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Well, hey, everybody. How are you doing?

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It's time for devcast number five.

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And, well, it's going to be a pretty special one

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because we've got a lot of things to talk about.

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I'm here at the cottage in Guilford.

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UK time. It is Friday night.

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And I'm just giving up a little bit of my Friday night,

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but all the way on the other side of the globe,

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we've got two guys who are giving up their Fubar Friday,

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which has it already started?

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Are people already drinking there in San Francisco?

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I see a couple people appear, so I'm getting thirsty.

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It keeps starting earlier and earlier.

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Have you noticed that?

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I kind of encourage it.

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So we've got Kevin and Andrew at PodShow HQ.

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How's it going, guys?

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Going good.

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Doing great.

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I got to tell you, I can't wait to be out there next week

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to see you guys again. I need some hugs.

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It's been a while, hasn't it?

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Hey, G, Andrew.

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Let me step aside for the enthusiasm, okay?

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Just listening up here for the live audio, that's all.

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Okay, yeah. No, don't worry about it.

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So it's been a pretty interesting couple of devcasts that we've had,

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and we actually had a couple of hiccups,

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not with the cast or necessarily with us,

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but being able to get everything up and running on the schedule

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that we had anticipated for the developers coming into PodShow Plus

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and the PDN and into the developer program.

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A lot of it had to do with the setup of, I guess, our CVS,

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or Andrew, you want to take that and just tell me what happened there?

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So we wanted to get our code into a form that was easily downloadable

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and any contributions also easily downloadable.

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and a day went by in two days and three.

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but we thought it would just be much better to get it out there

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and kind of in the community spirit.

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Yeah, we just decided, hey, we're going to set it up ourselves.

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and we even logged a ticket.

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explaining that they had a meltdown in their infrastructure

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with their CVS.

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and tracked, and I was literally getting ready to press the button

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SourceForge came through.

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more current version of version control.

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and it handles tagging and conflicts better

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and just all around easier to use

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which is always a good thing.

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This is actually the tip of the spear.

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Really, we're leading here.

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I just want to say that at any moment during this podcast

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that you can be issued a golden ticket,

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which will give you access not only to...

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Well, actually, it will give you access to PodShow Plus

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and to the PDN, the podcast delivery network.

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the Software Developers Kit.

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Is that what it is?

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SDK Software Developers Kit?

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The actual wording we're using

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is PodShow Plus Module SDK.

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Oh, cool.

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Can we add advanced network analysis language to that?

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Oh, okay, there you go.

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tell me about it.

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we have an FAQ setup

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which links to the software download from SourceForge

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and has a growing list of what you'd expect

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common questions and answers.

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And it will certainly put more up

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as more email comes in.

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The contact point for all of this will be

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and we'll just add to the list as more questions come in.

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Fantastic.

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Hold on a second, guys. It's that time.

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Hold on.

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Whoops. Is it happening?

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Is it happening?

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Congratulations. You won a golden ticket.

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Guys, this is a golden ticket winner

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which means we got to give out the information

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on how to get into PodShow Plus.

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Sounds good to me.

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Yeah, it's supposed to be exciting, the golden ticket, guys.

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This is the coveted golden ticket.

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Congratulations.

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I can hear a smattering of applause there in San Francisco.

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Okay, where does the winner who is hearing this

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right now in devcast number 5,

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where does the winner go to get in?

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We know how to get to the SDK.

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How does this person get into the beta site?

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You want to immediately minimize all your windows

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and go to pdnbeta.podshow.com.

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You want to stand on one leg.

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You want to praise Murphy.

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You want to knock on wood, minimize all windows.

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And we're going where?

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pdnbeta.podshow.com.

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So that's Papa Delta, November, Bravo Echo Tango,

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alpha.podshow.com.

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You're going to be greeted with a nice little login box

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and you're going to want to put in PodShow Dev

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and st1ck.1t as your password.

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So that's Sierra Tango, one Charlie Kilo, decimal one Tango.

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Correct.

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But you want to stay tuned.

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You can minimize some windows,

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but keep listening to the devcast,

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because we're not quite done yet.

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And for those of you who didn't hear anything,

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just in the last second,

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all you heard was like a second of silence,

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we're sorry.

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Better luck next time, yeah.

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have we seen any cool modules

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that was working on some cool stuff?

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Oh, boy, Adam, I might get this wrong.

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You have to correct me.

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Tomas Salfishburger.

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Salfishburger.

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That's cool.

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Yeah, it's very cool.

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about where to go with that,

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in some interesting way.

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and just talk about what their experiences are

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would that make sense to do that?

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of golden tickets this time around,

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We've got the Gmail account as a point of contact.

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I'm pretty happy to give, actually,

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in terms of just if you need to IM somebody.

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You can certainly send me an IM.

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It's AE Grummit on Skype.

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I'll try to get back on there and be available.

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Here's a cool idea for a module.

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Could you make a...

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Maybe you could make a module

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that if you'd like someone's podcast,

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you could send them Linden Dollars in Second Life.

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How cool would that be?

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You could tip them.

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You could tip them right there on Potchoplus.

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If they have an interface, it's totally doable.

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I read in their docs.

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Unless you guys have anything for me.

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There will be more as well.

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We're really excited to get this first one out.

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So, maybe a question for Kevin.

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Now that we're letting in the substantial amount of developers,

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how far off are we from a public beta release?

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That's all I can say right now.

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Very close.

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Standing on one foot, knocking on wood here, praising Murphy.

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I'm ready for it.

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I'm very ready for it.

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anything technically you could send my way

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at kevinatpodshow.com.

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Like I said in the last devcast,

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it's not always easy for me to get back to you,

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but I've been getting some great feedback from people

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that have already been in.

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So, hey, and praise is always good too.

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Nothing better than...

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Send all the negative shit to me, will ya?

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I'm used to it.

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It's not a problem.

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Also, for the devcast, it would be kind of cool

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if you're listening right now and you're thinking,

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hey, maybe I could contribute.

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You can use the voicemail feedback numbers

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in New Jersey 201-625-6357 or in London.

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Do we have any UK developers in?

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Have we seen any people from the UK show up yet?

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Not that I identified themselves as such.

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it's just maybe London is a handier number for you to call.

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020-7681-3753.

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All right, guys.

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Thank you very much for taking the time.

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And, well, I'm excited because, you know,

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obviously I don't see a lot of the developer stuff

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other than what's on the developer pages

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and I'm not into subversion.

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Well, privately, but not in the technical space.

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But that's for another show with Patricia.

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But it is kind of cool to see all these people show up

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on Pod Show Plus.

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That's kind of cool.

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All new faces and comments and all kinds of stuff going on.

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So I dig it a lot.

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It's very cool.

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So have yourselves a great Fubar Friday.

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Say hi to everybody and I'll see you guys

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in person next week in San Francisco.

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Sounds good.

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Stuff next weekend.

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Okay, guys.

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Take care.

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Have a great weekend and talk to you soon.

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All right.

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Bye-bye.

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Later.

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Bye.

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