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I'll ready hello everybody. It's another weekend edition of the Daily Source Code, which of course means it's not a daily source code. It is time for the MTV Chronicles. Part 3. Is that it Ken? Part 2.

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Part 2. Part 2. On the Skype from Lovely Portland, Oregon, is my friend and colleague and MTV

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expert at Fissionado extraordinaire, Kenster J. How are you doing?

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Hello, I'm fine. It's actually a beautiful day here in Portland.

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It really sucks here in Gilford. We've had high winds, gale force winds, cold, wet weather.

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That's good for us though, because you'd be out flying. We're not for the follow weather, wouldn't you?

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In fact, yes, I was, you're right. I was scheduled to have a whole weekend of instruction, but the wind commander said,

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he said, Monday, he said, nah, it's going to be shit weather. You don't want to do that.

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How about you know that? It's just a shit or inclement.

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No shit. No inclement weather is fine. That's not a problem. It's not a problem.

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I mean, it's not a problem to fly. It's just when it comes to instructions, not it's not very handy.

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Well, you know, they say flying is safer than driving.

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No, what they say is the most dangerous part of your trip is the drive to the airport.

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That's what it is. So the last time we did this, um, Jesus, it's been like, what has it been?

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Ken, more than six weeks or something like that, I guess. Maybe in longer since we've done a MTV

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Chromome where around the holidays.

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Christ, I was in Utrecht. Was that the one or do we do another one after that?

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No, I was in Uren, you're in that place. Yes, that place. Utrecht. Right. I was with my mom.

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You're in Utrecht. Yeah, Utrecht. Yes, correct. Correct.

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So this is the MTV Chronicles. This is where Ken and I bring up old MTV memories, kind of like bad Mexican food.

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Uh, we regurgitate. Ken worked there for Ken, how many years? 10 years.

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10 years. I worked there for seven and a half, something like that.

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Well, approximately that. I have the exact date you started here as to the exact date you resigned on the air.

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I don't have that. I know what the exact date. I started on Halloween, uh, 1987.

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October 31. Yep. Well, actually, they, they claim October 30th, but American born Adam Curry.

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Where's this? Where are you reading this from?

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I found a 10 year MTV timeline covering 1981 to 1990 on those put out by the press department on their 10th anniversary.

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Oh, really? It's pretty much a blow by blow of all the big events.

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October 30th, 1987, American born Adam Curry.

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Uh, Europe's most popular TV and radio personality for three consecutive years, debut as MTV VJ.

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And one month later, remote control was launched. Oh, that's right.

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I'll never forget in that first week, um, they took me up to the offices and people should know that the production and the,

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the corporate side were very, very separated at the time. I don't know if it's still,

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even because they aren't they all in the same building.

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It's all in the same building now. So I don't think they can possibly have that delightful separation that we had.

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Yeah. So what, so they have to wang the scripts down.

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Remember that kid? They would throw some PA in a, in a community car.

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You come to script over with this script.

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We're late, we're, we're blowing 20 grand an hour on, on crew because we're, our scripts are stuck in a town car in mid, down Manhattan.

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Hey, can't, are you downloading porn again? Cause you're cutting out once in a while.

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I, I moved my head. Maybe that's the problem.

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No, I'm getting a little bit of, you know, a little bit of a, a little bit of a, a little bit of a.

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No, I think unfortunately, that's the Skype issue.

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Well, no, it's not Skype. It's a bandwidth issue. I'm also sitting on the backup DSL because British telecom fucked up again.

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And they've severed my line. Yeah, they severed my, my fat pipe.

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Has it severed it? Well, I don't know. It's like, you know, I, so I call up my provider.

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You know, I have this four megabit pipe, which is really nice.

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And then they say, well, you know, it looks like DT is, because it's, it's,

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you know, the actual line that comes into the house is provided by British telecom. And of course, British telecom says,

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No, it looks fine. No problems here.

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Yeah, and so then the woman called up and says, well, we're going to send an engineer out.

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Are there any security issues we need to be aware of? I said, yes, make sure he's wearing that.

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Best of suit, a lead helmet.

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Stop winding me up, sir.

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So needless to say, we still have a delicious pets here.

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Yeah, exactly. Very, beware of the vicious pets.

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So, but I'll never forget that first, that first week, then they took me up to the offices.

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You know, you go around to meet everybody. And then I sat down with the press department.

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And they, and I'm sure you're going to remember this.

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And then they, you know, they lined up a couple of calls.

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One of which was to TV guide.

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Do you remember what happened?

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No.

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So they asked me all kinds of questions. And they said,

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So, you know, what do you think about Madonna? And I said, ah, she's kind of bitchy.

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That was being honest. You know, I'd met her a couple times.

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She's not one of my favorite people. You know, like her music, but she's kind of bitchy.

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And they freaked out.

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Oh, I was just going to say, I can just picture Tina Exoros and Cheryl Jones.

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The press scales just fallen on the floor.

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Oh, yeah, because that was the one thing you could not do.

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You could not talk negative about any of the artists that we played.

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Which God forbid.

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Yeah, I mean, please be fake and lie about everything.

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Which I did for successfully almost for seven, half years.

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Well, you know, there were there were clips and bands that we liked.

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You know, we didn't get to pick the videos.

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You never had to say in what you got to play.

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And you had to be as upbeat about the bad stuff as you did about the good stuff.

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Although we didn't, you and I were both in the music meetings for quite a while.

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Yeah, we were for quite a while.

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Which was interesting.

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I don't know if you lasted longer than I did or if I lasted longer than you did.

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I stormed out of what and never went back over a clip.

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They refused to play.

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It was a fabulous clip.

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It hadn't charted in the, you know, the top 40 R and R or whatever the hell they were looking in.

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So they wouldn't play it.

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And that was so counter to anything that had ever made MTV great.

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I mean, MTV became great because they played stuff.

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The known else would play.

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And I said here, watching people consulting the billboard to.

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Radio writer charted in top 40 radio before they'd even consider it.

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I just was disgusted.

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No, I walked out after, um, I didn't walk out.

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I didn't go back after, um, uh, member Abby Conowitch.

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Yes.

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He was the director of, was he director of music program or something like that?

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Yes.

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And hired a Matt Farber.

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Right.

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And so Abby is a, he's a guy, by the way, or that is questionable perhaps.

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But then he went on to run Madonna's Maverick record label.

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But so I'll never forget the meeting was almost over.

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I think you were still in that meeting, can't.

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Oh, no. Oh, we can't leave yet because we haven't added anything from Warner Brothers yet.

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I was like, what the fuck?

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So this has nothing to do with the music.

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It's only about we haven't played political footsies properly.

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So I didn't go back.

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Oh, yeah.

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You had to play a certain number of clips.

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You know, and if you wanted to get an exclusive on the new motley crib clip,

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the motley crew clip, then you had to play two pieces or crap at least three times a week.

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Oh, and we put them in the, that's, that's how the, wasn't that how the basement bin was, um,

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was created.

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Something like the buzz bin.

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The buzz bin basement bin.

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The buzz bin.

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That's, it was like, it would, if you were in the buzz bin, that meant your rotation was,

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you were played once at 3 a.m.

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Once a week at 3 a.m.

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Like, was that the buzz bin or was the buzz bin for the hot clip of the week?

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I can't remember all the various tags now.

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I think they might have, they might have changed it later.

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But I remember specifically people say, yeah, well, well, well, well, yeah, well,

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they will throw them in the, well, throw those clips in the buzz bin if we can get them exclusive on this.

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Yeah, that was through a clock in the morning.

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That, that was always the best time to watch the channel because that's when they played the weird stuff right on right on.

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Also in 1987, I MTV launched it.

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No, Australia.

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Richard Wilkins.

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Kevin.

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See you'll join.

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Club MTV debuted.

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My God.

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Right before you started the same month you started MTV's week in rock debuted.

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I used to love doing that show.

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Remember when the VJs would, would host it.

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Yeah.

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Well, Kurt came the year after.

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So for just a period of time for one year, you guys actually got to host something news related and then they got Kurt.

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It was a great.

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I really liked doing that show.

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That was a lot of fun.

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Now did you do?

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No, this was right before you joined MTV.

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Did the motley crews, the motley crews to know where contest?

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I wasn't a part of that.

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Four winners were flown to Bermuda where they boarded a private yacht and went on a cruise of the Bermuda triangle with the four guys in motley crew.

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There's not forts and enough to be a part of that.

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Well, you may have been luck.

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He frankly, can you imagine?

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And that was after the pink houses.

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Yes, it was.

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But it was, yeah, it was the next year that Kurt Loder left Rolling Stone magazine to join MTV.

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He's still there.

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Dude, how old is Kurt 60?

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He's got to be older than 60.

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I really don't know.

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He doesn't look like he's changed at all, but I please.

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Please.

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He always looked kind of tired, but you know, Kurt was always out of lot.

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You know, scooping, scooping those news stories.

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Oh, yeah, right.

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Well, John Norse is still there, too, right?

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He finally got what he wanted.

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John is still there.

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Well, when I was the John, I got a John started as a production assistant and then

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If I could fuck this way to the top.

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Oh, yes.

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Yes.

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I can't comment about that.

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I wasn't certainly involved or privy to any details of that.

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But I don't know it.

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I don't have positive proof, but he always was such a jealous little queen.

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That's what he was.

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He just wanted.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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That's my, that's what I was doing.

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Back on my overall experience with John over the years.

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It's neither overly positive nor overly negative.

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He was relatively easy to deal with from my perspective.

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But he had been in staffer.

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So he never, he never kind of got difficult.

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Then you weren't that difficulty, but you know, you drove yourself to the studio.

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And yeah, I didn't, I didn't want to have no forgot damn cars.

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Take, pick him up.

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That's a paid in the ass.

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You picked your clothes.

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Patricia did your makeup.

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So when you walked in the door, you were ready to go.

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And there were a lot of premedonists that required hours of maintenance.

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And, you know, yeah.

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But I was John was, John was never one of those.

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He never, you know, if he didn't play games like that with me.

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So you did some homework for the show, right?

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You, you prep some stuff right there.

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A few different things.

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Speaking of news, there are two people that we worked with at MTV over the years that are both doing quite well for themselves here in the States.

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I don't know if they're on in Europe.

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Karen Bryan, two is one of the VJs that was kind of the third group of VJs after you and Julie and Kevin.

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But she, what she was also news first.

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She was in Karen Bryan was news first, wasn't she?

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No, that was Allison Stewart.

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Oh, Allison Stewart.

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I'm sorry, right.

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Karen Bryan.

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And that was the other person.

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Karen Bryan came in as a VJ.

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She was a, she looked a lot like Allison Stewart actually.

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And the two had known each other.

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They had gone to college together at Brown.

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Gorgeous black girl, light skin, curly hair.

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Very, very similar to Allison Stewart.

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I don't remember how that she looked like.

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Because we hired after that whole next wave.

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Then you were just kind of doing the top 20 video countdown and dial MTV.

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But mostly you predecessor to TRL.

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Right.

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You would come in once we can do the top 20 countdown.

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And they had Karen Bryan and Steve Isaacs.

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Oh, my gosh.

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Steve Isaacs.

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Who else was in that batch?

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Kennedy.

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Let's see.

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It was Steve.

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Karen Bryan.

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Kennedy.

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Duff.

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John Norris.

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Todd.

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One was a VJ for a while during that whole thing.

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But Karen Bryan was in that third batch of VJs.

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And she is now the entertainment watch reporter on CNN.

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Hold on.

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I'm Googling her right now.

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I want to get a picture of her.

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K-A-R-Y-N.

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Oh, that's why that's why it's showing some horrible images.

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Bryan, B-R-Y-A-N-T-I.

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Would you end up with it?

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You don't want to know.

250
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Oh, yeah.

251
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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Did she very cute?

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There you go.

255
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Yeah.

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I remember her now.

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Okay.

258
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Yeah.

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I didn't really ever hang out with her.

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I don't think.

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No.

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Because at that point you were coming in once a week.

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Right.

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And Allison Stewart, who was Steve Leads assistant.

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Assistant.

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Right.

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When you started it, and then Allison went to the news department and did pretty well

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with them, TV news.

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She did a lot of the choose or lose.

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She used to do a lot of the political.

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She was good.

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campaign coverage.

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Yeah.

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She's been doing daytime anchor on MSNBC here in the States now.

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Right.

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Quite a period of time.

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She fills in a lot at night.

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I'm countdown with Keith Obermann on NBC.

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Okay.

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So those are two.

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Too bad MSNBC is going to shut down.

282
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Well.

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Seeing that, you know, it's funny.

284
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For a while MSNBC was really kick and CNN's button out for the last couple of years.

285
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That's kind of changed back.

286
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Yeah.

287
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Well, it didn't turn out the way they wanted it.

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They wanted it to be a total multimedia.

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Don't forget what the M stands for.

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Yeah.

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Well, that's true.

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Or the MS actually.

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Sands from Microsoft.

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Well, and then there's CNBC.

295
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Well, yeah.

296
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But that's just cable NBC or whatever.

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So Karen Bryant and who else is doing very well.

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Allison Stewart and MSNBC.

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Okay.

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Karen on CNN and Allison on MSNBC.

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So we talked about the post life of a VJ and television not being too successful.

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Those.

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Which means two exceptions.

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Neither of them are making any real money though because you know that's just like MTV pay there.

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I don't know.

306
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I don't know.

307
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Oh, please.

308
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I had to see an end came over here.

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And one of those guys that you recognize.

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You know, like forget his name.

311
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Yeah.

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I talked about one.

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Yeah.

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One of their big guys.

315
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Yeah.

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I forget it.

317
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Well, it's not that gut.

318
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Well, yeah.

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One of those guys.

320
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He was really nice.

321
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You know, he said that.

322
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It's fucked up.

323
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He was saying he was really complaining.

324
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I said, man, son, just like MTV.

325
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So yeah.

326
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It's very political.

327
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And it's, uh, and there's not a lot of money in it.

328
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It's, that's hard.

329
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You know, it's very expensive to run a 24 hour date news channel.

330
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I was talking not too long ago to somebody who was, uh,

331
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is an anchor out here for the local NBC affiliate in Portland, Oregon.

332
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And I could make more money at a Starbucks, I think.

333
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As if I restarted.

334
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Yeah.

335
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Hi.

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I'm Ken Stranger.

337
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Yeah.

338
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Is a really good barista in Portland.

339
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And you can apparently anchoring the NBC affiliate news.

340
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Yeah.

341
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Also, since the last time we did an MTV Chronicles, uh, a lawsuit was announced between

342
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Julie Brown and NBC.

343
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No way.

344
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What happened?

345
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Oh, they probably had a pilot that they didn't, they didn't do or something.

346
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No, this is, this is good.

347
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This is really good.

348
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You'll enjoy it.

349
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Yum.

350
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Yum.

351
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Remember about two or three years ago, Julie did that.

352
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God awful show called.

353
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I'm a celebrity.

354
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Get me the hell out of here.

355
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Oh, I know the show, but I didn't see her on it.

356
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That would have been pretty funny.

357
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I watched one episode of it.

358
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And, and she was okay.

359
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I couldn't stomach a land of Stewart.

360
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She was a finding bitch.

361
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Just like, a lot of, no.

362
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Who was a lot of Stewart again?

363
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Rod Stewart sex life.

364
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Oh, geez.

365
00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:21,480
Okay.

366
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Was that the English version that just aired over there?

367
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Was that a separate?

368
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Because, you know, it airs all over the world now.

369
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I think that was the same version.

370
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It aired everywhere.

371
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It was the first season they had done it.

372
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And I can't even remember who all was there.

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But, I mean, you know, these are all quote-unquote husbands.

374
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Yeah.

375
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I mean, a land of Stewart as Rod Stewart sex wife.

376
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I'm not sure she ever really was, but.

377
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All right.

378
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Julie, Julie, hey, that her got some told her off on the program.

379
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Julie shouldn't.

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I mean, the minute you go in that, you basically labor yourself,

381
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yourself as a husband, right?

382
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That's kind of the whole deal.

383
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That would be like a jump the shark moment.

384
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Yeah.

385
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Yes.

386
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You're done it either.

387
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Frankly, I think in retrospect, I don't know what the hell she was thinking.

388
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I don't mean to do it if she doesn't either because here, here's the basis of the lawsuit

389
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between her and the production company.

390
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During the taping of the show, and I missed the episode fortunately.

391
00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,480
Julie got into a bathtub filled with leeches.

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And was completely buried under a pile of squirming leeches.

393
00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,480
Well, that's apparently they promised her this was safe.

394
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That's um, according to the lawsuit, she still has permanent scars on her body

395
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from the leech bites.

396
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Oh, I bet.

397
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I bet.

398
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Totally.

399
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My goodness.

400
00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:43,480
So that was the basis of the lawsuit was permanent scarring,

401
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caused by being put in a bathtub full of leeches.

402
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When the producers had assured her it was okay.

403
00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,480
So is she suing NBC or the production company?

404
00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,480
It was ABC and the production company.

405
00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,480
We're both both named in the lawsuit.

406
00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,480
Wow, has that come to court yet?

407
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Or what's the deal?

408
00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,480
Uh, I don't know.

409
00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:04,480
Oh, man.

410
00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,480
I saw it on the news and I thought, oh, that's interesting for the MTV

411
00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:09,480
Chronicle.

412
00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:10,480
Smoke smoking friend.

413
00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:15,480
Our good friend Julie Brown smoking going should should get a hold of all the paperwork

414
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and publish that.

415
00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,480
That'd be pretty funny.

416
00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,480
And and you and Julie always had a funny relationship.

417
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There was a competitiveness.

418
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,480
There was a bickering that went on.

419
00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,480
But you guys were okay in the end.

420
00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,480
I think there was an abonding event.

421
00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,480
You guys got put in the same limo going to like the.

422
00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:41,480
Oh, it was a New Year's Eve show or it was MTV video music awards or something.

423
00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,480
You and Julie ended up writing in a limo together,

424
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which everybody had been very worried about.

425
00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,480
The limo backed over some old woman.

426
00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,480
God, can't I can't remember that.

427
00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:54,480
Oh, dude.

428
00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:55,480
Oh, wait a minute.

429
00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:56,480
It was in New York though, right?

430
00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:57,480
Yeah.

431
00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,480
And the limousine like backed into some old woman.

432
00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,480
You guys were out like helping the old woman up and everything.

433
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,480
And Julie was screaming at the limo driver.

434
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:07,480
Yeah.

435
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:08,480
I do remember.

436
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,480
And somehow you guys bonded during that limo ride.

437
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,480
And you guys were okay after that.

438
00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,480
But you guys always had kind of a funny way.

439
00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,480
And you know what I was because Julie had an excellent knack.

440
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,480
And it was really the British humor.

441
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,480
She had a very good knack of completely tearing you a new asshole on the air.

442
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,480
And I just had no recourse.

443
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,480
You know, I had no way to get because just I couldn't I couldn't do it.

444
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,480
You know, and and so anything.

445
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,480
If whenever I'd like tried to, you know, to the zinger back,

446
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,480
it always kind of came out wrong.

447
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:37,480
Yeah.

448
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,480
I've got clips of Julie.

449
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,480
There was a great one where she was talking about what she wanted for Christmas.

450
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:44,480
She wasn't feeling well that day.

451
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,480
I think she'd been out partying with Billy.

452
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,480
I told the night before somebody that she was and she said,

453
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:50,480
I I don't know.

454
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,480
I just maybe a new blow dryer.

455
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,480
I just want to look like Adam Curry.

456
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:55,480
Yeah.

457
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:56,480
I don't know.

458
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:57,480
Anyway, up next.

459
00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:58,480
You know.

460
00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,480
I didn't mind that.

461
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,480
I didn't mind the hair jokes because everyone's just fucking jealous of my hair.

462
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,480
Well, you know, do you remember the time Julie had those dreadlocks put in?

463
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:07,480
That was a great story.

464
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:08,480
No.

465
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,480
She was in the chair for, I think, 12 hours having dreadlocks put in.

466
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,480
And she came into the studio the next morning and she looked like an Asian woman.

467
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,480
Her eyes were all drawn back.

468
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:19,480
And she was an agony.

469
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,480
She was an agony.

470
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,480
And they had put like 14 pounds of hair on her head.

471
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,480
And it was literally pulling her scalp out.

472
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,480
I mean, I do remember that.

473
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,480
And she put up with it for about a day.

474
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,480
And then she got like a pair of hedge tremors and locked them all off.

475
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:35,480
It sold her length.

476
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:36,480
Is that their prime?

477
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,480
Yeah.

478
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:38,480
She cut them off.

479
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,480
Yeah.

480
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,480
Hair looked like shit then.

481
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:41,480
That was horrible.

482
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,480
You had to wear her hair up in a plastic bag.

483
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,480
I think they had to put wigs up on her.

484
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaking of which, you know who sent me an email the other day from MTV management

485
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,480
from the early days.

486
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Steve leads.

487
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,480
No, I've been talking to Steve a lot, actually recently.

488
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:57,480
No, actually.

489
00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:58,480
I've seen him on Skype.

490
00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:59,480
Steve, I always like.

491
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,480
I got him on Skype.

492
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,480
I got him on Skype.

493
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,480
He, he, and you know, I told him in Stali's like,

494
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,480
wow, this is like a free phone.

495
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,480
Oh, yes, Steve.

496
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:10,480
No, Tom Hunter.

497
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,480
Tom Hunter.

498
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,480
Hold on.

499
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,480
Oh, Tom Hunter.

500
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:14,480
Yeah.

501
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,480
What was his gig?

502
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,480
He was, I think he was one of the in the music programming department when they were still running

503
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:20,480
at lingerie.

504
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:21,480
Or Abby was he?

505
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:22,480
He was before.

506
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:28,480
No, he was before Abby Connor, which, and remembered that prick John, what's his name?

507
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,480
Canaling.

508
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:30,480
That one.

509
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:31,480
He was talent and artist relations though.

510
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:32,480
I've got a good.

511
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:33,480
I've got two.

512
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,480
Well, Matt Farber came after Abby Connor, which.

513
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,480
I'll personally tell you about Tom Hunter, just a brief update.

514
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:41,480
He's divorced.

515
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:42,480
He's remarried.

516
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,480
He's been married for five years.

517
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:45,480
Has three.

518
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,480
I think three kids all grown up.

519
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,480
And he lives in Dallas now.

520
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:50,480
And he's teaching.

521
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,480
And, and he's doing like a weekend gig on the college radio station.

522
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,480
And he's lost like a thousand pounds.

523
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,480
I was just going to say as he lost weight.

524
00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,480
Yeah.

525
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,480
Yeah.

526
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,480
He looks really good.

527
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:02,480
He looks really good.

528
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,480
What's he teaching like broadcast or radio or something?

529
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,480
Communication stuff.

530
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,480
Yeah.

531
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:07,480
Yeah.

532
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,480
I'm just going to teach her that would be when I think back to my degree in communications.

533
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,480
If only I had teachers who'd been in charge of programming an MTV.

534
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,480
Yeah.

535
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,480
Because then you didn't listen to him.

536
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,480
Like, oh, this guy actually had no sum.

537
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:24,480
You know, I remember when I went to West Virginia to school for that entire semester.

538
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,480
Remember my communications classes.

539
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,480
And like, you know, if you really knew what you're talking about,

540
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,480
wouldn't you have like a real fucking job?

541
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:32,480
I suppose.

542
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,480
I mean, I had somebody at my college who had never been outside this state of Ohio before

543
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,480
to tell me at one point that I didn't have what it took to make it in New York.

544
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,480
Well, you're, well, you are in Portland, you know.

545
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,480
I am now.

546
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,480
But that was after I conquered Manhattan.

547
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,480
Yes.

548
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:48,480
You took the city.

549
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,480
You took the city.

550
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,480
Okay.

551
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:51,480
So that was after, yeah.

552
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,480
That was, this is, well, you moved to it.

553
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,480
So what can you say?

554
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:55,480
Yeah.

555
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:56,480
We all things change.

556
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,480
His life goes on priorities change.

557
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,480
So Tom skews me.

558
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,480
What a nice bit of philosophy there.

559
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,480
I love that.

560
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,480
Thank you.

561
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,480
That's true.

562
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,480
So he's doing good.

563
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,480
He's, he's all right.

564
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,480
And then John can only have a little win.

565
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,480
We easily cocksucker.

566
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,480
God, I hated him.

567
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,480
John can only.

568
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,480
Yes.

569
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,480
Because I'll tell you why.

570
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,480
And then you can continue.

571
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,480
When I had my good memo.

572
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,480
When I had my Richard Marx fall out.

573
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,480
Yeah.

574
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,480
Which I don't remember how that actually went.

575
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,480
But Richard started on the radio program.

576
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:27,480
No.

577
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,480
No.

578
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:29,480
It did not.

579
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,480
It started on the top 20 video countdown where there was.

580
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,480
It ended up on the radio.

581
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,480
Yeah.

582
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,480
Well, that's where it escalated.

583
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,480
But it was something.

584
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,480
I can't even remember what it was about.

585
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,480
It was something so fucking stupid.

586
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,480
But he was such a goddamn control freak, Richard Marx.

587
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,480
And then he said, I do recall this all of a sudden.

588
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,480
It may come to me.

589
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,480
You had said something that was really, I mean.

590
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,480
But it was scripted.

591
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:53,480
It was like a quirky MTV joke that every other artist go like,

592
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:54,480
Okay.

593
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,480
You know, after you play the video for the 20 millionth time,

594
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,480
you know, you got to say something else.

595
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,480
And whatever it was, he really went off.

596
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,480
And he went up to the office and tried to get me fired.

597
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,480
And John Cannelly immediately went,

598
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,480
Yes.

599
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:10,480
Well, we should get rid of him.

600
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,480
He is like, thank you, mother fucker.

601
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,480
I was horrible.

602
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,480
I do remember we had to pull tape.

603
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,480
You know, we've got to pull tape and say.

604
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:18,480
What did he say?

605
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:19,480
Exactly.

606
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,480
The Richard Marx fiasco.

607
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,480
I don't remember what it was.

608
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,480
It was not, you know, it wasn't.

609
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,480
He obviously had issues.

610
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,480
It was unnecessary.

611
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,480
Well, I just saw him on TV recently.

612
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,480
He's got a new album out.

613
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,480
And it struck me even then.

614
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,480
The years later.

615
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,480
What is it?

616
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,480
10, 15 years later.

617
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,480
He still looked neurotic.

618
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,480
Well, he, first of all, he's a great songwriter.

619
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,480
No doubt about it.

620
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,480
Yeah.

621
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,480
Great songwriter.

622
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,480
Good producer, actually.

623
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:47,480
He's been doing some major hits.

624
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,480
Yeah, no.

625
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:49,480
And so I'll give them all that.

626
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,480
But then I was hosting a show called Hitline USA.

627
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,480
And so it's Rick Kalman has that tape.

628
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:55,480
We should get that tape.

629
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,480
Actually, I have a real, I have an original real to real of that as well here.

630
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,480
I don't have the tape.

631
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,480
And he goes off.

632
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,480
And he says, on the air, he starts saying, well, your hair looks like, what do you say?

633
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,480
I don't know.

634
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,480
But he was the last person that should have been making an air.

635
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,480
Really?

636
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,480
And then he said, I hope you, you know, oh, because I was smoking at the time.

637
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,480
I hope you get cancer.

638
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,480
He said, I hope your lips fell off.

639
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:16,480
No.

640
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,480
He said, I hope they got cancer.

641
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,480
That's what he said.

642
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:19,480
And your lips fell off.

643
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,480
It was horrible.

644
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,480
You completely went off.

645
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,480
It's very stupid.

646
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,480
Did that show ever aired?

647
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,480
Did you guys get it?

648
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,480
It was live.

649
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,480
It was live when that happened.

650
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,480
You kidding me?

651
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,480
It was one of the best.

652
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,480
It was one of the best shows I've ever done on radio.

653
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,480
It just couldn't believe what he was saying.

654
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,480
Everyone loved it, you know?

655
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,480
I don't think you did well with it.

656
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,480
I don't think you got, you just kind of laughed at him.

657
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,480
But you didn't really fling mud back.

658
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,480
And God knows you could have.

659
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,480
Well, you know, what do you say to that?

660
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:45,480
You know?

661
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,480
What do you say to that?

662
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,480
Well, he meant it.

663
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,480
He really meant it.

664
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,480
No, I think I said, no, he said, you're going to be out of a job.

665
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,480
And I'll see you on the unemployment line.

666
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,480
You'll be ahead of me or something like that.

667
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,480
I can't remember what it was.

668
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,480
But we all did okay in the end.

669
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,480
It was stupid.

670
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,480
But the cancer thing really bothered me.

671
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,480
That was an unnecessary and unfair comment.

672
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,480
He still looks really uptight.

673
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,480
And like he doesn't have a sense of humor.

674
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,480
Because he really wanted to be a rock and roll superstar.

675
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,480
And he just didn't have it in him.

676
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,480
You know, he wanted to be.

677
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,480
What was the band?

678
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,480
He was always hanging out with.

679
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,480
Well, first of all, in his, in his band.

680
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,480
Who was in his band?

681
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,480
Remember who played in his band?

682
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,480
Remember.

683
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:27,480
Come on.

684
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,480
Richie, kind of him.

685
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,480
Wasn't, no, not, not Richie, kind of him.

686
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,480
Or was it?

687
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,480
Who was the guy who went?

688
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,480
Yeah.

689
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,480
Yeah.

690
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,480
He had fucking happy.

691
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,480
It was, it wasn't Richie, kind of.

692
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,480
It was someone like that.

693
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,480
It was like some, some doork from some happy days.

694
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,480
Like grown up.

695
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,480
Yeah.

696
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,480
Who the hell was that?

697
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,480
He was playing bass in his band.

698
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,480
Wasn't somebody from the Parkridge family.

699
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,480
Well, Donnie, Danny Bonna, Doochie.

700
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,480
Danny Bonna, Doochie, and bass.

701
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,480
He's funny.

702
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,480
We had a good time.

703
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,480
I, I hung out with him a lot.

704
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,480
He was very funny.

705
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:56,480
Danny's funny.

706
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,480
Remember when he got, when he got picked up, and he was working for MTV.

707
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,480
Somewhere in, in Florida, he got picked up for, for soliciting a transvestite process.

708
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,480
Transvestite.

709
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,480
That's right.

710
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,480
Whoops.

711
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,480
That's happened to a lot of famous people.

712
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,480
I don't get that.

713
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,480
He's red.

714
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:14,480
You're gray.

715
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,480
There was some tiff with that Murphy, and it transvestite too.

716
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,480
Well, she males are very intriguing to straight guys.

717
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,480
John Cannelly.

718
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:35,480
I found, you know, I have a huge box of paperwork, funny memos and things that I saved

719
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,480
over the years, and at some point over the last five years since we did the last MTV Chronicles,

720
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,480
I pulled out my two favorite memos of my entire 10 year period at MTV.

721
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,480
Oh, man.

722
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,480
Oh.

723
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,480
These are the two.

724
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,480
John Cannelly's is actually my second favorite memo.

725
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,480
I know what the first one is, but I won't give it away.

726
00:27:54,480 --> 00:28:01,480
October 18th, 1991, to all MTV staff from John Cannelly, subject hammer under

727
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,480
Oh, no.

728
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,480
The hammer memo.

729
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,480
That's the hammer memo.

730
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,480
The original.

731
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:14,480
Please be advised that effective immediately, MC Hammer is now just hammer.

732
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,480
All references.

733
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,480
I love this.

734
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:26,480
This is the clinch to all references, both on there and off air to this artist should include

735
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,480
this change immediately without reflection.

736
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,480
Violators will be shot.

737
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,480
Prosecute.

738
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,480
Does it say shot?

739
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,480
No.

740
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,480
No.

741
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,480
It does not say that.

742
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,480
We'll be swiftly terminated.

743
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,480
Yeah.

744
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,480
I mean, I have a reference.

745
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,480
Both on air and off air.

746
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:49,480
So we can't even say MC Hammer in the fucking hallway.

747
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,480
I remember we used to go like, if you hammer.

748
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,480
Not all mighty.

749
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,480
I just thought of one other really funny John Cannelly story before we move onto the other

750
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,480
memo.

751
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,480
Madonna.

752
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,480
I can't remember what video it was, but they had made this huge deal about this Madonna

753
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,480
video.

754
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,480
Nobody, it was the church, the Pepsi one.

755
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,480
Remember the one that got like a prayer.

756
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,480
Like a prayer like a prayer.

757
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,480
Like a prayer.

758
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,480
It was like a prayer.

759
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,480
Yeah.

760
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,480
All right.

761
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,980
Because at MTV, we taped a day or two in advance and we had to tape that the world premiered

762
00:29:21,980 --> 00:29:26,480
the video two days before the video actually was available.

763
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,980
The record label and John Cannelly made this huge freaking production about coming over

764
00:29:30,980 --> 00:29:31,980
to the studio.

765
00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:32,980
Oh boy.

766
00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:37,780
Give us a VJs and the senior staff a private screening of the video so that we could

767
00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:39,780
tape it.

768
00:29:39,780 --> 00:29:42,780
And they brought the video over in a Brink's truck.

769
00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:46,780
I mean, it was just the most ridiculous stunt anybody.

770
00:29:46,780 --> 00:29:49,780
And this wasn't even a televised stunt.

771
00:29:49,780 --> 00:29:51,780
This was behind the scenes.

772
00:29:51,780 --> 00:29:54,780
Was this the one with the wires running to the next room, Ken?

773
00:29:54,780 --> 00:29:56,780
Yeah.

774
00:29:56,780 --> 00:30:00,780
There were a number of us downtown Julie Brown included.

775
00:30:00,780 --> 00:30:02,780
I hate to malign her in this way.

776
00:30:02,780 --> 00:30:03,780
I had no part of this.

777
00:30:03,780 --> 00:30:04,780
I knew about it.

778
00:30:04,780 --> 00:30:05,780
No, you did not.

779
00:30:05,780 --> 00:30:07,780
I don't even know if you were in the building.

780
00:30:07,780 --> 00:30:08,780
Oh, yeah.

781
00:30:08,780 --> 00:30:09,780
I knew about it.

782
00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:11,780
But I didn't want to have anything to do with it.

783
00:30:11,780 --> 00:30:12,780
There was no evil intent.

784
00:30:12,780 --> 00:30:14,540
We weren't going to leak the clip.

785
00:30:14,540 --> 00:30:18,180
We weren't going to make copies of it and distribute it over the internet because there

786
00:30:18,180 --> 00:30:19,780
was no internet at the time.

787
00:30:19,780 --> 00:30:25,780
We only had one computer in the building and it was a wing.

788
00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:31,780
We drilled a hole through the wall and we were upstairs with the officers.

789
00:30:31,780 --> 00:30:32,780
I remember that.

790
00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:37,980
Yeah, upstairs at Unitel behind the behind the whole rack with the VCR system was because

791
00:30:37,980 --> 00:30:41,420
we knew they were bringing over like a three quarter inch humatic, you know, the big

792
00:30:41,420 --> 00:30:42,420
tape.

793
00:30:42,420 --> 00:30:46,900
And we drilled a hole through the wall and we ran the cables and we did a VHS machine

794
00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:51,220
behind the couch in the lounge, the VJ lounge back there.

795
00:30:51,220 --> 00:30:57,020
And before the record label even showed up, it was a two hour tape on super long

796
00:30:57,020 --> 00:30:58,020
to play.

797
00:30:58,020 --> 00:31:04,260
So it would record for like six hours and we all had to record a deck would record.

798
00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:05,260
Record label comes in.

799
00:31:05,260 --> 00:31:08,900
They play the clip, you know, big production and everybody claps.

800
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:13,140
Meanwhile, all this is going on speaking of Steve Lee's love Steve leads, but this

801
00:31:13,140 --> 00:31:18,260
is the only thing Steve ever did that I really thought was an office thing to do.

802
00:31:18,260 --> 00:31:19,260
I remember it.

803
00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:24,940
Steve noticed the wire going through the wall and he went like, well, no, he quietly kind

804
00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:28,780
of opened the door to the VJ lounge and went in there.

805
00:31:28,780 --> 00:31:32,780
And I'm sitting there thinking, oh, shit, the gig is up, you know.

806
00:31:32,780 --> 00:31:37,020
And then the door opens and Steve comes out and he's got a VHS tape in his hands and I'm

807
00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:40,060
like, we are so buff off.

808
00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:43,260
And you know, it's Steve should have done his weighted to the record company left.

809
00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:44,260
Of course.

810
00:31:44,260 --> 00:31:48,660
Everything was over and then, you know, said, you guys stay here for a minute and then

811
00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:51,500
he should have come in and ripped this out a new asshole.

812
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:53,820
But he could have taken us to the cleaners.

813
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,860
And steady handed the tape to the head of the record label and said, here's somebody

814
00:31:56,860 --> 00:31:57,860
was pirating this.

815
00:31:57,860 --> 00:31:59,380
Oh, I do remember that.

816
00:31:59,380 --> 00:32:00,380
Oh, it's lame.

817
00:32:00,380 --> 00:32:05,060
Well, the shit hit the fan and can now he went berserk and Julie was sitting there.

818
00:32:05,060 --> 00:32:06,940
She was laughing a bit.

819
00:32:06,940 --> 00:32:07,940
She was laughing.

820
00:32:07,940 --> 00:32:11,660
Julie didn't give a damn, I mean, and that was one of the things the MTV management

821
00:32:11,660 --> 00:32:16,740
so hated about Julie is she didn't give a damn what they had to say about her or anything

822
00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:17,740
out.

823
00:32:17,740 --> 00:32:18,740
That's right.

824
00:32:18,740 --> 00:32:19,740
She could care less.

825
00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:24,340
And went off and at one point, you know, saying how we were all pieces of shit and

826
00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:25,340
everything.

827
00:32:25,340 --> 00:32:29,500
And Julie stood up and said, I hear it comes.

828
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:36,460
She said, you fucking cons, I remember it.

829
00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:41,340
And then just went off at Cannelly, ripped him a new asshole and just like walked out of

830
00:32:41,340 --> 00:32:45,460
the room and said, I'm not going to sit here and listen to you talk to me like that and

831
00:32:45,460 --> 00:32:49,700
just walked out of the room and he turned like 27 shades of purple.

832
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:50,700
Yeah.

833
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:52,140
So what was he got fired?

834
00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:53,140
No.

835
00:32:53,140 --> 00:32:54,140
I had to take the wrap for that.

836
00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:55,140
Yeah.

837
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:56,140
You got to apologize.

838
00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:59,780
I had to go apologize to Judy McGrath personally.

839
00:32:59,780 --> 00:33:01,740
He believes she's still running that channel.

840
00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:03,060
That's amazing to me.

841
00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:07,980
I saw Judy McGrath at JJ Jackson's funeral reunion service.

842
00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:08,980
We had a New York.

843
00:33:08,980 --> 00:33:12,900
And you were almost there, in fact, you missed, I think by like a week, you were going

844
00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:13,900
to be in New York.

845
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:14,900
I wasn't invited.

846
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:15,900
I wasn't invited.

847
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:16,900
Oh, yeah.

848
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:17,900
You would have been invited.

849
00:33:17,980 --> 00:33:23,140
Judy was a friend of MTV, not to the cocktail reunion thing.

850
00:33:23,140 --> 00:33:24,140
Yeah.

851
00:33:24,140 --> 00:33:25,740
You definitely would have been invited to that.

852
00:33:25,740 --> 00:33:26,740
Okay.

853
00:33:26,740 --> 00:33:28,780
And that was a trip because I looked for my wallet.

854
00:33:28,780 --> 00:33:32,580
I started at MTV when I was 19 or 20 years old.

855
00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:37,860
A lot of the people that were at this thing were there at the time and they were probably

856
00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:41,900
in their late 30s to 40s back when I was 19 or 20 years old.

857
00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:46,420
So when I wallstained to this room last April, Jerry has been expecting to be walking

858
00:33:46,420 --> 00:33:48,460
into like a geriatric convention.

859
00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:49,460
Oh, man.

860
00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:50,460
It was a trip.

861
00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:53,980
But Judy did show up and it was actually really cool to see her and we chatted

862
00:33:53,980 --> 00:33:58,420
for a few minutes and I said to her, Judy, it's so nice to actually have a conversation

863
00:33:58,420 --> 00:34:03,860
with you when I'm not absolutely scared shitless because she was a frightening woman.

864
00:34:03,860 --> 00:34:05,820
You know, I never, I found it.

865
00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:10,140
I still find to be the most unhipp woman in show business, which is why, maybe that's

866
00:34:10,140 --> 00:34:11,860
why she's good at what she does.

867
00:34:11,860 --> 00:34:14,860
But she was always the driver behind.

868
00:34:14,860 --> 00:34:15,860
I'll give her this.

869
00:34:15,860 --> 00:34:20,500
She was the driver behind long-form programming and less videos.

870
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:23,540
That is completely Judy McGrath.

871
00:34:23,540 --> 00:34:28,020
She was very icy, but I have discovered over the years that Judy really, or I mean that

872
00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:33,620
Judy really does have a soft spot and she cares about the people that she worked with

873
00:34:33,620 --> 00:34:38,540
way back then and when she was at the party and we were talking about, you know, she used

874
00:34:38,540 --> 00:34:39,540
to write copy.

875
00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:44,780
I mean, she was a copywriter for the very, very early days of MTV.

876
00:34:45,220 --> 00:34:48,420
She was just one of the gang hanging out and I'm looking at her thinking she's this, this

877
00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:50,980
is she's another president of MTV Networks, right?

878
00:34:50,980 --> 00:34:52,700
Now that Kristen's been elevated.

879
00:34:52,700 --> 00:34:55,300
Yeah, to Viacom corporate, whatever.

880
00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:56,300
Yeah.

881
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:59,060
First, and yeah, and it was Judy that called me when I got promoted to manager of

882
00:34:59,060 --> 00:35:02,820
on our talent and said congratulations, I know you'll do a great job.

883
00:35:02,820 --> 00:35:05,300
You'd better and then hung up the phone on me.

884
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:09,300
Yeah, that was like power trip, woman on power trip thing.

885
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:13,540
But she, but she, she changed the channel to what it is today.

886
00:35:13,580 --> 00:35:15,820
I do have respect for Judy, all right.

887
00:35:15,820 --> 00:35:17,220
We had talked about Abbey Connoisseur.

888
00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:18,900
Wait, you're going to do one more John Connelly memo.

889
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:20,260
You had another cannelly memo.

890
00:35:20,260 --> 00:35:24,380
I don't, that was the, that was the cannelly memo was the hammer.

891
00:35:24,380 --> 00:35:26,340
But that was your second favorite.

892
00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:29,260
That was my favorite favorite wasn't it cannelly memo.

893
00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:31,060
That was the favorite Jackson Farber memo.

894
00:35:31,060 --> 00:35:33,260
What was that was that the Michael Jackson memo?

895
00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:35,540
Yeah, timely, I guess.

896
00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:37,660
Do you have the official memo there?

897
00:35:37,660 --> 00:35:38,660
I do.

898
00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:41,940
Would you like, would you care to share it with our, it still has my name?

899
00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:46,580
It was still, it still has the original fax header on it, where it was faxed to the studio.

900
00:35:46,580 --> 00:35:51,940
So let's see what we said it up because we had taped the Michael Jackson weekend,

901
00:35:51,940 --> 00:35:58,020
which was a part of another deal because we had, it was like three things, if I'm not mistaken.

902
00:35:58,020 --> 00:36:03,100
One, what was all about getting Michael Jackson to perform on the video, musical awards.

903
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:08,180
And by the way, if you ever said VMAs on the air, you were punished.

904
00:36:08,180 --> 00:36:09,180
Yeah, it was.

905
00:36:09,180 --> 00:36:10,620
You had to say video music awards.

906
00:36:10,660 --> 00:36:12,300
You were not among TV.

907
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:14,500
The whole world says VMAs.

908
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:19,660
The whole world says VMAs, but we had to say the MTV video musical awards.

909
00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:25,740
And as a part of the deal, was that the one where he got the award in his name that I had to present to him?

910
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:26,940
The Van Guard award.

911
00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:33,900
No, no, excuse me, excuse me, that would be the MTV video musical award, Michael Jackson video Van Guard, the award of the year.

912
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:34,900
The Guard award.

913
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:38,100
Yeah, somewhere in this timeline and I'm kind of flipping through it.

914
00:36:38,140 --> 00:36:40,700
I didn't want to bug things down here, but it's somewhere in here.

915
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:44,540
It talks about when you went and presented that silly ass.

916
00:36:44,540 --> 00:36:48,340
That was a fun trip though, because I went with Freston, with Tom Freston.

917
00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:55,340
I actually put makeup on Tom Freston because he looks up front and beat December 23rd, 1989.

918
00:36:55,340 --> 00:37:07,980
MTV CEO Tom Freston and MTV VJ Adam Curry present Michael Jackson with the Michael Jackson video Van Guard of the year.

919
00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:11,180
Artists of artists of the decade, right?

920
00:37:11,180 --> 00:37:15,780
I'm sort of the decade, right?

921
00:37:15,780 --> 00:37:23,100
In Los Angeles, that was where they, Michael Jackson had to stand on a box because he had to be taller than you and your like six and a half feet tall.

922
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:25,340
So that was difficult for everyone.

923
00:37:25,340 --> 00:37:31,180
But so as a part of that, there was also, and you already mentioned that we recorded the weekends.

924
00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:33,740
We recorded on Thursday, right?

925
00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:35,900
So we do Saturday and Sunday would tape on Thursday.

926
00:37:36,060 --> 00:37:38,900
Monday was usually taped on Friday.

927
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:42,260
Tuesday, Tuesday was Wednesday and Thursday.

928
00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:45,740
Wednesday was Friday, Thursday was Saturday and Sunday and Friday was Friday.

929
00:37:45,740 --> 00:37:46,740
Right.

930
00:37:46,740 --> 00:37:49,740
So Tuesday and Thursday is where 48's and 48's, that's right.

931
00:37:49,740 --> 00:37:54,380
So we did a 48 on Thursday, which basically it's like a whole day of work, right?

932
00:37:54,380 --> 00:38:00,220
So that's 100 grand worth of, well, more, probably like $140,000 worth of production time.

933
00:38:00,220 --> 00:38:04,820
Yeah, I mean, we're talking, you know, two full days of the programming had been taped in one day.

934
00:38:04,820 --> 00:38:09,780
And then we were always happy because on Friday, we'd have a 24 because that meant we were only taping from Monday.

935
00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:11,500
That was like a half day.

936
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:14,740
So, you know, as I was like, Friday was like, oh, yeah, you know, it's got a 24.

937
00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:16,540
We can go home early and get the weekend started.

938
00:38:16,540 --> 00:38:21,500
But then came when I'm during a 48, everybody'd have to run and change clothes, you know,

939
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:25,580
do the, and then, you know, come back on the set and pretend like it was a whole new day.

940
00:38:25,580 --> 00:38:27,620
Yeah, just so you know, I mean, we never saw that.

941
00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:29,700
Typically introduced the same videos over.

942
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:32,500
You're just introduced before and make it sound fresh.

943
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:34,460
Yes, exactly.

944
00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:36,980
Come on, energy, baby.

945
00:38:36,980 --> 00:38:39,100
So then the, then the memo came down.

946
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:42,980
Yeah, the Michael Jackson reference memo.

947
00:38:42,980 --> 00:38:46,700
It starts off with, and you know, did you like Matt Farber?

948
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:49,060
I don't remember Matt Farber, particularly well.

949
00:38:49,060 --> 00:38:51,260
Um,

950
00:38:51,260 --> 00:38:52,700
Yeah, yeah, yeah, fun of him.

951
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:59,380
You know, I, I did like him because he was really trying to keep the music alive on MTV.

952
00:38:59,380 --> 00:39:00,380
He was a radio guy.

953
00:39:00,380 --> 00:39:01,740
Was he the guy that had come from karaoke?

954
00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:02,740
Yeah, I was.

955
00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:03,740
Yeah.

956
00:39:03,740 --> 00:39:05,020
He brought Kennedy then.

957
00:39:05,020 --> 00:39:05,540
Yeah.

958
00:39:05,540 --> 00:39:09,740
I don't, oh, that was the reason why why I didn't quite like him that much, I guess.

959
00:39:09,740 --> 00:39:10,740
All right.

960
00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:11,740
Well, because we're about to make fun of him.

961
00:39:11,740 --> 00:39:13,740
I just wanted to make sure he was somebody like him.

962
00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:14,740
We like him.

963
00:39:14,740 --> 00:39:15,740
We're honest here.

964
00:39:15,740 --> 00:39:16,740
I like him.

965
00:39:16,740 --> 00:39:17,740
Okay.

966
00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:18,740
All right.

967
00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:20,740
So the memo begins with here's a unique one.

968
00:39:20,740 --> 00:39:30,740
We need to refer to Michael Jackson as the king of pop in quotes on air quote from time to time.

969
00:39:30,740 --> 00:39:32,740
Here's how we'll handle this.

970
00:39:32,740 --> 00:39:41,740
In VJ segments, each VJ should refer to Michael Jackson as the king of pop at least twice

971
00:39:41,740 --> 00:39:46,220
in each VJ segment over the next week.

972
00:39:46,220 --> 00:39:50,420
That's twice per segment per VJ for a week.

973
00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:52,020
You had to say the king of pop.

974
00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:54,500
I remember.

975
00:39:54,500 --> 00:40:00,540
And then in specialty shows such as yo top 20 most wanted fade to black, et cetera, refer

976
00:40:00,540 --> 00:40:07,740
to Michael Jackson as the king of pop at least once per show per week for the next two weeks.

977
00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:13,180
Be sure to note exactly which segment you do this in as we will be sending dubs to the king

978
00:40:13,180 --> 00:40:16,260
of pop himself.

979
00:40:16,260 --> 00:40:22,300
I know this is a bizarre request, but Fox and BET are already doing this.

980
00:40:22,300 --> 00:40:24,060
So we need to too.

981
00:40:24,060 --> 00:40:25,060
But we can't play.

982
00:40:25,060 --> 00:40:26,060
We can't play.

983
00:40:26,060 --> 00:40:29,180
We can't blame him for that because that was a part of the deal that Michael Jackson made

984
00:40:29,180 --> 00:40:31,180
with MTV for the video musical words.

985
00:40:31,180 --> 00:40:32,180
Yeah, I know.

986
00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:36,180
But you don't know how this sentence I know how bizarre this request is, but Fox and BET are

987
00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:37,180
already doing this.

988
00:40:37,180 --> 00:40:38,180
Dix in my cry.

989
00:40:38,180 --> 00:40:39,180
How lame is that?

990
00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:41,180
Fox and BET are doing it.

991
00:40:41,180 --> 00:40:43,180
We've got to do it too, my God.

992
00:40:43,180 --> 00:40:53,180
Can't let me ask you a question because so I met Michael Jackson out in LA and I'd have to say

993
00:40:53,180 --> 00:40:56,860
that if anything he's completely asexual, that was the vibe I got from him.

994
00:40:56,860 --> 00:41:00,860
Do you think that he really did any of the things he's being accused of?

995
00:41:00,860 --> 00:41:05,860
You know, I have to say I'm beginning to wonder.

996
00:41:05,860 --> 00:41:10,860
I had thought for years that there was absolutely nothing to this, Michael Jackson, because

997
00:41:10,860 --> 00:41:13,180
of his free-cish behavior.

998
00:41:13,180 --> 00:41:17,860
And because of the fact that he gets himself into situations where there is certainly

999
00:41:17,860 --> 00:41:23,420
possibility of improprietous behavior, if you know what I mean.

1000
00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:29,420
He becomes, and because he was at one time incredibly wealthy became a sitting duck for target.

1001
00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:32,420
You're saying he's not wealthy anymore?

1002
00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:36,420
He's wealthy on paper, but he's got liquid financial problems.

1003
00:41:36,420 --> 00:41:37,420
You don't know that.

1004
00:41:37,420 --> 00:41:39,420
You can't look at his fucking bank account.

1005
00:41:39,420 --> 00:41:40,420
You don't know that.

1006
00:41:40,420 --> 00:41:44,420
Well, I'm saying that the news have reported that there are funny polls.

1007
00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:45,420
Thank you.

1008
00:41:45,420 --> 00:41:46,420
The news.

1009
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:47,420
The quote news has reported.

1010
00:41:47,420 --> 00:41:49,420
We watch entertainment tonight.

1011
00:41:49,420 --> 00:41:55,420
He has to live, you know, one of the most extravagant expensive lifestyles of any

1012
00:41:55,420 --> 00:41:56,420
human being on the planet.

1013
00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:58,420
Oh, please.

1014
00:41:58,420 --> 00:42:04,420
And aside from his holdings, he's not generating much cash other than his holdings of, you know,

1015
00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:05,420
the various...

1016
00:42:05,420 --> 00:42:09,420
Do you have any idea how much money he gets per year?

1017
00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:12,420
I mean, that it's an astronomical amount, believe.

1018
00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:15,420
I know, but I mean, I've actually seen reports where they were analyzing the spending

1019
00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:16,420
and how much they don't know.

1020
00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:17,420
But they don't know.

1021
00:42:17,420 --> 00:42:18,420
That race never lands.

1022
00:42:18,420 --> 00:42:19,420
Nobody knows that.

1023
00:42:19,420 --> 00:42:20,420
Nobody knows that.

1024
00:42:20,420 --> 00:42:21,420
It's costing.

1025
00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:22,420
No one knows that shit.

1026
00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:24,420
You can't look at someone's mind.

1027
00:42:24,420 --> 00:42:26,420
You can't look in their pocketbook.

1028
00:42:26,420 --> 00:42:27,420
No.

1029
00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:28,420
Well, no.

1030
00:42:28,420 --> 00:42:29,420
And that wasn't the point of the conversation.

1031
00:42:29,420 --> 00:42:31,420
The point of the conversation was he was weird.

1032
00:42:31,420 --> 00:42:36,420
And he was a very obvious, easy target for allegations of his nature.

1033
00:42:36,420 --> 00:42:39,420
I look at this ridiculous court trial going on.

1034
00:42:39,420 --> 00:42:41,420
And it really has turned into a three-ring circus.

1035
00:42:41,420 --> 00:42:44,420
I think the judge is a lot of a whole bunch of crap to happen.

1036
00:42:45,420 --> 00:42:46,420
Yeah.

1037
00:42:46,420 --> 00:42:47,420
But the judge is media horny.

1038
00:42:47,420 --> 00:42:48,420
That's what he is.

1039
00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:51,420
You know, we got X employees testifying.

1040
00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:53,420
Well, these are people who were fired and have a grudge.

1041
00:42:53,420 --> 00:42:56,420
I don't know whether they're telling the truth or not.

1042
00:42:56,420 --> 00:43:01,420
But there's so much money out there to be had by people that anybody is going to say anything.

1043
00:43:01,420 --> 00:43:04,420
I think if they stand to make this kind of money off it.

1044
00:43:04,420 --> 00:43:05,420
I really don't know.

1045
00:43:05,420 --> 00:43:06,420
I just don't know.

1046
00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:10,420
I always felt so strongly that no, it's just wasn't possible.

1047
00:43:10,420 --> 00:43:13,420
But so many people and so many allegations.

1048
00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:17,420
And there's so much similarity amongst the theme that it just...

1049
00:43:17,420 --> 00:43:18,420
I don't know.

1050
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:20,420
I'm starting to wonder.

1051
00:43:20,420 --> 00:43:23,420
Well, for me, he's innocent until proven guilty.

1052
00:43:23,420 --> 00:43:26,420
And if I agree with that.

1053
00:43:26,420 --> 00:43:28,420
And I do believe in the justice system.

1054
00:43:28,420 --> 00:43:32,420
And if he turns out to be guilty, then okay, I'll be the first one to say I was wrong.

1055
00:43:32,420 --> 00:43:39,420
But let's also not forget that this guy is one of the most talented musicians we've had in my generation.

1056
00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:42,420
And he's also...

1057
00:43:42,420 --> 00:43:47,420
He hasn't exhibited that in a long, long time.

1058
00:43:47,420 --> 00:43:51,420
I disagree because he's written a lot of shit for other people.

1059
00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:54,420
He's been doing a lot of stuff for other people.

1060
00:43:54,420 --> 00:43:59,420
I had kept hoping for him, though, that he would one of these days in the past ten years,

1061
00:43:59,420 --> 00:44:02,420
or so create another really brilliant record.

1062
00:44:02,420 --> 00:44:04,420
It's impossible to do that when you're going through this shit.

1063
00:44:04,420 --> 00:44:06,420
You can't be creative when that's happening to you.

1064
00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:08,420
There's no fucking way.

1065
00:44:08,420 --> 00:44:09,420
There's no way.

1066
00:44:09,420 --> 00:44:12,420
Well, this this shit hasn't been going on the entire time.

1067
00:44:12,420 --> 00:44:13,420
But he...

1068
00:44:13,420 --> 00:44:14,420
Long time no.

1069
00:44:14,420 --> 00:44:15,420
We'll see what happens.

1070
00:44:15,420 --> 00:44:17,420
I do agree in the criminal justice system as well.

1071
00:44:17,420 --> 00:44:21,420
And the difference is between what I think and that is that that's beyond a benefit of it doubt.

1072
00:44:21,420 --> 00:44:25,420
You can have a little teeny doubt, but that's not beyond the benefit of it doubt.

1073
00:44:25,420 --> 00:44:30,420
I think there's some suspicion growing in me that some there's something weird going on.

1074
00:44:30,420 --> 00:44:32,420
But a reasonable doubt is what it is, Kevin.

1075
00:44:32,420 --> 00:44:34,420
It's beyond reasonable doubt.

1076
00:44:34,420 --> 00:44:39,420
I still have reasonable doubts, so therefore I would that be enough to get him.

1077
00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:40,420
Nope.

1078
00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:41,420
Don't think so.

1079
00:44:41,420 --> 00:44:42,420
Okay.

1080
00:44:42,420 --> 00:44:46,420
He's also raised hundreds of millions of dollars for charity.

1081
00:44:46,420 --> 00:44:48,420
No, that is absolutely true, too.

1082
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:51,420
I was always a staunch Michael Jackson defender.

1083
00:44:51,420 --> 00:44:52,420
It's just been the last month or two.

1084
00:44:52,420 --> 00:44:54,420
I've started to think that...

1085
00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:55,420
I don't know.

1086
00:44:55,420 --> 00:44:56,420
There was just...

1087
00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:57,420
I'm with Haraldo, man.

1088
00:44:57,420 --> 00:44:58,420
Haraldo's a lawyer.

1089
00:44:58,420 --> 00:45:00,420
He's seen all the documents.

1090
00:45:00,420 --> 00:45:02,420
He said his bullshit.

1091
00:45:02,420 --> 00:45:03,420
I'd like Haraldo.

1092
00:45:03,420 --> 00:45:04,420
Yeah, I like Haraldo.

1093
00:45:04,420 --> 00:45:06,420
He was normally, I think, he's a jackass.

1094
00:45:06,420 --> 00:45:07,420
No, Haraldo's only.

1095
00:45:07,420 --> 00:45:08,420
I've always liked him.

1096
00:45:08,420 --> 00:45:09,420
I've always liked him.

1097
00:45:09,420 --> 00:45:11,420
You used to like him, though, because he had it.

1098
00:45:11,420 --> 00:45:13,420
He'd be fluted in New York every day in his own helicopter.

1099
00:45:13,420 --> 00:45:15,420
I had nothing to do with it.

1100
00:45:15,420 --> 00:45:17,420
Nothing to do with it at all.

1101
00:45:17,420 --> 00:45:19,420
That wasn't until much later.

1102
00:45:19,420 --> 00:45:20,420
Nothing to do with it.

1103
00:45:20,420 --> 00:45:23,420
While you were sitting in traffic in the roles.

1104
00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:25,420
And you never had it in the helicopter.

1105
00:45:25,420 --> 00:45:26,420
I had nothing to do with it.

1106
00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:27,420
I always liked him.

1107
00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:29,420
I thought I love watching his show.

1108
00:45:29,420 --> 00:45:31,420
We still get fucked over here.

1109
00:45:31,420 --> 00:45:32,420
I watch him all the time.

1110
00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:34,420
He cracks me up.

1111
00:45:34,420 --> 00:45:40,420
By the way, the car that the garage door fell on.

1112
00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:42,420
You heard that story.

1113
00:45:42,420 --> 00:45:46,420
I actually was brushing my teeth while I was listening to that story.

1114
00:45:46,420 --> 00:45:52,420
It made me spit toothpaste all over my brand new high definition flat panel monitor.

1115
00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:56,420
Was it the CRX or was it the Camaro?

1116
00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:58,420
No, that was the Mitsubishi.

1117
00:45:58,420 --> 00:46:00,420
Oh, the Mitsubishi, right?

1118
00:46:00,420 --> 00:46:04,420
The Mitsubishi had about two months left on its lease.

1119
00:46:04,420 --> 00:46:06,420
When I bought my first new Camaro, that was the Z28.

1120
00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:08,420
That reminded me of a funny story.

1121
00:46:08,420 --> 00:46:10,420
The night I picked up that Z28.

1122
00:46:10,420 --> 00:46:14,420
And the Mitsubishi, I'll explain why the Mitsubishi was in the garage in a moment.

1123
00:46:14,420 --> 00:46:18,420
But you got in that thing in a bathrobe.

1124
00:46:18,420 --> 00:46:19,420
Do you recall?

1125
00:46:19,420 --> 00:46:20,420
Yeah.

1126
00:46:20,420 --> 00:46:25,420
And put that car up till like 75 to 80 miles an hour in a 25.

1127
00:46:25,420 --> 00:46:26,420
And like five seconds.

1128
00:46:26,420 --> 00:46:28,420
Well, I did it before, I think.

1129
00:46:28,420 --> 00:46:32,420
And I was just envisioning the arrest of you.

1130
00:46:32,420 --> 00:46:36,420
MTV and radio celebrity in a bathrobe.

1131
00:46:36,420 --> 00:46:41,420
For doing 85 into 25 in my Z28.

1132
00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:42,420
Didn't happen.

1133
00:46:42,420 --> 00:46:43,420
It worked out.

1134
00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:44,420
No, it was fine.

1135
00:46:44,420 --> 00:46:46,420
And no, that wasn't the car that got teaboned.

1136
00:46:46,420 --> 00:46:49,420
The car that got teaboned was in 2002.

1137
00:46:49,420 --> 00:46:53,420
That I had SS that I had replaced the Z28 with.

1138
00:46:53,420 --> 00:46:55,420
The car is at overlap.

1139
00:46:56,420 --> 00:46:59,420
I still had like two months left on my lease of the Mitsubishi.

1140
00:46:59,420 --> 00:47:03,420
And I only had one garage stall at my apartment in you for whatever reason.

1141
00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:04,420
I think you had sold the Porsche.

1142
00:47:04,420 --> 00:47:08,420
And one of the garage stalls there at the curry mansion was vacant.

1143
00:47:08,420 --> 00:47:09,420
Yeah.

1144
00:47:09,420 --> 00:47:10,420
The one that didn't work.

1145
00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:11,420
Right.

1146
00:47:11,420 --> 00:47:16,420
And so I had stored the Mitsubishi in the garage there for like two months until the lease was up.

1147
00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:17,420
Oh, you were pulling it out.

1148
00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:18,420
Was that it?

1149
00:47:18,420 --> 00:47:20,420
You were pulling it out of the garage.

1150
00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:22,420
That car was in perfect shape.

1151
00:47:22,420 --> 00:47:24,420
I was supposed to be taking it back to Mitsubishi.

1152
00:47:24,420 --> 00:47:28,420
The next day to turn it in at the end of its three year lease.

1153
00:47:28,420 --> 00:47:31,420
Patricia was standing there in the driveway.

1154
00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:33,420
I had somehow wedged.

1155
00:47:33,420 --> 00:47:35,420
I knew the spring and the garage door didn't work.

1156
00:47:35,420 --> 00:47:37,420
And it was a really heavy garage door.

1157
00:47:37,420 --> 00:47:43,420
I had wedged a piece of wood or something in there that was supposed to prevent it from coming down.

1158
00:47:43,420 --> 00:47:44,420
Yeah.

1159
00:47:44,420 --> 00:47:46,420
And I got about halfway out of the garage.

1160
00:47:46,420 --> 00:47:48,420
When Patricia, I heard her yell.

1161
00:47:48,420 --> 00:47:51,420
And I saw the door starting to come down.

1162
00:47:51,420 --> 00:47:52,420
I was in reverse.

1163
00:47:52,420 --> 00:47:53,420
I floored it.

1164
00:47:53,420 --> 00:47:58,420
I laid a huge smoker in the garage trying to like that.

1165
00:47:58,420 --> 00:48:03,420
And I didn't get back far enough because that like 200 pound garage door went right dead center

1166
00:48:03,420 --> 00:48:05,420
across the hood.

1167
00:48:05,420 --> 00:48:06,420
Yeah.

1168
00:48:06,420 --> 00:48:09,420
And put a huge dent in it.

1169
00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:13,420
And the funny thing is, is I pounded that back out with a hammer.

1170
00:48:13,420 --> 00:48:14,420
It looked awful.

1171
00:48:14,420 --> 00:48:15,420
I took it back to Mitsubishi.

1172
00:48:15,420 --> 00:48:17,420
And they said, thanks.

1173
00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:19,420
They didn't even come out to the lot and look at it.

1174
00:48:19,420 --> 00:48:20,420
Yeah.

1175
00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:24,420
They like wrote me a check for my security deposit and I was out of there and goodbye.

1176
00:48:24,420 --> 00:48:26,420
Nobody ever said a word about it.

1177
00:48:26,420 --> 00:48:27,420
Oh, baby.

1178
00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:29,420
That was the Mitsubishi.

1179
00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:30,420
Yeah.

1180
00:48:30,420 --> 00:48:31,420
I love that.

1181
00:48:31,420 --> 00:48:35,420
And it is funny because I think even that day when I got out of the car and there was a huge dent.

1182
00:48:35,420 --> 00:48:38,420
I mean, the garage door was stuck across the hood.

1183
00:48:38,420 --> 00:48:42,420
There was smoke rolling out from, you know, the patch I had laid.

1184
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:43,420
I think Patricia.

1185
00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:44,420
She was laughing.

1186
00:48:44,420 --> 00:48:45,420
I bet she was laughing.

1187
00:48:45,420 --> 00:48:47,420
She was laughing so hard at me.

1188
00:48:47,420 --> 00:48:48,420
I bet.

1189
00:48:48,420 --> 00:48:49,420
Because I had a fit.

1190
00:48:49,420 --> 00:48:50,420
I really did have a fit.

1191
00:48:50,420 --> 00:48:53,420
I was like, oh, no.

1192
00:48:53,420 --> 00:48:55,420
But you're right.

1193
00:48:55,420 --> 00:48:56,420
You know me and cars.

1194
00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:57,420
Uh-huh.

1195
00:48:57,420 --> 00:48:59,420
I couldn't help it.

1196
00:48:59,420 --> 00:49:01,420
So do you have anything else we can wrap this one up?

1197
00:49:01,420 --> 00:49:03,420
Because we're already at, like, what are we at now?

1198
00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:04,420
Fort.

1199
00:49:04,420 --> 00:49:05,420
Oh, I think we should probably wrap.

1200
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:08,420
That was the big stuff I had on the list for the day.

1201
00:49:08,420 --> 00:49:11,420
I mean, you and I could talk about stuff all the time.

1202
00:49:11,420 --> 00:49:13,420
We should do a theme next time.

1203
00:49:13,420 --> 00:49:15,420
Like, you know, we still haven't talked about Joni Abbott.

1204
00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:16,420
I promise myself.

1205
00:49:16,420 --> 00:49:17,420
We're going to do that one of these things.

1206
00:49:17,420 --> 00:49:19,420
We haven't talked about Joni Abbott.

1207
00:49:19,420 --> 00:49:20,420
We haven't talked about Joni Abbott.

1208
00:49:20,420 --> 00:49:21,420
So we talk about the dead people.

1209
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:22,420
Uh-huh.

1210
00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:25,420
We haven't talked about Dabithis Ouron Burger.

1211
00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:26,420
Oh, my God, crabatha.

1212
00:49:26,420 --> 00:49:27,420
rabatha.

1213
00:49:27,420 --> 00:49:29,420
Ah, my goodness.

1214
00:49:29,420 --> 00:49:32,420
Nughoses up at five o'clock is it with Courader Crabby.

1215
00:49:32,420 --> 00:49:33,420
Yes.

1216
00:49:33,420 --> 00:49:35,420
And they say Cour'! Everybody be like, oh, I think God.

1217
00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:36,420
Yeah.

1218
00:49:36,420 --> 00:49:37,420
I call it.

1219
00:49:37,420 --> 00:49:38,420
Yeah.

1220
00:49:38,420 --> 00:49:40,420
I said it was with Crabby, everybody would be like, oh man.

1221
00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:43,420
There was someone else who I heard from the other day, um.

1222
00:49:43,420 --> 00:49:49,500
It was, um, God damn, I think another guy from the news department, he was kind of like a, he was a cool guy.

1223
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:54,620
He, um, it was Dave Serolnik, and there was someone else, there's not a Dave.

1224
00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:58,660
I'm trying to think, Dave and Nupus, I remember Dave Serolnik.

1225
00:49:58,660 --> 00:50:01,820
Yeah, that wasn't the one I should have kept my notes.

1226
00:50:01,820 --> 00:50:02,820
So I don't know.

1227
00:50:02,820 --> 00:50:03,660
I've got it.

1228
00:50:03,660 --> 00:50:04,660
I'm sure on a memo.

1229
00:50:04,660 --> 00:50:07,660
So I'm wearing trust me, but I'm some of my memories of everybody.

1230
00:50:07,660 --> 00:50:08,660
You know, it's funny.

1231
00:50:08,660 --> 00:50:13,180
I remember so many people, but when you go back, you know, even when I did that reunion,

1232
00:50:13,180 --> 00:50:16,260
JJ thing, there were people I had completely forgotten about.

1233
00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:21,900
You know, Chris Kelly, the stage manager and Chris Kelly, yeah, Chris Kelly was the

1234
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:23,500
stage manager for a long time.

1235
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:28,140
Then Jenna Rossitano became the, the pretty regular stage manager.

1236
00:50:28,140 --> 00:50:29,500
She was cute.

1237
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:33,940
Jenna still stage managing Saturday night live, you know, because she was Beth's buddy, right?

1238
00:50:33,940 --> 00:50:36,940
Um, yeah, Beth in this whole group.

1239
00:50:36,940 --> 00:50:38,940
She's still directing of sure, right?

1240
00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:40,940
But, saying Beth is directing.

1241
00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:41,940
Beth is directing.

1242
00:50:41,980 --> 00:50:45,860
Beth has been directing Saturday night live now for five, six years.

1243
00:50:45,860 --> 00:50:46,860
Yeah.

1244
00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:50,100
Um, but Jenna is there.

1245
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:54,980
There's a bunch of old MTV staffers that have gone over and are at Saturday night live.

1246
00:50:54,980 --> 00:50:58,740
And I always say every time I go to New York, I'm going, I should get in touch with Beth

1247
00:50:58,740 --> 00:51:02,860
in those guys, because that was the one, you know, one of the great things about working

1248
00:51:02,860 --> 00:51:07,180
at MTV with all those years is that you get to go to all the cool places, you know,

1249
00:51:07,180 --> 00:51:10,580
you get to go to the show tapings and the concerts and all that.

1250
00:51:10,580 --> 00:51:12,980
But I never got to go to Saturday night live ever.

1251
00:51:12,980 --> 00:51:13,980
Me neither.

1252
00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:15,140
And we've got buddies there.

1253
00:51:15,140 --> 00:51:16,380
Did you ever go to Saturday night?

1254
00:51:16,380 --> 00:51:17,380
No.

1255
00:51:17,380 --> 00:51:18,380
No.

1256
00:51:18,380 --> 00:51:20,020
No, never did.

1257
00:51:20,020 --> 00:51:22,940
So we should make a list of stuff to talk about next time.

1258
00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:27,140
Well, you and I actually haven't had a conversation, you and I since the last time we did

1259
00:51:27,140 --> 00:51:28,140
at MTV Chronicles.

1260
00:51:28,140 --> 00:51:31,980
So yeah, I just don't want to have to brainstorm.

1261
00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:32,980
That would require work.

1262
00:51:32,980 --> 00:51:38,380
Like either of us have time between work and accidents and you running an empire

1263
00:51:38,380 --> 00:51:41,140
affair from the English countryside.

1264
00:51:41,140 --> 00:51:42,140
Yes, indeed.

1265
00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:45,380
I'm glad you enjoyed the good at cheese shopping cards story too, by the way.

1266
00:51:45,380 --> 00:51:46,380
The one.

1267
00:51:46,380 --> 00:51:48,380
Oh, yeah, the good at shopping card.

1268
00:51:48,380 --> 00:51:50,380
The shopping card full of good.

1269
00:51:50,380 --> 00:51:51,380
Yep.

1270
00:51:51,380 --> 00:51:57,380
Well, the cast is off my arm, so I can, I'm back to the, you get into the weirdos

1271
00:51:57,380 --> 00:51:58,380
shit, my friend.

1272
00:51:58,380 --> 00:51:59,380
You really do.

1273
00:51:59,380 --> 00:52:03,980
Well, I, you know, but you, you said it yourself last week, I, I, I don't go out

1274
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:04,980
looking for it.

1275
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:05,980
It's just.

1276
00:52:05,980 --> 00:52:06,980
It comes on to you.

1277
00:52:06,980 --> 00:52:07,980
All right.

1278
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:09,980
Well, thank you.

1279
00:52:09,980 --> 00:52:10,980
This is always fun.

1280
00:52:10,980 --> 00:52:11,980
It's been good.

1281
00:52:11,980 --> 00:52:12,980
Yeah.

1282
00:52:12,980 --> 00:52:13,980
Good time.

1283
00:52:13,980 --> 00:52:14,980
Tell me MTV again.

1284
00:52:14,980 --> 00:52:17,860
And thank you for the, the plug there for the Ken and script show this last week.

1285
00:52:17,860 --> 00:52:22,140
I haven't done a promo in a long time, but yeah, but something about getting an accident

1286
00:52:22,140 --> 00:52:24,580
is inspiring to my creative juices.

1287
00:52:24,580 --> 00:52:25,580
But I like it so much.

1288
00:52:25,580 --> 00:52:28,180
I'd like it when you just talk about regular shit that's happened to you.

1289
00:52:28,180 --> 00:52:29,180
That's funny, you know?

1290
00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:32,820
That's real life seems to be funny.

1291
00:52:32,820 --> 00:52:33,820
Typically it does.

1292
00:52:33,820 --> 00:52:37,220
And I think that's pretty much what's going to happen this week as well, because I've

1293
00:52:37,220 --> 00:52:40,820
gotten no big sticks or gigs, and we're not traveling, so.

1294
00:52:40,820 --> 00:52:41,820
Okay.

1295
00:52:41,820 --> 00:52:43,820
How's business out there, everything good?

1296
00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:46,220
Oh, I am swamped in real estate right now.

1297
00:52:46,220 --> 00:52:51,660
As soon as I booked an airplane ticket to Florida and gotten a car accident, I got swamped.

1298
00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:55,660
I got seven pieces of business on my plate, and I've been working like 14 hour days,

1299
00:52:55,660 --> 00:52:56,660
seven days a week.

1300
00:52:56,660 --> 00:52:57,660
Right.

1301
00:52:57,660 --> 00:53:04,080
It looks like it's going to be a banner, a banner spring from the accounting standpoint,

1302
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,820
and I'll just have to relax somewhere down the road when business slows down a little bit.

1303
00:53:08,820 --> 00:53:09,820
Okay.

1304
00:53:09,820 --> 00:53:10,820
You want to do some more.

1305
00:53:10,820 --> 00:53:11,820
I'm having a lot of fun.

1306
00:53:11,820 --> 00:53:12,820
You want to do some more of that.

1307
00:53:12,820 --> 00:53:13,820
You want to have your Lord out.

1308
00:53:13,820 --> 00:53:15,580
I'm actually off to Florida next week to spend a week at the parents house on the

1309
00:53:15,580 --> 00:53:18,580
other side of Florida from where you guys go.

1310
00:53:18,580 --> 00:53:19,580
Okay.

1311
00:53:19,580 --> 00:53:23,920
Well, Patricia says hi, I couldn't get it to come up because Oman Opa just left and she was

1312
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,260
enjoying his soul when I know.

1313
00:53:26,260 --> 00:53:29,620
Yeah, they were here for like while we were on vacation and they were here

1314
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:35,100
For what week we came back what Wednesday? I think yeah, we came back home in opera

1315
00:53:35,260 --> 00:53:40,860
But Trisha's mom would always she was a very violent woman. She would always she still hits me like hit me

1316
00:53:40,860 --> 00:53:43,860
So yeah, she hits me all the time

1317
00:53:44,580 --> 00:53:51,300
I can just do his legs at first time. I met but Trisha's mom. She said you know can you look just like Jesus Christ

1318
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:55,300
And then she hit you

1319
00:53:56,900 --> 00:54:02,980
All right, all right. Well, my love to the whole family back at you by and we'll do this again more sooner next time

1320
00:54:02,980 --> 00:54:04,980
Okay, dokey

1321
00:54:04,980 --> 00:54:06,980
Thank you. See you. Bye