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This is Eric from AirCris.com and you're listening to the daily source code with Adam Curry.

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Hey how about that for us?

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If he started, everybody whoops, welcome to the daily source code.

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I'm Adam Curry.

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It is October 13th. It's a Wednesday, 2004.

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And once again, we're bringing you the best Belgium has to offer.

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How are you?

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I'm coming to you from Curry Castle in Flanders, Belgium.

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It's been another busy morning. I've been working on the directory.

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I potted out org man, there's so many podcasts coming out.

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Let's see in this show today, we'll be going through some usual comedy stuff.

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We'll be talking about OPML directories, which is something that even if you aren't

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non-a-geek and not a nerd and not a technology, you'll really like because we've got about six

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non-nurdy, non-GET people working with this right now.

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If you're in the information and linking, then this is completely for you.

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So stay tuned for that.

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We also have a couple of bits from Koma 1000, who of course are podcasting all of

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there or not all of a lot of their news items.

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Let's see a new podcast that we're going to talk about.

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Also Chris Perillo about the whole terminology podcasting.

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And of course, just a little bit of political stuff.

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And also backed by very popular demand and requests.

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I'm not going to tell you what it was.

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If you remember me playing it on the source code, I've got another one by Durewood

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Do-Shay for you.

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Stay tuned for that.

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So probably by an hour's worth.

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It's the source code for Wednesday.

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Let's get it cranked.

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Let's put some power into this podcast with Ram Jam's Black Betty.

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[ Music ]

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Betty, back, Betty.

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You turned Ram Jam into a big, one hit wonder.

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It's actually a lead belly original.

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I found out just recently.

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I was going to play that for you.

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play that for you. I had it stored somewhere in a playlist, almost like, let me move

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my phone a little bit. There we go. Oops. Sorry. Now, alright. Okay, that should sound

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a bit better. Yeah, I had a, I had led Billy actually performing that. If you don't know

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who led Billy is, I first heard about him on one of those rock and roll hall-of-famed

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dinners where, you know, all the running stones and, you know, feel specter and, and the

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kings and Bruce Springsteen and there's all these rock and roll grades come to honor each other

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and they're all wearing tuxedos. It was really funny. And it's $1,000 or played dinner

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if you can get in and, and all these guys like Keith Richards and Ron Wood and all the, you know,

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little Steven and all these guitar grades would all say, you know, led Billy really turned

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me on to rock and roll and was all led Billy's influence. That's just really old, I'm sure

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he's, he doesn't. He's not alive anymore, I'm sure, but of course he was inducted into the rock

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hall of fame and I actually came across a track of him singing Black Betty. It sounded very

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different, but you, you know, just, you'd never think that that would later become, it was

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a pretty big hit in the 70s. Okay, so this is your daily source code. Well, let me just

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reset everything there. Okay, using this sound flower plug-in so I can monitor my own voice

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and sometimes it, it, the buffer kind of overstreams or something or gets filled up and then

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I start to hear myself with the delay in the headphones, not very cool. Something I didn't

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talk about on previous source codes, of course, yesterday wasn't a source code. I had everything

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all cut up and I saw the Dave was awake at like five a.m. Seattle time and I was just about

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ready to record, I said, well dude, why don't we just, you know, we hadn't spoken a couple of days.

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So why don't we just do our rap and we'll record a show and then we had an opening of a new

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grandmaster view store about 45 minutes drive and I had to be there on seven, shut up around

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730 because I had to eat and you know, so I just didn't really have time to do a source code

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release, there was some audio that went out yesterday. So I didn't get to talk about Christopher

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Reeve passing away and this is sad, you know, when you think about, it was 1995 when he fell off

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his horse. A grant he was doing some pretty high like steeple chase height jumping and that

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put him in the hospital and made him quadriplegic and he's been a big proponent of stem cell

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research because there certainly is hope that the condition that he had, that there was some help for

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that or some fix for that if we can do more research, well, you probably know all about that debate.

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And then all of a sudden, man, it's just like boom, you know, you read and actually the newspaper

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has always been printed here. So it didn't really hit the newspapers here. It was at Monday because

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he died Sunday night and the papers here had already printed from Monday, but it saw it online around

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eight o'clock in the morning and it was like, wow, you know, and he had a heart attack and slips

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into a coma, it's just sucks. So, but of course, you can trust the web to, you know, to be thinking

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about about Christopher Reeve and, you know, just, whereas I used to look maybe five, six years ago,

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I used to look in the morning at my email inbox and say, you know, what goodies has it brought

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for me today? These days I go to my playlist in iTunes or on my iPod and to see what goodies

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the web has brought for me and this is one that showed up.

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Christopher Reeve, definitely this superman of my generation. All right, looking at some email

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sent to the daily source code, by the way, I'm printing these out now because my screen is so full

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with player windows and all this stuff that I have queued up for you and I don't want to run

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as few applications as possible to make sure that we don't get any skipping in the recording.

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This is from Benjamin Walker, he says he, you know, he likes listening to the source code.

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This is a public radio producer in Boston, just started a new show called The Theory of Everything,

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which also airs in San Francisco on KL, KALW and also also work for the Berkman Center,

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which is Harvard Law and Creative Commons. Now he said, he said, I figured out the podcast

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and thing all of my own, the enclosure part was easy. The changing the dot RDF to the dot XML part

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was very, very hard because all you smart folks have forgotten that there are clueless people

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like me out there and all the how-to sites left this out because it was obvious or something.

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Yes. And believe me, Benjamin, there are lots of geeks who do this stuff who are listening

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and everyone's trying to do better. So it goes on to him so excited about the invention,

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cannot tell him which is who will mean the next generation of pub. Oh, this is actually,

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I shouldn't mumble over this. I'm actually all caps. I am so excited about your invention.

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I cannot tell you how much this tool will mean to the next generation of public radio producers

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who want to find a way to connect with listeners without being tethered to the out-of-touch stations

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themselves. Excellent. Excellent. And we already have morning stories from MPR Tony Khan,

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which is already officially sanctioned as up and running as a podcast. So here he has a question.

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I got myself a 20 gig a month web hosting plan at the beginning of the month. I figured it would

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be more than enough. Of course, he's already started his podcast, which you can find in the iPod

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podcast directory. Yesterday, he says, the traffic was already at 7 gigs. Today, it's up to 14.

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I'm wondering if the podcast in community is growing this fast or if it's a matter of people

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trying out the different software and doubting the downloading the same stuff repeatedly.

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I only have 45 megs up total right now. Don't want to piss off my new hosting provider in the

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first month. Thanks for your time. Benjamin Walker. Benjamin, you hit on something that happened to me

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yesterday as well. I was just about to hop on the phone with a couple of people actually a

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Doug K from IT conversations. When I got a call from the CEO of, I think it's either

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Tiskly, the Netherlands or Tiskly Europe. It could be Tiskly Europe. He was a Dutchman no matter what.

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Now, I got to go back a little bit in history. Two years ago, I sold a hosting company that

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had called the Data Barn. Because early in 2000, all this ban, all these bandwidth stories were

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running about and there was money to be made. Of course, a lot of that was double accounting

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turns out in the long run. But really after the bubble burst, there was just no one looking

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for, you know, rack space and floor space and the right peering and connections.

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So I'd by then acquired, and my partner's also started to flake out. So I'd acquired all

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their shares and then I sold the whole company to the employees and to management. And as a

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part of the deal, I said, well, I want to have my rack in the facility and hosting and I don't

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need much service and maybe a reboot now and then. But ban with just, you know, that's just

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for me. Whatever I'm using and we agreed, I think we actually put in writing that I, you know,

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I wouldn't start a porn site or something like that. Well, yesterday, I got a call from the CEO.

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It was a new CEO because they acquired the company, data barn and cap cave actually.

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Tiskly acquired them probably about a year ago. And so there was a, you know, a grandfather

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agreement and I'd never met this guy. I think there was even a CEO before him or general manager

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of God knows what. And he said, hey, Adam, you know, I do and I'm like to introduce myself.

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He was really nice and I knew what was coming and he said, you know, I'm looking at your

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bandwidth, you know, mass what you're doing. And I said, well, what he means is, well, you're pushing

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35 megabits per second continuously, continuous traffic, 35 megabits. And he says, and our other

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customers are complaining because, you know, they, people, their sites are slowing down because

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you're kind of filling up the entire pipe. And I know where their other customers are and I know

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who complain because they have the national state lottery of the Netherlands and U2 with the U2.com,

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all their multimedia. So I thought, you know, I'm already laughing like, all right, my little podcast

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is disturbing the multimedia of U2. So I, I said, well, you know, actually I had already anticipated

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you calling and I really glad you did. And as you probably noticed, I've already started moving

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stuff over to a dot market count because it's, you know, I looked at my own stats and per day,

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so just want to compare apples to apples here. Benjamin is now shipping what he says, 7, 7 gigs

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on the first day. So doing about 7 gigs a day, which is actually quite a lot. Also he has a good podcast.

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It's also the length is, you know, everything counts, right? Every bit counts, every encoding bit you

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have at a higher setting, at the file size, and all of that's going to count in these totals.

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But I'm shipping out close to 40 gigabytes of data per day, 40 gigs of data.

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And so he said, well, you know, I'm looking at, you know, previous agreements, I don't

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quite understand what the deal was inside random through it quickly. And I said, but you know what,

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I said, you know, it's my understanding having come from the hosting business and having started

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that and done a lot of these peering agreements, is that there can be a benefit to top tier

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providers to having all the flow coming from one place, namely from them, because, and there are

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other people who can almost suck them. So we set my buffer. There are other people who can explain

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this much better than I can. But at these network access points or maps, you may have heard of

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May East or May West or the, we have the M6, the Amsterdam Internet Exchange. That's where all these

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big ISPs come together, and they hand off traffic to each other, and they do it under appearing

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agreement. And it's kind of exactly what it sounds like, you know, we're peers. And so I'm going to

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ship you like a million gigs of data this month, and you're going to be shipping a million

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gigs of data to me. So it's a wash, right? And we're peers and don't worry about it.

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And so there's no money that actually changes hand. Now, if you don't have a peering agreement

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with the big telco provider, you have to buy transit, which means you have to buy that bandwidth

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from some other provider who's closer to that particular pipe that you want to be to. So if someone

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wants to get the daily source code, and they're on a provider, particularly in the United States,

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that can't get to me directly by peering because you're on, you know, a subnet of something,

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you know, this is where it starts to break down my explanation. But your provider will actually

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have to buy that transit to help you suck that stuff down, which is why a lot of ISPs use

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caching technology. So that means that there's an unbalanced and imbalance, and that power can be

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created by having all the demand for particular content coming from one particular area, from one particular

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network. That's kind of my lame and explanation. If anyone out there who's listening to the source

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code can explain this, please record our an MP3 and send it my way because I think that's the way it is.

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And if it is that way, then that could be very advantageous. Anyway, this guy took the bait immediately,

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he said, yeah, we should talk about all that. So there must be something there, right? If not just for PR,

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for public relations reasons. So I'm going to meet up with him next Thursday. But clearly,

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this is going to be a problem. We know Bitcoin is definitely a part of this solution,

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but we're thinking about it. So you're not alone. But what I've been doing and this is what I would

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recommend for the time being is getting a dot mac account if you're on a Mac. There's all kinds of

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free accounts. Accounts you can get that include storage and bandwidth. You know, you just kind of

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have to spread the load a little bit. And the way I see everything going, people who have the

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type of traffic that we're talking about will pretty soon will be able to, you know, make some

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kind of deals so that you can get compensated. The first thing I'm going to lay down in front of this

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guy next week is, hey, why do you sponsor the daily source code with bandwidth? That's, you know,

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because of course, they probably throttle me down to about two megabits per second now,

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which, you know, if you're using iPod, you're still going to get the files,

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just going to take longer to bring them in. And as I said, I'm spreading it around to other

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other hosting locations. But that makes so much sense, you know, and then we'll find out if they

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really is a benefit for them, because he's not going to be giving away something, you know,

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for just a handful of thousand people to listen to. So we'll see, I will report back on that.

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Okay, it's the source code. What do we add? Wednesday, October 13th, middle of the week,

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hump day time for some raster web jokio.

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Welcome to raster web jokio for today. Hey, what's the deal with podcast? I mean, you're not

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casting pods, right? Hey, what's up with that? You suck! Thank you, thank you, good night. I'm here all

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week. Thank you Pete. I hope that brighten up your day like it did mine. Whenever I see a raster web

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and it's like 30 seconds, I know it's going to be funny. So the first time you're playing,

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it's always the best. We talked yesterday on the combined trade secret daily source code about

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the opml directory. Don't roll your eyes in your hand right away, because I think if you like

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web logs, you'll really like what opml directories are all about. So on ipod.org, I started

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a directory of podcasts. Now creating a directory, if you're seeing the demos or if you're seeing

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Yahoo's directory, and we talked about this, Dave and I talked about it yesterday on the source

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secrets. Let's call it that the combined show. There's a lot of politics and what's the top level,

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what are the top categories? And the great thing about the opml directory is that everybody can

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be the top level. It's just like a web log. There's no top level to the internet, to the web.

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Anyone can have a top level. I'm sure I want you to see ipod.org as a top level, but if you don't

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like it, you can just follow the tree and connect, I'm sorry, you can follow the tree down

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to something you do like and you can put that into your own top level and you can be the top level.

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Let's all copy paste stuff because it's done in outlines. If you're never using the outline

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or go to outliners.org and look at and see what the history of outlines, you've probably done

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outlinings in school. At least if you're educated in the states in Europe, they don't,

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they've never taught the concept of outlining at all, which is amazing to me. Or at least not that

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I've found in my European education. And so it's real simple. You have, you know, the outline is

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just like the directory. And if you want to create a new category or subcategory, you just

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tab the next node underneath that. And you can collapse stuff. So it's easy to organize. It is easy

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to keep track of it. And if you want to point off sight off of your directory, just like you

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would a link with a weblog, then you do exactly that except it's not a dot HTML link you're

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hypertext markup language. And what's cool is so now we have six different categories on the

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ipodder.org podcast directory, which are handled by other people. And if you look at the music

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directory, the minute you click on the music directory, you'll see that the owner of that link of

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that node is someone else. It's not me. And if you click on the suggest the link, the email is going

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to go to that person. Now under that, you'll see a category mixes. And you'll see the mix of the

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an OPML document on a web server, just like you would an HTML document. So the whole thing kind of

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flows together, and you can traverse it left and right. And if you want to know more about that,

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then definitely listen to yesterday's daily source code, because they've given a very good

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explanation about the power of what this could be. And once we get the search engine guys in, then

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life will be beautiful. And I do believe that. I came across Port-Lets podcast today, the fifth

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in the series so far. Port-Let is one of the contributors to the OPML directory. So I thought

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maybe we let it better to let him talk about how it's working. Then me, because it's just right

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me promoting shit that I'm doing. So please listen to what else. One of the things I think is

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more really interesting that's going long is now there's a the director of podcasts come along

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and I'm taking part in that. And I'll be managing a couple of lists. I decided that I'd like to see

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more comedy. And I'd like to see more interviews stuff out there. So I'm taking part myself to help out.

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And submitted my suggestions for subcategories to Adam Curry, the guy that's run in the

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ipotter.org list. And you can find it if you go to www.ipotter.org. And then look on the left hand

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column. You'll see if you haven't seen the site before. Just look on the left hand column. For those

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of you who've been there before, you'll actually notice it's got a new design. Look for the directory,

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click on that button. And then look for the categories. And you'll see not just comedy and humor

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and interviews, but you'll see if quite a few other categories and you'll see the directories growing.

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shows. But it's easy to contribute. So especially, one mind, if you've got something out there

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that's funny, or you've got some interviews of something the podcast you want to do. Just submit it.

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Submit link. And if it's classified as comedy or if it's an interview, I'll get the listing.

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And I'll be able to update my list. It doesn't have to be those categories. There's other ones

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there like food and technology and stuff like that. And when you submit your site, your feed,

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whoever's running that list will be able to update the list. Some of the categories I've got started in

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comedy thing is, let's give you more or less my topic. Tonight, I've got sketch, song,

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parody, political, satire, commentary, current events, the absurd, the last category. I just thought

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kind of, I hate the word miscellaneous. Okay, so you see how people can really get involved in

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maintaining their category. I mean, and you're a part of the whole system. So if you want,

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if you're interested, or you want to find out more about contributing to the ipotter.org podcast

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directory, it's completely open. Go to ipotter.org, go to the podcast directory, and there's

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a sub directory there that's titled contribute. Yeah, we thought about this stuff. Okay,

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here's a bit from Koma 1000. I picked up on the podcast that I like the one to share with you.

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It's really so incredible. It's hard to explain. DDPR, saying Torx songs and jazz clubs in St. Louis and

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Chicago using stage names like Little Girl Blue and Laurie Allen. But it was her voice that

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captivated a record producer in the 50s and convinced her to record 12 songs. The company went

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to the point, as soon as it was recorded, obviously, and I thought it was totally lost.

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Like the bubbles in a glass of champagne. After the company shut down,

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were never published were forgotten by just about everyone. But some research on the internet

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unearthed them owned by a small record label that specialized in obscure recording. He's

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was delighted to put the bits and pieces back together and here it is. It's a dream come true,

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although I feel like I'm standing here in my fuzzy slippers.

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Pierce is now expecting to hear of her work from 1957, will be nominated for a Grammy.

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and being a ghost at your own past. It's really been incredible. So I have one foot in 1957 and

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one in 2004. John Rapp, coma, 1000 news. Isn't that a great story? Isn't the internet great?

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Isn't the web great? We can find that stuff. Well, we'll see what happens with the upcoming Grammy

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awards. I'm going to kind of mix it up today, a little bit of podcast stuff, a little bit of political

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stuff, a little bit of music still on the way. This is, I wanted to play this just the intro

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of this podcast for you because a lot of people are talking about, well, what's in the show? Do I really

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want to listen to the whole thing? You kind of should just treat it like radio. You know,

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use that away from the station if you're bored. And that's what those of us that are making these

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shows are going to have to realize that if you're boring, people are going to zap to the next show,

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maybe fast forward through your show. And it works that could unsubscribe from the feed. So there's

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a number of different ways to do that. Right now, we don't have a lot of MP3 players that

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can really display all the meta data. And I just don't know how we're going to solve that. But

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the simple way is just to tell people upfront, here's what's in my show and maybe even like this

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example, what you show is about. Wow, to tech rad terrains. This podcast is coming to you just

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east of San Diego, California, in the city of Oklahoma. I anticipate that the target audience with

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this show is seasoned information technology professionals and power users. There you go. So that's

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one way to do it, which works very fine. And I knew in just seconds, I knew well, maybe this isn't

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for me. And by the way, I don't know if I subscribed to all this. I tried to subscribe to just

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about everything, but I've got stuff coming in from so many different directions. And this showed up

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on IT conversations in the iPod this morning. And I didn't recognize it. It was called, what was it

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called? Voices in your head and the name of the track in this case was James Patrick Kelly.

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I was like, Voices in my head, what is this? And especially from IT conversations. And I gave

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Good music, right? You figured this is something going to be cool.

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Hello and welcome to the introductory episode of Voices in your head. I'm Dave Slusher.

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Whoa. Dave Slusher. Dave Slusher's got a gig. Cool. So apparently Dave Slusher is doing a

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show for IT conversations. Let's hear all about it. Your host and my guest this week is author

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and columnist James Patrick Kelly. As the science fiction writer, he's been nominated for all

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of the highest awards in the science fiction field, winning the Hugo Award for his stories 10 to the

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16th to 1 and think like a dinosaur. As a teacher, he's frequently taught at the Clarion

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writer's workshop, where he's inspired young writer such as Cory Doctoro. In the 1990s, his before

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mentioned story, think like a dinosaur was adapted for a radio play by the sci-fi channel

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scene ear theater. He writes the internet column for Asimov science fiction magazine amongst his

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many responsibilities and is experimenting with making his work available as downloadable MP3s of his

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readings. Thanks and welcome to the show, Jim. I'd like to be here. See, that's very cool and I

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heard about this. I knew you, I think this is what Dave Slusher did before on public radio or

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maybe a year or so ago that he wound down that show. And so he's basically interviewing

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nonbleness writers of science fiction. So this is something that's a great show. If you're

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in a science fiction, you're going to want to subscribe. And what I can't wait for is to see

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IT conversations split up. So we can have, I'd like to subscribe only to memory lane,

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Hally suit or only to voices on my head or only to the Gilmour gang. I'm sure Doug's thinking about

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that. So that won't be long coming. The other day Dave made a comment to me. He said about Chris

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Perillo and I guess I'd missed that I maybe I didn't see his weblog posting or some thread that

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I should have been following. But it wasn't till something showed up this morning in my iTunes that

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Chris Perillo put together in a Chris Perillo. I believe he organizes Nomedex.

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His weblog is locker-nome. And so the title of this podcast is locker-nome trends. And for some

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reason, and this is the comment that I didn't pick up on earlier, he's got a stick-up as that's about

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the terminology of podcasting and IT potter and IT pot platform. And I can totally understand

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where he's coming from in some regard. And lots of people have been talking about, well,

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you know, maybe you should call it something else besides anything that has the word iPod or the word

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pod even. And yeah, that may be true. That may be true, but you know, it's stuck. It's done. I don't think

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we can we can change it. And I don't think we should have to. I think that particularly when it comes to

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iPod or technology, you know, iPod or stuff is just going to come built inside. You know,

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I'm hoping that, you know, some companies will license some of the code that these teams have

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been working on so diligently and put them into their hardware. You know, make, make cell phones have

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this built in so that when we have, you know, when your cell phone kind of a Bluetooth connection

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or an ultra wide band or Wi-Fi or UMTS or the GPRS or ABC or Aluminopi connection that, you know,

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it knows the start sucking stuff in and knows what your subscriptions are on your preferences.

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You know, power to all that. I don't think it'll matter what that's called anymore. And people are

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going to get, you know, if pod casting is to broadcast, what web logging is to journalism, you know,

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it's like we went through the same thing with blogging. Is it web logging, blogging? Is it a blog? Is it a

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I don't just don't think it matters, but I did enjoy what Chris Perlode did. First of all,

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he talked to his girlfriend. He sounds really cute. He talked to his girlfriend about, you know,

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pod casting and did she understand what it is? And apparently she, she doesn't know much about

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technology or at least she's playing that way in this pod cast. And, you know, what, are you compelled?

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Would you like to have this and that explains it? Well, you'll hear a bit of that, but what he also

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did is he had a whole bunch of people he knows, called into a voicemail box, which sends off MP3's,

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kind of a, you know, voicemail service, sends off an MP3 of the voicemail recording to his email.

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And he put the, he's drunk those all behind each other. And there's some great names in there,

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some great people who called in all have different things to say. We're going to listen to that together.

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And maybe we'll have some comments on bits of it. But first let's listen to Chris talking to his girlfriend

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about pod casting. Why can't someone else collect it and get it together? And then I just pick

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what I want. I want it to scrape for me, I guess, or I don't know what the terminology is.

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You shouldn't have to worry about the terminology. Exactly. And that's what's pushed the discussion

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where it is now. Pod casting is really bored as a word. And I have to use that word now because

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it's all right. Yes, it is. And I can't get around the fact that it's so

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trying into an existing product, an existing community, it's still going to leave people out.

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Okay. So that's what I mean. That's what Chris is problem is. He feels that people who don't have iPods.

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some elitist group that the names all wrong. But nowhere have I heard an actual good alternative

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from him. But let's keep listening. Question is, if we can't get all these great internet minds

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to start thinking together and use a word that transcends the iPod, what else can we do?

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I think that we all should send our ideas to Chris. Let him pick the one. I'm all for it.

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Could you just take on a responsibility there? No, I'm just asking the question.

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I like his girlfriend already. Not mainstream yet. So it's still malleable. In my opinion,

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the more you stay podcasting as an example. Podcasting, podcasting, podcasting.

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In the more you enforce that name. So should I just call it broadcasting and then stick with it.

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You have to be consistent. Podcasting. If you're going to change, you have to be consistent.

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But understand when you make that change, the changes to include everyone.

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Okay, here's what we're going to try something just a little bit different. I've got a voicemail

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system that when someone leaves me a message, it gets sent to me in MP3 format. So I thought,

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why not ask a few of my friends to send me their thoughts on podcasting? Mind you, I wasn't on this

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mailing list. If it works, it works. If it doesn't say no big deal, we give it a shot.

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But let me apologize for the audio quality of these voicemails. It's better than nothing.

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Hey man, this Robert Skobel, and I think podcasting rules. I'm sitting here listening to Adam

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Curry talking from bosom. Apparently we've worked out technology. So the smoke actually can

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affect you if you're wearing earplugs. What's up, Skobel? And I think, you know, this is just not.

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It's how the world's going to run. It's going to, you know, anyway. I'm hiking things that's

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right on. I needed 20. But tonight I was at a geek dinner and talking to JP Stewart. And he

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has pimped out his car with a windows XP machine. He has a little screen at the front and a

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TPS and a Wi-Fi antenna. And he, you know, it dialed home through Bluetooth and his phone.

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I think I need to get me one of those phone. It's pretty neat. But he's listening to podcast now in

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the car. I mean, you know, I can see a world where this is going to be normal stuff. And this

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is going to be how you get different kinds of audio and video content. Anyways, let's know next.

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And how do you think? So I'm just going to keep playing these because these are great. There's

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some big names that come through. That was Robert Skobel who was, uh, I call him the resident

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blogger at Microsoft, uh, good guy. Let's see this next. This is Jake Lettingson from

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Jakelettingson.com. And I think the thing for me about podcasting that is most confusing is

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probably the name podcasting. And it implies that you need an iPod to do it. And you know

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this guy's a shill right. You know, you know, this is a shill. I frankly, you don't need an iPod

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or a Mac or it's really a platform independent way to download content on demand.

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TV-like system to subscribe to specific content channels and have them automatically download to

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your computer and then be able to come with a device. I actually created a tutorial showing you

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at iPod.org. Yeah, we actually pointed to that. I think it's a good how to.

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to do specifically using iPod and iPod iTunes. And I was looking at it and I don't like

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six different devices that all can support audio, but none of them is an iPod. So I was like,

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well, how do I do this? I went through the process. You can look at that on Jakelettingson.com.

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crackling. I actually recall Microsoft doing this for for their, um, I think it was their Puck at PC,

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is, unless you subscribe to one of the 20 content items and have them Sink automatically to

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a Puck at PC, each time you like connect your Puck at PC to the cradle. Now there are two

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problems with that. Number one, they don't want to work with Puck at PC, so you rule about everyone

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who has my pot or is a creative bend or del BJA real karma. Many of the, like dozens of other

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devices are available. And it also is a closed content loop meaning that only the content providers

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that Microsoft has selected are able to do every content. Right. So I think that's a real

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important part there. And I'm glad that Chris is putting this up. Because, you know, yeah,

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we may not have the name right, you know, people may not agree with that or may, you know, drive you

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towards certain thoughts, but we have an open content pool and anyone's allowed to come and party with

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us. So yeah, we're not as hit the Sinken Go. Now the big difference with podcasting is that

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anyone can set up a podcast and make it available for people to consume. Now that doesn't mean

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all of the podcasts are going to be great or a lot of people are going to say this.

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Let's go to the next caller. I know you're thinking about doing this yourself.

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And the rest of the story is really good, but you're going to listen to what he said.

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Okay, okay, do you stop the year content that? Okay, all right, Chris, Steve Gilmore. Okay,

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of the Gilmore gang, here we go, a fresh face in the crowd. Leaving you a message about podcasting,

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which I think is the single most important thing going on in the past,

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uh, at least two weeks. It's sweeping the RSS space and because it's fundamentally the same thing as RSS,

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being RSS enclosures at the heart of the matter. It's going to quickly generate a lot of

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attention around specifications as attention to them. Then XML, let me try that again,

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attention dot XML, which is a attention metadata standard, which I hope will allow for the

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evolution evolution. Excuse me, have the Roch Motel effect, which is going on with some of the

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major players in the Roch Motel effect? RSS space, namely the metadata goes in and it never comes out.

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Okay, so I hope this is enough for you to do a test and see how this, you might be able to

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remove the screen. Hey, this is Steven Cohen from Library stuff. Thanks, Chris, for contacting me.

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I just don't know what you're going to do. I know, I'm bored.

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Yeah, I'll put a link to it. You can get, you can subscribe to this, but there's a whole bunch of

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people that show up later on. Dave Winner shows up and it's just a whole, I thought it was going to be

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interesting listening to a second time. I think you just have to go get it yourself, but it's

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it goes on for another, let's see, oh man, it goes on for another 15 minutes of people calling in,

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but it's a very interesting way of doing like comments, it's really what struck me about this,

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and it could either be a one to masses type comments, but probably the other way around,

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and this must be very easy to set up, Chris, if you have a minute, set up a pointer to

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whatever service you're using, because if they're really firing off MP3s, that would be

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beautiful. I could set up a rule in my mailbox that'll dump it into a folder and it'll make it

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into a podcast so that it would just be for me, it would just be like an answering machine,

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literally, or comments, or stuff my assistant wants me to remember, and I could put that on

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and listen to it in the car, and cool way of creating a podcast feed. Okay,

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I got a question that came in, an important one. Good evening Adam, curious, now I'm

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off to go from the Linux link text show and dance rants for meeting my way through the earlier

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episodes of Daily Source Code, and one thing that is really caught my curiosity is whether you have

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a license to broadcast the Android Distribute, the commercial music or media files that you play,

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and what your opinion is, those who are just getting into podcasting, who obviously look

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to your work as one of the pioneering people in podcasting, and what your opinion is on them

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including commercial-based content, what concerns us or me and also discuss it on the text show

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is that it might draw unnecessary or unwanted attention from bodies like the R, I, A, A, and the NBA,

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and force their hand to crack down on podcasting for illegal distribution of commercial products.

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Just curious is the what you think about that, and what you might have to say to other people

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who are out there podcasting now. Thank you for taking your time to listen to this and look

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forward to the next Daily Source Code. Right on Dan, thank you very much, I appreciate the

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question, and to answer it right off the bat, no, I don't have a license. I have done licenses with

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a particularly with BMI, I think we wrote probably the first BMI license for online music,

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and that was for, but my client was Budweiser, I think, and we did something with the Budweiser site

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and they gave a specific license, and at the time I believe it was a percentage of revenue.

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So the answer is no, now most of the podcasts that you're hearing are just spoken word,

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but just about every single podcast that I've seen come by in the past couple weeks,

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does begin with an opening tune, and even if you're just using a few snippets or just a little bit

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of a song in the real world outside of podcasting, you're using somebody else's intellectual

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property, and they have rights to that, and that should be, if not compensated, at least this should

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be an agreement about what kind of use that is. You're right about perhaps the leadership role

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because I do see people emulating the format, however the rules where I live are a little bit different.

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There are no people being sued by the RIA in Europe. In fact, the European Court is still

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trying to figure a lot of these issues out, although we're probably not winning the war, we have,

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well, maybe we are winning the war, and we lost a few important battles, but on software

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patents things are a little bit different over here. There's a reason why Kazah was, I don't think

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they were, they were probably founded wherever Nicholas and those guys live, but they built a company

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in Amsterdam. They're just different rules about technology and peer-to-peer sharing, and we don't

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have a couple of the laws that have been passed in the United States. That doesn't mean that

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I think it's right, and I think that it should change. Now, conversely, I've talked about this a

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couple of times. In Europe, in the Netherlands, at least I know 100% for sure, but in most of

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Europe, I'm quite sure, radio and television stations pay a percentage of revenue to the licensing

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organizations, which would be ASCAP BMI. Here, it's Buma Stemna. Every country has something, but they're

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all tied together in some weird bizarre way, and only they know how that works. They pay a percentage

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of revenue, and then they can use whatever they want. There are some restrictions, but they

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can even use it in their promos and in their shows, and there's just a whole bunch of ways that

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they can use that. Radio stations, exactly the same. In the States, from what I'm led to believe,

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radio stations don't pay that type of royalty because it's seen as advertising. That's really

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important because if we're going to have to be broadcasting, like Chris Perillo says, and we're

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not podcasting, we're broadcasting. I'm all for that, but then I want broadcast rules, and I want

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to have the same benefits. I think I could convince and make a pretty good case for most music

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industry executives, who I'm sure are listening, that this is the radio of the future. Screw

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the connections you've got with clear channel, and who you know there. This is where the new

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radios coming from. Don't you guys have kids at the RIA? I have a 14 year old, and I see her

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14 year old friends, and they're trading music all the time. Christina has crazy about good

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Charlotte, and they're taping videos and sharing those with each other, and they, and it's just

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as humongous build up that they witnessed together online to the release of the next album, and then

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my daughter's cutting school to go by the good Charlotte album, which by the way, it comes in a

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double set, so it's two CDs, exactly the same only one is called the life album, one is called

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the death album, and each one has a separate bonus track. I mean, you got that part of the marketing

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right? You're getting these kids to buy two CDs instead of one, but you know, see that you're

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building up to it. Give them the tools to share. Give them the opportunity to let them work on

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this stuff, and help you, and you will sell music. I guarantee you that, that's just you have to

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figure out new ways of packaging and marketing this stuff. So, you know, I want to be treated like

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like a broadcaster in that case, and I want to have the same type of deal, which means we shouldn't

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have to pay anything. There is, by the way, a fee for MP3, which we discussed earlier, I posted that

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a couple times, a pointer to it. With MP3, if you make over a hundred thousand dollars using MP3

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as your delivery mechanism, you're content packaging, whatever the hell, however the lawyer specified

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that, then there is a, I think it's 2% of gross revenue that you have to pay in licensing fees.

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That's about it. You know, that's all that it should be, and just think of the opportunities.

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But you're right. You know, there's a very big chance that some people will say, hey,

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you know, this is crazy. This is, this is running rampant, but I don't know. I think that if I look

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at the evolution of web logs, then at the beginning, a lot of journalists and a lot of newspapers

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and big publications were saying, you know, this should be outlawed. You know, you can't have people

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just writing a word at whatever they want on on, on woops. Oh, wait a minute. I violated like a free

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speech thing there. No, but that's what they wanted to say, and that's how they were feeling,

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and that was the vibe, and it's going to be the exact same thing with this. Only this is,

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I think the speed at which we're evolving in which this is unfolding before us is going much faster

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than the web logs, and it's because the concept is the same. We're not really learning anything new here,

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except for the production. The, and in fact, in many ways, the, the consumption side of what we're

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doing is easier than the web logs. And perhaps more convenient than the web logs, since you, you know,

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it doesn't take up your web logs space. You can take up space of where you were listening to

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boring radio, perhaps, or had nothing to do, or, you know, listening to your, the same music

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tracks in a different order over and over again, and seeing if your i-cut pod could pick out a song

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that matched your, you know, your mood for the day. But I do think that it's possible to get this done.

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I know that MPR, Tony Khan, got the, for the morning stories, there's three up there now,

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and they'll be adding more. The licensing was taken care of. So it's clearly someone knows how to do this,

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and licensing is possible. And I think it's right, and it's fair. Even if you pay nothing,

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we have to have an agreement because you're using something. Now, of course,

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there's already all kinds of licensing models out there when it comes to like what I'm doing.

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I'm playing, you know, geez, I'm, I'm like violation on top of violation. I play someone else's

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podcast and a bit of the music that they're already illegally using. So, you know, this, it's,

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I don't think anyone will disagree that we can make money on this. We should pass off some piece.

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And I think that, because it's not exactly the same, it's certainly not the same as, uh,

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streaming playlists of songs. It's not the same as sharing individual MP3 tracks, you know,

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just like on, in American broadcast, you're not allowed to pre-announce a new, you're not allowed

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to pre-announce a song. Well, you're not supposed to. Let's put it that way. You can back

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announce, or you can tease with commercials in between. There's all kinds of rules so that

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it stays within the realm of, you know, people that people could A be ready to record it,

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or there could be deemed as a complete commercial. You know, so there's all these rules that

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need to be looked at. And I think we fit into that very well. And if that's so, then maybe

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just like Chris Prilas suggested, we will become broadcasters instead of mere podcasters.

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And I'm going to violate those rules. Once again, I'm going to violate the rules. We're going

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to stick it to the man. By major requests, I once played, uh, everybody's, uh, fucking with me,

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by Dura Wood do Shee. And I got so many requests for either that song. I have a, I have like,

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I have no whole album. Um, and it's, uh, you spell it, uh, as you would do, uh, DO, U, C, H, E,

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do Shee. And, um, the next track is from that. It's an audience participation track. If so,

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if you're in, in a, in a lyrics, then you can participate in this. Um, it's a good combination

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of adult humor and, uh, some nice big band kind of blues tunes. And it is no matter what, definitely

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not safe for work. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome once again to the lovely

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sewer supper club, located deep in the bowels of our fair city, where the wine is fine and

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the food divine. Tonight's special is plump, juicy, boned, milk fed sewer rat, floating in a

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piquence cilantro scum sauce. Okay. Now it's time for the audience participation segment here

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at the pristine chapel bar. And that means that it's time for your favorite song, The Limerick

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Blues, written by our very own house piano player, or perhaps I should say, outhouse piano player,

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Derwood, Du Shee accent acute over the E. You all know the routine, the band plays the Limerick

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Blues theme once. And then when I point to you, you recite your Limerick. We're going to leave

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the second Limerick spot blank for all you listeners out there to fill in your own Limerick.

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So think of your favorite Limerick, title up to the band stand and get ready to blow them away

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with your poem. Ready? Here we go, a one, a two, a you know what to do.

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[ Music ]

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A lovely young lady named Grace, gave me head through a piece of black lace.

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When my seamen was scattered, I saw I had splattered white freckles all over her face.

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Man she looked go.

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Set a Japanese hooker from Kobe, to a wedding-down sailor named Toby.

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No charge for this trick, that's a whale of a dick, and it's white, so let's

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Chris and it in the movie, almost as far as we were going.

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There once was a laugh from Nantucket, who was in the face with a bucket, too ugly to lay

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shit this to say, if you don't like my made one, it's fucking it!

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A fox a young lady from Rio, walked up and said, are you a Leo, and now she retorts

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the fuck in my shorts with a splatter that real come to Rio.

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I tied up a nympho and king-ta, the warps held but barely a string-ta, when I let her

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loose, she gave me a goose and bit off my cock-oomed eye-lain-ta, right between the fucking

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[ Music ]

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one.

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Don't do shit, the limeric blues of one live in front of a Randy audience.

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Alright, I'm going to leave you today with a bit of politics, this came through on the

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feedster video and closures feed, which iPod Rex also hampily picks up for me, I always

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scan through the videos, also a lot of data that comes in and gets storage, you got to do

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it in a pretty regular basis.

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This is a bit, I think it's in the house, where Tim Ryan, who's a Democrat, is, and you'll

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find out at the end, is talking about the story that's been served, I've seen served

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on the internet a couple of times, and the past few weeks, is that there is a probability

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of a draft being instated, and it's really important to think about this, I remember in

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90 when the first Gulf War took place, and I think I mentioned this before, I was 30

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at the time, and I was pretty sure I wasn't going to be drafted, but they did ask me

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to register for the draft, and I was thinking like, damn, that would really suck, besides

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the fact that my sorry-wide ass wouldn't last two minutes, and no goddamn desert, as it

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turns out, I found out that my ass did last for a week, but trust me, you do not want

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to be there, certainly not if you're being shot at and blown up, and people who are there,

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I don't want you to be there because you're not really helping them, and you don't want

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to be there if you're confused, so I wanted to play this, because what this guy, he's

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a young guy, Tim Ryan, it's so compelling what he says, and he's so much emotion, and

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if you are old enough to vote, you're old enough to be drafted, and I suggest you vote

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for John Kerry to get George W. Bush out of the White House, and here's why.

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I thank the gentleman, I rise in opposition of this bill, but I would like to clarify something,

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we're not trying to scare kids, this president's foreign policy is what's scaring the

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kids of this country, and that people have said today, why are people believing this?

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Why are people believing this big internet hoax?

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Well, it's the same people that told us Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9-11,

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same people that told us Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, same people

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that told us we were going to be able to use the oil for reconstruction money, same

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people that told us that we'd be greeted as liberators, not occupiers, same people, same

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president that told us the Taliban is gone, same president that told us that Poland is

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our ally two days before they pull out, same president that tells us a rack is going, just

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great, same president that tells us the economy is going, just great, same people that

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told us the tax cut was going to create millions of jobs, same people that told us that

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the Medicare program only cost $400 billion, when it really cost $540 billion, so please

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forgive us for not believing what you're saying, please forgive the students of this country

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for not believing what you're saying, not one thing, not one thing about this war that has

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been told to the American people, or that has been told to these college students has been

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true, not one thing, Bremer says we need more troops, the Pentagon says we need more

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troops, and this president can't get them from the international community, there's only

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one option left, let's be honest with the American people, I yield back the bounce of my

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son, whoa, all right, there you go, Tim Rines, I'm very very very clear words for you to

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think about vote for John Kerry, and that's it for the source code for today, I'm

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Adam Curry from Belgium, thank you for tuning in, as always comments are welcome, Adam

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Curry.com, please I need more email, and to my weblog, Curry.com live. Curry.com, of course

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you can get all the archives in the latest source code at dailysourcecode.com where you can also

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subscribe to the podcast, RSSSP, and that'll do it for today, perfect one hour and three

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minutes, so I'll be back tomorrow for another source code as we say in France, Viva, let's

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have a new show

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