1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Delta Sierra Charlie 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Two 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Seven 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Six 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,000 There are no secrets 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,000 I 7 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Intermediate you 8 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Don't be a liar 9 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Adam Curry 10 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,000 For $16 million worth of airplane 11 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,000 Strap to my ass 12 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,000 Done the next generation radio content in my ears 13 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,000 You don't need us 14 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Thinking crazy 15 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,000 I like to think I'm flying 16 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,000 You should be sure 17 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 I'm guessing 18 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,000 It's a battle curry 19 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,000 Good morning everybody 20 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,000 Coming to you from Curry Cottage 21 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,000 In the affluent Surrey Subherpa 22 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,000 Kilford 23 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 It is your daily source code 24 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,000 276 25 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,000 odd father and transit 26 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Only back in the cottage for about 27 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,000 20 hours 28 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Then I'm off to Los Angeles 29 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,000 For the expo 30 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,000 We're talking about that about pot save music 31 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,000 On some other stuff 32 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,000 I'm sure we'll conjure up 33 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,000 It's Wednesday 34 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,000 It's Wednesday 35 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,000 It's Wednesday 36 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Stepped out of my doorstep 37 00:01:01,250 --> 00:04:40,000 [ Music ] 38 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Not it, whoa 39 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,000 Not it, whoa 40 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000 Not it, whoa 41 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,000 Not another one, no, in all 42 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Not it, whoa 43 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,360 When's the morning? You can find that on the pod save music. 44 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,080 Connect, we're going to music.podshow.com. 45 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:58,200 Well, good morning, everybody. 46 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,960 Coming to you from from the curry cottage. 47 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,720 Boy, what a what a whirlwind trip I had the past two days. 48 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,840 Oh, I hear all kinds of hum and stuff here. 49 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:08,880 What the hell was going on? 50 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,600 I have to. I slept in microphone, I think. 51 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,920 Oh, so I'm sorry about yesterday's show. 52 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,240 The travel schedule and the meetings and oh, man, 53 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:19,080 everything was messed up. 54 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:24,360 But for those of you just joining the daily source code wondering what I'm talking about, 55 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:29,960 I received a couple messages two days ago that the record industry and also the broadcast 56 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:35,400 industry in in the Netherlands and more than likely in other countries in Europe 57 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,960 were banding together and are going to put their foot down on licensed music being played 58 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,640 on podcast. 59 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:47,320 And so I had an opportunity to go talk to a couple of European parliament members about 60 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,000 this. So I jetted off. 61 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,760 Now, the European parliament is kind of divided between Brussels and Luxembourg. 62 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,520 And it's supposed to be like one month or in Brussels, the next month or in Luxembourg, 63 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:57,720 it could be longer than a month. 64 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,440 But pretty much they're divided and people are all over the place. 65 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:05,240 And I guess some of those parliament members have a banking business in Luxembourg 66 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,480 that look down there as well. 67 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,920 And I really was really wanted to go there and talk to some people. 68 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,840 Well, for two reasons, one, I wanted to find out what what the general consensus was, 69 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:21,560 what the thought was, there is different thinking in Europe about things like patents, 70 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:28,680 although laws are now being put up and past that may or may not be what everyone would like 71 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,240 who deals with patents. 72 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,640 There's a lot of copyright issues that are being discussed and directives are being created. 73 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,160 And so he was a great opportunity for me to go and talk to some folks about it. 74 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,320 And certainly did. 75 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,240 The other part, of course, was G's. 76 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,800 Is there no way we can find that we can kind of use some kind of, 77 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,720 you know, I'll be honest about it. 78 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,520 If I can use political leverage to turn around in our advantage, I'll do that. 79 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,800 Because isn't there some way we can figure this out. 80 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,880 But essentially, here's what it boils down to. 81 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:08,520 Using licensed music on podcast will only work if a form of DRM is implemented, 82 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,840 so that after a certain amount of time, the show, the show that you created, 83 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,760 basically dries up and goes away. 84 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,480 And by the way, I have to say, I'm not completely against that. 85 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,240 I think there are, you know, shows have a shelf life. 86 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,680 My show has a much shorter shelf life than Don and Drew's, for example. 87 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,240 They have, oh man. 88 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:34,760 I think some people have every single episode of Don and Drew and the creating entire archives 89 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,200 and collections and CDs and there's a whole subculture of that. 90 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,880 But source code is, you know, I don't think there's much reason to go back and listen to one. 91 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:47,160 Because I'm basically promoing shows that you want to check out today and, you know, 92 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,760 so the shelf life much shorter. 93 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,760 So I wouldn't mind if the show went away, but, you know, then you come into the whole issue. 94 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:57,480 Well, then you have to use digital rights management or DRM for short. 95 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:03,560 And that means that, you know, you can resort to only really a couple of different types. 96 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:11,080 It'll be, um, uh, well, I guess, looking at the, uh, looking at the portable player market 97 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,640 if you want to have, and that's really what it's all about. 98 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,320 You know, this is not because, oh, gee, I need to play licensed music. 99 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,760 So badly on my show, but I also want to give my audience what they want. 100 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,600 So that's, you know, the audience loves the hit test. 101 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:28,200 The audience loves mashups, not all of them, but, um, so that's why I want to do that. 102 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,560 You know, not, not like, oh boy, you know, I want to be in with the hip crowd and want to play 103 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,720 J-Lo, no, that's not necessarily it. 104 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:42,440 So it's, it's a request, you know, and, and that'll only work if it, um, if it's DRM, 105 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:48,040 and the only way to DRM it to keep my audience would be basically to use apples. 106 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,680 What does it fair play? I think is what they use, um, and I'm sure there's the be a way. 107 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:55,800 So, well, it won't be copyable. I don't know if they can make a show expire or not. 108 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,160 I'm sure they can, you know, then maybe just adapt the software somewhat. 109 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:04,440 But then, you know, how about all the other folks who don't use, um, iTunes and iPods. 110 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:10,040 So I don't see a workable solution there. Maybe maybe maybe all the bulls DRM would be applicable. 111 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,600 But I'm not quite sure we're that with all of their initiatives. And, and again, you know, 112 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,360 this is still kind of about the free airways, you know, that's, that's the whole point. 113 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:24,840 So, and I went through tirelessly explaining that, you know, that it's a good thing, 114 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,760 and that, you know, the only presumption that I kept hearing over and over as well, 115 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,440 it's too easy to steal the song. Well, first of all, you know, and hit test and mashups. 116 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:38,520 It ain't that easy to steal the song. You can't undo the mashup and the hit tests or just little snippets. 117 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,240 But, you know, it just, it was back and forth and they keep coming back to, 118 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,880 well, you guys have to give a little, said, no, fuck you. I didn't say fuck you. I said, 119 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:55,080 said, you know, why should we have to do that? You know, this is, it's so backwards everything. 120 00:09:55,080 --> 00:10:01,320 It's not like we live and die by the 1.5 million songs that are available online, you know, 121 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:06,920 to download and put on your music player that you pay for. You know, it's not about that. 122 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:12,600 It's a more of a cultural thing. I mean, G's songs have been passed down through, 123 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:18,920 through the ages, through history, people sing traditional songs. And of course, those that are in 124 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:23,240 in the public domain, we can continue to use witness jingle bells, which is, as you look at the 125 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:29,000 podcast music network. There's a great new version of that. But it's also an opportunity to 126 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,400 to create new music. And that's really the only direction I guess we can go into promote new music 127 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:39,000 is through pod save. And by the way, I'm so I was in Brussels in the next day in Luxembourg. 128 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:46,680 And I have to say that, yeah, I got the attention. Yeah, we had the meetings, but everybody in 129 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:53,160 those two places were completely focused on France, man. Wow, people are running freaking 130 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:58,200 scared about what's going on there. In case you haven't heard about it. And I must say there's been 131 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:03,640 quite a lack of mainstream media attention for what's happening. There are riots for two weeks now. 132 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:11,480 And the riots seem to consist of mainly like 14 to 18-year-old young men, predominantly from poor 133 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:18,840 areas in France. They're pretty much all from Northern Africa, from Algeria. And I guess they're 134 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:24,520 fed up with their situation. And the way they're expressing that is by writing on the streets. But 135 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:30,200 really the one thing that seems to have caught on is the idea of burning cars. That seems to 136 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:35,480 get all the attention. And so I think now, as of the count from last night, there's over five 137 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,960 and a half thousand. Can you imagine that five and a half thousand cars have been burned? 138 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:46,920 There's already been one death. There's been 1,500 arrests. And it's a big mess. And I think it's 139 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:53,480 by the way, I'm not one of these people who thinks that, oh, this is a Muslim problem. I think this 140 00:11:53,480 --> 00:12:00,040 is a government problem. It's happening all over Europe where Europe invited a lot of Eastern 141 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,440 nations to come on in. Because plenty of work will give you health care. We'll give you child care 142 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:10,520 and come on in. Come on over. And we got plenty of jobs for you. And they did a horrible 143 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:21,880 shitty job with integrating these groups of people. And now we have second generation who are 144 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:28,360 not integrated have very little hope. And this is how they choose to express that, which I 145 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,280 obviously don't think is the best way to do it. And by the way, where are the parents saying, 146 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:37,560 hey, yo, dude, get your ass in here before I kick it and put down that rock, put down that 147 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:43,240 on the Dove cocktail. So anyway, they're all freaked out because this is something that could 148 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,720 easily spark to any number of countries. We're already seeing a little bit of this happening in 149 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:55,880 Germany and Berlin. I think there was a couple of basically copycat actions that took place in 150 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:02,360 Brussels itself. You hear that? No, I don't have a minute. I forget keep forgetting to turn my 151 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:09,080 Skype off every single time I start to show. Another country where this could just explode would 152 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,880 be the Netherlands. So that, you know, phones were ringing off the hook and these guys, these 153 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:20,680 Parliament members, are they Parliamentarians? Parliamentarians? That was like a really just 154 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:26,520 called the Parliamentarians. They kind of are that way, I guess. So long, long, long, long, 155 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:34,120 story short. Not very successful. It's completely hammered into my head that the only way to go 156 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:41,800 for me at least and I'll advise my fellow podshow podcasters and anyone else who's listening 157 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:46,520 within the sound of my voice to be very, very careful what you're doing because they, you know, 158 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:52,280 look, if these guys can go out and sue college kids, high school kids, grandmonds, sounds great, 159 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:59,480 doesn't it? They're suing grandmothers. Me up to the tune of 150 grand. I'm sure that they'll be 160 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,720 happy to take on some podcasters and we're all very, very visible. In fact, we're all going to be 161 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:09,000 damn visible at the, at the expo, at the end of the week, this, this upcoming weekend. So, 162 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:17,480 thank you very much, Koso and Katya, they already created proud to be pod save logos, 163 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:25,800 little music player there with a condom over his head, fantastic. So I received many, many, 164 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:31,000 many comments that had some time to look over them last night in this morning. And there's one 165 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:36,040 thing that did disturb me a little bit. People saying, well, you're not being transparent about 166 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,600 the pod safe music network, because pod show owns it and you're driving people towards your music. 167 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:45,400 And I'm like, whoa, let's just back up one second and evaluate what the pod safe music network is. 168 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:52,440 Okay. This was built more than half a year ago before they're even, we started on this before 169 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,480 there was a pod show company, even. And Ron and I funded it out of Bro Pocket because we were 170 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:03,160 excited about what was happening. Ron's in musician. I'm, you know, I'm a, I'm a dumb blonde DJ VJ. 171 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,320 And we were excited about the prospects of what this could be. The only reason for this 172 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:14,520 pod save music network is to act as an exchange. And the exchange is based upon a very simple 173 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:19,320 license that is kind of agreed upon once you sign up as a podcaster and once you sign up as an 174 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:25,720 artist. And it's an agreement that, hey, look, the art, you can play this song and promote it, 175 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,320 along as you report back to the network that you played it. And of course, there's links to the 176 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,960 artist's websites all over the place. And it's, at this point, it's up to the artist to monetize 177 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:40,200 on that. Certainly with our unlabel idea, we want to help musicians to monetize on that. 178 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:47,480 And for the, for the artists, they have every right to take their song off the pod safe music network. 179 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:52,360 It's, it's really, it's quite open. Go ahead, read the terms. If you have an issue with the terms, 180 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,200 bring them up so we can discuss them. We've done that in the past and we'd be happy to adapt the 181 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:02,360 terms if it seems to be the right thing to do. But there's, except for maybe a little bit of advertising, 182 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:07,160 there's no huge monetization scheme in place for sending people to the pod safe music network 183 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:12,680 other than it's just easy. You know, shit, the, the term pod safe, I think Dave Winner and I came 184 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:18,360 up with that a year ago, perhaps, maybe a little less now. But just, you know, it's like, 185 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:23,480 come on, people, yeah, go to garageband.com. You can do it. You can get stuff there. And if there's 186 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:28,760 no blanket license, if you get something from garageband.com, so you still have to do the work. I just 187 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,840 want to, basically, I want to make it easier for myself. Give me a place where I can always go to, 188 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,640 don't have to think about whether I can play this on my podcast, just know that if I like it, 189 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:43,400 I can play it on my podcast. And the benefits of the pod safe music network is that podcasters report. 190 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,760 So right now, I think we only have the top 10 of all time. We're coming out with the top 10 plays 191 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,800 of the month of the week and of the day. And you can see which show has played, what songs? 192 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:59,240 It's a great referral network. That's, that's all that it is. So to Molly, particularly, who wrote 193 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:04,920 a just a nasty comment, like dude, you know, come on, give a little bit of credit here for the work 194 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:09,800 that CC Chapman and Chris Rockwell did and Sue, you know, they put this together. 195 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:17,480 Okay. Anyway, so I'm very excited about moving forward and putting this behind us. 196 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:23,400 It really blows because man, do I love the mashups? I really love the mashups. Lots of people 197 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:28,200 saying, hey, why don't you do pod safe mashups? Well, if anyone sent me a great pod safe mashup, 198 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,440 I'd use it. I haven't heard anything that I liked. And of the thousands of mashups that I've 199 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,120 received, I've only played a very small portion because I thought they were good enough. And some 200 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:42,680 of them probably even sucked too bad. But I wanted to put a mashup on. And I'm bummed, you know, 201 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:49,240 like the backtracks podcast, fantastically produced stuff, really cool, young polette. He's, and 202 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,880 polette is bummed out, really, really bummed out. Because, you know, this was kind of one of the things 203 00:17:53,880 --> 00:18:00,920 that he had a lot of passion doing it. And we never had any financial range when he just sent me 204 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,480 stuff and had happily play it. And of course, he had, you know, maybe to make like 20 or 30 bucks 205 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:10,520 a month from the iTunes links because there is no money in being a middleman in the licensed 206 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:17,320 music business. Ask Steve Jobs, he's making pennies, ask Napster, ask Rap City. These guys 207 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:22,200 are not making money. They have to give up so much to all these different agencies with their 208 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:29,720 handout that they're literally stifling everything. So what I'm trying to do now is inspire 209 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,640 young to come up with something new, some other new short form feature because it's really 210 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,360 truly is he's a great short form feature producer. So I'm hoping that it'll, they'll come up with 211 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,120 some more stuff. And hey, young, anything you want to try, man, just send it to me. No, 212 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:47,320 and all that throw it right on. So we will talk about the podcast Expo today. 213 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:54,920 When I wrote on a couple of things here, man, I have such a busy day. I have a whole list of 214 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,880 things I have to take care before I go. Because here's the deal. I'm going to, 215 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:04,120 what time are we at now? I'm going to Los Angeles, then I drive straight up to Ontario. 216 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:12,200 Thursday night is the Podsafe Acoustic Jam that I guess the Podsafe Music Network is actually 217 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:19,560 underwriting it. Oh, gee. More money out of pocket. But it's good, you know. I think Brother 218 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:24,360 Love is coming. He's going to do an Acoustic set. I have no idea. CC Chapman is arranging all of that. 219 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:29,160 So I'm very, very excited to see what kind of vibe we can create. Then of course Friday and 220 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:35,400 Saturday is the Expo. Sunday, back in San Fran Monday, in the office for just a little bit, 221 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:43,480 then I got to go to Washington, Seattle, Washington, to speak before all of the brand, 222 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:48,680 I think it's the brand managers and media buyers of Johnson and Johnson. Dude, those guys make a lot 223 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:54,040 of stuff. You may think they just do a certain amount of products, but they actually do 224 00:19:54,040 --> 00:20:02,360 an Acubu lenses or they own the companies. So that's Tuesday, Tuesday morning, then I hop on a flight 225 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:06,360 back and then I'm in the office Wednesday. And then Thursday, I have to, well, have to, then I'm 226 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:12,120 coming back already because Patricia is paying, don't tell them, okay. Then I'll have a computer, 227 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:16,760 so I don't think they'll hear it, but Patricia's going to pay her dad who just turned 80 a surprise 228 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,520 visit this weekend. So I have to be home to take care of the end of Christina's going to. So I have 229 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,280 to stay home to take care of the cottage and the dogs and then I'll be home for 230 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:29,400 thing two weeks and then off again just before the holidays. So plenty of Gmail to go through, 231 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:37,400 I don't know if I'm going to get to most of it. And brand new is the promo upload system. 232 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:42,040 I got to come up with a better name for that. If you go to promos.podshow.com, 233 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:48,120 there's basically a WordPress weblog there. You register, you can set up your own username and password, 234 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:54,280 and then you can create your own post and just throw the URL in anywhere on that post, 235 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:59,240 you know, just copy and paste it wherever you put up a file on your server and it will automatically 236 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:04,280 be turned into the podcast feed, which you can subscribe to, down at the bottom, there's a little 237 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:09,640 link to the RSS feed. And now the promo is just drop right into my system automatically. It is so 238 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:15,720 incredibly cool. And of course, you know, you could also subscribe to the feed. And if you're 239 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:20,120 if you've got a podcast that you're, you know, might want to promo some other stuff on, 240 00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:23,880 you're welcome to use it. So, let me give you a couple of those and I'll be right back. 241 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:33,720 This is Mr. Morgan. And this is Qdog. And we're from cool shot on the tube. 242 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:42,360 What is cool shot Mr. Qdog? Cool shot is a movie reviews. It's talking about TV. It's talking about 243 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:50,520 pop culture. It's talking about a lot of shit. A lot of shit. A lot of shit. And this is what some 244 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:56,840 of our listeners have had to say about us. I love cool shot on the tube. It's possibly one of the 245 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:02,440 best five guests I've ever listened to. Thank you, Governor Arney. You're welcome. Now one of 246 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:07,960 that you missed the Billy Conley. I think it's brilliant. I've never heard anything like it in my 247 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,680 way. If you like listening to people talking about movies, people having a good time, people 248 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:18,040 hacking on each other, you should come to cool shot on the tube. Listen to us. I have a good time. 249 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:26,680 We're about that. www.co.sh-h-i-t-e. That's far as I'm concerned. I had never listened to any 250 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:32,280 other podcast. I mean, who would do that? 251 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,280 Well, Australia, Adam. 252 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:42,040 Australia? But are you really listening? I don't think you heard non-terrace yet. 253 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:48,200 Everybody up to date on non-terrace, our podcast. My name is Sandra tonight. And I'm an 254 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:55,400 of blonde, also known as the blonde. I'm the blonde, natural blonde, 100%. And I am the 255 00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:03,080 brunette. That's right. My life is nothing, like the pages of Us Weekly. But I live in LA. 256 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:08,520 I work in Hollywood. Here I have all of these very talented friends. And I wanted a place where 257 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,160 I could showcase these talents. And let's talk about what real life is like for us, right? 258 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:19,640 What a lot of animals in Hollywood. For bringing light to what can still easily be glossed over 259 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,560 as a programmer and Hollywood life. We're going to include a little music. Yes. 260 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:28,600 It's courtesy of the Podsate Music Network. Podsate Music Network. 261 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:34,520 So to check out the under-exposed talent behind the scenes in Hollywood, visit non-terrace.com 262 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,480 N-O-N-T-O-U-R-A-G. 263 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,960 No, hardly hold their podcast arena. 264 00:23:41,250 --> 00:24:41,250 [ Music ] 265 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,080 Incoming subs-based, click-off. Click-off, click-off, click-off, click-off, click-off, click-off, click-off, click-off, click-off. 266 00:24:47,080 --> 00:25:04,800 Hi everyone, this is Rev Tim from the Rev Tim podcast, fresh from the San Francisco Bay area. 267 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,920 Now if we can bring you a little bit of hope and inspiration, our job has been accomplished. 268 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,160 We want to help you build positive relationships with your spouse, with your children, 269 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:21,720 with your friends at your workplace and just help you to find out how God wants you to be a better person in this life. 270 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,320 You know, God has a plan and a purpose for your life. 271 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,840 It is not for disaster, but it's to give you a hope and a future. 272 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,840 Check it out, the Rev Tim podcast. 273 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,880 Just go to Rev Tim.com and click on the show no point. 274 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:47,080 Yeah, Rev Tim, I have a feeling he'll be at the podcast or it's not actually podcast. 275 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,800 It was the portable media expose what it's called and on Tereo this coming weekend. 276 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,800 So here's what I've been thinking about. 277 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,200 I'm going by the way, that's probably clear right now. 278 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:05,840 I've received so many emails from people saying, hey man, looking forward to seeing you there. 279 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:12,640 I'm like, oh, this is going to be horrible because the last thing I want is to this is how it usually goes. 280 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,040 You know, you're talking to someone someone else comes up and then, 281 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:20,440 oh, can I talk to you about this and I, oh, I want to say this and hey, just one second and it's and I love the attention. 282 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,440 Don't get me wrong, but it's just, it's not productive to have any real meaningful conversations. 283 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:35,000 So here's what I'd like to do for today when you hear this, please send me an email sent it to atomoodcurry.com and put in the subject line, 284 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:48,120 which we make it easy, see you at PME, there you go, see you at PME and just so I know who's there because I want to try and set up some, 285 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:53,520 I'm going to be there for a couple of days, so I want to try and set up some kind of schedules that I can meet with people who want to meet, 286 00:26:53,520 --> 00:27:01,120 you know, I want to hook up, I'd love to put some faces to some voices and lots of people have questions and would like to know, 287 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:12,440 you know, how maybe they can work with us, just send it to atomoodcurry.com, see you at PME and so I can kind of put a list together and then we'll be on a lookout for you. 288 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:27,440 I've got to find a place where we can have, you know, I think what we're putting together is a place where we can meet and chill and this also goes for pod squadters, 289 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:35,440 members of the pod squad who are already in the family. This is your very impersonal invitation. 290 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:43,440 It's just too much, this, you know, everybody wants to talk and everyone wants to hang out. So I'm going to try and coordinate as much as possible. 291 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:52,440 And if we don't get around to it, you know, please don't be pissed off, you know, it's just as I guess there's 2,000 people coming or something. 292 00:27:52,440 --> 00:28:00,440 And I pretty much assume that every person who's going to be there is is very enthusiastic and interested in podcasting and has lots of questions. 293 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:06,440 And so hopefully we can get that all together. A couple of pieces of feedback I want to share with you today. 294 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:17,440 Yeah, my really want to get this out because again, it's just bugging me. I heard your podcast Monday regarding what the record companies are doing again. 295 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:26,440 And I'm not in the recording business, but I really am getting frustrated by everything sounding the same, looking the same. 296 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:32,440 And here it is, you know, there is this great tool we have. It's podcasting. 297 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,440 I'm one of a hundred million people ready to embrace something different. 298 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:46,440 I mean, if an artist can understand that this is a great on-ramp to get notice, I mean, I'm ready to give you money. I promise I will. 299 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,440 And there's people out there, all they want to, they're tired of the radio. 300 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:57,440 They're tired, they want, they're looking for juice, they're looking for something that's exciting, that's real. 301 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,440 And you can tell the fake stuff from the good stuff. 302 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,440 And please, all I'm saying to anybody out there with talent, let it out there. 303 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:13,440 I mean, if I had some talent, I don't care about the money so much right now as it is, to let your gift out there for the masses to know what it is. 304 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:19,440 And that's what pop you. We've got to stay together on this because podcasts are right on this. 305 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:25,440 This is a correct way of going. And this is what's going to make us win in the long end, long run. 306 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,440 It is because it's right. And it's about time we all stand up to all the BS out there. 307 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,440 And we say, no, this is how it's going to happen because we need it. 308 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,440 This is a change that is going on now. And if you don't do it this way, guess what we get? 309 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,440 The same old crap day in and day out. I'm tired of it. 310 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,440 No way, the door has been open just a little bit. And that's enough for me. 311 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,440 And I hope it's enough for millions of other people out there. 312 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,440 Thanks. 313 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,440 Right, I'm Mark. 314 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,440 Thank you very much for this feedback. 315 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,440 Well, it's true, you know. And by the way, that repetition, it's kind of, it's logical. 316 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,440 It's not mainstream media's fault, you know. 317 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,440 They can't narrow cast or do only like the roadhouse podcast, you know, you can't. 318 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:13,440 It just won't work. It's, you can't get an audience big enough to justify the infrastructure needed to broadcast that. 319 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:21,440 And, you know, even clear channel only has, you know, only has, you know, 2,000 radio stations that they own and control. 320 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,440 Well, podcast alley, I think just passed 10,000 podcasts. 321 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,440 You know, so it's obvious that this is, it's a breakout, you know, you're right. 322 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:35,440 It is totally a breakout. And I predict that within the next couple of years what will happen is there will be a meltdown. 323 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:43,440 Podcasting will make licensed RIA, licensed music irrelevant, irrelevant in culturally irrelevant. 324 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:49,440 Let me put it that way because I think people are migrating more, you know, everyone has time for their independent stuff. 325 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:57,440 That's just becoming more, you know, people are tuning out to tuning out from mainstream and tuning in a little bit more to the alternative side. 326 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,440 All it takes is a little bit of trust in your customers. 327 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,440 So I do predict that once, you know, the math is really simple on this stuff. 328 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,440 But once you get to the point where you have a song that people like. 329 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,440 Let's say there's the, right now we have 10,000 podcasters. 330 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:22,440 I think that it would be possible for one song to catch enough fire for 10% a thousand podcasters to, to want to play that song because they really dig it. 331 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,440 I think that's, that's very, very possible. 332 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,440 We might not have hit it yet. 333 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,440 Maybe we have and we just haven't been able to track it properly yet. I'm not sure. 334 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:38,440 Now, it's also not completely unthinkable that each of those thousand podcasters would have a thousand listeners, you know. 335 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,440 I think that's that's reasonable. 336 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:51,440 I think I think that there's plenty of shows out there that have anywhere from 500 to 5000 listeners and definitely more than a thousand. 337 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,440 So what if they all played one track? 338 00:31:53,440 --> 00:32:00,440 Well, when we do the math, a thousand times a thousand is a million. So you'd have a million people hearing that track. 339 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,440 Now, of course, there's some crossover you may be subscribed to the same show, but come on. 340 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:12,440 It's a much better tracking mechanism than being used right now for radio with people filling out diaries. 341 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,440 And then there's this BDS system. It's just, it's an old fashioned system. 342 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:24,440 But when we have, you know, when we're able to expose music to a million people, watch the back catalog open up. 343 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,440 Please, it'll happen. It really will. 344 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,440 And there's so much untapped money there. 345 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:38,440 There's, you know, there's back catalogs are huge, much larger than the one and a half million songs that's available on iTunes today. 346 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,440 It's just a matter of giving people access to it and the people want it. 347 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,440 So I think that's probably what happened. 348 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:51,440 And this will happen across the board. Once it's evident how large this movement is and how many people are participating in it. 349 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:59,440 I think we're going to see some changes until then, you're right. I'm really excited about a lot of the new music and the artists that are out there. 350 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:07,440 Still want to talk about the, because the interesting wired article I read about the podcast, the podcast expo, the portable media expo. 351 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,440 There's other places you can meet up with podcasts. 352 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:17,440 If you can't make it to the expo, there are these, you probably heard of meetup dot, I think it's meetup.com, we'll meetup.org, meetup.com, I think. 353 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,440 Well, the meetups. So there's podcasts or meetups. 354 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,440 And in San Francisco, there's one. 355 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,440 I think it's the first Wednesday of every month. 356 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,440 I have successfully been able to schedule my flights wrong every single time. 357 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,440 So I haven't been able to attend a single one. 358 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:37,440 But I do know that lots of pod show folks go there and there's audio folks and podcasters. 359 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,440 And I believe Michael Butler actually organizes these. Now actually, I'm sure he organizes them. 360 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:50,440 And someone sent me a piece of audio from the most recent one, which must have been just the other night. 361 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,440 It's really nice to hear what what people I work with think about me. 362 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,440 So please ask questions. 363 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,440 This is Michael Butler. 364 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:00,440 The meetup. 365 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,440 My name is Kevin Ostrowski. 366 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,440 I've yet to have a podcast, but I'm working on a few ideas. 367 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,440 I work over at Pod Show. 368 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,440 Well, is the name of that company? 369 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,440 Pod Show. 370 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:12,440 Okay. 371 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,440 I understand some other cool people work there too. 372 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,440 Yeah, we got a nice crew. 373 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,440 And here's another developer. 374 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,440 Oh, I don't know what you're talking about. 375 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,440 I'm here for the drinks. 376 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,440 My name is Colleen. 377 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,440 That sounds like a real pod show employee. 378 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,440 I'm here with the drinks. 379 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,440 And I don't have a podcast either, in fact, I listen to the radio. 380 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,440 What are you doing? 381 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,440 So what do you do it? 382 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,440 Oh, my goodness. 383 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,440 Colleen. 384 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,440 Dude. 385 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,440 We got to work on the last. 386 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,440 What are you doing? 387 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,440 I'm in the pod show. 388 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,440 What are you doing? 389 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,440 Pardon me? 390 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,440 What do you do at Pod Show? 391 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,440 Uh, cause a lot of trouble. 392 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,440 And uh, do some software stuff. 393 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,440 I bring people together, really. 394 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,440 I build cool shit. 395 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,440 It's like hand-holding between listeners, musicians, and... 396 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,440 You might know any cool shit that's in the pipeline from Pod Show. 397 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,440 That's what you listen to daily source code for. 398 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,440 Really? 399 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,440 No. 400 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,440 You don't get any information from the daily source code. 401 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:26,440 I'll give him a break, poor guy. 402 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,440 Okay, Colleen, little star. 403 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,440 Michael Butler gets a little checkmark there. 404 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,440 Okay. 405 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,440 I'm just keeping a tally here. 406 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,440 The meetups. 407 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,440 Wonderful stuff. 408 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,440 Let me see. 409 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,440 What should I do now? 410 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,440 What am I? 411 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,440 Man, I've been doing it. 412 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,440 What are we now? 413 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,440 Almost more than half an hour. 414 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,440 Okay. 415 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,440 I want to talk about this wired article that greeted me this morning as I woke up. 416 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,440 First, I'll do a couple more promos. 417 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,440 Get those out of the way. 418 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,440 The fourth annual Southern California Linux Expo is coming. 419 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,440 It will be February 11th and 12th 2006 at the Western Los Angeles Airport. 420 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,440 Scale 4X will build on Scale 3X. 421 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,440 We've moved to a new location, which has allowed us to expand the Expo. 422 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,440 We'll have more speaker tracks and more tutorials designed to show users of all scale levels. 423 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:22,440 What open source can do, and Scale 4X will offer more boost space for those interested in showing how they've made open source work for them. 424 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:29,440 If you're interested in presenting on a topic, the Scale 4X call for papers open through November 20th 2005. 425 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,440 For those staying over, the Western is offering special hotel room rates for the Expo. 426 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,440 Whatever your interest in open source, Scale 4X has something for you. 427 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,440 Park fools! 428 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,440 What are your sources? 429 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,440 You don't have to do. 430 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,440 What? 431 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,440 Are they drawing on these park lines? 432 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,440 Turn me a bit, Volio. 433 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,440 Look upon by death. 434 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,440 I do what keep them. 435 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,440 Hey there, Adam. 436 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,440 This is Sean J from Shakespeare Cast. 437 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,440 Live from the streets of Verona, Italy. 438 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,440 Where it looks like the cavealts and monogues are getting a little hot and heavy again. 439 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,440 Anyway, I just wanted to tell you about our new podcast at ShakespeareCast.com. 440 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,440 Or we're doing full cast recordings of Shakespeare's plays. 441 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,440 Oh yeah. 442 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,440 Calm down, everybody. 443 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,440 Full cast recordings of Shakespeare plays one act at a time. 444 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,440 Well, right now it's more like one scene at a time, but we can't all start out as the pod 445 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,440 Father now can we? 446 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,440 So head on over to ShakespeareCast.com and find out if Romeo and Juliet will make it this 447 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,440 time. 448 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,440 Oh, who am I kidding? 449 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,440 It's a tragedy. 450 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,440 Anyway, I love your show, but that sounds like the prince. 451 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,440 So I'd better get out of here before I get stabbed, poisoned, hung, or find out that the young 452 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,440 male page I find myself strangely attracted to is actually a shipwreck young woman. 453 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,440 Oh, sorry. 454 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,440 Wrong play. 455 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,440 Shakespeare cast. 456 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,440 Does that not hear? 457 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,440 Pot show should only be enjoyed under the supervision of a podcasting professional. 458 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,440 Warning. 459 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,440 Do not attempt this at home. 460 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,440 Alright, coming up, I'm going to take a look at this wired article that came out 461 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:08,440 some kind of riff between apparently I have a riff with the portable music expo. 462 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,440 We'll get into that for sure. 463 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,440 Oh, man, I played these roles before. 464 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,440 Wake it up the neighborhood. 465 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,440 Why are the women? 466 00:38:18,750 --> 00:41:37,480 [ Music ] 467 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,340 You ain't never brought it down 468 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,500 Who was that? 469 00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:43,060 Take me to it 470 00:41:43,060 --> 00:41:44,380 If we'd fooled your women 471 00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:45,600 We accompagnoned our neighborhood 472 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:45,900 That's right 473 00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:52,020 on the source code music.podshow.com is where you can find that. So I don't know if 474 00:41:52,020 --> 00:41:56,020 you've seen this yet, I'm sure it'll show up in the show notes, which of course 475 00:41:56,020 --> 00:42:02,700 you can find at dailysourcecode.com or curry.com. Oh man, huge controversy 476 00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:09,900 brewing in the podcast world. You should read this article. It's so typical. So 477 00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:14,700 it apparently wired is the reporting that I, that I, interestingly enough, 478 00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:19,540 have an issue with the portable media expo. I'm not quite sure what happened 479 00:42:19,540 --> 00:42:24,540 here in all the communication and, you know, geez, these guys, the podcast 480 00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:27,820 brother started this idea over a year ago. I was, I've always been very 481 00:42:27,820 --> 00:42:31,500 supportive of it and, and I've promoted and played bits from the show and I've 482 00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:37,700 talked about it. I think maybe, you know, they said something on one of their 483 00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:41,700 shows. I'm just going to paraphrase here. Oh no, I'm sorry, it started, it did 484 00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:46,420 start with me. I said, I, I didn't think that the portable media expo was the 485 00:42:46,420 --> 00:42:50,820 right venue for us to, you know, to get up on stage and talk about what we're 486 00:42:50,820 --> 00:42:55,540 doing. And I think there, quote, was, look, where the Detroit auto show and 487 00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:59,460 pod show was for that's weird that they're not there or something to that 488 00:42:59,460 --> 00:43:04,220 effect. And so somehow it kind of got out of hand. I think Aaron, the pod 489 00:43:04,220 --> 00:43:08,340 pin, who does marketing communications for us at pod show. Maybe you got a 490 00:43:08,340 --> 00:43:12,700 little bit excited, you know, and when he heard that and, you know, Aaron's a good 491 00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:16,700 guy gets, he's passionate about it gets worked up. And of course, what happens 492 00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:20,500 then is the press loves a good controversy. Well, let me just tell you, the 493 00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:26,300 expo is a fantastic idea and I supported 100%. I just want you to know, my 494 00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:31,020 actually our approach, my partner and co-founder of pod show Ron Bloom, we've 495 00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:36,620 been in business for like 12 years together. We've had many businesses. The 496 00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:40,580 last one we did together. We took public. We had 700 people. You know, it was 497 00:43:40,580 --> 00:43:46,340 huge operation. But never, ever, ever have we paid to play, I guess is is 498 00:43:46,340 --> 00:43:50,300 what you could call it. Because here's here's how trade shows work. Basically 499 00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:56,140 you sponsor the show. And then you get to put a speaker up on stage to do 500 00:43:56,140 --> 00:44:00,140 often the keynote is offered or some other spot. And then you can basically do 501 00:44:00,140 --> 00:44:04,620 your commercial. You do your ad about whatever product you're you're promoting. 502 00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:07,700 This is exactly what Audible does. And by the way, a company like Audible, 503 00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:12,300 this is how they operate. And this is the way they understand doing PR. Audible 504 00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:16,300 has not been the force in pod casting at all. And now they're a platinum 505 00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:20,060 sponsor. And, you know, they they paid. And so they're going to have a 506 00:44:20,060 --> 00:44:23,340 speaking slot. I'm not quite sure if Don Katz is coming or someone else 507 00:44:23,340 --> 00:44:28,940 representing the company. And they'll be rolling out a pod casting service 508 00:44:28,940 --> 00:44:32,860 that that I know about, but I'm not glad to tell you about, which so I won't 509 00:44:32,860 --> 00:44:36,380 know, damn announcements. So, but that's kind of the way it works, you know, 510 00:44:36,380 --> 00:44:39,660 and we've never felt a need to do that. And, you know, when you're looking at 511 00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:44,780 and it costs a lot of money to do this, you know, it's anywhere from 25 to 35,000 512 00:44:44,780 --> 00:44:49,260 dollars. Well, first of all, we have nothing to announce, per se. I think there's 513 00:44:49,260 --> 00:44:52,780 going to be a lot of announcements at this show. So, I'm much more of, hey, 514 00:44:52,780 --> 00:44:55,740 let me just hang back and see what everyone else is doing and announcing. And, 515 00:44:55,740 --> 00:45:00,620 you know, we've we want to be wise with how we invest our funds. And we 516 00:45:00,620 --> 00:45:06,060 typically invest them in podcasters, which is the root of all of this. 517 00:45:06,060 --> 00:45:09,980 You know, we're trying to help people do this full time. We're, um, 518 00:45:09,980 --> 00:45:15,980 we're investing in the, um, in the podsafe music hold-down, uh, Thursday night. 519 00:45:15,980 --> 00:45:18,220 You know, there's, uh, there's a couple of grand in that, uh, 520 00:45:18,220 --> 00:45:21,980 to, you know, get people out and put people up and, uh, and get the venues 521 00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:28,220 squared away, um, you know, so it's, um, it's, uh, that's what I like so much about, 522 00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:31,500 actually Dave Wein are really solidified this for me a couple of years ago when he started 523 00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:37,340 doing blogger con, which is the unconference. You know, it's, um, you, you go to a university 524 00:45:37,340 --> 00:45:41,980 in this case, which is a, you know, pretty much a free venue. And, and I've always sponsored 525 00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:45,820 blogger con. You know, I'll be the first to put down, you know, as much as Google did, 526 00:45:45,820 --> 00:45:49,180 you know, I think we both put down a thousand dollars. I love that. I mean, that's the way it is. 527 00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:56,460 There's no advertising. Um, it's, it's just free form communications. And, uh, to be honest, 528 00:45:56,860 --> 00:46:02,380 um, uh, I think this is probably surrounds whether I should have done a keynote or not. I have nothing to say. 529 00:46:02,940 --> 00:46:06,220 I mean, I got plenty to say, but that's what I love saying on the daily source code. 530 00:46:06,220 --> 00:46:12,940 Little secret that not many of you know, I really, really, really do not like speaking in front of 531 00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:18,380 audience just strange as it sounds. I love the little protection of my windscreen and my microphone. 532 00:46:18,380 --> 00:46:22,380 I'm not big on doing that. It's like that Johnson Johnson thing I mentioned earlier, man, 533 00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:26,300 they got a drag me to that because I mean, once I'm actually into the groove of it, 534 00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:31,020 and I kind of treated like a show, then I'm, yeah, then I'm vibing on it. But, um, oh, no, because 535 00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:36,540 I'm, I'm not funny. I'm not particularly quick on my feet. Um, I like to have things prepared. 536 00:46:36,540 --> 00:46:41,340 And, yeah, it's just, it's, uh, it's different than announcing a Michael Jackson video, you know, 537 00:46:41,340 --> 00:46:46,620 it's just much harder. So, um, so, and then what am I going to say? Hey, everybody, here's the 538 00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:53,260 pod father. Thanks for coming. Come on, man. That's not for me. Um, and we actually, um, put together 539 00:46:53,260 --> 00:47:00,060 quite a, uh, quite a little schedule of, uh, flying, um, different pod show podcasters in, uh, 540 00:47:00,060 --> 00:47:05,020 getting, uh, making sure that we can meet with everybody who wants to hook up, um, trying to 541 00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:10,300 bring some good cheer. You know, and then I got a little messy where, you know, we wanted press credentials 542 00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:15,260 for Steve Gilmore and Madge Weinstein and Madge Weinstein was refused to press good to credentials. 543 00:47:15,260 --> 00:47:20,540 So, that kind of got to, what's that, huh? Uh, yes, thank you. Yes, that's mine. 544 00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:24,860 You're too late. You can't be on the show. Now, only have a couple minutes left. 545 00:47:27,260 --> 00:47:31,820 Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't you see the red light revolving in front of the door, which means you can come 546 00:47:31,820 --> 00:47:39,020 on in and that means you can come in. Red light spells danger. Thanks, baby. Okay, let love you. 547 00:47:39,420 --> 00:47:40,300 Love you, too. 548 00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:52,300 So, um, right, right. So, you know, that's the trade shows to me, you know, sponsoring that 549 00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:57,100 is sponsoring the trade show business, which is great. And, uh, and I hope that the, uh, 550 00:47:57,100 --> 00:48:01,980 the podcast brothers are very successful. I hope this is a recurring event. I think it's fantastic. 551 00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:07,580 You know, it could easily be as, as big as any other, um, expo or trade show, uh, but 552 00:48:07,580 --> 00:48:12,700 you have just never, we've never, you know, spent any money on that. You know, it, it comes from, 553 00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:17,180 from the roots itself. And that's what we want to put our money is in, uh, in podcasters who, 554 00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:22,860 um, strive to quit their, their day job. I think that there's a lot of people who would love to do that. 555 00:48:22,860 --> 00:48:28,460 All right. So, I want to help you do that. Um, and you'll be hearing a lot, uh, um, certainly if we, 556 00:48:28,460 --> 00:48:33,420 if we have an opportunity to hook up or if you see any of the other pod squatters, then, um, 557 00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:38,460 they'll be telling you about the audition and, uh, all the good stuff that is, uh, that is to come. 558 00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:44,380 So, no bad blood, my brothers. Not at all. Not at all. And that's it. Um, I'm going to start 559 00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:49,900 packing. I have that whole list to, to, to work off all that stuff I got to do. I appreciate the time 560 00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:53,820 you took, uh, this morning and I will talk to you either tomorrow or Friday. Bye bye.