1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 This podcast is brought to you by Poncho and GoDaddy. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Want Killer content with a badass domain name? 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 This show will give you a special code. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Get great discounts at GoDaddy.com. 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,000 GoDaddy. 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Delta Sierra Charlie 417. 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,000 It was $16 million worth of airplane strapped to my ass. 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Done the next generation radio content in my ears. 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,000 I like to think I'm flying into the future. 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,000 Well, hey everybody, how you doing? 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,000 It is Saturday. 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Welcome to Curry Cottage with a little update on the podcast. 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 We're going to take a nice and easy today. 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Today is Saturday. 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,000 It's the 8th of July, 2006. 16 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,000 We're a couple days post launch and post send off. 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,000 And I really wanted to give you guys an update of what's going on. 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Where everybody's at, what's been happening, how I'm doing, how you doing. 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,000 So, I found some instrumental music actually that I figured. 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,000 I'll play some pod save tunes later on with vocals. 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Let me just tell you who this is before I forget. 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:24,000 This is a dark horse summer dreaming from the Podsick Music Network. 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000 So let me rewind you if you don't mind. 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,000 By the way, I've got my sensei here and I've got everything else that I like having 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,000 to be in a nice chill mood. 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Stake you back to Wednesday. 27 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,000 There you go. 28 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Wednesday was back at the cottage, flew back with easy jet actually. 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Since the aircraft was back in at Ferrox. 30 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,000 I'd sent a foolishly sent Captain Dan back. 31 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Of course, he did have to do something else. 32 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,000 Some other stuff. 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,000 When I arrived on Sunday. 34 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,000 So anyway, so I went back Wednesday. 35 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 I was way too tired to do a show. 36 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,000 It was so much going on because of course the plan was to launch pod show 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,000 plus on July 4th for your full-blown media independence. 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,000 And this was all coinciding at the same time with 39 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:18,000 Mom's passing the private ceremony for the family. 40 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:27,000 And of course, by her request the 50s rock and roll party that I was that I'd organized for her. 41 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,000 And so I was just I was waxed man. 42 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:37,000 Wednesday evening the wind commander who really, he pulled a whole bunch of strings. 43 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:42,000 He actually had someone drop them off in their own plane at Ferrox. 44 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Because I really, you know, first of all, I like having a safety pilot. 45 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,000 Certainly when my mind is on a whole bunch of things. 46 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,000 And definitely if I've got my family with me. 47 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,000 So he was really, really nice. 48 00:02:54,000 --> 00:03:00,000 And he hopped out, jumped in with me, and we took off for Rotterdam. 49 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Which was actually nice flight. 50 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,000 Christina's still a little bit nervous about flying. 51 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Although she's getting much, much better. 52 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,000 And we're paying a lot of attention to it. 53 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,000 You know, making sure that the ride is as smooth as possible. 54 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,000 Requesting different altitudes if it gets too bumpy. 55 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,000 You know, she watches so much. 56 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 So many different horror movies. 57 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,000 Her idea of, you know, airplane disaster is, you know, 58 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Oh, it's, it's a, it's a thunderstorm. 59 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,000 We're being struck by lightning. 60 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,000 You know, the stuff that rarely ever happens. 61 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,000 If at all, it's always some other reason. 62 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:35,000 Um, so he stated to the brand new Western hotel in Rotterdam, 63 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,000 which is nice. 64 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,000 We had two rooms. 65 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,000 And it was, uh, it was just nice to kind of relax. 66 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:44,000 We watched the game, uh, which of course was, um, 67 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,000 a France against Portugal. 68 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,000 Oh, I'm sorry. 69 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Hello. 70 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,000 Is someone coming in? 71 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Yeah. 72 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,000 I thought Patricia was coming in. 73 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,000 It's just the door. 74 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000 Don't go away. 75 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,000 Let me go close. 76 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,000 Come on. 77 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,000 All right. 78 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 There you go. 79 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,000 Um. 80 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:16,000 So we watched the game, which, you know, kind of had half my eye on. 81 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:21,000 Ron, by this time, had arrived in London because we were a big meeting on Monday. 82 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Um, for Pod Show UK. 83 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,000 And of course, at the same time, uh, we're desperately trying to unleash Pod Show 84 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,000 Plus and the podcast delivery network. 85 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,000 And man, it wasn't an incredible time. 86 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:41,000 I was up until three, uh, that evening or Thursday morning, um, on the phone with San Francisco 87 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,000 and Ron was in London and I was in Rotterdam. 88 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,000 And what a pleasure to work with this team that we have at Pod Show. 89 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:52,000 You know, we, we obviously, the, the launch was delayed due to, um, that was due to one 90 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,000 bug. 91 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:58,000 One significant bug that was so significant, of course, was as small as an Ampherson. 92 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:03,000 And what, what really happens is, you know, when you have all these moving pieces coming together, 93 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,000 and if you look at the new Pod Show.com and you see what we've built, I think you'll understand 94 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,000 that there are a lot of moving pieces. 95 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:15,000 And one little anomaly in, uh, in fact, in the data can actually make a huge difference. 96 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,000 And yeah, can, uh, can screw up a lot of stuff. 97 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:24,000 Um, and so we just, because, you know, particularly with the data we use, which is, you know, 98 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,000 people's people's data, making stuff, changing stuff. 99 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Uh, we had hundreds of data testers in there, but you make a new episode, your feed changes. 100 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:36,000 And then, you know, it's, if you can't replicate a problem consistently, then it becomes much harder 101 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,000 to track down. 102 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:42,000 And at a certain point, everyone's tired and then you just have to kind of like regroup and sit down 103 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,000 and, and we beat it all the way down and then we said, okay, then we'll launch tomorrow then. 104 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000 And of course, that was Thursday. 105 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Uh, at this time it already was Thursday, but it would be several hours later, San Francisco 106 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,000 time. 107 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:01,000 So, I decided to, uh, not think I turned off the phone, just completely shut off everything 108 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,000 and concentrated on the day itself, which was fantastic. 109 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,000 We had a very private ceremony, uh, from my mom. 110 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,000 It's just, uh, my sister Tiffany Willow, Bob. 111 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,000 It was a keto and, uh, it's my sister's friend. 112 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,000 Um, she'll hate it if I say boy friend. 113 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,000 A little bit more than that. 114 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Uh, and out of San Dro, uh, Willow's husband came over from Italy and Patricia myself and Christina. 115 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,000 And it was, it was beautiful. 116 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Um, you know, exactly the way my mom wanted it. 117 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:37,000 You know, not a whole bunch of people just us sitting around, um, listening to Vivaldi 118 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,000 and then the last song that was played. 119 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Ah, so typical Elvis Presley's are you alone some tonight, but then in the version where it 120 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,000 cracks up laughing and starts singing the wrong lyrics. 121 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:53,000 So, it's really a fantastic choice because you can laugh and cry at the same time. 122 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,000 It really, it worked very well. 123 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Uh, then we all went back to freshen up and get ready for the 50s rock and roll party, 124 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:07,000 which was held at this place called Catties Diner, um, above Amsterdam, actually, or 125 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,000 just on the outskirts of Amsterdam. 126 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,000 And, you know, my mom was so right. 127 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,000 What a fantastic idea. 128 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:18,000 You know, no uncomfortable speeches, you know, really fun music, a great atmosphere, food, 129 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:23,000 drink and, you know, everyone kind of loosens up and then, you know, instead of people standing 130 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:28,000 up and giving speeches, we all could have personal share personal stories about, uh, about my mom 131 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:34,000 and how she, uh, affected us or touched our lives or, you know, just talked about how she was a person. 132 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:39,000 And it really was a very, I mean, I would recommend, it doesn't have to be the 50s theme, 133 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:44,000 but I would really recommend that as a, depending on your faith, of course, and your beliefs as a 134 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:49,000 great way of healing and kind of transitioning into what is the unavoidable, you know, 135 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,000 void that, that opens up. 136 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,000 You know, even during the party, the party for my mom and thinking, I should ask my mom, 137 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 she'd know that and I'm like, oh, no, wait a minute. 138 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,000 I'll twist this as that. 139 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,000 As by the way, it's for, uh, EL84 from the Pod Sabin music network with forever my love. 140 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:10,000 Man, without instrumental categories, outrageous, big. 141 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:16,000 So after all that was done and everyone had said goodbye, um, and I will be posting pictures, um, 142 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:23,000 at curry.com, and I'll probably put something somewhere in the show notes from the comments section, 143 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,000 maybe even the blog section of dailysourcecode.com, which is still the same address, 144 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:32,000 but you'll see it's now points to the dailysourcecode.com page on the Pod Sabin music, 145 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,000 on the, the Pod show plot, so it's my own page. 146 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:41,000 So, um, you know, why, why we play a full song with vocals, and then we're 147 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,000 talking about the release. 148 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,000 I played these guys before, where they're Wednesday's song, it's a slack stream. 149 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Sun again, we'll shine. 150 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,000 And they can't be music, right? 151 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,000 It makes you want to smile. 152 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,000 In fact, I am smiling. 153 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:11,000 We're slowly lost in weight, and you'll ignore talking straight. 154 00:09:11,000 --> 00:12:00,000 [ Music ] 155 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:10,000 When the world's been rushing me, oh, about this time. 156 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,000 The slack street. 157 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,000 It's on again, well, shine. 158 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,000 And you know it. 159 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Shine it again today. 160 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,000 And the affluent suburb of Surrey. 161 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Known as Kielfitt. 162 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Okay. 163 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,000 So you can hear the fan in the background, by the way. 164 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000 It's not as hot as it was. 165 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,000 We're kind of past the heat wave, but it's still up there. 166 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:37,000 And of course, my room with all the equipment captures all the heat and just kind of holds it all day long. 167 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:43,000 So Friday morning, we woke up on time, kind of in a days, obviously, and got dressed, 168 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,000 checked out the hotel, went off to the airport. 169 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:52,000 The wing commander was, well, now, I need another 50 hour inspection. 170 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Which show, wing commander William does for me and Antwerp. 171 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,000 So that was pretty convenient, because he just fly over and then he'd fly the aircraft back. 172 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,000 He'd get it fixed. 173 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,000 And then sometime next weekend, whenever he'll come, they'll come over. 174 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,000 He'll bring it back and then I'll bring it back and then I'll fly back home and then it's done. 175 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:12,000 It's a little bit of logistics, but at the end of the day, lots of good flying when we go through these exercises. 176 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,000 And it's maintained by someone I trust implicitly, which is probably the most important part, 177 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,000 and who trained me how to fly. 178 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,000 The helicopter, as well as fixed wing. 179 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,000 So he was going to show up at 11. 180 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,000 We were going to do wheels up at 11, which between William and I mean, 181 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:32,000 see at 5, 2, 11, and I'll have the aircraft pre-flighted checked ready to go, loaded, etc. 182 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,000 I kind of love this aircraft so much, the Delta Sierra. 183 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:41,000 I haven't done the thing I've talked about it in a while, but it's a Session 182, 184 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,000 which is really, if you just look at it, I'd say, oh, it's one of those kind of look, 185 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:52,000 this sporty airplanes, but people who know, it's much bigger than a 172, 186 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:58,000 and really can take a full set of luggage, even with two women in the family here. 187 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,000 We were able to get all the luggage in, no problem, it's nice and comfortable, 188 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:07,000 a full-auto pilot, an IFR, you can fly in any conditions, and it's very fast for a 189 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,000 certainly for a single-engine aircraft. 190 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:17,000 So I went out, unlocked the plane, it was at the Rotterdam Jet Center, I got all the luggage in. 191 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:24,000 And there's something you do, by the way, that is really 100% drilled into me for safety. 192 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Whenever you have the keys to an aircraft near the aircraft, you always put them up on the dashboard, 193 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:36,000 so that particularly with the piston engine aircraft, or really only with the piston engine aircraft, I guess, 194 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:43,000 because even though the master switch isn't on, if the key is in the ignition, it's just like a car. 195 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:48,000 If the key is in the ignition, or even a short without the key being in the ignition quite honestly, 196 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:53,000 but it will happen with the key in there, if it's even clicked one little notch to the right, 197 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:59,000 if someone were to touch the prop and turn it, or maybe pushing back the aircraft, it could actually fire up and start, 198 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,000 and that could have disastrous results. 199 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,000 So it's really amongst engineers, predominantly, that this has been drilled into me, 200 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,000 so that, of course, is from William, is whenever you got the keys, put them on the dashboard, 201 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,000 so everyone around that aircraft knows, it can't just fire up by accident. 202 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,000 It's a safety thing, so it's drilled into me. 203 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,000 So I pre-flighted everything, actually added two courts of oil. 204 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:28,000 This was the last time around the mineral oil, it's now getting its whole new lubrication system, whatever that's for another day. 205 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:35,000 And William showed up, and so we all hop into the aircraft, and this is, you know, it's the Rotterdam Jet Center, 206 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:42,000 which is really where all huge private jets come in, so we're kind of small compared to all the other guys, 207 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,000 but it is, you know, it's, they've got the luxury lounge and everything, and you pay for it, 208 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,000 but it, it does make you feel pretty good and important, you know, you walk right out to the airplane, 209 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,000 and people accompany you and carry your bags and help you win, and do anything you need. 210 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,000 They remove your chocks and, you know, the stuff that the two blocks of wood that, 211 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,000 keep your aircraft from rolling, it's a full service outfit. 212 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,000 And I reach for the keys, and they're not there, and I say to William, 213 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,000 it's okay, very funny, you know, he'll do this, he'll do all kinds of stuff like this. 214 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,000 That's a part of the ongoing education, you know, in, like in the middle of the flight, he'll 215 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:18,000 secretly turn off the autopilot and then see how I respond, and it's all basically responding to situations, etc. 216 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,000 So it's a very funny William give me the keys, you know, usually don't last more than 30 seconds, 217 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,000 these practical jokes, because I don't have him, and I knew he didn't have him. 218 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Well, let me tell you, in short, the keys that I know where I always put them, 219 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:39,000 we're gone, and, and we search for an hour and a half, including unloading the entire aircraft, 220 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,000 we went through trash cans, put hands and toilet bowls. 221 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,000 I mean, everything we could do to find these keys, and they were unfindable. 222 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,000 And let me tell you, when you've got that whole legs, luxury set up and everything, 223 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:54,000 it's like standing at the side of the road with your Ferrari, because you ran out of gas. 224 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,000 I mean, it's really stupid and embarrassing. 225 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,000 And well, luckily, William knew how to get a spare key up to the airport, 226 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,000 so we finally got back, and then when I got back, I was like, okay, 227 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,000 I'm going to have a cup of tea and jump right into it. 228 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,000 I know Ron was already doing stuff, and he was online. 229 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:16,000 And San Francisco was up and about as if some of them had not even slept, I believe. 230 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,000 The site was live at this point, and of course, 231 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,000 has all kinds of stuff being worked out, all kinds of little things, 232 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:27,000 and some medium things, and a couple of big things, one of which is that, 233 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:34,000 you know, I popped up in my browser only to see that I was evil. 234 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:41,000 And that I was a hijacker, and stealing feeds, and being a bad dude. 235 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,000 And there's a couple of ways I could have gone at that point, 236 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,000 but I definitely looked towards the heavens and said, okay, mom, 237 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:54,000 give me some fucking strength now, because now we're in for a ride. 238 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:59,000 And you know what, I think, well, actually what I want to do is, 239 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,000 and I desperately want to do a dev cast with a couple, 240 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,000 like a Skype with a couple of folks from Pod Show HQ, 241 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,000 who've been working so hard just to, even while they continue to fix stuff, 242 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,000 just to talk to him, but everyone was so, so slammed, 243 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,000 but that's what we'll get into all the real nitty gritty stuff. 244 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,000 But for now, I do want to explain to you just a little bit about what happened, 245 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,000 what the perception was, and what the reality was. 246 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:35,000 And for 10 foils, 10 foils had moments, 10 foils, 10 foils, 10 foils, 10 foils had moments. 247 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:41,000 And now it's time for the 10 foils have moment. 248 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,000 The Jeff Smith, everybody. 249 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,000 Thank you very much, buddy. 250 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:50,000 Jeff Smith, the Jeff Smith.com G-E-O-F-F for the Jeff. 251 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,000 It's a 10 foils have moment, that's right. 252 00:18:53,000 --> 00:19:01,000 So, let me just explain what the word out there on the internet was, 253 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:06,000 and then what really happened, and how we addressed it, and what the real issues were. 254 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:13,000 So, as you know, Pod Castile is a part of the Pod Show family, 255 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,000 and IndiePotter.org, and so these are huge directories. 256 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:22,000 And we obviously depopulate the Pod Show plus experience, 257 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:27,000 so people can find stuff where we have, I think, a very good search, 258 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,000 which we're still working on. 259 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,000 It's not quite there yet, but it's getting very close. 260 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:36,000 All kinds of ways to integrate within the system. 261 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:42,000 We pull all of the information in basically from the original RSS feed, 262 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,000 the podcast feed, if you will. 263 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:53,000 And just like any other, anyone else who wants to do anything with that information, 264 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:59,000 you basically have to have a local copy because the reliability of external feeds 265 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,000 is just not that high. 266 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,000 And so when we have the information, we want to hold on to that. 267 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,000 For at least 15 minutes or until it's requested again, 268 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,000 so that we can do all kinds of stuff like it, like give you simple ways to add it to channels, 269 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,000 to share it with people, to feed back information, 270 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,000 so there has to be some kind of consistency. 271 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:24,000 So we basically cash that, no different from what iTunes does. 272 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:29,000 Now, what we actually went a couple of steps, 273 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,000 well, let me see, let me back up a second. 274 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,000 No, no, I have to go all the way through. 275 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,000 So if you were to look for any show, 276 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,000 and it doesn't necessarily have to be a Pod Show podcast, 277 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,000 remember, this site is built for audience members and for listeners. 278 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,000 You go searching for the show, 279 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,000 and then you'll find a couple different ways to play the show. 280 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,000 You can click play it, which will fire up our, 281 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000 our dashboard, our player. 282 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,000 I'm more about that later on, 283 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,000 which basically gives you a way to play an episode, 284 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000 but also look at everything else in the feed, 285 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,000 or if it's a part of a channel, 286 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000 you can look at what's coming up next, 287 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,000 and you can jump ahead to stuff. 288 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,000 So there's lots of things going on in there, 289 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,000 but something that I actually like very much 290 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,000 is we're also transcoding the feed, 291 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,000 excuse me, since say this, and say a moment, 292 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,000 brought you all about Apple.podshow.com, 293 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,000 a new site I saw pop up. 294 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,000 We give you a way to play it in Windows Media Player, 295 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,000 which actually works very well. 296 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,000 I'm amazed, also a real player or Winamp, 297 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,000 and then we have an XML button, 298 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,000 which means, hey, here's the raw data, 299 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,000 you can put this into any kind of aggregator or player 300 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,000 that you want to. 301 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,000 So those four buttons, if you will, 302 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,000 or five, actually I think iTunes is there as well. 303 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,000 So those five buttons are all lined up next to each other, 304 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,000 and then underneath it there's a play button 305 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000 for to play it in our dashboard. 306 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000 And all of those, of course, 307 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000 work on this internal copy that we have 308 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,000 the most recent copy of the show, 309 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,000 which is the only way we can reliably produce 310 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,000 a good experience for someone who just wants to listen to the show. 311 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,000 It's that simple. 312 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,000 And what of course should have happened 313 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,000 is the link underneath the orange on white XML button, 314 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,000 which by me is still the standard RSS button. 315 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,000 I know we have this kind of like that Firefox logo 316 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,000 thingy that now it means RSS, 317 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,000 but I'm still kind of old school when it comes to that. 318 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,000 And so that of course should be directly linked to the original, 319 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,000 which contains all the original information, 320 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,000 no added bits from us, the original copyrights, et cetera. 321 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,000 But because we have these internal feeds, 322 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,000 and this is completely a mistake on our part. 323 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,000 It's not a bug. 324 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000 This is funny because people were saying, 325 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000 oh, well, it can't be a bug. 326 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,000 Well, no, wasn't a bug. 327 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,000 It was a dumb mistake, you know, just, 328 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,000 it slipped through. 329 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,000 So instead of linking to the external feed, 330 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,000 it linked to the internal feed. 331 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,000 But what was interesting is that a number of people 332 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,000 who are in the podcast community immediately jumped 333 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,000 on this and said, you know, your thieves, your stealing, 334 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,000 you're taking our feed and, and stripping out copyright. 335 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000 Well, no, I mean, we're not stripping out copyright. 336 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,000 It was just an internal feed. 337 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,000 That's why it's at NA. 338 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,000 It's just like a zero under the copyright link 339 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,000 in our internal feed. 340 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,000 It has different information. 341 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,000 It's not your original feed, which, yeah, I mean, 342 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,000 if we're going to republish that as your feed, 343 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,000 that would be completely wrong. 344 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,000 And by the way, we've also gone back 345 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,000 and fixed the Windows media, the real player, 346 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,000 and the iTunes as well as the, the Winamp feed. 347 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,000 So they reflect all the original information. 348 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,000 It was just, as I said, on my web blog, 349 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000 it was just a mistake, you know, 350 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,000 it, it, QA said, hey, it all works. 351 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Well, of course, but, you know, you had to check 352 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,000 down a couple bits lower. 353 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,000 And again, with all the moving pieces, it slipped through. 354 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,000 Now, no, and now, there are only a few people. 355 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,000 It was nice to see you said, hey, you know, 356 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,000 maybe this is just an honest mistake. 357 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,000 And that's really where, you know, 358 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,000 you see what people are really made of 359 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000 when they come out and say, 360 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000 you know, this is not unintentional. 361 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000 You know, curries way too smart for this. 362 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,000 You know, this is clearly, since they couldn't steal 363 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,000 our content with contracts, now they're doing it 364 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,000 through our feeds. 365 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,000 And just all these horrible, horrible things that were being said, 366 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000 when all that it took was, well, 367 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,000 it actually was even more work than I expected it to be. 368 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,000 Because this code hits five different places. 369 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,000 And you've got to be careful when you're changing things 370 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,000 and alive and, well, we have, of course, 371 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,000 we have a development and data environments. 372 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,000 But when you push something through, 373 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,000 you just got to make sure it all works properly. 374 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,000 And so it was a relatively simple change 375 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,000 to just link back to the original feed. 376 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,000 And with that, it all kind of went away. 377 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,000 But boy, did I learn something about a few people? 378 00:24:54,000 --> 00:25:00,000 Even people who I know have professionally released web services. 379 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,000 You know, this is not just a product that we put in a box. 380 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,000 You know, and there's a whole different level of testing 381 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,000 that goes on with a product that gets put in a box 382 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000 and shipped out or downloaded and run. 383 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000 I mean, this is something that is continuously morphing. 384 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,000 The data is the data that the users and, in this case, 385 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000 audience members and podcasters have flowing 386 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000 through the veins of the system. 387 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,000 So there's a lot of variables that you can hit. 388 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,000 A lot of people do some incredibly interesting things, 389 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,000 which guess what? 390 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,000 They don't always conform to what technologists and engineers expect. 391 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,000 And so we're learning to come closer together. 392 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000 And that's working quite well. 393 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,000 But for these people who know how, if you really look at it, 394 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,000 you can see, oh wait a minute, yeah, I see what happened. 395 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:46,000 These guys put all these internal feeds into these other player options. 396 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,000 And then they just put the external feed underneath the XML button, 397 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,000 which if anyone had just said, hey, you should just link to our, 398 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,000 to the original feed, and it would have been okay. 399 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000 You know, but all the screaming and yelling, 400 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,000 which actually worked quite in our favor, 401 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,000 because, and some people even, 402 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,000 weren't even accusing me of this being the plan, 403 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,000 like trying cause controversy immediately. 404 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000 So we were like, number two on Technoradi, 405 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000 which is amazing. 406 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,000 And of course, because of all that, this unleash, 407 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,000 although I certainly was talking it up on the Charlie, 408 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,000 you know, there was no press release that went out. 409 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,000 This was just to go live and get it going, 410 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,000 but there were so many people in the system at this time, 411 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,000 several hundred that it became a much bigger deal. 412 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,000 And, you know, we're our data center as all modularly built. 413 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:36,000 So, you know, you find out pretty quickly how many simultaneous users 414 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,000 you can handle on one box. 415 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,000 And so, man, we brought on six extra boxes. 416 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,000 So that was really good. 417 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000 And now that things have stabilized, you know, 418 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,000 some things have been temporarily shut off or don't work, 419 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,000 but in general, everything is there. 420 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000 And I'm using it and loving it, 421 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,000 because we built this as audience members. 422 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,000 You know, this is how Andrew Grumman and I worked 423 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,000 in the early days when he was doing lemon. 424 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,000 And with many, many different teams, you know, 425 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,000 really from an audience perspective, and hey, you know, 426 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,000 yeah, let's look at the image instead of the text links. 427 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,000 And why don't we look at things horizontally instead of vertically. 428 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,000 And I'm using it, and I'm really, really enjoying it. 429 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,000 And I'm liking all the, I'm not a my space guy 430 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000 or a real social network person. 431 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,000 Yeah, and a couple of porn sites, but, you know. 432 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,000 But I'm seeing a lot of value in it. 433 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,000 I really am. 434 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,000 And I encourage you to go to dailysourcecode.com. 435 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,000 And leave a comment. 436 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,000 You know, you can dig the show. 437 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000 You can create a channel. 438 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,000 You can interact with other listeners to the Charlie. 439 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,000 And sign up and let's have some fun. 440 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,000 And come up with ideas. 441 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,000 Will you please? 442 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,000 Because this is just the beginning. 443 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,000 This is just the baseline barrier to entry. 444 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,000 There's so many incredible things. 445 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,000 Just even playing around with the system. 446 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,000 Come up with great ideas. 447 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,000 You know. 448 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,000 Uh, this is just a shit load. 449 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,000 A lot of stuff. 450 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,000 Um, so, uh, let's see. 451 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,000 Yeah, that went until about two o'clock this morning. 452 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,000 And, uh, then I went to bed. 453 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,000 And this morning I got up. 454 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,000 And I could really see that everything was stable. 455 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,000 And, uh, and now we can really start moving forward. 456 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,000 Uh, creating, uh, and, you know, just an example. 457 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,000 The, the player that you're seeing. 458 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,000 Now we call it the bubble player. 459 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,000 Uh, it is not what we intended to release with. 460 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,000 Or unleash with. 461 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,000 It's, uh, it's really just, uh, almost an engineering technical design. 462 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,000 You know. 463 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:41,000 So there's, there's a new player, which will be coming in the next couple of days. 464 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,000 Um, you already see some of the functionality in there. 465 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,000 You know, if you're listening to a show that you just find somewhere within the network, 466 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,000 you can add it to your channels really easily right from the player. 467 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,000 You can, uh, fire up entire channels from the player. 468 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,000 It really, it becomes, uh, an interface you can use with just the, 469 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,000 the, the, the play out, uh, bits, uh, that you, uh, that you, uh, that you would want. 470 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,000 But you can also get the functionality without going to the larger site itself, 471 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000 or going into your account. 472 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,000 Uh, good. 473 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,000 So there you have it. 474 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,000 Uh, we're cruising along. 475 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,000 Lots of stuff to, lots of stuff to deal with and lots of stuff to work on. 476 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:24,000 And I, once again, I want to thank everybody at, uh, at Pod Show for just a bang-up job. 477 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,000 And for working so hard through your holiday weekend, uh, you know, 478 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,000 and people jump in to help out. 479 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000 And of course, so congratulations to Richard Brueher, 480 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,000 and, uh, and his lovely wife, Ali, um, who on the 4th of July, um, 481 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,000 just near the very end there on the day of our, the official day of our unleashed, 482 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,000 uh, unhead, uh, an unleashed of their cell, their own. 483 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:52,000 Uh, Addison Brueher, hey, is now welcome, uh, to the family, a beautiful baby girl, 484 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,000 six pounds, two ounces, I think, uh, 485 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,000 guess everyone's back home already, and, uh, 486 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000 oh, what's this? 487 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,000 I got, is that an email for Patricia? 488 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,000 My wife is emailing me. It's driving me nuts. 489 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,000 From downstairs. She's probably emailing me houses. 490 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:16,000 Um, yeah, everybody thanks, and particularly thank you for being so patient. 491 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:22,000 I know we had a lot of hiccups with, uh, with registration emails and, and all kinds of stuff. 492 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,000 Um, in general, everyone was just really irritated, 493 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,000 but extremely nice about it and understanding, and, uh, 494 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,000 and I think that we're paying it off now that you're able to get in. 495 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,000 Okay, let's play another song, and, uh, 496 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000 then we'll close down this up there. 497 00:30:38,750 --> 00:33:12,000 [ Music ] 498 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:22,000 Maybe you mean everything to me, everything to me, everything to me. 499 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000 Broken Jair from Kansas and listed on the Podsame Music Network. 500 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,000 You'll find links and show notes at dailysourcecode.com. 501 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,000 You probably noticed depending on how you're listening to the show that I still have the American flag butterfly in my podcast picture. 502 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000 I'm going to leave that up for a couple more days. 503 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,000 You know by now that my mom was nuts about butterflies. 504 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:49,000 Of course, everybody, as I told you, took a butterfly out of her box and wore it during the party, 505 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,000 also during the cremation, of course. 506 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:59,000 My mom was nuts about butterflies and it's almost like magical. 507 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:05,000 You see her pass away in the time where butterflies are just coming to life. 508 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,000 They only live for a week or two weeks and they're all over the place. 509 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,000 Whenever I see a butterfly, it's really easy and nice and comforting for me to think about my mom. 510 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,000 And for those of you who knew her and those of you who know her or knew her, 511 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,000 by Cariously through the source code, I'd like you to think about that as well. 512 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,000 Next time you see a butterfly, think about my mom. 513 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,000 Okay, everybody. 514 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000 There might be an update tomorrow. 515 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,000 Lots of stuff happening in London this week. 516 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000 So I hope to bring you up to speed on that. 517 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,000 As I said, Ron's here. 518 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:39,000 So certainly busy Monday and Tuesday and we'll be preparing for stuff tomorrow in London. 519 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:44,000 And also, I hope you had time to stop and think about to 777, 520 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000 which was the 7th of July. 521 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,000 The one year anniversary of the bombings in London, 522 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,000 a hard spot to those people as well. 523 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,000 Hey, everybody. 524 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,000 I'll see you on podshow.com on the plus side. 525 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,000 Bye-bye. 526 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,000 Another podshow podcast. 527 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,000 Stick it in your ear. 528 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:09,000 Get this podcast and we're great ones like it on the high performance podcast 529 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,000 delivery network from Podshow and line-white networks. 530 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,000 I love it.