1 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Yes, in the next generation radio content in my ears. 2 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,000 I like to think I'm flying into the future. 3 00:00:41,250 --> 00:05:51,250 [ Music ] 4 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,400 I keep falling on my head 5 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,400 Space rocks 6 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,400 Keep falling on our heads 7 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,400 It's a way with the fairies 8 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:02,400 You know where I found that one 9 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,400 The podcast music network 10 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:05,400 Everybody thank God 11 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:06,400 Oh shit, I forgot my Friday 12 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,400 Hey, thank God, it's Friday 13 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,400 It's a shitty Friday 14 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,400 Horrible horrible weather 15 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,400 I had a whole flight plan 16 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,400 For a two-day trip of flight training 17 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,400 And hookin' up with some friends 18 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,400 Actually, hookin' up with one of my lawyers 19 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,400 Who helped me get some stuff 20 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:26,400 Oh, hold on 21 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:28,400 That's not right 22 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:29,400 There we go, that's much better 23 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,400 I'm gonna have some drinks with him 24 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,400 In Amsterdam tomorrow 25 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:34,400 Afternoon 26 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,400 But shit, it's not gonna happen now 27 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,400 Because we have over 20 knots crosswind 28 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,400 Here at the local airfield 29 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,400 At Faroaks, Echo Golf, Tango, Fox Trot 30 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,400 And they expected to go up to 30 knots today 31 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:49,400 If you know, if you're pilot 32 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,400 Then you know that doing that in a SESNO 182 33 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,400 Even the RG version is just dangerous 34 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:56,400 It's too much wind 35 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,400 And they're expecting even worse for tomorrow 36 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,400 So it looks like flying will be delayed 37 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:02,400 Until after the weekend 38 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:03,400 Hey, guess what everybody? 39 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,400 I am the Kate Winslet of Wikipedia 40 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,400 Oh, man 41 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:09,400 Talk about space rocks 42 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,400 I came home last night 43 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,400 And like a huge fucking space rock 44 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:14,400 Hit me right in the head 45 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,400 And I'm like, whoa, what's goin' on? 46 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,400 Oh, my goodness 47 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,400 Well, I appreciate everyone tuning in today 48 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,400 To hear what I have to say about this 49 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,400 Well, I got a lot to say about it 50 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,400 First of all, yesterday 51 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,400 I had a gnarly day trying to get into London 52 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,400 I was visiting Tom Buyers 53 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,400 Who was doing a guest 54 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:42,400 Stint at the University College London 55 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,400 Which is affiliated with Stanford 56 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,400 And it was two hours to get there 57 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,400 I made the mistake of taking a car service 58 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:51,400 Instead of the train 59 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:52,400 Which I should have done 60 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,400 Because once we're in London, man 61 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,400 It was pretty good to look at all the Christmas decorations 62 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,400 But it was gnarly 63 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,400 So I'd love to talk about that 64 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,400 But first, we've got to talk about this 65 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,400 Wikipedia controversy 66 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,400 If you don't know what I'm talking about 67 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,400 Then on curry.com 68 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,400 You can see a piece that I wrote about 69 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,400 At point to some of the original articles 70 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:16,400 That started this off 71 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,400 But wow, this thing is on fire 72 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:19,400 It's unbelievable 73 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,400 Here's what went down two days ago 74 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,400 I noticed in 75 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,400 I used a Google reader 76 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,400 And I like it because it's almost like a river of news 77 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:31,400 The Dave Preaches 78 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,400 What I'm totally hooked on 79 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:34,400 But not quite 80 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,400 But it works well enough 81 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:37,400 And it's pretty ubiquitous 82 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:38,400 And so I've been using that 83 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,400 And I saw a reference to 84 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,400 Maybe it was techno-radi 85 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:43,400 I can remember one of the other 86 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:44,400 I saw a reference to 87 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,400 But because of course you know 88 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:47,400 Every single day I get up 89 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,400 And I go to techno-radi 90 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:50,400 And search for myself 91 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,400 See if there's any articles about me 92 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,400 And I saw something about the history 93 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:56,400 Of podcasting 94 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,400 And I hadn't looked at the Wikipedia entry for a long time 95 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:00,400 And I went over that 96 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:01,400 I was astounded 97 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:02,400 But there were names in there 98 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:03,400 Who I've never heard of 99 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:04,400 I was like 100 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,400 Wow 101 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:06,400 Maybe brilliant minds 102 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,400 All do think like at the same time 103 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,400 And I made mention of that 104 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:12,400 In the source code 105 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,400 Which was at Wednesdays 106 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,400 I think at Wednesdays show 107 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,400 That you know 108 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,400 Neither my nor Dave Wine 109 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:20,400 There's contributions to podcasting 110 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,400 We're fairly represented anymore 111 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,400 And there were just a lot of 112 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:24,400 Sexual errors in there 113 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,400 That I know to be 114 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,400 Factually incorrect 115 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,400 And I don't know if Dave heard that show 116 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,400 Or maybe 117 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,400 For somehow he also noticed that 118 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,400 The Wikipedia entries were incorrect 119 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,400 And 120 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:40,400 So I said, you know 121 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,400 Shit man 122 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,400 And I have edited in this before 123 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:44,400 In the Wikipedia 124 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:45,400 And let me just point out 125 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,400 Wikipedia editing is not trivial 126 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,400 Now people think I'm full of shit 127 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,400 Or at least that's what they're writing 128 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,400 But I haven't even figured out how to do my own 129 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,400 Show notes properly 130 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,400 Which is why I'm so happy with show notes 131 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:57,400 Michael once in a while 132 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:58,400 I'm able to you know 133 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:59,400 I can certainly add a line 134 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,400 But when all those brackets and shit 135 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,400 I just have no patience to understand 136 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,400 Why can't it just be like HTML 137 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,400 Is what I'm thinking 138 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:07,400 But anyway 139 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:08,400 That's beside the point 140 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:09,400 Here's what I wanted to change 141 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,400 And I really did start to do this 142 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:12,400 And I started to write some stuff 143 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,400 Kevin Marx 144 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,400 I actually 145 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:17,400 And it's kind of weird 146 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,400 Because 147 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,400 I wanted to write the full story 148 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:21,400 I remember it 149 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,400 Kevin Marx 150 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,400 Well let me start with another piece that I took out 151 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:26,400 Which is infinitely incorrect 152 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:27,400 Trade secrets 153 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,400 Was not the first podcast 154 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:30,400 Okay 155 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,400 Dave and I did try 156 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:33,400 Trade secrets 157 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,400 Way after he was podcasting 158 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:37,400 After I was podcasting 159 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,400 After Doug K was podcasting 160 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,400 So and that's something that keeps showing up 161 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:42,400 Over and over again 162 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:43,400 And it's just it's not true 163 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:44,400 It was certainly 164 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,400 Defining moment for both of us 165 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:47,400 And maybe it was the first 166 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,400 Do-O podcast 167 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,400 When the word finally existed 168 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:52,400 But it's irrelevant 169 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,400 It was not the first podcast 170 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,400 You know what? 171 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:57,400 Maybe I should 172 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:58,400 Why don't I just 173 00:10:58,400 --> 00:10:59,400 I'll tell you what 174 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:00,400 I'll recount the history 175 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,400 As I recall it 176 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,400 And then we'll get to the Kevin Marx piece 177 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:04,400 Which is very important 178 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,400 Because Kevin certainly does not get 179 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,400 The credit he is due 180 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,400 Because he was a complete inspiration to me 181 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,400 And that's what I wanted to 182 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,400 Defix actually 183 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,400 So 184 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:17,400 In 2000 185 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,400 It was 186 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:19,400 Yeah it was pre 187 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,400 It was either 188 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:21,400 2000 189 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:22,400 2001 190 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:23,400 It was pre-911 191 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,400 I met Dave Weiner in New York 192 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,400 And that by the way is for me 193 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:28,400 Where the entire 194 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,400 Concept of shipping large media files 195 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,400 Through RSS 196 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:33,400 Was conceived 197 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,400 Dave had already done all of his work on RSS 198 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,400 And this is pre RSS 2.0 199 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:39,400 We met in New York 200 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,400 And I was talking about 201 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,400 The concept of delayed 202 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,400 Basically time-shifting 203 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,400 Content downloads 204 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,400 In order to give the user a great experience 205 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,400 By dripping the content 206 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,400 Into their computer 207 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,400 And then only telling them that it was there 208 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,400 Once it was there 209 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,400 So you could have a 100-meg file 210 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,400 Downloading to your hard drive 211 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,400 And 212 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:06,400 And not even know about it 213 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,400 But then you'd get a message 214 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:09,400 Somehow that would say 215 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:10,400 Hey you've got mail 216 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,400 Or you've got 217 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:13,400 You've got content 218 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,400 And then you'd click on a file 219 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:16,400 Or however you open it up 220 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:17,400 And it would already be there 221 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,400 On your hard drive 222 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,400 So the experience would be fantastic 223 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,400 This was at a time when streaming 224 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Everyone was doing streaming 225 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,400 And the quality was just not 226 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,400 Not really valuable 227 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,400 Or didn't deliver on the experience 228 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,400 Like put it that way 229 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,400 And I showed Dave some software 230 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,400 That I'd built in frontier at the time 231 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:35,400 I think was frontier 232 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,400 I don't know 233 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,400 Five, six 234 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:40,400 Maybe it was radio 235 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:41,400 That's possible 236 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,400 I don't remember 237 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:44,400 And from that meeting 238 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,400 Dave created the enclosure element 239 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,400 And then of course subsequently RSS 2.0 240 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,400 And for four years 241 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,400 We would be evangelizing this stuff 242 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,400 Attaching movie trailers 243 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:56,400 Big clips 244 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,400 Blogging about it 245 00:12:58,400 --> 00:12:59,400 But I have to say 246 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,400 I was really thinking video at the time 247 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,400 And not thinking audio at all 248 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:04,400 So that was 249 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,400 So essentially podcasting exist 250 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,400 That ever since 251 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:10,400 Radio user land 252 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,400 I think was the first aggregator 253 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,400 That did downloads of enclosures 254 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,400 So it was already there 255 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:17,400 It's just we hadn't quite 256 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,400 Well the iPod wasn't there 257 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,400 That's what was missing 258 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:21,400 I think the real was there 259 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,400 But that connection really hadn't been made 260 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,400 Let me see 261 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:27,400 What is the other 262 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,400 And I'm just going to go through my contributions to podcast 263 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,400 This is so ridiculous 264 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,400 We're doing this 265 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,400 Okay, fast forward 266 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,400 To 267 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,400 Just before blogger the very first blogger 268 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:40,400 Con 269 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,400 And Dave was posting interviews 270 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,400 That Christopher Lydon was doing 271 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,400 On to an RSS feed 272 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,400 A separate RSS feed within closures 273 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:50,400 At the time I was doing 274 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,400 I was winding down a stint 275 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,400 As I was doing a morning radio show 276 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:55,400 In the Netherlands 277 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,400 And I was really enjoying 278 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,400 These interviews that Christopher Lydon was doing 279 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:01,400 They were just 280 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,400 It sounded crappy 281 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:04,400 It was fucked up 282 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,400 It was just it was not like regular radio 283 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:09,400 Yet the content was so compelling 284 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,400 Was different lengths 285 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,400 And I was totally blown away by it 286 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,400 And I wanted more 287 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:18,400 The needle was in 288 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,400 And I was just waiting for this stuff 289 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:21,400 To refresh 290 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,400 And so it would download to my hard drive 291 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,400 And I would then basically 292 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,400 Drag it over 293 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,400 Oh that's oh by then I had gotten an iPod 294 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:31,400 And I didn't 295 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,400 I was not that interested in music 296 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,400 But I was heavy into audio books 297 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,400 I did a lot of audio books stuff 298 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,400 On the daily source code in the very beginning 299 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,400 Because I really like audio books 300 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,400 And I was also dragging these 301 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,400 MP3 files into iTunes 302 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,400 So I could sync up with my iPod 303 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,400 And I think somewhere around 304 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,400 Into you number four or five 305 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,400 I thought to myself 306 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:56,400 My goodness 307 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,400 Wouldn't it be nice if it could go 308 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,400 On to my iPod automatically 309 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,400 And 310 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,400 Marcus Moller 311 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,400 Another person who is not mentioned in the 312 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:09,400 Wikipedia 313 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,400 Who was worked with me for 314 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,400 For years on schoolblocks.com 315 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,400 He actually created 316 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,400 I think it was a frontier script 317 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:20,400 I think it was an apple script 318 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,400 He created a little apple script 319 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,400 That would pull the directory 320 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,400 The download directory for radio 321 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,400 And if something new showed up 322 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,400 It would then pop it onto my iPod 323 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,400 So I actually Marcus 324 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,400 Deserves some major props there 325 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,400 Which he's never received 326 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,400 And certainly has an asked for 327 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,400 And he's not on the Wikipedia 328 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:42,400 So oh my god 329 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,400 What's wrong with the history here 330 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,400 Then we had blogger con 331 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:47,400 And a blogger con 332 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:48,400 I met 333 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:49,400 Oh no shit 334 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,400 Oh man there's so much more 335 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:52,400 Christ 336 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,400 I don't even remember the chronology now 337 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:56,400 After 338 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:57,400 Lidens interviews 339 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,400 I don't know if it was Doug Kay 340 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,400 That I started listening to 341 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,400 Based upon Dave's recommendation 342 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,400 But 343 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,400 At blogger con 344 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:08,400 I met Kevin Marx 345 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,400 And Kevin Marx had created 346 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:11,400 An apple script 347 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,400 That would download in closures 348 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:14,400 Now I don't think 349 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,400 It transferred everything straight over to the iPod 350 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,400 But we certainly discussed it 351 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,400 And I remember asking him 352 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:20,400 You know I do 353 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,400 We've got to do something with this 354 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:22,400 This is cool 355 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:23,400 I'd love that script 356 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,400 I don't think 357 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,400 We had a couple follow on emails after that 358 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,400 But he really completely inspired me 359 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:30,400 To get into apple script 360 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:31,400 And I'm like wow 361 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:32,400 Maybe I can make this whole 362 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,400 Front to Back thing 363 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:35,400 Because although I like radio 364 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:36,400 User land 365 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,400 It used up so many resources 366 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,400 That if I wanted to have the whole 367 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,400 Experience of stuff being sucked in 368 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:43,400 Automatically 369 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,400 If I wanted to have that 370 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:45,400 Running continuously 371 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:46,400 It really couldn't be radio 372 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:47,400 User land 373 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:48,400 Because it really 374 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,400 Used up way too many resources 375 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:51,400 On the computer 376 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,400 So I wanted a simpler solution 377 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,400 Something would just go out 378 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,400 And check for the file once in a while 379 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:58,400 Now I think that's somewhere 380 00:16:58,400 --> 00:16:59,400 Between there 381 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,400 I also experimented with 382 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,400 Some Python code 383 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,400 Either Python or Pearl code 384 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,400 Which I believe 385 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,400 I can't remember who did that original code 386 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,400 If I could have been slusher 387 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,400 Man I don't even remember 388 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,400 Maybe it was Ray or August 389 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,400 I potter X who had done that 390 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,400 I can't recall 391 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,400 But for all intents and purposes 392 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,400 I set out on my own 393 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,400 After BloggerCon 394 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,400 While Dave was doing the democratic 395 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,400 National Convention 396 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,400 And by the way 397 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:36,400 Those were in my mind 398 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:37,400 After Christopher Lyd 399 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,400 And definitely the first podcast that I listened to 400 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:40,400 And they were great 401 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,400 And we talk about it all the time 402 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,400 We talk about 403 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,400 About the microphone 404 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,400 About Mike technique 405 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,400 And Dave would do all kinds of wacky shit 406 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,400 Like leave it running in his bag 407 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,400 Without him knowing it 408 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:54,400 And he'd post all these files 409 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,400 And I even said to him 410 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:56,400 I said dude 411 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:57,400 If you were working on the radio 412 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,400 You'd be so fucking fired 413 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:59,400 Don't stop 414 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,400 This is amazing 415 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,400 This is great shit 416 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,400 So 417 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,400 Then I 418 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:06,400 I'm not sure 419 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,400 I guess I didn't get any connection 420 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,400 With Kevin Marx 421 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,400 Which is exactly what I wanted to say 422 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,400 Because if he had had 423 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,400 This script working 424 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:17,400 All the way through to the iPod 425 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,400 Which I don't recall it that way 426 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:20,400 In 427 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:21,400 At BloggerCon 428 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,400 Then I'm not sure 429 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,400 If he had demonstrated that 430 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:26,400 How come 431 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,400 You know I didn't use that 432 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:29,400 Because what I wound up doing 433 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,400 Is searching all over the web 434 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,400 For XML parsers 435 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,400 There really wasn't an RSS parser 436 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:37,400 Perse 437 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,400 For Apple script 438 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,400 I think there was some kind of OSX 439 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,400 AOSX thing that you had to include 440 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:46,400 Or whatever 441 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:47,400 Some 442 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:48,400 There was definitely some other code 443 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:49,400 Which was all credited and commented 444 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,400 In the original iPod or Apple script 445 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,400 And it's like I'm fucking month 446 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,400 Learn how to do this shit 447 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,400 And I created it 448 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:59,400 It worked 449 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,400 And then I put it out on iPod.org 450 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:02,400 And that's when 451 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,400 A whole bunch of developers jumped on board 452 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,400 This was extremely cool 453 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,400 Because I was able to participate 454 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,400 In a software development process 455 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,400 As a user 456 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:14,400 This is the whole 457 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,400 Users and developers 458 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:17,400 Partying together thing 459 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,400 Which probably lasted for another month 460 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,400 By itself 461 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,400 Which 462 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:22,400 And I was very happy 463 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,400 Dave purposely stayed out of that 464 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:25,400 Conversation 465 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,400 Even told me he did it purposely 466 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,400 Because he said there was something 467 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,400 Beautiful going on there 468 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:30,400 And it was because 469 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,400 The daily source code 470 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,400 For those of you who are wondering about the history 471 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,400 And the history behind the name of the daily source code 472 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,400 Was really only created 473 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,400 I knew that making an aggregator 474 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,400 That is downloading MP3 files 475 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,400 Is 476 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,400 A lot of thought goes into it 477 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,400 And if you don't have something 478 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,400 If you don't have a feed to test it against 479 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,400 Then it's a bummer 480 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,400 You have to keep creating feeds 481 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,400 Or deleting content and going through it again 482 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,400 And so my commitment to the process at the time 483 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,400 And this is the iPod or iPod or X guys 484 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:04,400 iPod or lemon 485 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,400 Nimmig 486 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,400 I'm going to forget all of these different names 487 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,400 I can't remember all of them 488 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,400 A lot of Dutch developers 489 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,400 Frankly 490 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,400 So I would do the show 491 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,400 Which I called the source code 492 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,400 Thinking source code would appeal to developers 493 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:21,400 And I did it 494 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,400 Actually it started off seven days a week 495 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,400 So we called the daily source code 496 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,400 And I'd talk about my experiences 497 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,400 Using their software 498 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,400 And that would be kind of the feedback loop 499 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,400 And it was fantastic 500 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,400 Because they would 501 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,400 They're aggregators 502 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,400 And their iPoders would get my show 503 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:37,400 They'd listen to it 504 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:38,400 They'd be feedback there 505 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,400 And it just kind of grew from there 506 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,400 Now early on we had this whole 507 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,400 Who invented podcasting thing 508 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:47,400 And by the way 509 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,400 Even the name is heavily disputed 510 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,400 The first I heard of it was when Dave Slusher 511 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,400 Saw this podcasting.net 512 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,400 Ork.com 513 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,400 Show up in his referral logs 514 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,400 And that had been registered by Danny Grigwar 515 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,400 And that's to me how the name podcasting was born 516 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,400 But then hammerously of the guardian always claims 517 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,400 That he invented the name 518 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,400 In fact he did publish the name 519 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,400 A year before 520 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,400 Danny Grigwar 521 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,400 But 522 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,400 You know it's like 523 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,400 Okay 524 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,400 So it doesn't really matter 525 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,400 So that's essentially the story of podcasting 526 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,400 As I recall it 527 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,400 And following upon 528 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,400 The conversation we had on the last daily source code 529 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:30,400 That's my reality 530 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,400 That's the way I remember it 531 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,400 I may be completely wrong 532 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,400 Based upon Kevin Marx's reality 533 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,400 Based upon Dave Wine's reality 534 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,400 You know 535 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:38,400 I don't know 536 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,400 But when I go into Wikipedia 537 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,400 To go change that stuff 538 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:43,400 You know 539 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,400 Then for someone to say 540 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:46,400 Which by the way 541 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,400 I didn't say Adam Curry did all this 542 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,400 Adam Curry this or that 543 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,400 I haven't added any entries about myself 544 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,400 Into Wikipedia.org 545 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,400 To say that I'm trying to grab more credit 546 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,400 Or change history 547 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,400 Isn't the Wikipedia all about changing history? 548 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:02,400 And quite honestly 549 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,400 This thing doesn't work 550 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,400 This Wikipedia shit is broken 551 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,400 I mean now 552 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,400 I'm even seeing people 553 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,400 Say oh yeah 554 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,400 He was the first domain name 555 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,400 Squatter with MTV dot com 556 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:13,400 Well you know 557 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,400 That's not the the history of it 558 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,400 You know the history of MTV dot com 559 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,400 Is that MTV allowed me to use it 560 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,400 You know I registered it before there was even a worldwide web 561 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,400 But you know so now that's how history 562 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,400 Will be written forever 563 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,400 I'm the Kate Winslet of the Wikipedia 564 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,400 And I am 565 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,400 The first domain name squatter 566 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,400 Well so be it 567 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,400 I can't help 568 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,400 What you think 569 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,400 Now I do think what we'll be fun to do 570 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,400 Since Wikipedia the whole idea of 571 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,400 Making something editable 572 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,400 And text it's just too easy 573 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,400 As you can tell 574 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,400 Here's the prime example 575 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,400 And now by the way 576 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,400 If you read the comments 577 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,400 Everybody hates me 578 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:53,400 I'm busted 579 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,400 I don't know what I'm busted for 580 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,400 For using the fucking Wikipedia 581 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,400 And trying to figure out a wiki 582 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,400 Well I was writing this as I said 583 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,400 I got fucking 584 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,400 Exasperated with the whole 585 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,400 Process of writing in a wiki 586 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,400 And the two pieces that I wanted to change 587 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,400 Did wind up getting edited out 588 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,400 But nothing was added in 589 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,400 And that's the piece that is unfortunate 590 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,400 So now you've heard what I wanted to put in 591 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,400 Now you've heard my 592 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,400 Perception of how podcasting started 593 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,400 And you know 594 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,400 Just like in the universe 595 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,400 Just like with let's take a car for example 596 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,400 You can't 597 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,400 What's more important? 598 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,400 The engine or the steering wheel 599 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,400 Now you may say steering wheel 600 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,400 You may say engine 601 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:37,400 But of course 602 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,400 Every single piece of the car is important 603 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,400 You can't drive without the steering wheel 604 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,400 You can't drive without the engine 605 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,400 You can't drive without 606 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,400 The tire valve 607 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,400 Being in place 608 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,400 You then you'd have 609 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,400 One flat tire 610 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,400 So all of these pieces in the universe 611 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:54,400 Had to come together 612 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,400 And I'm sure that these people 613 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,400 Who's names I don't even recognize 614 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,400 In wiki pedia 615 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,400 Entry for podcasting 616 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,400 I'm sure they were they contributed as well 617 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,400 At the end of the day 618 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,400 I personally 619 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,400 Really don't care 620 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,400 I mean I've been having too much fun 621 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,400 Working with 622 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,400 Hundreds 623 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,400 If not thousands of creative talented people 624 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,400 You know 625 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,400 Changing 626 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,400 Radio broadcasting 627 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,400 Changing 628 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,400 The music business 629 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,400 Yeah 630 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,400 And I can't do this by myself 631 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,400 Yeah, I'm not the one that's responsible 632 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,400 I'm not 633 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,400 I'm certainly not 634 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,400 Ever tried to take full credit 635 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,400 I've given 636 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,400 I've given plenty of credit 637 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,400 Where credit is due 638 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,400 So anyway 639 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,400 And nothing I say here will make any difference 640 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,400 But at least I wanted to have it on record 641 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,400 So the thing that I thought would be interesting 642 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,400 Is to create a podcast of the definitive history of 643 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,400 Wait a minute 644 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,400 The definitive history of podcasting 645 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,400 And I know who should do it by the way 646 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,400 And I think I know how we should do it 647 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,400 Doug Kay has to do this 648 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,400 Doug Kay is the perfect candidate 649 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,400 Everyone loves Doug 650 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,400 And Doug has a heart of gold 651 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,400 And as far as I know Doug he's extremely honest 652 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,400 And a damn good pilot 653 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,400 And what if he were to 654 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,400 Set up a project 655 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,400 And you know I'd gladly help 656 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,400 Or contribute to the funding of this 657 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,400 To the podcast academy 658 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,400 Or IT conversations 659 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,400 Or whatever is necessary 660 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,400 To get this going 661 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,400 We should have him 662 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,400 Interview 663 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,400 All the people who have been involved in podcasting 664 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,400 Now that's a lot of interviews by the way 665 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,400 It's just look at all the Wikipedia entries 666 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,400 Or maybe we go to Wikipedia and look at all the changes 667 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,400 And look up the IP addresses and see if we can trace everybody 668 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,400 Thanks easy net by the way 669 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,400 For putting on the fucking personal information 670 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,400 In my in the right database 671 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,400 That really helps my god 672 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,400 You know I've often the phone has been ringing at night here 673 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,400 It's fucked up 674 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,400 So then you could have all these different versions 675 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,400 All side by side 676 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,400 And I think you'll find that the chronology gets messed up 677 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,400 I know for sure that I have my chronology messed up 678 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,400 You probably have to pull up 679 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,400 It's a big project 680 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,400 But it would be very interesting 681 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,400 If we could create that as a historical document 682 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,400 So that we'd have it 683 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,400 And it would be non-changeable 684 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,400 Because that's the downside to the Wikipedia 685 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,400 And you know it's like 686 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,400 When you've been interviewed in a newspaper 687 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,400 Or for a magazine or for some website 688 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,400 It never comes back the way you told it 689 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,400 It never comes back the even the way 690 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,400 Usually not the way you intended it to be 691 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,400 It's whatever the reporter was thinking 692 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,400 Usually what they already had preconceived 693 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,400 You know and you can massage that kind of stuff 694 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,400 And you can you can work it 695 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,400 But you know so the same thing you know 696 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,400 Then you kind of will distrust anything that's written ever again 697 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:06,400 Because it's all written from someone else's reality 698 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,400 So that's my reality 699 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,400 I wasn't trying to do anything 700 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,400 I'm not saying I didn't try to edit 701 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,400 Then I saying I didn't want to edit 702 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,400 I'm saying that I did get exasperated 703 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,400 With the Wiki and stopped editing 704 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,400 So 705 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,400 Kate Winslett of the Wikipedia 706 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,400 Anyway, I'm really happy I have all your attention today 707 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:30,400 Because we have a fantastic project that I wanted to introduce to you 708 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,400 This is something that's been going on for a couple of weeks 709 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:38,400 We have the pod save for peace Christmas song 710 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,400 Which is now complete 711 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,400 And I have the honor of premiering that right here 712 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,400 On the daily source code 713 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,400 Quick history about this 714 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:54,400 Slow a member or contributor to the Ponte music network 715 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,400 Upload it a song called If Every Day We're Christmas 716 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,400 And on one of my usual morning scans a couple weeks ago 717 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,400 I heard the song I played it on the source code 718 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,400 And 719 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,400 Hold on a second 720 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,400 That's the phone 721 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,400 I'll talk to you later 722 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,400 Okay 723 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,400 Wow, it's almost like an old fashioned source code 724 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,400 Where was I? 725 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,400 Okay, so I played this 726 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,400 After the song played on the source code 727 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,400 Wow, man, that's almost kind of like a we are the world 728 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,400 Or bandaid 729 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,400 Do they know it's Christmas kind of kind of song? 730 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,400 I said wouldn't it be cool if we had a whole bunch of pod save music artists 731 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,400 All joined together 732 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,400 But not in a physical studio, physical location 733 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,400 But actually have them contribute tracks 734 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,400 To create a similar song 735 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,400 And then hopefully we could 736 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,400 Maybe get to race a money for it 737 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,400 We could sell it somehow 738 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,400 And we could race a money for a worthy cause 739 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,400 Well, this got picked up 740 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,400 Slaw immediately jumped on it 741 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,400 And CC Chapman of course did a humongous job in getting everybody 742 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,400 Or as many people as possible involved 743 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,400 So 744 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,400 Since we don't have a wonderful video 745 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,400 Which of course is something I didn't think about 746 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,400 As we should have had everyone sending a piece of video of them 747 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,400 Recording their tracks at their home studio 748 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,400 Because then we really would have had something cool 749 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,400 He's giving me the lineup 750 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,400 And I'll just go before I play the song 751 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,400 I'll go through everyone who's on it 752 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,400 In order of appearance 753 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,400 And then we'll play this wonderful piece of work 754 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,400 Of which all proceeds if any 755 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,400 We'll go to unicef 756 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,400 So the pod save for peace lineup 757 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,400 Here we go 758 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,400 It starts off with Slaw 759 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,400 Slaw actually put in the 760 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,400 Where these people are from 761 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,400 First one, Slaw New York 762 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,400 Matthew Ebel after that from Nashville 763 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,400 Then verse two, Holler from Miami 764 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,400 May of Oboil from Glasgow 765 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,400 Chance from Los Angeles 766 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,400 Then we get the first chorus 767 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,400 Which is a chance and Slaw will start that off 768 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,400 Then you have the whole chorus joining in 769 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,400 I think this is like 96 tracks of chorus 770 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,400 Verse three, brother love from New York 771 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,400 Josh Cruz of cruise box 772 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,400 He's from Oklahoma City, Kevin Reeves from Nashville 773 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,400 Then the chorus again 774 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,400 Civilist Bitties do the bridge 775 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,400 Then we go into chorus three 776 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,400 Chance, Holler 777 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,400 Oh, I actually has a chance as woo 778 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,400 Holler does every day every day 779 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,400 Brother love, we would never feel blue 780 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,400 All these little improvisation things 781 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,400 Then Josh Cruz comes back and then Carmen Tyler from Texas 782 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,400 Brother love and Josh Cruz again 783 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,400 Do some improvs 784 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,400 Then chorus four Jim Fiddler from Newfoundland 785 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,400 Brother love 786 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,400 Lorina Mirei from Miami 787 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,400 My god, there's so many people on this 788 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,400 Let me see if I've got all the names 789 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,400 Okay, so then we have the break down 790 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,400 God, we're going to put all this in the show notes by the way 791 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,400 I'll try my wiki skills at it 792 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,400 Josh Cruz, Carmen Tyler Kevin Reeves 793 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,400 Jim Fiddler, Carmen Tyler Patricia 794 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,400 She's a lovely Patricia singing on the track 795 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,400 Madsumo from Boston 796 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,400 Donna Machiocia of Amplifico from the UK 797 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,400 Tara Tons Thompson of 798 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,400 Toronto 799 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,400 Henta Ellis from the UK George Rob from Pennsylvania 800 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,400 Brian Page 801 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,400 Cheryl B. Engelhart, Pippa Rogers, Albert Lee Fizz 802 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,400 from Rotterdam, he's from Skycar 803 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,400 Jeremy Gale of just Jacob from Australia 804 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,400 Carl Cabbage, Sonowari from Rich Palmer 805 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,400 Derek Miller from Vancouver 806 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,400 Franco Franco of a potteness 807 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,400 from Italy, Franco from Italy 808 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,400 Sasha Ludwig from Germany 809 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,400 Oh my god, this just doesn't stop 810 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,400 Additional backing vocals 811 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,400 Orlando Pagan and Kathy Rose 812 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,400 Drums, George Rob, Victor Kajiao 813 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,400 Typical user podcast 814 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,400 Or Sympatico on the podcast 815 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,400 Music Network did sex 816 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,400 And slotted piano keyboard 817 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,400 Bass guitar drum loops 818 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,400 And slotted piano keyboard bass guitar drum loops 819 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,400 And percussion 820 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,400 Oh my goodness 821 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,400 Are you guys ready for it? 822 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,400 Okay, you want to crank this up as loud as you can 823 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,400 If every day we're Christmas 824 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,400 This is pod safe 825 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,400 For peace 826 00:32:26,250 --> 00:36:50,400 [ Music ] 827 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,400 This would be 828 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,400 You never feel blue 829 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,400 We make all our dreams come true 830 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,400 What a wonderful world 831 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,400 Christmas 832 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,400 What a fantastic song 833 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,400 Oh man 834 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,400 That is just it's lovely 835 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,400 That's really really cool 836 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,400 And I personally want to thank everybody 837 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,400 Who contributed 838 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,400 To that 839 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,400 And so the work is only begun now 840 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,400 Now it's the podcast 841 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,400 First of all 842 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,400 If you work at a radio station 843 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,400 And somehow 844 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,400 And somehow 845 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,400 Almost 846 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,400 Unthinkable realm of possibility 847 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,400 You have the opportunity to play this song 848 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,400 Please do 849 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,400 Because all Ask Cat BMI 850 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,400 And it will be 851 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,400 If it's not already registered with Ask Cat BMI 852 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,400 It will be 853 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,400 All of those royalties 854 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,400 That come in from playing on the radio 855 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,400 We'll go to Unicef 856 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,400 We're going to try and get this on iTunes 857 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,400 So you can buy it there 858 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,400 I had a thought of 859 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,400 Also seeing maybe we created CD 860 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,400 And put it up at CD Baby 861 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,400 So you can actually 862 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,400 Order a physical copy 863 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,400 And then the proceeds from that 864 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,400 Of course we'll also go to Unicef 865 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,400 Slower's handling all this by the way 866 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,400 And I have every 867 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,400 Every confidence that he's exactly how to 868 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,400 How to put all this stuff together 869 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,400 In fact here's something interesting 870 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,400 He called over to the folks at Unicef 871 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,400 And said, Hey, you know, we want to make sure 872 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,400 This money comes to you and 873 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,400 Here's what we're doing 874 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,400 And their response was 875 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,400 And I was afraid this was going to happen 876 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,400 The response was quite typical 877 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,400 Well, yeah, you know, but how much 878 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,400 How much are you going to donate? 879 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,400 We need to know the number up front 880 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,400 8 million, 10 million 881 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,400 Slower's like 882 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,400 I don't know, you know, maybe a couple hundred 883 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,400 If we're lucky a couple thousand 884 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,400 So 885 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,400 Unicef 886 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,400 With any big nonprofit organization 887 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,400 I think that their name is probably 888 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,400 You so often in vain 889 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,400 That they're very, very wary of who they 890 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,400 Want to team up with. So I don't think we're going to 891 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,400 Any direct help from them 892 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,400 I 893 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,400 Truly styler 894 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,400 Does a lot for Unicef 895 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,400 And I've met her once at a benefit 896 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,400 Interestingly enough, I want to see if 897 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,400 I can get through to her 898 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,400 The old back channels are a bit rusty 899 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,400 I'll see if I can get through to her 900 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,400 And see if we can work something out 901 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,400 With Unicef and otherwise, you know, there's no problem 902 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,400 And donating the money to Unicef 903 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,400 You could even do that right now 904 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,400 You don't even have to do buy anything 905 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,400 Just go ahead and send them some money 906 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,400 It's all done for love and for good cause 907 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,400 And I think it's fantastic 908 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,400 So podcasters, my call to you 909 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,400 Is to play the shit out of this song 910 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,400 Let's see if we can break it through 911 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,400 To to mainstream radio 912 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,400 Wouldn't that be interesting 913 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,400 Instead of them getting 914 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,400 Getting play on podcasters 915 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,400 It's the other way around 916 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,400 And if not, it doesn't matter 917 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,400 We are all entertaining ourselves 918 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,400 Daily source code, it is the Friday edition 919 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,400 Holy shit 920 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,400 Been at this for already 40 minutes 921 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,400 Michael Butler sent me an email 922 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,400 Yesterday that there's a 923 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,400 Brand new record company that is adding tracks 924 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,400 The podsaid music network 925 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,400 Silk city records, welcome guys 926 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,400 Appreciate it about to eight tracks up on line now 927 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,400 It's one of the really liked a lot 928 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,400 Robin Banks, someone to talk to 929 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,400 When it's cold at night 930 00:40:13,750 --> 00:46:13,750 [ Music ] 931 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,400 Robin Banks, someone to talk to 932 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,400 Soak city records 933 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,400 Welcome to the pod safe music network 934 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,400 And that's about 935 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,400 Excuse me about it for today's daily source code 936 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,400 Those of you listening to serious stars 937 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,400 You're probably saying what the hell is this show been about? 938 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,400 Well, welcome to the world of pod casting 939 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,400 We're a routy bunch 940 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,400 That's for sure 941 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,400 And remember, if you're looking for the Kate Winsle of the Wikipedia 942 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,400 You come to the right place 943 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,400 Alright, so 944 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,400 I guess I don't know 945 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,400 Now my whole day is reconfigured 946 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,400 Since I was planning on flying 947 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,400 I'm gonna see if I can figure something else out to do 948 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,400 I think I probably have to go 949 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,400 Do some more keyword searches on technology 950 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,400 See what everyone's saying about me 951 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,400 I will say 952 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:04,400 In closing 953 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,400 About all that 954 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,400 This is exactly 955 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,400 Like the mainstream media world 956 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,400 And quote celebrities 957 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,400 What's happening 958 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,400 It's amazing 959 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,400 It's amazing the attacks that I'm seeing 960 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,400 And by the way, people who hate me for my hair 961 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:22,400 Don't hate me for my hair 962 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,400 You know, I've noticed that most people who make jokes about my hair 963 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,400 Don't have any hair 964 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:32,400 Oh, what was me? 965 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,400 What was me? 966 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,400 I wanted to play one more song 967 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,400 But I'm gonna cut it short for now 968 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,400 I wanted to play Betty by the list of these bitties 969 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,400 Because they are without a doubt 970 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,400 I think they have a break out to smash with this thing 971 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,400 Everyone seems to be playing it 972 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,400 And reporting back to the pod safe music network 973 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,400 So I'll make sure 974 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,400 Maybe I'll do a show over the weekend depending on what's happening 975 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,400 If not Monday, I'll be sure to play Betty for you 976 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,400 If I haven't heard it, you can find it at 977 00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,400 Bittiesforever.com 978 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,400 Or, of course, at the pod safe music network 979 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,400 All right, everybody 980 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,400 I'm out of here 981 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,400 DailySourceCode.com 982 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,400 As we can always find the latest show 983 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,400 Or curry.com 984 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,400 And Adam at curry.com 985 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,400 Free feedback 986 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,400 And once again, please remember 987 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,400 Don't hate me for my hair 988 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,400 Because I'm evil 989 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,400 Another pod show podcast 990 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,400 Stick it in your ear