1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,520 this is the daily source code episode 184 it is well let's see 1239 that's 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:17,800 past midnight it is the 25th of May 2005 coming to you from Palo Alto 3 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:25,720 California from the lovely creekside in which is actually a pretty a pretty 4 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:32,280 dynamite little hotel oh boy let me tell you I'm sorry I'm already blowing 5 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:39,280 into the microphone it's been another extremely long day and I apologize that 6 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,800 I'm not able to bring you a source code with you know the promos that I 7 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,920 that I love to bring you and the pod safe music and the mashups and all 8 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:54,080 the fun stuff but the the hotel that we're in and by the way most hotels are 9 00:00:54,080 --> 00:01:01,160 pretty full here in Palo Alto before we stayed in San Francisco of course there's 10 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:07,960 a lot more capacity there for for people staying overnight or a couple of 11 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:16,040 nights Palo Alto just seems to be pretty much booked up and this hotel has a 12 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:21,320 free internet which is great unfortunately you get what you pay for I'm not 13 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:26,200 quite sure what's going on but it seems like the connectivity drops out you 14 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,080 know every five minutes or so it'll drop out for a couple of seconds which is 15 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:35,680 just enough to mess up any Skype call you happen to be making requiring a 16 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,840 readile team mobile by the way which is what I have here in the states for my 17 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:47,840 cell phone is almost non-existent in this area so I guess we're roaming on what is 18 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:54,040 it singular cellular and the whole on second this is Paris Hilton's new 19 00:01:54,040 --> 00:02:17,440 commercial home just check I love Paris Hilton I got to tell you she's 20 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:23,000 she's smart she's really smart now okay so what's the controversy guys she's 21 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,480 washing her Bentley 22 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:39,200 okay whatever so because of that it's very difficult to download stuff and because 23 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:44,360 we're pretty much on the road all day there's just no other opportunity and we 24 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:49,680 just got back from dinner about about forty five minutes ago I didn't 25 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:54,520 was Steve Gilmore who was in the neighborhood so whatever one San Francisco 26 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,640 Steve seems to be in the neighborhood by the way oh and before I forget to 27 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:05,960 night so that's Wednesday night at seven o'clock there's a San Francisco podcast 28 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:11,200 there's meetup hosted by Michael Butler rock and roll geek I I really would 29 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:17,120 like to go but I think that Ron and I are gonna have to hop a flight for Los 30 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:23,440 Angeles Wednesday night so that's obviously I'm recording this Tuesday night 31 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:29,120 but officially Wednesday morning so we're gonna try but because of all the 32 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:35,520 mess up in with the America West in Phoenix and and we just had to shuffle a 33 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:41,960 whole bunch of stuff around so I just I figured update you know this is 34 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:48,040 sometimes I'd like to post stuff on the blog just in in text and I just 35 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,920 have no energy for it so I'm actually lying in bed watching TV or another 36 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:58,600 drawback of this hotel no porn channels that's a wait a minute what's this 37 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:04,240 button ACH what's that just gives you the previous channel no porn 38 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:10,400 channels not that I'd watch that or anything like that I noticed that what is this 39 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,760 new program on television I did may not be new CJ I know what stands for 40 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,440 it's kind of like an entertainment tonight and now they've got where they 41 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:22,080 got this Phil Spectre trial you don't hear a lot about Michael Jackson these 42 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,280 days except from the CJ show I see like a daily update of Michael Jackson 43 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:32,720 trial and now that he seems to have a have an upper hand and that well his 44 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:38,320 team is really attacking his accuser particularly the mother and it's not 45 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:43,040 looking too good for her man and you know what right Lisa I told you I've been 46 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,480 supporting Michael Jackson on this all the way and in a sitting till proven 47 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:55,640 guilty right so this morning started off very early we had breakfast with someone 48 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:02,080 who I've known for let's see 12 years but a never met and person so when 49 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:11,360 who was pivotal in my mind pivotal in in early internet days and created created 50 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,880 some stuff that has really you know been a big benefit to people all over the 51 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:22,680 world I'll tell you a little before I tell you who it is the story is in 1993 I 52 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,320 had registered MTV dot com by the way that was with total approval and knowledge 53 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:32,160 of MTV and I was running something called a go-for server this is before the 54 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:38,200 worldwide web and a go-for server it was basically a text based linking 55 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:45,720 system with menu so you'd have a menu of you could basically determine how 56 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,240 how many different options there were on each menu on a screen so you know 57 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,840 numbered one through whatever and if you either hit a number key or if you used 58 00:05:55,840 --> 00:06:00,680 your cursor keys you could navigate to a link essentially that could take you 59 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:05,560 to another go-for server or to a or to a page of information or picture and it 60 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:10,000 was it was pretty much a hyper linking system and I remember getting an email 61 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,000 which of course at the time was something pretty new as well if you ever listened 62 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,000 to the MTV Chronicles cast that can Clark and I have done we've done three now 63 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,960 we're still another one by the way she's like a fourth wrap up on that 64 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:28,600 I was going to say 65 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:34,240 shoot oh anyway so I had my adamant mtv dot com at the time I received an 66 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,960 email and said hey Adam really love what you're doing with the go-for stuff 67 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,480 you know you should check this out because this will add pictures and and 68 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:48,960 some layout capabilities for your screen and included with it was 69 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:54,120 I think it was and maybe even an attachment at the time you you encoded if 70 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:59,880 you remember those days some of you might of something called HTTPD I think 71 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:06,360 it was version one dot three and that email was from Mark and Riesen and he 72 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:12,120 many of you remember started at the University of Champagne or Bona and Illinois 73 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:18,400 with the first browser which was Mosaic and later of course he went on to 74 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:24,240 create Netscape and I remember that that day when I was like you know and I 75 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:30,960 actually installed it myself my own server was a headless sun three and there was 76 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,240 this mosaic software and you had you know a couple of sites you could go to 77 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:39,760 it also could do go-for links by the way and FTP links it could 78 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,680 understood that as well and I remember like you know looking at this page and 79 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,560 saw all these boxes with blue outlines and all of a sudden pictures started to 80 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:54,200 appear and it was just a such an eye opener and and of course Mark thought that 81 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,760 you know I would be into this because MTV was a highly visual medium and we're 82 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,260 moving from text into pictures and it was funny because at breakfast this 83 00:08:01,260 --> 00:08:06,560 morning we were talking about that and he said man you know back in those days 84 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:12,400 I had had like a big target on my forehead and people were so angry because 85 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,600 they said pictures gonna ruin the web and you're you're ruining our our 86 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:22,920 medium and get out of here and stop this and you're bad and you're evil and I 87 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,320 don't think anyone can say that that pictures turned out to be evil on the 88 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:32,760 unit well some pictures arguably but so it was good kind of reminiscing and 89 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:40,000 I never met him and we met at a place in downtown Palo Alto is it downtown I 90 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:48,160 guess yeah called the most at the creamery and this guy's tall he's tall 91 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:53,000 than I am like man you're a big he's like well I didn't know you were this 92 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,200 tall either but he's these bigger than I am that was pretty interesting and 93 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:02,800 that was funny you know and he's a big satellite radio fan he has he has 94 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:08,920 serious as well as XM I believe and you know we're talking about music and 95 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,760 he's got a new company which I think is actually located above the 96 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,960 creamery and he promised me that when he's ready to talk about it he'll come 97 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:23,560 on the source code and he'll do it in person or we'll do it through Skype and 98 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:27,000 he'll let us know what he's up to and what's going on so it was really fun 99 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,840 that was just the kind of a feel good meeting you know we're in town and 100 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:36,880 and able to hook up and it was cool it was cool meeting him and let me see 101 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:43,640 oh man what this is so much to talk about throughout the day by the way I had an 102 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:49,920 opportunity to listen to KU radio which is the AM station here in the Bay Area that 103 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:54,620 is broadcasting podcast it's interesting I don't think they're actually doing 104 00:09:54,620 --> 00:09:59,720 podcast 100% of the time it's well there's a lot of imaging and and sound 105 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,520 stuff that you know kind of positions it has open source radio there's a lot of 106 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:09,320 that a lot of music notice that and it sounded like that there still had some 107 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:14,680 some kind of other stuff in between in fact was very hard for us to I didn't 108 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:20,440 know the frequency off hand was searching around trying to find it and must have 109 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,160 skipped over to couple times either because they were in commercials or there 110 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,920 was it sounded like a very typical you know dial-in talk show or something that 111 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:35,600 was going on so that was a little bit confusing and most of the podcast and of 112 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:40,960 course in lots of podcasts we we mentioned dates you know it's like 15th of 113 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,880 March 20th of March and I guess that's the process of basically the submission 114 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,520 process that they have to deal with is you know they have to listen to everything 115 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:54,280 or approve and screen everything before it goes out because of the the 116 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:59,080 the obviously the decency or indecency laws but it was pretty cool it was 117 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,480 interesting to listen to that and not not much different from pod show and 118 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:08,800 serious except that's more current and we have you know the concept of 119 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:14,760 promos which is something I don't hear a lot of on KU radio but it was very 120 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:24,400 interesting to listen to it then we met with oh this is interesting a couple of 121 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:30,600 was it last week what's it last week as before I left actually I heard on 122 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,160 morning coffee notes the day wine or does he was talking about a gentleman named 123 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,400 Randy commissar who is with a venture capital firm 124 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:47,200 kind of Perkins here in San Francisco in the Valley and 125 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:53,040 what Dave was saying I'm paraphrasing of course is that a company like a 126 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:59,800 cleaner person should sponsor some of the legacy of Silicon Valley and a good 127 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:05,120 place to do that would be on the Gilmore gang and so when I met Randy and he 128 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:10,360 said you know I spoke to Dave and we talked for a while about podcasting and I 129 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,000 said yeah I know he said oh really yeah because Dave podcast he hadn't heard 130 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,600 Dave's podcast so I also know that he suggested you know you sponsor the Gilmore 131 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:24,840 gang and he said yeah yeah that'd be great as well I'll be submitting a proposal 132 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:32,960 for you tomorrow so that actually might pan out and and if it does I'll make sure 133 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,680 that the Dave gets a commission on it that was it was it was it was a great loop 134 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:44,640 closing there was a lot of fun let me see what did I write down here oh meanwhile 135 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:50,760 in New York Madge Weinstein was visiting New York you probably saw that Madge 136 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:57,120 did an interview with the famous famous drag queen bunny and I just saw 137 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:03,520 that that was up and posted excuse me but I'd also hooked Madge up with the 138 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:10,680 tour of the serious satellite radio studio facilities and spoke to her as she was 139 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:16,840 on her way back to Chicago and she said oh I'll add him so wonderful I met all 140 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,600 these old guys these radio stars and celebrities and she'd basically did a 141 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,360 sound seeing tour and hopefully that'll be up in the in the next day or so I 142 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,760 cannot wait to hear how that one over just haven't Madge walking through the 143 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:37,520 serious satellite radio studios I must have been pretty interesting let's see I 144 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,920 just going through a couple of things I wrote down just because I wanted to 145 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:49,760 update you on everything that's happening tomorrow see tomorrow we have a follow-up 146 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:56,720 meeting at Apple and Cooper T no never been to Apple which is interesting because 147 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:02,960 I've you know I always say that I'm a beta tester for Apple products ever since 148 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:08,040 the Mac Plus essentially and I've always paid for the privilege to be 149 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,120 into beta test all the Apple products so it's going to be great to kind of 150 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:17,240 get a little bit of the vibe of the company and of course this is a meeting 151 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:22,400 about you know what's coming in iTunes what I'm going to ask them is since there's 152 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:28,360 so much noise about this and and so much talk going on and I can see that 153 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,920 there's a lot of confusion in some cases and some things are just you know 154 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,600 it's just not a love information out there but I think there's enough that I 155 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:41,200 I'd like to ask them if I can talk a little bit more about what they're going 156 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:47,120 to be doing and if I look at my calendar I say and this Steve Jobs is pretty 157 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,200 good for if he says 60 days when something's going to be released you can 158 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:56,600 pretty much bet it's going to be 60 days so let's say that's T minus 57 and 159 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:02,360 counting so looking forward to being able to talk a little bit more about 160 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:08,080 that just to I think the community deserves the podcast and community deserves 161 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:13,080 note what's going on because it's going to affect us all in very very positive 162 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,080 ways so that's tomorrow then we're going to hop on a plane and go to Los Angeles 163 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:22,880 a couple a couple meetings there some some entertainment people that we've 164 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,520 been wanting to talk to who are interested in course and and what we're doing 165 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:32,760 I don't know that you know there's a lot that we can do with with with Hollywood 166 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:39,920 in particular but yeah this well besides the fact that it's close and it's just 167 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,120 a plane ride away there's lots of people that I know in Los Angeles who I 168 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:48,240 really I want to hook up with and haven't been to LA in a really long time so 169 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,400 looking forward to that and then we have another kind of important meeting 170 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,800 happening on Tuesday so I talked to Patricia what we're trying to figure out now is 171 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:01,400 you know it's I've been away now since I left on Saturday I'd really like 172 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,320 to go home and just spend the weekend with with my girls with Patricia 173 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:11,400 Christina and then I would just come on out I fly out again Monday for for Tuesday 174 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:16,320 meeting and Patricia's always saying and you're not stay out there but I 175 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:21,560 don't know I gotta figure that what we're gonna do and back at the ranch 176 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:31,640 exciting things happening at podcast alley I'd see Chris McIntyre is working 177 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,480 on I'll tell you what the name is and you'll understand exactly what what's 178 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,840 going on he's working on something called my alley I love the name I just love 179 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,880 the whole branding and the whole concept of podcast alley it's if you ever heard 180 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:50,160 John Jet had an album out once called up up my alley up your alley just the 181 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,440 word alley is is a great word you only have alleys in the east coast that's 182 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:58,080 new this is a real New York east coast thing is an alley and that's some really 183 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:03,440 cool stuff that he's that he's working on and I find myself using podcast 184 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:09,160 alley more and more these days to find things he's got some you know the the 185 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,320 metadata is really starting to come together in the forums man that's where if 186 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,440 you want to know what's going on and what's what's happening in podcast and 187 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,600 what's popular podcast alley is definitely the place to check it out and I've 188 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:27,360 never asked anyone to vote for me on on podcast alley but I can see how if you 189 00:17:27,360 --> 00:17:31,480 have a podcast and and there's many different ways you can get people to to vote 190 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,840 for your podcasts it you know if they like it obviously it is a great place to 191 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:41,760 get to get to get exposure for for your podcast and I think that I've got just 192 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:48,040 the bombs I get through everything I want to talk about yeah so 17 almost 18 193 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:55,160 minutes and it is almost one o'clock so I'm gonna shut down for now I'm gonna 194 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,760 be waking up in the typical six hour night that's what it seems to be when we're 195 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:04,600 on the road and then from alley I hope to have some better connectivity and 196 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:11,800 more opportunity to bring you a full blown source code because there's so 197 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:16,560 many cool things being sent in for the pod show and serious which is now 198 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:23,480 it's almost become my new show prep PW Fenton is doing a great job at you know 199 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,960 basically scheduling everything making sure that everything gets on to the 200 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,960 the pod show and that's really where I'm getting all these cool promos from 201 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:36,240 and the and the pod save music if you've got something you want to send in 202 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,600 for the source code or for the pod show on a serious satellite send it to 203 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:45,960 submit at podshow.com if you got to pod save music it's pod save at podshow.com 204 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:54,080 and of course mashups send it off to mashup at podshow.com well that's it 205 00:18:55,080 --> 00:19:03,440 I'm gonna turn off the light and a sleep and tomorrow sometime we'll be talking 206 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:09,200 to each other so take care and wherever you are talk to you soon right here on 207 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,400 the source code bye