1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,000 Think Advertising sucks. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Think you can do better? 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Pod Show and EarthLink are willing to put our money where your mouth is. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Listen to this podcast or go to adchelens.podshow.com to see how you can win big 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,000 in the EarthLink make advertising better challenge. 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Delta Sierra Charlie 410. 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,000 It's Friday! 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,000 It was $16 million worth of airplane strapped to my ass. 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Then the next generation radio content in my ears. 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,000 I like to think I'm flying into the future. 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,000 I'm guessing it's time to carry. 12 00:00:46,250 --> 00:02:38,750 [ Music ] 13 00:02:48,500 --> 00:02:50,500 You're all ready to come on tonight 14 00:02:50,500 --> 00:02:52,500 You're on great road 15 00:02:52,500 --> 00:03:41,250 [ Music ] 16 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,480 Abbey Friday everybody, welcome to The Daily Source Code 17 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:50,680 northern california last time for this trip panic at the disco the only difference between 18 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:57,240 martyrdom and suicide is press coverage and ain't that the truth it's on the pod say music 19 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:02,360 network brand new upload from uh panic at the disco great to have those guys on pmn hey everybody 20 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:07,480 it's beautiful in the city but as I look out over uh over the hills i see nothing but fog i'm not 21 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,600 quite sure if it's coming towards me or going away uh there's a lot of wind and now we've got 22 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,640 a really funky climate uh here's San Francisco you know with what comes out you know from the sea 23 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,040 and from the valleys and the hills and the mountains and the who i don't know how it works everyone 24 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,760 here seems to know i don't but man it's been beautiful it's been like eighty ninety degrees in 25 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:35,000 San Francisco it's just been fantastic and it's time for me to head back home uh yes i can't wait 26 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:41,720 for a number of reasons some of them you can guess right away but i really also besides just missing 27 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:48,280 my girls just because they're my girls i miss Patricia on the show i really do i need someone 28 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:52,920 else to bounce off of and talk to once in a while and just knowing that she's next door in the bedroom 29 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,800 doing her makeup in the morning when uh when i'm doing the show is enough to know that she could 30 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:06,600 walk it at any time and correct me for my miss assumptions in life so we've got a really full show 31 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:12,200 today um when i woke up this morning quarter six is usual i had twenty two voicemails i don't 32 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,920 know what happened all of sudden you guys turn on to the voicemail system and some good feedback 33 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:22,440 comments so we'll get to all of those and i've got to kind of keep it moving today because at nine 34 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:27,960 thirty rosy from the office is coming to pick me up i have to go to DMV that's right figured 35 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,280 what we're fixing Trinity will fix everything else um there's been really you know i think the car 36 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:38,040 was in Ron's name because i can't register it here because i don't have a California driver's license 37 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:43,320 and they say well uh you can just take the test and i don't want to take no driving test again 38 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:51,160 that'll suck severely i'm sure i could pass it but um so we sent away to New Jersey and 39 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:56,040 New Jersey said hey no problem we have a copy of your old license which of course had been expired 40 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,840 for many many years that's since we've been away uh i shouldn't i shouldn't let those things 41 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:04,680 expire that's just handy to have man so i i have no idea what it's going to be like at the 42 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:12,200 the California DMV here in San Francisco but we should find out and uh let's see let's get all the 43 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,520 soccer stuff out of the way right off the bat because um we have some things to clear up about well 44 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:22,760 about the name soccer first of all hey Adam it's Dave the guy who left you that yeah woo woo woo 45 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,680 message on your answering machine you didn't get it it was a hockey reference you said on Wednesday's 46 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,560 Charlie i think was the only person in America interested in hockey what went wrong there how 47 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:39,400 can we don't care about hockey in the US hey there's one place in America that still cares about hockey 48 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:46,360 North Carolina home to yours Stanley Cup champion Carolina Hurricanes yes Canada 49 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:53,720 Rally North Carolina is a hockey town except it and move on anyway on this whole soccer versus 50 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,440 football thread you said on Tuesday's Charlie yeah what should we do we have to call it soccer 51 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,240 I guess we have to i'm just gonna keep saying football you'll know what i mean well if you want to 52 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:10,040 avoid all confusion why don't you call it by its full name association football see back in the 53 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,840 19th century all these English public schools form their football clubs but each school played by different 54 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,800 rules some schools kicked the ball some schools picked up the ball and ran with it Cambridge school 55 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:26,120 for example played a soccer style kicking game with a fair catch rule you could catch the ball 56 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:31,720 market and get a free kick from that spot they still do that in australian and gaelic football actually 57 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:41,560 but i digress in october of 1863 the first meeting of the ball was held and all these clubs got 58 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:48,600 together and decided they wanted to play by one specific set of rules and that set of rules became known 59 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:54,520 as association football and some players abbreviated it to soccer in the 1880s 60 00:07:54,520 --> 00:08:01,000 to help differentiate association football from rugby football okay so how do i get soccer 61 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:07,480 from association football that the the the source i got that source so sock but then what is the 62 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,720 curve come from that's what i'm that's what i'm missing i i totally take you word for but i'm 63 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:17,400 where's the curve they uh got rid of the fair catch rule too so there you have it the origins of the 64 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:22,440 word soccer by the way i happen to have a lot of this useless football trivia floating in my brain 65 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,400 so if you ever need any more history lessons about football you just let me know in the mean time 66 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:32,840 for the latest in american football check out days football blog dot com and if you'd rather play 67 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:39,640 Canadian football hey for twenty they appreciate it dude i this is the comment that got missed 68 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:45,800 up the other day and uh i was my fault i guess somehow i'd uh downloaded only half of it and 69 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,520 loaded into cast blasts and it blew up so i still not quite sure where the curve comes from but 70 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:56,520 that is a very good uh background on on on on the rules and how we split up into all these different 71 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,920 types of football i'm just gonna keep it at football though if you don't mind because that to me 72 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:08,920 is the real name and if you're wondering why uh football has been so slow to catch on in the u.s 73 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:14,600 we had a big conversation about this yesterday at the office my theory is fairly simple the game 74 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,560 does not lend itself to commercial television you know you they play for forty five minutes at 75 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:25,000 minimum there's no uh look how many sports do we have now that have a television time outs 76 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,640 excuse me since sao this and sao moan brought to you by 77 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,360 open source sex with violet blue 78 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,920 there's more about soccer for you hey Adam it stays here from ragging sorry just on the road 79 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:47,000 suburb of gulfed got a couple of points for you um about soccer and about snake bite 80 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:53,560 first of all soccer um the word derives from association football so there you go there's the answer 81 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:58,840 that one and regarding snake bite my wife Rachel asked me to let you know that in in 82 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,320 Surrey and West Sussex snake bite was banned when she was at school made illegal when she was at school 83 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,600 because the kids were drinking 10 or 11 points of this nectar at a time 84 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:14,600 it goes to a lemon and also you need to drink if you're drinking snake bite the classic is 85 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:20,040 snake bite and black which is snake bite and black current which destroys your brain 86 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,840 and leaves you with a purple moustache in the morning so you're good anyway date signing off 87 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,960 yeah I've done other things that have destroyed my brain and left you with a purple moustache in the 88 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:37,640 morning my friend you can find our web development company shameless plug at www.projectcommer.co.uk 89 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:43,560 cheers peace of mind bye bye yeah dude appreciate it okay so I don't know if it's still banned in 90 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:47,640 gulfed and by the way why does your wife Rachel know so much about it huh 91 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:53,240 as she a party girl do you think she's still parties which you'd like to get some snake 92 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:58,680 bite and black with the pod father right down the road hi and this is Phil one half of the 93 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:04,840 soccer show podcast available from soccershout.com once again he's a quick world cup update 94 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,560 there's some superb games over the last few days let's start with the U.S. when Demsy last 95 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:12,840 up all into the back of the net I thought the U.S. would go on and win but their second half of 96 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:18,040 formus was just unacceptable of the calls for these three games that just didn't do enough to 97 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,280 justify moving on to the next round they definitely got some bad calls against them particularly 98 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:27,000 in the match against Ghana but to be honest they weren't worth it and it's good to see at least 99 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,000 one African team move through to the next round yeah I'd let's not say they weren't worth it 100 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,560 but it was a start yeah this was the first time I've seen so much excitement for 101 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:43,160 excuse me for football in the United States of course it worked out very well 102 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,760 with the timing because if it was in prime time would have been a huge problem as I just mentioned 103 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:55,720 with the commercials and thank goodness for ESPN too and other stations like that who carried the 104 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:00,920 games it all the Spanish stations who carried the games so I'm just really happy and proud of 105 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:07,400 our guys they you know they next next next competition they'll do even better because now they've 106 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:12,200 got the fans behind them I also thought Australia vs Croatia was a great game crazy refereeing 107 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:17,160 committed play and some good goals and one of my favorite teams Australia moving on the next round 108 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,160 as well I had to look forward to Holland vs Argentina but they pretty much cancel each other out 109 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,280 it was a bit of a disappointing game I forgot to build up but I think they were just saving 110 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:29,720 themselves for the next round the second round starts the side day is eight games four days 111 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,840 single elimination with overtime and penalty kicks every quiet to quickly run through the lineups 112 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:40,920 on Saturday we have Germany vs Sweden and Argentina vs Mexico Sunday we have England vs Ecuador 113 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:47,560 in Portugal vs Holland a Monday we have Italy vs Australia and probably Ukraine vs 114 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:51,960 and I say South Korea those games haven't been played yet to decide he's gonna be in that game 115 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:57,560 and on Tuesday we have Brazil vs Ghana and I think it's gonna be Spain vs France to finish off 116 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:02,840 the line up there my pick of the weekend is the game the sun sunday three p.m. eastern on ESPN 117 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:08,040 that's Portugal vs Holland Tuesday I think is gonna be two great games Brazil vs Ghana 118 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:13,880 and what I expect to be France vs Spain over at the soccer show podcast Tony and I are hitting 119 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:19,080 foam just at the right time so for a daily 20 minute two blocks in a pub style podcast about the 120 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:25,000 world cup check it out soccer show dot com this concludes our soccer moments on daily source code 121 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:31,640 410 only 10 more till 420 what are we gonna do then get your audio comments in quick 122 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,520 and your audio productions please yes today I told you that we're gonna have big news 123 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:44,520 regarding second life on today's show at 12 o'clock SLT which is the same as Pacific Coast 124 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:53,400 time PST Pacific's so-st to time we open up the pod show island that's right been working 125 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:58,040 very very hard now of course you know that we've had parties every single day people have been 126 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:04,840 hanging out yesterday we had was the blue the blue party at the at the brothel what am I talking 127 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:09,960 about this is about second life the virtual world it's a it's a game you can download it's 128 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:16,040 second life dot com but what's nice about it is it's a game where well a lot of listeners hang out 129 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:22,040 a lot of podcasters hang out uh people get to get together and chat about stuff and do stuff 130 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:28,040 so uh I got pretty frustrated with just you know all the limitations of second life in general 131 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:33,080 the only way to really fix that is to get an island so uh got the team together let's me in 132 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:39,720 Brittany Brittany Mason you'll find her of course uh today at the party there's ex-dark ex-alora 133 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:45,160 magic squeeze magic star squeegee squeegee squeegee squeegee squeegee and we put together this 134 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,640 island and you're gonna love this place it's gonna be a great place to come and hang out we've uh 135 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:55,560 got a lot more control over what goes on in the land so of course the brothel move there yesterday 136 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,240 you probably saw that right after the party everything got ripped out and taken away 137 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:06,360 the palaces now there and it's it's it's the palaces been expanded it's beautiful we got swimming pool 138 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:14,040 we've got all kinds of great games Texas hold on roulette of course the podshow princesses will be 139 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:21,720 on the island dancing contest I'm moving there uh I think that's so I will be moving out of the 140 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,520 castle to live there not quite sure we're gonna deposit the castle there not because uh I have 141 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:33,640 a pretty nice place to live just look for the red car so it's gonna be uh it's gonna be high end you 142 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:38,280 know it's gonna be much much classier we have a lot more control out of keeping people out who we 143 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:43,800 don't want in but I think I think we're gonna have a really good time and you can also buy land 144 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:50,840 there you can rent a place uh so let's see if we can uh let's see if we can really get a community together 145 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,920 if you want any more information just to look for Brittany Mason online if I'm not online 146 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,400 and she'll be able to help you particularly when it comes to the real estate 147 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:05,720 oh man another chapter in my second life yeah yeah yeah yeah it's speaking of chapters in my life 148 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:12,760 you know that before I got the delta Sierra my my airplane I was flying helicopters 149 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:18,920 in fact I have about 750-800 hours on the turbine helicopters as piloting command 150 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:25,720 and uh it's you know so I kind of went from helicopters to uh to regular fixed wing 151 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:32,120 where most people go from fixed wing to helicopters and it usually happens after an experience 152 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:37,720 like Misha had AC how are you it's Micah from let's shoot I mean Micah I've done that before I'm 153 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,360 sorry Micah the chopper so over at LC choppers.com and uh I just want to say you 154 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:48,600 roadograph pilots man you guys are nuts you see my wife and I we just went to Alaska on a cruise 155 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:54,920 and we took a glacier tour and you want to talk about scud running and not being very far off 156 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:59,640 the ground and looking up out of the helicopter to see the top of mountains it was just crazy but I 157 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,200 tell you it was quite the adrenaline rush now I'm an air traffic controller over in Toledo 158 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:11,080 Ohio and we were helicopters all the time and I'm a fixed wing pilot myself with about 400 hours or so 159 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:16,200 but I tell you after the helicopter ride I'm seriously thinking about going back to school and picking 160 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,520 up those roado wings right on anyway take care and have a good week we'll talk to you later brother 161 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:25,320 and and tailwinds dude you suppose to say tailwinds how you really apply 162 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,080 yeah Micah used to have Micah's minute which was great there was him recording stuff from 163 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:38,040 from the tower as he was doing ATC in Toledo and I really loved it but I guess they they found 164 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:44,200 upon it so Micah's minute passed and now he's doing the chopper podcast which is not about helicopters 165 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:53,000 but about two wheel choppers. Let's see uh yesterday talked about uh was it yesterday talked about 166 00:17:53,000 --> 00:18:00,040 hugging a long tall Lisa at the pod show HQ about me being vertically challenged oh I have not 167 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:06,520 alone hey Adam this is David from New Jersey call the tell you just uh working about a 168 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:12,840 day behind on the latest B.S.E.s. one of the shots and I'm sitting at a restaurant here on the 169 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:18,120 Jersey term bike and I thought I'd give you a call I too have vertically challenged just had my 170 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:26,920 20 second anniversary of this test weekend with my wife um 64 she is only five two so I kind of 171 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,800 know where you come in from bro uh was looking through my wedding album this past weekend and I 172 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:37,800 started the chuckle I have forgotten during the wedding they made my wife stand on a box so that the 173 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:46,040 pictures look more normal know where you come in from keep it up bye bye guys so what Patricia usually 174 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:51,720 makes me do is uh whenever we're going somewhere where this potential for us to be photographed 175 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:58,200 together for like uh newspapers gossip rags etc so usually when we're in the Netherlands because 176 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:03,000 it's a really the only place we ever get bothered with that stuff she'll make me walk about three or four 177 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:08,040 feet behind her and then if the people say oh yeah let's take a picture together and I literally 178 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:13,080 have to like spread my legs out I had this whole way of doing it so you can't really see what I'm 179 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,000 doing but you know particularly in perspective if people are taking pictures right from the front of us 180 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:22,600 so kind of like spread my legs forward and back and and just kind of squat down and that usually 181 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:29,080 works out okay and all the besides you know people often ask me if there's any other disadvantages 182 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:36,120 to such a height difference can you say pinwheel? 183 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:41,240 Hey Adam it's dead zero from the area of 51 group the weather middle listening to Wednesdays 184 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:46,520 usually sort of code your thing on that neutrality and I think you're missing this a certain amount 185 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:52,760 of perspective free lunch there's no such thing nobody is getting a free lunch we're oh wow this 186 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:59,560 is great yeah I've got like a couple uh two pieces of feedback uh to share with you regarding net 187 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:05,000 neutrality this is the thing that's uh coursing through the veins of the internet right now everyone 188 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,600 talking about it like we're getting ripped off SBC is gonna blow up the internet it's gonna suck 189 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,560 so I'm gonna just let you hear a couple of different sides of this and then uh hopefully give you 190 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:22,200 some more information all paid for that then with Google is saying a massive amount to SBC or 191 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:27,720 whatever the hell they're called by AT&T and whoever else who are those things these networks 192 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:34,040 we're paying for all that stuff to what they want they want to get get paid twice they want to 193 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:39,400 maximize their revenue streams they want more money more money more money more money that's our problem 194 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:45,400 they want to make it the glory of the internet has always been that anybody can prosper if 195 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:50,280 you've got a good idea and maybe some technical chops or you know somebody you can get a website 196 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,080 up and you can make a million dollars all of a sudden now you got to pay the ferryman before you 197 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:02,760 can actually stand a shot it's been a ruin it if you're not fair it's not legal and there is no competition 198 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:08,040 they're in collusion there's about three bandwidth providers that cover the United States 199 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:14,280 and everybody else is using them they're definitely all gonna charge the same amount and that 200 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,600 amount's gonna keep going up together and they're not gonna get charged as weeks as long as this 201 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:23,160 is made for the city office it is not going to be what you're imagining is not gonna be worked 202 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:28,040 out in the market there is no opportunity for anybody else to make any even networks maybe 203 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:33,880 she's for Google but if watch them get stopped with galleries they have a it's not a fair 204 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,600 system it's not free market and it's not a free lunch you know what are you getting it for free 205 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:44,360 see you later okay so this is pretty much the typical attitude that that is coursing through the 206 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:50,920 veins of the the internet right now that it's not fair it's double dipping there's no competition 207 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:56,360 now this is a subject that I happen to know an awful lot about having owned a data center 208 00:21:56,360 --> 00:22:01,480 and really understanding how the internet itself works on the inside that's the big cloud that 209 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,840 you always see on the power points when people are talking about these great things with the 210 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,960 internet and they say on end is cloud in here all this stuff kind of happens okay so I happen to 211 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:15,480 know a lot about that and before I get into it I want to play more because now here's a a different 212 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:21,720 viewpoint on net neutrality hey and this is Chris Thompson so it helps you and he go apex of that 213 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:29,080 come I was just listening to so talking about net neutrality and it has two cents to offer 214 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:36,280 awesome Louisiana I was talking to internet engineer a network engineer who works for a 215 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:43,400 streaming media company for like music videos and got the scoop from him so basically it's all about 216 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:50,920 fiber optic um for years uh FBC and AT&T have been putting fiber optics to the nose level which is 217 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,080 you know your neighborhood so you individual neighborhoods would have fiber optic connection 218 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,880 and this this means they sent a lot of money on infrastructure and all this other nonsense 219 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:09,640 and the plan is to bump up everyone's bandwidth so all of a sudden now you have you know a huge 220 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:15,000 pipe coming at your house and they want to offer content on that they want to offer uh 221 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:21,640 voiceover IP they want to offer you know content distribution stuff and if they're going to have 222 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:27,800 competitors come and do the same thing without paying for that's that's what their beef is and 223 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:36,600 doesn't make too much sense for me um but also there was a um a bit about having this you know a huge 224 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:44,120 fiber optic pipe certain packets will also be time sensitive like voiceover IP and streaming packets will be 225 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:51,720 preferred and if your network is preferred then you just get you get right through in preference to a 226 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:58,520 packet which is not preferred so you know it's getting voiceover IP even better and stuff 227 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:03,640 and it makes very much sense you make a lot of sense if you're doing this but you basically have 228 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:10,120 monopoly over these fiber optic connections you can name your price there's not much I'll choose I mean the 229 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:17,640 telco's own the internet I mean combined um so I don't know too much about I don't know too much about 230 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:24,840 this issue but that's just my uh my knowledge that I can add to the conversation um personally I'm 231 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:31,720 looking at um getting uh dumping contest I don't have a only in my phone I want to get the um 232 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,120 the neighborhood wireless connection all right so he goes on for a little bit more and I really have 233 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:41,240 to stop because if you want to know all about net neutrality and you're listening to this podcast on 234 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:46,840 serious stars 102 you're gonna have to download the whole show a daily source code dot com to find out 235 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:52,120 my viewpoint on that PCH is next for you guys I'll talk to you on Monday so okay 236 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,040 I'm trying to think if I should get now you know what there's one because I did a lot of research on it yesterday 237 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:04,680 because even though I'm pretty sure that I know what I'm talking about I did go out and do some 238 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:10,680 more research on net neutrality and low and behold I uh found I'm trying to launch this now 239 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:19,640 I found a uh a video of uh hold on open up here we go of Tim Berners Lee the man widely credited 240 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,800 for um yeah essentially uh coming up with the concept of the worldwide web 241 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,080 you got to listen to this it's you know it's it's short but it's Tim Berners Lee 242 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:39,960 who I obviously high and got him in very high on the radar and on the uh respect scale 243 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:47,000 but I don't think he understands either quite honestly uh he did invent the worldwide web as you'll 244 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,480 hear him say in this video piece I'm just waiting for it to load or actually streaming this uh over 245 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,640 the net coming I think this is a hopeless streaming and over the net oh what is this 246 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,720 to help protect your computer windows firewall has blocks and features of this program unblock okay 247 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:07,960 could you please get to it it was unblock yesterday why did y'all sudden decide to block it now 248 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,680 here comes Tim here's Tim Berners Lee and listen to what he's saying this is Tim Berners Lee 249 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:18,520 from MIT I invented the worldwide web without having to ask anybody's permission 250 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,920 I invented the worldwide web hundreds of millions of people are using it freely today 251 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:32,360 I'm worried that this will end in the USA I've blocked on net neutrality before 252 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:37,160 I'm so did a lot of other people but since then some telecommunication companies have 253 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:44,920 spent a lot of money on TV ads and PR and the US house seems to have wavered from the path 254 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:50,040 of preserving net neutrality there's been some misinformation spread about 255 00:26:51,000 --> 00:27:01,400 so here are some clarifications net neutrality is this if I pay to connect to the net with a given 256 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:08,120 quality of service and you pay to connect to the net with the same or higher quality of service 257 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:14,280 then you and I can communicate across the net with that quality of service 258 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:23,640 that's all it's up to the internet service providers to interconnect to make sure that happens 259 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,760 and they've shown they're very capable of doing that 260 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,600 net neutrality is not about asking for the internet for free 261 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:40,200 net neutrality is not saying that we shouldn't pay more for higher quality of service 262 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:48,360 we always have and we always will there have been some suggestions that we don't need legislation 263 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:55,320 because we haven't had it these are nonsense because in fact we have had net neutrality in the past 264 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,680 and it's only recently that real explicit threats have emerged 265 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,800 control of information is hugely powerful 266 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,800 in the US the threat is that companies will control what I can access for commercial reasons 267 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,920 in China the threat is the government controls access for political reasons 268 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:25,480 there is a very strong short-term incentive for a company to grab control of TV distribution 269 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,520 over the internet even though it is against the long-term interests of the industry 270 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:41,160 yes regulation to keep the internet open is regulation and mostly the internet has thrived 271 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:49,320 or lack of regulation but some basic values have to be preserved the market system depends 272 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:55,000 on the fact that you can't photocopy money democracy depends on freedom of speech 273 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:08,120 freedom of connection with any application to any party is the fundamental social basis of the internet 274 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:18,120 and now is the basis of the society we've built on the internet let's see whether the United 275 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:26,120 States is capable of acting according to its fundamental values or is it as some people who have been 276 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:37,320 saying run by the misguided short-term interests of large companies I hope Congress can protect net 277 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:45,560 neutrality so I can continue to innovate in the internet space I want to go on seeing the 278 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:51,640 huge number of innovations which are happening out there and which is so diverse and so exciting 279 00:29:52,440 --> 00:30:02,120 I want to see that continue unabated okay timbernously I got a disagree with you even though 280 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,440 I hold you on high regard for inventing the worldwide web as you say yourself 281 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:15,800 you did not invent the internet we all know how guarded that and that's really what this is about 282 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:21,240 this is not about the web in fact you timbernously even said there you know this is about controlling 283 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:26,760 television through the internet which I thought was kind of weird for him to even use the word 284 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:34,760 television because we don't really have television on the internet okay what happens on the internet 285 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,640 and this is something that has been brewing for a long long time and it is not only something 286 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:45,000 that's that's happening in the US it's going to happen worldwide because this is about peering and 287 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:52,040 peering agreements when now when when when Al Gore invented the internet as basically when the 288 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,840 DARPA net was turned off and commercial networks took over the backbone functionality of the net 289 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:03,560 and we saw this happen from you know 94 95 so for the past 10 to 15 years we we yeah for the past 10 290 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:09,080 12 years we've literally seen this grow before our very eyes now because these were telecommunications 291 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:17,240 companies they're used to handing off phone calls to each other on a you know on a billions of 292 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:23,480 phone minutes a day I guess and they do this at exchanges and at the end of the month they have 293 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,120 something called settlement which basically is when they all the computers run and they match everything 294 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:36,920 up and they say okay I sent four hundred million minutes to you so you owe me an X amount of money 295 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,400 because I passed those phone calls off onto your network but you also passed phone calls off 296 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:47,800 on the mine network it was 490 minutes million minutes so I owe you 90 million minutes that's what 297 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:54,600 the settlement is all about now when the same wires the same fiber optics the same pipes started to 298 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,240 be used for data and as they started to you know convert that and there's all kinds of technical 299 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,520 stuff behind that but essentially the existing pipes you know just like our phone lines were 300 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:12,440 our first access to the internet there really wasn't an efficient way to track the cost and in fact 301 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,520 if that had started a long time ago then we probably wouldn't have seen the explosive growth of 302 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:22,440 the internet that we've seen so they came up with a concept of peering and you have these exchange 303 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:28,440 points and I know a lot about this because I had a data center called the data barn which was 304 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:34,280 directly connected to the m6 the Amsterdam internet exchange and in order to become a member 305 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,880 you have to have a certain amount of traffic for peering which means you're on peer with 306 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,120 other networks that connected this exchange this is where these networks come together and where 307 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:50,280 traffic is passed off so as an example the podcast delivery network the pod show runs in conjunction 308 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:59,080 with line light is really a whole bunch of data centers that have copies of the content around the 309 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:06,040 globe excuse me the other sincere moment but I'm not going to sponsor it now so since there's 310 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:13,480 not a very efficient way to count packets and people aren't used to being charged by the packet 311 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:20,120 necessarily these at these interchange points the networks basically say well I'm handing you 312 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,640 you know 500 million terabytes your hand and me 450 million terabytes it's almost the same next week 313 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:30,200 maybe I'll have more you'll have more so we'll call it a wash we'll call it peering and there 314 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,640 these peering agreements which are contracts which literally say that saying you can charge me money 315 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:41,240 I can't charge you money as long as we stay more or less within the bounds of equal traffic 316 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:47,560 so I'm sending as much to your network as I'm receiving from your network okay so when you look at 317 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:53,400 the podcast delivery network let's say you're on comcast okay and you want to listen to the daily 318 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:59,240 source code so you just click on a link or your iTunes or some other podcast you're like juice 319 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:06,840 says give me that file the file literally comes from a server that is probably only 20 feet away 320 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:12,600 from comcast network because it's in the same data center and because we have a peering agreement 321 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:19,320 between and really that's a lot of this limelight infrastructure we have a peering agreement 322 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,480 it gets sent over gets put right on to the network and this happens almost everywhere we're 323 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,880 you know so you remember we used to talk about hops how many hops away is this server from me 324 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:36,440 well what happens is if you if either side of the equation whether you have an ISP 325 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:42,600 that may not have all the all the direct connections into the exchanges because they don't have 326 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:48,200 enough traffic by themselves which means they're basically buying someone else's pipe into the 327 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:56,280 exchange or whether you're a content provider right who is providing the content onto those into 328 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:01,880 the exchange perhaps through an external ISP or such as pod shell were right in the exchanges 329 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:10,840 um I lost my train of thought this is a very complicated crap yeah so essentially you 330 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:16,120 request it and it comes out on the other end if if you don't have those direct connections you 331 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:23,240 have to do something which we call transit you have to buy transit so if as an example it could 332 00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:29,720 happen although unlikely that the podcast delivery network is in exchange and there's a huge 333 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:37,560 network let's just call it SBC and they feel that for this new network they've put in place 334 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:43,240 which is really high speed you're not sending them enough traffic or you're not able to receive 335 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:48,680 enough traffic back from them for whatever reason they say we don't feel like we're peers then 336 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:55,560 I would have to literally buy access and it could only be a five-foot cable to a different network 337 00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:01,240 that does have that amount of traffic but I would have to buy that connecting access to the other 338 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:08,280 network called buying transit which can become very expensive but at the end of the day the concept 339 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,960 of the internet is that no matter what happens your content will eventually get to the other end 340 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,120 it may have to go through several hops because they're peering agreements aren't in place this 341 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:25,480 has been going on for years in fact eight or ten years ago you could really tell the difference we 342 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,280 would do trace routes anyone done a trace route or you know to see oh where's this traffic going 343 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,160 through my gosh it's unbelievable this is not coming directly you know I'm in California and I'm 344 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,040 trying to get to a server in New York but I'm being routed through through Germany through Frankfurt 345 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,920 I mean that happened quite a lot and this is all because of the peering agreements or lack of them 346 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:51,560 and the purchasing of this transit bandwidth so because these peering agreements are basically 347 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:58,440 set on you know people shaking hands and saying I agree either party when they come to the table 348 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,840 with a new network or something and some upgrade of course has the right to say you know what 349 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,480 you want to you want to drop this stuff they could say pod show you want to drop this stuff right 350 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,360 onto our network this new high speed network which essentially will allow you to deliver television 351 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:19,480 quality images to anyone on our network that's fine but you can have to pay us for it and that's 352 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:26,360 that's what's happening it doesn't mean it doesn't mean that I can't get there through another 353 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:32,200 means but it would still cost me money I would have to buy transit to a network that did have that 354 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,560 agreement with SBC this is huge political stuff that has been going on for a long time and it's 355 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:43,880 not about of course at the end of the day the consumer always pays the bill for everything but it's 356 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,680 it's not about never going you're that you're not going to be able to have access in fact SBC 357 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:57,160 would be it would be suicide for them to say oh I'm sorry you can't get to that server because 358 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:03,880 X, Y, or Z they'll never do that this is about a much higher network which really is almost 359 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:09,000 not even a part of the internet it's their network so if they want to charge people 360 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:16,680 to peer directly onto their network then people can have to do that and if not then there will 361 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:23,560 be networks and other parties in between who will aggregate all of this traffic to come up with 362 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:28,680 the right peering number or whatever the agreement has to be and so maybe that maybe pod show and 363 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:35,000 Google and Yahoo would all have to get together and buy transit from different parties to still 364 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,040 get on the network you will get on the network but it's going to cost money so and this is what 365 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:46,920 I truly believe is that SBC is just saying you know we're putting billions into the ground in 366 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:53,800 fiber and routers and switches and all kinds of stuff if you want to utilize it with all this 367 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,200 additional traffic you're going to put on a network then you know you're no longer a peer 368 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:03,800 you're in fact you're overloading us so you have to pay for it but the internet is not going to 369 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,960 die because of this I'm sorry it's just not going to happen this is the thing that was supposed to 370 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:17,320 withstand the nuclear attack and still work you know and so some stupid thought that a powerful 371 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:23,560 party can take over if look if SBC could really really take and hold the internet hostage 372 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:30,040 they would have done so a long time ago when they when they actually could have done it and I don't 373 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:35,080 and even if if they wanted to I'm still doubt that it was possible 10 years ago to really they 374 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,720 they'll try it essentially they try to own the internet it's just not how it works 375 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:51,000 study and see how border gateway protocol works it's it's it's real high-end techy stuff but 376 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,480 personally from a from a commercial standpoint I think it's great that they've put all this 377 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,840 investment in it still remains to be seen what they're going to charge for basically hopping 378 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:08,520 onto their network and and making use of it if they make it to expensive guess what we're just going 379 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,720 to continue to compress our videos and keep it nice and tight and you know and then it'll just 380 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:20,280 progress slower so there are market forces here at work it has nothing to do with with anti-competitive 381 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:26,280 behavior and even though I was the one of the first to identify some very strange 382 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:37,160 remarks made by Whitaker the CEO of SBC corporation I just don't see the threat and I think it's 383 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:42,280 a lot of pile jumping that's going on and I really do know what I'm talking about so maybe we'll 384 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:47,880 just all check in in two years and and see if I was right but you know this is not legislation 385 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,680 is not going you think legislators understand this stuff I can barely understand what it's about 386 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:59,160 and I actually had a business that was in this business so I think it's just an upgrade of the 387 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:04,760 internet and it will probably take 10 years for all you know all parties involved all ISPs and 388 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:10,120 everything to shake out and reshuffle and create new pairing agreements but man if anyone thought that 389 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:15,080 this day wasn't coming we're pairing agreements would be busted wide open then then crazy we all knew 390 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:20,920 this was coming this has been something that's and these contracts are you know 40 pages deep of 391 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,960 all this crap you can and can't do I mean we've been skating on thin ice for a long long time and maybe 392 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:32,680 just maybe everybody's been getting a pretty free ride ever think about that it's really expensive 393 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,640 stuff we've been we've gotten used to cheap access and you know now we're paying the bill for 394 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:44,360 essentially but it doesn't mean that any company in my opinion that any company can 395 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:52,040 can go and hijack the internet and and make it so that individuals can't communicate or that 396 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:58,360 you can't start a service of course you can and you will get exactly what you pay for you know 397 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,520 it's not like your current standards are going to cost more it's going to cost more if you 398 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:10,280 want to jump to the next level oh hey and to be honest if that's if you know look I'm a commercial 399 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:15,480 guy everybody knows that and but I also love the the the the free and openness of the net and I 400 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:23,160 I've built a career on it and I've become very successful through it and I and I don't intend to 401 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:29,240 stop now so if I really was concerned you'd be hearing a whole different noise coming from my 402 00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:38,280 piehole which of course is surrounded by lots of growth of hair yeah and this is really from 403 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:44,360 what you're talking and this is just gone about your your growth you had mentioned in the 404 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:49,960 day on the metro sexual moment you're wanting tips on how to groom that I don't think we're all 405 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:55,240 so if that's part of the deal man I think if you're going to let it grow you're going to just have to let it grow 406 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,720 no nothing no clip for no trim and none of that stuff man you're just going to have to go to 407 00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:11,720 blue bush maybe that one's fire you to get off the end you get that two-man working man I don't 408 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:16,600 I don't think you should be driving at or anything else I think you're doing that boat to pictures 409 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:22,360 it could I do it and just let it go on there they're a little bit of rail then it stopped 410 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:28,360 reaching and just anybody now that's your energy that's good work bye all right man you got my 411 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:33,880 sexy SOGF to thank for that for the pictures of of course another update of the it's getting 412 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:39,080 it's getting thick and dark now that they take my picture dmv and what happens when I go back 413 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,200 to London will they let me in the country will they look at me and say this doesn't look like 414 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,680 your passport picture in fact that beard kind of makes you a kind of terrorist look and you know 415 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:52,680 I'm saying hi Adam this is Jeff Groucho Marx in second life what morning I got an elephant in my 416 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:59,000 agenda oh you got my agenda I don't know I've been enjoying listening to your story about growing 417 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:06,200 your beard in the pictures in 2000 I was a CEO of a public dot com and I too while waiting for 418 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,200 our new development platform to be launched announced the staff that I wasn't going to shave 419 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,400 until you guys finished and we launched and the news to say I went through many months 420 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:21,880 scratching and itching and looking ridiculously grubby and so finally they were ready to launch 421 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:27,400 and at the launch party I came out in my scrubby beard congratulated the team then I ducked off into 422 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:33,000 the bathroom and shaved off half my beard it came back into the room and into the party with 423 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:38,280 one side of my face clean shaving and the other side filled bushy and that was good for a few 424 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,320 laughs and a bunch of embarrassing pictures so you might want to consider that when you finish with 425 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:49,480 the you are impending launch and any event keep up the great work good to hear from you to 426 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,960 and see you every day and as Groucho would say that's the most ridiculous thing I have always 427 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,960 yeah you know I didn't like that too much that that comment because you know you said that 428 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:05,960 you were a CFO of a dot com company and it took months those are like a whole bunch of things 429 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,360 that just really didn't make me feel good at all about this whole beard thing I'm not planning 430 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:17,000 on waiting a couple of months I hope the company you were CFO of still exists so there's no bad 431 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:22,200 home and with this beard stuff this is really just to remind me about how much hard work is going 432 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:27,640 into creating this thing it's been eight or nine months people are really I mean I've been at the 433 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,360 office almost every night until anywhere between eight and ten p.m. and there's tons of people 434 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,680 still work and they're still just because they want to because they want to get this done they 435 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:44,120 want to get this out and the demand is so huge so take it for me I'm not planning on having this 436 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:49,480 beard for very long I'm just wary of giving and we have a date of course we have a date I'm just 437 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:56,520 very wary of giving it to anybody but believe me when I say the Patricia hates a beard she likes 438 00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:03,320 the way it looks but she dislikes the way it functions and she will be giving me grief about this so 439 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:08,680 this is this is more to remind me of whatever one's going through trying to get all this stuff up 440 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,760 and going and it's going to be beautiful when you see pod show plus when you see my collection 441 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:19,560 in the channel guide and then you see the the pdn that's that's that's available for anyone for free 442 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:27,320 to use I think you're going to like it you're going to want to join the show you're definitely 443 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:32,440 going to want to be a part of the show hi Adam I was listening to daily source code six twenty one 444 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,160 or six I can't I'm a grand lover I don't know if that's why it's not but anyway I was driving home 445 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:42,920 away from working um Pennsylvania from Central Pennsylvania to Philadelphia on U.S. one and the 446 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,240 career song came on and I was a little tired to go to about one in the morning coming home 447 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:52,440 from the TV station that I work at and that song came on and we said hey listen to this song 448 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,000 and imagine it's a video and at that moment I really woke up to listen there were two 449 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:02,040 years in front of me I don't know if it saves my life but it definitely saves my car so thanks to the 450 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,840 daily source code he kept me awake you're doing a good job keep it up and I love your daughter's 451 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:12,120 pod show okay and I hope this is clear thanks to all right take care of Adam oh yeah so you 452 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:18,680 probably also save the deer don't you think you didn't mention that what all right daily source code 453 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:25,560 known for saving lives all over the world and yeah Christina's getting ready to do her next show 454 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,240 she can't wait I she might even make me do it on Sunday when when I get home which will be 455 00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:34,280 fine with me I mean I I want her doing to voice mail numbers over the weekend you might be 456 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,800 listening to the show over the weekend in New Jersey which is probably the best number for you to call 457 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:46,920 if you're using Skype 2016256357 we also have a London number we the Royal Wii 02076813753 and 458 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,320 that comments were Patricia's well because you know she's gonna be on the show Monday okay just a 459 00:47:51,320 --> 00:48:00,840 couple more bits here but oh they're very important ones shoot I'm used to using two different 460 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:11,480 computers for this stuff here we go let's try that comic strip comic strip comic strip comic strip 461 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:21,960 comic strip you use the man with a plan hello madam carry as you maybe know I am a mobile phone expert 462 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:28,120 and not just because I was working three years in Finland at Nokia but because I'm writing the 463 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:34,440 bug mobile phones on the internet since 10 years and I visit personally major treasures including 464 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:41,640 the biggest mobile phone treasure in the world 3GSM so let me tell you and DSC listeners two things 465 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:49,080 firstly some wireless carriers indeed offer flat rate mobile internet where you pay on 466 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:57,560 six price without limits it is so in USA Japan Germany and East Europe but not in UK unfortunately 467 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:04,520 where still it's come and titled unlimited one gigabyte is practiced secondly I would like to say 468 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:09,800 that there's no oh I just got to stop you there C.S.B. you know this is so true talk about net neutrality 469 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:22,280 and bullshit my phone bill my singular bill I should say is about $2,500 a month and so Rosie 470 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:27,160 came to me yesterday said you know what are we going to do about your phone bill and I said well 471 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:32,280 you know crap you know this is what happens I you know we've tried two phones having a UK phone 472 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:37,160 than a US phone and I miss out on a lot of calls because people are calling the wrong phone number 473 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,880 this one's on that one's anyway or I got to walk around with two phones a tremendous logistical 474 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:48,840 nightmare but the funny thing is it's not the actual phone calls you'd think and I talk a lot 475 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:55,800 and I'm basically roaming when I'm using my US blackberry in in the UK but those costs are 476 00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:01,640 relatively low maybe only a couple hundred bucks what is the actual charge for the charge is for 477 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:09,240 reading email it's for the bandwidth I consume reading email while overseas because yeah you get one 478 00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:15,720 gigabyte and after that no actually you get one gigabyte if you're in the US and the same goes for the 479 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:21,400 UK by the way you get a gigabyte which is more than enough for the gigabyte okay just a gig 480 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:27,720 it's not a huge amount of data by today standards you get a gig to do your email is more than enough 481 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:36,280 for email however when you are roaming they charge you about a buck or maybe it's a buck 50 482 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:46,280 per megabyte that is transferred that's bullshit that is total crap and bullshit and it is directly 483 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:53,080 related to the peering issue and it's and but in this case it's price gouging it is totally 484 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:59,160 intended to rip off the consumer when he goes outside of the regular coverage area phone would 485 00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:05,720 had this good you got as a bribe it's quite good for the recording thanks to wifi and 486 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:14,200 3G but it has no stereo audio of a bluetooth so it is missing the crucial thing anyway 487 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:20,120 and I'm carry why couldn't you give me interview about mobile phones now when you see that mobile 488 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:27,480 phone industry seriously is entering put casting let's do it made over Skype or in person come on 489 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:34,520 here you'll like that podcast creator okay see as be I don't know about interview 490 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,840 I'm not I've got nothing to say I don't know anything about mobile phones you know everything 491 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:44,760 about mobile phones so this Nokia N91 you heard it there from the expert in fact the guy who left 492 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:49,160 Nokia and does not like the company at all he says it's a pretty damn good phone 493 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:55,000 and I have to agree you know what thank you offer sending in all that information and emails about 494 00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:01,480 finding the tracks so I was indeed incorrect and I guess it's just an interface issue that I 495 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:07,320 and I'm not I'm I'm blonde but I'm not totally stupid but I thought that music would be under music 496 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:13,880 but no it's under tracks okay so I found all the tracks that came pre-loaded on this N91 which is 497 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:22,120 as CSB just said I received as a bribe to talk about it yeah hell yeah let me see let me see 498 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,960 if I can find it here because they pre-loaded it with all kinds of cool stuff is he Kevin Reeves in 499 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:36,120 there let me see where is now of course I can't find it I had it all set up for you there was 500 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:44,440 these ringtones oh man don't tell me I can't find the ringtones now oh wait no tracks that's 501 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:50,440 what I want tracks there we go okay let's go it was kind of cool the way they set that up here 502 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:55,080 they actually yeah so they contact it Jeff Smith the Roger Smalls ringtone is on here 503 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:06,120 comic strip blogger oh wait they even I guess they they contacted and hopefully contracted 504 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:11,480 Jeff Smith to create this ringtone for me check it out see is it playing yeah should play now 505 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,960 oh wait that's not the one we know that one that's Metro sexual Adam oh Adam's ringtone 506 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:29,880 shoot where is it okay you can hear me tapping through okay so the so I did this one for Ron 507 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:35,960 wasn't there to receive his free phone but this is the one for Ron that's pretty funny 508 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:58,600 can you imagine actually being in a meeting and that going off yeah here's my here's my hip hop ringtone 509 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:08,680 check this out this is funny I can just see me walking around with this oh yeah oh yeah 510 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:23,560 Adam is she phone Adam Curry oh you get the idea as a music machine it's great it's fantastic 511 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:28,680 I'm I'm just bummed about the keyboard I can't use that to it just won't work for email that's a real 512 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:33,720 bummer okay so I just wanted to correct that from yesterday we almost done here no Marcus 513 00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:41,320 couch or something to say hey what's up it's Marcus couch pot show music rewind and the scene's 514 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:48,600 aim and I'm actually calling to talk about rewind right now hey if content clips were you know 515 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:55,080 recreational activities I'd be down to sticks and stems right now are you music podcasts is up there 516 00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:02,280 point your browser to rewind dot pot show dot com click on the submission tab on the right side 517 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:10,200 and give me a clip just send it to hot show music rewind and gmail dot com and you're in 518 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:17,080 it could be on the show totally appreciate that hey speaking of appreciate and thanks for the link 519 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:23,800 to the scenes video podcast yeah my pleasure man plugbell here the scenes theme dot com totally 520 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:29,320 appreciate that and I'm actually going to two more in the can and each one is like technically 521 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:34,520 harder than the last so having a lot of fun doing that but I tell you it's a lot different than 522 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:40,360 audio because instead of just hitting the play button to listen to the thing it takes about 20 minutes 523 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:48,600 to render every 30 seconds video to all about it the time shifting is definitely a huge lag factor 524 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:54,200 in video podcasting all right Marcus couch monitor you know all right buddy if you haven't seen 525 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:59,480 that I put a link on curry dot com yesterday to uh Marcus couch's video podcast I you got to see 526 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:04,280 what he's done it's fantastic it's really really cool great use of the medium but yeah it's not 527 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,600 that it's not trivial it's not like audio where you bang them out one after another you know it's uh 528 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:15,960 it takes actual work involved yeah we've been doing some stuff for for the show over in uh in England 529 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,440 for for BT uh sorry I'm supposed to talk about that I'm supposed to tell you who are partners 530 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:26,280 for a hot show UK for a big launch it's going to be great we've been putting lots of cool 531 00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:34,440 video stuff together finally um just uh quickly regarding my uh temporary switch to windows 532 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,640 first of all all the people who say that I shouldn't be getting a Sony via because of the route kit 533 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:44,520 fiasco you're probably right but I'm just a dumb consumer and I just want a really good machine 534 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:50,200 so I can still hate Sony for doing that but yeah people and companies make mistakes 535 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:58,760 so it is also divine to uh to forgive particularly if you get a great kick-ass computer out of it 536 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:07,560 but I was missing really I I'm not missing much on on on how it works and how it functions you know 537 00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:12,840 and of course the beauty of the of a Macintosh is that the hardware and the software are pretty much 538 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,720 tightly controlled by the same company so they you know it's like you know there's only so many 539 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:23,880 types of monitors that are going to be hooked up to it so you know uh uh the the operating system 540 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:28,120 knows exactly what capabilities the uh how many people you how many people how many if you're looking 541 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,360 at well listen to this on your computer just look down to see if you receive the Skype message 542 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:39,240 that's Raymond Ford's Skyping Me Raymond I'm in the middle of the show um so you know there's 543 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,480 there's there's there's we don't have that tight integration on windows so there's some things that 544 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,800 you know that that are just a little funky but the one thing I've really been missing 545 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:54,360 is the ability to do an apple key age which is hide and that came out with OS 10 I don't think it was 546 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:59,320 even in the uh in the initial release or maybe if I recall correctly it was in the initial release 547 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,160 and they took it out of the second release and then brought it back because people love it so much 548 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,560 and it's nice because it's control which is the left-hand side of the keyboard and age which is right 549 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:12,520 in the middle so you can tap that with the have long-hand long fingers so I can tap that with one hand 550 00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:17,400 or I can use my other hand it's and I become accustomed to it for you know six years now 551 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:23,160 I've been using control age as control age all-tab that's kind of my the way I navigate around 552 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,280 and it's just nice to control age to move something out of the way if you want to have it back 553 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:32,920 and all-tab and it's back and uh I've been looking for the equivalent of that and I of course 554 00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:37,000 receive lots of email and a and a voicemail feedback about how to do that. 555 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:46,440 Hey Adam how's it going this Kevin reads uh and a couple quick things first of all um an easy way 556 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:53,000 to do hiding in windows with a keyboard and unfortunately it's a two-step process but it's a lot 557 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:59,640 of easier than what you've been doing is when you're in an application hit alt space and then 558 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:07,240 and for minimize it's kind of weird you'd think it was M but it's not it's November 559 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:13,480 so alt space and then N that will minimize the application and bring it to the next one 560 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,920 so that's that's the first thing second thing and then he goes on to talk about being on the 561 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:24,040 Nokia phone which already mentioned thank you Kevin so yeah that's not very handy because it's 562 00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:28,760 two-step process this is all about speed you know by the way um you know how you may have 563 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:36,360 used spotlight on the Mac to find something or I used uh was it quick keys or quick silver quick silver 564 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:42,120 I think it is uh which gives you a quick short cut command you type in the first couple of letters 565 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,880 of whatever it is you're looking for whether it's a document or an application that's the way 566 00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:51,240 I don't navigate you know to my applications folder or down to the dock you know I like using the 567 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,080 keyboard my hands are already there I don't have to move it away from the mouse it's all about 568 00:59:55,080 --> 01:00:00,360 the speed of navigation for me shoot I'd probably be one if I could if I ever learned e-max I'd 569 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:06,120 probably still be using e-max I definitely still pop open a VI editor once in a while 570 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:13,400 but it's not it's not the same thing so I really wanted to control H and Anders Kerson 571 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,240 I thought hope I'm pronouncing that right heard the call and he created a beautiful little 572 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:24,040 application for me you just drop a shortcut into the startup folder and it's hidden you don't see it 573 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:30,200 and it basically maps control key and the H key that combination or any other combination you 574 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:36,040 want you can reset it it basically maps that to the minimize the foremost application command which 575 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:42,200 would be the equivalent to the alt space bar and then the n which is nuts it's the n for no 576 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:49,320 member I mean how stupid is that minimize hmm let's make that an n command they must have had a 577 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:54,760 long meeting and redmin about that shit so anyway Anders thank you so much I love this new app and 578 01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:01,080 if you think it's bug free dude I think you should totally put that out there and let people enjoy this 579 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:08,520 use max and also use windows and just missed that one little wonderful piece of functionality 580 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:13,400 I think they'll be very cool and again I really really do appreciate you putting that together for me 581 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:21,000 dang we've been at it for an hour I got to get to the dmv and even better I got to go home 582 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,400 I want to go home and see my girls 583 01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,640 shows 584 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:31,640 have sex with my wife 585 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:33,640 god I need it 586 01:01:36,250 --> 01:04:37,560 [ Music ] 587 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:52,800 That's why my friends, going home tomorrow, can't wait so much is gonna happen. 588 01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:59,640 The unleash will happen when I get home, pod show UK is gonna open when I get home and 589 01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:04,480 I'm gonna have this wild-ass jungle sex is what's gonna happen when I come home. 590 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,480 Alrighty everybody, okay? 591 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,800 I gotta get ready, that's a lee metaphor by the way. 592 01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,360 I believe he's from Switzerland looking at his email address and he put that up on the 593 01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,720 pod safe music network and send me an email about it and said, hey, what do you think? 594 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:17,720 Maybe for when you're going home. 595 01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:18,960 I said, yeah, that's great. 596 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:19,960 That's fantastic. 597 01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:20,960 Boo-boo. 598 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:26,800 Adamaccurry.com for your feedback, dailysourcecode.com for the latest show on the podcast feed, 599 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:33,240 of course, and Curry.com for the ongoing conversations about all kinds of stuff. 600 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,680 I'm sure I'll get lots of net neutrality comments. 601 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:40,480 Alrighty everybody, thank you very much for sticking with me throughout the past two weeks. 602 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,280 Oh, I'm choking up. 603 01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:46,160 Throughout the past three weeks here in San Francisco, Monday, Lady Patricia on the show, 604 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:47,960 no doubt about it. 605 01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:49,160 You can count on it. 606 01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:56,360 420 everybody, talk to you on Monday, have a great weekend, bye-bye. 607 01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:05,880 Another pod show pod cast, stick it in your ear. 608 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:10,200 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