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This is the Daily Source Code, and now here's Adam Curry.

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Hey, well, good afternoon everybody. A brand new opening for the show, this listener-supported

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show where users and developers party together at your Daily Source Code, thanks to Howard

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Greensteen, Howard from New York, who's also requested that I play some Barry Corral on

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the show, which I'll certainly do once I can find my exclusive live recording

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over. So, welcome to the Source Code for Monday. Today is the 27th of September 2004.

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It's quarter to four in the afternoon, coming to you from Flanders, Belgium,

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from Curry Castle, and we have a lot to talk about today. So much has happened

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over the weekend and it was several times I was just itching to jump

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behind the machine and come on in, huh? It's okay, I'm recording. Alright? Yeah. I just

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wanted to jump behind the machine and cut a Source Code, but I really, you know,

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there was just so much else going on, and Christina, who just walked into the

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bar slash studio area, who has the day off today from school, she won bronze

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medal with her, that was the national championships with her dressage, horse

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riding team. Congratulations, Christina. She's very talkative today. Thank you. So, I

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did have a couple chats with different people over the weekend. Let's see, with

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Steve Gilmore, that was a Skype chat. I've spoke to Dave Weiner a couple of

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times, and I've had lots of email conversation with people, because

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stuff was just happening over the weekend. It was amazing. Things are

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going so quickly. And the first thing I wanted to play for you today was, and

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I don't think I played this on Friday. If I did, I apologize. But remember Dr. Dave

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from Las Vegas gave me all the tips and pointers on how to record the daily

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Source Code at the equal or close to equal quality of sound, but with half

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the file size. And as you probably noticed from Friday's Source Code, the

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file was indeed about half the file size. And I think the audio was still

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reasonably good. So props go out to Dr. Dave. There was a couple of

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discrepancies, and I thought I caught it, and I thought that I also thought,

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well, maybe he's confusing bits with Hertz and whatever. But Doug Kay, who is

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the producer of ITConversations.com, the whole outfit is his as far as I

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know. By the way, Mia Culpa, during the first or second trade secrets, I

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said that I didn't think that Doug Kay was a streaming guy, and he sent me a

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very friendly email explaining exactly how much of a streaming guy he is. So I

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stand corrected big time. And of course, he's hosting all the ITConversations

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and he's also, he's in with us here, and on the loop on the iPod

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platform, and he's a content producer. It's great. And he has a lot of

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experience with file sizes and recordings, and he came back with

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the response, which is an audio, that's very nice, to Dr. Dave. So without

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further ado, here's Doug Kay with more tips on how to reduce your file size.

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Hello, Adam and listeners to the Daily Source Code. This is Doug Kay, the

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host and producer of ITConversations. And I just wanted to respond to

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something you broadcast in your show on Friday. It was a clip from Dr. Dave

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of Las Vegas, and Dr. Dave was trying to answer the question about

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what bit rates to use. And unfortunately, he made a fairly significant

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error. He said, for example, that a 32K bit rate was totally adequate

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for voice that it reproduced 16 kilohertz audio that it was as good

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as FM. And that's not the case. Dr. Dave is confusing a couple of

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different technological issues. He's confusing the bit rate of the

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MP3 audio with the sample rate. The sample rate is controlled by

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something called the sub nyquist theorem. The sub nyquist theorem

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says that if you want to sample analog data and reproduce it

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accurately, that you must sample at twice the highest frequency

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you want to reproduce. So for example, if you want to reproduce

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16 kilohertz audio, you need to have 32,000 samples per second. Now

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in WAV file format, which is a lossless format, those are

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typically 16 bit samples or two byte samples. So sampling at

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32,000 samples per second is actually 64,000 bytes per

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second, which is in fact 512,000 bits per second. So that's the

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sample rate, but it has relatively little to do with the bit

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rate of the MP3 encoder MP3 is a lossy compression technique

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similar to JPEG. We're going to throw away a lot of data when

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we get these compression ratios of 2030 40 to one and so forth.

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equivalent of FM. It's arguable. I think that a 64K MP3

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doesn't sound quite as good as good FM. I think a 96K bit per

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second MP3 is closer to a good FM signal, but that depends on the

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program material. Here's a brief history of the MP3 encoding

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rates we've used here at IT Conversations. When I started

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a year and a half ago, I encoded everything at 32K bits per

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second. The quality wasn't good, but I still got a number of

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complaints that the files were too big. The reason was that

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the MP3 players in those days could not take very large

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files. Over time things have changed quite quickly. Until

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recently we encoded everything at 48K bits per second. We got

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very few complaints. But now people who have MP3 players that

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have quite a bit more storage, such as a 40 gigabyte iPod, are

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asking us to use higher quality bit rates. They don't mind the

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larger files. So just within the past week, I've started

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encoding our files at 64K bits per second. That results in

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about 30 megabytes for one hour of audio. And that's my

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current recommendation for what people should be using for

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audio blogs, daily source code and the like. By the way, it's

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also not true that you need a higher bit rate for music than

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for voice. The waveform of human voice is very, very

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complex. And in fact, you will hear distortion in the

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human voice before you can detect it in most music. The

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reason being that you may not know how to predict the

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waveform in music, whereas with voice, if you know the

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person, you have certain expectations of what their

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voice will sound like. Another question that comes up is

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for stereo? Or are stereo files twice as large as

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mono files? In wave files, they are twice as large

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because it is a lossless format. But in MP3, one of the

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things that you're encoding is the difference between the

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left and right channels. So for example, if you're

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recording voice from a single microphone, it really

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doesn't matter whether you use a stereo MP3 at 64K or a

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mono MP3 at 64K bits per second because they'll be

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essentially the same. The only time that it really

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matters is when you have program material where the

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left and right channels are substantially different. As

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to the question of VBR or variable bit rate, this

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is a technique that does allow the MP3 to vary the

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bit rate from one frame to the next, but it's not

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supported by certain players. So I do not recommend

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recording VBR for audio blogs and the like. There's

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really nothing to gain. Anyway, if you have any

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questions, send me email dug at itconversations.com

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or you might want to check out a wiki page that I just

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posted to deal with this topic. Go to www.itconversations.com

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slash wiki, W-I-K-I. And somewhere there, you'll find

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a link to the page that deals with MP3 encoders

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and file formats and things like that. I hope this

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has been helpful. Keep up your great work on the

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daily source code. So far, I haven't missed a single

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show and I hope not to. Thanks. Alrighty, thank you

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very much. Doug Kay from itconversations.com. Wow,

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that was some excellent, excellent source code he

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dumped on us. Indeed, after listening to Dr.

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Dave from Vegas and the response from Doug Kay,

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I did get my file size down to about half and

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I am running also about 15 megs per half hour,

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so about 30 megs for an hour. And there was

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some mail that came in. Hold on a second, I'm

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going to switch applications here. Now, we've had

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bad luck with that in the past. It's working out.

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From Eric Elliott, I just want to share that

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with you. He said, I had a chance to catch up

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listening to you this past week's daily source

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code, also trade secret show with Dave.

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on trade secrets is about the AAC audio format.

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He says, now I certainly don't have any arguments

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against using MP3 and that would be my choice

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too since it's the most widely universally

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accepted format right now, but I wanted to

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clear up a misconception about AAC. AAC is

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not Apple's proprietary format. It's a

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standard that was basically developed by the

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MPEG group as the successor to MP3. It is

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actually the audio component to MPEG-4

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video. However, what is proprietary is the

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fair play DRM, that's digital rights

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management, that Apple has put on top of

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AAC in the iTunes music store. The reason

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that the iTunes purchase from

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iTunes music store only work on iTunes and

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the iPod is because the DRM, not AAC, but

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a non-fair play AAC will play on a

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variety of players. Just wanted to clear

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that up. That's Eric Elliott. Thank you

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very much Eric and he also posts a link

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Apple.com slash MPEG-4 slash AAC for

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some more information on that. Excellent.

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MP3, but I'd like to hear a little bit more

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if people have more information. You know,

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this is a format that is just as, I don't

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know if it's just, if it can be just as

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open as MP3. Who controls MP3? No one.

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Is there a standards body or something? I

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don't think so. Well, there probably is

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and I'm sure by now people will already

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be hacking away the email. Set me straight.

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probably inviting Murphy in, but I just

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wanted to take a screenshot of my setup

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lined up for today because I don't have

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with notes and now I just have all of my

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my different sound clips and I have quite

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quite a few all set up and ready to fire

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the weekend. Just as I was, you know,

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about to give up on the Rubik's Cube

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of how we can route audio back and forth

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particularly like a radio station does

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where you call into a show, in this

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case the call in is through iChat or

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AOL Intim Messenger or Skype or

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SIP phone and we hear you on the air

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and we can control your volume, turn

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you on or off, but you also hear

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everything we're doing on the air

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minus your voice. So you can't be

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sending back a total signal because

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now and I ran across actually through

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will work and that's H-U-G-O-S-C-H-O-T-M-A-N

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dot com and Hugo had been

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he posted this whole bit on his blog

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about how he'd been listening to me

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trying to figure it out and check out

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the trade secrets and he came up

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with a proof of concept and he

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there that he had also run into the

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echo problem, but it turns out he

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didn't and he had indeed found the

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perfect setup and posted a diagram

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and it was beautiful. Now I had

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audio device a while ago in the

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beginning of my quest to figure out

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the perfect setup and just around

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when you know he's doing this

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setup all of a sudden things start

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gear and the Soundflower

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virtual device

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it's open source

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it's freely available so please check out

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Hugo's weblog it is

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phenomenal I'm so

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pleased that we have someone who's

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all over this and is helping us

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set it up. Now granted this is all still on a

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Mac and actually when I did a test call

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with Dave he was crying saying you know

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I want to play music too

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I was jamming tunes down the pipe too

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and it was great

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so we will keep working

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at it. Let me see

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actually I just got back

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from a quick trip up to Breda

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it's about 30 minutes from our house

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by car that's in the Netherlands

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where coffee shops are legal I had to

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go get a new supply

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I have actually the harvest that I had

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here at home for those of you following

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I have tried it it's

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okay but it's saying because

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it's all totally organic and I didn't

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really use anything

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special on it you got to smoke an awful

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lot before it has

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the desired effect so anyways

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I went up to get a little supply these guys

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that run the coffee shop from Morocco so

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they're all Arabs

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and I know them really well and we hang

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out and we drink

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Chinese tea, Moroccan tea

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which is basically Chinese tea with mint leaves

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and a ton of sugar in there

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and so we're just chilling out and we're

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talking and he was reading a Moroccan

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newspaper and it was a picture of Bush

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and Kerry on the front page

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and we got to talking

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and it was just

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I think what we concluded and it would have really made for

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a good podcast

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although it was in

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like four different languages it was

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in Morocco besides

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Arabic they also speak French

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so it was French it was Dutch

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it was English it was

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some Arabic words

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some general high Arabic

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which is generally

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understood and so

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I think what we

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concluded was that

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all politicians

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everyone in government is

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they're all in it for the money

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most of them are in it for the money

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all the big guys are

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what was he telling me he's saying the new president

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of

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Palestine so there's a new guy

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he apparently owns a huge factory in Israel

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you know it's like everyone's

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just in the game for

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for a lot of their own

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interests and certainly we know Bush is and he said

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you know

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maybe if we get Kerry then

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we have a chance at figuring out what he's about

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before

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he can really get his hoax in but Kerry

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is the same there's big money there

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there's his wife with Heinz

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there's all kinds of

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cronyism and nepotism

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and everything going on in government

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at all different levels

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and I think what we basically concluded is

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you know in 30 years

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there will be a new generation

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there'll be our kids and they'll hopefully have grown up a little bit

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differently and they'll have different

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values and we'll think about religion

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differently and won't hate each other

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kind of like

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the Germans now

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Germany completely

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flattened the Netherlands

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occupied it outright just killed people

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shipped off a million Jews

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flattened Rotterdam

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and the Germans

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still come to Holland on vacation

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they sit on our beaches and we get along fine

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and all the young German

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generation of my generation

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30 to 40 years old

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we don't give a fuck about what happened then

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we hope we can learn from it and we get along

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and there's no animosity and that eventually will probably happen

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in other parts

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of the world where huge conflict

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is abound at this time

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there was a couple other points

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that we came up with

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well I said that

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clearly this is where the

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internet probably will speed up that cycle

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I'm hoping 10 years maybe

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because we're just not buying it anymore

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we're not buying what's in the media

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we're not buying what's in

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what's being shown on television the speeches

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we're being lied to, you know you're being lied to

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read the small print, read the fine letters

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that go by

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within a millisecond that you're

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supposed to read that disclaimer

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and know that your actual results will vary

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due to road and weather conditions

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but anyway

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it was always fun to have a political conversation

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in four different languages

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while drinking some

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Moroccan tea and

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smoking some wonderful

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plant of mother earth

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but when I got back I checked

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my iPod or inbox better known as

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my iPod and I saw

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a whole bunch of interesting new bush clips

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that had come up and I figured I might as well

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just do a little bush block here

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including a political poem

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so first let me get to this first one

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it's probably been circulating around the internet

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that's why it shows up on the blog digger MP3 feed

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this is

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and it's Bush basically

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fucking up whatever he's saying

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he's trying to say peace

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but it comes out a little bit differently

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listen to this little clip

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it's in the interest of

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a long-term peace in the world

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that we work for

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a free and secure

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and peaceful Iraq

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a peon's free and secure

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Iraq in the midst of the Middle East

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will have enormous historical impact

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a peon's free and

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George hold on I'll roll that back

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so you don't have to do it okay

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let's listen that again

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and secure

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and peaceful Iraq

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a peon's free and secure Iraq

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in the midst of the Middle East

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will have enormous historical impact

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a peon's free and secure Iraq

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so that was one guffaw that

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I don't know where that came from

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this is my favorite one

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and I'm sure this is going to come back

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to haunt George W

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during his many years as ex-president

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and they want us to leave

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that's what they want us to do

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and I think the world would be better off

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if we did leave

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the world would be worse

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the world is better off if it's not leaving

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what?

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okay as the source code continues

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for Monday the 27th

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I've got a political poem for you

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and it just showed up in my iPod

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it's pretty good listen to it

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so they said something that

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maybe they shouldn't have said now

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I'm not saying it was you

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and I'm not saying it was me

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and I'm not saying that maybe it was somebody else

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maybe it wasn't

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I'm not saying anything anymore

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man I'm sorry this is nice music

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and I don't want to spoil it with another

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political tirade cause

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I don't even like political poetry

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cause most of it sucks and most of the

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political stuff that comes to me is even worse

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than the stuff that usually comes to me

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but

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I hate this president even more now

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than I did before 9-11

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a cancer on the world and in my soul

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we have met the evil empire

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and it is us every one of us who didn't vote

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maybe worse than I will vote

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from I hate everybody

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anyway I wrote this poem

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it's short it's me and spirited

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and I feel kind of bad about it

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but I mean I'm just so

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calm it goes like this

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die painfully slow with slow pain

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John Ashcroft

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die slowly

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painfully

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you are all criminals

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you will never go to jail

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so just die as soon as possible

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with great pain slowly

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I would die the slowest

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most painful death of all of you

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if it meant that just half of you

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would die now

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call me liberal call me twisted

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and sick I don't care

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I hate you all and I hope you all die

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and that's the poem

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and that's fine except

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I mean what's the difference anyway

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they die

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worse ones come take their place

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[ Music ]

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you know I really like poetry

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that doesn't sugarcoat it

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another political poem

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that was king missile 3

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I'm reading this from the id3 tags

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from the album royal lunch

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and oh man that's

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exercising your free speech there isn't it

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damn but I think that

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just listening to that

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the point is maybe just like

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we had Hitler we had Stalin

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we had Mussolini and they're all gone

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and new ones come with Idi Amin

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and they're dictators the world over

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Gaddafi and

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they'll go eventually we all go

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and then new ones pop up

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and let's just hope that

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we can steer

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our leaders and I think that

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that's a lot about what

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what blogs are about and podcasting

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it's exactly the same it's all freedom of speech

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and it's really really important

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okay let me just go back to the mail bag

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because I had a lot of mail

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that came in

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Jonathan Green sent me a note about

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Mars edit I was raving about that

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the other day hoping that

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they'll build in

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enclosure support pretty soon I mean

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I've been using it now for the past well

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it feels like about a week

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I like it very very much it's really

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I have a central place for all of my weblog publishing

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it's easy to edit

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there's just no waiting involved

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no waiting for browsers to render

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it probably stores a local copy of stuff

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in its own cache

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it's great it's really good stuff

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and he suggested

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installing the book market

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because

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I said there was a script that you can post from Safari

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it's called the script

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it goes from Safari in the Mars edit

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scripts menu

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and the book market is cool

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because it does the same thing

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it also gives you a routing tag

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like via and then you put in whoever it came from

529
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and

530
00:24:29,340 --> 00:24:31,340
just more good stuff smart

531
00:24:31,340 --> 00:24:33,340
smart user stuff that I'm really enjoying using

532
00:24:35,340 --> 00:24:37,340
let me see

533
00:24:37,340 --> 00:24:39,340
what is this here

534
00:24:39,340 --> 00:24:41,340
this is just a shout out

535
00:24:41,340 --> 00:24:43,340
from Kurt Wendelkin

536
00:24:43,340 --> 00:24:45,340
IT Pro working for the U.S. Navy

537
00:24:45,340 --> 00:24:47,340
it says in case you've been noticing

538
00:24:47,340 --> 00:24:49,340
the dot navy dot mill hits

539
00:24:49,340 --> 00:24:51,340
in your logs yet didn't go unnoticed

540
00:24:51,340 --> 00:24:53,340
I try every day to move tech users

541
00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:55,340
in my giant organization forward

542
00:24:55,340 --> 00:24:57,340
your stuff certainly helps me to keep thinking

543
00:24:57,340 --> 00:24:59,340
I'm happy to hear it

544
00:24:59,340 --> 00:25:01,340
that's a lot about

545
00:25:01,340 --> 00:25:03,340
what the source code is for

546
00:25:03,340 --> 00:25:05,340
try to get users and developers to party together

547
00:25:07,340 --> 00:25:09,340
hold on

548
00:25:09,340 --> 00:25:11,340
let me see I had a couple other comments

549
00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:13,340
that came in through the web log

550
00:25:13,340 --> 00:25:15,340
oh yeah there is

551
00:25:15,340 --> 00:25:17,340
there have been some comments about

552
00:25:17,340 --> 00:25:19,340
I posted that I'm pushing about 9 gigs

553
00:25:19,340 --> 00:25:21,340
a day out

554
00:25:21,340 --> 00:25:23,340
through my servers for

555
00:25:23,340 --> 00:25:25,340
for the daily source code and trade secrets

556
00:25:25,340 --> 00:25:27,340
and I called that a bump in the road

557
00:25:27,340 --> 00:25:29,340
and I mean that you know it is a bump in the road

558
00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:31,340
we're going to fix this

559
00:25:31,340 --> 00:25:33,340
and I think the first and most important

560
00:25:33,340 --> 00:25:35,340
thing we can do before we get it

561
00:25:35,340 --> 00:25:37,340
to the ISP level is getting bit torrent

562
00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:39,340
fully integrated

563
00:25:39,340 --> 00:25:41,340
I played with that I finally subscribed

564
00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:43,340
to my first bit torrent feed

565
00:25:43,340 --> 00:25:45,340
what is it

566
00:25:45,340 --> 00:25:47,340
it's the Air America archives

567
00:25:47,340 --> 00:25:49,340
they have an archive

568
00:25:49,340 --> 00:25:51,340
an RSS 2.0

569
00:25:51,340 --> 00:25:53,340
podcast feed for you to subscribe to

570
00:25:53,340 --> 00:25:55,340
and

571
00:25:55,340 --> 00:25:57,340
it brings in recent shows

572
00:25:57,340 --> 00:25:59,340
through bit torrent

573
00:25:59,340 --> 00:26:01,340
as OGG files

574
00:26:01,340 --> 00:26:03,340
which is another compression

575
00:26:03,340 --> 00:26:05,340
standard which

576
00:26:05,340 --> 00:26:07,340
I think it's a pretty geeky standard

577
00:26:07,340 --> 00:26:09,340
it compresses stuff incredibly

578
00:26:09,340 --> 00:26:11,340
I think it compresses about twice as much as mp3

579
00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:13,340
at least it seems that way from the file size

580
00:26:13,340 --> 00:26:15,340
iTunes doesn't support it out of the box

581
00:26:15,340 --> 00:26:17,340
you have to download a plug in

582
00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:19,340
but anyway

583
00:26:19,340 --> 00:26:21,340
so if that's the way it's coming

584
00:26:21,340 --> 00:26:23,340
I still want to listen to it

585
00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:25,340
and

586
00:26:25,340 --> 00:26:27,340
iPod or X successfully

587
00:26:27,340 --> 00:26:29,340
got the bit torrents, downloaded the show

588
00:26:29,340 --> 00:26:31,340
it created the folder

589
00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:33,340
I didn't quite put the files into the folder

590
00:26:33,340 --> 00:26:35,340
and renamed them as mp.mp3

591
00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:37,340
instead of its original dot OGG format

592
00:26:37,340 --> 00:26:39,340
we'll get all that worked out

593
00:26:39,340 --> 00:26:41,340
but the iPod or concept is there

594
00:26:41,340 --> 00:26:43,340
and it's working

595
00:26:43,340 --> 00:26:45,340
and what we need to do now

596
00:26:45,340 --> 00:26:47,340
is make the publishing of mp3

597
00:26:47,340 --> 00:26:49,340
a little more easier

598
00:26:49,340 --> 00:26:51,340
so that you don't have to go through the process

599
00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:53,340
and I've done it myself just in

600
00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:55,340
local bench testing of

601
00:26:55,340 --> 00:26:57,340
okay here we go, first

602
00:26:57,340 --> 00:26:59,340
create the mp3 tags

603
00:26:59,340 --> 00:27:01,340
then I'm going to make a bit torrent out of it

604
00:27:01,340 --> 00:27:03,340
then I have to upload the torrent

605
00:27:03,340 --> 00:27:05,340
upload the file

606
00:27:05,340 --> 00:27:07,340
it's just

607
00:27:07,340 --> 00:27:09,340
a lot of

608
00:27:09,340 --> 00:27:11,340
a lot of steps to go through

609
00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:13,340
and then just briefly at the ISP level

610
00:27:13,340 --> 00:27:15,340
I also did a test I threw up the latest trade secrets

611
00:27:15,340 --> 00:27:17,340
on my .mac account

612
00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:19,340
where I bought a gigabyte of disk space

613
00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:21,340
if you want to publish

614
00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:23,340
there's going to be pain somewhere

615
00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:25,340
even if you have a weblog

616
00:27:25,340 --> 00:27:27,340
if you get slash dotted

617
00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:29,340
eventually you have to pay for bandwidth

618
00:27:29,340 --> 00:27:31,340
now bandwidth is being commoditized

619
00:27:31,340 --> 00:27:33,340
that can really help you

620
00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:35,340
but we want to make sure that we're not

621
00:27:35,340 --> 00:27:37,340
victims of our own success here

622
00:27:37,340 --> 00:27:39,340
and shouldn't be

623
00:27:39,340 --> 00:27:41,340
that every single time your show takes off

624
00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:43,340
and people are listening to you

625
00:27:43,340 --> 00:27:45,340
and you've got a popular show that your bandwidth

626
00:27:45,340 --> 00:27:47,340
bill goes up that's not the economy

627
00:27:47,340 --> 00:27:49,340
of scale that traditional

628
00:27:49,340 --> 00:27:51,340
radio or television have

629
00:27:51,340 --> 00:27:53,340
and I think that's where bit torrent is going to

630
00:27:53,340 --> 00:27:55,340
is going to help us

631
00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:57,340
and that's mainly because this is not streaming

632
00:27:57,340 --> 00:27:59,340
it's time shifting it's downloading

633
00:27:59,340 --> 00:28:01,340
we can effectively distribute the load

634
00:28:01,340 --> 00:28:03,340
and I think we're doing a pretty good job

635
00:28:03,340 --> 00:28:05,340
so far with the integration of bit torrent

636
00:28:05,340 --> 00:28:07,340
from what I've seen

637
00:28:07,340 --> 00:28:09,340
in iPod or X

638
00:28:11,340 --> 00:28:13,340
also Danny

639
00:28:13,340 --> 00:28:15,340
Gregor

640
00:28:15,340 --> 00:28:17,340
Gregory

641
00:28:17,340 --> 00:28:19,340
we've been emailing back and forth

642
00:28:19,340 --> 00:28:21,340
and I mentioned him before on the source code

643
00:28:21,340 --> 00:28:23,340
he's submitting a proposal

644
00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:25,340
with

645
00:28:25,340 --> 00:28:27,340
our buddy Dave Slusher from Evil Genius Chronicles

646
00:28:27,340 --> 00:28:29,340
for the O'Reilly

647
00:28:29,340 --> 00:28:31,340
E-Tech conference

648
00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:33,340
and they're going to do it about

649
00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:35,340
podcasting

650
00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:37,340
and the iPod platform

651
00:28:37,340 --> 00:28:39,340
see if they actually have a

652
00:28:39,340 --> 00:28:41,340
I guess they're calling it podcasting

653
00:28:41,340 --> 00:28:43,340
and they invited me to go along with them

654
00:28:43,340 --> 00:28:45,340
now that's not going to work

655
00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:47,340
schedule wise with the move and everything

656
00:28:47,340 --> 00:28:49,340
excuse me

657
00:28:49,340 --> 00:28:51,340
hold on let me just get rid of this

658
00:28:53,340 --> 00:28:55,340
ah there we go that's better

659
00:28:55,340 --> 00:28:57,340
so I said but no please

660
00:28:57,340 --> 00:28:59,340
you guys go have a ball

661
00:28:59,340 --> 00:29:01,340
and let's see

662
00:29:01,340 --> 00:29:03,340
apparently that's the conference to be at

663
00:29:03,340 --> 00:29:05,340
I don't know I don't really do a lot of

664
00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:07,340
conferences

665
00:29:07,340 --> 00:29:09,340
certainly not conference conferences

666
00:29:09,340 --> 00:29:11,340
but they're submitting a proposal and I guess

667
00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:13,340
they're going to get out there and

668
00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:15,340
we'll keep an eye on them

669
00:29:15,340 --> 00:29:17,340
and they'll be reporting to us of course

670
00:29:17,340 --> 00:29:19,340
regarding

671
00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:21,340
conferences blogger con 3

672
00:29:21,340 --> 00:29:23,340
coming up the 6th of November

673
00:29:23,340 --> 00:29:25,340
in Palo Alto

674
00:29:25,340 --> 00:29:27,340
bloggercon.org is where you want to

675
00:29:27,340 --> 00:29:29,340
check it out and I'll be leading a discussion

676
00:29:29,340 --> 00:29:31,340
on podcasting myself

677
00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:33,340
and I wrote up a description today

678
00:29:33,340 --> 00:29:35,340
you can check it out it's on the web

679
00:29:35,340 --> 00:29:37,340
blog at bloggercon.com

680
00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:39,340
and if anyone listening to

681
00:29:39,340 --> 00:29:41,340
this podcast

682
00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:43,340
you know can

683
00:29:43,340 --> 00:29:45,340
come or is planning on coming let me know

684
00:29:45,340 --> 00:29:47,340
you know let's get some stuff set up

685
00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:49,340
I really hope we can have a massive jam

686
00:29:49,340 --> 00:29:51,340
parties we're all bringing our mobile studios

687
00:29:51,340 --> 00:29:53,340
and we need to talk about setups

688
00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:55,340
and how it works and all the stuff

689
00:29:55,340 --> 00:29:57,340
that we're talking about on the iPod or dev list

690
00:29:57,340 --> 00:29:59,340
you can hear by the way that

691
00:29:59,340 --> 00:30:01,340
our good buddy Luke is blowing the leaves

692
00:30:01,340 --> 00:30:03,340
outside the castle

693
00:30:03,340 --> 00:30:05,340
at the moment outside of the bar

694
00:30:05,340 --> 00:30:07,340
door where we are

695
00:30:07,340 --> 00:30:09,340
alright let's play some more fun stuff

696
00:30:09,340 --> 00:30:11,340
I got an

697
00:30:11,340 --> 00:30:13,340
email from

698
00:30:13,340 --> 00:30:15,340
Tony

699
00:30:15,340 --> 00:30:17,340
and now my email there we go

700
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:19,340
Tony Khan

701
00:30:19,340 --> 00:30:21,340
he was another fan of the source code

702
00:30:21,340 --> 00:30:23,340
he's in Boston

703
00:30:23,340 --> 00:30:25,340
and he's working at

704
00:30:25,340 --> 00:30:27,340
Public Radio at WGBH

705
00:30:27,340 --> 00:30:29,340
and

706
00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:31,340
he does let me see if he

707
00:30:31,340 --> 00:30:33,340
yeah I think he produces I don't know if he hosts it

708
00:30:33,340 --> 00:30:35,340
but he produces a series of short stories

709
00:30:35,340 --> 00:30:37,340
called Morning Stories

710
00:30:37,340 --> 00:30:39,340
and

711
00:30:39,340 --> 00:30:41,340
he pointed me to them and you can get them in streaming

712
00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:43,340
there's also a download

713
00:30:43,340 --> 00:30:45,340
MP3 archive and they're really good

714
00:30:45,340 --> 00:30:47,340
and so I suggested well you know

715
00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:49,340
dude why don't you get it

716
00:30:49,340 --> 00:30:51,340
an RSS 2.0

717
00:30:51,340 --> 00:30:53,340
podcasting feed together and I'll point to it

718
00:30:53,340 --> 00:30:55,340
and then everyone can enjoy this so it'll be that much better

719
00:30:55,340 --> 00:30:57,340
and so he said well yep

720
00:30:57,340 --> 00:30:59,340
certainly what is this

721
00:30:59,340 --> 00:31:01,340
quote here hi Adam wish there was

722
00:31:01,340 --> 00:31:03,340
an RSS feed you're way ahead of us that makes

723
00:31:03,340 --> 00:31:05,340
you such a force in changing

724
00:31:05,340 --> 00:31:07,340
the face of radio I'll see if I can

725
00:31:07,340 --> 00:31:09,340
make it happen you know how hard it is to make

726
00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:11,340
an elephant sized operation like WGBH

727
00:31:11,340 --> 00:31:13,340
remember it can still dance

728
00:31:13,340 --> 00:31:15,340
Tony I'm sure you are teaching

729
00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:17,340
at New Steps as we speak

730
00:31:17,340 --> 00:31:19,340
and I want to play this bit

731
00:31:19,340 --> 00:31:21,340
which is one of the

732
00:31:21,340 --> 00:31:23,340
Morning Stories series

733
00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:25,340
and meanwhile hopefully by the time we get back

734
00:31:25,340 --> 00:31:27,340
the leaf blowing will have diminished a little bit

735
00:31:27,340 --> 00:31:29,340
check this one out

736
00:31:29,340 --> 00:31:31,340
it's titled one eight hundred your dad

737
00:31:45,340 --> 00:31:47,340
a meaningful relationship

738
00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:49,340
press one if you call to chat

739
00:31:49,340 --> 00:31:51,340
press two if you call

740
00:31:51,340 --> 00:31:53,340
to apologize for not having

741
00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:55,340
phoned in months

742
00:31:55,340 --> 00:31:57,340
press three if you really called

743
00:31:57,340 --> 00:31:59,340
for money one

744
00:31:59,340 --> 00:32:01,340
you call to

745
00:32:01,340 --> 00:32:03,340
shoot the breeze press one

746
00:32:03,340 --> 00:32:05,340
if you want to hear about my problems

747
00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:07,340
press two if you want

748
00:32:07,340 --> 00:32:09,340
us to hear about your problems

749
00:32:09,340 --> 00:32:11,340
or press three at any time

750
00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:13,340
if what you really called about

751
00:32:13,340 --> 00:32:15,340
was money

752
00:32:15,340 --> 00:32:17,340
come on one

753
00:32:17,340 --> 00:32:19,340
you want to hear about my problems

754
00:32:19,340 --> 00:32:21,340
how thoughtful

755
00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:23,340
press one to hear what we think

756
00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:25,340
about your girlfriend Yolanda

757
00:32:25,340 --> 00:32:27,340
press two to hear

758
00:32:27,340 --> 00:32:29,340
what we think about your plan to motorcycle

759
00:32:29,340 --> 00:32:31,340
around the world with your barbarian

760
00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:33,340
friends on with them press three

761
00:32:33,340 --> 00:32:35,340
if what you really called about

762
00:32:35,340 --> 00:32:37,340
was money

763
00:32:37,340 --> 00:32:39,340
you finally press three

764
00:32:39,340 --> 00:32:41,340
please enter now the

765
00:32:41,340 --> 00:32:43,340
dollar amount you are requesting

766
00:32:43,340 --> 00:32:45,340
followed by the pound sign

767
00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:47,340
at the bottom of the dial

768
00:32:47,340 --> 00:32:49,340
one

769
00:32:49,340 --> 00:32:51,340
two

770
00:32:51,340 --> 00:32:53,340
the heck I won't get it anyway

771
00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:55,340
one

772
00:32:55,340 --> 00:32:57,340
pound sign

773
00:32:57,340 --> 00:32:59,340
five thousand

774
00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:01,340
dollars

775
00:33:01,340 --> 00:33:03,340
are you out of your mind

776
00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:05,340
press one to hear my lecture

777
00:33:05,340 --> 00:33:07,340
on how I am not far nuts

778
00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:09,340
press two to hear your mother

779
00:33:09,340 --> 00:33:11,340
weeping inconsolably about

780
00:33:11,340 --> 00:33:13,340
where she went wrong with you

781
00:33:13,340 --> 00:33:15,340
press three if you are willing

782
00:33:15,340 --> 00:33:17,340
to settle for one hundred dollars cash

783
00:33:17,340 --> 00:33:19,340
no questions asked by return mail

784
00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:21,340
hmm

785
00:33:21,340 --> 00:33:23,340
please hold your request is being

786
00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:25,340
processed now

787
00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:27,340
near time

788
00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:29,340
dad

789
00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:31,340
get with it

790
00:33:31,340 --> 00:33:33,340
oh what a guy has got to do

791
00:33:33,340 --> 00:33:35,340
five hundred bucks

792
00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:37,340
hmm

793
00:33:37,340 --> 00:33:41,340
your request has just been

794
00:33:41,340 --> 00:33:43,340
electronically rooted to my bank

795
00:33:43,340 --> 00:33:45,340
thanks for calling and next time

796
00:33:45,340 --> 00:33:47,340
consider dropping by

797
00:33:47,340 --> 00:33:49,340
we really do miss you

798
00:33:49,340 --> 00:33:51,340
press one now to hear your mother tell you

799
00:33:51,340 --> 00:33:53,340
she loves you too

800
00:33:53,340 --> 00:33:55,340
press two to hear duke bark hi

801
00:33:55,340 --> 00:33:57,340
or press three to hear your little sister

802
00:33:57,340 --> 00:33:59,340
judy tell you

803
00:33:59,340 --> 00:34:01,340
we don't understand her either

804
00:34:01,340 --> 00:34:03,340
bye

805
00:34:03,340 --> 00:34:05,340
some choice

806
00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:07,340
dog

807
00:34:07,340 --> 00:34:09,340
hi duke

808
00:34:09,340 --> 00:34:11,340
dog's got to be eating

809
00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:13,340
there you go one eight hundred

810
00:34:13,340 --> 00:34:15,340
um

811
00:34:15,340 --> 00:34:17,340
your dad from WGBH

812
00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:19,340
and as soon as they get

813
00:34:19,340 --> 00:34:21,340
a feed together I will most definitely point to it

814
00:34:21,340 --> 00:34:23,340
okay so there's still a little bit of leaf

815
00:34:23,340 --> 00:34:25,340
blowing going on but

816
00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:27,340
you know maybe we'll make this a double shot

817
00:34:27,340 --> 00:34:29,340
source code today

818
00:34:29,340 --> 00:34:31,340
playing a full hours

819
00:34:31,340 --> 00:34:33,340
worth of all the best that I've

820
00:34:33,340 --> 00:34:35,340
tripped across on the net

821
00:34:35,340 --> 00:34:37,340
let's listen to the Isles right now

822
00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:39,340
who's that lady

823
00:34:41,250 --> 00:39:41,250
[ Music ]

824
00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:53,980
until the iTunes Music Store comes to Europe, the European Union, where it is end of October,

825
00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:59,740
because then I can download and happily pay for a good version of the Isley Brothers, who

826
00:39:59,740 --> 00:40:00,740
is that lady?

827
00:40:00,740 --> 00:40:06,740
This had a dropout somewhere in the middle there, you know, come on people.

828
00:40:06,740 --> 00:40:11,620
Yeah, so I wonder how many of you skipped ahead to this part and didn't listen to the Isley

829
00:40:11,620 --> 00:40:12,620
Brothers?

830
00:40:12,620 --> 00:40:14,300
Does everyone always listen to all the songs?

831
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:16,380
Let me know, adamantcurry.com.

832
00:40:16,380 --> 00:40:19,020
So yeah, we're going to make this a double shot of the source code for today because

833
00:40:19,020 --> 00:40:28,260
there's just so much to talk about, and what's the worst is when great stuff happens on Friday,

834
00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:31,460
and then I sit there all weekend thinking, oh man, I got to talk about this stuff.

835
00:40:31,460 --> 00:40:32,460
I don't remember what to talk about.

836
00:40:32,460 --> 00:40:33,460
I'm writing stuff down.

837
00:40:33,460 --> 00:40:34,460
I've got outlines all over the place.

838
00:40:34,460 --> 00:40:35,460
I've got bits, notes.

839
00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:39,180
I mean, I've never, I haven't been this active since the first time I hosted the

840
00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:41,620
morning show on Z100 in New York.

841
00:40:41,620 --> 00:40:44,580
You know, I'm just totally, everything is show prep mode, which is great.

842
00:40:44,580 --> 00:40:48,980
I love it because I have so much to talk about, and it's my version of web-logging.

843
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:51,100
On Friday, there was a new Gilmore Gang that was put up.

844
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:52,340
You know how much I love this show?

845
00:40:52,340 --> 00:40:57,700
It's at itconversations.com, the Gilmore Gang, Steve Gilmore, John Udell, Doc Searls,

846
00:40:57,700 --> 00:41:01,020
and they always have some guests on there.

847
00:41:01,020 --> 00:41:06,820
And I have to say, a lot of this show was about iPodder, and I mentioned this on Trade

848
00:41:06,820 --> 00:41:10,820
Secrets because Dave called up, and so we might have said, well shoot, we're talking

849
00:41:10,820 --> 00:41:14,460
and we want to talk about this Gilmore Gang thing, and so we recorded a show out

850
00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:19,500
of it and put it up, if you haven't heard it, secrets.scripting.com.

851
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:28,140
And it was, you know, they kept wandering away to talk about suns, you know, buy computer

852
00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:34,420
cycles, buy the hour offering, I actually posted a link to that on my web-log, and

853
00:41:34,420 --> 00:41:38,500
they kept coming back to iPodder, and it was great to hear, you know, they were clearly

854
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:42,220
excited about it, and it was wonderful to hear it, but there were some errors in

855
00:41:42,260 --> 00:41:46,260
there that, you know, I was listening, you have to understand that, you know, if you

856
00:41:46,260 --> 00:41:49,460
read a newspaper and you read an interview, an article about yourself, and

857
00:41:49,460 --> 00:41:52,820
there's something wrong, like, oh man, shit. And then you see it on TV, you know,

858
00:41:52,820 --> 00:41:56,620
sometimes you feel like throwing the remote, and you hear stuff on radio or

859
00:41:56,620 --> 00:41:59,860
your iPod, and I'm like, I'm jumping up and down, like, no, that's not right,

860
00:41:59,860 --> 00:42:04,420
that's not right. So I did get some interesting points wrong, and I was

861
00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:09,660
thinking about, you know, playing back the show, stopping it, and talking

862
00:42:09,660 --> 00:42:14,700
about, you know, exactly what they said, but I didn't have to, because Saturday

863
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:18,740
morning on my iPod, waiting for me, was a new evil genius Chronicles, Dave Slusher

864
00:42:18,740 --> 00:42:24,260
had done exactly that, he did it in post-production, in edit, but I figured,

865
00:42:24,260 --> 00:42:27,820
I'll just play you a little bit, a clip, and then the response that Dave gives

866
00:42:27,820 --> 00:42:31,940
to that clip, because his response is, it's just excellent, it was, it just

867
00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:36,380
really cracked me up. So this is a bit of the evil genius Chronicles from

868
00:42:36,380 --> 00:42:41,820
September 25th, 2004, regarding the Gilmore gang of the same date.

869
00:42:41,820 --> 00:42:47,340
Well there's an optional portion, effectively, of RSS called Enclosures,

870
00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:50,620
that bear the greatest similarity to email attachment.

871
00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:53,260
Hold on a second, you know what I should do, I should probably rewind this just a

872
00:42:53,260 --> 00:42:57,220
little bit, just so that you can hear Dave's intro and who's talking here,

873
00:42:57,220 --> 00:42:59,100
hold on a second.

874
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:01,620
And, I'll rewind this.

875
00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:05,500
Here's what he had to say about it.

876
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:10,420
Okay, hold on, we're almost there.

877
00:43:10,420 --> 00:43:12,540
It's also actually important, okay.

878
00:43:12,540 --> 00:43:20,260
Okay, I'll play, because he also does a mea culpa here, which is important for context.

879
00:43:20,260 --> 00:43:24,140
You and I are hearing this at different times, and I wrote down everything I wanted to say,

880
00:43:24,140 --> 00:43:28,140
so hopefully I'm not misremembering as I do this.

881
00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:32,740
But we're going to hear the first piece, and this is Scott Rafer from who's the CEO

882
00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:35,260
of Feedster. Here's what he had to say about it.

883
00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:40,260
Well there's an optional portion, effectively, of RSS called Enclosures,

884
00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:45,540
that bear the greatest similarity to email attachments, than anything else.

885
00:43:45,540 --> 00:43:52,140
And with the restriction, you can only have one per RSS entry.

886
00:43:52,140 --> 00:44:00,220
And, they've been gaining popularity recently, and Adam Curry, the former VH1

887
00:44:00,220 --> 00:44:05,620
VJ, who's now sort of done a lot with RSS over from the Netherlands,

888
00:44:05,620 --> 00:44:11,940
put together a piece of software called iPodder, I-P-O-D-D-E-R dot org,

889
00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:17,540
where you can go straight from RSS enclosures onto your iPod.

890
00:44:17,540 --> 00:44:23,300
And he's got his little daily radio show, you know, similar to a certain extent.

891
00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:25,700
You know, to this one goes up digital files on the web and whatever.

892
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:31,100
It's a soliloquy mainly. But he put it out there and started distributing

893
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:35,460
his own radio show this way, and listenership took off.

894
00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:39,780
And so they put out the piece of software as a, you know,

895
00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:44,180
come one, come all kind of little attachment to drop onto your Mac.

896
00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:46,660
I don't believe there's a Windows version yet.

897
00:44:46,660 --> 00:44:52,340
And what Scott Johnson did was he reacted to this,

898
00:44:52,340 --> 00:44:57,420
and the growing popularity of enclosures, putting together some master feeds

899
00:44:57,420 --> 00:45:03,660
up on Feaster's site, so that you can have an RSS feed of all the MP3s

900
00:45:03,660 --> 00:45:07,420
that come through the system, all the JPEGs, all the video files,

901
00:45:07,420 --> 00:45:09,420
all the calendar events, even.

902
00:45:09,420 --> 00:45:12,660
So he had, you know, his advocacy and, you know, his company,

903
00:45:12,660 --> 00:45:15,660
obviously is supporting things to help this platform out.

904
00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:19,380
A couple annoying little errors in there, which as I posted about this

905
00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:23,500
earlier in the weblog, I ascribed him as working for Technorati.

906
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:26,460
So I make the annoying little errors myself, too.

907
00:45:26,460 --> 00:45:28,180
I don't think Adam ever worked for VH1.

908
00:45:28,180 --> 00:45:29,780
It was, I think, only MTV.

909
00:45:29,780 --> 00:45:31,140
Right, right, right. That's not a biggie.

910
00:45:31,140 --> 00:45:34,460
No, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on, hold on.

911
00:45:34,460 --> 00:45:35,740
To me, that is a biggie.

912
00:45:38,860 --> 00:45:41,380
I used to host Headbangers Ball, dude.

913
00:45:41,420 --> 00:45:45,620
I mean, it's like, oh, man, that's so rough.

914
00:45:45,620 --> 00:45:50,420
The only real VJ that was ever on VH1, besides Rosie O'Donnell,

915
00:45:50,420 --> 00:45:53,220
by the way, and I did her audition,

916
00:45:53,220 --> 00:45:58,340
and she got hired because of me, was Tim Bird, the Bird Mom.

917
00:45:58,340 --> 00:46:00,620
You're probably still here to see him somewhere

918
00:46:00,620 --> 00:46:03,020
around your media market, Rodale Station,

919
00:46:03,020 --> 00:46:05,180
Tim Bird, the Bird Mom.

920
00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:08,220
So no, that's actually quite insulting to say that I

921
00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:09,140
was from VH1.

922
00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:10,620
And I was jumping up and down when

923
00:46:10,660 --> 00:46:13,980
I heard that, I'm like, oh, come on, man, that's unfair.

924
00:46:13,980 --> 00:46:16,420
But of course, maybe that's because MTV no longer

925
00:46:16,420 --> 00:46:18,980
actually plays music videos and VH1 does,

926
00:46:18,980 --> 00:46:21,260
so it may just be a very honest mistake.

927
00:46:21,260 --> 00:46:24,220
Let's continue now with Dave Slush's analysis

928
00:46:24,220 --> 00:46:25,500
of this statement.

929
00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:28,340
This isn't really an error, but something about the way

930
00:46:28,340 --> 00:46:30,980
he said stuff kind of rubbed me the wrong way.

931
00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:33,820
You notice that he uses the word little like three times.

932
00:46:33,820 --> 00:46:36,180
Adam's little radio show and this little program

933
00:46:36,180 --> 00:46:38,860
that you put on there and it runs on its little subscription.

934
00:46:38,860 --> 00:46:41,780
To me, I don't know, it just sounds like

935
00:46:41,780 --> 00:46:46,780
derogation and kind of diminution of what we're doing here.

936
00:46:48,220 --> 00:46:52,020
I mean, it's not something to be so thin skin

937
00:46:52,020 --> 00:46:53,580
that bothers you about, but I don't know why

938
00:46:53,580 --> 00:46:55,700
he's using that adjective to describe this.

939
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:57,100
Dave, I think I can tell you why,

940
00:46:57,100 --> 00:46:59,460
because people who talk like that,

941
00:46:59,460 --> 00:47:00,980
and I listen, I caught that as well.

942
00:47:00,980 --> 00:47:03,900
I was like, whoa, man, why is he saying little this

943
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:08,260
and little that, and usually people who say that

944
00:47:08,940 --> 00:47:11,420
it's a psychological thing, and of course,

945
00:47:11,420 --> 00:47:13,780
everything you say is always based upon your own psyche

946
00:47:13,780 --> 00:47:17,020
and your own frustration, so it probably has a small penis.

947
00:47:17,020 --> 00:47:18,900
Stuff, it seems kind of out of place.

948
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:21,660
As does soliloquy, because it sounds almost,

949
00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:24,420
I don't know, accusatory.

950
00:47:24,420 --> 00:47:27,080
Like, Adam's show is a soliloquy,

951
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,060
and guess what, this shows a soliloquy, too.

952
00:47:30,060 --> 00:47:33,460
Is that, I mean, any one person radio,

953
00:47:33,460 --> 00:47:35,260
talk radio show is like that, you know?

954
00:47:36,220 --> 00:47:39,500
And I replayed that bit four times,

955
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:41,860
like what does he say, I couldn't understand it,

956
00:47:41,860 --> 00:47:44,940
and it wasn't until I heard Dave's analysis

957
00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:48,620
that I heard it was soliloquy, and I had to look it up.

958
00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:51,260
I had to look it up on dictionary.com.

959
00:47:51,260 --> 00:47:53,100
Hold on a second, let me bring up

960
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:54,620
the definition of soliloquy.

961
00:47:54,620 --> 00:47:57,740
I think I posted to my web log about that as well.

962
00:47:58,980 --> 00:48:01,980
Hold on a second, let's just get that.

963
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:04,420
Soliloquy, it's even hard to say.

964
00:48:04,460 --> 00:48:08,020
Soliloquy, damn, it's the word of the day.

965
00:48:08,020 --> 00:48:10,260
Soliloquy, let me see.

966
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:14,620
Where is it, where, here, soliloquy.

967
00:48:16,220 --> 00:48:18,740
A dramatic or literary form of discourse

968
00:48:18,740 --> 00:48:21,900
in which a character talks to himself or herself

969
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:23,740
or reveals his or her thoughts

970
00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:26,300
without addressing a listener.

971
00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:29,620
That's not true, that's just not true.

972
00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:32,860
I'm totally 100% addressing listeners here.

973
00:48:33,060 --> 00:48:34,460
And the only reason I'm stopping by,

974
00:48:34,460 --> 00:48:36,260
and I'm just making light of the situation,

975
00:48:36,260 --> 00:48:38,980
I'm tickled to death that these guys talked about it,

976
00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:41,980
really am, and I'm so happy that Feedster is supporting us.

977
00:48:43,140 --> 00:48:45,740
But shit, I got a whole hour to fill here, you know what I'm saying?

978
00:48:45,740 --> 00:48:48,220
Let's just see if Dave has anything left here.

979
00:48:48,220 --> 00:48:50,260
Any talk radio show in the period

980
00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:52,980
between they're taking calls, that's a soliloquy.

981
00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:55,460
That's just the way it goes, why?

982
00:48:55,460 --> 00:48:59,380
So, but it is interesting that Feedster is behind this.

983
00:48:59,380 --> 00:49:01,740
I don't know that I would ever use a Feedster feed

984
00:49:01,740 --> 00:49:03,940
to aggregate for the same reason, you know,

985
00:49:03,940 --> 00:49:04,780
when we were going around.

986
00:49:04,780 --> 00:49:06,300
All right, so that's a whole different conversation.

987
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:08,100
You should listen to Dave's show

988
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:10,100
if you wanna check out all of that.

989
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:12,020
But anyway, it's a hilarious analysis

990
00:49:12,020 --> 00:49:14,300
of that conversation on the Gilmore Gang,

991
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:16,060
which is still one of my favorite shows.

992
00:49:16,060 --> 00:49:19,660
So, just saying howdy guys, we're listening to you.

993
00:49:19,660 --> 00:49:21,580
I don't miss one of your shows either.

994
00:49:21,580 --> 00:49:24,700
In fact, I'm really upset when I miss one of your shows.

995
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:27,900
Let me see, what else do we have left?

996
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:32,900
Well, I ran across an interesting podcast.

997
00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:35,300
Let me just see, look at the metadata here.

998
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:37,060
This is from Peter Overbaker.

999
00:49:37,060 --> 00:49:39,100
It's called Ghost in the Machine.

1000
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:42,780
And well, you should just listen to it for yourself

1001
00:49:42,780 --> 00:49:44,940
and you'll understand what he's doing immediately.

1002
00:49:44,940 --> 00:49:47,860
I've taken off the first bit of the theme song

1003
00:49:47,860 --> 00:49:51,300
and it almost goes straight into the actual

1004
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:52,660
start of the podcast.

1005
00:49:53,580 --> 00:49:56,620
Ghost in the Machine audio blog

1006
00:49:56,620 --> 00:50:00,540
for Sunday, September 26th, 2004.

1007
00:50:00,540 --> 00:50:03,860
Hi, all welcome to my very first audio blog,

1008
00:50:03,860 --> 00:50:07,420
read to you by ReadPlease 2003.

1009
00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:09,300
Because my own voice sucks,

1010
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:12,540
I thought this might be a fun solution.

1011
00:50:12,540 --> 00:50:14,980
Well, it might not be as successful

1012
00:50:14,980 --> 00:50:16,780
as Adam's or Dave's show.

1013
00:50:16,780 --> 00:50:18,900
Okay, well, anyway, I'll shoot now.

1014
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:21,020
There's Luke again with the leaf blower.

1015
00:50:21,020 --> 00:50:24,660
So clearly, you're not gonna listen to a voice like that

1016
00:50:24,660 --> 00:50:26,620
for very long, but I have to say this,

1017
00:50:26,620 --> 00:50:28,900
and this can't be Apple speech synthesis

1018
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:30,060
that's built into OS X

1019
00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:31,460
because it doesn't sound that good.

1020
00:50:31,460 --> 00:50:35,420
I don't think, maybe it is, but Peter should let us know.

1021
00:50:35,420 --> 00:50:38,180
But it does seem like it could be appropriate.

1022
00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:39,740
If I have a playlist of stuff

1023
00:50:39,740 --> 00:50:41,540
that I wanna listen to in the morning,

1024
00:50:41,540 --> 00:50:44,020
which includes a local weather report,

1025
00:50:44,020 --> 00:50:47,220
it includes a sports update, unlikely, right?

1026
00:50:47,220 --> 00:50:49,900
Okay, so let's take a political update.

1027
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:51,780
Then I wanna listen to a show

1028
00:50:51,780 --> 00:50:53,860
that plays two new songs for the day,

1029
00:50:53,860 --> 00:50:55,220
and then maybe there's something else

1030
00:50:55,220 --> 00:50:57,620
that's totally automated that someone doesn't feel

1031
00:50:57,620 --> 00:51:02,380
like setting up, like doing a voice track

1032
00:51:02,380 --> 00:51:03,220
every single day.

1033
00:51:03,220 --> 00:51:04,300
You could automate that with text.

1034
00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:06,260
I mean, even maybe the weather report is like that.

1035
00:51:06,260 --> 00:51:07,660
I think it'd be pretty boring,

1036
00:51:07,660 --> 00:51:09,860
but I think it's certainly useful.

1037
00:51:09,860 --> 00:51:11,860
I think there's a spot for it

1038
00:51:11,860 --> 00:51:13,300
in everything that we're doing.

1039
00:51:13,300 --> 00:51:17,380
And again, this could be used for so many things.

1040
00:51:17,380 --> 00:51:18,580
Just look at the telephone.

1041
00:51:18,580 --> 00:51:21,180
Look at a weblog and say what can this be used

1042
00:51:21,180 --> 00:51:22,020
to make money?

1043
00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:24,020
How can I use this to make money?

1044
00:51:24,020 --> 00:51:24,980
And forget the weblog.

1045
00:51:24,980 --> 00:51:26,180
Look at a telephone.

1046
00:51:26,180 --> 00:51:27,020
You know, it's the same thing.

1047
00:51:27,020 --> 00:51:29,980
And just think about what we're doing with radio.

1048
00:51:29,980 --> 00:51:31,460
We're doing too radio.

1049
00:51:31,460 --> 00:51:34,140
I mean, the spot where radio makes its money

1050
00:51:34,140 --> 00:51:37,140
is during drive time, in the morning and the afternoon.

1051
00:51:37,140 --> 00:51:40,700
And it's a very different way of consuming information

1052
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:43,420
because you're not going anywhere physically.

1053
00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:45,020
I mean, sure, you're moving along the road.

1054
00:51:45,020 --> 00:51:46,300
Hopefully, maybe you're in traffic.

1055
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:47,180
You're moving along slowly,

1056
00:51:47,180 --> 00:51:48,620
you're not getting out of your car.

1057
00:51:48,620 --> 00:51:49,980
And besides the cell phone,

1058
00:51:49,980 --> 00:51:54,260
there's not much else to do in the way of entertainment.

1059
00:51:54,260 --> 00:51:56,620
And so you're kind of stuck there.

1060
00:51:56,620 --> 00:51:58,260
And the most entertaining thing for you

1061
00:51:58,260 --> 00:52:00,420
will keep you going, and you're going to get marketed to.

1062
00:52:00,420 --> 00:52:02,620
And there's money there.

1063
00:52:02,620 --> 00:52:05,220
There's money to be made.

1064
00:52:05,220 --> 00:52:07,460
And we're totally competing with that market.

1065
00:52:07,460 --> 00:52:08,780
And I tell you, look out.

1066
00:52:08,780 --> 00:52:09,980
Look out.

1067
00:52:09,980 --> 00:52:13,780
Because the NAB is one powerful organization,

1068
00:52:13,780 --> 00:52:16,220
10 times more, maybe 100 times more powerful

1069
00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:17,780
than the RIAA.

1070
00:52:17,780 --> 00:52:19,820
And once they, that's the record lobby,

1071
00:52:19,820 --> 00:52:22,420
once they know what we're up to,

1072
00:52:22,420 --> 00:52:24,820
it's going to get really, really interesting.

1073
00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:27,100
And they have it, they brought it upon themselves.

1074
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:28,540
They've made radio boring.

1075
00:52:28,540 --> 00:52:32,140
Clear Channel owns so many radio stations.

1076
00:52:32,140 --> 00:52:34,100
And it's just, it's boring.

1077
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:35,340
It's the same playlist.

1078
00:52:35,340 --> 00:52:37,380
It's the same cookie cutter stuff.

1079
00:52:37,380 --> 00:52:41,020
It's not about the emotion of communicating stuff anymore.

1080
00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:42,580
It's just about making money,

1081
00:52:42,580 --> 00:52:44,820
which is the same for the music business.

1082
00:52:44,820 --> 00:52:46,340
And I think that's what we're all about.

1083
00:52:46,340 --> 00:52:48,220
Damn, I'm already doing my blogger con thing.

1084
00:52:48,220 --> 00:52:49,060
I got to stop this.

1085
00:52:49,060 --> 00:52:52,180
Okay, let me play you a bit from another show that I found,

1086
00:52:52,180 --> 00:52:53,260
who I contacted and said,

1087
00:52:53,260 --> 00:52:55,180
please, please, please, please make this

1088
00:52:55,180 --> 00:52:57,900
into a podcast compatible feed,

1089
00:52:57,900 --> 00:53:00,260
RSS 2.0 with enclosures.

1090
00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:01,100
They got back to me and said,

1091
00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:02,420
sure, they're definitely going to do that.

1092
00:53:02,420 --> 00:53:04,220
It's the Link Linux show.

1093
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:08,100
And I've never heard this before.

1094
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:10,020
I think this is their 50th anniversary show,

1095
00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:12,820
or it's around their 50th episode, maybe even more.

1096
00:53:12,820 --> 00:53:13,860
But it's really cool.

1097
00:53:13,860 --> 00:53:15,900
It's just a couple of guys talking geek talk,

1098
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:18,540
just like Dave and I might do.

1099
00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:21,220
And they also chatted about iPodder.

1100
00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:22,660
From a geek perspective,

1101
00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:25,380
I'll just play a little bit of this just to point it out.

1102
00:53:25,380 --> 00:53:28,540
And I'll let you know as soon as they have their iPodder

1103
00:53:28,540 --> 00:53:30,020
feed up and ready to go.

1104
00:53:30,020 --> 00:53:31,620
Here's a little bit from the Link Linux show.

1105
00:53:31,620 --> 00:53:33,740
This is from two weeks ago.

1106
00:53:33,740 --> 00:53:35,100
Pods, what?

1107
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:37,100
Dan's shiny iPod there.

1108
00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:39,460
I was playing with an application last week

1109
00:53:39,460 --> 00:53:42,460
called iPodder, excuse me.

1110
00:53:43,860 --> 00:53:44,900
Let's find it here.

1111
00:53:46,060 --> 00:53:50,980
It's iPodder, which allows you to do audio downloads

1112
00:53:50,980 --> 00:53:52,140
for like the audio blogs.

1113
00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:54,260
I know you were listening to some earlier

1114
00:53:54,260 --> 00:53:55,620
a couple of months ago.

1115
00:53:55,620 --> 00:54:00,620
Basically, it allows, you embed it in your RSS.

1116
00:54:01,220 --> 00:54:04,060
Honestly, every day or whenever you put another audio feed

1117
00:54:04,060 --> 00:54:06,860
up there on it, you get an application

1118
00:54:06,860 --> 00:54:08,100
which automatically downloads.

1119
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:09,460
Automatically downloads the thing you're iPodder.

1120
00:54:09,460 --> 00:54:10,300
If you have an iPodder,

1121
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:13,140
it'll actually store it on your iPod for you.

1122
00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:15,860
On that, I've obviously had them work for me.

1123
00:54:15,860 --> 00:54:17,700
But I don't have one.

1124
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:19,020
It doesn't work for me either.

1125
00:54:19,020 --> 00:54:20,700
But it does put everything on the disk

1126
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:22,780
and I can burn it off onto a CD

1127
00:54:22,780 --> 00:54:24,820
to listen at work and whatever.

1128
00:54:24,820 --> 00:54:26,300
It's pretty neat.

1129
00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:28,660
If you go to iPodder.org,

1130
00:54:28,660 --> 00:54:31,420
if you're into listening to what other people have to say,

1131
00:54:31,420 --> 00:54:33,900
obviously, could you listen to our show

1132
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:35,300
and maybe have an interest in that.

1133
00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:37,300
Yeah, which, you know, that brings up a good point.

1134
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:39,100
Like, there's...

1135
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:40,620
It's actually something we may want to do

1136
00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:44,180
with embedding some of this into our tech show page.

1137
00:54:44,180 --> 00:54:45,980
So isn't it great to hear the difference

1138
00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:48,980
between how users talk about this

1139
00:54:48,980 --> 00:54:50,540
and how techies talk about it?

1140
00:54:51,420 --> 00:54:54,500
You know, we'll embed it into the RSS of the show.

1141
00:54:55,580 --> 00:54:56,660
Exactly.

1142
00:54:56,660 --> 00:54:59,260
You know, iPodder is nothing more

1143
00:54:59,260 --> 00:55:01,140
than an iPod filling station.

1144
00:55:01,140 --> 00:55:02,660
That's what it's all about.

1145
00:55:03,620 --> 00:55:05,660
Just briefly, listening to those past two clips.

1146
00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:07,940
So there's actually this one big thing

1147
00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:10,140
that I really want to focus on.

1148
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:13,260
We need to get the Windows version of iPodder

1149
00:55:13,260 --> 00:55:14,540
kind of out there.

1150
00:55:14,540 --> 00:55:16,700
We've got all kinds of scripts that run on Windows.

1151
00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:19,860
We've got the connection to the Windows media player,

1152
00:55:19,860 --> 00:55:22,940
which means we can connect to all these devices

1153
00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:24,980
that sync up to the media player.

1154
00:55:24,980 --> 00:55:27,620
And I know the work is going on.

1155
00:55:27,620 --> 00:55:29,420
I just, you know, I can't wait.

1156
00:55:29,420 --> 00:55:32,100
I'm so anxious to really give this a go

1157
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:33,460
because right now it's being...

1158
00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:35,500
And that's of course because I started with Apple Script.

1159
00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:37,900
It's kind of being deemed a Mac only thing

1160
00:55:37,940 --> 00:55:40,460
and the fact that it's also being used with iPods.

1161
00:55:40,460 --> 00:55:44,300
So, you know, now is the time to see if we can move that

1162
00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:45,860
and just let me know what I could do to help.

1163
00:55:45,860 --> 00:55:48,660
Unfortunately, I'm totally useless

1164
00:55:48,660 --> 00:55:51,820
when it comes to programming anything for Windows

1165
00:55:51,820 --> 00:55:52,660
or even using Windows.

1166
00:55:52,660 --> 00:55:53,500
I know how to use it.

1167
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:54,900
I have Windows 2000 here.

1168
00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:57,180
I'll gladly throw anything on there to test it

1169
00:55:57,180 --> 00:56:00,420
and try and beat it to shreds.

1170
00:56:00,420 --> 00:56:01,980
But it's all it is.

1171
00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:05,460
It's just the GUI in the setup and the timed...

1172
00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:06,820
Just look at iPod or X.

1173
00:56:06,860 --> 00:56:08,940
That's exactly what it should be.

1174
00:56:08,940 --> 00:56:11,820
And then, you know, then I see there's a whole market

1175
00:56:11,820 --> 00:56:15,020
just waiting there for developers

1176
00:56:15,020 --> 00:56:20,020
to create special iPoders with built to spec

1177
00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:22,180
or special features.

1178
00:56:22,180 --> 00:56:25,460
There's gonna be lots of people looking for different ways

1179
00:56:25,460 --> 00:56:27,580
to use the iPod or from the academic field

1180
00:56:27,580 --> 00:56:32,580
for lectures to the music business.

1181
00:56:33,140 --> 00:56:35,620
They're gonna, believe me, they're gonna be shows

1182
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:38,060
that you'll have the Warner Brothers music show.

1183
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:40,620
And it'll be total commercial for Warner Brothers.

1184
00:56:40,620 --> 00:56:41,460
But you know what?

1185
00:56:41,460 --> 00:56:43,220
You're gonna get a show and you're gonna get your music

1186
00:56:43,220 --> 00:56:45,180
and it's gonna come to you automatically.

1187
00:56:45,180 --> 00:56:49,500
And I do believe in Ken Ortowski's speech

1188
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:52,700
which I spoke about on Trade Secrets

1189
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:57,060
and also on Daily Source Code,

1190
00:56:57,060 --> 00:56:59,300
the music business is going to start figuring out

1191
00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:01,380
how to repackage music and sell music.

1192
00:57:01,380 --> 00:57:05,540
And they're going to treat the iPod platform as radio

1193
00:57:05,540 --> 00:57:07,980
and we're gonna get the same benefits.

1194
00:57:07,980 --> 00:57:10,940
We're gonna be able to use unlimited amounts of music

1195
00:57:10,940 --> 00:57:12,980
on the iPod platform.

1196
00:57:12,980 --> 00:57:15,420
Of course, if we start making money,

1197
00:57:15,420 --> 00:57:19,260
then you're gonna have to pay some of that in royalty fees

1198
00:57:19,260 --> 00:57:23,300
and usually that's about 6% of your gross revenue.

1199
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:25,860
No problem, no fucking problem.

1200
00:57:25,860 --> 00:57:28,100
Cut me that deal.

1201
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:29,060
Cut me the deal today.

1202
00:57:29,060 --> 00:57:30,820
I'll sign immediately.

1203
00:57:30,820 --> 00:57:32,740
I'd like it to be 4%, but it's okay.

1204
00:57:32,740 --> 00:57:34,180
We'll go for six if you want.

1205
00:57:34,940 --> 00:57:39,500
And 6% of zero is still zero at the moment.

1206
00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:40,860
But the minute I start making money,

1207
00:57:40,860 --> 00:57:44,260
as long as I can play unlimited ASCAP BMI licensed music,

1208
00:57:44,260 --> 00:57:45,300
you better believe it.

1209
00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:47,020
You better believe it all over that.

1210
00:57:47,020 --> 00:57:49,420
And it will make you more money

1211
00:57:49,420 --> 00:57:52,460
if you're in the record selling business.

1212
00:57:52,460 --> 00:57:55,220
Of course, I doubt that record companies will,

1213
00:57:55,220 --> 00:57:56,300
well, some will get desperate

1214
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:57,620
and some are small enough to do it,

1215
00:57:57,620 --> 00:57:58,820
but I think that we're just gonna see

1216
00:57:58,820 --> 00:58:00,500
new companies springing up,

1217
00:58:00,500 --> 00:58:03,140
grabbing this opportunity with both hands

1218
00:58:03,140 --> 00:58:05,700
and all the rest is in there.

1219
00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:10,180
We'll gladly use iTunes Music Store for the one-off sales,

1220
00:58:10,180 --> 00:58:12,380
but there's so much more to be done in packaging

1221
00:58:12,380 --> 00:58:15,580
with the multimedia capabilities that we have today.

1222
00:58:16,860 --> 00:58:19,700
One more note, final closing thought

1223
00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:21,460
as we roll up on the full hour

1224
00:58:21,460 --> 00:58:23,460
of the Daily Source Code for this Monday

1225
00:58:23,460 --> 00:58:26,380
is for Dave Slusher who threw a question out there

1226
00:58:26,380 --> 00:58:27,740
on Friday.

1227
00:58:27,740 --> 00:58:30,620
It's not a convenient day for me certainly to respond

1228
00:58:30,620 --> 00:58:32,500
because I don't tape until Monday,

1229
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:36,860
but I did remember to mention this.

1230
00:58:36,860 --> 00:58:37,700
He says, well, you know,

1231
00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:40,940
someone offered to put advertisements on his weblog

1232
00:58:40,940 --> 00:58:42,540
and pay him for it and he's saying,

1233
00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:44,100
well, let's say that they're on the up and up,

1234
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:45,620
you know, what should I do?

1235
00:58:45,620 --> 00:58:48,220
Should I only take advertisements for stuff

1236
00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:53,220
that I believe in for products that I believe in

1237
00:58:53,980 --> 00:58:57,060
or should I just take the money and, you know,

1238
00:58:57,060 --> 00:58:58,980
let it be that?

1239
00:58:58,980 --> 00:59:02,380
You know, these are really, really hard questions.

1240
00:59:02,380 --> 00:59:04,060
And it depends on what kind of content

1241
00:59:04,060 --> 00:59:05,940
or what kind of show you're putting together.

1242
00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:08,260
When it comes to a show like this,

1243
00:59:08,260 --> 00:59:10,580
I'll gladly tell you, but all the products that I love

1244
00:59:10,580 --> 00:59:13,020
and that I use and I'm happy that those people

1245
00:59:13,020 --> 00:59:15,980
will benefit from that endorsement.

1246
00:59:17,460 --> 00:59:21,780
If I were to get paid for it,

1247
00:59:21,780 --> 00:59:23,500
you know, I'd have to let you know about it.

1248
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:26,580
And I think that that's fair and everyone understands

1249
00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:29,740
that there's time and money involved in production.

1250
00:59:30,420 --> 00:59:32,860
I think everyone understands that, you know,

1251
00:59:32,860 --> 00:59:35,620
every chimney has to be a smoking.

1252
00:59:35,620 --> 00:59:38,100
So I don't think there's a problem there.

1253
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:40,780
But let me just give you my two rules of business,

1254
00:59:40,780 --> 00:59:44,260
which I have actually borrowed from a former partner of mine.

1255
00:59:46,380 --> 00:59:49,420
Rule number one, don't negotiate against yourself

1256
00:59:49,420 --> 00:59:50,340
because that's what you're doing.

1257
00:59:50,340 --> 00:59:51,900
Now, granted, you put it out there for us,

1258
00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:53,980
but don't negotiate against yourself.

1259
00:59:53,980 --> 00:59:56,060
And then number two,

1260
00:59:56,060 --> 00:59:58,220
if there's something you just really don't feel like doing,

1261
00:59:58,220 --> 00:59:59,860
then indeed, raise the price

1262
00:59:59,860 --> 01:00:02,100
because it will eventually become attractive.

1263
01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:04,860
And that's it for the source code for today.

1264
01:00:04,860 --> 01:00:07,140
Monday, the 27th of September, 2004.

1265
01:00:07,140 --> 01:00:07,980
I'm Adam Curry.

1266
01:00:07,980 --> 01:00:09,500
I am out of here.

1267
01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:10,660
Thanks for listening.

1268
01:00:10,660 --> 01:00:12,660
Power of your intelligence.

1269
01:00:16,100 --> 01:00:17,940
And as always, if you want to respond,

1270
01:00:17,940 --> 01:00:19,940
send me an email to adam at curry.com

1271
01:00:19,940 --> 01:00:23,540
or leave a comment on my weblog, live.curry.com.

1272
01:00:23,540 --> 01:00:25,940
Check out the archives of the daily source code

1273
01:00:25,940 --> 01:00:27,380
at dailysourcecode.com.

1274
01:00:27,420 --> 01:00:29,300
You can also pick up the podcast or feed.

1275
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:30,140
I'll see you tomorrow.

1276
01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:30,980
Bye-bye.

1277
01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:33,820
The power of your intelligence.

1278
01:00:33,820 --> 01:00:36,820
The power of your intelligence.