone technology. 250 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:27,000 I think that, you know, your office buildings and everyone will have this capability. 251 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,000 And maybe you just will just like in a smaller commerce, you know, you see, 252 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000 you may say, hey, we, I don't want to feel like doing business with you. 253 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,000 At least not at your office because you don't have Wi-Fi. My phone won't work. 254 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:42,000 But I think that as it continues to build with enough Wi-Fi, it'll be possible. 255 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:49,000 And the roaming between Wi-Fi day stations, I've found is not, you know, that groovy, certainly not if you're, 256 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,000 it's not going to work very well if you're made conversation. But hey, look, if it comes down to saving 257 00:21:53,000 --> 00:22:00,000 a lot of money and sticking it to the man, I say it can be done. And then of course, as we get further 258 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000 than that, if there's enough Wi-Fi, and I don't really understand how it works yet, but you know, 259 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:08,000 we can start to integrate meshed networks and we can have the... 260 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:15,500 Wi-Fi stations all connect to each other with different WDS I think is the protocols so they 261 00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:20,500 can expand their network and I'll talk to each other and actually could become a new form of 262 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:25,500 internet backbone but oh no the crystal ball is getting cloudy. I'm clearly gone too far. 263 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:35,500 So that was my Skype experience very impressed by VoiceOver IP. Was listening to the latest IT 264 00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:42,500 conversations the Gilmore gang which was from Friday the 3rd and I didn't get until last night. 265 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:47,500 I listened to a bit of it on Saturday I drove up to Abraida about a 20 minute drive, went up to 266 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:51,500 visit a couple of friends on the way back so I heard probably about half of it and listened 267 00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:58,500 to the rest of it last night. As usual it's Steve Gilmore and Doc Surles and I think John Udell 268 00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:05,500 and then there were some analysts who were all talking about Microsoft and Longhorn. 269 00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:08,500 Now I'm going to touch on this for a second because this is 270 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,000 developers and users of party together on source code. 271 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:17,000 I didn't take a lot of effort, but I made a concerted effort to listen to what they were 272 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,000 talking about and try and understand. 273 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:29,000 Just to see if I can boil this down, apparently Microsoft has been promising a new version 274 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,000 of Windows. 275 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,000 This version of Windows is called Longhorn. 276 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,000 Let me just pause there for a second because this is a bad name. 277 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,000 I do not get any happy associations with Longhorn. 278 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,000 In fact, I get an association of one of those pink Cadillacs with the Longhorn on the front 279 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,000 coming to pick me up to take me to some horrible roadshow gig, which I will tell you about 280 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,000 one of these days. 281 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,000 So, to me, I'm eating like Longhorn. 282 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,000 That sounds like something from Texas. 283 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,000 That sounds like George Bush. 284 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,000 I get all kinds of weird associations. 285 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,000 So, Longhorn doesn't work for me. 286 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:06,000 I want something sexy like Tiger Panther. 287 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,000 But this seems to be just about as important for Microsoft as... 288 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:15,500 switch to OS X was for Apple. And there were a couple of things in Longhorn that people 289 00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:19,500 were very excited about, but from what I understand one of the most important ones was 290 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:24,500 this Windows FS, the Windows filing system, which is, and I don't know much about filing 291 00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:29,500 systems other than, you know, you've got a path to a file and somehow you're... 292 00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:35,500 that when you're clicking around and dragging and dropping stuff. 293 00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:41,500 But a sophisticated filing system, we much more would have a, I guess like a database 294 00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:49,500 attached to it with XML so that you can address the file system in a more convenient slash 295 00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:50,500 intelligent manner. 296 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:52,500 Something like that. 297 00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:56,500 And this was, you know, they've delayed this. 298 00:24:56,500 --> 00:25:00,500 Actually they were doing as they're releasing longhorn but not with the sophisticated filing 299 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:01,500 system in there. 300 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:05,500 And they're saying some other longhorn features which weren't supposed to come out until longhorn 301 00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:11,500 comes out, which now they're saying is 2006 are going to be released before then. 302 00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:16,500 So and, you know, some APIs stuff that I guess people were are supposed to be relatively happy 303 00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:17,500 about. 304 00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:18,500 And it was interesting. 305 00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:22,500 If you're on Wall Street or you trade stocks and. 306 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,000 because there's some good points on what this is going to mean to Microsoft long-term, 307 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,000 Microsoft in terms of growth, in terms of value, in terms of cash flow. 308 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000 And I find that interesting to listen to. 309 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,000 And to me, it seems like this is a humongous opportunity for a whole bunch of people to come in 310 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:53,000 and in fact, this is discussed on the show that open source may get some more legs on this, 311 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:58,000 and there's all kinds of reasons for that. But it was kind of fun listening to it and understanding, 312 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,000 really starting to understand what Microsoft's business is and how this is going to work for them 313 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,000 or not. And again, though, I must say that there were a lot of buzzwords being used, 314 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:17,000 you know, players, space, a play. I love that. And you use the word a play as in Google is a search play. 315 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:23,000 So what is source code to kind of play is that. It's probably a bad play. 316 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,000 But there was a lot of talk about developers and I do want to stop at that for- 317 00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:33,500 second because when I hear people especially analysts talk about developers, you know, 318 00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:36,500 and developers will do this, developers will do that. And I've had developers work for me personally. 319 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:43,500 And I didn't know anything about developers and point honestly, I not until the past few months 320 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:48,500 that I really understand why developers are the way they are. I mean, these are like speech writers. 321 00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:54,500 You know how on the West Wing, that once in a while Rob Lowe's character or one of the other people, 322 00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:59,500 they'll write a speech for the president and it'll be a real great, 323 00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:04,500 a nice moment in the episode because there's some real patriotic feelings and what the country 324 00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:10,500 stands for. It's just a really good speech. Well, that's what, you know, so then a speech writer is 325 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:14,500 in his vibe and he's pouring his heart out and putting his heart into his work. And that's the way 326 00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:20,500 developers work best. If you're working on something that you really want to make and you want it to happen, 327 00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:24,500 it's just writing, you know, it's not like you're tinkering with a screwdriver. 328 00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:30,500 language and this language does something and it can emotionally move someone when you 329 00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:34,500 write something, it can make a computer do something, but it's just language and it's writing 330 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:42,500 and I think good writing takes inspiration and you can't overlook that. 331 00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:45,500 Someone has to be really into the project that they're doing otherwise. 332 00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:53,500 It's just never going to be the same as they're something that they're really interested in. 333 00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:57,500 So if you hire developers, try and get ones that are interested in what you're actually 334 00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:58,500 doing. 335 00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:02,500 At the end of the show and I was actually laying in the bathtub last night and my wife was 336 00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:05,500 just walking into the bathroom and I started laughing my head off because at the very end 337 00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:15,500 of the Gilmore gang, Steve Gilmore gave me this humongous plug about the source code and 338 00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:19,500 it was extremely nice and I had really appreciated it. 339 00:28:19,500 --> 00:28:22,500 And there you go. 340 00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:23,500 That was nice. 341 00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:26,500 I've learned you've get credit to take it and shut up. 342 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:32,000 Now let's talk about iPodder for a second. 343 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,000 iPodder has a home. 344 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,000 I created iPodder.org, which I did because 345 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,000 what to be.org because that's what open source 346 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,000 or open whatever seems to be registered under. 347 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,000 And this is totally meant as an open project. 348 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:52,000 I'm going to be real happy to maintain this website, 349 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000 which is part weblog and there are two directories in there, 350 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,000 and one is for downloads. 351 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,000 And whenever if you have a new iPodder script that will work, 352 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,000 you can actually do a submission form under the directory. 353 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,000 And you can send me a URL to .2 and I'm gladly add that. 354 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:14,000 And also I've started a directory of feeds that have regular enclosures coming down the pipeline. 355 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:20,000 And again, if you have a suggestion for that, you can also click on the link. 356 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,000 And so I think now we've got it all official. 357 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,000 iPodder.org. And that's where you can point. 358 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:31,500 to point people to who want to use iPodder. 359 00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:33,500 Have you have any comments about that? 360 00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:36,500 Obviously, just send them to me adamantcurry.com 361 00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:40,500 or comment on the weblog at live.curry.com. 362 00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:47,500 And a while back, I'd also asked all of the source code listeners 363 00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:49,500 where you listen to the source code. 364 00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:53,500 And Steve Garfield made a video of how and where he listens 365 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:55,500 to source code and check this out. 366 00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:58,500 What he's doing is he has a thing is the Iraq, 367 00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:00,500 which is a little FM transmitter, 368 00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:04,500 which you can plug into your into your Mac or any computer. 369 00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:06,500 I think it just uses audio out. 370 00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,500 And you can tune it to an empty frequency 371 00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:10,500 and he's broadcasting that signal throughout his house. 372 00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:13,500 And he showed how he was listening to source code 373 00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:17,500 in his kitchen on a, it looked like a boom box up on the cabinet, 374 00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:20,500 which he probably had to put up on the on the covers 375 00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:25,500 because the antenna or the power was too low of his of his Iraq. 376 00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:28,500 But it's true, this is, and it's wacky. 377 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,000 turned on that radio and hadn't told anyone where the source was coming from. 378 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000 They would have said, oh wow, atoms on the radio. 379 00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:40,500 And that's the kind of magic that I like, you know, the stuff that we're doing at iPod or where 380 00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:45,500 it really seems like your iPod is doing all this stuff and aggregating everything where actually 381 00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:49,500 it isn't it's your computer and we're just connecting all the bits. Which brings me to a thought 382 00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:55,500 that Marcus Mouler, who I've been working with for a long time now, he keeps all my servers running 383 00:30:55,500 --> 00:31:03,500 and developed stuff and he works with me on all kinds of fun-related projects. He lives in Pasadena, 384 00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:08,500 which is great because then he can watch the servers while I'm sleeping in vice versa. 385 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:13,500 And by the way, and Marcus, I know you're listening, please put up a page and send me the 386 00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:19,500 little so I can point to it of the radio user land tool that you made or scripts. I think there's 387 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:27,500 two scripts that are also 100% iPod or fodder. So send a URL to me because I want to add that to the 388 00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:33,500 directory. But he's also working on a concept, which I think is quite interesting. He says, 389 00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:37,500 you know, maybe we could even simply, if I get it right now, Marcus will have to set me straight if not. 390 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:47,000 What if we created a central resource that does the aggregation of feeds and creates 391 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:53,000 basically a list of just extracts the URLs, or you have a filter on it so you can say, 392 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,000 this is where Tivo is getting into the picture and that's why I love it Marcus, I'm totally 393 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000 on to you. 394 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:05,000 So instead of having a relatively dumb aggregator that we call iPodder and just sits there and 395 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:12,000 pulls in these feeds, we could, for any different type of version, you'd have to put new logic 396 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,000 into the iPodder script. 397 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:19,000 We could create a central resource that you can actually address with perhaps an API 398 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,000 or whatever, a web interface as well. 399 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:31,000 We just say, hey, I want all links from Adam Curry and Dave Slusher and IT conversations 400 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,000 for the past three days and it'll just spit back a list of URLs to the content. 401 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,000 And that then could be used through a simplified version of iPodder. 402 00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:45,500 to pull that into your iPod or your MP3 player device. 403 00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:49,500 So I asked him to write that up as well. 404 00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:52,500 Hold on a second, the dog is just going crazy. 405 00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:54,500 Patricia's off to the... 406 00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:56,500 Chrissy! 407 00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:58,500 See, this is our 15 year old maltees 408 00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:00,500 who was three years over life expectancy. 409 00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:03,500 She is deaf and blind. 410 00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,500 She's not dumb. 411 00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:07,500 I'm curious, baby. 412 00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:08,500 Come on, it's okay. 413 00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:10,500 It's okay, baby. 414 00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:11,500 You want to go upstairs? 415 00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:14,500 See, whenever she senses that Patricia's not in the house, 416 00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:16,500 then she kind of starts to freak out 417 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:19,500 and just starts to bark and bark and bark. 418 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:25,500 I take her upstairs and she can walk around there. 419 00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:28,500 I'll give me exactly seven minutes 420 00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:30,500 before she starts barking again. 421 00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:33,500 Okay, let me get back. 422 00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:37,500 Sorry about this little interlude here. 423 00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:40,500 Okay. 424 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000 Let me just swipe the e-book. 425 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000 Okay. 426 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:53,000 And let's see, listen to the recent Dave Slusher, Evil Genius Chronicles. 427 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000 He says he's going to stop mentioning my name. 428 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,000 That's okay. 429 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,000 Dave, I think it's about time we all stop talking about each other and get down the business. 430 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:06,000 Although I do want to make one comment, that as a user, it's very hard for me to explain 431 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:12,000 to a developer when a piece of code is not doing what I expected it to do. 432 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:19,000 Now I've learned that the best bug report is to say, here's what I expected, and here's 433 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000 what happened. 434 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,000 And I know that you didn't really appreciate the fact that I talked about your code on 435 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000 the source code. 436 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,000 But really it's not your code, I think the problem is my code. 437 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,000 It's my Apple script. 438 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,000 But what I'd like, and I'm just going to do a review here. 439 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,000 Okay. 440 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,000 So here's what I expect to happen. 441 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,000 What I expect to happen is when the chron... 442 00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:47,500 your code, get enclosure, a Pearl script. I wanted to bring everything in, put it into 443 00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:54,500 appropriate playlist based upon the channel names in the feed. And it does all that. 444 00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:58,500 I mean, that's exactly what I wanted to do. And that would be the end of it. I love 445 00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:05,500 the caching that you've built in. I love the fact that you sport AACs. That's all fantastic. 446 00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:11,500 What it does instead, and I'll talk about version 2.0, is, first of all, it brings iTunes to 447 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:17,500 the front every single time. And I know you put that in as a safety, but that's really 448 00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:21,500 irritating because if it runs, if the cron job runs while I'm working, then it'll pop 449 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:27,500 it up for every new file it brings in. So I don't want it to do that. And it's creating duplicates. 450 00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:33,500 Sometimes hundreds of duplicates, sometimes only one. And that's in the playlist on iTunes. 451 00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:40,500 If we can fix that, it would be perfect. Everything would be just beautiful. And I love your script. 452 00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:41,500 I'm not using... 453 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,000 using my own, I'm using yours, so I just really want to try and make it better. 454 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:51,000 So what are we at now, 35 minutes? Well, at least we've been reasonably productive. 455 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:56,000 Song of the day, I know we already had Friday on my mind, but I had something else lined 456 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,000 up, which I thought you'd appreciate. I always try to put a little something different on 457 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,000 the source code. This is by a guy called Richard Cheese, and you'll even hear his little promo 458 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:14,000 for Richard Cheese.com in the song. He's basically a Las Vegas performer who does contemporary 459 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:20,000 songs in a less contemporary way, or is that the other way around? Well, just for yourself 460 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,000 and check out Richard Cheese. 461 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,000 We'd like to do a song for you from a band from the 1970s. This is a pretty popular number, 462 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:35,000 one of the most requested songs of all time. It's about a gal who's trying to purchase something. 463 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,000 He's trying to purchase a means of getting from down here up to there. 464 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,000 We have a little mood lighting on this job. Thank you. 465 00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:45,500 Let's see we swing this tonight, huh? 466 00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:46,500 Hit it, baby. 467 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:55,000 I think you'll like this one. 468 00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:53,750 [ Music ] 469 00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:59,500 It's just a sprinkling for the me, wait 470 00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:04,500 Yes, there are two paths you can go by but in the long run 471 00:38:06,250 --> 00:39:26,250 [ Music ] 472 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:40,500 And she's buying a stairway! 473 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,000 Thank you. 474 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,000 Richard Chees. 475 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:57,000 Yeah, Stairway to Heaven, I strongly suggest you check out RichardChees.com. 476 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,000 He does a lot of these entertaining to say the least. 477 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,000 And that's it for Source Code for today, September 6, 2004. 478 00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:12,500 those adamant curry dot com and my web log we can do the comment is live dot curry dot com 479 00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:17,500 and of course we have daily source code dot com we can check out all the archives of 480 00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:23,500 the show and also subscribe to it if you're using iPodder as daily source code dot com slash 481 00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:29,500 rss dot xml and that's it for today we'll be back tomorrow with another edition of the source 482 00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:30,500 code take care everybody 483 00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:36,500 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 484 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000 I'm sorry, I'm sorry.