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Hey everybody, welcome to Devcast number six coming to you from San Francisco, California.

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First time we've actually done the Devcast outside of the United Kingdom,

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but I feel very, very close now.

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In fact, if I threw a rock, I could probably hit Andrew Gromit's head.

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Hey, how you doing, Adam?

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Hey, Andrew. Are you at the office now?

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I am.

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Well, good morning to you, sir.

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Good morning.

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It is Friday and our Devcast has been a couple weeks.

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We threw out a bevy, a veritable cornucopia of golden tickets last time we did the show.

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How many did we actually hand out? How many were claimed? Do you know Andrew offhand?

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It was certainly into the hundreds.

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Excellent.

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And most of these people are actually on and signed up and doing stuff and creating stuff, right?

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Yeah, that's right.

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And from what I hear from Sue, there's this continuing trickle of additional people in.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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You don't mean to say that people have passed on their passwords and stuff?

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Oh, phrases, do you think?

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They wouldn't possibly do that.

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Developers aren't like that now, are they?

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Yeah, they're decent, honest people.

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So we are getting very close to our public beta of PodShow Plus and the podcast delivery network.

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And of those hundreds of developers who now in who've received golden tickets and who are beta testing and bang in the system

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and also creating modules for PodShow Plus and what that means.

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Well, if you're not a developer and a listener, you just have to wait.

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We should do screenshots, Andrew.

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Hey, that's a great idea.

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I'll throw some up maybe as follow on posts on the developer site.

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That'd be cool.

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So what are we seeing?

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What kind of activity have we seen from the developers on putting together modules for PodShow Plus?

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There's been some interesting ones to come in.

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We've got probably the first one was Tomas' Google search module.

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And we'll introduce Tomas in a second.

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We've also seen some modules that expose presence information on various instant messaging networks.

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And that was actually pretty cool to see.

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But actually, that's actually part of one of our own modules, our contact info module.

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Clearly, people are sort of picking up on what we intended, which was not just to allow you to paste in some text,

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but also to do things that are sort of web aware and sort of connected to the world out there.

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Web 2.0, dude.

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Yeah, you know, I was trying to shy away from that.

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I could hear your brain working.

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He wants to say it, but he's never going to say it.

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All right, so it would have been, actually it would have been even cooler if I was in the UK,

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because we would have three continents.

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We would have had three land masses connected together, coming to us now from...

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Is it Hauda in the Netherlands, Tomas?

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Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we have Tomas on Skype.

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It's funny, Andrew, because you say Tomas, kind of like the Spanish pronunciation.

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But it's Tomas.

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I think it's Tomas, or is it Tomas?

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What is it Tomas, Tomas, Tomas?

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Oh, it's just Tomas.

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Okay, see, I knew it.

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Okay, so I emphasis on the first syllable there.

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So Tomas is a developer in the Netherlands.

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Are you a freelance developer?

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Do you work for a company?

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What's your situation?

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I'm a high school student, or have been for the last six years.

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And I'm now heading towards a study at the University of Uweg, Informatic Computer Science.

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That's right, university next course.

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I heard final years yesterday.

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but how did you hear about podcasting?

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I think it was before, was it for devcast?

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You may want to try this.

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I think I reversed DNSed it and figured out who you are even.

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It's a friendly hacker.

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Ah, you can't escape the wrath of Grummit.

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My last name is also my domain name, which is why you find out pretty quickly.

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We'll do it every single time.

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and we got him in on the beta program, and he's been working on some stuff.

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You want to tell us what you've been doing there, Tomas?

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the way that Tomas was thinking.

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that has been ongoing for almost a year now.

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It's not just for podcasters.

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It's for pod safe music artists.

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It's for people who are creative in all walks of life.

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but I was in the meeting, was it yesterday or the day before?

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and he was taking us through this really cool module

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that he's been working on for us.

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And Andrew, you've been managing that process?

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Yeah, right.

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So, I don't know how much detail we want to go into.

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Oh, sorry, I missed that last bit.

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but just a little bit will be cool.

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that we'd been on and wouldn't be great if we had a module

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that Tomas had already done.

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hey, do you want to do some contracting work for us

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And foolishly he said yes, yeah, exactly.

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because I just finished a final test in school

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and I had a month of nothing to do.

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Excellent, and how did the final test go?

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He is a rocket scientist. Fantastic.

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particularly in the developer realm.

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when you said one of those famous brainstorming meetings.

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Really what's happened is that on all sides of the equation

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people are learning about each other's skills and crafts

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I think when Ron really got feeds,

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a whole world opened up and it's fun

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because I can see a lot of our developers

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also really understanding the business case,

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the creative side for podcasters.

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really the experience we want to deliver

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for the audience, for listeners and for viewers.

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build us a module and, you know,

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make it the kind of, you know,

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you build more modules and we pay you more.

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Dude, this is a great company.

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a bit more than we have.

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in helping us with our communications efforts.

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more modules and cooler ideas.

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You bring up something really important there

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because I like what you said

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even if you have a cool idea

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and have no idea how to code it

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definitely get on developer.botshow.com

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and you can find email links there

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and the mailing list, etc.

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Because that really does work.

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Even if you're just someone who has a thought

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I think those ideas are really welcome

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and that's really the underlying theme of all this

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we can come up with some really cool stuff,

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some cool products.

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build our own development community

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and get more and more people involved

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to accomplish more.

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Excellent. Andrew, anything to add to that?

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Not right now.

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You're doing your email, aren't you?

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Or are you downloading porn again?

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It's a porn.

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All right, guys.

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Well then let's wrap this up

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just about our 15 minutes for the devcast.

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Perfect. Thank you both very much.

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Tomas, great to have you on board.

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Great to be working with you.

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I look forward to more cool stuff

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and also working with you

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on building up the community

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and I think it's going to be a lot of fun.

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OK.

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And Andrew?

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Yo.

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I'll see you in a couple of minutes.

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Excellent. Looking forward to it.

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I'm sorry, was there something else, Andrew?

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Oh, no, no. I'm good.

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OK. All right, guys.

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Thank you all very much. Have a great weekend, everybody.

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So much for devcast number six.

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We'll be back soon.

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Just before release I would guess

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with devcast number seven.

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