1 00:00:01,500 --> 00:00:15,500 Hi everybody, welcome to the Source Code. I'm Adam Curry and good evening from 2 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,000 It's 9.30 p.m. on, what are we at? 3 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Tuesday already, the 14th of September, 2004. 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Of course, I want to welcome you if you're downloading this from live.curry.com. 5 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:36,000 You might be subscribing, you can find all the archives and of course ways to subscribe 6 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000 or just download Daily from DailySourceCode.com. 7 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,000 This is the place where you use this. 8 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,000 and had a lot of 9 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,000 yesterday. First of all, what I want to get to is I'm going to let you hear a little excerpt 10 00:00:53,000 --> 00:01:00,000 from a special morning coffee notes that Dave Weiner did in Seattle probably, well, depending 11 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:05,000 on your viewpoint, even way after his morning coffee or only five or six hours before his 12 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:10,000 next morning coffee. And this was about what we were talking yesterday, where I was wondering 13 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:17,000 what all this geeky stuff is I'm hearing about ways to mount Gmail as a file system, 14 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:22,000 use Gmail as an interface for a web blog, you know, you mail something to your Gmail account. 15 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,000 And my question was, is Gmail doing something special? 16 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 There's some special APIs that I don't know about, 17 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,000 or what's going on? 18 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,000 It turns out, and Dave's going to explain this, 19 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,000 and I want to let you hear a good portion of how we responded, 20 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,000 which was great, because I don't think I could have 21 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,000 understood it if it was just written, 22 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,000 is that there really is no special API. 23 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,000 In fact, it's using stuff that's been around for a long, 24 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,000 long time, only apparently it's never really been 25 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,000 interesting enough to use a free service until Gmail came 26 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,000 along, which means there's a whole gigabyte. 27 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 And with a gigabyte, arguably, that's 28 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,000 something you want to use as a resource, 29 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,000 but not necessarily for email. 30 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,000 You could use it to serve files from or create a web log. 31 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,000 So Dave actually gave a little explanation 32 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,000 about the APIs and how it works and what Google is 33 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,000 or isn't doing, but what developers are doing. 34 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,000 So check this out. 35 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,000 I just wanted to comment on one. 36 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:31,500 One of the things that Adam talked about is that Gmail and whether there were more APIs 37 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:34,500 in there or not. 38 00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:40,500 What's really cool about what's going on with Gmail is that email is an API. 39 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:43,500 It's a very simple one. 40 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:45,500 It allows you to... 41 00:02:45,500 --> 00:02:53,500 It's basically a flat directory of documents with enclosures. 42 00:02:53,500 --> 00:03:00,500 The body of the message and the title of the message can serve as metadata. 43 00:03:00,500 --> 00:03:07,500 So can the sender of the message could be thought of as the creator of the document. 44 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:10,500 Unix has a driver structure. 45 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:20,500 On the one hand, email either simply or pop is a good API. 46 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:26,500 Unix has an API for the file system and in fact, so does Windows. 47 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:49,000 And it allows you to put in drivers that basically do for the operating system the basic operations of creating a file, deleting a file, adding some text to the file, reading some text from a file or data from a file. 48 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:54,000 And there are a few more operations, but not that many. 49 00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Also operations that change the metadata, the data associated with files, the creation date, modification date. 50 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,000 And the Macintosh you have a resource for. 51 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:12,000 I'm not sure if they have that anymore actually with OS 10 being a unit file system. 52 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:21,000 So in any case, Google didn't do anything new. They just supported an existing API that's very broadly understood and it's called Electronic Mail. 53 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:27,000 And that's the beauty of these formats and protocols. 54 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,000 They make. 55 00:04:28,500 --> 00:04:34,500 both kinds of things possible. And the lowest common denominator, I mean Adam, you would 56 00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:43,500 absolutely, I think you would love, you know, how simple these protocols are. They are, 57 00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:46,500 they're all texts for us. 58 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:50,500 My thanks to, my thanks to Dave Weiner for explaining that. And of course I did look 59 00:04:50,500 --> 00:04:52,500 into the world. I'm pretty sure. 60 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:58,500 having seen it before on the Unix command line. 61 00:04:58,500 --> 00:05:00,500 And now I understand exactly what they're doing. 62 00:05:00,500 --> 00:05:04,500 And that's why my conclusion is that it's really this one 63 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:08,500 gigabyte of free disk space that people are building 64 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:10,500 applications around. 65 00:05:10,500 --> 00:05:11,500 That could be interesting to see where that takes us with 66 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:12,500 Google in the future. 67 00:05:12,500 --> 00:05:17,500 And also it kind of blew my mind that here we are creating 68 00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:19,500 technology or implementing technology. 69 00:05:19,500 --> 00:05:21,500 And we're basically doing the same thing over and over and 70 00:05:21,500 --> 00:05:22,500 over again. 71 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:27,500 It's email or whether it's an iTunes, the way we're using 72 00:05:27,500 --> 00:05:31,500 it now with iPodder to look for new stuff that has arrived. 73 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:34,500 Or even a weblog. 74 00:05:34,500 --> 00:05:36,500 It's all kind of the basic structure. 75 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:38,500 And now I'm also starting to understand outliners a little 76 00:05:38,500 --> 00:05:41,500 bit better, at least what they can be used for and how 77 00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:43,500 fantastic they really are. 78 00:05:43,500 --> 00:05:45,500 Couple of other things I want to talk about. 79 00:05:45,500 --> 00:05:48,500 And I will talk more about some technology stuff based 80 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:51,500 upon things that have been flying back and forth on the 81 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:51,500 iPod. 82 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,000 But today, as I check my download directory, 83 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:03,000 I have on a server, I have a small program called Nucleus. 84 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,000 And you can just Google it. 85 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,000 You'll Google it with my name, and you'll find a link to it. 86 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,000 And Nucleus is a little Python script that runs. 87 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,000 I have it running on OS X server, which is sitting 88 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,000 at my data center. 89 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:21,000 And it pulls an RSS feed from Supernova, 90 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 which has bit torrents. 91 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,000 And if it finds anything that matches a number of keywords 92 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,000 that I've put in there, it'll automatically download the bit 93 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,000 torrent file and then start up the download of the actual file. 94 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,000 And it'll, it notifies me of something new has come in. 95 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:43,000 And I have keywords in it like David Letterman, Leno. 96 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 I think I've discussed this before. 97 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Had all kinds of different keywords, some MTV stuff 98 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,000 like Pimp for Pimp My Ride. 99 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,000 That also picks up some interesting other torrents. 100 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 And I have Michael Moore. 101 00:06:55,500 --> 00:06:59,500 in there as a keyword because I'm always interested in seeing what he has to say and he's been 102 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:05,500 on different talk shows. And what that did for me is, lo and behold, I wound up this 103 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:12,500 morning with a full Divix copy of Fahrenheit 9-11, which I hadn't seen yet. So I spent 104 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:18,500 some time watching that today. And now I've heard all different kinds of reviews and 105 00:07:18,500 --> 00:07:22,500 different thoughts about this. First of all, I was a little disappointed. I thought 106 00:07:22,500 --> 00:07:26,500 I was, you know, this is going to be some amazing editing job. And, you know, 107 00:07:26,500 --> 00:07:31,500 anyone could have done this on Final Cut Pro and most of it was existing 108 00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:37,500 footage. What I don't like, although I think, you know, it's great when you see 109 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:40,500 the footage that never airs, you know, when people are being made up, when 110 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:43,500 people are getting ready for camera to go on, particularly people that you only 111 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:48,500 see when the camera goes on. I love all that footage, which is also just 112 00:07:48,500 --> 00:07:54,500 obtained from newsreels, news footage. I hate it, though, when, you know, there's 113 00:07:54,500 --> 00:07:56,500 all this manipulation of... 114 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:06,000 It's editing all different types of sound bites and bits together for effect with music 115 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,000 that is either dramatic. 116 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,000 You know don't really need I just didn't need that part 117 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,000 Yeah, that that was the part of the end like a little bit of entertainment show that I 118 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:25,000 credited what Michael Moore is trying to do with this documentary. Just as a minor example, 119 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:33,000 is when he talks about the coalition of the willing, which is the United States preparing 120 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,000 to go into Iraq and we have a coalition of foreign countries that are going to help 121 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:43,000 us out. And then it's like one after another, it's like Morocco and all these countries 122 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:50,000 that's made out not to matter. And the Netherlands also passes by. And when they're talking about 123 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,000 the Netherlands in the movie, you see not a soldier, but you see someone just leaning forward, 124 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:01,000 lighting up a hash pipe. And you know, which is funny because I understand what's trying 125 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:08,000 to be said there. However, having visited with the Dutch Marines in Asimallah in Iraq, 126 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:16,000 having lived with them for 10 days, doing a live broadcast, it felt a little shitty because 127 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,000 I know those guys were there doing what they were doing. 128 00:09:19,500 --> 00:09:21,500 were asked to do and they were very serious about their part of 129 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:30,000 contributing to rebuilding Iraq and this to me certainly having been there I 130 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,000 found a little bit demoralizing and it immediately gave me the feeling that you 131 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:39,000 know like hey even you know talking as a as a even though I have a US passport for 132 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,000 a second talking as a European like you know fuck you Michael Moore you know 133 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,000 we're two guys two of our guys died there and you know no one wrote about 134 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:53,000 that in the American press you know we're not just a bunch of hash smoking 135 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:58,000 hippies you know we're pretty serious no way man I am a hash smoking hippie 136 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,000 anyway so I want to play a little bit I think this is probably the most important 137 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,000 bit from this from this movie if you haven't seen it it'll just be a quick 138 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:14,000 refresher where 9-11 has happened and everyone knows that Osama bin Laden has 139 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:19,000 claimed this we have to go after Osama bin Laden he's in Afghanistan we send 11,000 140 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,000 troops which turns out to be less than our police officers in Manhattan 141 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:32,500 And this is when the switch comes, when all of a sudden the administration started talking about Iraq and we got to go to Iraq and Iraq. 142 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:38,500 I'll just stop this after a certain point. 143 00:10:38,500 --> 00:10:40,500 I don't want to play too much of it. 144 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:43,500 But this starts off with Richard Clark. 145 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:47,500 He's on, I guess, Good Morning America, and Charlie Gibbons is interviewing him. 146 00:10:47,500 --> 00:10:48,500 And I'll let it play from there. 147 00:10:48,500 --> 00:10:54,500 Just so you can hear, this is the moment where the administration switched and where all 148 00:10:54,500 --> 00:10:59,500 the bullshit started as far as I'm concerned for us to invade Iraq. 149 00:10:59,500 --> 00:11:05,500 You come in September 12, ready to plot what response we take to al-Qaeda. 150 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:08,500 Let me talk to the, about the response that you got from top administration 151 00:11:08,500 --> 00:11:10,500 officials on that day. 152 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:12,500 What did the president say to you? 153 00:11:12,500 --> 00:11:17,500 The president in a very intimidating way left us, me and my staff, with the clear 154 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:21,500 indication that he wanted us to come back with a word that there was an Iraqi hand 155 00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:25,500 behind 9-11 because they had been planning to do something about Iraq from 156 00:11:25,500 --> 00:11:27,500 before the time they came into office. 157 00:11:27,500 --> 00:11:29,500 Did he ask about any other nations other than Iraq? 158 00:11:29,500 --> 00:11:29,500 No, no, no. 159 00:11:29,500 --> 00:11:30,500 No, not at all. 160 00:11:30,500 --> 00:11:33,500 It was Iraq, Saddam, find out, get back to me. 161 00:11:33,500 --> 00:11:36,500 And were his questions more about Iraq than about al-Qaeda? 162 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:37,500 Absolutely, absolutely. 163 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:38,500 He didn't ask me about it. 164 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,000 And the reaction you got that day from the Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, from his 165 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,000 assistant, Paul Woltholst. 166 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Well, Donald Rumsfeld said when we talked about bombing the Al Qaeda infrastructure in Afghanistan, 167 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,000 he said there were no good targets in Afghanistan. 168 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Let's bomb Iraq. 169 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,000 And we said, but Iraq had nothing to do with this. 170 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,000 And that didn't seem to make much difference. 171 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,000 And the reason they had to do Afghanistan first was it was obvious that Al Qaeda had 172 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,000 attacked us. 173 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,000 And it was obvious that Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan. 174 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,000 The American people wouldn't have stood by if we had done nothing on Afghanistan. 175 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,000 OK, so here's one of those bits that I said that I really disliked where they're doing 176 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,000 a whole Bonanza montage, although very funny. 177 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Let me just stop that, although very funny, totally unnecessary. 178 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:28,000 You know, just make a documentary and let the funny bits be the irony of the subjects 179 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,000 of the documentary themselves. 180 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,000 That's the way I think it should be. 181 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Anyway, moving along. 182 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,000 It was kind of depressing actually to watch that. 183 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,000 But Patricia came home, she was in Amsterdam. 184 00:12:40,500 --> 00:12:44,500 preparing for a big fashion show this coming Sunday she's designed all the 185 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:46,500 makeup for the models and 186 00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:49,500 and she said man you're really quiet and I have actually told her that I have it all 187 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:51,500 queued up and loaded on the 188 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:55,500 on the show server play out system on the big screen in the living room if she 189 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:59,500 wants to watch it because it did bump me on a little bit 190 00:12:59,500 --> 00:13:04,500 uh... let's see from the mail bag I got a nice email from Doug Kay he's running 191 00:13:04,500 --> 00:13:05,500 IT conversation 192 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Actually, I'm going to go to the site right now. 193 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Yesterday, I was complaining that I couldn't get my fix of the Gilmore Gang and actually 194 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,000 started tweaking my aggregator thinking that was the problem. 195 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:27,000 He sent a Mia Culpa email saying there wasn't a Gilmore Gang. 196 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,000 He should have posted a note and he was going to do it ASAP and I'm just checking the 197 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,000 site now and there's no note still. 198 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,000 But that's what happened. 199 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Hopefully Gilmore Gang will be back this coming Friday. 200 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:45,000 I look forward to it because it is one of my favorite programs that I got on the iPod. 201 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Now I started up the mailing list for the iPod developers which of course is 202 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,000 anything but exclusively for developers. 203 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,000 of introductions. 204 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,000 and I have a link to the email list. 205 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Anyone can join, please feel free to. 206 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,000 It's great to see all these different developers 207 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,000 and users talking to each other. 208 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,000 They've all got different ideas, functionality, 209 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,000 things that they're changing code. 210 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,000 For instance, I'll just read one of these emails, 211 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,000 quickly just the introduction. 212 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,000 My name's Jonathan Green, while I'm not a developer, 213 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,000 I'm an active user and thought out track 214 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,000 what's going on with developments in iPodder. 215 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,000 And the first thing he says, 216 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,000 this is great as a user. 217 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,000 He says, you know, still there's, you know, 218 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,000 there's a lot of trouble with setting up 219 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,000 the schedule of iPodder so that it runs automatically. 220 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,000 And this is indeed, and there's been a couple more releases 221 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,000 of stuff, this is still not completely done. 222 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,000 I think that what I'd like, just speaking 223 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,000 from a Mac user perspective, is just giving one 224 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,000 of those disc images that opens up, you know, 225 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,000 so it looks like I'm installing something serious. 226 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,000 I don't want to know about script. 227 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:54,500 And this should be maybe just an Apple script. 228 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:55,500 And you double click on that. 229 00:14:55,500 --> 00:14:57,500 It stalls everything. 230 00:14:57,500 --> 00:15:03,500 You could make it call a crontab command line call 231 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:05,500 and add a line to it. 232 00:15:05,500 --> 00:15:07,500 It should be relatively simple. 233 00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:10,500 And that's really what the users are looking for. 234 00:15:10,500 --> 00:15:11,500 I just want to put it in. 235 00:15:11,500 --> 00:15:14,500 I want to be able to forget about it. 236 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:14,500 Let's see. 237 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:21,500 We got another email here from Pete who wrote Renko. 238 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:26,500 Another enclosure extractor. 239 00:15:26,500 --> 00:15:29,500 Why don't I have this email here? 240 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:32,500 Now, he's more a developer also talking about cront jobs 241 00:15:32,500 --> 00:15:34,500 and how do we get stuff set up. 242 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:38,500 And he was thinking, why don't we connect it to the iCal? 243 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:40,500 I think that the iPodder is something 244 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:43,500 that we want no glory on this. 245 00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:45,500 We just want to install and run and for people 246 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:47,500 to forget about it. 247 00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:48,500 There's this. 248 00:15:48,500 --> 00:15:50,500 Anything else would be too much. 249 00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:54,500 And you can add features to it and do all kinds. 250 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,000 of stuff but I think it has to be kept as simple as possible. 251 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:08,000 And the another interesting email that came through on the list is from Martin Fenroy. 252 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:17,000 He is a part of the iSpider team and iSpider is a Python version of iPodder and they've 253 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,000 got it set up at SourceForge. 254 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:26,000 So the URL is iSpider.SourceForge.net and they've got a great homepage, they've got a logo, they've 255 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000 got it all set up. 256 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:34,000 And I actually ran this version and although it hasn't installed script which installs everything 257 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:40,000 in the right place on Mac, you know, just give me please guys give me an Apple script to 258 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,000 double click on. 259 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:46,000 They've got some really cool additional features in this which are cool features though I 260 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,000 don't know if I necessarily agree with them. 261 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:54,000 First of all it's very elegant in the way it sets everything up and the way it moves stuff 262 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,000 over to iPodder. 263 00:16:55,500 --> 00:17:02,500 It also runs on multiple platforms and by the time you're listening to this it should 264 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:04,500 also do Windows Media Play. 265 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:11,000 it works with iTunes and with Windows Media Player and since it's Python it's cross-platform. 266 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,000 But it does something else. It also has a screen scraper in there. This I thought was, at first 267 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:23,000 I thought it was really cool because you can add a URL to an RSS 2.0 file with enclosures 268 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:29,000 and it'll grab everything from that and place it accordingly in the playlist. Or you can 269 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:35,000 just give it a URL and it'll scrape the HTML code and any MP3 file it encounters it'll 270 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:44,000 download. And it's funny because I tried it out. I tried it out on, you know, I wanted to do something that would only have one or two files on it of not very large size. 271 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:53,000 And so I did scripting.com because I knew that Dave had his morning coffee notes, just a four minute version on there, which I let you hit a little excerpt earlier. 272 00:17:53,000 --> 00:18:01,000 But what it also did is it came across a link to SourceForge from yesterday and said, oh, you know, here's an MP3 file. 273 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:06,000 So it brought that one in as well, which could be a little bit confusing. 274 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:13,500 Particularly on which playlist it has to go to, although in that particular case everything worked out fine. 275 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:18,500 But it's an excellent version of iPodder and I see a lot happening with that. 276 00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:24,500 So iSpider.sourceforgedor.net and I'll also be adding that to the download directory. 277 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:27,500 Okay, so much for the mailing list. 278 00:18:27,500 --> 00:18:31,500 See, ran across, oh this was actually because of iSpider. 279 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:39,500 They had a couple additional feeds in their, what they're calling the favorites list, 280 00:18:39,500 --> 00:18:43,500 which is basically the subscriptions that you download. 281 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:52,000 And one of the sites which doesn't have an RSS 2.0 feed but does have a daily audio blog 282 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:57,000 is called Lenswork.com, L-E-N-S as in camera lens. 283 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:02,000 And it's a guy named Brooke Johnson who sells his photography and he has some beautiful 284 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,000 pictures. 285 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,000 But what he's doing in addition to that is he's maintaining a web blog and he's kind 286 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:13,000 of helping people out by talking along with different tips on photography, which 287 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:20,000 I think is a great way to, you know, to, I think it's, it's really, it's a good 288 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:25,000 addition to what he's trying to get across this message with his photography 289 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,000 and the fact that he wants you to pay like $99 for a print. 290 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,000 And here's one of these blog posts. 291 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,000 I'll just let you hear a little bit of it. 292 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:38,000 I also think he has a great voice for this and the quality is just good. 293 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,000 I think it's something that is worth looking at. 294 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,000 This is an audio blog post titled Toys or Tools. 295 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,000 One of the consumers. 296 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:52,500 The most consistent themes that's come up in my recent conversations with photographers about their equipment choices 297 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:58,500 is the challenge that they have in taking digital photography seriously. 298 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:05,500 Admittedly, because of my personal history in photography, a lot of my friends are large format photographers. 299 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:08,500 They're shooting 4x5s and 8x10 cameras. 300 00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:12,500 And these are cameras that it's pretty easy to take seriously. 301 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:17,500 They're expensive, there's a lot of gadgets that have to be employed in order to use them successfully. 302 00:20:17,500 --> 00:20:20,500 It's expensive to shoot sheet film, etc. 303 00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:27,500 And somehow when these people pick up a digital camera, it just feels like a toy to them. 304 00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:34,500 Everything is automatic, focus is automatic, exposure is automatic, bracketing is automatic. 305 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:38,500 There's no film costs. They don't have to develop the film when they get home. 306 00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:41,500 It just doesn't feel like a serious tool. 307 00:20:41,500 --> 00:20:47,500 But yet, those people who are using these tools in a serious way are realizing that... 308 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000 that they can do some very nice photographs 309 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,000 and some really interesting artwork. 310 00:20:54,000 --> 00:21:00,000 That leads me to think that when it comes to tools, it's not the nature of the tool 311 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,000 that determines whether or not it's a serious tool. 312 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,000 It's the nature of the photographer's mind. 313 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:12,000 If we approach the use of a tool in a serious way, if we approach it with a certain amount 314 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:21,000 of creativity, reverence, respect for what it can do, then it can be a serious tool. 315 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:27,000 But if you insist that a toy is merely a toy and you don't approach it carefully 316 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:35,000 and thoughtfully and deliberately, then a toy will be a toy and the results will be likewise. 317 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:42,000 So that's something that all, everyone who works at a big co-publisher or media company 318 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:47,000 should listen to that at least twice a day. 319 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Because yeah, it's about the effort you put into these toys, but we're doing a lot of cool stuff. 320 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,000 We've got web logs for publishing, we've got desks. 321 00:21:55,500 --> 00:22:00,500 top publishing. We've got Final Cut Pro for video, we've got all types of different software 322 00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:04,500 packages for audio, although not quite the one I'm looking for yet, but we're getting 323 00:22:04,500 --> 00:22:08,500 there. That's Brooks Jensen. You can check out a new audio blog post. Looks like he's 324 00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:13,500 doing them every single day at LensWork.com. Just a couple more things and I have a song 325 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:17,500 of the day for you. Still working on this new show that I want to launch. 326 00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:22,500 this week or certainly beginning of next week for sure. 327 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:26,500 On the technology front, remember now what I want to do is I want to connect other people 328 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:31,500 over voice over IP so that I can have a conversation with them. 329 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:34,500 Very much like the Gilmore Gang I guess, only, you know, talk about different things and 330 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:37,500 maybe only start off with one co-host. 331 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:42,500 But I don't want to have to resort to using a telephone and patching that into my computer. 332 00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:45,500 I should just be able to bring in a voice over IP call. 333 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:52,500 That works only what I'm trying to figure out now is how do I route audio both to 334 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:59,500 the recording side of recording a session on my laptop, excuse me, and also to the 335 00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:04,500 voice over IP client and I think I'm going to use iChat AV. 336 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:09,500 I figured out that because for some miraculous reason Macintosh has something 337 00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:13,500 called core audio which you can do all kinds of interesting things with and 338 00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:17,500 there are a couple different programs I found we can actually patch the output 339 00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:20,500 of one application to the input of another application. 340 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:27,000 But it doesn't really work with, for instance, quick time, because that doesn't have a preference 341 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,000 setting for choosing the core audio drive or, you know, I'm probably digressing way too 342 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,000 far on this. 343 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,000 But I'm getting close, because, you know, the final thing is if I play a clip, I want 344 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:41,000 the person on the other end or persons on the other end of the voiceover IP call, I 345 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,000 want them to be able to hear what I'm sending down the pipe or, you know, what's being 346 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,000 recorded. 347 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,000 I actually got pretty far. 348 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:52,000 I was able to patch everything together, but then wiretap, which I'm using as the 349 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,000 recording device for all the audio, fails to work when you're patching audio through 350 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,000 with different applications. 351 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,000 So there's some conflict there. 352 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,000 So I'm still working on that. 353 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,000 But hopefully I'll be able to get something up and running within the next 354 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,000 couple of days. 355 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:15,000 And the song that I found, I can't remember if I found this on BlogDigger or 356 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,000 how I came about it. 357 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,000 But it's a typical, you know, internet kind of spoofie, funny song. 358 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,000 And it's a song of the time. 359 00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:25,500 and I think you'll like it. It's called my JPEG baby. 360 00:24:28,750 --> 00:27:13,750 [ Music ] 361 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:27,000 and that's it for the source code for today as always if you want to leave a comment do 362 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,000 that on the web blog at curry.com or send me an email. 363 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:39,500 And you can subscribe to the show by going to dailysourcecode.com where you can find all the archives 364 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,000 The power of your influence.