1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,520 Delta Sierra, Charlie, 369. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,760 Adam Curry, Adam Curry. 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,960 With $16 million worth of airplanes strapped to my ass. 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,080 Transmitters. 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,800 Then the next generation radio content in my ears. 6 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,720 We don't need no stinking transmitter. 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,720 I like to think I'm flying into the future. 8 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:19,720 Hot casting. 9 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,240 Here's Adam Curry. 10 00:00:21,240 --> 00:00:25,280 Oh, Adam can't be with us today because he's on vacation. 11 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,520 Yeah, I think he's getting a little suntan. 12 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,920 So I just thought that I'd step in 13 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,080 to try to fill his shoes, as it were, 14 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,280 with a little history of how I, and you be, 15 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,960 became Adam Curry's girlfriend. 16 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,280 It all started back on DSC number 280 17 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,080 with all this sexy love talk. 18 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,000 I had a mini epiphany last night 19 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,280 while here in the hotel, 20 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:50,720 and I was thinking now, 21 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,000 because we can still kind of mess around 22 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,520 with the PodSafe Music Network before it gets too big 23 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:55,560 and too many people are in there 24 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,400 and you can't really reverse engineer anything. 25 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,760 So what if we enabled the PodSafe Music Network 26 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,160 so that the artists could enable a track to be purchased? 27 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,680 And the simplicity of this really, really hit me 28 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:10,960 right between the years last night. 29 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:13,280 Like, wow, you know, first of all, it's really easy to create. 30 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,240 You know, a transaction, e-commerce engine like that is easy. 31 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,640 And then any artist who's willing 32 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:22,280 to participate in the experiment could just check a box 33 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,760 next to a track that they would like to make purchasable. 34 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,960 And it's a clear, clean MP3 file. 35 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,360 I think that this would be a really interesting experiment 36 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:32,640 because if it's really true 37 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,840 that we pay for the stuff we like, 38 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,480 then we should probably be able to make some good money 39 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,400 for these artists as long as we make it really simple. 40 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,680 Wouldn't it be really, really interesting 41 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,480 if it turned out that sales were astronomical 42 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,360 within our little world, of course, 43 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,840 you know, we don't have jailos yet, 44 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:52,880 but that's soon to come 45 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,880 because these podcasts are proliferating. 46 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,720 There's a lot of propagation of cool tunes out there. 47 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,280 Wouldn't that be really interesting? 48 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,160 Wouldn't that just break a whole bunch of business models? 49 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,200 It could break DRM. 50 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,920 So maybe we say the only DRM we believe in 51 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:11,320 is don't rob musicians. 52 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,400 That's probably a good one. 53 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:13,800 I wanna try that out. 54 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:14,780 You go girl. 55 00:02:14,780 --> 00:02:16,480 I think it will work. 56 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:17,320 You know what? 57 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,920 My belief in humanity tells me it's going to work. 58 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:21,800 Audio feedback. 59 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,960 Okay, let's, if it's too long or if it doesn't, 60 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,040 this is actually the way that I go through promos 61 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,720 and feedback is by basically listening to them. 62 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,040 And if they bore me, then they go on the... 63 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,360 In the trash. 64 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,240 Hey Adam, this is Angie B of Love Spirals. 65 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,640 We're on the PodSafe Music Network. 66 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:40,480 Is he laughing up? 67 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:41,920 I've been wanting to give you some feedback 68 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:44,840 regarding the whole BMI ASCAP issue, 69 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,360 which you just brought up again recently this weekend. 70 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,160 We're an indie band that was signed 71 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,640 to a small label for the past 15 years. 72 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:54,840 We sold a little over 50,000 CDs. 73 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,200 So while we're not totally unknown, 74 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,320 we're by no means a major label artist. 75 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,600 In fact, we recently began our own label 76 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,440 and we just put out our first self-release CD this month. 77 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:05,400 Now I've been hearing about 78 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:06,680 the Creative Commons copyright 79 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,080 quite a bit over the past few years. 80 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,440 And I wondered if we should go that route 81 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:11,680 with our new music. 82 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:12,920 But the thing is Adam, 83 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:16,120 that BMI actually does collect and send us money. 84 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,480 Of course, radio play for smaller bands, 85 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,680 it doesn't really bring in any significant money. 86 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,880 But if you're lucky enough to land placement 87 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,120 in a popular TV show or a commercial, 88 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,880 then BMI or ASCAP can bring in hundreds of dollars per check, 89 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,480 which is really great for smaller bands. 90 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,240 So my question to you is, 91 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,080 how can bands that are in a position 92 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,960 to make a little bit of money like this 93 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,080 really afford to give up working with BMI or ASCAP? 94 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,400 I mean, Creative Commons doesn't collect money, period. 95 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,480 I mean, I honestly feel stuck 96 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,720 between a rock and a hard place right now. 97 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,640 On the one hand, being a smaller band, 98 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,080 we really need the support of podcasters. 99 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,760 I mean, more than any major label band does. 100 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,280 But on the other hand, 101 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,080 we need to try to collect any money that comes our way, 102 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,400 even if it is through BMI, 103 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:04,880 because as you said, 104 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,360 creative people such as bands and podcasters 105 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,480 really kind of need to quit their day jobs 106 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,720 so we can continue to be more creative. 107 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,920 Just to try to help out in this dilemma, 108 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,080 I decided last week to update our website 109 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,920 to include an official statement about podcasting 110 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,200 along with the free downloads that we provide. 111 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,240 So there's a public record of our permission. 112 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:26,840 Maybe other bands listening to your show 113 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:29,440 should consider doing something like that too. 114 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,240 And by the way, our website is lovespirals.com. 115 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,280 We've got the free MP3s I mentioned, 116 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:37,720 as well as our podcast, Chillin' With Love Spirals. 117 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,760 So come check us out if you haven't already. 118 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,920 Okay, first of all, you got a hell of a sexy voice. 119 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,480 Let me check you out on the website. 120 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,400 Lovespirals.com. 121 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,520 Let me see. 122 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:52,760 Loading pictures. 123 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,160 Oh, you're so cute. 124 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,480 I gotta twist my head all the way to the right to see you. 125 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:59,320 Hee hee. 126 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:01,480 All right. 127 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,800 So of course you confused me with a lawyer, 128 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:05,840 which is unfortunate. 129 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:07,600 I have actually looked into this 130 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,120 and it's a lot simpler than you'd think. 131 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:16,120 So ASCAP and BMI, they are collection agencies 132 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,280 and they collect money from, 133 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:21,360 more than just the broadcast industry by the way, 134 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,960 they collect it from bars, from elevators and hotels 135 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,440 and even from businesses. 136 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,800 If you have a business and you have, 137 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,680 let's say you have a mechanic shop, a garage 138 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,440 and you have the radio on, 139 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,600 you will eventually get a visit from ASCAP and or BMI. 140 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:37,760 I'm not quite sure who drops by. 141 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,360 Maybe they both drop by. 142 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,200 And they'll start asking you about who you listen to, 143 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,000 how often, how many people listen to it 144 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,160 and you have to pay money for that. 145 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,160 So the groovy thing is you own all of your stuff. 146 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:54,240 I presume. 147 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:55,600 So it's all yours. 148 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,200 So you can license this any way you want 149 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,520 to anybody in any manner. 150 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,320 So signing up with ASCAP, BMI is not a license. 151 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:11,120 That is a, it's basically, you copyright your work 152 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,960 with the US copyright office. 153 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,320 All that information is on the BMI and ASCAP websites, 154 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:16,160 by the way. 155 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,040 I think it costs 35 bucks and doesn't matter. 156 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,600 You can send like 10 tracks at once 157 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,640 and it only costs $35 and you copyright it. 158 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,120 So that is your work. 159 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,520 And then you sign up with ASCAP, BMI. 160 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,440 I don't think, one of them doesn't have a fee I think 161 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,440 but so anyway you sign up and then you're in their 162 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,600 database and whenever your name pops up 163 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,880 for an airplay either on radio or TV or, you know, 164 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,280 and then of course they have these huge 165 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:44,680 complicated structures, you know, 166 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,360 well we're figuring that if you were played 167 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:47,760 three times on a radio station, 168 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,600 you might have hit an elevator once or something. 169 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,160 I don't know how they do it, it's all mumbo jumbo. 170 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,880 They try to explain it. 171 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,960 They will then send you a check. 172 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,360 So when you register with the PodSafe Music Network 173 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,400 at music.podshow.com, you're basically handing out 174 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,560 a different license to a different set of people. 175 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,680 So podcasters essentially by clicking okay, 176 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,280 sign that agreement and agree to the terms 177 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:16,280 as set out in the terms at the PMN. 178 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,840 So that doesn't mean, and in fact it states there 179 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,880 that it's yours and that no performance license 180 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,960 or royalty or anything will have to be paid 181 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,000 and that's a license only to those people 182 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,080 who are a member of the PodSafe Music Network. 183 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,080 It's really simple. 184 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,200 So you could license it any way you want 185 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,720 with any terms you want to anybody. 186 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,360 Now as I'm not, again I'm not a lawyer 187 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:40,760 and you should really talk to Larry Lessig 188 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,640 about the Creative Commons stuff, 189 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,000 but I'm pretty sure that if you put it up 190 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,720 under Creative Commons that you can still license it 191 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,960 to ASCAP and BMI shouldn't be a problem. 192 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,920 In fact I encourage that because if your music 193 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,120 is used in that manner in a broadcast 194 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:58,840 or public performance then of course 195 00:07:58,840 --> 00:07:59,960 you should get compensated. 196 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:02,960 Now when it comes to TV shows, 197 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,040 that's a little different because that's a synchronization fee 198 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,560 or a sync write and you can, 199 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,440 I think you can basically call the shots on that. 200 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,160 You can, because they will have to contact you. 201 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,200 Say if they would use it for a commercial 202 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:23,040 and again I'm not a lawyer so I could have this wrong 203 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,520 but I think that, look the basis of everything 204 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,280 is that it's your stuff and if you wanna license it 205 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,440 to me for free and to ABC for $10,000 206 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:35,360 that's up to you. 207 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,400 That is up to you and I encourage it 208 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,200 and I'm really, really happy you sent me that email. 209 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,040 I really appreciate it. 210 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,200 And maybe you guys would like to try it, 211 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:48,200 the experiment with the free and clear MP3 for purchase. 212 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,200 Wouldn't that be interesting? 213 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,040 Gosh, I really wanna check that out. 214 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:54,880 What was that? 215 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,680 You wanted to check out Adam? 216 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:59,760 Who can resist all that sexy music geek talk? 217 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,680 The very next day on 281, 218 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:05,480 we continued our scintillating four play talk. 219 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,680 Oh man, we've got so much cool stuff to talk about. 220 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:10,560 Jesus Christ, we got, 221 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:12,600 stuff's really gonna start coming now. 222 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,880 There's so many new bands pouring 223 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,280 into the PodSafe Music Network. 224 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:17,560 Everyone's catching on to this. 225 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:21,920 So this is, and please artists record something. 226 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:22,920 Give me some feedback. 227 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,680 I wanna hear what you're thinking. 228 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,740 So I got one more piece of feedback 229 00:09:27,740 --> 00:09:32,060 from Angie B from Love Spirals, 230 00:09:33,300 --> 00:09:34,700 which by the way in the show notes, 231 00:09:34,700 --> 00:09:37,580 Love Spirals was spelled as two separate words, 232 00:09:37,580 --> 00:09:39,800 but it's supposed to be one word, Love Spirals. 233 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,980 Let's check that out. 234 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:45,700 Hold on, let me turn this off, there we go. 235 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:47,940 Now, hit me baby. 236 00:09:47,940 --> 00:09:48,780 Come on in. 237 00:09:48,780 --> 00:09:52,060 Hey Adam, it's Angie B of Love Spirals again. 238 00:09:52,060 --> 00:09:53,320 Thanks for the compliment. 239 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:54,660 You have a sexy voice too. 240 00:09:54,660 --> 00:09:56,220 That's what keeps me coming back to listen. 241 00:09:56,220 --> 00:09:57,040 Oh yeah, baby. 242 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:57,880 Wait, wait, wait. 243 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,220 That's how I get your lovely wife. 244 00:09:59,220 --> 00:10:01,380 Don't worry about her. 245 00:10:01,380 --> 00:10:03,820 She hasn't listened to any shows this week, Angie. 246 00:10:04,940 --> 00:10:07,100 Is that why you keep coming back, baby? 247 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:09,100 Is that really the reason? 248 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:10,780 Well, you're welcome to do it. 249 00:10:10,780 --> 00:10:11,980 Jealous now. 250 00:10:11,980 --> 00:10:13,060 Back to business. 251 00:10:14,420 --> 00:10:17,860 It wasn't so much that I expected to give me legal advice 252 00:10:17,860 --> 00:10:19,980 because I'm pretty well versed in these things. 253 00:10:19,980 --> 00:10:22,340 It's just the whole cool factor 254 00:10:22,340 --> 00:10:24,740 that Creative Commons seems to have. 255 00:10:24,740 --> 00:10:27,820 I mean, I do listen to a number of music podcasts 256 00:10:27,820 --> 00:10:31,820 and people definitely seem to respect 257 00:10:31,820 --> 00:10:34,660 Creative Commons artists in a certain way. 258 00:10:35,660 --> 00:10:37,900 And especially with all the BMI bashing 259 00:10:37,900 --> 00:10:39,940 that you've done lately, I'm just a little worried 260 00:10:39,940 --> 00:10:42,180 that podcasters are gonna be turned off 261 00:10:42,180 --> 00:10:47,180 to playing Love Spirals because we do sign up our songs 262 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,940 with BMI and get them copyrighted the old fashioned way. 263 00:10:50,940 --> 00:10:54,900 So I just wanted to kind of bring that to your attention 264 00:10:54,900 --> 00:10:56,620 that some of us independent artists 265 00:10:56,620 --> 00:10:59,220 that are really need coffee, 266 00:10:59,220 --> 00:11:02,900 are still gonna need to rely on some of the old school 267 00:11:02,900 --> 00:11:07,020 music business setups for now 268 00:11:07,020 --> 00:11:08,940 until something else happens. 269 00:11:08,940 --> 00:11:11,980 But I did wanna thank you for including my audio feedback 270 00:11:11,980 --> 00:11:16,220 in 280 because I got some emails from your listeners 271 00:11:16,220 --> 00:11:19,540 and a few sales, so it's really great all the way around. 272 00:11:19,540 --> 00:11:22,860 And PodSafe Music Network podcasters, 273 00:11:22,860 --> 00:11:25,180 be sure to check out Love Spirals on the site. 274 00:11:26,260 --> 00:11:27,780 Very cool. 275 00:11:27,780 --> 00:11:30,900 Okay, no, of course, I had this horrible thought 276 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:33,060 that just flashed my mind for a nanosecond. 277 00:11:33,060 --> 00:11:36,660 Would it be horrible if the music industry said, 278 00:11:36,660 --> 00:11:40,420 you can't even play, you can't play any music on a podcast? 279 00:11:40,420 --> 00:11:43,380 That they had some kind of trick, you know, 280 00:11:43,380 --> 00:11:45,740 paragraph somewhere in some law, 281 00:11:45,740 --> 00:11:48,220 some something that was passed in the middle of the night 282 00:11:48,580 --> 00:11:50,940 and that we couldn't play any music at all, you know, 283 00:11:50,940 --> 00:11:52,980 and that music would be outlawed, it would be illegal 284 00:11:52,980 --> 00:11:57,820 unless it was from Warner or Sony or EMI. 285 00:11:59,060 --> 00:12:00,260 My goodness. 286 00:12:00,260 --> 00:12:02,860 Save the my goodness for the next bit of feedback 287 00:12:02,860 --> 00:12:04,940 because I'll be the first to admit, 288 00:12:04,940 --> 00:12:07,340 I think I got a little bit carried away. 289 00:12:08,940 --> 00:12:12,940 Yeah, well, we'll just let it speak for itself, shall we? 290 00:12:12,940 --> 00:12:16,140 I think there's a reason why Adam snuck off 291 00:12:16,140 --> 00:12:19,540 to the Jaguar to reply to my next bit of feedback. 292 00:12:19,540 --> 00:12:22,420 So here we go, DSC 288. 293 00:12:22,420 --> 00:12:24,580 But right now I'm cruising on a country road, 294 00:12:24,580 --> 00:12:27,220 I don't have to worry about monitoring my speed, 295 00:12:27,220 --> 00:12:29,820 I'm safely behind the guy in front of me. 296 00:12:29,820 --> 00:12:32,540 I love it, man, this is awesome. 297 00:12:32,540 --> 00:12:34,420 So, well, all that's happening, 298 00:12:34,420 --> 00:12:37,460 why don't we go over to some feedback? 299 00:12:37,460 --> 00:12:41,060 Adam, Adam, Adam, it's Anthony again. 300 00:12:41,060 --> 00:12:41,900 Hey baby. 301 00:12:41,900 --> 00:12:44,140 Getting back to you, some feedback from today's show. 302 00:12:44,140 --> 00:12:46,820 Wow, I could hardly believe my ears. 303 00:12:46,820 --> 00:12:50,500 Right after Patricia claims you have the perfect cock, 304 00:12:50,500 --> 00:12:52,940 she props this for you from Warner's sex 305 00:12:52,940 --> 00:12:54,740 and you turn her down. 306 00:12:54,740 --> 00:12:57,700 Turn for having her come on your pod, shut it, chat. 307 00:12:57,700 --> 00:13:01,140 That's right, man, I care about the show. 308 00:13:01,140 --> 00:13:02,860 Come on, what is that? 309 00:13:02,860 --> 00:13:05,380 What has happened to our real pod father here? 310 00:13:05,380 --> 00:13:08,260 I mean, it's great you're dedicated, but honey, 311 00:13:08,260 --> 00:13:10,340 I think that's a little too dedicated. 312 00:13:10,340 --> 00:13:12,260 Time to enjoy the wine. 313 00:13:12,260 --> 00:13:13,100 Hey, don't worry, baby. 314 00:13:13,140 --> 00:13:14,980 Tap that ass later on, all right? 315 00:13:14,980 --> 00:13:17,300 Anyway, it brought to mind that one of your listeners 316 00:13:17,300 --> 00:13:19,420 emailed me the other day to say that he was ordering 317 00:13:19,420 --> 00:13:23,260 a copy of our new album, because it was so romantic. 318 00:13:23,260 --> 00:13:25,780 He thought it would put him in the mood with his lady friend. 319 00:13:25,780 --> 00:13:28,820 So I was thinking, maybe I should send Adam a copy 320 00:13:28,820 --> 00:13:31,500 of 3NZ to help put him in the mood with Patricia. 321 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:34,500 So, you know, give me the address 322 00:13:34,500 --> 00:13:36,540 and I'll look it up for you, baby. 323 00:13:36,540 --> 00:13:37,380 Oh, baby. 324 00:13:37,380 --> 00:13:38,220 You know what? 325 00:13:38,220 --> 00:13:39,220 This sounds like an emergency. 326 00:13:39,220 --> 00:13:41,180 Why don't I just send you one right now? 327 00:13:42,140 --> 00:13:44,980 It's a jazzy one, so I think Patricia and even Christina 328 00:13:44,980 --> 00:13:46,420 will like it. 329 00:13:46,420 --> 00:13:47,500 It's called a Bide. 330 00:13:47,500 --> 00:13:49,500 It's by Lo Sparles from 3NZ. 331 00:13:49,500 --> 00:13:52,300 And if you dig it, I could be persuaded to add it to the Pod 332 00:13:52,300 --> 00:13:54,060 Safe Music Network, just for you. 333 00:13:58,060 --> 00:14:00,340 This is lovely, Angie B. Thank you so much. 334 00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:02,700 Wish your ass was here getting warm on the seat next to me, 335 00:14:02,700 --> 00:14:03,200 honey. 336 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,680 Things are blind. 337 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:10,680 I'm climbing this path in the rain. 338 00:14:10,680 --> 00:16:41,040 [ Music ] 339 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:48,040 Let it pass away, pass away, pass away. 340 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,500 Love spirals, NGB, thank you so much, honey. 341 00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:53,700 I hope you do add that to the Pod Save Music Network. 342 00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:57,420 That would be fantastic if other people could play that. 343 00:16:57,420 --> 00:16:59,980 Very nice having you along for the ride today. 344 00:16:59,980 --> 00:17:01,260 Keep the feedback coming. 345 00:17:01,260 --> 00:17:02,780 I really appreciate it, NGB. 346 00:17:02,780 --> 00:17:05,300 Looking forward to more from you. 347 00:17:05,300 --> 00:17:07,260 That was almost a little bit too much excitement 348 00:17:07,260 --> 00:17:09,540 for a girl to take. 349 00:17:09,540 --> 00:17:12,260 Things kind of cooled down for a little bit between Adam 350 00:17:12,260 --> 00:17:16,900 and I and tell about DSC number 294 when he brought me 351 00:17:17,260 --> 00:17:20,220 completely out of the blue in the midst of a heated rant. 352 00:17:20,220 --> 00:17:24,300 The radio industry was already on its last legs, 353 00:17:24,300 --> 00:17:26,420 which arguably could have gone on forever, 354 00:17:26,420 --> 00:17:28,820 had, you know, had podcasting not arrived, 355 00:17:28,820 --> 00:17:32,420 had satellite radio not come in to threaten the scene. 356 00:17:32,420 --> 00:17:34,980 iPods in general, just people listening to music their way, 357 00:17:34,980 --> 00:17:37,180 being in control of their own programming. 358 00:17:38,260 --> 00:17:42,020 But they were consolidated and that's usually 359 00:17:42,020 --> 00:17:45,380 the last gasp of any industry is consolidation. 360 00:17:46,220 --> 00:17:48,900 So it's not really true there's only a couple of players. 361 00:17:48,900 --> 00:17:50,020 There are many players still, 362 00:17:50,020 --> 00:17:51,460 certainly on a global aspect, 363 00:17:51,460 --> 00:17:53,180 but in the United States there are a couple of players 364 00:17:53,180 --> 00:17:55,060 who own a shitload of frequencies. 365 00:17:55,060 --> 00:17:56,860 Same thing with the music business. 366 00:17:56,860 --> 00:17:59,500 They're consolidating, they're now really three 367 00:17:59,500 --> 00:18:03,980 big labels who work on the traditional models 368 00:18:03,980 --> 00:18:07,020 and who make up the RIAA and that's EMI, 369 00:18:07,020 --> 00:18:10,660 Sony and Warner, Warner Brothers, Time Warner. 370 00:18:10,660 --> 00:18:13,180 There's no more creativity left in that industry. 371 00:18:13,180 --> 00:18:15,340 I've been to Warner. 372 00:18:15,340 --> 00:18:17,500 I've been to Sony, not the EMI, 373 00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:19,380 but I've been to the two of the top three 374 00:18:19,380 --> 00:18:20,980 and the carpets are fraying. 375 00:18:20,980 --> 00:18:23,540 You know, it's all you see is suits and lawyers. 376 00:18:23,540 --> 00:18:25,340 There's no music blasting through the hallways. 377 00:18:25,340 --> 00:18:29,020 A very different scene than say only 10 years ago. 378 00:18:29,020 --> 00:18:33,340 So I think from the PodSafe artists I've spoken to, 379 00:18:33,340 --> 00:18:35,540 many of them have done the math and have figured out 380 00:18:35,540 --> 00:18:37,660 it just doesn't make any sense. 381 00:18:37,660 --> 00:18:40,900 Why would you want a mainstream record deal? 382 00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:43,260 You know, a big co-record deal. 383 00:18:43,260 --> 00:18:44,900 Why would you want that? 384 00:18:44,900 --> 00:18:46,820 You will probably sell more records 385 00:18:46,820 --> 00:18:51,180 if you are fortunate enough to be one of the small percentage 386 00:18:51,180 --> 00:18:52,980 that does actually become successful 387 00:18:52,980 --> 00:18:55,580 through the music business, through the system. 388 00:18:58,180 --> 00:19:02,580 But based upon, you know, selling it directly 389 00:19:02,580 --> 00:19:04,980 to the listener with help of all, you know, 390 00:19:04,980 --> 00:19:07,980 your own marketing places like MySpace 391 00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:12,140 but certainly with podcasts, you may sell less records 392 00:19:12,140 --> 00:19:14,380 but you'll probably make more money at the end of the day. 393 00:19:14,380 --> 00:19:16,940 You won't have to sue anyone over it. 394 00:19:16,940 --> 00:19:20,420 Won't be tied to the man and you'll own your shit. 395 00:19:20,420 --> 00:19:21,620 You own your own shit. 396 00:19:21,620 --> 00:19:22,660 You don't need it. 397 00:19:22,660 --> 00:19:23,860 I know plenty of pods. 398 00:19:23,860 --> 00:19:25,140 Here, the Love Spirals. 399 00:19:25,140 --> 00:19:26,500 They've sold 50,000 records. 400 00:19:26,500 --> 00:19:28,540 You know, Angie Bee who sends me those wonderful, 401 00:19:28,540 --> 00:19:32,780 wonderful throaty feedback comments. 402 00:19:34,620 --> 00:19:36,700 50,000 records. 403 00:19:36,700 --> 00:19:38,340 You know, this stuff really does work. 404 00:19:38,340 --> 00:19:42,980 I just don't think that you need to resort 405 00:19:43,020 --> 00:19:44,420 to the mainstream record companies. 406 00:19:44,420 --> 00:19:47,020 Now, there is something that's called the distribution deal. 407 00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:49,420 I think there's something very different with this. 408 00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:54,780 The distribution deal is, I think, very exciting. 409 00:19:54,780 --> 00:19:56,820 And that's, if someone offers you a distribution deal, 410 00:19:56,820 --> 00:19:58,380 you definitely should talk to them 411 00:19:58,380 --> 00:20:02,300 because that means they can get your CD into stores. 412 00:20:02,300 --> 00:20:05,940 This is what a lot of the smaller urban hip-hop 413 00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:09,100 R&B labels have with major companies. 414 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:10,340 And you know, look at them. 415 00:20:10,340 --> 00:20:11,700 Do you think those guys got some bling? 416 00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:13,100 Well, it's because they're doing it right 417 00:20:13,100 --> 00:20:14,300 because they got the money. 418 00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:15,620 And they, of course, they also take 419 00:20:15,620 --> 00:20:17,380 a whole bunch of risk associated with it 420 00:20:17,380 --> 00:20:22,380 because, you know, if you want to get your record played, 421 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:25,180 then you will be responsible 422 00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:26,580 for paying money to stations. 423 00:20:26,580 --> 00:20:28,420 And by the way, it's exactly how it happens. 424 00:20:28,420 --> 00:20:30,780 It goes through independent promotions companies, 425 00:20:30,780 --> 00:20:31,940 but, you know, you'll have to pay. 426 00:20:31,940 --> 00:20:35,140 Sony just settled the $10 million lawsuit in New York 427 00:20:35,140 --> 00:20:36,740 that Spitzer brought against them. 428 00:20:36,740 --> 00:20:37,900 They paid 10 million bucks 429 00:20:37,900 --> 00:20:39,740 because that's how it happens. 430 00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:42,060 There is absolute payola. 431 00:20:42,060 --> 00:20:45,700 You know, you'll have to go and suck some, 432 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:50,020 you know, what over at BET and MTV and VH1 433 00:20:50,020 --> 00:20:52,700 and any other music channel, video channel. 434 00:20:52,700 --> 00:20:53,700 You have to make your own video. 435 00:20:53,700 --> 00:20:54,940 You'll have to pay for it. 436 00:20:54,940 --> 00:20:56,180 I think it's fricking worth it. 437 00:20:56,180 --> 00:21:00,060 By the way, I think that there will be a collaboration 438 00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:03,260 very soon between one or more pod safe music artists 439 00:21:03,260 --> 00:21:04,860 and video bloggers who will, you know, 440 00:21:04,860 --> 00:21:07,300 start to work with the art and the skills 441 00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:08,500 that they're honing right now 442 00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:10,860 and create fantastic music videos 443 00:21:10,860 --> 00:21:12,660 that we'll be able to enjoy online. 444 00:21:12,660 --> 00:21:13,820 There's plenty of communities 445 00:21:13,820 --> 00:21:16,540 that trade music videos, watch them. 446 00:21:16,540 --> 00:21:19,540 I'm really expecting some big things from it. 447 00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:23,980 Oh man. 448 00:21:23,980 --> 00:21:26,100 Yeah, he's tired after that. 449 00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:29,900 Boy, virile, very virile, completely making up 450 00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:31,940 for the lapse with Patricia. 451 00:21:31,940 --> 00:21:33,580 So of course I got back to him 452 00:21:33,580 --> 00:21:37,180 and this is our chat on DSC 296. 453 00:21:37,180 --> 00:21:41,260 And meanwhile, back at the ranch, here, 454 00:21:41,260 --> 00:21:44,700 we've got my favorite, Angie B. 455 00:21:44,700 --> 00:21:46,660 Welcome back to California, Adam. 456 00:21:46,660 --> 00:21:50,620 It's Angie B. with some feedback from DSC number 294. 457 00:21:50,620 --> 00:21:52,180 It was really sweet of you to mention 458 00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:53,980 Love Spirals is an indie success story 459 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:55,900 and I really appreciate that. 460 00:21:55,900 --> 00:21:58,420 But as comic strip blogger pointed out 461 00:21:58,420 --> 00:22:00,460 in the comments of curry.com, 462 00:22:00,460 --> 00:22:02,300 yeah, our CDs were done. 463 00:22:02,300 --> 00:22:03,500 Wait a minute. 464 00:22:03,540 --> 00:22:04,380 Angie. 465 00:22:06,380 --> 00:22:08,620 Now we're talking about comic strip blogger 466 00:22:08,620 --> 00:22:10,500 in our little love messaging. 467 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:12,820 Oh no, no, no, I think we're going off track here. 468 00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:14,780 We were definitely sold before podcasting. 469 00:22:14,780 --> 00:22:17,540 In fact, much of them before MP3s 470 00:22:17,540 --> 00:22:19,580 and a lot of them before the internet. 471 00:22:19,580 --> 00:22:22,180 Yeah, some were actually released on cassette 472 00:22:22,180 --> 00:22:24,900 and they were all released on the indie label project. 473 00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:27,340 So I just wanted to give them their props. 474 00:22:27,340 --> 00:22:29,380 Now I joined the band in 1999 475 00:22:30,340 --> 00:22:34,140 and began a lot of online promotions, 476 00:22:34,140 --> 00:22:36,620 created MP3s, put them up 477 00:22:36,620 --> 00:22:38,940 and I started internet radio station 478 00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:41,220 and just explored all the new avenues 479 00:22:41,220 --> 00:22:42,500 that were coming into being 480 00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:44,860 at that really exciting time. 481 00:22:44,860 --> 00:22:48,180 Until eventually I realized that we could do 482 00:22:48,180 --> 00:22:50,780 most of what the label currently does for their bands 483 00:22:50,780 --> 00:22:53,260 in today's radically changed musical environment. 484 00:22:53,260 --> 00:22:54,700 I mean, everything is so different 485 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:57,540 from when Ryan first started the band. 486 00:22:57,540 --> 00:22:59,260 So that's why this year 487 00:22:59,260 --> 00:23:02,460 we decided to put out our CD completely independently 488 00:23:02,460 --> 00:23:04,260 on our own label. 489 00:23:04,260 --> 00:23:05,420 And it's really exciting 490 00:23:05,420 --> 00:23:07,940 but coming from an old school background like that, 491 00:23:07,940 --> 00:23:09,420 you know, we have some questions 492 00:23:09,420 --> 00:23:11,180 as to whether some of the new inventions 493 00:23:11,180 --> 00:23:12,820 are really better than the old standards 494 00:23:12,820 --> 00:23:13,780 that we're used to 495 00:23:13,780 --> 00:23:16,260 and wondering which way we should go 496 00:23:16,260 --> 00:23:18,900 and you seem like a really great source for advice. 497 00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:22,580 I'm really looking forward to the full launch of PMN. 498 00:23:22,580 --> 00:23:24,540 You can definitely include Love Sparles 499 00:23:24,540 --> 00:23:26,540 in your digital sales experiment. 500 00:23:26,540 --> 00:23:28,340 We'll be right there with you, baby. 501 00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:31,180 And I'm hoping that you will help us pick out 502 00:23:31,180 --> 00:23:33,020 the new song from Free and Easy 503 00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:34,820 to add to PMN next week. 504 00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:35,740 So get back to me. 505 00:23:35,740 --> 00:23:36,900 Tell me which one you like. 506 00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:38,420 It's always great to talk to you. 507 00:23:38,420 --> 00:23:40,420 You know, I love your throaty voice too, baby. 508 00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:41,260 Oh, baby. 509 00:23:41,260 --> 00:23:42,100 I got your envelope. 510 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:42,940 Thank you very much. 511 00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:44,500 And thank you very much for the CD 512 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:45,980 and the personal note. 513 00:23:45,980 --> 00:23:48,740 And I will certainly, 514 00:23:48,740 --> 00:23:51,220 I've been playing the CD here in the condo 515 00:23:51,220 --> 00:23:53,380 and I need to hear all the songs a couple of times 516 00:23:53,380 --> 00:23:55,500 and I'll tell you what I like. 517 00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:58,300 Yeah, I like them all, obviously. 518 00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:00,740 And by the way, the panties really smelled nice. 519 00:24:00,740 --> 00:24:02,460 I would like to take this opportunity 520 00:24:02,460 --> 00:24:04,780 to publicly refute the accusation 521 00:24:04,780 --> 00:24:07,260 that I sent Adam Curry my panties. 522 00:24:07,260 --> 00:24:08,460 I did no such thing. 523 00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:09,980 Dream on, Adam. 524 00:24:09,980 --> 00:24:12,980 But of course, I couldn't stay mad at Adam for long. 525 00:24:12,980 --> 00:24:14,260 And before you know it, 526 00:24:14,260 --> 00:24:19,100 I was back at it with a little more feedback on DSC325. 527 00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:20,940 And now, I guarantee you, 528 00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:23,380 it's going to be an extra super long show 529 00:24:23,380 --> 00:24:25,460 because we've got all kinds of feedback 530 00:24:25,460 --> 00:24:27,820 from all of my favorite people, 531 00:24:28,260 --> 00:24:31,740 and RGB with some feedback on DSC number 324. 532 00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:35,260 So about this whole splits thing. 533 00:24:35,260 --> 00:24:37,740 The car snader was definitely right. 534 00:24:37,740 --> 00:24:41,060 Artists have traditionally made pennies on the dollar 535 00:24:41,060 --> 00:24:42,260 with music. 536 00:24:42,260 --> 00:24:44,220 In fact, we still do. 537 00:24:44,220 --> 00:24:47,060 Love Sparles is signed up with 538 00:24:47,060 --> 00:24:49,420 just about every one of those digital music stores out. 539 00:24:49,420 --> 00:24:51,940 They're all the majors, iTunes, Rhapsody, MusicNet, 540 00:24:51,940 --> 00:24:55,780 MSN, Music, Napster, Sony Connect, yada, yada, yada. 541 00:24:55,780 --> 00:25:00,780 And the amount that we make ranges from two cents to 86 cents. 542 00:25:01,660 --> 00:25:04,060 There's no standards. 543 00:25:04,060 --> 00:25:07,740 So, you know, but we're happy to get whatever we do 544 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:10,340 because, you know, if you normally make a dollar 545 00:25:10,340 --> 00:25:15,020 something per CD, making two cents to 86 cents per song 546 00:25:15,020 --> 00:25:16,700 is actually pretty awesome. 547 00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:19,140 So I think people should chill out 548 00:25:19,140 --> 00:25:23,460 and not be splitting hairs on how much money 549 00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:25,780 they're gonna be making from PMN downloads 550 00:25:25,780 --> 00:25:27,740 because it's all good, isn't it? 551 00:25:27,740 --> 00:25:28,580 It's all good. 552 00:25:28,580 --> 00:25:31,780 And GB, I love it when you send voice feedback to me. 553 00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:32,980 I love it so much. 554 00:25:32,980 --> 00:25:35,660 Now honestly, who could resist that? 555 00:25:35,660 --> 00:25:38,220 And he puts up with all my self promotion too. 556 00:25:38,220 --> 00:25:40,020 Gee, what a swell guy. 557 00:25:40,020 --> 00:25:43,060 And just a few shows later on DSC 328, 558 00:25:43,060 --> 00:25:44,660 he surprised me yet again. 559 00:25:44,660 --> 00:25:45,860 Justin, I wanna do it today. 560 00:25:45,860 --> 00:25:49,820 Just in case I'm not able to get out of show 561 00:25:49,820 --> 00:25:51,700 because of travel or whatever. 562 00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:52,780 I'm gonna go see my mom, right? 563 00:25:52,780 --> 00:25:53,860 Told you that. 564 00:25:53,860 --> 00:25:57,260 I want to say a very, very happy birthday 565 00:25:57,260 --> 00:26:01,260 to my long-distance lover on the podcast, NGB. 566 00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:06,260 I like the picture you sent. 567 00:26:11,460 --> 00:26:15,460 It's love spirals, love survives. 568 00:26:16,250 --> 00:27:42,700 [ Music ] 569 00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:49,200 Love's so long, in your mind 570 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,700 It's so long 571 00:27:50,700 --> 00:28:00,700 This kind of reminds me of the early, early days of the, the new millennium in Amsterdam with the chill, trip-hop 572 00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:14,700 Hmm, that's love spirals, love survives, you can find links to that song and just about everything else you hear on the daily source code at the PodSafeMusicNetworkmusic.podshow.com 573 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:23,700 Sweet, but of course the very best surprise of all was announced on DSC number 354 574 00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:31,700 And let us continue here on the Charlie, we have some new additions to the PodShoe family, this is one of my girlfriends 575 00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:35,700 Yes, just listen to this voice man, we'll drive you nuts 576 00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:45,700 The newest member of the podcast delivery network, there's none other than me, Angie B, hostess of the brand new ChillCast 577 00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:56,700 Sit back, relax, let me soothe you and groove you with the silky smooth mix of independent music that's just right for chilling 578 00:28:56,700 --> 00:29:06,700 From down tempo to deep house, trip-hop to dream-pop, electro lounge to old-school jazz, you're sure to hear something that really sets a mood for relaxation 579 00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:10,700 So grab a bottle of wine and listen with a friend 580 00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:15,700 Come check it out at ChillCast.podshow.com 581 00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:25,700 Angie B, ladies and gentlemen, from the love spirals, friend of the daily source code, now a PodShoe podcast network member, the ChillCast 582 00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:29,700 I cranked up episode 4 last night here in the condo, it was just great 583 00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:39,700 I can really get into the Chill vibe, particularly when you have Angie B with their sultry dulcet tones rambling through my MM50 speakers 584 00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:41,700 Angie, good to have you aboard 585 00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:46,700 There you have it, that's my little stroll down memory lane 586 00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:49,700 I hope it was as good for you as it was for me 587 00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:55,700 PodShoe, the best podcast a man can get