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Everybody welcome to DevCast Number 2.

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It's Adam here at the Curry Cottage, just south of London.

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And it's good to see that we've got a couple hundred developers, I presume most of

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you are a developer, so we're subscribed to the DevCast.

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This podcast will actually contain a golden ticket, so if you receive one and you'll

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know and I'll let you know exactly where that will happen, because you of course may not

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get one.

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But if you two then you're in and we're going to get you up and running and working on

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Pod Show Plus and the podcast that we network ASAP.

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On the Skype now from Pod Show HQ and San Francisco, Kevin Ostrowski, known as K-O or K-1,

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how you doing buddy?

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Not too bad, how you been?

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We missed you out here.

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I miss you guys too, it's been the longest time we've been a part honey.

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I know we've been growing, there's some people that have even met you.

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I keep seeing the introduction emails, hey, welcome so on, so welcome and I, oh man.

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So yeah, do we have enough seats and chairs and tables left?

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We've got one extra desk, but they were all just put in last week, so we're running

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out quicker than we can to get them.

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Oh crap, well if you guys need to use my office, you know where it is, just follow the

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smoke trail.

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Oh, by the way, happy for 20.

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Yeah, happy for 20 back at you, my friend.

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That's right.

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It's 420 somewhere in the world.

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I did, you know, I'm a complete idiot, it is indeed for, well, by the time this air

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is probably will be 421, but the all developers know that or is it only the developers

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who smoke, who understand that?

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I think it's a pretty common for the common, so Kevin, why don't you give us a little

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bit of background about yourself, and because I don't think we've really talked about that

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a lot, you know, where you were before Pod Show and why the heck you joined this band

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of freaks?

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Well, I used to work at a company called Signature Network, which is the leading music

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merchandising company on the web, core business that I was selling t-shirts, around the

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online side of that developed a fan club system that is used to this day still on youtube.com,

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kiss online, we did a site from Adana, Britney Spears, all these pop stars that I don't

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really care for.

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Yeah, all your type of music, right?

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It's right up your alley.

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It's all rocking out.

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Did you meet any of them?

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The only person I met was Sammy Hager, which was actually kind of cool.

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He's pretty cool.

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I've met him a couple.

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He's a good guy.

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Yeah, he seems all right.

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In fact, he was the guy that convinced me I should go work for MTV, I met him over in Holland

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and I said, yeah, MTV called me and said, oh dude, you should totally do that, that's right.

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And this of course was early 80s, right?

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So when MTV was still playing music, it's still cool, so right on.

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So you were doing that, how did we find you?

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Did you find us?

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I can't really remember.

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Oh, I was recommended by one of my old bosses at Signatures to come on over and work

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here and you guys gave me an offer I couldn't refuse here.

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Who was that person?

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I got to go thank you.

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I got to go thank you.

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John Bellistery?

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I think you know.

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Oh, all right.

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No, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I understand the connection.

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It was funny, we had like a Friday celebration, our food bar Friday and it was really cool

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because I was dialed in through the eye chat, so I could see what was going on.

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And we brought up a picture of the very first, you know, early days when we were right

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in South Park on when we really had the official podcast, Ali Office, where the homeless

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people were pooping in the back in the alley there.

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The good old days.

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And you know, when we started out, and I think we, I talked about this on daily source

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code not too long ago, we really were planning to do something of a much smaller scale

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podcasts, and it's really been snowballing ever since then.

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really simple, we've actually turned a lot of our attention towards the audience.

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Yeah, we're really gearing stuff up for the listeners themselves, letting people connect

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with other people, letting them connect with the podcasters and eventually artists.

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So come a long way, the few months.

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really bringing all these pieces together, what have we, how long have we been working

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Eight nine months.

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That's September.

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So, dude.

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So, uh, are we ready to release yet, Kevin?

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Can we get this?

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I'm ready to push the button any time I get the okay, so we're getting really closely.

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A few months to look forward to.

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Once or twice a day, I'll push up some stuff.

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So, so yesterday we talked with, uh, with Andrew Grummit, uh, a little bit about, uh, the developers

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program that we'll have going on, and, but you really kind of blew us away, you know,

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early on with the whole concept of the modules, uh, in podshow plus, which is, uh, something

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that's going to be complete, audience controlled.

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So, uh, what, why don't you, uh, tell us a bit about the modules and some of the stuff

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that the developers will be, uh, be able to work on first, the stuff that you would work

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on because, you know, it really is your brain child.

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Oh, the way that the modules basically work are, they're just little widgets, so to speak,

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that, uh, let you put in whatever code you'd like, and, uh, people can add them to their

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profile page, they can move around, they can add more modules, they can remove their modules,

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they can, you know, change the color of the page, kind of, give the actual users complete

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control over how they want to develop their own, their own profile page, uh, and this applies

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to both shows and to the listeners themselves, um, so, while there is a ton of, uh, podshow

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exclusive modules that tap into, you know, the different features of the pdn and podshow

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plus, um, there's also third party modules, uh, like, for instance, uh, bringing in your flicker

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pictures, uh, bringing in your delicious links, uh, weather modules, all kinds of third party

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stuff that are just, uh, let you customize and really make your site, what you want it to be.

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Now, these, um, you said something interesting there because we, we do have a lot of APIs,

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which will be publishing and all kinds of stuff that ties in, you know, um, you know, one ties into

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the other, of course, we actually have a whole entity out there, the pod save music network

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going to be tying that in as well. Um, will developers be able to, uh, work on some of that stuff

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as well, or, you know, will it, will it be a place where they can, uh, ideate and, and work on ideas

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of, of integration of existing podshow stuff? That's definitely planned. Uh, this first SDK release

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is, uh, really limited to third party, uh, applications and bringing in content, uh, but I'm definitely

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planning on opening up some of the, the core functionality of the PDN, letting people get in there

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and do stuff with our show data, our user data, um, and really, you know, actually extend

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podshow plus, uh, completely. Excellent. Hold on, hold on a second, Kevin. Oh, oh my gosh. Oh,

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that, uh, up. I just saw a golden ticket swoosh by saw a couple of them go. So, if you didn't

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hear about 30 seconds of me telling you how to get in, then you didn't win. I'm sorry.

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Ah, some lucky developers are already registering as we speak. So, um,

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what is your involvement going to be in, um, in, in this process, Kevin, uh, you know,

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Andrew's really going to be managing, I think, a lot of the, um, the, uh, the source for

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project, whatever we're going to use for it. Now, I see tons of comments on, uh, the dev cast, uh,

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show site. What, what are you going to be doing? And will you be accessible to the, to developers

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who have questions? Uh, I definitely will be, uh, you can reach me at Kevin at podshow.com. If you have

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any specific technical questions, uh, I'm really the guy that is behind the SDK and the code in the,

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in podshow plus. So, I'd be the best person to contact on that. Um, my time's pretty limited. So,

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I can't guarantee I'll get back here right away, but I definitely welcome feedback questions,

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comments. Uh, you can cost me out if you want to. That's all cool with me. Oh, excellent way.

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That was Kevin at podshow. I said, right that down for the cursing. Uh, so who else, um,

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of the dev team should we have next up in the dev cast? I mean, there's so, so many different

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moving, you know, parts to this that, you know, and as you said, there's even employees that I haven't

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met yet in the time that I've been back in, uh, in the UK, who, who should we have on next and

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how will that pertain to the, uh, to the developers who are coming in? Wow, that's a, that's a

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tough one. Yeah, everybody's doing such cool stuff. Um, you know, we have, uh, saw who's really

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gearing up our search technologies, uh, letting, letting us expand beyond, uh, you know, normal,

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PHP, my sequel, text indexing, uh, brought in a, uh, new guy Kurt, who's just really been kicking

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some ass on, uh, on a lyrics system. Um, we brought a, a Gavin from a, from tag.com. He's,

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Oh, Gavin? Gavin's Gavin's in? Oh, that's cool. Yes, Gavin is in. He's been here for a couple

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weeks now. Oh, shit. No, I know, because I personally, uh, and, you know, I call them a couple times,

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uh, trying to convince him to come and work for us, and I think he, he, like, lost his cell phone or

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something. I was really bombed, and then, you know, just as I was leaving, we got, we got, we got in touch

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again. So he's in. That's fantastic. Good. Okay. He's, he's working on our back and admin stuff,

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which is going to be really cool. Give us a lot of flexibility and control. So I'm,

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there's, there's all kinds of people here that you, you should be talking to, not just me.

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How about, how about Erin? I, I'd love to talk to Erin because she's, she, she is so trippy, man. I love,

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I love it. I love what she's doing. She's, she's great. She's, uh, definitely a trip to work with,

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but, uh, man, she's a smarker. And she's, uh, our, our DBA, or she's our DBA, and she's also heads up

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our, um, IT department, essentially, uh, but really focusing on the DBA work and working with a

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rack space, our managed hosting solution to make sure our servers are off and running.

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Excellent. And, uh, and doing a good job, except, uh, there's a little hiccup last night on the

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PMN. Yeah. What, uh, I got, like, ton of emails this morning. Oh, man, something's gone wrong.

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I can't, and I'll tell you, I was about to do my show and really bummed me out. I'm like,

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I can't, I can't get any songs. It was really, it was horrible. It was like,

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but some wiki got set up and it bogged everything down or something like that.

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Um, it was a combination of that. And I think there's a patch applied to a patchy, that didn't

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take so well, so we've rolled everything back and things should be good now. So I apologize to all

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the people that needed to get to it. No, I think everyone understands. And, you know, but it's,

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I hope there's also a couple of, you know, maybe non-developers who are listening because now you

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really start to understand how much work goes into doing this. You know, when, when you hear how

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many people are on it and all the different issues. And of course, we're, we're actually scaling

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internally pretty quickly, you know, just on podshow plus and the pdm, we've got a lot of shows.

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We've got a lot of users in there. Of course, you know, all of our, um, uh, a lot of the podcasters

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that we, that we met at the portable media expo, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's really kind of growing

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all in, uh, simultaneously. Yeah, definitely. I'm Richard's been doing a great job of bringing

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in some good quality shows. Um, and I see the, I see the sign-up emails coming by my inbox

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almost daily if us bringing in these shows and letting them actually use the tools and, you know,

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put it out into their feed currently, uh, I'd like to turn it on. So, you know, people could start

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using the podshow plus feeds, but I mean, it's great to see people actually using parts of it.

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That's a lot of good feedback. That's a question I actually had is, um, will, will be able to

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selectively turn on some of the show sites before everything is, is publicly available?

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Um, not necessarily entire show site, but, um, we could start slowly exposed the, you know, the

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XML, uh, start with that, and then maybe just open up the listener side without, you know,

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it's up the registrations. I mean, there's a lot of stuff we can do to kind of slowly ramp up

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and get people in there and isn't it? But, uh, you know, opening the floodgates is an out of the

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question either. So, uh, as he throws down the gauntlet, I love it. I love it. All right, dude,

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well, listen, I don't want to keep you too much longer. Um, I'm going to get in touch with, uh,

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I just saw a mail coming from Andrew, so I guess we can get this when I'll set up for those

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golden tickets that just flew by. And, um, um, maybe just to tell, uh, tell, if you don't mind

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tell Aaron that I'd love to talk with her tomorrow, if she has time, just to get your insights into

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what she's been doing, because that database stuff. That's like, that's art, man. That's not

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science. That's fucking art. No, that is an art form. But, uh, guys, go over real quick what this

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SDK is going to, yes, please. So, yeah, let people know what they expect. Um, and basically,

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it's just a lightweight framework. Um, we'll be providing a first that, you know, we'll just

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basically let people say preference data to start. So, you know, it's, it's really small lightweight.

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You get a single class with some helper functions. Um, we do use the script calculus, uh,

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JavaScript framework, so Ajax all over the place is cool with us. Um, and since this is

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really just, uh, PHP, straight PHP coding, um, you know, all of our modules are going to have to be

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reviewed and analyzed and make sure that nobody's trying to hack into us kind of thing. But, um,

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I mean, I've been trying for months. What are you talking about? It's really, it's really flexible.

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I mean, it's really just a blank slate for people to, to create on, um, you know, the actual SDK itself

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will provide you with starting points, um, you know, you enter your module name. It'll create

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based off of a base template to get you started. So, you don't have to reinvent the wheel there.

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But then it's really up to the, the developer. And this time goes on, we'll be adding, you know,

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supporting classes to let you tap into our shows and our, and our users. So,

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look forward for some really cool stuff. And, uh, you know, you'll have lots of control over

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what your module stays. So, so, you said, you only mentioned PHP. Does that mean that if I have

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even, uh, a working knowledge of PHP that I can participate and I can try and create a module,

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is it something that will eventually, you know, that anyone can do this if they, you're like,

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on my space, right? They've, you know, my daughter is now hacking up HTML, um, yeah, and, and she's

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figured out how to change something so she can hide her comments. Yeah, it's pretty basic stuff.

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But, I mean, will we get to the point where it, where, you know, even someone like that,

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can, can create a module? Absolutely. I mean, you can make a module that's just a simple

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hello world module, or you can build a full application. It's really what your work knowledge

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is. On the other side, that's time goes on. We'll be releasing a client-side SDK as well.

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That'll let developers use, you know, just JavaScript, uh, XML, and, uh, it's a VHDML.

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And, and that will be instant, you know, you'll be able to just basically send a module

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to the developer friend and have them install it. But that's, that's some time out, um, as, you

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know, we prep up for launch. I've got, uh, lots of other things to worry about. Yeah, I hear you.

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Right here. Busy, busy, busy, busy, right? I'll code no sleep. That's my model. Yeah, I'm sending

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some mountain do your way. Sweet. All right, Kevin. Dude, cool. All right, thank you very much.

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And, uh, we'll check in sometime next week and, uh, just, see how's everything's going on.

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Keep these, these dev cast relatively short. So I'm going to take too much of any one's time.

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And, uh, say hi to everyone at, uh, at HQ for me. I will. I'll tell Aaron to expect a call for me.

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All right. Yes. So, uh, around the same time tomorrow. Sounds good. All right, buddy. Thanks,

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like, Kevin. Take it easy. Okay, but bye, bye, bye. There you go. Get this podcast and more great ones

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