1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Hello there friends, family, go- 2 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,000 I'm Adam Curry, welcome you to the Thursday edition. 3 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Today is October 7th, 2004 and we're ready to rock. 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,000 We got some interesting things happening today. 5 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:39,000 And that would be the fact that we're going to be doing a video about the 6 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:43,000 two days. Once again life has kind of gotten in the way of doing the podcast. I told you 7 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:48,000 yesterday it takes about an hour and a half these days to get everything queued up and 8 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,000 get everything pre-produced and then it takes at least half an hour, sometimes an hour or 9 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:58,000 longer to get the show going. And then another hour to make sure the compression is done 10 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,000 right and get up to the server. And today life got in the way of all the 11 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000 to the flat screen factory for a shareholders meeting. 12 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,000 Which means I've been on the road all day. 13 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Right now it is sort of living at 640. 14 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,000 I am at Skippal Airport in the parking garage in my car. 15 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,000 I'm just going to buckle in here. 16 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 OK. 17 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:26,000 I had to. 18 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000 Well, you know it's one of these things. 19 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 I don't know if it's the same way in the States, but if you 20 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:36,000 want to get more than 250 euros, so about, what is that 21 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,000 these days, about $290. 22 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,000 If you want to get more than $300 from a cash 23 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,000 machine from an ATM, you have to go to a bank. 24 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Banks, of course, suck because they know 25 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,000 the touristy close way too early. 26 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,000 So the only other place to get anything above that amount 27 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,000 is at Skippal Airport, which is kind of conveniently 28 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,000 on the way home. 29 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,000 No, not really convenient. 30 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,000 From here it's one road home. 31 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,000 And I'm just about to look at the, I'm in my Audi. 32 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,000 I have an Audi A8. 33 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Love this car. 34 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,000 It's got all the gadgets you want. 35 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,000 It's got all the technology. 36 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,000 Yet it's kind of boring. 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,000 Not really sexy. 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,000 Now I have been my navigation here. 39 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,000 Let me just see. 40 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,000 I'm going to set up for actually. 41 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:26,500 start the car first. Okay, I'm going to set it up, take me to the castle, hold on, 42 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:31,500 there we go. And I'm not gonna put the guidance voice on because that's that's 43 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:37,500 kind of wacky. Although actually my, well now I'm not gonna do that. Okay, that means 44 00:02:37,500 --> 00:02:43,500 top-up washer fluid. Okay, let me just check my my route here and go to, okay, 45 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:47,500 so Amsterdam Delft, I'm gonna get on the A4, 3, 46 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:57,000 between Delph. Okay, so it shouldn't be too bad. Let me see if there's a traffic report 47 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,000 memo. 48 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 On 35 files in the meester, they're high from 5 km long. 49 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Okay, so there's 35 traffic jams. Each one is about... 50 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Each one is about 5 km. What's cool about this traffic system is that it actually records 51 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,000 the traffic reports from the radio. So on all the stations here in... 52 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Most of them in Europe actually, when there's a traffic report, they hit a button 53 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,000 so it'll interrupt your radio no matter what station or CD you're listening to. 54 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,000 But this car actually also records, and I have a list of like... 55 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,000 I had about 10 traffic reports there, each about 5 minutes apart. 56 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Hey, you know what? It's traffic. You're basically fucked no matter what. 57 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,000 Tell you what, I'm going to get out of the garage here, 58 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,000 and meanwhile why don't we crank up some driving music, sniffing... 59 00:03:51,250 --> 00:07:36,250 [ Music ] 60 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:40,500 Yeah, sniffing the tears, driver's seat on your right. 61 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Sorry about that. It's kind of hard to drive and switch stuff at the same time. 62 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Okay, now we're all set up. Okay, so I'm out of the parking garage. I am now 63 00:07:54,000 --> 00:08:00,000 twirling. I want to get out of here people. Okay, you know what's great about 64 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:06,000 these navigations systems? Hold on a second. Let me just remove the 65 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:13,000 earphones. Oh boy. Come on people. Let my hand. Let my hand. Here we go. What's great 66 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:19,000 about these navigation systems is that when the road is changed as frequently 67 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:24,000 happens at airports then it gets really confused about where to send you but I 68 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:29,000 just follow the signs now. Okay, so I've got about well depending on traffic let 69 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:37,000 me see right now it's eight minutes seven and I'll be arriving at 825 now that's 70 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,000 if there's no traffic whatsoever so I don't even think my laptop battery is 71 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,000 gonna kind of keep it up. 72 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:46,500 up for that long. So we'll probably just be able to get a good hour showing because there 73 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:53,500 is a lot to talk about today. And what was nice on the way up, I had some time to check 74 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:59,500 out some podcasts. I've got to tell you, this has really taken off ever since I really 75 00:08:59,500 --> 00:09:05,500 started focusing on the podcast directory, which of course can be found on iPodder.org. 76 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:09,500 It just keeps on coming. I mean, I think this morning I added another five. Yesterday 77 00:09:09,500 --> 00:09:13,500 I must have added 10 or 15. And that's just the people have everything 78 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:20,500 all together. I'm getting daily requests for additions to the directory 79 00:09:20,500 --> 00:09:25,500 from people who have a show that they have on their site or linked from 80 00:09:25,500 --> 00:09:28,500 somewhere, but they don't have a feed-up yet. And trying to help most of those 81 00:09:28,500 --> 00:09:32,500 people, most of them are getting helped out one way or the other. 82 00:09:32,500 --> 00:09:37,500 Just close the roof there, give us a little bit of sound. 83 00:09:37,500 --> 00:09:44,500 So I listened to some really good shows and obviously I was able to start 84 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:51,000 sniffing a tear song and I probably can do the theme song at the end of the show. 85 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:56,000 It's a little too much to be cruising through segments and pulling out bits today. 86 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,000 But I do have my iPod handy. 87 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,000 And what I'll do is I just want to talk about a few of these podcasts because it's just 88 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 so lovely. 89 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:09,000 And then when I get home, I'll edit in just a couple of bits so you can hear what's 90 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,000 up. 91 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,000 So it's almost live. 92 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,000 It's live on tape, right? 93 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:20,000 So first there's the Dawn and Drew show, a husband and wife team, which just 94 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,000 cracked me up. 95 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,000 And it's good to hear a woman's voice on a podcast. 96 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,000 And so far it's been men, men, men, men, men. 97 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 And so they just kind of shoot the breeze. 98 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000 But they're fighting together. 99 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:36,000 You know, when you have a husband and wife team that have known each other 100 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,000 for a while, when they talk, they kind of feel in the blanks and they can 101 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,000 also rank on each other a bit from the Dawn and Drew show. 102 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Welcome to the Dawn and Drew show. 103 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,000 I'm John Misselli and I'm Drew. 104 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:48,500 And this is our show. 105 00:10:48,500 --> 00:10:49,500 That's right. 106 00:10:49,500 --> 00:10:51,500 So listen up bitches! 107 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:53,500 Enjoy! 108 00:10:53,500 --> 00:10:57,500 This evening, the role of Drew Domkis will be played by James. 109 00:10:57,500 --> 00:10:59,500 Welcome to the Don and Drew Show. 110 00:10:59,500 --> 00:11:03,500 I'm Drew Domkis and broadcasting live from the satellite of love. 111 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:04,500 That's right. 112 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:06,500 I'm Don Micelli. 113 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:09,500 For this evening, the role of Don Micelli will be played by Chris Moore. 114 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:12,500 The Don and Drew Show and if you want to subscribe to that podcast, real easy just 115 00:11:12,500 --> 00:11:14,500 go to iPodder.org. 116 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:18,500 Go into the download and shows directory and you can find it right there. 117 00:11:18,500 --> 00:11:21,500 And the way I'm doing it now, although I'm going to start to split it up into 118 00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:27,500 different categories, is every single time as a new show added to the directory, it'll 119 00:11:27,500 --> 00:11:28,500 be listed on top. 120 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:30,500 So it's kind of reverse chronological order. 121 00:11:30,500 --> 00:11:32,500 Oops, I just, I'm going to believe this. 122 00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:38,500 I just remembered that I have to make a pit stop in between here and home. 123 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:44,500 So basically I'm driving from Amsterdam via Rotterdam to Belgium. 124 00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:50,500 It's one straight line, but I have to stop off about three quarters of the way in 125 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:59,000 If you're ever in Breda, B-R-E-D-A in the Netherlands, Breda, lovely town. 126 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,000 There's a coffee shop there called Purple Rain. 127 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,000 That's where my Moroccan buddies are. 128 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,000 And, well, it's time for another refill. 129 00:12:10,500 --> 00:12:16,500 Moving on with some cool podcasts, I found... 130 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,000 just find it of course you know every single one I add to the directory I pretty much 131 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,000 subscribe to it at least 132 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:32,000 The Rock and Roll Geek Show. Now this is hosted by Michael Butler and Michael 133 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:37,000 Butler is the bass player for a band which I don't think I might have heard 134 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,000 them before American Heartbreak. They've been around for about seven years and 135 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,000 what I liked about this podcast is what Michael's doing and by the way what is 136 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,000 it with bass players who are named Butler? Have you ever hear of Giza 137 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:54,000 Butler? Black Sabbath? So Michael is doing a little bit differently. Instead of 138 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,000 recording a complete show he records little bits and they'll just pick it up. 139 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,000 So it's kind of like a diary and well here's a bit of him in the 140 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:08,000 morning after he went to a show the night before for the New York 141 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Dolls and here's how he was feeling. It's Tuesday morning, the day after the 142 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,000 New York Dolls show. 143 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,000 I am so... 144 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,000 tired. 145 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:25,500 way to work and I do not want to be here. 146 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:29,500 Now of course, Al was not lost. 147 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:31,500 He might have felt really crappy. 148 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:33,500 But he also got a great ID for the show. 149 00:13:33,500 --> 00:13:37,500 And when we talk about IDs in the radio business, that basically means, hi, I'm Phil on the 150 00:13:37,500 --> 00:13:39,500 blank celebrity name. 151 00:13:39,500 --> 00:13:43,500 You're listening to Phil on the blank radio program name. 152 00:13:43,500 --> 00:13:47,500 And our buddy Michael got one from David Johansson at the New York Dolls. 153 00:13:47,500 --> 00:13:51,500 This is David Johansson and you're listening to. 154 00:13:51,500 --> 00:13:56,500 Unfortunately, the Rock and Roll Geek show. 155 00:13:56,500 --> 00:14:01,500 The only thing that was missing from that is, you should have said you're listening to the 156 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:02,500 Rock and Roll Geek podcast. 157 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:04,500 But all right, close enough. 158 00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:08,500 So anyway, so Michael really does this whole thing and I don't know what it is with him 159 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:15,500 and his wife, but he keeps threatening that his wife, who he says doesn't understand 160 00:14:15,500 --> 00:14:17,500 what he's doing and probably doesn't agree with what he's doing. 161 00:14:17,500 --> 00:14:18,500 He's taping it all in his bedroom. 162 00:14:18,500 --> 00:14:23,500 Whenever she comes in, they start nagging each other and he keeps threatening to 163 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,000 record a whole session. 164 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,000 So we still have that to look forward to. 165 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:33,000 But really nice was a bit that he added onto the show, which 166 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,000 was a recording of. 167 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,000 On KSFU, which is a college radio station, promoting a show that they were doing, 168 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:46,000 and also played a couple of songs from their album, which I think they may be on some independent labels. 169 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:54,000 Europe. Here's the traffic jam. I'm already seeing that we're slowing down to a crawl. 170 00:14:54,000 --> 00:15:02,000 That's good. Give me some time to queue up some stuff even if we really come to a standstill. 171 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:08,000 What was nice about hearing the College Radio show interview was that all of a sudden it 172 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:14,000 hit me. Do you remember, and many of you will, back in the 80s, certainly at MTV, 173 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:20,000 primarily, College Radio was always cool. The buzz. College Radio is playing this. 174 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:26,000 This is up and coming. College Radio is cool to listen to because it's basically almost 175 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:32,000 uncensored. It's non-commercial. It's just kids having fun and people saying the truth 176 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,000 and playing their heart out and getting their chops down. It reminds me so much of what 177 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,000 we're doing with podcasting with one major difference is that College Radio, 178 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,000 you can only really hear College Radio when you're near the College Radio station. 179 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:49,000 In case of you, I'm sure has a huge transmitter, but when I was in... 180 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:58,500 Salem, West Virginia, I went to Salem College and we had a 10 watt sunup, sundown FM transmitter. 181 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,000 It would just kind of do the town of Salem. 182 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,000 And what was the call letters? 183 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:21,000 It was WITB, which depending on what, if you're on the day air shift or the night air shift, the day shift meant we're in the 184 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,000 shift of course since we're into Bong heads that was my my college radio days 185 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,000 I still have my you know the varsity jacket from the radio station WA TV air 186 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:37,000 personality and curry bullet so but it was cool and and college radio is cool 187 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:44,000 and these podcasts hey someone someone's holding up his iPod hold on roll on your 188 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:50,000 window I'm just taking off to name here come here 189 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,000 wait yeah 190 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:59,000 but a month or okay dude yeah right dude we checked out a guy just drove up next to 191 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:04,000 me and he's honking his horn and he's holding his iPod up and he's saying I'm 192 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 listening 193 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,000 God damn, I said I'm recording one right now. So Raymond buddy 194 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:16,000 Wow, that's very cool. See this is what I mean. This is what it's all about. Oh, that gives me a boost of energy 195 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:23,000 That's fucking great. Okay, so so this is what it's like, you know, it's it's college radio only work clearly 196 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,000 We're mobile in more ways than one so 197 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:32,000 American heartbreak I really like the songs that these guys are making you know, it's it's very 80s 198 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,000 Intended to be that way and I think the guys probably were around in the 80s 199 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,000 They played in a couple of different bands Exodus. I think I remember Exodus and they were heavy metal 200 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:47,000 And I really heavy and now they're I'd say that the music they play is 201 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:56,000 Yeah, it's punk rock it kind of it's a little more 80s and maybe a little more rock than punk than say 202 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,000 Green Day or blink 182 or a good Charlotte 203 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,000 But it does have the harmonies, you know, and it's just it's good rock and roll 204 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,000 And here's a song that they chose to be played on 205 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:13,500 KSFU. It's one of their favorites from their upcoming album. Released or unreleased doesn't 206 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:14,500 make any difference because we're going to crack. 207 00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:26,500 We've freed them, Ontario! 208 00:18:26,500 --> 00:20:16,250 [ Music ] 209 00:20:23,750 --> 00:21:43,750 [ Music ] 210 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:57,500 live from the Audi A8, driving on the A4 on my way to Breda from where we'll continue on to 211 00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:09,500 Belgium. And you're along with me for the ride. And I've been going through just a couple of podcasts. 212 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:17,500 Let me see. I had one more that I had listed, I think, on my... Let me see. They have one more 213 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:25,500 listed on my iPod. No, it was cool, though, although not necessarily a podcast was... 214 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:33,500 IT Conversations brought me Steve Wozniak, almost two hours of him. And once I'm done with this 215 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:40,500 recording, as I said, I've got 44 minutes left on the battery. So, you know, hold on, see, there's traffic. 216 00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:48,500 There's 12 traffic jams and all of them are about two kilometers. So about... 217 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:57,500 get rid of that. Yeah, that was really cool to hear the was and I haven't finished 218 00:22:57,500 --> 00:23:01,500 myself to listen to the second portion but that's so nice to 219 00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:04,500 receive that because I tried to listen to the Nome Dex conference live and I 220 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:09,500 heard some bits of it but I actually missed the was in the ex session so 221 00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:13,500 it's cool that we can have that. Now let me tell you about tomorrow 222 00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:17,500 before I forget, tomorrow being Friday, once again life will get in the way of 223 00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:22,500 actual work getting done. I had agreed, I don't know if you know this 224 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:29,500 organization called War Child. War Child is a, they're pretty much global now I 225 00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:37,500 think. It started, it actually started as a Dutch initiative and it's 226 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:43,500 a foundation that is mainly concerned with looking after children who are 227 00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:49,500 victims of war and if you see any of their promotional material you realize 228 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:55,500 that even if there's war a hundred kilometers away from where kids 229 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,000 sorry, it has such a profound impact. 230 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,000 And they do a lot of very, very good work. 231 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,000 And a friend of mine is on the board of War Child here in the Netherlands, could also be 232 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,000 the European board. 233 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,000 And she owns a restaurant. 234 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:11,000 And she asked me, they're doing a Feast for Peace, which means a whole... 235 00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:21,500 actors and other celebrities will actually serve dinner at her restaurant. 236 00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:28,500 And so of course you pay like $200 for a plate and it's going to be fun. 237 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:31,500 I actually waited on tables for about three years. 238 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:38,500 I think I saw the experience. I don't think the suit fits me anymore, but I'll figure that out. 239 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:49,500 Now, this restaurant is in Nike, which if you were to drive that, it's almost can't get there from where I live. 240 00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:54,500 You have to drive, you know, Caddy Corner. It just takes twice as long as if you could drive it in a straight line. 241 00:24:54,500 --> 00:25:01,500 And I figured that since I didn't want to do that and I had an invitation to stay overnight, 242 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,500 I certainly don't want to drive back at midnight. 243 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000 on tables and probably having some good fun. 244 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,000 So I'm going to sleep it in my friend's house. 245 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,000 But I'm going to fly up. 246 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,000 I'm going to take the helicopter. 247 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,000 And I think, based on the way this is going, 248 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,000 it shouldn't be too much of a problem to record the source 249 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,000 code tomorrow as I fly from Antwerp. 250 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,000 I'm going to take off from Antwerp Airport tomorrow 251 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,000 up to Nacetic. 252 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,000 And I'm flying solo. 253 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,000 So you guys will be along for the ride. 254 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,000 I have no idea how it's going to work out. 255 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,000 And of course, I do have to concentrate. 256 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:43,500 It is kind of important and I definitely won't have a hands-free. 257 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:47,500 You know, it's going to be like, I'm going to get in the helicopter, I'm going to start the recording 258 00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:52,500 and you're going to witness everything from start-up to lift-off to the flight. 259 00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:57,500 I think I have to do a couple of crossings of some control zones so you hear all that. 260 00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:59,500 You'll hear out some other crap on the radio. 261 00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:02,500 And we'll just talk, we'll just shoot the breeze and we'll see how it goes. 262 00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:05,500 But I clearly won't have hands-free. 263 00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:08,500 If we're an airplane it would be okay because then once you're up in the air, you know, 264 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:10,500 you have a hand-free and you shoot. 265 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,000 most of them. You can do whatever you want. You want to know what I can do. 266 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,000 But in the helicopter you need both feet and both hands pretty much at all time. 267 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,000 one hand on the on the cyclic which is what you'd call the stick you know that 268 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,000 makes you go forward left forward back left right whatever and then the 269 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,000 collective which is that handle that kind of looks like a parking brake which 270 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,000 is on the left that actually gives you the power and everything's in unison 271 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,000 when you pull up the collective you know you've got to depress your left foot 272 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,000 a little bit and you've got to move the cyclic forward so it's all kind of a 273 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,000 ballet motion and there's just no room for well there's no room for error 274 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:59,000 first of all so I'm looking forward to that so the source codes will be a 275 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,000 little bit different and then of course over the weekend all of 276 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,000 We're pretty much guaranteed that we'll have lots of new bits to play. 277 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,000 So look forward to that. 278 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000 Let's see, what do I want to talk about? 279 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,000 There were a couple of things. 280 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,000 Hold on, let me just take a drag here. 281 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:23,000 This, by the way, is not what you think it is today. 282 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000 I'm cheating. Just a little bit of tobacco. 283 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,000 Just to remind me that I'm smoking something. 284 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,000 So I'm being totally safe. 285 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:34,000 Oh yeah, and also when we fly, we don't smoke either. 286 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,000 I want to talk a little bit about the election. 287 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:44,000 And on Trade Secrets, Dave Weiner and I, if you haven't heard the podcast, I suggest you check it out. 288 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,000 Hopefully you'll subscribe. 289 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:51,000 Secrets.scripting.com, or of course you can get to it from iPodder.org. 290 00:27:51,000 --> 00:28:00,000 We talk a lot about President Bush, about the elections, about the state of the country, about the war in Iraq, 291 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:07,000 something that even though I blogged it, I maybe just want to talk just a little bit about Iraq, because I went there. 292 00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:12,500 In February, we did, and God, I wish we had podcasting then, 293 00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:17,500 I did an entire week live from Camp Smity in Asamawa, 294 00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:22,500 that's southwest of Baghdad, in Asamawa, Iraq, 295 00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:25,500 where the Dutch Marines were stationed, still our station. 296 00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:28,500 Actually, the Marines were there, now they've changed. 297 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,000 the Air Force that's there now. And they have regular ground troops. It's a little confusing, 298 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,000 but it's just different departments. 299 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:41,500 uniforms and different vehicles, but otherwise it's pretty much the same deal. 300 00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:48,500 And so, so, so, so, A, when I saw the presidential debate and they were talking about the coalition, 301 00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:53,500 or the lack of the coalition, and sure, Bush came up with Tony Blair, you know, what do 302 00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:55,500 you say to Tony Blair when, you know, there was no coalition? 303 00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:59,500 Well, yeah, of course there's, we know that Tony Blair and the United Kingdom were in 304 00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:00,500 the coalition. 305 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:03,500 But a lot of other countries got sucked in besides just Poland. 306 00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:06,500 God, our president remembered Poland. 307 00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:09,500 We never mentioned the Netherlands. 308 00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:14,500 We got 1,200 guys and gals there right now, two of whom have been killed in action. 309 00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:18,500 Never read that in the press anywhere in the US press, not that I found at least. 310 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:22,500 So, you know, we're feeling a bit of the war, granted not on the same level as the 311 00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:26,500 states, but it's also a big issue. 312 00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:31,500 And, you know, the Netherlands got Shanghai into it. 313 00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:33,500 No one wanted our marines to go. 314 00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:36,500 Our marines, of course, went and we support them. 315 00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:38,500 That was the whole point of the broad. 316 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,000 was just to support the troops, which is not a very European thing. 317 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,000 It's a very American thing, and that's why it's often frowned upon, 318 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000 but we just said, fuck that. 319 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,000 We turned everything on its head and we went out and we went to support the troops, 320 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,000 and it turned out to be absolutely just beautiful. 321 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,000 But anyway, the Netherlands got Shanghai'd in, and I'll tell you why. 322 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000 Part of it was the Joint Strike Fighter. 323 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,000 I don't know if you've ever heard of this, 324 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:08,000 but this is the new jet fighter that all the NATO partners have agreed 325 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,000 that this is the one they're going to build. 326 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,000 There's a lot of money involved in building of it. 327 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,000 A lot of money had to be paid to be a part of the program, 328 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,000 and the way that works is then your country can bid on projects. 329 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,000 Well, guess what? How many projects did the Netherlands get for... 330 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:40,500 And on top of that, the new NATO chief, Jaap de Hoop Schaeffer, who you probably heard 331 00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:44,500 his name pronounced as, Jaap de Hoop Schaeffer, he's a Dutch guy. 332 00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:48,500 So this was all politics and it was all lined up. 333 00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:52,500 If the Netherlands wanted to have their spot on the global stage in NATO, if you can 334 00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:56,500 still call that a spot on the global stage, then of course they had to participate in 335 00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:57,500 the invasion in Iraq. 336 00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:01,500 I didn't participate in the invasion, but they have been participating in the 337 00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:05,500 rebuilding of Iraq, which has changed since I was there. 338 00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:11,500 But when I went there, and I've never been in military service, I had no idea. 339 00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:12,500 I've never been to a desert. 340 00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:12,500 I've been to the outback. 341 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:24,000 And just a couple of impressions. 342 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,000 The first one is that it is very, very dangerous there. 343 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,000 But it wasn't at the time necessarily dangerous 344 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:40,000 because the coalition forces were seen as an invading force. 345 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,000 In fact, when I was there, the people in Asimawa, 346 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:49,000 and I went to five different marine camps in the surrounding area, 347 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:57,000 including Taliil Air Base, which is the biggest camp of all in Iraq, 348 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,000 which is even more southern Asimawa, but that's where they've got... 349 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,000 Well, that's a huge US Air Force base. 350 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,000 The Dutch are there, the Italians are there. 351 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,000 I didn't hear George mention the Italians. 352 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Pretty big country there, George, looking like a boot. 353 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000 You could have remembered that one, but no, you were... 354 00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:20,500 The Japanese have 800 guys there, so granted that's nothing in comparison to the US, but 355 00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:27,500 I saw with my own eyes how the Iraqi population was elated. 356 00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:30,500 They were so happy, and it didn't matter what country you were from. 357 00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:35,500 The troops, the kids were running up and down, running after the jeeps and sticking their 358 00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:40,500 thumbs up in the air and saying, you know, we're happy you're here because they've 359 00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:41,500 been doing rebuilding. 360 00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:43,500 I actually saw it. 361 00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:44,500 I saw the rebuilding of schools. 362 00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:49,500 I saw the rebuild of the water plant. 363 00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:53,500 The refinery, which by the way, if you know anything about refineries, and I didn't 364 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:56,500 until then, building a refinery is incredibly difficult. 365 00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:58,500 It's very, very expensive. 366 00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:02,500 It can cost hundreds of millions. 367 00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:11,500 But also training Iraqi police force, the ICDC, which is the Iraqi ICDC 368 00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:14,500 stand for, the Iraqi Coalition. 369 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,000 defense initiative something like 370 00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:23,500 And the vibe was basically good. 371 00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:28,500 Where it gets dangerous, where it was dangerous at the time was the transport. 372 00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:33,500 We actually drove from Kuwait City in Kuwait all the way to Asimala. 373 00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:38,500 That's about 350 miles, I think. 374 00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:45,500 And it was just two Land Rovers, our crew, which was five guys, and then four Marines 375 00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:47,500 who escorted us. 376 00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:50,500 It's crazy because you don't know what to expect, right? 377 00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:55,500 And you're driving away from Kuwait, and then you pass the border into Iraq. 378 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:58,500 And it's a six-lane highway. 379 00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:02,500 Granted, the overpasses and the bridges that you travel under 380 00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:05,500 don't connect on either side of it, blown to bits. 381 00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:06,500 But it's a six-lane highway. 382 00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:08,500 It's unbelievable. 383 00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:11,500 Now the thing is, you have to drive in the middle because 384 00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:17,500 transports from Kubite all the way to Baghdad come over this one road and 385 00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:24,500 that's where all the trouble would start is hijacked if a truck just had a 386 00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:28,500 breakdown it would have to move off to the side of the road within minutes in 387 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:33,500 the middle of the desert upward pop 50 60 people just you know coming closer 388 00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:37,500 and closer and if you're anywhere near town it could be five to six hundred 389 00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:43,500 if a truck is left alone within an hour and a half it's completely stripped of 390 00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:50,500 cargo every mirror light steering wheel piece of rubber every usable bit and of 391 00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:55,500 course riots happen because you know people are you know fighting over the 392 00:34:55,500 --> 00:35:02,500 spoils of whatever is left and combat combat that what the troops resorted to 393 00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:06,500 doing eventually is if a truck broke down they couldn't tow it away they 394 00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:09,500 blow it up they torch it and they blow it up right on the spot so there'll be no 395 00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:16,500 no problems but of course you know you've got bad bad people ever 396 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:21,000 everywhere, and you have to drive in the middle of the six lane highway because of what they 397 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:26,000 call IEDs, intentional explosive devices. 398 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,000 Basically means that they'd stick a bomb in a dead dog by the side of the road and you 399 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,000 pass by and it would blow up. 400 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,000 So at the time we were there and we went and met with people in villages 401 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000 I went with the commander of the the Dutch Marines without 402 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,000 Protective gear on without flak jackets without helmets into the town 403 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:51,000 Just to go to the barber shop to meet with the locals and show that we you know had all the best intentions by not wearing our 404 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000 protective gear 405 00:35:55,500 --> 00:36:00,500 And it was really, I was very, very impressed and very impressed with the work that our 406 00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:05,500 Marines were doing, very impressed with the central provisional authority, the CPA, which 407 00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:11,500 is what at the time was Paul Bremmer's fund and how money was being dispersed. 408 00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:12,500 I witnessed it. 409 00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:16,500 They could not put on a show for me there because we would have seen right through it. 410 00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:21,500 And we had access to everything, could talk to anybody, anything we wanted to do, and 411 00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:22,500 we were broadcasting it. 412 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:24,500 We were blogging it. 413 00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:25,500 It was phenomenal. 414 00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:27,500 However, it did change. 415 00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:33,500 And it changed because there was no change, basically. 416 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:44,000 from outside of Iraq, terrorists, people who hate America, who hate Europe, who hate anyone, 417 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,000 maybe who's not Muslim, possibly, they're coming from all over the place. They're coming from 418 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:55,000 different countries. They're coming into Iraq, and they are one of the main causes of trouble. 419 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,000 So it's not the Iraqi people. And I think I'm probably preaching to the choir when, you know, 420 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:07,000 that we all know this by now. But the one thing, and I guarantee you the Dutch troops are leaving 421 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,000 in March, they said they'd stay until March and they're getting the fuck out. 422 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,000 because the country is pissed off that they were sent there under false pretenses to start 423 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:22,000 off with weapons of mass destruction, brought into a coalition with all kinds of political 424 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,000 bullshit so that we could get our spot on the world stage with NATO and all that, and 425 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,000 they're tired of it. 426 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:35,000 And the masses here are, what do you call it? 427 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,000 There's unrest? 428 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,000 They call it unrest, yeah, unrest. 429 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,000 People are, you know, strikes are planned. 430 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000 They're just not happy with the government at all now. 431 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,000 And our troops will be coming back in March. 432 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,000 And I think that the work is pretty much done. 433 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,000 And when I say the work, and this is why I bring this up, they have rebuilt the schools, 434 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,000 they have rebuilt the water plant. 435 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:02,000 I can't speak for the refinery, but you know, I'm not just not sure what's going on there. 436 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,000 They have trained local police forces. 437 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,000 They have trained the ICDC, which is kind of like also a security force. 438 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,000 I think they've probably weeded out the bad elements because that was very hard. 439 00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:17,500 you know, who's telling the truth, who's bullshitting, all of a sudden you're handing him an AK-47 440 00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:20,500 so he could turn around and use on you. 441 00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:24,500 And the work is done. 442 00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:28,500 The only other thing left to do is to pick up troublemakers. 443 00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:32,500 And now there's just trouble. 444 00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:35,500 And there's no more bombs being... 445 00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:37,500 There's no more... 446 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:48,000 It's how can I best say this it's over it's done with you know the the the the shit that that Saddam created particularly in that area has been 447 00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:51,500 We built, taken care of, things are set up. 448 00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:55,500 They have 10, 15, maybe 20 years to go before they can reset that. 449 00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:59,500 But now the only thing we're doing is just protecting our own ass. 450 00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:03,500 The U.S. servicemen and women, all they're doing is they're protecting their own ass. 451 00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:07,500 They're not protecting U.S. assets or interests. 452 00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:09,500 They're protecting their own ass, and rightly so. 453 00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:12,500 Because it's not U.S. interests. 454 00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:18,500 It's George Bush's interests, Dick Cheney's interests, and Halliburton. 455 00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:21,500 It's the Carlyle, is that it? 456 00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:22,500 The Carlyle Investment Group. 457 00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:27,500 That's who's interests they're protecting, and they're not being fairly told that that's what they're doing. 458 00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:32,500 And in this country, and in most countries in Europe where I can speak the language, 459 00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:34,500 or have been able to read whatever they're talking about. 460 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:42,000 Everybody knows by now and fully agrees and are not being there's no media bullshit about 461 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,000 oh yeah but you know Iraq is responsible for 9-11. 462 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,000 It's not true. 463 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,000 Everyone here is saying hey where where's Osama bin Laden they're on to it. 464 00:39:55,500 --> 00:40:00,500 will be a much better place if at least George Bush is no longer president and Dick Cheney 465 00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:02,500 is no longer vice president and Donald Rumsfeld 466 00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:09,500 where he can put young lives of young men and women at risk. 467 00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:12,500 Easy for me to say, of course, being 40 468 00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:14,500 and not being eligible for a draft, 469 00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:16,500 although I do remember having to register 470 00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:18,500 in the early 90s, I had to register for the draft 471 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:23,500 when the first Gulf War happened. 472 00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:25,500 But this is crazy, it's just crazy. 473 00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:28,500 And I haven't really been able to talk 474 00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:31,500 about the experience as much, having been there, 475 00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:35,500 because you really build up such a bond 476 00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:37,500 and a brothership and sister ship 477 00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:41,500 with these people, with the troops there and the Marines. 478 00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:42,500 And I really got... 479 00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:51,500 And we need to get them out. We need to get them out. Iraq is... 480 00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:58,500 I think Baghdad. Baghdad is fucked. Baghdad is a big problem there. 481 00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:01,500 There's no more records. They can't hold an election. 482 00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:06,500 The town hall with all the... there's no registration. Everyone has to go register again. 483 00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:11,500 It's a scam. It's a freaking scam. And as far as I'm concerned, 484 00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:16,500 we need to get out. And the only way to definitely get out on any reasonable time scale 485 00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:21,500 is to get George Bush out and get someone in. And I would obviously say John Kerry, 486 00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:26,500 who is going to promise us that he's going to get our troops back within a reasonable amount of time. 487 00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:31,500 We're going to hold them to it. Or we should just show our power and go vote 488 00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:36,500 and kick him out as well. We have that power. Absolutely have that power. 489 00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:39,500 And now with these podcasts, I think we have additional power. 490 00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:43,500 Now we have the power of voice. We can really talk about what our feelings are. 491 00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:47,500 But still, I think sometimes comes over even a little bit better than... 492 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,000 than the written word, which of course is not to be underestimated. 493 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,000 So anyway, I have registered to vote by proxy. 494 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,000 It is very difficult to do that. 495 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,000 You ever notice how they never make it easy to do that stuff? 496 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,000 It's just why I thought MTV was great. 497 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,000 You get your license, you get your voter registration. 498 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,000 The motor voter bill I think it was, and MTV really plugged the hell out of that. 499 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:19,000 Doing this by proxy, it's like, yeah, you might be able to fax it, 500 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,000 but you're pretty much going to have to mail this stuff back and forth. 501 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,000 How election day falls almost exactly six months 502 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,000 From tax day 503 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,000 It's on the opposite side of the calendar 504 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:46,000 I say we should have election day right after you pay your taxes and what and after you you figure out what you paid your taxes for 505 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:56,000 Okay, let me get off the soapbox here. It is by now 722 is getting kind of dark. I can see that we've been at 506 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,000 It's been a pretty uneventful ride, so far. 507 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:06,000 Thinking of anything else. 508 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,000 Ooh. 509 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,000 Yeah, there's one thing I did want 510 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,000 to talk about when it comes to users and developers 511 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,000 partying together. 512 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,000 I've been thinking a lot about iPod or how it works. 513 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:22,000 And of course, I hope you saw that iPod or 1.0 has been 514 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,000 released. 515 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,000 This is for Windows and for the Mac. 516 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,000 It works. 517 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,000 I just called a buddy in the States who has Windows and 518 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000 someone who I know is a total user. 519 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:36,000 And he installed it and got the welcome file and everything 520 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:36,000 worked. 521 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,000 But then he said, OK, but now when I want to subscribe to 522 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,000 something, I knew it was coming, right? 523 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,000 When I want to subscribe to something, why do I have to 524 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,000 like click on this link? 525 00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:58,500 When it comes to mankind and doing that with technology, it's a big hassle. 526 00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:03,500 And you can see there's proof of this, there's prior art if we just look at web blocks. 527 00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:08,500 There's lots and lots of icons that will let you subscribe to an aggregator. 528 00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:13,500 So there's an icon for blog lines, there's an icon for feedster, there's an icon for 529 00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:17,500 radio user land, which is okay. 530 00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:21,500 But when it comes to iPodder, I don't think that's the way to go. 531 00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:24,500 I don't think we want to have, well, this is for iPodder Java, 532 00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:29,500 this is for iPodder X, this is for iPodder.net, this is for 533 00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:31,500 iSpider or PiPodder. 534 00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:34,500 We don't want to have that because we just want to have one single uniform. 535 00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:39,500 But now this is, and I can probably just see Dave Weiner rolling his eyes right now 536 00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:40,500 saying, no, don't go there. 537 00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:42,500 You can't do it, it can't be done. 538 00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:46,500 I just want to put a call out to the developers of the iPodders and 539 00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:49,500 the users who are partying with them on this. 540 00:44:49,500 --> 00:44:53,500 We should think about a standardized module. 541 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,000 And we've already done so much really good work when it comes to standardizing how we're 542 00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,000 doing things. 543 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,000 And we all can be so proud of that in such a short time span. 544 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:10,000 But we should consider making a module and making that into iPodder so that you can 545 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:17,000 subscribe to a podcast from a website just by clicking on a logo. 546 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,000 Now, of course, it's easy to put in. 547 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000 I even saw someone made a podcast button. 548 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,000 So that art is already there. 549 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,000 And of course, you can just link your RSS file or URL. 550 00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:35,500 a little logo, but you're still going to have to do a copy and paste. 551 00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:45,500 Now the way this works with the Weblog software is, so I'll just take RadioUserLand as an example. 552 00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:51,500 You basically have a little tiny web server running on your own machine. 553 00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:57,500 So when you click on that link, it's actually pointing to the web server on your machine. 554 00:45:57,500 --> 00:46:06,500 And then that web server receives the subscription URL and then knows to send it off to the aggregator 555 00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:11,500 portion, so to the iPodder feeds. 556 00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:13,500 It's not trivial to set that up. 557 00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:14,500 By far it's trivial. 558 00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:22,500 And even harder is to make the subscription engine the same for every iPodder. 559 00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:27,500 I'm just throwing it out there to see what comes back. 560 00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:32,500 But if we want to really complete the final user experience. 561 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:38,000 really really really can make this fly. We have to be able to tune into our podcast 562 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:43,000 and that tuning in has got to be a little bit more simple than the copy paste. I 563 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,000 know that 564 00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:50,500 You subscribe to stuff, people using aggregators do it all the time. 565 00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:52,500 But I doubt that people using blog lines do it all the time. 566 00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:57,500 I think probably a lot of people using blog lines, which is a centralized aggregator, will 567 00:46:57,500 --> 00:47:04,500 only subscribe or most likely only subscribe mainly to web logs that carry the blog lines 568 00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:05,500 subscription logo. 569 00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:10,500 So something to think about before we get into a whole bunch of other features and functionality. 570 00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:13,500 That's a glaring thing that we should at least think about. 571 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:17,500 that should be possible 572 00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:19,500 uh... 573 00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:20,500 let's try 574 00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:22,500 to not have a lot 575 00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:25,500 david yes i can hear david whiter screaming saying no no no no he's 576 00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:26,500 screaming at his ipod now 577 00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:30,500 but i think it's actually possible i want to give it a shot you know as long 578 00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:32,500 as i don't break anything in the process we keep all the others 579 00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:36,500 I think we'll be okay. 580 00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:38,500 Um... boy. 581 00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:42,500 Man, I've got a dry mouth from all this talk. 582 00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:48,500 Um... tomorrow, as said, on the podcast. 583 00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:53,500 Which you may not receive until Saturday, now that I think about it. 584 00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:58,500 Oh no, wait a minute, my buddy will have a connection with me to pop it up. 585 00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:03,500 Yeah, I'll be able to do that tomorrow before I actually start doing the waiting thing. 586 00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:06,500 We'll be flying together. 587 00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:11,500 So I'm looking forward to that because it's probably going to be the first podcast ever done. 588 00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:13,500 Yeah, from the air. 589 00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:18,500 Alrighty, let me just see if I can do this, the final bit here, hold on a second. 590 00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:22,500 Just moving my finger across the screen. 591 00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:27,500 Oops, I don't want to do anything too drastic. 592 00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:30,500 Okay, uh... yeah, that's it everybody. 593 00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:35,500 Thanks for listening to the source code for October 7th. 594 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,000 2014 595 00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:58,500 The power of your influence. 596 00:48:58,500 --> 00:48:59,500 And we'll see you tomorrow. 597 00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:01,500 I'll come into you from... 598 00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:02,500 We'll see you tomorrow between... 599 00:49:11,250 --> 00:49:31,250 [ Music ]