1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,300 Okay, are we calling this a trade secret? 2 00:00:04,300 --> 00:00:06,300 Yeah, why not? 3 00:00:06,300 --> 00:00:08,300 What else would you call it? 4 00:00:08,300 --> 00:00:11,300 I'd call it Dave and his bath robes. 5 00:00:11,300 --> 00:00:13,300 Exactly. 6 00:00:13,300 --> 00:00:15,300 Actually, I'm wearing shorts. 7 00:00:15,300 --> 00:00:18,300 Luckily, I'm not doing a soliloquy though. 8 00:00:18,300 --> 00:00:28,300 Let me just tell the trade secret listeners that we're using the SIP phone, the X10 phone. 9 00:00:28,300 --> 00:00:35,300 I think the quality is definitely lower than other systems we tried, but this is a very open protocol. 10 00:00:35,300 --> 00:00:37,300 So what time is it there, Dave? 11 00:00:37,300 --> 00:00:38,300 It must be the middle of night for you. 12 00:00:38,300 --> 00:00:40,300 Was it like 5 a.m., 6 a.m.? 13 00:00:40,300 --> 00:00:42,300 Yeah, no, it's 3 a.m. 14 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:44,300 2.56 a.m. 15 00:00:44,300 --> 00:00:47,300 I just did the open source release of Frontier. 16 00:00:47,300 --> 00:00:49,300 That was a big thing. 17 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:54,300 That's almost another way of measuring time. 18 00:00:54,300 --> 00:00:57,300 Okay, your computer problem is back now. 19 00:00:57,300 --> 00:00:59,300 They're cutting out again. 20 00:00:59,300 --> 00:01:01,300 Well, yeah, no. 21 00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:03,300 Just keep trying and we'll see how it sounds. 22 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:06,300 So much for recording this. 23 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:12,300 This computer, we're at the point, you know, Windows machines every so often you have to buy a new computer. 24 00:01:12,300 --> 00:01:14,300 It's the same with a Mac, Dave. 25 00:01:14,300 --> 00:01:17,300 Yeah, is it really? 26 00:01:17,300 --> 00:01:20,300 Yeah, mine's on the ropes here too. 27 00:01:20,300 --> 00:01:22,300 Is it really? 28 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:24,300 Maybe it's time to get like a new computer. 29 00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:27,300 Well, across the board, I'm quitting things. 30 00:01:27,300 --> 00:01:31,300 Well, what I wanted to do is, when we move is when I want to buy a new computer. 31 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:35,300 That's always a great time to buy a new PC is when you move, you know, new house, new stuff. 32 00:01:35,300 --> 00:01:38,300 It makes you feel good. 33 00:01:38,300 --> 00:01:40,300 Yeah. 34 00:01:40,300 --> 00:01:45,300 I just moved, so maybe my problem is that I haven't bought a new computer yet. 35 00:01:45,300 --> 00:01:53,300 I think what happens is, you get into all kinds of rooms. 36 00:01:53,300 --> 00:01:56,300 You get into all kinds of really heavy stuff that you're doing. 37 00:01:56,300 --> 00:02:01,300 I've been doing all this audio stuff and compressing and recording huge files and I can see it. 38 00:02:01,300 --> 00:02:07,300 You know, when my computer, someone goes wrong and I've had to hard reset it a couple of times in the past few weeks. 39 00:02:07,300 --> 00:02:12,300 You can see all these indirect orphan nodes, you know, and all this stuff and it's trying to say, 40 00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:17,300 I can't repair this and I've got, it should be five instead of four directory points. 41 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:20,300 And it's like, you know, that's not right. 42 00:02:20,300 --> 00:02:22,300 Yeah, that's part of it. 43 00:02:22,300 --> 00:02:28,300 The other part of it is, is that, you know, you're not really supposed to install any software on these things. 44 00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:32,300 Oh, of course, yeah. That's according to the license you mean. 45 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:37,300 Yeah, exactly the way the manufacturer sent it to you is how you're supposed to use it. 46 00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:46,300 And so, you know, you and I both, I think, have been in a lot of crazily installing all kinds of crap on our computers. 47 00:02:46,300 --> 00:02:48,300 Yeah. 48 00:02:48,300 --> 00:02:51,300 Those things have in turn been installing all kinds of crap. 49 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:53,300 Uh, yeah. 50 00:02:53,300 --> 00:02:56,300 You know, you think you said goodbye, you think. 51 00:02:56,300 --> 00:02:58,300 Bye to them, but. 52 00:02:58,300 --> 00:03:01,300 Should I tell you though, you know, your computer may be a little bit hosed right now, 53 00:03:01,300 --> 00:03:05,300 but I don't like this X10 at all. Do you have, why don't you put on your instant messenger? 54 00:03:05,300 --> 00:03:07,300 That's so much better. 55 00:03:07,300 --> 00:03:08,300 All right, let's do that. 56 00:03:08,300 --> 00:03:10,300 Okay, just, you can just turn it on during this college. 57 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:12,300 We shouldn't have to do too much. 58 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:14,300 Oh really? Okay, hold on. 59 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:17,300 Yeah, you turn it, let me see if you show up here on the screen. 60 00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:21,300 I explicitly quit though, that they have to figure out. 61 00:03:21,300 --> 00:03:24,300 Oh, but you have no idea how crappy this sounds. This sounds so shitty. 62 00:03:24,300 --> 00:03:26,300 I believe you, I believe you. 63 00:03:26,300 --> 00:03:29,300 You know, I got a call yesterday while we're doing this. 64 00:03:29,300 --> 00:03:32,300 I got a call yesterday from Steve Gilmore. 65 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:33,300 Steve Gilmore, yeah. 66 00:03:33,300 --> 00:03:35,300 I think you got one too. 67 00:03:35,300 --> 00:03:37,300 We spoke briefly. 68 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:42,300 Even when we're just fucking around and nothing's working, 69 00:03:42,300 --> 00:03:44,300 does he get the real kick out of what we're doing? 70 00:03:44,300 --> 00:03:47,300 Well, if you consider our audience, 71 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:50,300 I bet people get a kick out of that too. 72 00:03:50,300 --> 00:03:52,300 That's right. 73 00:03:52,300 --> 00:03:54,300 I'm doing soliloquy. 74 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:57,300 It's much better than soliloquy. 75 00:03:57,300 --> 00:04:01,300 It's the word of the week now officially, soliloquy. 76 00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:04,300 It's unscripted news actually, I'm linking to it right now. 77 00:04:04,300 --> 00:04:06,300 I have a little review of your, 78 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:08,300 if you want to go get your ego straight, 79 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:10,300 go read scripting right now. 80 00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:12,300 I'm glad I'm not wearing any underwear. 81 00:04:12,300 --> 00:04:14,300 No, that's perfect. 82 00:04:14,300 --> 00:04:20,300 Yeah, you would want to take it off if you were. 83 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:22,300 I'll check that out. 84 00:04:22,300 --> 00:04:25,300 I had a good time doing the source code yesterday. 85 00:04:25,300 --> 00:04:27,300 It was funny. 86 00:04:27,300 --> 00:04:30,300 It was so much shit I had to mask, so many clips and dits, 87 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:32,300 and people just sending all kinds of cool stuff. 88 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:34,300 Well, that's what I said. 89 00:04:34,300 --> 00:04:37,300 That's the milestone that you've hit basically, 90 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:41,300 that you've got now all this stuff coming at you. 91 00:04:41,300 --> 00:04:44,300 So it's really becoming a program. 92 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:46,300 It is, and it's funny. 93 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:48,300 Go ahead. 94 00:04:48,300 --> 00:04:51,300 No, that's all right. I'm getting on to AIM right now. 95 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:53,300 Okay, yeah, I see you there. 96 00:04:53,300 --> 00:04:56,300 I'm going to drop this call and then I'll call you back on AIM. 97 00:04:56,300 --> 00:04:58,300 All right. 98 00:04:58,300 --> 00:05:01,300 Okay, so I just hung up, 99 00:05:01,300 --> 00:05:04,300 I'm quitting this X-Lite phone. 100 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:07,300 Okay, Dave just showed up on the, 101 00:05:07,300 --> 00:05:10,300 how come this X-Lite phone won't go away? 102 00:05:10,300 --> 00:05:12,300 It has to go away. 103 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:14,300 Go away. 104 00:05:14,300 --> 00:05:16,300 Oh, I hate it when this happens. 105 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:19,300 So just sitting there, I'm going to try and get a hold of Dave. 106 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:20,300 Okay. 107 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:23,300 Well, that other thing is just sitting there 108 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:27,300 with the spinning beach ball of death. 109 00:05:27,300 --> 00:05:29,300 Okay. 110 00:05:29,300 --> 00:05:32,300 Calling in for it. 111 00:05:32,300 --> 00:05:36,300 Requesting the setup for the call. 112 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:40,300 Uh, ringing. 113 00:05:40,300 --> 00:05:43,300 You can answer anytime now. 114 00:05:47,300 --> 00:05:49,300 Hmm. 115 00:05:49,300 --> 00:05:51,300 Ah, there we go. 116 00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:53,300 Yeah. 117 00:05:53,300 --> 00:05:55,300 Oh yeah, so much better, man. 118 00:05:55,300 --> 00:05:56,300 You have no idea. 119 00:05:56,300 --> 00:05:57,300 Oh, good. 120 00:05:57,300 --> 00:05:58,300 Yeah, it really is. 121 00:05:58,300 --> 00:06:00,300 Oh, we should call it Steve Casey and say, 122 00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:01,300 hey, man, you did good. 123 00:06:01,300 --> 00:06:02,300 Your shit rocks, dude. 124 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:03,300 So, yeah. 125 00:06:03,300 --> 00:06:05,300 Yeah, so yeah, it was great stuff. 126 00:06:05,300 --> 00:06:08,300 I love that WGBH Boston is in her loop. 127 00:06:08,300 --> 00:06:09,300 Yeah, he sent me a new one. 128 00:06:09,300 --> 00:06:10,300 He sent me a new one today. 129 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:12,300 It's great. 130 00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:14,300 All this evangelism. 131 00:06:14,300 --> 00:06:20,300 I love the, the bit about how users talk about RSS. 132 00:06:20,300 --> 00:06:21,300 Yeah. 133 00:06:21,300 --> 00:06:23,300 I mean, that's the, that's the payoff. 134 00:06:23,300 --> 00:06:26,300 I mean, I so wanted to get out of that mode where, 135 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:29,300 you know, mostly what I'm hearing from are, 136 00:06:29,300 --> 00:06:32,300 you know, either the geeks who control everybody else 137 00:06:32,300 --> 00:06:35,300 or the users who are so intimidated by those geeks 138 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:38,300 that they have no confidence in what they're doing. 139 00:06:38,300 --> 00:06:39,300 Right. 140 00:06:39,300 --> 00:06:41,300 You know, those guys sound like they sort of understood 141 00:06:41,300 --> 00:06:43,300 what was going on and they just used their own 142 00:06:43,300 --> 00:06:45,300 term words to describe. 143 00:06:45,300 --> 00:06:48,300 I was the, the Link Linux show. 144 00:06:48,300 --> 00:06:49,300 Yeah. 145 00:06:49,300 --> 00:06:51,300 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 146 00:06:51,300 --> 00:06:55,300 And I liked a bit about the NAB and, 147 00:06:55,300 --> 00:07:00,300 and drive time and sort of where this is going. 148 00:07:00,300 --> 00:07:01,300 Oh, cool. 149 00:07:01,300 --> 00:07:02,300 Thank you. 150 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:03,300 Thank you. 151 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:06,300 Anyway, we had a leak bonafide leak yesterday 152 00:07:06,300 --> 00:07:11,300 and it appeared because of the open source release 153 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:18,300 plus a pointer to the audio blog post that I did 154 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:22,300 that discusses the release and why we did it 155 00:07:22,300 --> 00:07:25,300 and why we, you know, did it the way we did it 156 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:28,300 and what the product is and so forth. 157 00:07:28,300 --> 00:07:31,300 That ended up getting pointed to by Scott Young 158 00:07:31,300 --> 00:07:35,300 on Useland Weblog. 159 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:40,300 And so, so he said, he heard about it from Steve Kirk. 160 00:07:40,300 --> 00:07:41,300 Yeah. 161 00:07:41,300 --> 00:07:43,300 Steve Kirk said he heard about it from you. 162 00:07:43,300 --> 00:07:44,300 Well, wait a minute. 163 00:07:44,300 --> 00:07:46,300 What, what audio, did we discuss this? 164 00:07:46,300 --> 00:07:50,300 Yeah, we discussed this in a trade secrets, didn't we? 165 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:52,300 Oh, the trade secrets is fine. 166 00:07:52,300 --> 00:07:54,300 It was the one that I had pointed to from the 167 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:56,300 Frontier Colonel mail list. 168 00:07:56,300 --> 00:07:57,300 Yeah. 169 00:07:57,300 --> 00:07:59,300 It wasn't a trade secret until today. 170 00:07:59,300 --> 00:08:00,300 Now it's released. 171 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:03,300 It's not a big deal if you did point to it from your site. 172 00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:04,300 Of course. 173 00:08:04,300 --> 00:08:05,300 It wasn't a high secret. 174 00:08:05,300 --> 00:08:07,300 Why would I point to it? 175 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:08,300 Hold on. 176 00:08:08,300 --> 00:08:12,300 I mean, I hardly do blog posts anymore. 177 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:14,300 If I'd done a blog post, I wouldn't remember. 178 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:15,300 No, I believe you. 179 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:16,300 Adam, Adam. 180 00:08:16,300 --> 00:08:19,300 No, but I saw the email thread. 181 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:22,300 I'm like, well, but why did I? 182 00:08:22,300 --> 00:08:24,300 Well, let me just go back, Dave. 183 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:25,300 Let me just see. 184 00:08:25,300 --> 00:08:26,300 I believe you. 185 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:29,300 Actually, I wouldn't say I believe you if I didn't believe you. 186 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:30,300 Of course. 187 00:08:30,300 --> 00:08:31,300 It's just a puzzle. 188 00:08:31,300 --> 00:08:34,300 And then next time, I mean, I did put a disclaimer. 189 00:08:34,300 --> 00:08:41,300 I said, whoever told Scott about it probably didn't pass that on. 190 00:08:41,300 --> 00:08:45,300 Or whoever told Steve Kirk's about it probably didn't pass it on. 191 00:08:45,300 --> 00:08:50,300 That it was not to be treated as a public thing and whatever. 192 00:08:50,300 --> 00:08:52,300 It's water under the bridge. 193 00:08:52,300 --> 00:08:55,300 But that's just how it appears. 194 00:08:55,300 --> 00:08:59,300 No doubt it's done either because Andre did make some changes after the fact, 195 00:08:59,300 --> 00:09:00,300 but not major ones. 196 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:01,300 I found it. 197 00:09:01,300 --> 00:09:02,300 You know. 198 00:09:02,300 --> 00:09:04,300 You found what? 199 00:09:04,300 --> 00:09:06,300 Oh, shit. 200 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:07,300 What? 201 00:09:07,300 --> 00:09:08,300 You did do it. 202 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:09,300 Shit. 203 00:09:09,300 --> 00:09:10,300 Well, yes and no. 204 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:11,300 You're not going to believe this. 205 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:14,300 Oh, this is fucking classic. 206 00:09:14,300 --> 00:09:15,300 Oh, okay. 207 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:16,300 I get it. 208 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:30,300 So on the frontier kernel list, you posted a link to a Manila website with the source code? 209 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:31,300 No. 210 00:09:31,300 --> 00:09:32,300 Yeah. 211 00:09:32,300 --> 00:09:33,300 Yeah. 212 00:09:33,300 --> 00:09:34,300 Yeah. 213 00:09:34,300 --> 00:09:35,300 So what did I do? 214 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:36,300 I went, oh, okay. 215 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:37,300 That's handy. 216 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:41,300 And I immediately subscribed to it in my aggregator. 217 00:09:41,300 --> 00:09:44,300 Remember what happens when I subscribe to something in my aggregator? 218 00:09:44,300 --> 00:09:45,300 No, I got posted. 219 00:09:45,300 --> 00:09:47,300 I got posted to my web blog. 220 00:09:47,300 --> 00:09:48,300 I'm sorry. 221 00:09:48,300 --> 00:09:50,300 Well, Adam, you need to be more careful about that. 222 00:09:50,300 --> 00:09:51,300 Oh, no shit. 223 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:53,300 That was a big mistake. 224 00:09:53,300 --> 00:09:55,300 Oh, shit. 225 00:09:55,300 --> 00:09:56,300 Okay. 226 00:09:56,300 --> 00:09:57,300 I'm sorry. 227 00:09:57,300 --> 00:09:58,300 Listen, okay. 228 00:09:58,300 --> 00:10:02,300 Don't sweat too much because we were doing this low security mode anyway. 229 00:10:02,300 --> 00:10:03,300 Yeah. 230 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:06,300 If we really wanted high security, it would have been editors on the site 231 00:10:06,300 --> 00:10:10,300 and you would have needed a password to, you know, for anybody even access the RSS, 232 00:10:10,300 --> 00:10:12,300 they would have needed a password. 233 00:10:12,300 --> 00:10:13,300 Right. 234 00:10:13,300 --> 00:10:15,300 So you don't plan loose there and that's okay. 235 00:10:15,300 --> 00:10:17,300 Just, you know. 236 00:10:17,300 --> 00:10:18,300 I apologize. 237 00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:20,300 That was, that was dumb. 238 00:10:20,300 --> 00:10:21,300 You don't need to apologize. 239 00:10:21,300 --> 00:10:23,300 No, there's a lesson. 240 00:10:23,300 --> 00:10:28,300 I mean, security is something you have to constantly be vigilant about 241 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:32,300 and you will someday subscribe to something that's confidential 242 00:10:32,300 --> 00:10:37,300 and somehow need to think about that in terms of how public you are. 243 00:10:37,300 --> 00:10:40,300 Although, what did you say on the blog about secrets? 244 00:10:40,300 --> 00:10:43,300 Well, but was this a, well, yeah. 245 00:10:43,300 --> 00:10:46,300 Considering the title of this show, I guess you're right. 246 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:54,300 But was that a problem with userland or, you know, the fact that they didn't know? 247 00:10:54,300 --> 00:10:58,300 No, they knew, of course. 248 00:10:58,300 --> 00:11:01,300 The problem is this, is that when you're staging a release, 249 00:11:01,300 --> 00:11:06,300 basically you want to check out things with people before you actually release it 250 00:11:06,300 --> 00:11:09,300 so that you don't have to support anything that's broken in the future. 251 00:11:09,300 --> 00:11:14,300 You know, because if something's broken, you can fix it and only a very small number of people have it. 252 00:11:14,300 --> 00:11:18,300 If the thing leaks, then of course there's possibility that, you know, 253 00:11:18,300 --> 00:11:20,300 people are using a bad version of the software. 254 00:11:20,300 --> 00:11:24,300 So in general, you don't talk about things until, you know, 255 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:29,300 they're in the process of being released until the developer says it's okay to talk about it. 256 00:11:29,300 --> 00:11:30,300 Right. 257 00:11:30,300 --> 00:11:31,300 Okay. 258 00:11:31,300 --> 00:11:32,300 Well, you know about that. 259 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:33,300 Of course I do. 260 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:34,300 Yeah. 261 00:11:34,300 --> 00:11:35,300 And you also want your big, oh wow, moment. 262 00:11:35,300 --> 00:11:36,300 You don't want to, you know. 263 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:37,300 It's not in this case. 264 00:11:37,300 --> 00:11:38,300 No. 265 00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:42,300 We're setting the expectations low, very deliberately, 266 00:11:42,300 --> 00:11:44,300 tough releasing this thing. 267 00:11:44,300 --> 00:11:47,300 We don't want people to feel like the earth shook. 268 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:48,300 Oh, okay. 269 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:53,300 And because what eventually, inevitably happens if they do, 270 00:11:53,300 --> 00:11:58,300 is a thing where results and, you know, it attracts the slaps, 271 00:11:58,300 --> 00:12:00,300 daughters and they come tell you why, you know. 272 00:12:00,300 --> 00:12:01,300 Yeah. 273 00:12:01,300 --> 00:12:02,300 How much you suck. 274 00:12:02,300 --> 00:12:03,300 Yeah. 275 00:12:03,300 --> 00:12:04,300 Exactly. 276 00:12:04,300 --> 00:12:07,300 And that kills all the, you know, you want to build energy. 277 00:12:07,300 --> 00:12:08,300 Yeah. 278 00:12:08,300 --> 00:12:11,300 You don't want to expect a big bank because it can't happen anyway. 279 00:12:11,300 --> 00:12:13,300 This is a very large piece of software. 280 00:12:13,300 --> 00:12:17,300 Nobody is going to be able to make a contribution to it immediately. 281 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:22,300 It's going to take, you know, if you were completely up to speed on the 282 00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:26,300 kernel source code as I am and a few other people are, 283 00:12:26,300 --> 00:12:30,300 we won't be ready to release new things for quite a few months if ever, 284 00:12:30,300 --> 00:12:31,300 you know. 285 00:12:31,300 --> 00:12:34,300 So what's the process now? 286 00:12:34,300 --> 00:12:35,300 What's the process now? 287 00:12:35,300 --> 00:12:38,300 Is it just making sure it builds and then going back through stuff? 288 00:12:38,300 --> 00:12:40,300 And that's what I've been seeing on the list. 289 00:12:40,300 --> 00:12:41,300 Yeah. 290 00:12:41,300 --> 00:12:43,300 Right now it's paranoid. 291 00:12:43,300 --> 00:12:47,300 Did we release any horribly broken software? 292 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:53,300 We want this, what we released today, we want that to be a solid foundation 293 00:12:53,300 --> 00:12:56,300 for future development and we don't want to take any steps backwards. 294 00:12:56,300 --> 00:12:57,300 Right. 295 00:12:57,300 --> 00:13:00,300 In other words, you know, one source file got left out or something 296 00:13:00,300 --> 00:13:02,300 or an old version. 297 00:13:02,300 --> 00:13:06,300 This is far more common, an old version of some source file. 298 00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:09,300 You know, before 18,000 bucks were fixed. 299 00:13:09,300 --> 00:13:10,300 Yeah. 300 00:13:10,300 --> 00:13:12,300 It gets released and we lose all. 301 00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:13,300 You've had that happen, right? 302 00:13:13,300 --> 00:13:16,300 Where you saved an old version on top of a new version. 303 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:18,300 That was one of my finest hours. 304 00:13:18,300 --> 00:13:19,300 Yeah. 305 00:13:19,300 --> 00:13:20,300 Well, we do that all the time. 306 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:22,300 That's what programming is all about. 307 00:13:22,300 --> 00:13:23,300 They teach you that in school. 308 00:13:23,300 --> 00:13:25,300 Let's get that out of the way. 309 00:13:25,300 --> 00:13:28,300 You know, the first class is WeShut101. 310 00:13:29,300 --> 00:13:30,300 Right. 311 00:13:30,300 --> 00:13:32,300 I mean, that's Murphy Law. 312 00:13:32,300 --> 00:13:33,300 You're tuning into it. 313 00:13:33,300 --> 00:13:37,300 I've heard your daily source code go into depth on that 314 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:40,300 about how you can't predict success or else God will get you for that. 315 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:41,300 Right? 316 00:13:41,300 --> 00:13:42,300 Yeah, always. 317 00:13:42,300 --> 00:13:43,300 Always, always, always. 318 00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:45,300 So what the hell are you doing up so early, Dave? 319 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:46,300 I see this more often. 320 00:13:46,300 --> 00:13:48,300 I see you awake at like three in the morning. 321 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:50,300 I'm thinking like, you know, what's up with that? 322 00:13:50,300 --> 00:13:51,300 My schedule is all fucked up. 323 00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:54,300 It's like, it's totally, my schedule is just, you know, whatever. 324 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:56,300 I sleep when I want to sleep. 325 00:13:56,300 --> 00:13:58,300 I live in the middle of the city now. 326 00:13:58,300 --> 00:13:59,300 It's really something. 327 00:13:59,300 --> 00:14:01,300 This place is operating right now. 328 00:14:01,300 --> 00:14:04,300 It's not like New York, but it's, you know, I could go out and get coffee right now 329 00:14:04,300 --> 00:14:05,300 if I wanted to. 330 00:14:05,300 --> 00:14:06,300 Right. 331 00:14:06,300 --> 00:14:07,300 He gets some food, you know. 332 00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:08,300 It's like whatever. 333 00:14:08,300 --> 00:14:09,300 It's a city. 334 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:10,300 Yeah. 335 00:14:10,300 --> 00:14:11,300 I don't know. 336 00:14:11,300 --> 00:14:12,300 I'm getting ready to live on European time. 337 00:14:12,300 --> 00:14:14,300 I think I'm going to come to Europe after this. 338 00:14:14,300 --> 00:14:15,300 Oh, really? 339 00:14:15,300 --> 00:14:16,300 I don't know. 340 00:14:16,300 --> 00:14:17,300 After this is what? 341 00:14:17,300 --> 00:14:19,300 After BloggerCon or just next year? 342 00:14:19,300 --> 00:14:20,300 Yeah. 343 00:14:20,300 --> 00:14:21,300 Yeah. 344 00:14:21,300 --> 00:14:22,300 Okay. 345 00:14:22,300 --> 00:14:23,300 After BloggerCon after Seattle. 346 00:14:23,300 --> 00:14:24,300 Right. 347 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:25,300 Yeah. 348 00:14:25,300 --> 00:14:28,300 Well, we'll be in England by then, I hope. 349 00:14:28,300 --> 00:14:29,300 You will. 350 00:14:29,300 --> 00:14:30,300 Yeah. 351 00:14:30,300 --> 00:14:31,300 Yeah. 352 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:32,300 Oh, yeah. 353 00:14:32,300 --> 00:14:33,300 We're going to be, we're moving in December. 354 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:35,300 In fact, Friday, we're, uh, Patricia and I are going over there. 355 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:37,300 We're going to do all measurements and shit. 356 00:14:37,300 --> 00:14:42,300 We've got to try and figure out how we put our stuff into our new stuff receptacle. 357 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:44,300 Oh, yeah, right. 358 00:14:44,300 --> 00:14:46,300 That's funny. 359 00:14:46,300 --> 00:14:48,300 So, yeah. 360 00:14:48,300 --> 00:14:49,300 How big is this? 361 00:14:49,300 --> 00:14:50,300 Is this a castle too? 362 00:14:50,300 --> 00:14:51,300 No. 363 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:54,300 No, it's, uh, we, we definitely wanted something smaller. 364 00:14:54,300 --> 00:15:00,300 Um, we've had, let's see, we've had two huge houses, one on the canal in Amsterdam. 365 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:05,300 We have the castle and we have, you know, we have a lot of people running around doing 366 00:15:05,300 --> 00:15:09,300 stuff and, and cleaning stuff and mowing stuff. 367 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:12,300 And, um, we have a saying in Amsterdam. 368 00:15:12,300 --> 00:15:20,300 It's a, it's a old Yiddish, uh, saying, um, and I'll say it in, in Dutch first, 369 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:26,300 and that translates to, I wish you many employees. 370 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:29,300 And, uh, so that's one thing. 371 00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:31,300 We're just really tired of it, you know? 372 00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:34,300 And, uh, I mean, I'm really, I'm really tired of it. 373 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:36,300 Tired of just people in your space. 374 00:15:36,300 --> 00:15:37,300 I love these people. 375 00:15:37,300 --> 00:15:39,300 They're great, but you know, it's still, it's people in your space. 376 00:15:39,300 --> 00:15:40,300 No, you don't. 377 00:15:40,300 --> 00:15:41,300 They, you don't love them. 378 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:45,300 They work for you and that's a very different relationship from love. 379 00:15:45,300 --> 00:15:46,300 I mean. 380 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:47,300 Right. 381 00:15:47,300 --> 00:15:49,300 But they're in our personal love, but they're in our personal love space being 382 00:15:49,300 --> 00:15:50,300 taking up your love. 383 00:15:50,300 --> 00:15:51,300 Yes. 384 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:52,300 And they suck up energy. 385 00:15:52,300 --> 00:15:53,300 They suck up lots of energy. 386 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:54,300 Oh yeah. 387 00:15:54,300 --> 00:15:55,300 That's what other people do. 388 00:15:55,300 --> 00:15:56,300 That's what all people do. 389 00:15:56,300 --> 00:15:57,300 No, no, no. 390 00:15:57,300 --> 00:15:58,300 Absolutely not. 391 00:15:58,300 --> 00:16:00,300 You tried, you hired them and you created the job for it. 392 00:16:00,300 --> 00:16:03,300 This is the myth about making it and getting rich. 393 00:16:03,300 --> 00:16:04,300 Thank you. 394 00:16:04,300 --> 00:16:05,300 Well, thank you. 395 00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:06,300 You're so right. 396 00:16:06,300 --> 00:16:10,300 You find, what you find out is that money simply buys you distance. 397 00:16:10,300 --> 00:16:13,300 It buys you to be more distant from everybody else. 398 00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:14,300 Yeah. 399 00:16:14,300 --> 00:16:18,300 And part of the way it does it is by throwing all these people into your life that 400 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:22,300 you suck up all the energy that you can't have now for friends and family. 401 00:16:22,300 --> 00:16:23,300 You are so right. 402 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:26,300 You can't hang out with people who are at toys with you. 403 00:16:26,300 --> 00:16:29,300 These people are hanging out with you because you paid them. 404 00:16:29,300 --> 00:16:30,300 Yeah. 405 00:16:30,300 --> 00:16:32,300 It was a big difference. 406 00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:34,300 But they get confused as well. 407 00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:36,300 They get confused. 408 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:42,300 I've had many people who work for us who felt like, oh, they could pretty much become 409 00:16:42,300 --> 00:16:44,300 a member of the family. 410 00:16:44,300 --> 00:16:45,300 Right. 411 00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:47,300 And you get into really tough situations. 412 00:16:47,300 --> 00:16:52,300 But besides all that, and of course what happened with us, I don't know, I'm sure that it had 413 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:53,300 an effect. 414 00:16:53,300 --> 00:17:01,300 I know that had an effect on you was when Patricia got her angina pecturis, her heart disease, 415 00:17:01,300 --> 00:17:03,300 we said, fuck this. 416 00:17:03,300 --> 00:17:12,300 Why spend one more second on anybody or anything that we don't really want to do? 417 00:17:12,300 --> 00:17:13,300 Yeah. 418 00:17:13,300 --> 00:17:16,300 That's a basic question, isn't it? 419 00:17:16,300 --> 00:17:17,300 Right. 420 00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:18,300 And that's very important. 421 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:19,300 At the end of the day. 422 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:21,300 You can spend one second on it. 423 00:17:21,300 --> 00:17:27,300 I think both of our listeners know that we, both of us are either, let's say, rich or 424 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:30,300 certainly very comfortable. 425 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:37,300 And I haven't spent more than $50 on anything. 426 00:17:37,300 --> 00:17:42,300 You have such a perception of what wealth is all about and what it's going to bring 427 00:17:42,300 --> 00:17:43,300 you. 428 00:17:44,300 --> 00:17:52,300 In the past month, I have had more fun in four years' time just by sitting here fucking around 429 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:58,300 with people I've never met before until, of course, we met online, just plugging wires 430 00:17:58,300 --> 00:17:59,300 and shit together. 431 00:17:59,300 --> 00:18:05,300 But all the conversations that have been going on has been very enriching for me. 432 00:18:05,300 --> 00:18:06,300 Yeah. 433 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:07,300 I can tell that. 434 00:18:07,300 --> 00:18:10,300 I mean, you said it in your thing yesterday. 435 00:18:10,300 --> 00:18:15,300 It was like the days when it was K-101 or W-Z-101. 436 00:18:15,300 --> 00:18:16,300 W-H-Z-100. 437 00:18:16,300 --> 00:18:17,300 The radio station. 438 00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:18,300 Yeah. 439 00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:19,300 W-H-Z-100. 440 00:18:19,300 --> 00:18:20,300 Right. 441 00:18:20,300 --> 00:18:22,300 I mean, the times of growth are incredible. 442 00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:25,300 They don't come, you know, this is one of those times, basically. 443 00:18:25,300 --> 00:18:30,300 You know, I just sort of feel like BloggerCon is not on that track for me, though. 444 00:18:30,300 --> 00:18:31,300 It's weird. 445 00:18:31,300 --> 00:18:32,300 Really? 446 00:18:32,300 --> 00:18:35,300 You know, this is my third BloggerCon and now it's no, no longer all that. 447 00:18:35,300 --> 00:18:39,300 I mean, a lot of, well, by the way, thank you for writing the description. 448 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:40,300 I appreciate that. 449 00:18:40,300 --> 00:18:41,300 Yeah. 450 00:18:41,300 --> 00:18:43,300 Was that kind of what you were looking for? 451 00:18:43,300 --> 00:18:44,300 I don't know. 452 00:18:44,300 --> 00:18:45,300 It's up to you, really. 453 00:18:45,300 --> 00:18:46,300 Yeah. 454 00:18:46,300 --> 00:18:49,300 I mean, the point is, what do you want in that session? 455 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:50,300 It's really your stick. 456 00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:57,300 I mean, my job is to get you to pay attention to some very basic ground rules, you know? 457 00:18:57,300 --> 00:18:58,300 Right. 458 00:18:58,300 --> 00:18:59,300 No commercialism. 459 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:01,300 Keep the discussion going. 460 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:04,300 You know, don't allow people to repeat themselves. 461 00:19:04,300 --> 00:19:05,300 Yeah. 462 00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:08,300 You know, don't send people out into the hallway, please. 463 00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:12,300 I've heard that from some, I've now been talking with, I've talked with maybe about half of the 464 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:15,300 discussion leaders now. 465 00:19:15,300 --> 00:19:19,300 And I hear that and say, well, you know, one of the things I do is if somebody, you know, 466 00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:23,300 doesn't want to talk, I tell them to go out in the hallway and continue that stuff, because 467 00:19:23,300 --> 00:19:27,300 the whole point here is I want the discussion to stay in the room. 468 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:32,300 And of course, something they really have to say, then let's make space for them to 469 00:19:32,300 --> 00:19:33,300 say it, you know? 470 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:34,300 Yeah. 471 00:19:34,300 --> 00:19:38,300 You know, if they want to break a rule, though, then ask them not to break the rule. 472 00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:40,300 Don't send them out of the room. 473 00:19:40,300 --> 00:19:45,300 I mean, you know, and after that, it's really good to you what you want to do with that. 474 00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:46,300 Let me ask you a question, Dave. 475 00:19:46,300 --> 00:19:47,300 Sure. 476 00:19:47,300 --> 00:19:48,300 Let me ask you a question. 477 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:58,300 Did you work it out with Doug Kay for the, certainly the podcast of BloggerCon, if 478 00:19:58,300 --> 00:20:00,300 not direct live streaming webcast? 479 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:01,300 No, not yet. 480 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:03,300 No, I haven't talked with him at all. 481 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:08,300 What has to happen first is I have to get down to Stanford and then, you know, 482 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:13,300 basically have some conversations with people there about, you know, just 483 00:20:13,300 --> 00:20:16,300 basically what's there for us to use. 484 00:20:16,300 --> 00:20:20,300 Doug's going to ask that question first and, you know, he's going to need to 485 00:20:20,300 --> 00:20:25,300 know that answer and, you know, I don't know the answer. 486 00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:31,300 You know, I would prefer if we could, you know, basically rely as little as 487 00:20:31,300 --> 00:20:34,300 possible on what's present there. 488 00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:39,300 My experience with the last BloggerCon was that because, I think because we did 489 00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:44,300 that, we didn't even end up, not only did we have a webcast, we didn't end up 490 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:45,300 with recordings. 491 00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:49,300 We aren't MP3s on the BloggerCon site from that conference. 492 00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:50,300 The conference is lost. 493 00:20:50,300 --> 00:20:51,300 Yeah, that sucks. 494 00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:55,300 And it does suck because it was a lot of good shit that happened there. 495 00:20:55,300 --> 00:20:59,300 And, you know, it's sort of like, you know, me as much putting on my IT hat 496 00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:00,300 here, you know. 497 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:02,300 It's like, what are good strategies? 498 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:05,300 These guys talk about strategies and, you know, there really is a strategy 499 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:06,300 of this stuff. 500 00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:08,300 It's like, okay, do you aim low? 501 00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:14,300 You know, if you aim low and with a higher probability of success, then I 502 00:21:14,300 --> 00:21:16,300 would, I think that I would prefer to do that. 503 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:20,300 In other words, would I trade off the webcast against a higher 504 00:21:20,300 --> 00:21:23,300 probability that we actually end up with a, you know, MP3 for each 505 00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:24,300 subject? 506 00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:25,300 Oh, totally. 507 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:26,300 Oh, I would totally trade that off. 508 00:21:26,300 --> 00:21:27,300 Right. 509 00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:28,300 So we're in agreement on that. 510 00:21:28,300 --> 00:21:29,300 Oh, totally. 511 00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:30,300 Yeah. 512 00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:31,300 Right. 513 00:21:31,300 --> 00:21:32,300 So, okay, so let's work this through. 514 00:21:32,300 --> 00:21:36,300 So then the question really is, first of all, can we get somebody 515 00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:39,300 in each room with a laptop and a microphone and an ability to 516 00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:42,300 record, okay, number one? 517 00:21:42,300 --> 00:21:46,300 Number two, and I think that we probably could do that, okay? 518 00:21:46,300 --> 00:21:48,300 We probably could organize that well enough. 519 00:21:48,300 --> 00:21:49,300 Yeah. 520 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:51,300 Certainly with the people that are coming to your session. 521 00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:53,300 Well, all we really need for the other rooms, Dave, is, you 522 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:56,300 know, if we can supply the microphones, you know, if we 523 00:21:56,300 --> 00:21:59,300 have like four rooms or five rooms, if we have a mic in each 524 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:03,300 room with a mini three and a half inch jack on one end, then 525 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:06,300 almost anyone in that room will be able to record the 526 00:22:06,300 --> 00:22:07,300 session for us. 527 00:22:07,300 --> 00:22:08,300 Right. 528 00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:09,300 Right. 529 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:10,300 That's my point, you know. 530 00:22:10,300 --> 00:22:14,300 And then, you know, and then having somebody who's very 531 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:18,300 good with, you know, with a notebook and writing down the 532 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:21,300 names and then pulling teeth to get the recordings out of 533 00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:24,300 the people, because, you know, as much as, this is, I 534 00:22:24,300 --> 00:22:26,300 talked to Scoble about this, and have you ever run a 535 00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:27,300 conference? 536 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:28,300 Yeah. 537 00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:30,300 One of the things that running a conference teaches you is 538 00:22:30,300 --> 00:22:35,300 that you spend a lot of time just asking over and over 539 00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:38,300 and over again for the things you need, and people 540 00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:40,300 just don't want to do it. 541 00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:44,300 So that's probably, you know, the problem was that 542 00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:46,300 Jay McCarthy's house burned down. 543 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:47,300 Oh, shit. 544 00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:49,300 That's probably why we don't have, yeah, yeah. 545 00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:51,300 It's probably why we don't have the MP3s. 546 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:55,300 We had MP3s, but they burned in the fire? 547 00:22:55,300 --> 00:22:57,300 No, that's not what happened. 548 00:22:57,300 --> 00:23:00,300 What happened was he got busy doing other things and 549 00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:03,300 couldn't babysit, couldn't, like, you know, twist 550 00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:05,300 arms to get people to give them what they needed. 551 00:23:05,300 --> 00:23:06,300 Right. 552 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:08,300 And I certainly didn't want to twist his arm because 553 00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:10,300 fuck his house just burned down. 554 00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:12,300 I'm sorry, dude. 555 00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:14,300 You have to drop that. 556 00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:16,300 Well, you know, here's why I asked. 557 00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:17,300 We've got to get our MP3. 558 00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:19,300 Here's why I asked. 559 00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:21,300 Because I know Doug could certainly do it, 560 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:22,300 and I know he would. 561 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:24,300 Well, of course, we wanted to do it for no money. 562 00:23:24,300 --> 00:23:25,300 Yeah. 563 00:23:25,300 --> 00:23:28,300 So why don't we, hold on. 564 00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:30,300 He sent me something that I wanted to play. 565 00:23:30,300 --> 00:23:32,300 Yeah, I mean, I would have to... 566 00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:33,300 Hello? 567 00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:35,300 Ah, we're back. 568 00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:36,300 Yeah. 569 00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:37,300 Sorry. 570 00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:38,300 I don't know what went wrong. 571 00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:39,300 I would have to do it. 572 00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:40,300 Here's the... 573 00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:41,300 Yeah? 574 00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:42,300 Yeah. 575 00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:43,300 Listen, you listen to me? 576 00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:44,300 Yeah. 577 00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:46,300 I would have to do it, and I will if he wants to. 578 00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:48,300 I mean, you know, there's a nice guy at everything. 579 00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:52,300 He's not politically, you know, I'm worried. 580 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:56,300 It's like the Stanford thing here is like, you know, 581 00:23:56,300 --> 00:23:59,300 I want to make sure that we're, you know, 582 00:23:59,300 --> 00:24:03,300 in good solid ground with them before adding any other variables to it. 583 00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:04,300 Yeah. 584 00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:06,300 Because that's a whole other side to it. 585 00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:07,300 At Harvard, I was there. 586 00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:08,300 I was on site. 587 00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:09,300 I knew people. 588 00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:16,300 And even with that, okay, we still had a bunch of meltdowns 589 00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:18,300 on a sort of human level. 590 00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:21,300 And, you know, none of that showed through in the conference, I don't think. 591 00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:24,300 And, you know, it came off pretty well, you know. 592 00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:25,300 But you have that. 593 00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:26,300 That happened. 594 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:32,300 And the thing I'm afraid of is that we have that meltdown, 595 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:35,300 but I'm so far away that I don't even know what happened. 596 00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:38,300 And I don't have a rapport with the people he's working with. 597 00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:41,300 And then the conference gets blown up, you know what I mean? 598 00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:42,300 Right, right. 599 00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:45,300 It all goes back to, you know, to setting your priorities. 600 00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:48,300 And could I do a blog or com without a webcast? 601 00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:49,300 Obviously. 602 00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:50,300 Yeah, of course. 603 00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:51,300 You did it, you know. 604 00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:52,300 Yeah, we could do one without it. 605 00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:56,300 So I have to make sure that the conference is, you know, we're on, 606 00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:59,300 you know, because the bigger problem I have for the conference, 607 00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:02,300 and this is going to be something I'm probably going to start within a few days, 608 00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:04,300 after I get a couple more sessions announced, 609 00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:06,300 is that we've got to raise some money. 610 00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:08,300 And, you know. 611 00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:10,300 How much money do we need? 612 00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:16,300 Probably 25,000, something like that. 613 00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:17,300 Holy shit. 614 00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:18,300 That's a lot of money. 615 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:19,300 Well, that's not much. 616 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:21,300 You think it's a lot of money. 617 00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:22,300 I think we can raise that kind of money. 618 00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:23,300 I don't think it's a problem. 619 00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:24,300 Sure. 620 00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:26,300 That's what we spent at the first two. 621 00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:27,300 I mean, you know. 622 00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:28,300 Yeah. 623 00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:31,300 You know, it's basically you have to pay for some of the facilities. 624 00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:33,300 You have to pay for food. 625 00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:35,300 If we want to have refreshments, we're going to have to, 626 00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:36,300 we have to pay for that. 627 00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:39,300 Who underwrote that last time, Dave? 628 00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:43,300 It was a combination of things. 629 00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:46,300 It was, some of it was from donations, 630 00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:48,300 from people who just gave money like yourself. 631 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:50,300 You gave $1,000. 632 00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:52,300 I gave $1,000. 633 00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:54,300 Microsoft gave some money. 634 00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:56,300 I don't remember the exact amount. 635 00:25:56,300 --> 00:25:58,300 Oh, Dave, all of a sudden, I have a great idea. 636 00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:00,300 We can do a pledge drive. 637 00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:02,300 Yeah, we're going to do a pledge drive. 638 00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:06,300 Adam and Dave are going to stay on there until we have 25,000 dollars. 639 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:09,300 Oh, wow. 640 00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:12,300 Yeah, then you're going to go back to that Moroccan hash bar. 641 00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:14,300 And you're going to pick up a piece. 642 00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:20,300 When you come over to Europe, you're going to hang out with my buddies 643 00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:22,300 at Purple Rain in the Moroccan hash bar. 644 00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:23,300 They're cool, man. 645 00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:25,300 By the way, they were wrong. 646 00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:27,300 You guys were wrong. 647 00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:30,300 I mean, Bush and Kerry are not the same thing. 648 00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:32,300 I mean, Bush is depraved. 649 00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:34,300 He really is evil, you know? 650 00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:37,300 Somebody, I heard this on CNN yesterday. 651 00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:39,300 This is really right on. 652 00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:41,300 They were interviewing some Arab guy. 653 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:45,300 And they were talking about, he was like Iraqi or Jordanian 654 00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:46,300 or something like that. 655 00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:47,300 He was very smart. 656 00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:50,300 And you know, the problem is that you got these assholes 657 00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:51,300 running around. 658 00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:54,300 Like, what's the name of the guy who keeps cutting people's heads off? 659 00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:56,300 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 660 00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:58,300 You know what I mean? 661 00:26:58,300 --> 00:26:59,300 The way me and whatever. 662 00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:00,300 Yeah, this guy, I know what you mean. 663 00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:01,300 Yeah. 664 00:27:01,300 --> 00:27:03,300 Mr. Fucking asshole. 665 00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:04,300 Yeah. 666 00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:05,300 People's heads off. 667 00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:07,300 Yeah, this is not a nice guy. 668 00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:12,300 But then you got George Bush, who's laughing about the whole thing. 669 00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:14,300 I mean, that's what he's doing. 670 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,300 The Republican talking points are he's on the air 671 00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:21,300 and laughs at whoever is saying that you're fucking up. 672 00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:22,300 He's laughing at them. 673 00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:25,300 And it is the most horrible thing to listen to these guys. 674 00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:27,300 They're really good at it. 675 00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:29,300 And they're really nasty. 676 00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:32,300 And the other guys just won't stoop that low. 677 00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:37,300 I mean, it's like the Democrats just sitting there scratching 678 00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:40,300 their asses going, we can't do that to praise. 679 00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:42,300 We're just not that bad. 680 00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:43,300 That's true. 681 00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:44,300 That's true. 682 00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:45,300 But is it effective? 683 00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:46,300 Is this strategy effective? 684 00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:47,300 That's why the Republicans are winning. 685 00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:50,300 I mean, the Republicans are winning because the people 686 00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:54,300 don't know who's telling the truth. 687 00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:57,300 And they've managed to sort of like, you know, 688 00:27:57,300 --> 00:28:02,300 put so much doubt on that that, you know, people just. 689 00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:05,300 So it really is important, I think, 690 00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:07,300 that people vote for John Kerry. 691 00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:08,300 Yeah. 692 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:09,300 Hello? 693 00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:11,300 Yeah, I'm going to be there anyway. 694 00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:13,300 Yeah, it's not the same thing. 695 00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:15,300 I think we have a lot bigger holes to dig out of 696 00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:16,300 if we relic this. 697 00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:17,300 But yeah. 698 00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:18,300 No, I know. 699 00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:19,300 I totally agree. 700 00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:23,300 But I think the point that we came up with. 701 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:24,300 Hello. 702 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:25,300 Yeah. 703 00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:26,300 Can you hear me, Dave? 704 00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:27,300 Hello? 705 00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:28,300 Yeah, I'm here. 706 00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:29,300 Yeah, I hear you. 707 00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:30,300 I'm here. 708 00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:31,300 I'm here. 709 00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:32,300 Okay. 710 00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:36,300 The point that we hit on is that in government, 711 00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:40,300 it's so intertwined with so many conflicts of interest 712 00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:43,300 and so much shit that, and, you know, 713 00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:45,300 Kerry will bring some of that with him too. 714 00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:46,300 But I do agree. 715 00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:47,300 Yes. 716 00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:49,300 It must be something wrong with your computer, Dave. 717 00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:50,300 I hear you fine. 718 00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:54,300 What is wrong here? 719 00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:57,300 What is the problem, man? 720 00:28:57,300 --> 00:28:59,300 I hear you perfectly. 721 00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:00,300 Oh, I did hear you perfectly. 722 00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:01,300 Can you hear me? 723 00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:02,300 Yeah. 724 00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:03,300 Oh, wait. 725 00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:04,300 You can't hear me. 726 00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:05,300 Hello, hello, hello. 727 00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:06,300 What's going on? 728 00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:08,300 Hold on, hold on, hold on. 729 00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:09,300 Hold on. 730 00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:10,300 Ah. 731 00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:11,300 Okay. 732 00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:12,300 Why am I? 733 00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:13,300 Why are you not? 734 00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:14,300 Oh, you know. 735 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:15,300 Why are you not? 736 00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:16,300 I play music here. 737 00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:17,300 Yeah, but why are you not hearing me? 738 00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:18,300 You know that. 739 00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:20,300 Uh, this is weird. 740 00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:22,300 Uh, hello? 741 00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:23,300 Hello, hello, hello? 742 00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:24,300 Hello? 743 00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:25,300 Yeah. 744 00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:26,300 Can you hear me? 745 00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:27,300 Maybe we can try. 746 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:28,300 Yeah, I can kind of hear you. 747 00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:29,300 Yeah, you can hear this one. 748 00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:31,300 You can't hear that either, huh? 749 00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:33,300 I can hear you fine now. 750 00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:36,300 You're sounding very good. 751 00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:40,300 Okay, but you should be able to hear this as well. 752 00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:43,300 I don't know what it is that I'm supposed to be hearing. 753 00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:44,300 Do you hear me now? 754 00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:45,300 Hello? 755 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:46,300 Hello, hello? 756 00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:47,300 Okay. 757 00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:49,300 I can hear you fine. 758 00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:52,300 Well, hold on a second. 759 00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:55,300 I hate it when this happens. 760 00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:56,300 Okay. 761 00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:58,300 Now, can you hear me? 762 00:29:58,300 --> 00:29:59,300 I hear... 763 00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:00,300 Oh, yeah. 764 00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:01,300 Okay. 765 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:02,300 Yeah, man. 766 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:03,300 Then we're good to go. 767 00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:04,300 Then we're good to go. 768 00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:06,300 I'm going to play you some music now. 769 00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:08,300 You're going to play me some music. 770 00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:09,300 Yeah. 771 00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:10,300 Okay. 772 00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:34,300 Yup. 773 00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:36,300 They did. 774 00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:38,300 They got something. 775 00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:39,300 Yeah. 776 00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:41,300 You know what I forgot? 777 00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:42,300 What? 778 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:44,300 It's 3 a.m. here. 779 00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:48,300 And you just turned it up to, like, Max and everyone's chilling out? 780 00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:49,300 Oh, yeah. 781 00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:51,300 You're chilling all right. 782 00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:53,300 Yeah, you sent me a link to that. 783 00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:54,300 What was up with that? 784 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:56,300 Is that your song of the day? 785 00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:58,300 I was just moving into that song. 786 00:30:58,300 --> 00:31:00,300 I just thought it was, like, wow. 787 00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:02,300 Have you heard the New Prince album? 788 00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:03,300 No. 789 00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:05,300 I'm still catching up on the old ones. 790 00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:06,300 Oh, man. 791 00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:07,300 Hold on. 792 00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:08,300 Hold on. 793 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:09,300 Hold on. 794 00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:10,300 You got to check this out. 795 00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:11,300 This will kill you. 796 00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:12,300 Oh, man. 797 00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:14,300 This new album, Musicology? 798 00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:15,300 Good. 799 00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:16,300 What? 800 00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:18,300 I got to ask him a couple of questions. 801 00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:20,300 We got to get him on the show here. 802 00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:21,300 Come on. 803 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:22,300 He'll come on. 804 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:23,300 He'll come on. 805 00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:24,300 Check this out, dude. 806 00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:25,300 Check this out. 807 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:26,300 This is from Musicology. 808 00:31:26,300 --> 00:31:27,300 Ooh. 809 00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:28,300 Ooh. 810 00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:29,300 It's completely old-school. 811 00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:31,300 Yeah, it's completely old-school Prince. 812 00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:37,300 Ooh. 813 00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:39,300 Ooh, that's nice. 814 00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:41,300 Yeah, it's cool, isn't it? 815 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:48,300 That's like James Brown. 816 00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:50,300 Oh, well, totally James Brown. 817 00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:58,300 His shit is, it rocks so hard. 818 00:31:58,300 --> 00:32:00,300 He's really, really good. 819 00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:01,300 Yeah. 820 00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:05,300 I mean, how many other, like, how much more music do you need? 821 00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:06,300 I mean, that's sort of- 822 00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:07,300 Besides Prince? 823 00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:08,300 Yeah. 824 00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:10,300 It's, you know, it's Prince and that, you know- 825 00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:13,300 Listen, I'm really, you know, this thing's coming in and out. 826 00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:15,300 I can't hear anything right now. 827 00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:16,300 I don't know if you can hear me. 828 00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:19,300 I can hear you, no problem. 829 00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:21,300 Yeah, there must be something. 830 00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:24,300 Your machine is messed up, dude. 831 00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:29,300 All right, well, listen. 832 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:33,300 What else do we want to talk about at 3AM your time? 833 00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:35,300 You know, if you can hear me, 834 00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:38,300 I'm thinking about buying a new computer just for this. 835 00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:40,300 Yeah, buy a Mac. 836 00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:42,300 Buy a Mac. 837 00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:43,300 I can't hear anything. 838 00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:48,300 Buy a Mac. 839 00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:50,300 Did you hear me? 840 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:51,300 Hold on. 841 00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:54,300 I heard you say, did you hit? 842 00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:55,300 Did you hit? 843 00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:57,300 I said, buy a Mac. 844 00:32:57,300 --> 00:32:59,300 Oh, buy a Mac. 845 00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:01,300 Why would I want to do that? 846 00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:04,300 But you said Macs have the same problem. 847 00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:05,300 What? 848 00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:07,300 This is so horrible. 849 00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:10,300 I thought you said that Macs have the same problem. 850 00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:12,300 Oh, you can hear me now again? 851 00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:15,300 Yeah. 852 00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:17,300 Not as bad. 853 00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:19,300 I can read what you're writing. 854 00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:21,300 I can't hear you. 855 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:23,300 No as bad, no. 856 00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:24,300 I see. 857 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:25,300 You can hear me fine. 858 00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:26,300 Yeah, no problem. 859 00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:27,300 No problem at all. 860 00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:28,300 So I should just talk. 861 00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:29,300 Yeah. 862 00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,300 What do I want to say? 863 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:33,300 Well, yeah. 864 00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:36,300 Boy, I would really like to get a computer that works. 865 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:39,300 That's what I want to say. 866 00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:42,300 Listen, if you can't hear me, this is going to be useless. 867 00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:46,300 This is funny that Steve Gilmore said he really enjoyed all of our 868 00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:50,300 trials and tribulations trying to get that shit to work the other day. 869 00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:54,300 Yeah, but how long will it stay? 870 00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:57,300 If you want me to hear what you're saying, you have to type it. 871 00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:58,300 Yeah. 872 00:33:58,300 --> 00:33:59,300 Hold on. 873 00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:01,300 Meanwhile, it won't stay for too long. 874 00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:02,300 Meanwhile, assistance calling. 875 00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:03,300 Crystalline, believe so too. 876 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:05,300 It's mostly pretty sad, actually. 877 00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:06,300 Goodbye. 878 00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:08,300 Oh, man. 879 00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:12,300 Well, this isn't this. 880 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:15,300 I think we've done an excellent job for today. 881 00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:17,300 I mean, there's really more I'd like to say. 882 00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:19,300 Actually, there is one thing I want to say. 883 00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:20,300 Okay. 884 00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:21,300 I want to say something, okay? 885 00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:27,300 That some asshole went onto our website, went onto our blog, and said, you know, 886 00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:31,300 how it says, this is a bad place for fans of George Bush. 887 00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:32,300 Yeah. 888 00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:37,300 And what he said was, I don't think it's such a bad place for fans of 889 00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:38,300 George Bush. 890 00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:43,300 And I thought to myself, we really need to do something about that. 891 00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:46,300 We need to be putting that guy down some more. 892 00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:49,300 You know, yeah, I got a smiley. 893 00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:53,300 I mean, I said, jeez, I thought this shit was working. 894 00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:54,300 Oh, man. 895 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:57,300 I mean, there are people who support George Bush listening to this thing, 896 00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:00,300 and their blood pressure isn't going up. 897 00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:02,300 Yeah, I hope so. 898 00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:05,300 I'm not too happy about dots, mom. 899 00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:06,300 Yeah. 900 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:11,300 Okay, time to get out of here. 901 00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:14,300 You know what, would you tell the folks, yeah, would you tell the folks 902 00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:15,300 goodbye for me? 903 00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:16,300 I can't hear a word you're saying. 904 00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:17,300 Okay. 905 00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:18,300 I think we need to do that. 906 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:19,300 Okay. 907 00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:22,300 And we'll reconvene at some point in the future soon. 908 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:24,300 Okay, Dave, as we... 909 00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:26,300 Actually, I have one more thing to say. 910 00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:28,300 Keep on doing that daily source code. 911 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,300 You kicking butt, damn man. 912 00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:32,300 That's really good stuff. 913 00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:35,300 Yeah, let me reply to them. 914 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:36,300 Right on. 915 00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:39,300 And I'll say theme music. 916 00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:42,300 Okay. 917 00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:43,300 Right? 918 00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:44,300 Okay. 919 00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:45,300 That's it, everybody. 920 00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:47,300 We'll catch you next time on Trade Secrets. 921 00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:48,300 Let's get the fuck out of here. 922 00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:50,300 Bye-bye, everybody. 923 00:35:51,250 --> 00:36:08,300 [ Music ] 924 00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:11,300 You don't need conference speakers.