1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,480 Daily source code, 126-2005. 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,040 Like, you know, does Adam Curry 3 00:00:08,040 --> 00:00:11,320 cup his hand to his ass fart and then smell it? 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,520 Adam, the listeners of the Daily Download want to know. 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,320 Autistic, it's Adam Curry. 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,400 It is Thursday, January 27th. 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,160 The power of the door, the door, the door. 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,720 Everybody, how you doing? 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,120 Is Adam Curry coming to you from Curry Cottage 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,240 in the affluent Surrey Subber? 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,440 Sorry, Surrey Subber called Gilford. 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,600 It's almost 10am. 13 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,080 It is Thursday, January 27th. 14 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,880 It's 2005. 15 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,520 I was just a little snippet from the Daily Download. 16 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,320 The answer, of course, is yes. 17 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,320 Of course, I'd love to be on your show. 18 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:57,320 I cannot imagine anything higher in life for me than you. 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,040 Sitting in my bathroom studio, 20 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,680 Skyping to your bathroom studio. 21 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,960 I mean, that would be fantastic. 22 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,880 All right, today's source code, as promised, 23 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,400 a little bit different today. 24 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,040 We're not going to do a sound scene tour. 25 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,440 You know, we try to vary the format from time to time. 26 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:17,480 Today is just going to be a conversation with Ken Clark. 27 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:18,280 I told you about him. 28 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,160 He worked at MTV for 20 years. 29 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,720 Now, I've worked with Ken for at least 15 of those 20 years. 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,240 Maybe even a little bit more. 31 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,880 He's, we have a state mogul right now 32 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,880 of in Portland, Oregon. 33 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,840 And we decided that we would just shoot the shit a little bit 34 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,360 about the old MTV days. 35 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,400 Actually, it started with the Carson Daily song 36 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,480 that I played the other day, where we wanted to figure out 37 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,520 where all the MTV VJs have gone. 38 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,040 It turns out there are actually 37 different VJs 39 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,240 that can us work within the past 20 years. 40 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:58,920 A lot of this conversation, I got actually 41 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,920 let Patricia listen to it yesterday. 42 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,320 Some of it's a bit inside. 43 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:04,600 But let me know what you think about it. 44 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:05,880 We should continue because, of course, 45 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,800 we only got like eight of the 37 people. 46 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,560 So if you think it's worth continuing, 47 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,880 let me know at curry.com. 48 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,080 Enjoy this. 49 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:22,360 On the Skype call now is someone who literally lived in my house 50 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:27,160 more than I did for a number of years. 51 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,160 Who, who nannied me when necessary. 52 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:39,880 And is one of the unsung heroes of the breakthrough of MTV. 53 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,800 My friend and colleague, and this thing was gentleman 54 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,960 from somewhere with the West Coast, where the fuck is it? 55 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:46,520 Portland. 56 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:47,480 That's Portland. 57 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:48,760 Portland, Oregon. 58 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,920 Canster J, Ken Clark. 59 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:52,280 Welcome everybody. 60 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:53,960 Yeah, I'm here everybody. 61 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,680 So I actually have Skype recording for the first time. 62 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,560 Maybe it's the good karma you're bringing me. 63 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,240 Well, we'll see how it goes. 64 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,720 Immediately it started skipping. 65 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,240 Of course, of course. 66 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,000 Okay, Ken. 67 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,120 Let me set this up. 68 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,240 Let me set this up. 69 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,360 In our bad weeks with Skype. 70 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,760 Yeah, this is going pretty good so far. 71 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,600 Let me set this up. 72 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:22,360 I met you in 1987, Halloween around Halloween of 1987. 73 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:28,680 When I arrived on Ellis Island from from the Nether regions, 74 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,360 the lowlands and with my girlfriend, with my girlfriend, 75 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,000 she wasn't even my fiance then. 76 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,440 She's my girlfriend Patricia. 77 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,480 And that's when I started at MTV. 78 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,240 And what was your title at the time, Ken? 79 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,400 Was it, what was the official title? 80 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:45,880 It started. 81 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,000 I was probably VJ coordinator. 82 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,760 I'm going to crank your level up a little bit here. 83 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,360 VJ coordinator. 84 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,520 That's a sucky title. 85 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,600 Well, later I, it was, uh, I got promoted to manager of on air talent. 86 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,720 Did you get a, did you get a pay raise with that? 87 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:04,520 A little bit. 88 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,240 MTV was never famous for paying well though. 89 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:08,760 I actually told everyone the other day. 90 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:09,560 Yeah. 91 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,160 Yeah, I heard you talking about it. 92 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,120 You did okay. 93 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard you talking about it. 94 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,960 You did better than me, too. 95 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:23,960 The very first VJ started for like 4550,000 bucks back in 1981. 96 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:24,760 1981. 97 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,120 August 1st, 1981. 98 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,960 Yeah, and by the time you guys came around, everybody, you know, 99 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,960 was pretty staggered that it had gone way over $100,000. 100 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:34,760 Yeah. 101 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,400 But I think I made the most of all the, uh, 102 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,520 I made more than Julie Brown. 103 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,360 Tell me I did. 104 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:41,960 I think you probably did in the end. 105 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:42,360 Yeah. 106 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,720 You guys both ended up with kind of weird deals. 107 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,720 You were only doing certain shows, certain things. 108 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:48,760 I mean, I had no show. 109 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:49,960 I got fucking fired. 110 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,720 We, I got fired 25 times. 111 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,720 Well, yeah, but I mean, 112 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,720 we did go back after a while and 113 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:56,720 I feel like a week. 114 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,720 I didn't do them like the top 20 countdown once a week. 115 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,720 Because they couldn't find anyone to do it. 116 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,720 Well, yeah. 117 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,720 They still haven't apparently. 118 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,720 But you already work out for one then, right? 119 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:08,720 You already working for me. 120 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:09,720 So what happened is Ken? 121 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:10,720 Yeah, that point. 122 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:11,720 Yes. 123 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:12,720 When did you start? 124 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,720 This is, we're never going to be able to fit this in 45 minutes. 125 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,720 When did you start at MTV? 126 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,720 Because it must have been a couple years before I got there. 127 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:24,720 I started at MTV on New Year's Eve, 1984, 85. 128 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,720 I flew into New York like the day after Christmas. 129 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,720 I was supposed to start in January. 130 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,720 They called me up on New Year's Eve day and said, 131 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:32,720 We're short staff. 132 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:33,720 Come down here. 133 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,720 We're doing our live New Year's Eve ball. 134 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,720 That was 1984 and 1985 New Year's Eve. 135 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,720 Goddamn. 136 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:41,720 Wow. 137 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,720 And so that was with the original guys. 138 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:44,720 Oh, yeah. 139 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,720 Everyone thinks I'm one of the original VJs. 140 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,720 And I keep telling him, well, you were around two. 141 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:49,720 Yeah. 142 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,720 But that was when MTV really exploded into 40 million households. 143 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:53,720 Yeah. 144 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:54,720 Yeah. 145 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:55,720 Definitely. 146 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:56,720 You guys were there for that. 147 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:57,720 The first group. 148 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:58,720 But you know, Martha stayed on. 149 00:05:58,720 --> 00:05:59,720 I think longer than anybody else. 150 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,720 But the majority of everybody else were gone within the first five years. 151 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:04,720 And it was. 152 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:10,720 Off to a lustreous careers elsewhere between Channel 66 and 68 UHF. 153 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:11,720 Well, it's interesting. 154 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,720 I made a couple of years ago, MTV few years ago. 155 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,720 Actually, MTV brought me back a couple of times to do those. 156 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,720 I was an MTV VJ specialist. 157 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:21,720 I know you came back to. 158 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:22,720 It was one of them. 159 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:23,720 Yeah, one. 160 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:24,720 Yeah. 161 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:25,720 What was that? 162 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:26,720 It was was it some anniversary. 163 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,720 It was an MTV VJ two. 164 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,720 And you were at on ramp at the time. 165 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:31,720 And I was already here in Oregon. 166 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:32,720 I flew back to do it. 167 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:37,720 But for that show, I had prepared a list of everybody that I could think of. 168 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,720 That I had worked with as a VJ over the. 169 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:41,720 I was 10 years that I was there. 170 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,720 So I come prepared at least with a list of people. 171 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:44,720 Because there's names on this list. 172 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:45,720 I don't even remember. 173 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,720 I remember like who the hell was Tricksie. 174 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:49,720 Tricksie. 175 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:50,720 I remember Tricksie. 176 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:51,720 Sure. 177 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:52,720 Andrew Dado. 178 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:53,720 There's another one for you. 179 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:54,720 He's on the list. 180 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:55,720 I've got him on the list. 181 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:56,720 Ah. 182 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:57,720 You know. 183 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:58,720 I'm sorry. 184 00:06:58,720 --> 00:06:59,720 Wendy Westbrook. 185 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:00,720 Oh, she was cute. 186 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:01,720 Wasn't she in like a kind of a. 187 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:02,720 I don't know. 188 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:03,720 She was. 189 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:04,720 She was. 190 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:05,720 Yeah. 191 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:06,720 No, no. 192 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:07,720 She was. 193 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:08,720 She was. 194 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:09,720 She was someone. 195 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:11,720 It's Wendy Westbrook. 196 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:12,720 Everybody. 197 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:13,720 I do it. 198 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:14,720 Yes. 199 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:15,720 She was a radio chick. 200 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:16,720 That's why yes. 201 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:17,720 Like kind of a Tom Boyer's thing. 202 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:18,720 Yeah. 203 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:19,720 Radio chicks are kind of Tom Boyer's. 204 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:20,720 Yeah. 205 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:21,720 Well, there's a long list of names here. 206 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,720 And the post MTV successes you pointed out. 207 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,720 The other day has been pretty disastrous. 208 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,720 Well, it's so hard. 209 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,720 You know, it's like, you know that once you've been an MTV VJ, you basically can't 210 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,720 be anything else but that. 211 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:38,720 It's certainly not in show business. 212 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,720 I don't think I got what I got on the swamp thing. 213 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,720 I had a pretty successful radio career. 214 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:45,720 But that was. 215 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,720 The thing I hate about still have that somewhere. 216 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:48,720 God, the swamp thing. 217 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:49,720 I'm sure I have the video. 218 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:50,720 It's a great episode. 219 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,720 Christina could watch it for the longest time because it actually scared her. 220 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:55,720 It scared her. 221 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:56,720 Yes. 222 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:57,720 She thought it was very crap. 223 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:58,720 It was funny crap. 224 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,720 But it was crap. 225 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:00,720 Awesome. 226 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:01,720 I was. 227 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:02,720 I was good. 228 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:03,720 I was good. 229 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,720 I was good. 230 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,720 Like washed up rock star. 231 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:08,720 Uh-huh. 232 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,720 Talk about your type casting. 233 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:17,720 But yeah, I mean, you know, there have been some people like Daisy. 234 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,720 You know, he said, she had a lot of success. 235 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,720 Certainly after she hooked up modeling. 236 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,720 What's his name? 237 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,720 Miguel Luis Miguel or whatever. 238 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,720 Yeah, but she was already doing it. 239 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,720 I think she was a ravlon girl. 240 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,720 I've always, always, always love Daisy. 241 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:36,720 I did too. 242 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,720 She was a really, really cool chick. 243 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:39,720 Yeah. 244 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:40,720 And she was gorgeous. 245 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:41,720 Yeah. 246 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:42,720 And she let me feel her. 247 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:43,720 Yeah. 248 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:49,720 We had Nina Allen, Mark J.J. and Martha were the original five MTV VJs. 249 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,720 Martha has retired and is got two kids and lives in Malibu with her husband. 250 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:55,720 Really? 251 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:56,720 Really? 252 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,720 And commercial soundtracks and Martha really doesn't have a big desire to work. 253 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,720 She's really happy being a mom. 254 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:02,720 Would she live in the cage? 255 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,720 Well, we were not to fast, not to fast. 256 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:05,720 Okay. 257 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:06,720 Does she live in the colony? 258 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:07,720 Of Malibu? 259 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:08,720 Of Malibu? 260 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:09,720 In the colony? 261 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:10,720 Yeah. 262 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:11,720 I don't know exactly. 263 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,720 They just moved to Malibu from the Hollywood Hills this last summer. 264 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:15,720 Hmm. 265 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:16,720 Okay. 266 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:17,720 How old are kids? 267 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,720 So kids are like eight nine from like that? 268 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:21,720 Oh, God. 269 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,720 You know, I just don't know with Martha and the kids at this zoo. 270 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,720 No, her youngest is like three or four. 271 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:28,720 Probably three-ish. 272 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,720 And then the older is six, seven. 273 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,720 For extra points, what are their names? 274 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,720 Maizee and Dylan. 275 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:38,720 Oh, okay. 276 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:39,720 Cool. 277 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,720 And we're talking out at the Central Park Zoo. 278 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,720 And our husband's nice, school. 279 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:44,720 Yeah. 280 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:51,720 Jordan Tarlo used to be the guitarist for a band called The Fuzz Tones, which were an early 120-minute 281 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:52,720 MTV band. 282 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:53,720 Oh. 283 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:54,720 Yeah. 284 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:59,720 They met, you know, it was funny because everybody thought Nina was the party girl. 285 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,720 And Martha was the girl next door when, in fact, Nina was born. 286 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,720 And it was the home body. 287 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:05,720 Yeah. 288 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,720 And Martha was going out with stiff baders from large of the new church. 289 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:09,720 Oh, that's right. 290 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:10,720 What was this? 291 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:11,720 What was the song? 292 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:12,720 Stuff in Martha's muffin. 293 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:13,720 What was that? 294 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:14,720 Stuff in Martha's muffin. 295 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:15,720 I can't remember who did that. 296 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:16,720 It was. 297 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:17,720 Fuck. 298 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,720 Wasn't that from the Georgia's not Georgia satellites? 299 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:21,720 When it was me. 300 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:22,720 It'll come to me when Roger. 301 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,720 George Thurgood or something like that? 302 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:25,720 I don't know. 303 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,720 Brittany Spears. 304 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:28,720 Abba. 305 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,720 So that's Martha. 306 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:38,720 But of the remaining four Nina Mark and JJ all ended up going back into radio. 307 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,720 You know, Nina spent a couple years on entertainment tonight. 308 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:42,720 And I think she did solve it. 309 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:43,720 Wait a minute. 310 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:44,720 Wait a minute. 311 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:45,720 Didn't. 312 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:46,720 Was it with Martha one second? 313 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,720 Didn't she do a nagsima commercial? 314 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:49,720 Yeah. 315 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:50,720 That was she did. 316 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,720 She did a few commercials after she left. 317 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,720 Did she ever do like time life? 318 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:56,720 Time life things. 319 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,720 Collections CDs. 320 00:10:58,720 --> 00:10:59,720 She may have. 321 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,720 I know Mark Goodman and Ellen and Ellen Hunter both did because I remember sitting up late party 322 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,720 and at like two in the morning and watching my my buddies. 323 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,720 Fuck time like time life products. 324 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:21,720 I never did. 325 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:22,720 I never did. 326 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,720 I placed paid the extra money so I could fly first class. 327 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,720 I just thought, you know, I did certain places. 328 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,720 I, you know, if you're a celebrity, you just have to. 329 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:30,720 I can't find it. 330 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:31,720 I can't find it. 331 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,720 Well, there was a day when MTV flew all of their talent first class. 332 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,720 And, you know, that was before they got cheated. 333 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,720 It was corporate and they ruined it. 334 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:43,720 It was so much. 335 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:44,720 There were stupid rules. 336 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,720 You know, like if the flight is less than three hours it has to. 337 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:48,720 I remember that. 338 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:49,720 Oh, yeah. 339 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:50,720 And here was the caveat. 340 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:51,720 And less. 341 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,720 There's another VJ on the plane. 342 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,720 Who is entitled to first class? 343 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:56,720 It's that point. 344 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,720 I was to bump the person in coach up to first class. 345 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:00,720 So anyone. 346 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:01,720 Everyone wanted to fly away. 347 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:09,720 No, they take you aside and they say, now you just don't ever put a VJ in coach on the same plane with somebody in first and we don't ever have to go there. 348 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:10,720 So yeah, exactly. 349 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:15,720 Certain people got to fly with their makeup artists and, you know, did their makeup artists fly from them. 350 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:16,720 Julie Brown. 351 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:22,720 And you know, I love Julie, but I spent a great deal of time negotiating crap over who flew. 352 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:23,720 Where? 353 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:24,720 Oh, my. 354 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:25,720 I remember that. 355 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:26,720 I remember the angst. 356 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,720 I remember seeing it on your face. 357 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,720 It was just ridiculous. 358 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,720 You know, I was just like, get on the plane. 359 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:33,720 You know, you got to show. 360 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,720 I take it on the plane. 361 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,720 Wait, you're going way too fast. 362 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,720 I mean, listen, we got to talk about Ted Demi. 363 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,720 We got to talk about Rick Kalman. 364 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,720 I mean, we can't just talk about the VJs. 365 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,720 I mean, there's a lot of people. 366 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,720 I guess I was following up on your point. 367 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,720 The track record for VJs has been made. 368 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:55,720 That's right. 369 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:56,720 Let's go. 370 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,720 Let's say when say there is certain people like Nina Allen. 371 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:01,720 Well, JJ died. 372 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,720 Nina Mark and JJ all got into radio. 373 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:05,720 JJ unfortunately. 374 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,720 Yes, passed away last March. 375 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:16,720 But the original for a VJ is now three minus JJ and Martha, who's retired are doing a serious 376 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:30,720 video network best of the eight. 377 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,720 Are on on one satellite channel? 378 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:34,720 Yes. 379 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,720 Interesting. 380 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,720 And so it's like 80 all eighties. 381 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:40,720 Yeah. 382 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:41,720 I keep getting those offers. 383 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,720 I get offers like that all the time. 384 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,720 People want me to, you know, host eighties. 385 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,720 Everything from eighties, sock hops. 386 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,720 Well, I tell you they, you know, they pay what they pay really well. 387 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,720 Allen I've been talking to. 388 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:55,720 Allen's the whole other story. 389 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:56,720 That's interesting. 390 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,720 He owns a film company. 391 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,720 I remember because I hooked up with him with that. 392 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,720 I was an MTV VJ too. 393 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,720 And he was telling me about it. 394 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,720 It seemed like he was into some pretty interesting shit. 395 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:08,720 Oh, Allen's rock. 396 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,720 And he's got a hell of a place set up down in Birmingham, Alabama. 397 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,720 How about that's where he was from. 398 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,720 And, you know, Allen's doing really good. 399 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,720 But he said, you know, he sits down once a week. 400 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,720 And he does the segments there and his computer. 401 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,720 And they get, you know, voice over IP, off the serious. 402 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,720 And, you know, that's it. 403 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:27,720 Done boom. 404 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:28,720 That's a thanks man hour. 405 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:29,720 Right. 406 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:30,720 Jack's Berlin. 407 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,720 Cool. 408 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,720 So that's pretty much it for that group. 409 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:37,720 And then there was. 410 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,720 But do they identify themselves as a high? 411 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,720 I'm not a good man. 412 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:43,720 I'm sorry. 413 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:44,720 Allen Hunter. 414 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:45,720 I doubt it. 415 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:47,720 I'm out on Hunter. 416 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:48,720 And I used to be on MTV. 417 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,720 Can they say that they were on MTV? 418 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:51,720 Do they do that? 419 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:52,720 And not show? 420 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:53,720 Because, you know, that was a big problem. 421 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:54,720 They probably do. 422 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:55,720 They must. 423 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:56,720 But you remember when you do 100. 424 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,720 Do you remember how pissed off everybody was coming? 425 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:00,720 I'm sorry. 426 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:01,720 I'm sorry. 427 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:02,720 You're my guest. 428 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:03,720 Please go ahead. 429 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,720 Well, I stepped on you. 430 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,720 All I was going to say is if you go to serious.com and look it up. 431 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:09,720 It's like best of the 80s. 432 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,720 And it completely identifies them as the original MTV VJs. 433 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:14,720 Okay. 434 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,720 Now, do you remember how much shit I got from MTV? 435 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,720 Because I would be identified as Adam Curry from MTV on the radio. 436 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:24,720 Yeah. 437 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,720 But at one point it got negotiated that you were allowed to mention your TV guy. 438 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:30,720 I think. 439 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:31,720 Oh, that's right. 440 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,720 I was on the on TV. 441 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:34,720 Yeah. 442 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,720 And then in return, you would plug your MTV shows on your. 443 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,720 I was probably the top 30 hit list. 444 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:41,720 Yeah. 445 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:42,720 God. 446 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:43,720 I negotiated that. 447 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:44,720 Yeah. 448 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:45,720 Very good. 449 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,720 Carefully negotiated cross mentions. 450 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,720 You know, can by the way. 451 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,720 Once you with me. 452 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,720 Uh, during the MTV.com lawsuit. 453 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:55,720 Oh, goodness. 454 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:56,720 Yes. 455 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:57,720 Yeah. 456 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:58,720 You, you, you, you, you still have all that crap can. 457 00:15:58,720 --> 00:15:59,720 I moved it with me. 458 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,720 I have all that fucking shit. 459 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,720 The cases of files. 460 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:04,720 Yep. 461 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,720 I haven't even the, the three and a half inch floppies. 462 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:07,720 All the printouts. 463 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,720 All the legal documents. 464 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:10,720 Joe Donnelly. 465 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:11,720 Remember him? 466 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,720 I was just going to say that lawsuit proved one thing if one thing only. 467 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,720 It really pays to have a really, really, really good lawyer. 468 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:20,720 Yeah. 469 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,720 And we really pay him a shitload of money too. 470 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,720 Well, I don't know. 471 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,720 We're like $250,000. 472 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,720 I don't think MTV thought that, you know, you would, I, I think, you know, 473 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,720 Viacom and MTV typically in those situations. 474 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,720 Expect the little guy to curl up in a ball and say you win, you win, I give. 475 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,720 You know, they should have just asked for the asked for it. 476 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,720 If they'd asked me, I would have given it to you. 477 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:43,720 You didn't. 478 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,720 You know, I think you surprised them because you didn't curl up in a ball. 479 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,720 That's, that's I think we can probably say that. 480 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:49,720 But I totally pulled it. 481 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,720 David and Goliath in the press on them. 482 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:52,720 That work pretty well. 483 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:53,720 Exactly. 484 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,720 And in fact, it was the pressing me. 485 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:01,720 It was probably the best thing for, for getting you in the press and launching your new endeavor, 486 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,720 which was the web and on ramp after MTV. 487 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,720 The press that came out of that was the best press that money could buy. 488 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:09,720 That's right. 489 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,720 You haven't even been looking good no matter what anybody said. 490 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,720 You came off looking good and it came off looking good. 491 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:16,720 Like fucker. 492 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:17,720 Yeah. 493 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,720 Do you have any press clippings still? 494 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:20,720 Yeah. 495 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:21,720 I've got boxes of stuff. 496 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,720 Do you have any of those particular press clippings? 497 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:26,720 Yeah. 498 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:27,720 Then I'm not sure about that. 499 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:28,720 That was in a separate file. 500 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:29,720 We're depressing. 501 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:30,720 I'm sorry. 502 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:31,720 I'm sorry. 503 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:32,720 We're digressing. 504 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,720 That would be somewhere else like in a curry co-on ramp. 505 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,720 A few ideas of file. 506 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,720 I've got the MTV files here. 507 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:39,720 Yeah. 508 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:40,720 Okay. 509 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,720 I still have boxes and boxes of three quarter inch tape, too. 510 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,720 And there's some really funny stuff on them if they haven't molded. 511 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,720 You know, I have the outtake reel. 512 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,720 I have, that's the one that we're Julie says. 513 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:53,720 Kiss my clip. 514 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,720 I have that one. 515 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,720 It's a great reel. 516 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:57,720 I love that reel. 517 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:58,720 And Kevin Seal. 518 00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:59,720 Kevin Seal is like, 519 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,720 She got all Dave Diner account too. 520 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:02,720 Yeah. 521 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:03,720 Dave Diner. 522 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:04,720 That's right. 523 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:05,720 Dave Diner was a four manager. 524 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:06,720 I like Dave Diner. 525 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:08,720 I liked him. 526 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,720 He reminded me of my dad. 527 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:11,720 He was very dry. 528 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:12,720 Very dry. 529 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:13,720 He was cool. 530 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:14,720 Yeah. 531 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:15,720 He was all right. 532 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:16,720 He made me laugh. 533 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:17,720 Gosh, man. 534 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:18,720 Well, some of them were poor in our camera. 535 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,720 I wonder if Warren is still on camera. 536 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:21,720 I bet you. 537 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,720 Warren or Celeste has probably still there. 538 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:25,720 You know, shriveled up in a corner. 539 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:26,720 Camp. 540 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,720 It's got to be on a handheld with a tripod. 541 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,720 You know, because MTV, they wouldn't really want to do things to you. 542 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,720 Either you aged at twice to speed or it stopped you from 543 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,720 aging during the time you were there. 544 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:38,720 That's right. 545 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,720 For you, for the good people, 546 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,720 it stopped us from aging during the time we were there. 547 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:44,720 Yeah. 548 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:45,720 Well, you know, 549 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,720 you were talking about the camera people. 550 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:49,720 Operators. 551 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:50,720 And not only them, but, you know, 552 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:51,720 Jeff on Cairon, you know, 553 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,720 the, the Cairon is the, 554 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:54,720 that's what they bring, you know, 555 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:55,720 the letters they bring up. 556 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:56,720 So, you know, 557 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:57,720 with your name or whatever. 558 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:58,720 And we had a great guy, 559 00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:59,720 the Cairon operator Jeff, 560 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:00,720 because he couldn't spell. 561 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:01,720 That was like, 562 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:07,720 You know, 563 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,720 like the first required because it was, 564 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:16,720 it was, you know, 565 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,720 and Rick would audio and just a feedback with the crew. 566 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:19,720 Otherwise, 567 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,720 you're sitting there and a fucking dead studio. 568 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,720 Talking shit without seeing the videos, you know? 569 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:25,720 Have you talked to Rick recently? 570 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:26,720 You keep sending that. 571 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,720 I mean, 572 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:29,720 I have more recently than I have, I think. 573 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,720 I looked up a couple. 574 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,720 He visited you once in Amsterdam. 575 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:34,720 I think that was, 576 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:41,720 That was, oh, that was a well back, but I saw him in New York and we kept in touch a little bit, he's a sex-fiend. 577 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,720 I got, he's in all kinds of... 578 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,720 Yeah, I don't know. 579 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:46,720 He's always into somebody. 580 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,720 He's married for a long time and had a lovely wife and a lovely relationship. 581 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:55,720 Joe and I decided he wanted to have sex with lesbians. 582 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,720 And I'm like, yeah, I get it. 583 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,720 Lesbians Swedish made. 584 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,720 Yeah, she was cool. 585 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:06,720 Anyway, so, um, who was next? 586 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,720 Then I came in to talk about women. 587 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,720 You, you, you don't have never asked you, will you? 588 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,720 I've never asked you exactly what that was like from your end. 589 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:15,720 I remember coming in. 590 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:16,720 I remember my first day. 591 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,720 I remember what it was like. 592 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,720 But I don't think you've ever told me what it was like on the other side. 593 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,720 Because, you know, they've apparently hired some geek. 594 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:36,720 I remember you and Julie and Daisy and Kevin Seel starting probably more than anybody else, 595 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,720 because down the road after that, they kept turning over. 596 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,720 And you know, I hear a comes another one. 597 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,720 So, who did you come in? 598 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,720 Oh, Kevin Seel came in first, I bet, right? 599 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:46,720 Because that was a part of the... 600 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,720 Kevin Seel was the one they did, the Great College VJs. 601 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:51,720 Right. 602 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,720 When to college campuses around the United States and auditioned people and out of thousands of people, 603 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,720 somehow they ended up with Kevin Seel. 604 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,720 His audition was truly brilliant, although as it turned out later, he may have been on mushrooms at the time. 605 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:11,720 Kevin Seel is one of the most talented comedians I have ever met in my life, and he is completely disadvantaged. 606 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:16,720 He is completely deranged and podcasted by the way, would be perfect for him. 607 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,720 Last I heard from Kevin, he was married, he was in Seattle. 608 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,720 I believe he had kids, and I think he had gone and done something. 609 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,720 Remember, he was an engineering major. 610 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:28,720 He was fucking brilliant. 611 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:29,720 He was brilliant. 612 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,720 Well, yeah, but I think he's actually building bridges or something. 613 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:34,720 Did... 614 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,720 He was hanging out with Bernie, right? 615 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,720 Remember Bernie? 616 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:39,720 Hmm. 617 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,720 Bernie, our receptionist, our emergency. 618 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:43,720 Bernie does it. 619 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:44,720 Bernie does it. 620 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:45,720 Yeah. 621 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,720 The emergency were friends, frankly. 622 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,720 And they probably still talk. 623 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:49,720 I've lost that baby. 624 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:50,720 She was great. 625 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,720 She was a hoot dough. 626 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:52,720 Oh man, she was so cool. 627 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:53,720 She was whacked. 628 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,720 Well, how would Stern used to call our studio all the time in the morning live? 629 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,720 And he would talk to her, right? 630 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,720 And try to get through to Steve leads. 631 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,720 And Steve leads emailed me. 632 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,720 What's he doing? 633 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,720 He's consulting for serious. 634 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:10,720 He probably got... 635 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:11,720 Of course, there's a link. 636 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,720 He's like, you got marches out on the ground. 637 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,720 We'd remember going back to your question of what it was like when you guys started. 638 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,720 I mean, it was really strange because, you know, original VJs had left. 639 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:36,720 And it was family. 640 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,720 And everybody was really kind of very nervous about how this was going to be. 641 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,720 And what it was going to be like with new people. 642 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,720 Right. 643 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,720 And I can't remember whether you came first or Julie or Kevin A. 644 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:47,720 I don't know. 645 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,720 But I remember, you know, Julie was on TV and... 646 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:52,720 She wasn't... 647 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,720 Like a dancer on television. 648 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,720 Yeah, something. 649 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,720 She was... 650 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:57,720 Yeah, yeah. 651 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:58,720 She was that. 652 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,720 And she was also doing like TV AM or something. 653 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,720 And they had flown her over to do an audition. 654 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,720 And I remember coming over and being very British and very nervous. 655 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:07,720 Really? 656 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:08,720 Really. 657 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,720 You see, the thing with Julie Brown, the thing with Julie Brown. 658 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:13,720 Sorry for interrupting you, Ken. 659 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,720 Is that she was... 660 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,720 The perfect example of why MTV was fucked up from day one. 661 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:22,720 We're not from day one. 662 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:23,720 But, you know, when these... 663 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:29,720 When the new people came in because Julie off camera was fucking hilarious. 664 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:30,720 I mean, we... 665 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:31,720 Very much. 666 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:32,720 We had to stop. 667 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,720 I mean, people were in stitches dying on the floor. 668 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,720 It was just so hilarious. 669 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,720 And the foul mouth... 670 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:40,720 I mean, she... 671 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,720 No one had anything on her. 672 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:43,720 And it was funny. 673 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:44,720 It was really... 674 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:45,720 Funny. 675 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,720 But, you know, that was not the stuff that MTV aired. 676 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:49,720 What they aired was... 677 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:50,720 No, they were... 678 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:51,720 The... 679 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:52,720 The... 680 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:53,720 The... 681 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:54,720 It was boring. 682 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,720 And then she turned around and said, okay, it's my clip. 683 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:56,720 And it was like, ah! 684 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:57,720 She was... 685 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:58,720 Jennifer... 686 00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:59,720 Jennifer... 687 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:00,720 And Ab Fab... 688 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:01,720 Way before their time. 689 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,720 I'm just... 690 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:03,720 Well, I'm sorry, not Joan Rivers. 691 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:04,720 But she was before Ab Fab. 692 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,720 She probably already had stolen a lot of her... 693 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:07,720 Or... 694 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,720 But it was influenced by a... 695 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,720 By a lot of that British humor that I'm seeing here. 696 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:12,720 But she was great. 697 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,720 And that just never made it on the air. 698 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:15,720 No. 699 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,720 Unfortunately, the funny stuff didn't all go on... 700 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,720 Oh, and Julie, by the way, is married to a... 701 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,720 For foul player? 702 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:25,720 No, no, no. 703 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:26,720 Baseball? 704 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:27,720 No, nothing like that. 705 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:28,720 Oh, like a guy with boats? 706 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,720 Like a guy with boats? 707 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:30,720 No, he's... 708 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:31,720 Yeah, but he's like a real estate guy. 709 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:32,720 I... 710 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:33,720 Yeah. 711 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,720 It's got money. 712 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,720 Like a developer. 713 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:37,720 Yeah, he's got money. 714 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,720 Yeah, right now. 715 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,720 And he has a daughter that was very, very young when he and Julie got married. 716 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,720 So Julie's basically raised his child as her own. 717 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,720 And Julie, I think, is probably one of the world's best moms. 718 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,720 And is very, very happy. 719 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,720 And not doing a lot of work either. 720 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:54,720 She... 721 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,720 She... 722 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,720 They're in California. 723 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:57,720 Wasn't she married to that model? 724 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,720 First, can, like, some male model that she was with? 725 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,720 I don't know. 726 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:02,720 She was actually married. 727 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,720 Whenever married there, that was her fiance, Chris. 728 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,720 She was from England with her to New York. 729 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,720 Oh, that's... 730 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,720 And during the time that they were in New York together, 731 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,720 he, in fact, 732 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:13,720 funny sidebar. 733 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,720 But back, before Mariah Carey was Mariah Carey, 734 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,720 she used to work at a sports bar on the opposite side of Manhattan. 735 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:20,720 Yeah. 736 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,720 And he was on some rugby team. 737 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:23,720 Right. 738 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:24,720 I remember that. 739 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,720 She'd always have to go pick him up after he played. 740 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:27,720 Right. 741 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,720 Well, apparently, she... 742 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,720 Julie caught Chris in Demariah Carey. 743 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:34,720 Let me tell you. 744 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,720 If I had to line him up next to each other, 745 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,720 I'd totally go from Mariah Carey. 746 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,720 Oh, totally. 747 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,720 Totally. 748 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:42,720 But I bet you, Julie. 749 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,720 But Julie, I bet you was hot in the sack, 750 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,720 because, you know, she did Billy Idol. 751 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,720 I mean, that's pretty cool. 752 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,720 Anyway, Chris ran off with all her money 753 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:51,720 and started to succeed this week. 754 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:52,720 No. 755 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:53,720 We clubbed in California. 756 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,720 Oh, that's horrible. 757 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:55,720 What happened after that? 758 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:56,720 He ran off with her in the street. 759 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:57,720 Well, she didn't have any money. 760 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:58,720 She didn't have any real money. 761 00:25:58,720 --> 00:25:59,720 She didn't have any real money. 762 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,720 She didn't have any real money. 763 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:01,720 But she didn't have any real money. 764 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,720 I mean, she was living paycheck to paycheck like the rest. 765 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,720 Actually, she did. 766 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,720 I mean, she... 767 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:06,720 She... 768 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,720 She'd saved up some money in England, 769 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,720 and they owned a house. 770 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:10,720 And, you know, she was... 771 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:11,720 She was doing okay there. 772 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:12,720 MTV is... 773 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:13,720 Well, and... 774 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,720 Hmm. 775 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,720 You and Julie, I think, were probably the two that... 776 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,720 I have no idea if they pay like they used to. 777 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:21,720 And I'm sure, you know, 778 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,720 oh, people like Carson Daily got to a point 779 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:24,720 where they were proud. 780 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,720 He must have very good money. 781 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:26,720 He must have been made to know that. 782 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:27,720 At least 200,000. 783 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,720 I bet he was making 200,000. 784 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:30,720 Not much more. 785 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:32,720 But, you know, that's why... 786 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,720 You did make at least 200,000 to live like a neighbor. 787 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,720 Like a neighbor in Manhattan these days, so... 788 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:37,720 Yeah. 789 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:38,720 Well, but, you know, you get all your appearances, 790 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:39,720 and all the other shit if you... 791 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,720 I never really did that. 792 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,720 I only did that to promote my radio shows. 793 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,720 I didn't do fucking store openings. 794 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,720 Although, I did do... 795 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:45,720 Like the Popeyes. 796 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:46,720 The Popeyes, yes. 797 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,720 The Popeyes chicken grand opening. 798 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:50,720 Okay, fuck you. 799 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,720 You weren't going to bring that up, can. 800 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,720 He... 801 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:54,720 Where was that? 802 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:55,720 Where was that? 803 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,720 I don't remember where it was. 804 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,720 It was down the south, like New Orleans... 805 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,720 No, no, New Orleans was great. 806 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,720 You'd have to fly off and do another silly radio promo. 807 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,720 And I think I learned an awful lot working for you in those years 808 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,720 because there are no silly or people, and there's no silly or business 809 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,720 and syndicated... 810 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,720 I said the kid in front of you. 811 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,720 Everybody, how are you doing? 812 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,720 I mean, that is silly shit. 813 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,720 Christina says hi, she can't hear you, 814 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,720 but she's in the room. 815 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,720 Yeah, it's Ken. 816 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:26,720 Yeah, Ken. 817 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:27,720 Your buddy Ken. 818 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,720 Well, tell her I said hello. 819 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:29,720 Yeah. 820 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:30,720 He says hi. 821 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,720 For people that didn't sound very enthusiastic, 822 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,720 it's hard to explain to people the relationship I have with Christina, 823 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,720 which we don't really have at this point. 824 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,720 But I mean... 825 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,720 She loves you better. 826 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:41,720 She still loves you. 827 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,720 Your daughter and I were very much in love when I was in my late 20s 828 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:46,720 and she was too. 829 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,720 Right. 830 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:48,720 Right. 831 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,720 And let's just explain because at a certain point... 832 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:52,720 Quite enough fair. 833 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,720 When did I ask you to come work for me and leave MTV? 834 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,720 God, I was really fucking with him. 835 00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:59,720 Right. 836 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,720 93. 837 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:02,720 93. 838 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:03,720 Really was that late. 839 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:04,720 So it was like... 840 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,720 92. 841 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,720 93. 842 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,720 It was around there. 843 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:08,720 Right. 844 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,720 Right. 845 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:10,720 Right. 846 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:11,720 Right. 847 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:12,720 And so... 848 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,720 When was the occasion? 849 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:14,720 Why did I need you? 850 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,720 You had fired... 851 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:18,720 Ivan. 852 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,720 The Joan Jet People. 853 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,720 Oh, right. 854 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:23,720 Kenny. 855 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:24,720 Kenny Laguna. 856 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:25,720 That was so ugly. 857 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,720 That was so fucking ugly. 858 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,720 But you know... 859 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:28,720 Kenny was a great guy. 860 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,720 But Steve Lieber was hard to deal with. 861 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:31,720 Well... 862 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:32,720 There were arosimists. 863 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,720 It was the one that they fired. 864 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,720 Yeah. 865 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,720 You would come to New York and you had done the appropriate thing. 866 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:38,720 You had hired publicist. 867 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,720 You had hired agents. 868 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,720 You'd hired managers. 869 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,720 And you know, I think at the end of the day, 870 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,720 you realize that maybe you don't need all that crap. 871 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:47,720 No. 872 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,720 You can do yourself. 873 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,720 Yeah. 874 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:50,720 Exactly. 875 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,720 There's no point in paying somebody a percentage like that. 876 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,720 But a lot of people have done. 877 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,720 And you were actually pretty early on in doing it. 878 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,720 But you said, I don't need all these people. 879 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,720 I just need to hire somebody. 880 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,720 Yeah. 881 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,720 On staff who can take care of a lot of those day-to-day functions. 882 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,720 And then keep the agent because they only make a percent if they bring the money in. 883 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,720 Yeah. 884 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,720 But check this. 885 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:10,720 You also hire the manager. 886 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,720 It makes a percent of everything you make. 887 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:13,720 Right. 888 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:14,720 Fuckers. 889 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,720 Fucking bandits. 890 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,720 So you walked into my office one day. 891 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,720 And I was, you know, I'd been there for nine years. 892 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,720 And the vibe of what was going on at the channel had changed considerably. 893 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,720 Who was running the show then? 894 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,720 Because we should talk about that one time. 895 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,720 Who was running the show? 896 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,720 What light switch was the operation light switch? 897 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,720 Was it this time? 898 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,720 On what level? 899 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,720 Ah, who was, what was the production? 900 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,720 What were we doing? 901 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,720 Remember we had all those different phases that we went through. 902 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,720 And we had the blue screens. 903 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,720 And then we had, you know, five seconds of talking. 904 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:45,720 You know, that shit. 905 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:46,720 Remember how we went through all that? 906 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,720 I think we'd kind of almost come full circle. 907 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,720 We were, we had gone down to 42nd and rebuilt a big real life set again at that. 908 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,720 That's the new studio. 909 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,720 Yeah, those were nine. 910 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,720 Yeah. 911 00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,720 That was cool. 912 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:09,720 And, you know, things had gone a little bit back to, you know, normal VJ day parts and actual segments that, you know, were more than two seconds. 913 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,720 I bet you the radio guys were backing. 914 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:12,720 What was his name? 915 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,720 Andy, Andy. 916 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,720 Who was programmed right? 917 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:18,720 Andy. 918 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,720 Something. 919 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:20,720 He was. 920 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:21,720 I bet you he was in. 921 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,720 Because it was running like radio again. 922 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,720 Yeah. 923 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:24,720 Yeah. 924 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,720 He was a guy that it didn't care. 925 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,720 Andy's shown. 926 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:27,720 Andy's shown. 927 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:28,720 Andy's shown. 928 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,720 Yeah. 929 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,720 Because he had. 930 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:31,720 Yeah. 931 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,720 Yeah. 932 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,720 He had known Kennedy. 933 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,720 Kennedy, by the way, is no longer in the business. 934 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,720 I think she's, she's, no, we know what Kennedy's doing. 935 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,720 No, no, we know what Kennedy's doing. 936 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:42,720 No, no, we know what Kennedy's doing. 937 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,720 No, no, we know what Kennedy's doing. 938 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:58,720 I'm just going to show some kind of bad. 939 00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:59,720 TV show somewhere. 940 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,720 Always kind of, you know, the hip Republican as it were. 941 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,720 That's why I hated her. 942 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,720 And they said, well, they've, they've really dusted her off. 943 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,720 Remember when she fucked up my ass? 944 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:10,720 Can that? 945 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,720 Why did you fuck up your, do you remember that? 946 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,720 Well, I told the source of listeners who was my thigh. 947 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:17,720 It really was my thigh. 948 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,720 It really was my thigh. 949 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,720 Yes, I heard it. 950 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,720 And yeah, I do. 951 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:21,720 I've forgotten about that. 952 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,720 That was fucked up. 953 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:23,720 I've forgotten about that. 954 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,720 I don't think I was there at the time. 955 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,720 I was at the beach house. 956 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:27,720 That was very cool. 957 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,720 The beach house concept was fucking great. 958 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:30,720 The first time. 959 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,720 Yeah. 960 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,720 And you know, that always pissed me off because those fuckers never let me come. 961 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:35,720 Never let you know. 962 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,720 That was like the VMA. 963 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,720 Because there'd be one or two of you at the beach house. 964 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,720 And everybody else would be back in the studio. 965 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,720 So they felt it was better to have me back at the studio than out at the beach house. 966 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,720 We needed you to run the ship to Ken. 967 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,720 We needed to know that there's strong firm hand was on the wheel at all times. 968 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,720 Yeah. 969 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,720 And besides that, we just haven't too much fun. 970 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,720 We're having too much fun. 971 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,720 I'm on our old makeup artist in New York. 972 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:00,720 On the last year. 973 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,720 Do you meet? 974 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,720 Do you meet? 975 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,720 My trips to New York. 976 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,720 I was walking through the village. 977 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,720 And there was Keon before me. 978 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,720 Oh, Keon. 979 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:08,720 Oh, my God. 980 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:09,720 For Keon. 981 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:10,720 Yeah, of course. 982 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:11,720 How's Keon? 983 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,720 No, of course not. 984 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,720 Don't touch me. 985 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:14,720 Be honest. 986 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,720 Well, no. 987 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,720 Your wife was the only one that was led to do your makeup. 988 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,720 Yeah. 989 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,720 And my hair. 990 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,720 And your hair. 991 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:21,720 Well, you came in done. 992 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,720 And you were always funny. 993 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,720 You know, everybody else would come in and sweat and take an hour and a half to get 994 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,720 ready. 995 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,720 You'd come in 30 seconds after you were supposed to be on the set and just kind of walk in the 996 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,720 door and throw your jacket over the stool. 997 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,720 I always be like 30 seconds late. 998 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:34,720 Right. 999 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,720 I just strolling. 1000 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,720 Well, you were always calling from the tunnel. 1001 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,720 You know, you're right there. 1002 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,720 We're like ready. 1003 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,720 You know. 1004 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,720 You're ready. 1005 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:52,720 You're ready. 1006 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:53,720 We're always in the tunnel. 1007 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,720 Right. 1008 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,720 But the time you ran out of gas in the tunnel. 1009 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:57,720 Oh, dude. 1010 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,720 Oh, you're in a Rolls Royce. 1011 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:00,720 Let me tell you. 1012 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:07,720 A quick way to make yourself really hated in New York is to run out of gas in a Rolls Royce 1013 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:08,720 in the afternoon. 1014 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,720 I broke down to the Honda, but everybody thought, sorry for me. 1015 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,720 And they come out with this god awful yellow thing with these two big, big bumpers 1016 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,720 and literally just bump their ass out of the way. 1017 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,720 It just bump you all the way. 1018 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,720 And the Rolls when it's not when the engine's not running, you have no power steering. 1019 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,720 And so it's like this little, this little wheel like this grandma thin wheel that you know, 1020 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,720 you're pulling with all your might and it's like, you know, the thing is creaking 1021 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,720 and the tie issues. 1022 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,720 That was a horrendous experience. 1023 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,720 And everyone that wronging and flipping the urge caused me a great deal of stress over the many years 1024 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,720 that I worked for. 1025 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,720 Shit. 1026 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,720 Well, I had it for 90,000 miles. 1027 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,720 That Rolls caused me a great deal of stress over those 90,000. 1028 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:51,720 Why? 1029 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,720 Just because of all the payments we had to make for it. 1030 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:54,720 That we could never make. 1031 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,720 It was a very expensive car. 1032 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,720 And be even to have a spark plug change. 1033 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,720 It was like thousands of dollars. 1034 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,720 I paid per spark. 1035 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:08,720 You know, they'd have to import the spark plug and the wrench and the guy to turn it from one to two. 1036 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:10,720 Oh, that was funny. 1037 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:11,720 Oh, man. 1038 00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:12,720 Hey, listen. 1039 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:15,720 Remember you traded that hand on, what did you trade that for? 1040 00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:16,720 I did trade it. 1041 00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:17,720 I gave it away. 1042 00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:18,720 All right. 1043 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:20,720 But I mean, you switched to a Ford Explorer then. 1044 00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:21,720 Yeah. 1045 00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:23,720 One of the kind that blows up. 1046 00:34:23,720 --> 00:34:25,720 No, those didn't blow up. 1047 00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:26,720 They tipped over. 1048 00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:27,720 The tiptoe, right? 1049 00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:28,720 Yeah. 1050 00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:29,720 It was a national emergency. 1051 00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:30,720 No, it was a drive. 1052 00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:31,720 I'm sorry. 1053 00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:32,720 Medical emergency. 1054 00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:34,720 Which dot com license plate. 1055 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:35,720 You better have your ass ready. 1056 00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:36,720 We're going to work. 1057 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:37,720 I'm like, are you crazy? 1058 00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:41,720 It's a state of emergency. 1059 00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:43,720 It was the blizzard. 1060 00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:46,720 Remember we wasn't at the blizzard that we went that we drove in. 1061 00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:49,720 And everyone was was putting pictures up on the web and stuff. 1062 00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:50,720 Yeah. 1063 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:51,720 Yeah. 1064 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:52,720 What was that? 1065 00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:53,720 The blizzard of what? 1066 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,720 Ninety. 1067 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:00,720 Fifty six, seven. 1068 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:01,720 Ninety. 1069 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:05,720 Ninety six, ninety seven, summer, was nine six. 1070 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,720 Ninety six. 1071 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:12,720 Nina's shorty of six. 1072 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:14,720 I had the dot com license plates. 1073 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:17,720 Then it was. 1074 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:18,720 Ninety six. 1075 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:20,720 Ninety six and nineteen. 1076 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:21,720 Right. 1077 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,720 And Lou, to our housekeeper. 1078 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:28,720 Were you able to take a charitable deduction for that? 1079 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:29,720 No, fuck it. 1080 00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:33,720 It wasn't worth more than $5,000 by the time we got rid of it. 1081 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:34,720 It was shot. 1082 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,720 They still drive it around. 1083 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:37,720 Fireman and then. 1084 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:39,720 It's still driving around for a moment. 1085 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:40,720 Yes, yes. 1086 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:41,720 Absolutely. 1087 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:42,720 I'm so excited to take it out. 1088 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,720 The Duchess, they still call it. 1089 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:46,720 That's not it. 1090 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:47,720 Listen, Ken. 1091 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:48,720 It's been like 30 minutes to tell you what. 1092 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:50,720 Why don't we continue? 1093 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,720 And do some more like another time and make this into a series. 1094 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:54,720 This is great. 1095 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,720 Wait, I didn't say that, right? 1096 00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:57,720 I would love to. 1097 00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:59,720 Oh, that's so surreal. 1098 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:02,720 That's seriously because you trained me. 1099 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:04,720 Ah, I trained you so well. 1100 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:06,720 I would love to. 1101 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,720 I would love to. 1102 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:09,720 Well, Adam had a thing. 1103 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:10,720 Anybody that worked for Adam. 1104 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:13,720 If he asked you to do something, he wanted you to respond. 1105 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:14,720 I would love to. 1106 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:15,720 No, that's not true. 1107 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:16,720 What are you talking about? 1108 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:17,720 It was the joke. 1109 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:18,720 It was a joke. 1110 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:19,720 But he was an ongoing joke. 1111 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:22,720 Yeah, just either say no or I would love to. 1112 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:23,720 I would love to. 1113 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:24,720 I would love to. 1114 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:34,720 Did I ever tell you that Barry Nelson who was my assistant at 1115 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:35,720 Think? 1116 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:37,720 When you were running the traffic department. 1117 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:39,720 Your final good assistant. 1118 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:40,720 Yeah. 1119 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:41,720 Oh, God. 1120 00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:42,720 That he was on. 1121 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:43,720 You had it run there. 1122 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:47,720 He was on who wants to be a millionaire? 1123 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:48,720 No. 1124 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:49,720 Yeah. 1125 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,720 And he had me listed as one of the people's calling case. 1126 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:54,720 You needed to help line. 1127 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,720 Yeah, I think he did. 1128 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:58,720 It was like, I never saw that. 1129 00:36:58,720 --> 00:36:59,720 Well, I didn't see it. 1130 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,720 I presume it aired. 1131 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:02,720 But he was on. 1132 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,720 So he called me and he was like really excited. 1133 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:06,720 And see, can I kind of list you as a number? 1134 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:07,720 Yeah, fuck an eye. 1135 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,720 Of course, the time they were taping was like three o'clock in the morning. 1136 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:11,720 My time, right? 1137 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:12,720 And so I went to bed at night. 1138 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,720 They call you up and get you ready to do it and stuff? 1139 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:16,720 No. 1140 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:18,720 Eventually around around three a.m. or whatever. 1141 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:19,720 And I'm like, oh, my God. 1142 00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:20,720 I'm going to suck. 1143 00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:21,720 I'm like completely. 1144 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:22,720 I go. 1145 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:23,720 Oh, I know. 1146 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:24,720 Oh, I know. 1147 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,720 Here you are in the air completely asleep. 1148 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:27,720 Yeah, but it was. 1149 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:28,720 It was Ed. 1150 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:29,720 It was Ed. 1151 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:30,720 Yeah. 1152 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:32,720 Calling to say that, you know, they wouldn't call me because Barry. 1153 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:36,720 He got like, I think he did $12,000 or was it $8,000? 1154 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:37,720 What's the level? 1155 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:38,720 $8,000 or $12,000? 1156 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,720 I have no retention for numeric. 1157 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:41,720 Yeah. 1158 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:42,720 And that's and that's all he did. 1159 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:43,720 And I never heard again from him. 1160 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:44,720 I'm sure he's okay. 1161 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:45,720 He'll get in touch again. 1162 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:47,720 I'm sure he's out there somewhere. 1163 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:50,720 But yeah, we'll have to continue this because we didn't even. 1164 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:51,720 You know, I made a list here. 1165 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:55,720 There were 37 members of the MTV air talent. 1166 00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:56,720 No. 1167 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:57,720 That I weigh. 1168 00:37:57,720 --> 00:37:58,720 Thirty or seven. 1169 00:37:58,720 --> 00:37:59,720 Thirty or seven. 1170 00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:00,720 Eight. 1171 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:01,720 Unbelievable. 1172 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:02,720 Oh, my God. 1173 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,720 But there's so many other things we can. 1174 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:05,720 We should do this. 1175 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:07,720 We should give this a name and just do this from time to time. 1176 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,720 And just shoot the shit because between the two of us, 1177 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:11,720 we have what? 1178 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:13,720 Twenty years of MTV history we can talk about? 1179 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:14,720 Yeah. 1180 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:15,720 Wow. 1181 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,720 We can get zipped cream to sponsor it. 1182 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:21,720 I could still use some. 1183 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:22,720 Right. 1184 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:23,720 Right on girlfriend. 1185 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,720 I'm still at a lesson. 1186 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,720 Okay. 1187 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:29,720 Well, good. 1188 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:32,720 Let's do this again tomorrow whenever we feel like it. 1189 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:33,720 Whenever we hook up. 1190 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:34,720 This is fun. 1191 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:35,720 Okay. 1192 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:37,720 We could just call out the MTV Chronicles. 1193 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:38,720 Something like that. 1194 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:39,720 Something like hokey. 1195 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:40,720 The MTV Chronicles. 1196 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:41,720 You're going to write a book. 1197 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:42,720 You're going to do a book. 1198 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:43,720 Was it going to be called? 1199 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:45,720 I know. 1200 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:46,720 Oh. 1201 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:47,720 Clean the title. 1202 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:49,720 Inside MTV. 1203 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:51,720 My life in the trenches. 1204 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:52,720 Yeah. 1205 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:53,720 Excellent. 1206 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:54,720 Or my time in the trenches. 1207 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:55,720 But no. 1208 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:56,720 It was inside MTV. 1209 00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:57,720 My time in the trenches. 1210 00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:59,720 It was going to be my personal book. 1211 00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:00,720 No. 1212 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:01,720 There's a book to be written somewhere. 1213 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:02,720 It's all about time. 1214 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:03,720 Yeah. 1215 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:05,720 Well, that's why this is much easier. 1216 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:08,720 I mean, you don't even like shit on a book anyway. 1217 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:09,720 What? 1218 00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:12,720 If somebody's going to pay you a big advance and still write the book. 1219 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:13,720 And they have bought your time. 1220 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:16,720 Then you can afford to sit there for the months that it would take and write. 1221 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:17,720 Other than that. 1222 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:18,720 I don't got time to do it. 1223 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:19,720 I'm going to make some money. 1224 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:20,720 Well, well. 1225 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:21,720 Hold on a second. 1226 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:22,720 Listen. 1227 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:23,720 Listen. 1228 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:24,720 You know, fucking. 1229 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:25,720 Mr. Real Estate. 1230 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:28,720 You know, Mr. Donald fucking Trump of Portland. 1231 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:29,720 Let me. 1232 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:30,720 Let me ask it. 1233 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:31,720 How much. 1234 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:32,720 How much. 1235 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:33,720 Would it take to write the book? 1236 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:34,720 What kind of advance would you need? 1237 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:39,720 I don't know. 1238 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:41,720 We'd have to talk about that. 1239 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:43,720 I have no idea. 1240 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:45,720 I mean, I've given a great deal of thought to it. 1241 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:46,720 And would it really be a best seller? 1242 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:49,720 Do you think it would really, it would really, the people really give a shit? 1243 00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:50,720 Mmm. 1244 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:51,720 Seriously now. 1245 00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:52,720 Probably not. 1246 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:53,720 I don't know. 1247 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,720 There's, there's three or four different complete angles. 1248 00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:57,720 You can take at how to do the thing. 1249 00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:58,720 It has to be scandalous. 1250 00:39:58,720 --> 00:39:59,720 It has to be scandalous. 1251 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:02,720 Otherwise it's not going to be, is it the scandals? 1252 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:03,720 You know. 1253 00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:05,720 The thing is, everyone thinks that there was, you know, 1254 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:07,720 MTV was, you know, one big drugged out orgy. 1255 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:08,720 And, you know, guess what? 1256 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:10,720 It was fun, but it wasn't that fun. 1257 00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:14,720 It, it became a well-oiled assembly line. 1258 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:18,720 Basically cranking out assembly line television, you know, 1259 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,720 seven days a week, 24 hours a day worth of television. 1260 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:23,720 And a Monday through Friday, you know, 1261 00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:24,720 seven, eight hour work day. 1262 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:25,720 Yeah. 1263 00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:27,720 There was a science that cranking it out. 1264 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,720 The sure thoughts and quirky personalities that, you know, 1265 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:31,720 Yeah. 1266 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:34,720 Added to the mix, but it was by no means a big drugged out party. 1267 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:35,720 What was it, Linda? 1268 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:37,720 Linda? 1269 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:39,720 What's her name? Linda? 1270 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:41,720 Love lace? 1271 00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:43,720 Yeah, that's the one. 1272 00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:44,720 All right. 1273 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:46,720 I listen, I'll talk to you tomorrow. 1274 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:47,720 We'll do some more of this. 1275 00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:48,720 This is cool. 1276 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:49,720 This is fun. 1277 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:50,720 Okay. I enjoyed it. 1278 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:51,720 All right, very cool. 1279 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:52,720 Thank you. 1280 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:53,720 Talk to you soon. 1281 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:54,720 Love you, Ken. 1282 00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:55,720 Okay, bye-bye. 1283 00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:00,720 Well, there you have it. 1284 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:03,720 The very first episode of the MTV Chronicles 1285 00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:05,720 with my friend Ken Clark. 1286 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:07,720 Let me know what you think. 1287 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:10,720 If you want to hear another one of these in lieu of regular daily source code, 1288 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,720 or should we make it into a separate feed, a separate feature. 1289 00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:16,720 Add them at curry.com or MP3 feedback at gmail.com. 1290 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:22,720 And I see that the BT bus is parked outside. 1291 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:26,720 That means that they're going to hook up the four megabit line today. 1292 00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:27,720 Ooh, yeah, everybody. 1293 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:30,720 So we've back tomorrow for the thank-out of Spide 80 1294 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:31,720 for the daily source code. 1295 00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:32,720 Thanks for listening. Hope you enjoyed it. 1296 00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:33,720 Take care. 1297 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:34,720 Bye-bye. 1298 00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:38,720 Bye-bye.