1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Delta Sierra Charly 2...4...4... 2 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,000 With $16 million worth of airplane strapped my ass... 3 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000 ...than the next generation radio content in my ears. 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,000 We don't need no thinking, can we? 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,000 I like to think I'm flying you to the future. 6 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:39,000 It is Thursday the 22nd of September, good morning from Northern California. 7 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Once again, coming to you from the Curry Condo, how you doing? 8 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Okay, I've got my regime set now. 9 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Here's how it works every single morning. 10 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Eyes awake just before the alarm clock goes off. 11 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Because light streaming into the room. 12 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Do some email on the blackberry, and then get ready for this or else go. 13 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,000 So freaking sad, then. 14 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,000 I swear to God, I wake up and like, let me just check my messages. 15 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,000 I think I'm actually getting better in my email, though. 16 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,000 Oh, let's see, it's 9. 17 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:20,000 It's about 9 a.m. here in the condo in San Francisco, California. 18 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Three main topics today, which will be about the hate podcast that we discussed yesterday. 19 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:33,000 A little bit more on the sound-vertising experiments. 20 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,000 I actually may have four different topics. 21 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Let me regroup here. 22 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Yeah, so that's two. 23 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,000 I don't remember what I was going to talk about. 24 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:55,000 Right now we have, I think several members of the pod show family are roaming around San Francisco. 25 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:01,000 Doing sound-steens towards Will Smith is in town, doing a movie. 26 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,000 I think that you could try to finagle their way on the sets and do stuff. 27 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,000 So you could get anything sent in, then I'll let definitely put it on. 28 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,000 If it comes in the next few minutes, of course. 29 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:19,000 So, as I awakened, and your day has probably already started. 30 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Once again, it's very, very foggy outside, and here on the 24th floor and the condo, 31 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:32,000 the fog just kind of rolls on it, and it's a little bit gloomy, although I do know it will burn off later. 32 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,000 But it made me think of Patricia. 33 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,000 So I thought I'd play one of her songs since I miss her and London too. 34 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:47,000 A foggy day in London town. 35 00:02:47,000 --> 00:04:50,000 [ Music ] 36 00:04:50,000 --> 00:05:08,000 and in foggy London town, but the sun was shining everywhere. 37 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,000 Girl has some pipes. 38 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Oh, it gives me goosebumps. 39 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,000 Okay, that helped. 40 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,000 Yeah, that woke me up a little bit. 41 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Good to hear my wife. 42 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:25,000 I only talked to her once a day, because that's why we've talked about time differences being in California. 43 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:31,000 I got to get up, I got to do my stuff, and by the time I really have, 44 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,000 I'd like to chat for at least half an hour, catch up on what's going on. 45 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,000 It's already 9pm over there, and I'm still in morning, go get a mode, 46 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,000 and she's in winded down decompression mode. 47 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:46,000 So that's a little bit tough, but only about a week now before I'll be going back, 48 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,000 and we will be, oh, there's another great song. 49 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,000 If I have this song, I'll play it, I'll play a snippet for you, hold on. 50 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,000 Oh, I fixed iTunes, that was my other topic that I was going to talk to you about. 51 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000 Well, I didn't really fix it, but I figured out how to make it work again. 52 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,000 I didn't fix my subscriptions, those are all lost. 53 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,000 Hold on a second, let me see if I have. 54 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,000 Oh, man. 55 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,000 You'd think I'd have peaches in her with reunited. 56 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Now, I have peaches in her, but I don't have reunited. 57 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,000 What do I have? 58 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,000 I have six. 59 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Yeah, that's a shaky group thing, that doesn't count. 60 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Okay. 61 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Okay, so what should we talk about? 62 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Oh, yeah, iTunes, let's talk about that real quick. 63 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,000 The coffee's brewing in the background, so I mean, 64 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,000 you know, I got to talk about the sound advertising stuff. 65 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,000 So, after installing and reading, re-installing iTunes, 66 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,000 the new version 5.0.1, 67 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000 still, it wouldn't actually even start up, 68 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,000 and so I figured there must be something completely horrendously wrong 69 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,000 with both the library and probably the XML file that's in the iTunes folder. 70 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,000 So, I trashed both of those, started up again, and of course, 71 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,000 iTunes was fine, and it had to re-index my library, 72 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,000 so I lost my playlist, but that's no big, I don't care about that. 73 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,000 And I'd already lost the subscription, so now I can start over again, 74 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,000 but this time I'm pretty confident that the program is going to be stable. 75 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,000 I guess just for some reason, and I did actually get a couple of emails 76 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:17,000 saying that folks who were members of the Dutch music store, 77 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,000 and you know, when I signed up for the music store, 78 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,000 actually when I signed up for my whole dot market count, 79 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,000 I did it when I was still living in the Netherlands, actually. 80 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,000 So, never got around to changing that. 81 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,000 It probably isn't even a real simple way, 82 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:39,000 and it may have something to do with the location specific music stores, 83 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,000 or the XML-associated with that, because I got a couple other reports 84 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:48,000 that that was happening with folks who were using the Dutch music store. 85 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,000 So, that could be what's going on. 86 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:55,000 You actually have a meeting over at Apple, was it next week? 87 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 I'll bring it up and see. 88 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Yeah, there's some other little features that were fixed here and there. 89 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Let me see, I think I had, 90 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,000 I'm really trying to get all my show notes together here. 91 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,000 Oh shoot, another thing we're supposed to talk about today, 92 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:13,000 show notes. Oh man, I had some great feedback on the show notes. 93 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Let me see, was this, here we go. 94 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,000 Mike from British Columbia, 95 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,000 Mike Hilderbrand from British Columbia, Canada, 96 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:29,000 says that it's what was happening here. 97 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,000 He has iTunes that only keep the podcast. 98 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,000 He hasn't listened to, once he's listened to a show, 99 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,000 it gets deleted automatically next time. 100 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Oh man. 101 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 I can now I can't figure out what he's saying. 102 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,000 It's okay, they fixed a lot of stuff in five. 103 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,000 Oh shoot, hold on a second. 104 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,000 I haven't done my milk yet, man. 105 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,000 Hold on. 106 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,000 You can hear that. 107 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000 That's me. 108 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,000 That's the cup of chino maker getting ready to move. 109 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,000 Just blow some steam into it. 110 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,000 Hold on. 111 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,000 Oh my kingdom for a set sail. 112 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,000 Oh man, this is insane. 113 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,000 It's, it's not that the coffee isn't good. 114 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,000 It's just that it's so fricking messy. 115 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,000 There we go. 116 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Once again, we're creating burn milk in a plastic cup. 117 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Oh, there's some reason it's sprawl thing much better today. 118 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,000 How tired do you get up listening to me? 119 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,000 Listen to me do this, huh? 120 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,000 There we go. 121 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Once again, totally not organized. 122 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Hold on one second. 123 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,000 Just let me, just let me grab this sugar. 124 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,000 Don't go away. 125 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,000 Okay. 126 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,000 Here we go. 127 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,000 There we go. 128 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,000 Yes fantastic. 129 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,000 So the reason why I'm not quite as organized 130 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,000 is I have a new system now for my email. 131 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,000 Let me talk to you about this because those of you who are using Gmail 132 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,000 and really like it. 133 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,000 But still want to take advantage of most of the Gmail features 134 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,000 and a lot of the features of the Blackberry. 135 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,000 By the way, I've been getting questions about which Blackberry 136 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,000 I have. 137 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,000 I have the 7290. 138 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,000 It's the plastic one with the, you know, 139 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,000 with the type of multiple keyboard. 140 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,000 I really like this device because, well, a number of reasons. 141 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,000 First of all, the keyboard does not suck. 142 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,000 I can type pretty fast with two thumbs. 143 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,000 Probably not much slower. 144 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000 It might even be fast. 145 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 I should judge it time that I'm not a, 146 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,000 I'm not a blind type this. 147 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,000 I use probably six fingers, 148 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,000 depending on what my mood is. 149 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Never learned to type properly. 150 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,000 And I do have to look at the keyboard once in a while. 151 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 But on the Blackberry, it goes pretty fast. 152 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,000 And the keys have good feedback, good response. 153 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,000 So you know when you hit it, 154 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,000 there has lots of shortcuts. 155 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,000 You know, if you want to do a capitalize letter, 156 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,000 you just hold the key down and it turns into a cap real quick. 157 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,000 But more importantly, 158 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,000 I can kind of, you know, take it anywhere. 159 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,000 And, well, you know, why get up in the morning? 160 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,000 The first thing I do is, 161 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,000 oh, just a skin through the mail. 162 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,000 And because there's a limited space on the device, 163 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,000 I think it has 32 megs of memory or something like that. 164 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,000 And also the way these guys set up. 165 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,000 You get like a 25 megabyte email, 166 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,000 a lot meant that can go into your Blackberry, 167 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000 which makes sense, you know, 168 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000 10 megs for applications and crap and 25 for email. 169 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,000 And then starts rejecting stuff. 170 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,000 So you kind of get into habit of clearing out the mailbox. 171 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,000 And guess what? 172 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,000 That means you go through it. 173 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,000 I've actually started really reading email lists again. 174 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,000 So let me just tell you how I did it. 175 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,000 Could it might be of interest to you if you're setting that up? 176 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,000 I love Gmail. 177 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:47,000 There's nothing that beats Gmail when it comes to really search-based email. 178 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,000 I love it. 179 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,000 It works for me. 180 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000 It's a fantastic idea. 181 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000 The interface is great. 182 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,000 I never have a problem with SMTP servers or anything like that. 183 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Just give me a web browser. 184 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,000 I can log in all my email addresses are there. 185 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000 And it's great. 186 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Okay. 187 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,000 We have to besides the fact that I've never seen to be able to keep under 99%. 188 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,000 I'm always at 100% and I find myself deleting things. 189 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:10,000 But, you know, usually people who still send me MP3 files as attachments. 190 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,000 So what I've done is I've set up a number of rules. 191 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,000 First of all, I set it up so that when I send something from the Blackberry, 192 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:24,000 it sends a blind carbon copy to my Gmail account. 193 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,000 And of course, I've set up a rule that if something comes in from the Blackberry from me, 194 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:32,000 then it should not be forwarded back to the Blackberry. 195 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Otherwise, you get this interesting loop. 196 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,000 You just basically read in your own exhaust. 197 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,000 And that's a pain. 198 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:44,000 So that, that, let me see. 199 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,000 So if it comes in from the Blackberry, then it does not get forwarded. 200 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,000 Everything else does get forwarded. 201 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:56,000 However, if something comes in from the Blackberry that I've tagged and by tagging meaning that I've forwarded it to myself. 202 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:01,000 And I put, as an example, DSC in Caps at the end of it. 203 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,000 I shouldn't have told you that, and I should I. 204 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,000 No way, but it only works when it's coming from me. 205 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,000 Okay, right. 206 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,000 And then it will automatically label it as something for the source code. 207 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000 And it'll file it away. 208 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,000 And of course, it won't send it back to me. 209 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,000 And, and everything else just gets forwarded. 210 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:22,000 So now, as I, you know, kind of get reused to the a new way of reading email. 211 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,000 And, you know, and being reintroduced to some of the mailing lists, 212 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,000 I'm on that probably just sitting in in folders or our label, 213 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,000 then not in my inbox. 214 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,000 And I rarely have time to go through or, you know, once in a blue moon. 215 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,000 So like the podcasters mailing list. 216 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,000 And I'm reading that again. 217 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,000 And it's, it's really fast, you know, it's, it's, it's actually, 218 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,000 maybe even depending on your connectivity. 219 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,000 It's maybe even be a little bit faster than Gmail itself. 220 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,000 And a great advantage is, even if you run out of space, 221 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,000 because when you hit 100% on your Gmail quota, you can't send email. 222 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,000 You can, of course, still sends something from the blackberry. 223 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,000 And it will actually put the, the blind carbon copy into the Gmail account, 224 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,000 even though you're at 100% because I think you can go up to like 105 or 110%. 225 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,000 But I've got, I mean, if anyone at Google is listening anybody, 226 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Foo bar boy is the account, 227 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,000 F-O-O-B-A-R-B-O-Y. 228 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,000 I'm excuse me, that would be Fox Trot, Oscar, 229 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:20,000 Bravo, Alpha Romeo, Bravo, Oscar Yankee. 230 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,000 Give me, give me like two more gigs, please. 231 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,000 I won't tell anyone, I'll just, you know, 232 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,000 you would make my life so much better. 233 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,000 It would be so nice. 234 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,000 So that's the, the setup there. 235 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,000 I'm, I'm digging it. 236 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,000 I, I, I never thought I would say it, 237 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,000 but it's a great device. 238 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,000 I like it very, very much. 239 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Y'all, let's send a hint to hit test in, 240 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,000 so we'll definitely be rolling that one out today. 241 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,000 I still have a mashup. 242 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,000 I got this whole CD of like 100 different mashups from, 243 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,000 somebody I met yesterday. 244 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000 And I'll, I'll tell you about that later. 245 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,000 But first, the, the Sincel stuff. 246 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,000 For some reason, I've gotten a whole slew of emails 247 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,000 about the Sincel sound, 248 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000 advertising experiment. 249 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,000 So, if you're new, 250 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,000 to the daily source code, 251 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,000 and those of you who who already have done this, 252 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,000 you might want to skip ahead and not listen to it. 253 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,000 Because this is some mind programming that, 254 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,000 that is, it will appears to be reasonably permanent. 255 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,000 So the whole concept is, you're driving right now, 256 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,000 or you're walking, or maybe you're just sitting in the, 257 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,000 on the couch and a living room, 258 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 wherever you are, pick a spot right now. 259 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Just look at that spot. 260 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,000 It's an object, probably. 261 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,000 And when I'm going to say Sincel. 262 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,000 So every single time you see that object, 263 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,000 you will not be able to help yourself, 264 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,000 but to think of Sincel. 265 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,000 What's interesting, and I get a lot of emails, 266 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,000 is that it also works in the reverse. 267 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,000 When I talk about Sincel, 268 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,000 someone who might have picked, for instance, 269 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,000 a tree, or a particular road sign, 270 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,000 will actually think of the road sign. 271 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,000 So it seems to be a, a two way street. 272 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,000 It's something about this though, 273 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,000 that it's a little bit disturbing, 274 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,000 because I don't know how to undo it. 275 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,000 It appears to be irreversible. 276 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,000 And, and I'm getting lots of email 277 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,000 of people saying, you know, 278 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000 and it doesn't bother them that much, 279 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,000 but they cannot stop thinking of the Sincel, 280 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,000 whenever they see their special object. 281 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,000 And I'm like, there's got this, 282 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000 and where are the psychologists out there? 283 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,000 You know, this has got to be, 284 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,000 some kind of very simple, 285 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,000 and that's a college. 286 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,000 This is like, this is like neural, 287 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,000 neural network programming in some regard. 288 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,000 It's really, it's a really easy way to, 289 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,000 to do it. 290 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,000 And I'm not quite sure what we're going to take this, 291 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,000 but I'm just waiting for the first, 292 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,000 for the first advertiser to think, 293 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,000 this is a really good way to, 294 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,000 to do something to associate their product with, 295 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,000 you know, 296 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,000 anything that people want to associate it with, 297 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,000 but just the message keeps on coming back. 298 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,000 We just run through a couple of, 299 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,000 a couple of emails here about the, 300 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,000 about the Sincel, 301 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,000 the soundvertising experiment. 302 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,000 So we have Brendan Cops, 303 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,000 says I get the reverse. 304 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000 I don't think of Sincel every time I pass, 305 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,000 the fire hydrant that I picked as my object, 306 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,000 but I do think of the fire hydrant every time I hear Sincel, 307 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,000 and here it comes. 308 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 I was listening to Dawn and Drew the other day, 309 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 and they mentioned Sincel when Dawn Belts, 310 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,000 which used to be my anchor for the Sincel. 311 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,000 First thing I thought of was the fire hydrant. 312 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Oh, fantastic. 313 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,000 Let's see, 314 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,080 Let's see, what's this next one here? 315 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,720 This is from Sasha. 316 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:26,560 I was running on Interstate 94 from Minneapolis to St. Paul to attend one of my university 317 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,360 classes while I was listening to your podcast, telling us to look at something outside 318 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:32,720 or window and things and say, oh, you wanted to see if each time we said the same thing, 319 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:37,200 do we think St. Sayo? Fuck yes. I happen to look at an overpass. Now every time I see it overpass, 320 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:42,600 I think St. Sayo whenever I see any overpass, I suddenly want coffee. I just need to get one of 321 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:47,160 those damn St. Sayo machines. Yeah, they don't, the St. Sayo machines aren't that readily available. 322 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:54,520 I don't think in the United States. So you can order one through my weblog at www.curry.com. 323 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:59,640 Same goes for South Africa where the sound advertising experiment is working Paul says the same thing. 324 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,400 Don't have a, don't have a recall ever seeing it St. Sayo machine in South Africa, 325 00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:08,280 but it's working well. He picked a cell phone tower. 326 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:17,080 It's fantastic. So let me, yeah. I got to get one. I got to have one sent over to you know, 327 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,720 where's Frick and JC pennies? They were supposed to contact me by yes. So that's another thing 328 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:26,200 I got to put on the list. I need my stuff. I'm still eating off a paper plates. This is ridiculous. 329 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:36,040 Okay. Yesterday we had a little conversation about the 330 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:43,640 listing or not listing of a racist podcast in the indie potter.org directory. 331 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:50,120 And we, you know, I kind of looked at it from all angles. And there's so much response. Thank you all so 332 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:57,240 much for for sending in your thoughts and your comments. And I would have to say that except for one email 333 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:06,040 out of easily 60 or 70. And that one email suggested or actually said, hey, look, you know, 334 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:10,040 indie potter.org is, you know, it's a private organization, it's not a government thing. 335 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:17,080 You can do it as you like. And that's not, you know, that's your prerogative. Then I agree. 336 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:23,800 But the other 99.9% of the emails all said, you know, indie potter.org is 337 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:32,200 such an important resource for all things podcasting that even though the podcast and question 338 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:39,000 discuss them, even though they, you know, well, just no, no one said, hey, I like that podcast, 339 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:45,560 right? That would make sense. I guess the no one wants to, it removed. No one wants the listing 340 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:51,000 removed from the, from the category, from the politics category. No one wants the politics category 341 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:58,280 altered. And they all feel that free speech is much more important and probably by not trying to 342 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:04,120 cover it up, it'll, you know, keep it out in the open. Yeah, excuse me. Keep it out in the open. 343 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:10,520 And leave the issues out there. Don't try to turn your back and look the other way. And that is proved 344 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:17,000 not a very good idea in, in past history. Interesting idea was to set up a 345 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:24,120 hate and racism node on the directory and put all, I'm put it in there. I don't know. 346 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,600 But it did, it did really strike me. There goes the jackhammer again outside. It did really strike 347 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:37,320 me that people view indie potter.org as a really big community resource. And they want everything 348 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:43,640 listed in there and don't think anything should be pulled out. So how to chat yesterday with a 349 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,320 couple of folks at Pod Show and everyone agrees. That's the way to do it. So we're going to leave 350 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:56,440 it at that. And probably we should all focus our energy on, you know, trying to stop hate and trying 351 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:02,920 to stop racism and, and educating our kids and our friends and our neighbors and that that's a 352 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:07,480 much, much better way than to just say, oh, it doesn't exist. And by the way, you know, really to 353 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,880 the block free speech, we'd have to make it, you know, have to stop them from being from talking. 354 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,920 And, you know, that is, that's, we're not doing that. This is just not publicizing something or 355 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,080 or it is publicizing something. So we're going to leave it in. We're going to leave the 356 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,320 know the way it is. And I really appreciate everyone for sending in all the comments. I did make 357 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:32,200 a big mistake, though. I said that I had to receive that rather unfriendly email from Podcast 358 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:37,560 shuffle. Well, let me just get to the, yeah, I haven't gotten so, of course, receive several emails 359 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:44,520 about that because I totally screwed it up. It was not the, the podcast shuffle. Let's see. 360 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,080 Okay, so I've discovered now that my email system is not working the way I'd like it to 361 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:58,360 because everything that I forward comes into my daily source code folder as coming from me. 362 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,920 So that's not very handy. Let me go to the comments on curry.com. 363 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,880 Damn, are we already into, are we even like, oh, it's 22 minutes already with the hell of 364 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:15,880 I've been doing. Okay, here we go. Scrolling down. Oh, man. 365 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:27,480 Okay, so it was not the podcast shuffle. It was, it doesn't really even matter who it was. 366 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:33,320 But it was not the podcast shuffle who threatened to call me out if I didn't do anything 367 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:39,240 about the, the code situation. That doesn't matter. I do apologize now. That was, that was unintended. 368 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:44,440 That's just another bit of information overload and confusion. But it's even worse, though, 369 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:50,920 as I did look at the RSS feed for this particular podcast. It was clearly someone who would just 370 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:58,040 throw an RSS feed together and it copied and pasted someone else's RSS feed to get the right 371 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:05,320 elements in there, which is, that's a pretty standard, standard way of working, I guess, for newbies 372 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,160 who don't know how to, you know, are doing it with a, with a text or a note pad editor or something. 373 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,760 Unfortunately, in this particular podcast, I, I noticed this, I knew exactly what had happened 374 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:21,480 when I saw it. It was copied from the podcast for one one podcast and I know Rob has nothing to 375 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,920 do with these guys. And then so you can imagine how freaked out he is about this. He actually sent 376 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:32,360 an audio comment about this very topic. And this is Rob from podcast for one one. I just want to thank 377 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:37,960 you for letting me clarify this situation a little bit on your Wednesday, 20th first show. You mentioned 378 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:44,200 a podcast and you were talking about this podcast with regards to freedom of speech and this was 379 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,760 a white supremacy podcast and I'm not going to mention their name. I don't want to give them any 380 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:54,120 more PR. Earlier this week, getting of the week, I received an email from one of my listeners who 381 00:23:54,120 --> 00:24:00,520 happened to come across this podcast and to let me know that my email address was listed under 382 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:06,200 their web manager. I want to let everybody know, I have absolutely nothing to do with this podcast. 383 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:12,280 I have never talked with them. I have never consulted with them. I have absolutely zero relationship 384 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,960 with this podcast nor would I ever have any relationship with this podcast. Once this was brought 385 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:23,320 to my attention, I have sent multiple emails to them now asking that my email address be removed 386 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,120 from the web manager. Hopefully, this will be rectified shortly. As you know, Adam, I have 387 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:33,800 tutorial on my site that teaches you how to create an RSS feed. That tutorial has been accessed 388 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:39,720 tens of thousands of times. And unfortunately, one of those times apparently was by this podcast 389 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:47,000 in question, and they copied and pasted out the demo tutorial I have and in doing so copied 390 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:52,040 out my email address and put that in there. Again, I have absolutely nothing to do with this podcast 391 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:58,520 nor would I as a point of reference. In my bio picture, I send out is a picture from my visit to Israel 392 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,960 two years ago, which was one of the best visits I've ever had. I love Israel and the people in 393 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,280 Israel. And one of my favorite podcasts is the view from here, which by the way, if you'll as 394 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:12,680 soon as I haven't checked out, please check out the view from here. Harry and Zeva do a wonderful job. 395 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:20,600 So again, Adam, thank you for letting me clear the record here. I have nothing and want nothing 396 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:25,800 to do with that podcast and have asked that my email address be removed from their feed. Thanks, Adam. 397 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:32,200 Okay, Rob. And thank you for clarifying not that it needed clarification from where I stand, 398 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:37,640 obviously, but that does really suck. Oh, man, that's horrible. Oh, no, I forgot the turn. 399 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,200 I chatted off. And of course, I immediately, you know, there's too many ways to get to me. There's 400 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:48,520 too many incoming subspace signals as Rev Tim was say. Okay, and it's definite. I've totally decided 401 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:55,640 now the studio A to the Audi A8. I'm getting rid of it at the end of the year. Actually, it was a 402 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,880 company least that I from one of my companies in the Netherlands still has Dutch plates on it, 403 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:05,320 even if you can go figure that. So the least will be up and I'm not renewing it, getting rid of it, 404 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,560 because this car is way overqualified for the mission. I don't care about cars anymore. I've had 405 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,720 every single stupid car you can imagine, except a Ferrari. I've never owned a Ferrari, but I've had 406 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:19,640 roses, I've had porches, I've had clunkers, I've had, you know, you name it, I've probably had it at 407 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,760 one point in time, even if I couldn't afford it, because I've always loved, you know, wow, we're all 408 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:30,280 behind the different cars, but I kind of give up on it and I really like the car service, the 409 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:36,440 cab service that we use in Guilford, which is GM cars. In case you're in Guilford and looking for a 410 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,680 good car service, tell a Mr. Mrs. Curry sent you. You know, they're very trustworthy and those are 411 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:47,160 just great guys. So we use the car service most of the time, but once in a while, you need to 412 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,920 go somewhere or have your own wheels under your own control, so we do need a car. And I've decided 413 00:26:53,080 --> 00:27:00,040 it's definitely definitely definitely going to be a diesel, and I want, and over the course of the 414 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:05,400 past four or five weeks, maybe even longer, we'd talk about the concept of biodiesel. This is not 415 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:11,400 ethanol or anything like that. This is pure oil from different sources that you can make a diesel 416 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:17,960 engine run on. Garrett was nice enough to send me an email about some article about this guy in the 417 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:24,440 UK who bought a really kind of like a what a pleasure wasn't it? Yeah, a pleasure to owe five 418 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:33,480 diesel, and he figured out how to create a biodiesel from on the second, from the chip shop. 419 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:44,040 Yes, that would be from the, the used up, I guess French right, Greece. And it cost him a total 420 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:51,480 of 50 cents a liter. So that would be about a buck 50 a gallon, I guess. I'm just doing rough estimates here. 421 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,280 He says it costs about a thousand dollars a year through on his car, which of course depends on, 422 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:01,480 you know, how far he's, how far he's driving. We made a little processor in this shed from 423 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:07,400 from an old heating boiler, and he says that the the waste vegetable oil that he gets from the 424 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,520 kebab van. So these are vans that drive from bacon up kebab. They're so happy with him. They actually 425 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:19,080 drop it off at his house. And I would like to do a project like this because, you know, if I don't 426 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:25,240 have to use oil from the pump and I can make it, I mean, it's more about the principle of it than 427 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:30,280 the actual price, but I want to do this. So if you know which car I should get, so I do want to 428 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:37,720 luxury car, and I want it to be a nice vehicle, you know, that can kind of conceit, well, it has to 429 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:44,440 have back seats. That's, that's a must. And something that, and now, lots of people send me 430 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,680 different information about that, you know, these newer diesel engines can or can't handle that. 431 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,680 And, you know, there's got to be so many who has the definitive answer. I just want an example. 432 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,520 Give me an example of a car you have that is running on vegetable oil, and I'm going to go get it, 433 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,520 and I'm going to make my own goddamn vegetable oil. I'm going to run it on it, and we'll make 434 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,720 that a project that will, that will be doing together. How does that sound? So yesterday at the 435 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:12,840 Pod Show offices, I met up with Christina, or actually Christy, as she goes, she's a publicist, 436 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:18,040 here in San Francisco. We're talking about working together, and she's a big fan of podcasting 437 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:23,480 and pod safe music, and she handed me a CD, and she said, well, this is a guy who doesn't really 438 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:30,200 want to be known, and the CD just said boots on it. That's all it said. 113 different mixes and 439 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,480 mash-ups. I kind of like this one as I was spitting them all last night here at the condo. 440 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,200 It's the dreadlock child on the source code, 244. 441 00:29:53,750 --> 00:30:42,760 [ Music ] 442 00:30:42,760 --> 00:31:12,760 I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I wear it, I 443 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:24,760 wear it, I wear it, I say, you know, no no, no, you don't know, now, talk about this, whatever. 444 00:31:24,760 --> 00:32:50,760 [ Music ] 445 00:32:50,760 --> 00:33:14,440 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, go get that, like that,IIin, flavorful Scoop bloody 446 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,440 There is no such thing. 447 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,440 Now there is the appeal. 448 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:34,440 Lindy's blues cast brings in the best blues music in the world. 449 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:47,440 Is it acoustic or electronic? 450 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:55,440 Or electronic? 451 00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:01,440 Lindy's blues cast brings in the best blues. 452 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:09,440 Rightly influenced in RSS feed 50g on top. 453 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:17,440 Lindy's podcast called Rockspot.com 454 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,440 That's Lindy's blues cast from Germany. 455 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,440 Lindy's blues cast.blogspot.com. 456 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,440 And I play that because I often get emails. 457 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,440 People say, hey, you know, the source code makes it sound like podcasting. 458 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,440 It's a US thing only and there's lots of podcasts all over the place. 459 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,440 A global concept. 460 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,440 Of course it is. 461 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,440 But I rarely play a promo in a different language. 462 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,440 I think you kind of get the gist of that one, right? 463 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,440 That was easy enough if you don't speak German. 464 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:48,440 But let me tell you, my theory on why podcasting is so incredibly huge in the United States. 465 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:53,440 And it doesn't seem to be catching on as fast with the same, 466 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,440 a mine, you know, same in scenery speed as in the US. 467 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,440 And that is, and it's my theory only. 468 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,440 But I think it's right is because listening has sucked. 469 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,440 It started to suck in the United States. 470 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,440 The radio is the problem. 471 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,440 This thing, this podcasting that we're all, you know, 472 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,440 freaking out about and having so much fun with is driven by listener demand. 473 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,440 Because the radio in the United States became this, 474 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,440 you know, that's what cruise box is singing about. 475 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,440 It became this homogenized, marketed, playlisted, scripted, you know, 476 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,440 tight, formatted thing. 477 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,440 And no matter where you go anywhere in the United States, 478 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,440 you turn on the radio and you have your formats. 479 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,440 Now the most exciting format is the Jack format, 480 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,440 which is pretty much someone putting their iPod on shuffle 481 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,440 and plugging it into a transmitter. 482 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,440 But then there's the, you know, the WLTW light FM. 483 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,440 You know, there's that station. 484 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,440 There's the rocket flight drone. 485 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,440 See you 100. 486 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,440 And then, of course, there's the news back to you, Bob. 487 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,440 And no matter where you go, it's the same. 488 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,440 And this is one of the things we talked about the very, very beginning of podcasting 489 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,440 before we had the word podcasting, 490 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,440 is that all those voices are fake. 491 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,440 That's, you know, those are all broadcast voices. 492 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,440 And, you know, it's, it's part of a machine. 493 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,440 That's okay. 494 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,440 It's not a problem. 495 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,440 But there's almost no even public radio 496 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,440 doesn't do us justice anymore. 497 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:19,440 And it's the same. 498 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,440 It's actually, it's the, you have the NPR voices. 499 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,440 So I think that's part of what the excitement is about. 500 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,440 It's just all this fresh new voices, people talking like real people 501 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,440 with all the warts and all the ugliness hanging off of the shows. 502 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,440 It's, it's a human thing. 503 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,440 And maybe we're just, you know, maybe it's just time for it. 504 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,440 Maybe our brains have been overloaded. 505 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,440 Now in many other countries, radio doesn't suck as bad. 506 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,440 The UK, for instance, 507 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,440 was a very nice, you know, community of podcasters. 508 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,440 I believe that the, of course, I missed it because I was here. 509 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,440 It was the podcast con UK. 510 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,440 It was very, very successful. 511 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,440 I know they had well over 100 podcasters come to the convention. 512 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,440 You know, that was, it was a big success. 513 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,440 But it's not, you know, it's not the same rampantness 514 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,440 that we see here in the States. 515 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,440 And that's because the BBC doesn't suck. 516 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,440 They do great stuff. 517 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:17,440 And even though they, they do have the, you know, the radio voices, 518 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,440 they're just so much more creative in what they're doing with radio. 519 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,440 And it's not all the same. 520 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,440 And also, you know, there are those, of course, 521 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,440 there's the time shifting element that's a part of podcasting, 522 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,440 which is very exciting. 523 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,440 So if there's a show that you like on the radio, 524 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,440 nothing wrong with it. 525 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,440 And it doesn't have to suck. 526 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,440 And now you can listen to it whenever you want to. 527 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,440 So that's all good news. 528 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,440 Germany, same way. 529 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,440 You know, the rate well. 530 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,440 I don't know. I think that some parts of Germany, 531 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,440 I am seeing a little blip of podcasting. 532 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,440 Oh, man, someone sent me a Google map. 533 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,440 I'll have to look for that in Gmail. 534 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,440 Someone sent me a Google map, which listed, 535 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,440 which showed by geography where the podcasters are. 536 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,440 And it really gives you a good idea. 537 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,440 And if you know anything about, about traditional terrestrial broadcast radio, 538 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,440 you'll know that most of those countries, the radio really sucks. 539 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,440 So it's a listener demand thing. 540 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,440 This is different from web logs. 541 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,440 The inherent desire and opportunity to publish for free, 542 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,440 so that everybody can read you and read your opinion. 543 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,440 Yes, of course. 544 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,440 People are opinionated on podcasts and are passionate about topics 545 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,440 that hear nothing about on the radio. 546 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,440 And that's why they're making them. 547 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,440 The reason why people are listening is because it's just bad. 548 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,440 Go ahead, turn on the radio. 549 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,440 Tell me it isn't different. 550 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,440 Any market you go to. 551 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,440 Tell me your radio station is different. 552 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,440 Well, it's there, probably, but it really is in the minority. 553 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,440 And here in the States, we have such wonderful inventions 554 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,440 that we can talk about in podcasting, such as wrestling. 555 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,440 Yes. 556 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,440 Am I on? 557 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,440 Hi Adam, this is wiggly. 558 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,440 Yeah, I am. 559 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,440 No, it's not. 560 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,440 Well, yeah, it is. 561 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,440 It's really wiggly, but I don't really talk like... 562 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,440 Open mind. 563 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,440 Hi Adam and Adam's listeners and me, 564 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,440 because I listen to Adam. 565 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,440 Hi Adam. 566 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,440 This is wiggly. 567 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,440 My buddy, Joe and I might let me start over. 568 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,440 This is going to be terrible to edit. 569 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,440 This is now snow. 570 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,440 This is sweet and sour, Larry. 571 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,440 We need to visit this one for now. 572 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,440 And you're looking at your smart, wrestling fan.com. 573 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,440 Hi Adam, this is wiggly. 574 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,440 My buddy, Joe and I have a little podcast called 575 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,440 smart, wrestling fan, wrestling review show. 576 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,440 For smart, wrestlingfan.com, 577 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,440 now each week we review pro style wrestling, 578 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,440 we see on television, paper views, 579 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:49,440 or live in in person. 580 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,440 Like the WWE, ECW, TNA, ring of honor, 581 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,440 Chikara, independent wrestling, pro wrestling, 582 00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,440 Pupu. 583 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,440 Mud wrestling. 584 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,440 Well, we don't get egg. 585 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,440 Any other type of wrestling? 586 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,440 Found wrestling. 587 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,440 No, we don't. 588 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,440 She listens to his show, because sometimes it's funny. 589 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,440 Now 80% of the people I listen to are show, 590 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,440 have stopped watching wrestling a long time ago, 591 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,440 because they thought the storylines absolutely stunk. 592 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,440 And then people that love wrestling listen to our show, 593 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,440 people that are wrestlers listen to our show, 594 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,440 and people that are necreative for wrestling listen to our show. 595 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,440 And hey, new, with Zach Arnold, Zach Arnold, 596 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,440 from poororesselpower.com. 597 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:47,440 Runs down his Japan news report. 598 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,440 And all the music that you hear in a show is all original. 599 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,440 Either I've written it, or it's performed by my group, Rep. 600 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,440 Now, I know what you might be thinking. 601 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,440 I'm hungry. 602 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,440 Well, you can always get a sandwich. 603 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,440 You can also listen to our show while you eat your sandwich. 604 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,440 So that's good, you know? 605 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,440 And that's what we try to do. 606 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,440 We try to bring out what's good in this world, 607 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,440 through a weekly, pro, style, wrestling, review show. 608 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,440 I hope you like me, bye-bye. 609 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,440 I like you. 610 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,440 I like that show for the pod-safe music, 611 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,440 some interesting tunes on there. 612 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,440 If you haven't done so already, 613 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,440 definitely check out the pod-safe music network. 614 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,440 It's where podcasters pick up pod-safe music 615 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,440 to play on there on that podcast, 616 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,440 and you can see what the most popular and most played shows are. 617 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,440 Most played, well, also shows with most played songs. 618 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,440 And you welcome there as a podcaster, as an artist, or as a listener. 619 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,440 All on the pod-safe music network at music.pod-show.com. 620 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,440 Now it's going to say something really cool, 621 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,440 but of course I forgot immediately what I was going to talk about. 622 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,440 Oh yes, I know. 623 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,440 It's good to have Yonpalette back in the house. 624 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,440 Oh, I'm counting casting with Adam Curry. 625 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,440 I suppose you think you know everybody was like, 626 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,440 yeah, what do you think you're doing? 627 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,440 The artist. 628 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,440 Yonpalette with Yonpalette. 629 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,440 Hey Adam, I'm back from New York City. 630 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,440 I'm still a bit jet-lect, 631 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,440 but I do have a hit test for you. 632 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,440 Still from the notebook. 633 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,440 I haven't had the time to gear up everything that's here in the studio, 634 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,440 so one last time I guess with the notebook. 635 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,440 Three intros and three answers, and this is number one. 636 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,440 I know that one. 637 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,440 The illustrious in excess need you tonight. 638 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,440 Hope you make it harder for me, Yonpalette. 639 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,440 And number two. 640 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,440 Oh, I love that job. 641 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,440 I think I think that's the raw band with clouds across the moon. 642 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,440 I'm not sure, but big one hit wonder. 643 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,440 And the final one is number three. 644 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,440 I'd recognize that opening for that simply red holding back the years. 645 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,440 I think I've got three for three here in this time. 646 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,440 And times up. 647 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,440 And these are the answers. 648 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,440 This is answer number one in hit test number 59. 649 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,440 Oh yeah. 650 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:24,440 It's in excess. 651 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,440 This is an idiot tonight. 652 00:43:28,750 --> 00:44:04,440 [ Music ] 653 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,440 And it's clear the involvement. 654 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,440 I've got to let you know. 655 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,440 You want to make it. 656 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,440 And so number one in excess. 657 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,440 And this is answer number two. 658 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,440 Oh, shit. 659 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,440 Now it's wrong. 660 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,440 Same opening. 661 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,440 It's Lisa's dance field. 662 00:44:28,750 --> 00:45:03,440 [ Music ] 663 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,440 I don't need to know. 664 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,440 Answer number two. 665 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,440 Lisa's dance field. 666 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,440 Oh, around the world. 667 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,440 And this is the third and final answer in today's hit test. 668 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,440 It's simply red holding back the years. 669 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:26,440 Holding back the years. 670 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,440 Thinking of the real test so long. 671 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:46,440 [ Music ] 672 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:55,440 I'll keep holding on. 673 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,440 I'll keep holding on. 674 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,440 The third answer today's hit test. 675 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,440 It's number 59 holding back the years. 676 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,440 Simply red in today's hit test. 677 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,440 Well, that's it. 678 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:16,440 I'm gonna try to connect everything to, I guess, cast lasted to record the next one with all the gear and the professional Mike here at help. 679 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:23,440 As always, feedback is welcome at hittest.gmail.com and you can find info about this hittest. 680 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,440 And hit this podcast. 681 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,440 And of course, all the info on the blog. 682 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,440 Let's come J and P-O-L-E-T.com. 683 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,440 Well, thank you for listening. 684 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:40,440 See you for hittest number 60 with more higher, bigger, greater production values. 685 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,440 If I do have anything to do with it. 686 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,440 So until then, bye-bye. 687 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,440 Okay, thank you very much. 688 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,440 I kind of like the new format. 689 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,440 It seems like you're playing more of the song. 690 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,440 It's nice. 691 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:57,440 It's usually, I just, you know, I get right into the song and the hook and the chorus and then you're onto the next answer. 692 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,440 Okay, two for three today. 693 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,440 I could have sworn it was the raw band. 694 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,440 Clouds across the moon. 695 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,440 Do I have that song? 696 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,440 I don't want you to hear what I'm talking about if I have it. 697 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:11,440 Now that I have iTunes back, I'm actually sometimes able to find my music. 698 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:16,440 Let me see clouds, search on clouds. 699 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:17,440 Yes, okay. 700 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:25,440 Tell me if this, if the first couple of notes here aren't exactly the same as Lisa Stanfield. 701 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,440 Check this out. 702 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,440 Well, you have to get through this piece first, right? 703 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,440 Shit, doesn't sound like it at all, does it? 704 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,440 But I do love this song. 705 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,440 Check out the drum. 706 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:41,440 Check it out when it kicks in. 707 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,440 Yeah, no, no, no. 708 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,440 I'm trying to reach like among the people. 709 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,440 This is right. 710 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:52,440 I just want you to hear the drum's cape in. 711 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,440 Check it out. 712 00:47:53,440 --> 00:48:00,440 I kind of reminds me of Patricia and I. 713 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:07,440 You've got to listen to it song, Rob and Clouds across the moon. 714 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:13,440 You know, as a final thought for today is we're talking about show notes yesterday. 715 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,440 And I tell you that show notes are very difficult to maintain. 716 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,440 Because invariably, I put in a wrong link or someone sends in a whole bunch of information 717 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,440 about a topic that I discussed that they know much more about. 718 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,440 And, you know, it's hard to maintain that. 719 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,440 It's really, it's a full-time job if you want to do it right. 720 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,440 And I've never really done it right. 721 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,440 You know, so you have kind of the way, you know, you have your prep. 722 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,440 But then you have, which is nice to have it all lined up. 723 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,440 But then really adding all that feedback in there is a complicated task. 724 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,440 I got a whole bunch of suggestions. 725 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,440 A lot of offers of people who wanted to help me do show notes. 726 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,440 But there's really much better way to do it. 727 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,440 And it didn't hit me until a two people emailed me this. 728 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,440 Why not use a wiki? 729 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,440 Now, if you don't know what a wiki is, check out wikipedia.org. 730 00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:58,440 You'll see. 731 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,440 It's basically a collaborative writing environment. 732 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:06,440 And the thought here is that the show notes are put together by the listeners. 733 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:13,440 Now, there's several hundred thousand people who listen to the daily source code on a regular basis. 734 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,440 That's a really amazing number. 735 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:22,440 And, you know, within that audience, clearly there's people who know just shit loads more about what I'm talking about. 736 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:32,440 And also, I'm skipping over so many different pieces of feedback that come through email on the biodiesel stuff on the sound advertising stuff. 737 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:38,440 And, you know, and I look at Don and Drew and they have a forum where you can provide feedback. 738 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,440 It's very, very active. 739 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:40,440 So it makes a lot of sense. 740 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,440 I think, though, that for the source code, I'd like to try this. 741 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,440 I'd like to have a wiki. 742 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,440 And so, basically, with each show, I'll just provide a URL. 743 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,440 They'll say show notes over here, right? 744 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:57,440 And then, whoever has information about what's been on the show in the rundown. 745 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,440 Well, you know, you'll just figure it out because it's a collaborative environment. 746 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,440 I can go in there myself and actually add some of the information to the show notes. 747 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:11,440 So, but, you know, it'd be much more kind of a process that would evolve over time, 748 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,440 which will get indexed by great search engines. 749 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,440 And, of course, the question is, you know, how do we fit OPML into all of this? 750 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,440 I haven't quite figured that one out yet. 751 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:25,440 But then, over time, actually, the richness of the information that's provided with this podcast, 752 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,440 particularly for people who are searching for something, 753 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,440 will, you know, will become available. 754 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,440 There'll be more of it. 755 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,440 So, of course, the first thing I need is a wiki. 756 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,440 I have no wiki expert. 757 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:37,440 I don't know how to set it up. 758 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,440 I've not looked at it at all. 759 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,440 So, if you're still inclined to set something up, I'll link to it. 760 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,440 And let's give this a try. 761 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:50,440 Let's test that out for a couple of shows and see how it works and see if people want to collaborate on the show notes. 762 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,440 And this could be lucrative for you, by the way. 763 00:50:53,440 --> 00:51:01,440 For example, with the hit test, by providing the answers, you could put links into iTunes for the tracks to be purchased directly. 764 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,440 And it could be your affiliate link. 765 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:08,440 So, you know, I'm hoping that I'm, you know, by saying this, I'm not creating a huge spam opportunity. 766 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,440 But let's see, let's see what happens. 767 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,440 So, that's the call to use source code listeners. 768 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,440 I still have some stuff to do for a serious satellite radio, 769 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,440 which we're going to talk about tomorrow because there's some exciting news going on there. 770 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,440 And yeah, I think there's, there's an office here, isn't there? 771 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,440 Yeah, there's, there's an office that I need to go to. 772 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,440 Oh, and a final thought for the day. 773 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,440 My God, I can't believe how long I'm talking. 774 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:37,440 Final thought for the day is that podcasting has such an extra benefit for me, 775 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,440 because we have a company now. 776 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,440 We're working, probably, we have 20 people who are employed, 777 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,440 yeah, things like 20 people who are employed by us directly. 778 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,440 And most of them have a podcast. 779 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,440 And so, even though I'm not in the office all the time, 780 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,440 I know a hell of a lot about what's going on, 781 00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,440 because if you listen to the daily download, Chris Rockwell is talking about lots of pod show, 782 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,440 things that have happened at pod show. 783 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:08,440 Of course, things he talks about are more cultural to the organization than business. 784 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,440 But it's funny, and it's great. 785 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,440 And yeah, the sue, the super extra heroes, 786 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,440 spider-man action show. 787 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,440 I can never get that one right. 788 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,440 And yes, you really get a vibe of the people that you're working with. 789 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,440 And then I know the much more intimately than I would have, 790 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,440 if they didn't have podcasts. 791 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,440 I was listening to an old podcast by Andrew Grummit, 792 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,440 which before, that was a pre, 793 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,440 we should have a BC, it should be, 794 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:40,440 because before podcast name, so it would be BP. 795 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,440 Well, maybe BP, we call that BP, before podcast name. 796 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,440 Andrew Grummit was, because he was one of the first developers 797 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,440 that jump on and create, I Potter Lemon, 798 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,440 and built a virtual team around that product, 799 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,440 which just by the way came out with two new releases 800 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,440 for both Mac and Windows. 801 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,440 And we're working with Andrew on stuff, 802 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,440 and just hearing him talk and his thoughts, 803 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,440 then really gave me a whole bunch of insight 804 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,440 as to how we're working together now. 805 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,440 And it's a real family vibe, and it's working, 806 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,440 and it's very, very cool. 807 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,440 And it's not something that every company can do, 808 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,440 but I think a lot of companies could benefit hugely, 809 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,440 hugely if you could just tap into kind of, 810 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,440 thought processes from other people in the organization. 811 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,440 All right, with that said, I got to get out of here. 812 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,440 I'm way over my time. 813 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,440 I hope you stuck through all this, 814 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,440 and I will be back for the thank God, 815 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,440 it's Friday edition of the Source Code. 816 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:35,440 That'll be tomorrow, bye, bye. 817 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,440 Another pod show pod guest, 818 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,440 stick it in your ear.