1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,440 This podcast is brought to you by Pod Show and GoDaddy. 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,440 What killer content with a bad ass domain name? 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:20,080 This show will give you a special code to get great discounts at GoDaddy.com. 4 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:22,760 Dildesiro Charlie 4.5 Niner 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,280 No, no, no, you think it is. 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,800 If the Dildesiro Charlie 4.5 Niner. 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,800 Yeah, no. 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:28,800 With the very nice Adam Curry. 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:29,640 Don't like him. 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,520 And sometimes the lovely Patricia Pi. 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:32,880 Nice Terts. 12 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,640 Dildesiro Charlie 4.5 Niner. 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,240 But forget that number. 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,040 This is the first Charlie of the rest of your life. 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,040 With $16 million worth of airplane strapped to my ass. 16 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,040 And the next generation radio content in my ears. 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:56,040 I like to think I'm flying into the future. 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,040 Hey, everybody. 19 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,040 It is the Daily Source Code. 20 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:02,040 That's a surprise. 21 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,040 Wait a minute. 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,040 No Pod Safe Song to start off the show. 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,040 That's right. 24 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:07,040 Because we're going to do something different today. 25 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,040 While the entire world I'm sure is talking about September the 11th. 26 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:18,040 We're going to talk about stupid stuff on Skype from Portland. 27 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,040 Portland. 28 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,040 Portland. 29 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,040 Portland. 30 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,040 It's my friend Ken Clark. 31 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,040 Kenster J. 32 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:30,040 Who I haven't spoken to in what can a year. 33 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,040 Do I? 34 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,040 Am I on? 35 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,040 It's working. 36 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,040 It's working. 37 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,040 You're on, baby. 38 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,040 You're fine. 39 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,040 He had to teach me how to use the new version of Skype. 40 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,040 It had been a while. 41 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,040 It's been so long. 42 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,040 I don't have the latest version of Skype months. 43 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,040 Six months, maybe. 44 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,040 Yeah. 45 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,040 Well, of course, we've had some email contact. 46 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,040 Actually, I tried calling yourself phone last night. 47 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,040 Because I thought that yesterday was Sunday. 48 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,040 Silly me. 49 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,040 I was going to bust you up. 50 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,040 And I don't know what number I have. 51 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,040 But I got like some answering machine that was in Spanish. 52 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,040 That would not have been mine. 53 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,040 Well, no, but the person who I called was nice enough to call back. 54 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,040 I guess I got my number from caller ID. 55 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,040 And I'm like, hello. 56 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,040 Hello. 57 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,040 No, no, no, no, no. 58 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,040 What's your name? 59 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,040 Come on. 60 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,040 Go ahead. 61 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,040 Tell me. 62 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,040 You can't pretend. 63 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,040 No, Ken Clark. 64 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,040 No, Ken Clark. 65 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:27,040 No, Ken Clark. 66 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,040 A little background on Ken. 67 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:36,040 For those of you who joined the daily source code in the past six months, I guess. 68 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:43,040 Like Ken and I go way back to when I first started MTV in 1987. 69 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,040 87. 70 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,040 87. 71 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,040 Yes. 72 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,040 Ken was the director of on air talent. 73 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,040 Well, is it was that the title, Ken? 74 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,040 Or was it at that point? 75 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,040 I think I was like the VGA coordinator. 76 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,040 Right. 77 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,040 The director ship probably came later. 78 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,040 Yeah. 79 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,040 It's like, give me my coffee. 80 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,040 Ken bitch. 81 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,040 Now. 82 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,040 But Ken had already been there for what five or six years before. 83 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,040 I even got there. 84 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,040 Ken. 85 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:12,040 I started in New Year's Eve, 1984 and 1984. 86 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,040 Okay. 87 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,040 So three years. 88 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,040 Three years. 89 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:16,040 Good. 90 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,040 Yeah. 91 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,040 And over the past two years on the daily source code from time to time, 92 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,040 Ken and I will catch up for something called the MTV Chronicles. 93 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:29,040 And we'll just, you know, talk about some crap about old times. 94 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:34,040 And I think sometimes it has something to do with MTV, sometimes it doesn't. 95 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,040 That's true. 96 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,040 Well, in this case. 97 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,040 Right. 98 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,040 In this case, there are actually two reasons for us to do another MTV Chronicles. 99 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,040 Although it will also be just kind of an update in general. 100 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:52,040 The first one was the 25th anniversary of MTV, which of course passed by very silently from the MTV side. 101 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:58,040 And Ken is much more ingrained in the MTV alumni community. 102 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,040 I've, I've no one ever emailed me. 103 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:02,040 I'm completely shunned. 104 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,040 The alumni, the alumni mailing list. 105 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,040 There was a five year cut off. 106 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,040 If you were with MTV within the first five years, you made the list. 107 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:13,040 Oh, really? 108 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,040 Oh, I didn't know that. 109 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,040 Okay. 110 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,040 And I, I was in there. 111 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,040 I started out in a three and a half, four years in. 112 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,040 So I, you were just on the other side of the cut off for the alumni list. 113 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,040 You know, it's so often that I'll read in the, in a newspaper or in an, 114 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,040 in any kind of mainstream publication, you know, Adam Curry, 115 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,040 one of the first VJs. 116 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,040 I'm like, man, you know, first of all, obviously they're not doing research, 117 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:40,040 but it must really bug like the original guys that, you know, 118 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,040 I don't know if any of them care anymore. 119 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,040 Yeah, of course they do. 120 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,040 Of course they do. 121 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,040 They're pretty laid back about it. 122 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,040 Yeah, but I mean, you just like fuck, you know, it's just irritating. 123 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,040 They could say early MTV VJ. 124 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,040 And that would be relatively true. 125 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,040 Yeah, but it's funny to think that, but if you look at 25 years, 126 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:08,040 you were there from like five to 10 or 11 or 12 years into MTV's life. 127 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,040 Yeah, you would have been an early MTV. 128 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,040 Well, what happened was, just as I came into MTV, 129 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,040 they were going to 40 million households. 130 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,040 Remember, we still had to do a lot of sucking up to cable companies. 131 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,040 We had to go blow them and go do like they were coming. 132 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,040 They were going to send their grandchildren and their advertisers. 133 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,040 Kids down to the studio to meet Adam Curry. 134 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,040 Like there was some no redstone themselves. 135 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,040 You know, they've got some some cable company in Botfuck. 136 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,040 And like, you know, and at that point, they really were just like, 137 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,040 cable, you know, trench diggers. 138 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,040 Didn't we call them trench diggers, too, at the time? 139 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,040 We got some more trench diggers coming through with a grand kid. 140 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,040 Remember that? 141 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,040 No, frankly. 142 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,040 Oh, well, I remember that was the distribution at the time. 143 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,040 I mean, I was like really important for MTV to get on basic cable. 144 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,040 Remember that? 145 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,040 It was. 146 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,040 Because it was. 147 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,040 A lot of cable companies said, now we're going to push you up into the premium packages. 148 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:08,040 And I think it was for that very reason that MTV was so censored really. 149 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,040 I mean, how careful did we have to be with anything? 150 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,040 You couldn't offend anyone in the music industry, 151 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:20,040 and he sponsored and certainly got someone in BF. 152 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,040 Because then we might get thrown off of this. 153 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:23,040 They did work. 154 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,040 Very hard. 155 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:29,040 And employed a whole bunch of people to ensure that MTV offended no one. 156 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,040 Affiliate relations was always. 157 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,040 Wasn't that it? 158 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,040 Who were always calling down? 159 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,040 Yeah, but there was also that the head censor Michelle von Thos. 160 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,040 Oh, there's a forgotten about her. 161 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,040 Yeah. 162 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,040 The hammer. 163 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:42,040 She would go through the lyrics, right? 164 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,040 The lyrics of every single lyrics. 165 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,040 The videos. 166 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,040 She basically had the final say as to what the hammer. 167 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,040 Is that what she was called the hammer? 168 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,040 Michelle von Thos. 169 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,040 The hammer. 170 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,040 She's living out here at this point in the lovely Pacific Northwest. 171 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,040 Is she no longer with MTV networks? 172 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,040 Oh, no. 173 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,040 No. 174 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,040 She's not. 175 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,040 She probably had a breakdown from that crap. 176 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,040 I withhold all come in. 177 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,040 Oh, really? 178 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,040 Wait a minute. 179 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,040 I don't know. 180 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,040 I don't know. 181 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,040 I really don't know. 182 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,040 Oh, I know. 183 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,040 I've got to rest a May one time at an advertising agency from someone named Michelle 184 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,040 von Thos who had just relocated from New York. 185 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,040 And obviously, she was no longer with the channel. 186 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,040 She's no longer with the channel. 187 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,040 Tom Fresher. 188 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,040 No, there is Tom Fresher right. 189 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,040 Yeah. 190 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,040 So that was another reason for us to get on the honkers because well, 191 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,040 we have lots of stories that we've actually withheld about Tom Fresher in the past. 192 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:40,040 And of course, 193 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,640 I'm not going to hold back any more now. 194 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,960 Well, we'll talk about that in a second. 195 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,560 I know the one you're thinking about. 196 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:48,560 Yeah. 197 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:49,560 We'll see if we get there. 198 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,560 That's not a funny light story. 199 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,560 And that's pretty heavy. 200 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,560 No, it's not a light story. 201 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,840 But I do have a funny time-pressed-in story. 202 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,040 All right, hit me with the Tom Freston story first. 203 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,880 Well, it's just, we were all, you know, let's just, let's just position this for a second 204 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,840 because people may not even know what the hell is going on. 205 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:18,520 Tom Freston was CEO of MTV Networks, which was MTV VH1 and Nickelodeon, from trying 206 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:24,000 to think, wasn't John Reardon there before him? 207 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,000 I don't know. 208 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,000 I'll say there was the President of MTV and then he became the right, that's right. 209 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,000 Now, he's the right. 210 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,000 The network. 211 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Right, right. 212 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,840 I don't remember where Reardon fell in there, but Reardon was a big mockery muck in the 213 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:36,840 day as well. 214 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:37,840 I don't know what happened. 215 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,960 It's, um, and then my graph was graph. 216 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:41,960 A graph. 217 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:42,960 Yeah. 218 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,560 So every time Freston moved up, my graph would be right. 219 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:51,020 Now, Freston went to become a more respect for Judy McGrath than I did for Tom 220 00:08:51,020 --> 00:08:52,020 Freston. 221 00:08:52,020 --> 00:08:53,020 Well, exactly. 222 00:08:53,020 --> 00:08:56,480 So my point was going to be after a whole bunch of rap and with you as the Tom Freston, 223 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:57,720 I was never impressed by him. 224 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,720 I never thought he did anything intelligent for the channel. 225 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,680 I thought he was just an accountant that sat up there and just like, you know, smoked 226 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:04,840 dope with people. 227 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,880 Didn't actually seem like he contributed to anything within the channel. 228 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:14,240 Do you ever see him in any meeting of any significance ever, um, no, go ahead. 229 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,280 On the rare occasion that I did, though he never knew who I was. 230 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,080 I was with the channel for 10 years. 231 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:21,080 That's right. 232 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:22,080 Who's that guy? 233 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,960 I know it was worse than that. 234 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,720 And I was a director of honor director of honor talented at that point. 235 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,400 And he would, why, we, we all, everybody just verified this to it. 236 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,160 The MTV alumni reunion in New York that I had. 237 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,560 And she's going to tell us about, yeah, we got, there's nothing scandalous, but yeah, 238 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:38,920 I'll tell you about it. 239 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,200 We just all got hammered. 240 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,200 Uh-huh. 241 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,680 And everybody was laughing because they remembered, Freston would walk into a room and he, he would 242 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:47,280 say, well, hi, Adam, how are you? 243 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:48,880 Hi, Bob, hi, hi, Dave. 244 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:49,880 Hi, nice to see you. 245 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:50,880 Hi. 246 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,480 And he'd look at me and he'd say, and who the hell are you? 247 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,120 Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. 248 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,120 Every time. 249 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,720 And that, and they'd say, well, this is Ken Clark. 250 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,480 He's the director of honor talent. 251 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:02,480 Oh, yeah, right. 252 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,320 He's a hundred grand a year, Mr. Freston. 253 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,320 Surely you know that. 254 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:06,320 I know. 255 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,120 He's just a human flash-wasting money. 256 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,520 So then, you know, two weeks later, I bill hi, Dave, who said hello to you. 257 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,360 I mean, and that went on for 10 years. 258 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:17,920 Well, so anyway, so I remember how it went. 259 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:23,960 I think Freston moved up as Frank Beyondy moved up to corporate. 260 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:24,960 And I forgot about. 261 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:25,960 Yeah. 262 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,720 Oh, you know, I, I met his daughter the other day, beyondy's, beyondy's daughter is working 263 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:31,720 at zero. 264 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,680 Barbie, barbie, barbie, barbie, beyondy. 265 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:37,320 She doesn't show now with Martha Stewart's daughter. 266 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,920 It's pretty funny. 267 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,200 Anyway, so he moved up and then, and the graph, oh, no, then they brought in Reardon. 268 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,440 I remember it was really weird because John Reardon, no, wait a minute. 269 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:47,440 I'm sorry. 270 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:48,440 We had Lee Masters. 271 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,960 Oh, I like Lee Masters was the shit. 272 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,200 He's the guy that hired me. 273 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,000 He hired me. 274 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,000 He was MTV Networks president. 275 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,000 That's how it worked. 276 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,000 He was in writing network. 277 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,000 MTV president. 278 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:06,040 Freston went to MTV Networks, then Reardon came in, and when Reardon came in, Lee went 279 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,040 out. 280 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:12,320 He started E Entertainment, which was the movie channel, what was it, what was it called? 281 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:13,320 What was it called? 282 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,280 It was called, it was called something else. 283 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:18,280 Are you sure? 284 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:19,280 Yeah. 285 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,440 It was like a movie kind of a gossipy. 286 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,360 No, it was some kind of movie channel. 287 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,360 It was dumb. 288 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:25,360 Yes. 289 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,800 Yes, naturally V. I'm such a fan of Lee and snatched TV. 290 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,480 But then Reardon was living in Tom Freston's house. 291 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:35,880 You remember that? 292 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:41,280 And then Tom Freston fired up much, obviously, he had access to a much higher level 293 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,280 of executive. 294 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,920 It was really weird because he was in Freston's house and then Freston fired him and 295 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,280 never to be heard from again. 296 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,760 Where was Freston, why weren't Freston in Freston's wife in Freston's house? 297 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,320 They were, they were living with the Frestons. 298 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:58,800 It was really weird. 299 00:11:58,800 --> 00:11:59,800 It really was. 300 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,840 And he didn't, Reardon didn't last for like half a year. 301 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,440 Well, did the guy move out immediately? 302 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,440 I think so. 303 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:07,440 Yeah. 304 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:08,840 It was like a really weird situation. 305 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:09,840 I don't know. 306 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,840 Maybe he was known to come with Freston's wife. 307 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:12,840 Didn't they split up? 308 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,080 You got a divorce, didn't he? 309 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:15,080 Freston? 310 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,080 No, I didn't have. 311 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,400 Yeah, I think so. 312 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:22,720 So anyway, so Tom Freston just last week was very publicly fired. 313 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,760 By the way, what? 314 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,160 He claimed he resigned. 315 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:27,560 No, come on, please. 316 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:29,960 Can't, I mean, it's in the business press. 317 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,160 Everyone's saying he was fired and the reasons were. 318 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,160 So I'm going to redstone, who owns a Viacom. 319 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,120 Viacom. 320 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,120 Viacom. 321 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,000 It was like 83 and humble, this guy was unbelievable. 322 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,960 You don't fuck you, don't fuck you, don't fuck you, don't fuck. 323 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,960 Tom, Tom, Tom, no shit. 324 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,600 So Freston apparently had missed out on the MySpace acquisition, which is what Fox 325 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:53,600 got. 326 00:12:53,600 --> 00:13:01,200 Rupert Murdoch, of course, arch enemy of Sumner Redstone and say, excuse me, overall 327 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,200 ratings. 328 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,960 No, the overall strategy was unclear and you know, they haven't really gotten anything 329 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:06,960 together. 330 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,920 So that really felt, and I agree, it did kind of feel like MTV's lagging around. 331 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:16,120 And then the most recent video musical words ratings were down 30 percent. 332 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,920 I think that was like, you know, the straw that broke the camel's back. 333 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,560 Oh, I had that on my list. 334 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:22,560 Did you watch it? 335 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,840 Oh, you know, I sat here with Christina. 336 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:25,840 I didn't. 337 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,840 So I can't. 338 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:33,360 Oh, well, Christina's 16, she's perfect MTV age, she sits down and she loves all kinds 339 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:34,360 of music. 340 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,760 But after 15 minutes, she says, I can't stand it, it's just too much hip hop. 341 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:38,760 It's too much fucking hip. 342 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,400 I don't mind a little bit of hip hop, but it's all hip hop. 343 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,680 She could, she literally walked away. 344 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:49,320 I actually, I had to t-boat it and I too find myself fast forwarding through at least 345 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,320 three acts. 346 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,320 I'm just like, okay. 347 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:53,800 It's just too much. 348 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,840 I saw like a wrap up on, you know, entertainment tonight or something. 349 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:02,400 And I realized that I really, really am now completely out of touch. 350 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:04,680 We're old, officially. 351 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:07,680 I thought I knew what was going on. 352 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:10,720 No, but I know, but I obviously not. 353 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,600 And Jack Black was just horrible. 354 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,600 And I think he's a very funny guy. 355 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:16,400 Great actor. 356 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:17,800 I can't really like him. 357 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:18,400 Yeah. 358 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,560 This was definitely no. 359 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,480 Oh, it was, it was just not happening. 360 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,880 It was like everything was supposed to go wrong. 361 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,360 And it wasn't funny the way they were, it's just wasn't funny. 362 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:28,680 It wasn't funny. 363 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,160 So anyway, so Tom Fresen's out. 364 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,720 So that means that MTV is in flux. 365 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,800 And who is this guy? 366 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,200 They brought back this, with a D. 367 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,400 Daughter, what's his name? 368 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:42,440 I think he was name. 369 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,160 Yeah, it was a guy who'd done something before. 370 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,160 Anyway, what I'm looking for that, 371 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,960 what a lot of people commented on on this year's video 372 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,360 musical awards, particularly the pre-game show, 373 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,560 is John Norris and Kurt Loder. 374 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:00,400 I still alive. 375 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:05,760 I actually, several people either called or emailed me 376 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:12,440 about John Norris's hair color, about John Norris 377 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:13,040 in general. 378 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,640 I just think, you know, I feel really bad saying that 379 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,960 because I got along with John, you know, 380 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,560 but that was, I never did. 381 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,120 I never got along with him and he hated me. 382 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,680 I did okay with John, I really did. 383 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,400 I have nothing personal against him. 384 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,840 It's just that that was like 15 years ago. 385 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,880 And we've all grown up and I turn the thing on 386 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,520 and he's still sitting there. 387 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,200 Like Frankenstein talking to these people 388 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,280 and there is something hermetically preserved 389 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:42,360 looking about him. 390 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,840 I just, for Maldahide does wonders. 391 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,440 I question how stimulating that job can still be. 392 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,440 He always wanted to be, you know, 393 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,480 this is where exactly where you wanted to be. 394 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,080 And, you know, the MTV News Department, 395 00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:59,760 bless him because they did, 396 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,400 I have to say, transform the channel 397 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,320 with a lot of their long-form programming 398 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,720 and a lot of it really, really top-notch stuff. 399 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,960 And they totally drove that and Dave Ceronek certainly. 400 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:12,440 And he was great. 401 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,400 And I heard Kurt was very important to the channel 402 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,240 because he was a really credible, 403 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,080 he was a journalist at the time he joined the channel. 404 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,360 The problem is whenever he goes to interview someone, 405 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,240 he has the personality of a fucking dish rag. 406 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:27,240 Well, that's true. 407 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,400 I mean, he just, that's the downside. 408 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,280 He's a great writer, great journalist, 409 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,680 but I never thought he was a huge TV personality. 410 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,160 No, he's very, and I'm quite certain 411 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,480 that he would probably agree. 412 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:38,760 He's very, very, very. 413 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,480 Certainly after 10 Martinez. 414 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,360 I really, he could knock him down my boy, Kurt. 415 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,640 He could slow him down like, you know, 416 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,120 he'd been pushed out there and he would endure it. 417 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,600 Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right. 418 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,120 He would endure them in a long, you know, 419 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,480 MTV news snippet, but as soon as it was over, 420 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,200 I was like, for Christ, they'd give me a cigarette. 421 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,240 You know, the cigarette was always right out of the... 422 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,080 Like mine. 423 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:05,280 Mine was always under the table too. 424 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,960 I know, which we're always smoking. 425 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,480 We were always smoking in the studio. 426 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,120 Part of the fun thing about going back to New York 427 00:17:11,120 --> 00:17:14,160 that week of the MTV reunion. 428 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,000 Yeah. 429 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,520 And seeing a lot of people, some of which I, 430 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,280 some of whom were gone well before you even got there. 431 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,440 I saw the lady that first picked up the phone 432 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,240 when I was a college kid in Ohio, 433 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,000 and I kept calling MTV trying to get somebody on the phone, 434 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,600 they gave me the time of day. 435 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,040 In this lady named Claire Joseph picked up the phone 436 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,600 and finally, and talked to me, 437 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,040 and helped me get in touch with Brian Godchew. 438 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:38,880 Was Brian there? 439 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:39,720 Was Brian Godchew? 440 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:40,560 Yeah, yeah. 441 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:41,560 Excellent. 442 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,280 As was Claire Joseph, and she left before, 443 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,360 you know, I guess she went to VH one or something, 444 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:49,520 but I had not seen Claire Joseph in like 20 years. 445 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,760 And so like I, I just went right over to her, 446 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,800 and I said, Claire, you know, how the fuck are you? 447 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,160 You may not remember me, but, and I like, 448 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,480 like, I don't know, like, almost made her cry. 449 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:01,560 Really? 450 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:02,600 I mean, in a good way, 451 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,640 because I said really, if you hadn't taken the time 452 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,560 to be a nice lady, I hadn't know what they all would have happened. 453 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,800 I like, I would end it up like all my other friends 454 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,600 school, you know, like working in a gas station in Toledo 455 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,960 with a deeper capital L loser. 456 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,880 All right, so, so, so, so, so, so, first of all, 457 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,240 it was Philip Domin, that name doesn't ring a bell 458 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,160 and Thomas dolly, that, that does ring a bell. 459 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,400 Dolly rings a very distant bell, hang down. 460 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,360 Yeah, time, dolly, it does. 461 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:36,240 And that said, well, was he, was that a song? 462 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,080 Was he? 463 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,160 Oh, the, the new team, down, yeah, Domin and Dolly 464 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,120 is the same one that led Viacom from 96 to 2000 465 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:45,960 after Redstone and fired an earlier, 466 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,360 oh, after he had fired an earlier CEO, Frank beyondy. 467 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:49,360 There you go. 468 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:50,200 There he is. 469 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,720 So, when beyondy went out, 470 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,480 fresh then moved up, and those guys moved into, 471 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,600 into Viacom, into running Viacom. 472 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,160 They sound like an afternoon showed. 473 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,560 Everybody, it's Domin and Dolly, 474 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:04,840 we're the, yeah, here, we're on the MTV 475 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,040 and she's not always everybody, yeah, 476 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,800 we got some really good, interactive stuff, 477 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,480 we're your social networking stuff. 478 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,520 All right, so who was there? 479 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,760 Who was at the, at the 25th reunion? 480 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,800 And by the way, it would have been nice to have been invited. 481 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,760 It was this only, this is a five year thing, too. 482 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,560 Well, no, actually, that was probably open to everybody. 483 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,800 T, and I, I see, I see. 484 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,400 Take more blame than anybody else, 485 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,680 but it was, it was kind of assembled 486 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,360 by really, really early people. 487 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:32,320 I was in America, I was in San Francisco, 488 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,760 but I would have come to New York. 489 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,440 Well, they, they didn't, there was an LA 490 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:36,800 that you could have gone down to LA 491 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,200 and joined Martha Quinn and Nina Blackwood. 492 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,640 Okay, well, I'm glad you didn't tell me that. 493 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,640 And Ken's size, Lure. 494 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,560 Ken's size, well, there was, there was a simultaneous gig 495 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,040 held on both coasts. 496 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,200 Oh, was it a satellite link up? 497 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,600 Well, they tried, but nobody could make anything go, I don't think. 498 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,240 It was, there was a video cast done of it 499 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,320 and it was, it is available online somewhere. 500 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:01,560 Excellent. 501 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,000 All right, so who was in New York? 502 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,440 Who did you, who did you see? 503 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,200 You know, there was a huge list of people 504 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,240 that wouldn't mean anything to anybody. 505 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,440 Right, skip them. 506 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:17,600 The, was Julian Goldberg, still at MTV, 507 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:18,720 when you were there? 508 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:19,960 Jillian Goldberg? 509 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:20,760 Jillian. 510 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:21,960 Jillian? 511 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:22,960 Yeah. 512 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,080 He was a tall bald guy who was very instrumental 513 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,600 in the early MTV days. 514 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,240 There had been like Ken's size, Lure, 515 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,240 and Jillian Goldberg. 516 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,600 Were these in the honor promo department, guys? 517 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,960 No, they were probably heads of production. 518 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:35,960 I don't think so. 519 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,760 I don't know. 520 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,520 Size little rings are gone, but Jillian Goldberg 521 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,400 was the original executive producer of MTV. 522 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,040 Well, I, one of the things I found for the reunion party, 523 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,880 I, you know, because I have the vaults of stuff, 524 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,480 is I put together these little packets 525 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,480 and had them all copied and bound to pass out to people. 526 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,680 Oh, that's nice. 527 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,920 Funny things like, you know, the Michael Jackson Memo, 528 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,440 the infamous Hammer Memo, and I had the original 529 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:07,440 five press releases from MTV, a subsidiary of Warner Amix. 530 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:08,880 Oh, that's right. 531 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:09,720 That's right. 532 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,480 And now I'm seeing the hiring of Mark Allen, J.J. Nina. 533 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,320 Oh, that's cool. 534 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,440 And so, Jillian was there. 535 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,120 Did you hand out any of the, any of the blooper 536 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:23,840 really have? 537 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,160 No, I didn't take any video. 538 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,160 Dude, we've got to put that online. 539 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,120 We've got to put that online. 540 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:31,720 Oh, you know, I had a great conversation with, 541 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,320 I ended up having a couple of gin and tonics at the bar 542 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:35,640 with Rick Krim. 543 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,080 Oh, I like Rick Krim, who's all right. 544 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,760 I always liked Rick Krim, the minute I saw him, 545 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,760 I was like, Rick, dude, Rick is a VP at VH1. 546 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,160 I think, still in talent, artist relations. 547 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,440 So he's with the network, no longer with the channel. 548 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,160 And I kind of like VH1, you know, VH1 sometimes. 549 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,680 Well, VH1, no, plays Metallica. 550 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,880 So, I ended up talking to Rick for a long time, 551 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,960 but we were talking about the fact that I've got a lot 552 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,760 of really cool shit on tape and that, you know, over time, 553 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,400 it's degrading and rotting. 554 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,400 Yeah, it is. 555 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:16,280 And that someday, all this shit needs to be burned to DVD. 556 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,080 I mean, there's a, there's a vault of it. 557 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,360 A truckload, a veritable truckload. 558 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:22,960 Can, can, listen to me. 559 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,520 I will have it all pay for it to be professionally transferred 560 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:27,920 every single last tape. 561 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,400 How much the idea have like, that's really worth saving? 562 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:38,560 Well, I'd have just, I've got about 15 boxes of great quarter-inch 563 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:39,240 reals. 564 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,720 I'm going to, you know, you need to, you mad, you mad, 565 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,200 you mad, you mad, you mad, you mad machine to spot them. 566 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,240 Well, yeah, but a lot of them are labeled in stuff. 567 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,520 I mean, the looper, the looper, yeah, much that. 568 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,920 Let's just get the blooper real. 569 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,080 Let's just transfer that. 570 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:54,920 Let's put it out. 571 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,640 There's a few blooper reals, but yeah, I could probably, you know, 572 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,000 siphon off the looper. 573 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,760 I'll find a place in Portland that'll do it. 574 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,000 And you just bring the tapes there. 575 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,200 And then they'll do it professionally. 576 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,320 And then we'll put them up online. 577 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,200 I'll take the risk. 578 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,200 Don't worry about it. 579 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,440 Well, have your people, call my people this week. 580 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,160 Oh, I should have started that. 581 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,640 Shell. 582 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:14,680 That'll be so cool. 583 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,560 There's some awesome stuff there. 584 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,800 I mean, the best stuff, really. 585 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,200 So actually, the week of the, the week of the MTV thing, 586 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,360 MTV did everything they possibly could 587 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:27,640 to thwart any press. 588 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,720 Yeah, they didn't want to see mold, right? 589 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:30,960 Well, yeah, that was the story. 590 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,080 Was it they wanted to see meong in fresh and relevant 591 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,840 and dwelling on the fact that they were a quarter of a century 592 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,480 old made them feel old. 593 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,920 And I, I think that's probably horseshit. 594 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:47,200 They received such, you know, unanimous bad response 595 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,320 to their celebration of their 20th, which 596 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,240 was the biggest piece of shit that's ever come down by. 597 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,280 That they were probably afraid to go anywhere near the 25th. 598 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,360 Freshness, but was puckering. 599 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:03,920 Well, they, they refused to release any, any old video 600 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,080 or footage of MTV, any press or media outlet. 601 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,120 I heard through the grapevine that even Kurt Loder was told 602 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:15,240 that he was absolutely forbidden from doing any press regarding 603 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,400 the typical, that's so typical. 604 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,400 That's so typical. 605 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,920 MTV, Martha and Nina and everybody were told that, you know, 606 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,280 they weren't allowed to use any photos or any footage of them 607 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,800 to any media outlet from the MTV era. 608 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:29,800 Really? 609 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,800 No, another infamous MTV memo, like if they were, 610 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,320 well, I don't have access to any of this. 611 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,160 This is here, say, a new hobby, knowing the network, 612 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,400 as well as it sounds like it. 613 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,840 I'm pretty certain that, you know, the powers that 614 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,560 be decided that they really didn't want to celebrate the 25th anniversary. 615 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:56,240 However, you know, the founding staff, including some really high 616 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,600 ups, it, freshness was actually there at one of the two parties. 617 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,600 So, I mean, you know, in New York, in New York, yeah. 618 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,600 I heard that when he left, the one I didn't go to. 619 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,800 When he left the building, everyone crowded the hallways and the plot 620 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,720 of it as he left. 621 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,720 A plot of that he was leaving or a plot of him, applauding him, I believe. 622 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,720 Oh, okay. 623 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,760 I didn't know what you were, you meant. 624 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,720 I would have been like, goodbye! 625 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,040 No, no, no, no, no, no, he would have looked at me and said, 626 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,040 who the hell are you? 627 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:34,040 Thanks, thanks Bob, thanks Adam, whoever you are, thanks. 628 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,480 Great work and we're the, I really love your work. 629 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,960 No, I'm sure he did. 630 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,960 So, no, it's kind of odd. 631 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,360 No celebs showed up. 632 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:49,160 Big celebrities, no, because it wasn't that kind of party. 633 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,240 You know, MTV, like VJ-wise in New York, we had Alan Hunter and Mark Goodman. 634 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,600 We're both in New York. 635 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,600 What are they doing now? 636 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:03,760 So, I know that they're, all the original VJs are on serious, yes, that I'm aware of. 637 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,080 Are you a revival channel? 638 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:14,440 Mark was doing terrestrial radio in Los Angeles, and of course, he pointed that out. 639 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,680 I'm also doing a terrestrial radio. 640 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,000 No, actually, he didn't. 641 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,400 Mark Mark was very cool. 642 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:28,240 I have no idea what he's doing now because he recently relocated to back to the New York area. 643 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,560 Oh, really? 644 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:35,680 Yes, he's living in, he's living in the suburbs of New Jersey in a place that you know, 645 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,720 not real well, it's, it's not, we're living lived. 646 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,200 It's not Montclair or Verona, we're lived. 647 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,200 Where is it? 648 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,440 It's a place where a lot of your money went. 649 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,840 A lot of my money at Lannick City? 650 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,840 No, no, yeah, like you have a pressure used to know gambling. 651 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,680 Come on, honey, it's only three hour drive. 652 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,680 Come on, let's go. 653 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,680 Whenever, yeah, whenever all man, whenever all man, all power would fly over you guys 654 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,960 would hit at Lannick City. 655 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,120 A lot of my money went. 656 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:03,560 Where the hell did my money go? 657 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:04,760 That's a good question, Ken. 658 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:05,760 Where did it go? 659 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,760 Short, short hills. 660 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,760 Oh, short, short hill. 661 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,640 Of course, short hills, mall. 662 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,200 I wasn't the short hills, mall. 663 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,040 It was the mall at short hill. 664 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,240 The mall, I'm sorry, yes, the mall at short hills. 665 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,200 Yeah, a lot of money did go that way, didn't it? 666 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,000 Yeah, I said, where are you living now, Mark? 667 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,760 And he said, out in short hills, I was like, in short hills, 668 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,760 only shit. 669 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,680 Yeah, that's expensive there. 670 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,840 Well, I would presume most places in short hills, pretty upscale. 671 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,200 I would think he's worth it. 672 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,560 No, I don't know, I don't use it anywhere in New Jersey 673 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,120 is probably expensive. 674 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:39,840 Yeah, that's true. 675 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,520 OK, so here we go. 676 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,120 And Alan, Alan Hunter, still does house, right? 677 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:50,240 Is still in Alabama, had his lovely girlfriend with him 678 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,280 and his daughter who is his daughter and goodman's daughter, 679 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,720 both our teenagers now, and we're like knockouts. 680 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,320 It's kind of alarming that everybody's daughters 681 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,520 and the talk to be these gorgeous young women, 682 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,040 everybody in the restaurant was, you know, 683 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,840 ogling at them, nobody had any idea. 684 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,520 They were underage. 685 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,200 They look at me in the 20s. 686 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,080 I'm sure you know how that goes. 687 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,560 Oh, Christina showed me her fake ID yesterday. 688 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,280 Oh, great. 689 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,320 She's like, you're like, yeah, look at this. 690 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,880 Oh, you said you're 19 here. 691 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,000 Yeah, it works. 692 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,560 She says in her nice little British accent, it works. 693 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,120 That's funny. 694 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:28,120 She's nuts. 695 00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:29,840 So the week I was in New York, though, 696 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,480 it was like 100 degrees, and there was like 98% humidity 697 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,560 and like 31 people died from the heat. 698 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,360 OK, so do you remember how bad 699 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,520 New York used to get when I remember spending 700 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,160 one summer in New York and vowing to myself never, ever again. 701 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,800 Yeah, and then you bought the house out in New York. 702 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,320 That's right. 703 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:47,840 That's right. 704 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,240 With the pool. 705 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,000 This is no way to live. 706 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:51,360 Yeah. 707 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,360 Allen, anyway, no. 708 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,280 Allen Hunter is still down in Birmingham, Alabama. 709 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,200 He's still doing his video production stuff. 710 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,680 Has a film production company actually has his 711 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,360 film artist, you know, a lot of independent films 712 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,200 is involved with Sundance this year. 713 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,600 And also owns a big facility that's recording studios 714 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,080 and a club and whatnot, really, Birmingham. 715 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:15,760 So yeah. 716 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:16,960 Right on. 717 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:17,760 I didn't know about it. 718 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,600 Yeah, and he's holding the studio on the ground. 719 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,240 Yeah, that's cool. 720 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:20,920 Sounds like it. 721 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,600 That's great. 722 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,640 No downtown Julie Brown, I presume. 723 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,560 No downtown Julie Brown. 724 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,200 That was it in terms of VJs. 725 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,880 And then there were just a lot of cool people like Brian 726 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,720 and Helene Gross, who I have been seen in towns. 727 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,120 And I, you know, like I said, I had a great conversation 728 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:43,120 with Rick Kram and, and, you know, I'm trying to think 729 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,520 if there's anybody else who'd have been particularly interested 730 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,680 in. 731 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,720 No, not really. 732 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:48,720 Not at the party. 733 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,080 I had a wild weekend Manhattan. 734 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,360 Now did everybody sit around and mope about how 735 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,560 in TV doesn't play videos anymore? 736 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,160 Oh, no, no, no, no. 737 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,440 This was a group of people who really, really enjoyed working 738 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,120 together, getting together, many of whom 739 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,880 hadn't seen each other in 10, 15 years. 740 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,520 Nobody was, what MTV was doing now was pretty much 741 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,280 irrelevant conversation. 742 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,880 It was, it was how are you? 743 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,880 What are you doing now? 744 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,200 You know, it was a lot of, do you remember this and that? 745 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,840 I mean, seeing each other and, you know, triggered all sorts 746 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,120 of funny memories of shit that happened back then. 747 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,360 OK, so I'll forgotten. 748 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,640 Give me a story that they recalled that was good, can? 749 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,920 Well, I had found a couple of memos that I had 750 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,680 or letters that I had, that MTV memos brought a few laughs. 751 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,400 Yeah, things that were in the vault. 752 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,880 I found a great, before you remember Communicar, right? 753 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,400 Our boy of it, car service. 754 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,520 Let me just, yeah, let me just explain Communicar in New York. 755 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,360 It was really one of the first mass scale radio cars. 756 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,760 So it's like, it's like a cab that you can call no difference. 757 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,920 Except the cars wall, this ugly burgundy, kind of, 758 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,680 they were burgundy, burgundy town cars and you had vouchers. 759 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,480 And so, you know, the car would cost, you know, whatever car costs. 760 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,720 I mean, if you left it for now, it cost 25 bucks or something like that. 761 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,400 We didn't ever find out really directly what it costs. 762 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,800 It was all went to corporate. 763 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,280 The corporate would give me vouchers vouchers vouchers. 764 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,200 Yeah, that was like gold boy. 765 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,200 Can sky would give each VJ, you know, two vouchers per recording session 766 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,080 want to get two one to get from. 767 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,360 That was the big limit. 768 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,360 That was early. 769 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,240 That was the big limit that we were all riding in was fucking Communicar. 770 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,680 And the limits were only for when people would see you like, you know, bullshit can. 771 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,520 They never never gave us limos. 772 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,520 I always got my own limos. 773 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,520 Yeah, no. 774 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,640 Who got the limo the night you were in that limo with downtown Julie Brown and it backed over 775 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,640 the old lady. 776 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:47,640 That was my limo. 777 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:48,640 That was my limo. 778 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,640 That was my limo. 779 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,120 I paid for that limo when we back over her. 780 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,440 It was downtown Julie Brown doing in there. 781 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,440 I don't remember. 782 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,920 I really don't remember. 783 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:56,920 I do. 784 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:57,920 I don't remember her being in the limo. 785 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,360 I don't remember backing up over the old one of the old ladies. 786 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,360 That was pretty funny. 787 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,360 Yeah, oops. 788 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,360 Sorry, lady. 789 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:12,000 I think that was for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame awards or something like that. 790 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,000 I think that's what we're going to do. 791 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,520 I just have another funny story, too, that came up. 792 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,800 Before that, the Communicar story, before there was Communicar, they had a different 793 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:20,800 car service. 794 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:26,480 And this was before my day at the channel, frankly, I think I started right around the 795 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,360 time they went with Communicar. 796 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:34,760 And they're probably still with Communicar, frankly, I don't know, but Mark Goodman 797 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,840 was getting picked up at his house one morning to go to the studio for his taping. 798 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,400 And they got like partway there and he realized, like, having forbid, he didn't have 799 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,080 a voucher. 800 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:51,520 And so you got voucher, well, you got voucher, you got voucher, you got voucher, exactly. 801 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:57,080 This solution Mark proposed was drive me to the studio, I'll go in and get one, you 802 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,080 know? 803 00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,080 I mean, I'm comfortable. 804 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,080 Yeah. 805 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:08,480 He's like, no, the guy's insisting, he's going to take him home immediately. 806 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,840 Didn't they call JJ Jackson the franchise, he's not what they call them at Communicar? 807 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,840 Yeah, probably. 808 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,840 Just JJ. 809 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,480 And Dr. Dre had a lover also. 810 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,480 Those guys left the car out all the time, it's like just for 10 hours. 811 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,480 And he's in front of the club. 812 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,480 10, 12 hours. 813 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,480 It's like he was sitting there. 814 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,480 All right. 815 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,440 So, Judy McGrath and everybody would have a stroke, sitting up and out for like a $400 816 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,440 Communicar bill. 817 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:38,480 So, this argument ensues in the town car and it finally got to the point that escalated 818 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:44,080 the car driver, brandishing a screwdriver and trying to like poke Mark Goodman over the 819 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,080 seat. 820 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,080 Excellent. 821 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:51,200 And like Mark finally dove out of the moving car and like was almost killed in 822 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,200 traffic. 823 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,760 All right. 824 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:59,240 And he had written this really, really funny memo to like the president or the vice president 825 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:06,280 of MTV and also copying the head of the car service about that whole, and you have 826 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,280 that memo sitting. 827 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,280 I do. 828 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,280 And it was a very, very funny memo. 829 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,280 Oh, you're going to read it. 830 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,280 You're going to have to share it. 831 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,280 Oh, it's very, very lengthy. 832 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,280 Oh, okay. 833 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,280 I don't want to read that. 834 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,680 It's, it's three pages of, of recanting this story. 835 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,160 I mean, I guess the important part is that he, 836 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,960 tried to stab him with a screwdriver and I believe it was the next week that they switched 837 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:26,960 to community. 838 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,360 That was the end of that. 839 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,880 But it did remind me and this, I wasn't so much an MTV story as an Adam Curry story. 840 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,600 Oh, boy. 841 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:40,880 There was a time after I had left the channel and was working for me, right? 842 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:41,880 Yes. 843 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:47,680 That you were in Los Angeles doing something. 844 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:54,920 It was something, perhaps it was this, I think it was the circus of the circus. 845 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:55,920 Oh, dude. 846 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,720 Circus of the stars were the rocket car of death with, what was her name? 847 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:01,720 What was the host of the show? 848 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:02,720 Oh, fuck. 849 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:04,920 Dear, dear, dear hall was not known. 850 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:05,920 Was that her name? 851 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:06,920 Dear, dear. 852 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,920 Dear, dear hall. 853 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:09,920 What's her name? 854 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:10,920 Come on. 855 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:11,920 That was dear, dear hall. 856 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,920 It was dear, dear hall, right? 857 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:14,920 I don't. 858 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,280 I remember Cameron Diaz. 859 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,560 Cameron Diaz was on that show with me and she was doing a trap. 860 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,040 He's number. 861 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,640 And she was 13. 862 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,640 She was a little fat Puggie kid through 13. 863 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,640 And anyway, I should have gotten her then, and nailed her. 864 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:37,280 You had to, you had to nip up to San Francisco for some sort of radio station promo. 865 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,520 Really? 866 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,740 And you were supposed to take just like a shuttle flight up to San Francisco and do this 867 00:35:42,740 --> 00:35:44,600 radio station gig. 868 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,760 And then fly back down to LA for the next day's taping of circus of the circus of 869 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:50,760 the stars. 870 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,120 No, it could not be circus of the stars in LA because I was really sick then. 871 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,120 I remember. 872 00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:01,240 Well, it's when you abandon your car, you abandon your car. 873 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:02,640 I remember this. 874 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,640 Wait a minute. 875 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,640 Wait a minute. 876 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,640 Let me back up. 877 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,040 Budget rent a car in Los Angeles. 878 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,720 I don't know if they still do it. 879 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:11,040 They had this great service. 880 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,720 And we were always allowed to rent a car through budget. 881 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:18,040 Now I always paid extra money for the car that I think didn't I can? 882 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,760 Did I always put on extra cash? 883 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:26,800 Yeah, like a Mercedes 500 SL or something nice convertible. 884 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:27,800 Oh, Lexus. 885 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:28,800 Yeah. 886 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:29,800 Nice cars. 887 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,800 Nice car. 888 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,520 And what was cool about the service is you'd arrive at LAX and the guy would be waiting 889 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,720 for you at baggage claim and you'd walk over to the car, which you'd already driven 890 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:40,720 there. 891 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:41,760 You know, he'd take your luggage. 892 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,440 It was like, you've got really good. 893 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,760 It's like, you know, okay, I'm on the lowest wrong of the show business ladder here. 894 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,200 But I got a guy picking me up. 895 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,200 I got some hot wheels. 896 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,560 You know, I got a nice, nice ride here waiting for me. 897 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,720 And sometimes when you take the guy back and drop them off, because I always stayed at 898 00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:00,120 the water stay, same James Club hotel. 899 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:00,960 The same James. 900 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,280 Yeah, fuck, I forgot about that. 901 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,280 Yeah. 902 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:09,760 And so, yeah, so I don't think it was a trip to San Francisco, but I do remember at one 903 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:10,760 point. 904 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,520 I think it was a, maybe it was a BMW I'm thinking, because I always tried to rent 905 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,760 a different car each time. 906 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,000 So I wanted to drive cool cars. 907 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,960 I think it was a BMW that had everything integrated. 908 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:33,000 Whatever it was, I basically drove up to departures at LAX and I was late for the flight. 909 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,520 I just, this is not how you were supposed to do this. 910 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,520 I should point out. 911 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,000 No, you're supposed to, how did it? 912 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,800 It was a valet return lot, like a block or two from the airport. 913 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:42,800 Right. 914 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,440 You're supposed to go to the valet return. 915 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,440 Yeah. 916 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,440 And then take the fucking bus. 917 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,440 I had no time for that, can. 918 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,040 So I drive the beamer up. 919 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,040 I get my stuff. 920 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,040 I jump out. 921 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:59,040 I lock the car and I get on my flight and I call a can from the plane and say, what 922 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,120 I say, hey, Ken, I don't think you locked the car. 923 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,120 I think you left the keys in. 924 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,120 Well, if the key in the car, that's right with the doors open. 925 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,520 Hey, Ken. 926 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,960 I wasn't even sure if it was in the curb lane to be honest, you were in a triopic jam. 927 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,960 I just got out and took away. 928 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:19,040 I think you just got out and then called me from the airport and as you were running 929 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:24,040 to the gate and said that you had just bailed the car. 930 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,320 And so then I had to get on the phone with budget or whoever the hell it was. 931 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,320 There was budget. 932 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,720 Before a budget, it was luxury line. 933 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:30,720 You remember the luxury line? 934 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:31,720 Luxury line. 935 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:32,720 Luxury line. 936 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:33,720 Beverly Hills. 937 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:34,720 Yeah. 938 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:37,480 So they, they were not, I had the call them and tell them. 939 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,680 I'll never forget the guy in the phone cracked me up because I had to tell them what 940 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:41,680 you'd done. 941 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:47,280 And I told them what you'd done and the guy says to me, bit serer, he can't do that. 942 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:53,480 You seem to misunderstand the point of my call. 943 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,480 It's been done. 944 00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:01,480 And then when you came back, they didn't want you to have a car. 945 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,480 No, they didn't want to. 946 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,480 The car. 947 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,480 I wonder why. 948 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,480 Gee. 949 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,480 That's kind of amazing. 950 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,480 I don't know why we got talking about that. 951 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,480 We did a lot of cool shit and Los Angeles back in the day man. 952 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,480 We went there all the time to do fun stuff. 953 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:16,480 Yeah. 954 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,480 We really did. 955 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,480 Everybody was always jetting off. 956 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,480 And I'm telling you, every time we went to LA, it was just a barcherous. 957 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,480 Everyone was always messed up. 958 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,480 Everybody behaved pretty well in New York. 959 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,480 I mean, we've said before while doing the MTV Chronicles, 960 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,480 that that place ran like a well-oiled machine. 961 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,480 And we had a lot of fun. 962 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,480 And we got along well. 963 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,480 But it wasn't the sort of sex drugs and rock and roll sort of hijinks that people might imagine. 964 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,480 No. 965 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,480 The minute you gave us those commune car vouchers, we were off. 966 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,480 You know. 967 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,480 Yeah. 968 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,480 We're loose now. 969 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,480 But for some reason, LA was always free rain to. 970 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,480 Free rain to partay. 971 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,480 Yeah. 972 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,480 It was cool. 973 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,480 Yeah. 974 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,480 Everybody. 975 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,480 I used to do all the skiing stuff. 976 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,480 I went to all those ski resorts and we used to. 977 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,480 But that wasn't Colorado. 978 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,480 We'd like send you off to Aspen. 979 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,480 Aspen Vale, Brecken Ridge, Whistler. 980 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,480 The special brewer. 981 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,480 Yeah. 982 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,480 The special camera men that can ski backwards while holding that camera. 983 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:13,480 No. 984 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,480 We had a guy one time. 985 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,480 I think it was in Brecken Ridge. 986 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,480 And turnout he couldn't actually really ski. 987 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,480 It was really, really sad. 988 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,480 It was so sad. 989 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,480 He was strong. 990 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,480 He was strong. 991 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,480 Like a million times. 992 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,480 His camera was completely messed up. 993 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,480 Well, couldn't he just stand in a stationary location? 994 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,480 Have you come flying past? 995 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,480 Yeah. 996 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,480 We did a lot of that. 997 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,480 He was actually at the top of the mountain. 998 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,480 Afraid to go down. 999 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,480 Yeah. 1000 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,480 Made a little bit harder. 1001 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,480 He's like, I don't think I can go down. 1002 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,480 Any other stuff in the packet that you want to share with us? 1003 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,480 No off the top of my head. 1004 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,480 I can't think of anything in the packet. 1005 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,480 The party I should have gone to. 1006 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,480 You know, there were two parties in New York. 1007 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,480 One the night of the first. 1008 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,480 Because that was the actual anniversary of MTV. 1009 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,480 But that was Tuesday night. 1010 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,480 And I was actually flying in. 1011 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,480 I was I was landing at Newark at about the time. 1012 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,480 The party was going on. 1013 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,480 And I opted not to go straight to the party with my luggage. 1014 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,480 So miss that one. 1015 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,480 But at that party, we had my graph and fresh and. 1016 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,480 And you got to tell me about these things. 1017 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,480 Can the entire upper. 1018 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,480 At. 1019 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,480 At whatever. 1020 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,480 It's a show. 1021 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,480 Thank you. 1022 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,480 Sorry. 1023 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,480 The upper echelon. 1024 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,480 It's still morning here in Portland, you know. 1025 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,480 Yeah. 1026 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,480 And I'm not sure I can say that we're in any way. 1027 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,480 But they were all there. 1028 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,480 And I missed that one. 1029 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,480 Yeah. 1030 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,480 Sounds like that was fun. 1031 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,480 Well, would you please. 1032 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,480 When it's 50th, would you please send me an email? 1033 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,480 So we can. 1034 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,480 Well, I don't know how many people will be left. 1035 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,480 I mean, the one thing that I do notice is in. 1036 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,480 Carloader John John Norris probably won't be. 1037 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,480 Most people look pretty good. 1038 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,480 But, you know, especially the early early folks, you know, I started there. 1039 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,480 When I was 21 or 22 years old, and they were already in their 30th or 40th. 1040 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,480 That's right. 1041 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,480 And so now they're really old. 1042 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,480 Because that was like 20 years ago. 1043 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:07,480 And then. 1044 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,480 I don't know. 1045 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,480 It's actually not really funny. 1046 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,480 Well, we're getting old. 1047 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,480 Everybody's doing well, though. 1048 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,480 I hear Beth McCarthy might be leaving Saturday night live. 1049 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,480 I don't know if that's true. 1050 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,480 Really? 1051 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,480 Well, how is. 1052 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,480 How's Saturday night live doing? 1053 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,480 I catch it once in a while when I'm in. 1054 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,480 You know, I haven't. 1055 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,480 I haven't watched network television at all in years. 1056 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,480 Although I did check out the the the debut of Katie Curric this week. 1057 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,480 Oh, yeah. 1058 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,480 How was she? 1059 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,480 She was all right. 1060 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,480 Yeah. 1061 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,480 She was all right. 1062 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,480 That's another something a redstone move right there. 1063 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,480 He personally made sure that they got her with the moon vest. 1064 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,480 Who is the golden child now? 1065 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,480 It didn't so much strike me as news. 1066 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,480 It's just like a half hour of of feature packages in some promotion. 1067 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,480 Exactly. 1068 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,480 Exactly. 1069 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,480 That's what people want. 1070 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,480 No, you don't know. 1071 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,480 Yeah. 1072 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,480 That's what it's because I like the news. 1073 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,480 So while I was in New York. 1074 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:06,480 The big news. 1075 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,480 I was, you know, as a. 1076 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,480 It was so hot out during the day. 1077 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,480 It didn't even go out until after dark. 1078 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,480 You would just sit there in near hotel room and. 1079 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,480 Wack on wait for the sun to go down. 1080 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,480 In the air conditioning. 1081 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,480 So you spent a lot of time watching the television. 1082 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,480 It was one afternoon. 1083 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:22,480 It was all over the news. 1084 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,480 Our old friend boy George. 1085 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,480 Oh, he had to clean the streets, right? 1086 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,480 That was while I was in New York. 1087 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,480 It was like to go down. 1088 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,480 No. 1089 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,480 I actually thought about going down in my camera. 1090 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,480 And I had a lovely dinner with our old friend. 1091 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,480 Jill Stemple who's actually very well. 1092 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,480 Jill. 1093 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,480 The diva. 1094 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:41,480 Jill. 1095 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,480 The diva Stemple is the bureau chief of the. 1096 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,480 She opened in his heading the New York bureau of the world entertainment news. 1097 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,480 Network. 1098 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,480 Went. 1099 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,480 Went. 1100 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,480 The guys. 1101 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,480 The guys we used to buy our news from Lloyd Bany and. 1102 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,480 Oh, he's still around. 1103 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,480 That's Jill's boss, man. 1104 00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:59,480 That's pretty funny. 1105 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,480 And she's the bureau chief of the New York bureau. 1106 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,480 They're doing well. 1107 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,480 So she's laughingly. 1108 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,480 It said where you, you edit it. 1109 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,480 Why didn't she go down there with their camera and take some. 1110 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,480 Really? 1111 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:09,480 Celebrity. 1112 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,480 I was like, because it was a hundred. 1113 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,480 Fucking degrees out. 1114 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,480 Then I didn't want to have a hate stroke. 1115 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,480 Did I do like an in store appearance at a hardware store with boy George once? 1116 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,480 You did something funny with boy George in a store once. 1117 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,480 You guys knew each other. 1118 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,480 He's a really nice guy. 1119 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,480 He's a sweetheart when he's not a hero. 1120 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,480 He just keeps having trouble. 1121 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:30,480 Yeah. 1122 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,480 I met him a couple of times. 1123 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,480 The first time he was on heroin. 1124 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:35,480 And then remember that. 1125 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,480 I remember that. 1126 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,480 Yeah. 1127 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,480 I wasn't there. 1128 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,480 But I remember you telling me about that. 1129 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,480 Right. 1130 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:41,480 And that was in Holland. 1131 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,480 And they said, whatever you do, don't talk to him. 1132 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,480 I said, okay. 1133 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,480 And then I started went to announce him and I said, hey, don't talk to him. 1134 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,480 Why do you mean? 1135 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,480 Because he was on heroin. 1136 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,480 He was like completely fucked up. 1137 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,480 And he was just going to lip sync to the song on stage with all 1138 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:56,480 bunch of kids in front of it. 1139 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:57,480 And that was going to be it. 1140 00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,480 And so I go up to announce him. 1141 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,480 And instead of doing, and here's boy George. 1142 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,480 I said, hey, man, they say you're on heroin. 1143 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,480 Oh, no. 1144 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:05,480 Did you believe? 1145 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:06,480 Yeah. 1146 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,480 He was really. 1147 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,480 He didn't know what was happened. 1148 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,480 But the woman from virgin was beside herself. 1149 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,480 But then, he didn't hear that did that. 1150 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:15,480 Oh, yeah. 1151 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,480 Oh, I heard it. 1152 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,480 Yeah. 1153 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,480 Yeah. 1154 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,480 That's like one of those things. 1155 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,480 But then the later we met at the, it was like a, a mis, a hard 1156 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,480 Where's the mis Channel or something? 1157 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:27,480 I don't know. 1158 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:28,480 It was mis Home Depot. 1159 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,480 Somewhere in New Jersey. 1160 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:31,480 It was for Z100. 1161 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,480 And he was in the, he was in Georgia. 1162 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,480 I didn't remember that. 1163 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:35,480 Yeah. 1164 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:36,480 He was a photo of you guys. 1165 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,480 Yeah. 1166 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:38,480 The judging thing. 1167 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:39,480 That's exactly what we were doing. 1168 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,480 It was during his really puggie days. 1169 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,480 Uh-huh. 1170 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,480 He had a lot of makeup on, and it started to slide off. 1171 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,480 I think you're right. 1172 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,480 Now, that was big news over here, actually. 1173 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:50,480 The garbage cleaning. 1174 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,480 Yeah, I always go to New York for the big news events. 1175 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,480 And you know, there were a couple other people. 1176 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,480 I got really, really stink and drunk one night with Leslie Pinkney. 1177 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:00,480 Well, I goodness. 1178 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,480 These are all people who used to work with us at thinking of ideas. 1179 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:10,480 And well, and it's, it's quasi relevant because Leslie is now vice president of music 1180 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:16,480 development for tempo, which is the Latin and Caribbean music channel owned by MTV Network. 1181 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,480 Okay. 1182 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:18,480 Interesting. 1183 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,480 So these people all kind of landed on their feet? 1184 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:22,480 Yeah. 1185 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,480 That's nice. 1186 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,480 Leslie's doing well. 1187 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:29,480 She looked great, and she can buy a mean shot or ten of patron silver. 1188 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:37,480 And the other person that I got really stink and drunk with. 1189 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,480 It was a theme. 1190 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:39,480 Separate occasion. 1191 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:40,480 Oh, yeah. 1192 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:41,480 Oh, yeah. 1193 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,480 Every night I was in New York was our old friend and former makeup artist to the stars. 1194 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:47,480 Keon Stava. 1195 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,480 Keon. 1196 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:49,480 Oh, man. 1197 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:50,480 How was she doing? 1198 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,480 Keon's done really well. 1199 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:52,480 She's doing makeup. 1200 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,480 Whatever happened to Jimmy. 1201 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,480 Jimmy had a falling out with MTV Networks. 1202 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,480 And then he went to the west coast. 1203 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,480 And he was, I don't know what he got swallowed up. 1204 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:04,480 He got swallowed up. 1205 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,480 She knows. 1206 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:06,480 What he's doing. 1207 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:07,480 But I forgot. 1208 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:08,480 We were really drunk. 1209 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:09,480 I'm sure she told me. 1210 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,480 That's funny. 1211 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:12,480 Oh, wow. 1212 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,480 So yeah. 1213 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,480 She sends her love to you as well. 1214 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,480 Keon was always very cool. 1215 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,480 And I'm hot on the chair. 1216 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,480 I had a brief chat with JB and our friend JB Miller. 1217 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,480 JB Miller. 1218 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,480 You used to work at MTV with us with Steve Leads. 1219 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,480 He's can't remember where Steve wins. 1220 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:30,480 Oh, no. 1221 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,480 I talked to Leads all the time. 1222 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:32,480 Where is Steve now? 1223 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,480 He's not serious. 1224 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,480 Yeah. 1225 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:35,480 He's a satellite. 1226 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:41,480 He does talent, create coordination. 1227 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,480 So you know, all the Steve Leads. 1228 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:45,480 Yes, Steve Leads. 1229 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,480 Everyone who comes on to any show. 1230 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,480 It's not to be confused with this brother Harvey Lee. 1231 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,480 No, no, no. 1232 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,480 I saw Harvey a while back, too. 1233 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,480 But yeah, no, Steve is a, hey, baby. 1234 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:55,480 I'm on with Ken. 1235 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,480 You want to say hi to Keon. 1236 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:57,480 Hey, baby. 1237 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:58,480 Hold on. 1238 00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,480 Patricia. 1239 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,480 I put your earphones on, huh? 1240 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,480 Where are my earphones? 1241 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,480 There are the hang in there. 1242 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,480 The white ones. 1243 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,480 This may not be this may have to be a multiple installment show, 1244 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,480 because trouble is about to start. 1245 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,480 Oh, okay. 1246 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,480 You got it on. 1247 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,480 You can hear me. 1248 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,480 Yeah. 1249 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,480 Say how to Ken. 1250 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:20,480 Oh, my God. 1251 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:21,480 It's like you're in the room here. 1252 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,480 I said, I wish you were. 1253 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:24,480 I want to. 1254 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,480 I said it. 1255 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,480 It felt like Adam was almost inside me when we used to, 1256 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,480 and I put it in the phone. 1257 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:30,480 Excuse me. 1258 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,480 It's been a while since we've talked. 1259 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:33,480 Yeah. 1260 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,480 And we've each other. 1261 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,480 So he was in stereo. 1262 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:36,480 She's me. 1263 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:37,480 Oh. 1264 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,480 I want to give you a hug. 1265 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:43,480 How are you, Patricia? 1266 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:44,480 I'm fine. 1267 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:45,480 I'm fine. 1268 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,480 I'm doing good. 1269 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,480 Very good. 1270 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:48,480 Very happy. 1271 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:49,480 Tell me about the house. 1272 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,480 Tell me about the house and then we'll hang up. 1273 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,480 You want to tell me about the house? 1274 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:53,480 No. 1275 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,480 No. 1276 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,480 Did you lower the, 1277 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,480 wait, new house? 1278 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:58,480 Yeah. 1279 00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,480 Yeah, we finally found something. 1280 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:00,480 I think we found something. 1281 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:01,480 I'll send you a link. 1282 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,480 You know, can't see real estate. 1283 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:03,480 I know. 1284 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:04,480 He knows all about this. 1285 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:05,480 Oh, yeah. 1286 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:06,480 Dude, you would clean up here. 1287 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:07,480 It's fucking mess. 1288 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:08,480 Eating well. 1289 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,480 Fucking mess. 1290 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,480 When are you coming over, dude? 1291 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,480 I think, well, I'm looking at my schedule now. 1292 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,480 And um, have all like a week from Friday. 1293 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:21,480 No, okay. 1294 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,480 I don't know. 1295 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,480 No, but you have. 1296 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,480 When am I going to just nip over to, 1297 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,480 to Portland, I would be easier for everyone 1298 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,480 to get together and stand for in Cisco. 1299 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,480 Wouldn't it, for you, yeah? 1300 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:34,480 Yeah. 1301 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,480 He's really saying that. 1302 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,480 He's really saying that. 1303 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,480 He's like, we're going to be in the meantime. 1304 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:40,480 The bottoms. 1305 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:41,480 They're all the time. 1306 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:42,480 And don't you go visit? 1307 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:43,480 No. 1308 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,480 Not a lot of them. 1309 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:45,480 No, not a lot. 1310 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,480 But she's been twice, dude. 1311 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,480 Well, that's what I'm saying in it. 1312 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,480 At that point, you're an hour and ten minutes away from me. 1313 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,480 So, you know, I should just nip down. 1314 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:54,480 Yeah. 1315 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,480 But that's saying. 1316 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,480 But that's your country. 1317 00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,480 You have to see another. 1318 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:00,480 I would rather go to. 1319 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:01,480 I would rather go to London. 1320 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,480 Yeah. 1321 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:03,480 Well, there you go. 1322 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:04,480 I have to go. 1323 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,480 I have been in London and see everything this so much. 1324 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,480 You would love it. 1325 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,480 We'll go visit boy George together. 1326 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:11,480 It is. 1327 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:12,480 Well, it is my mother country. 1328 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,480 You know, I mean, my last. 1329 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:14,480 I know. 1330 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,480 Didn't I say that to you when I met you the first time? 1331 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,480 Are you English? 1332 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,480 Yes. 1333 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:20,480 Actually, I am. 1334 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:21,480 Yes. 1335 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:22,480 Can you tell by his accent? 1336 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:23,480 I know. 1337 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:24,480 Yes. 1338 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:26,480 Oh, we don't want to pass. 1339 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,480 There was a pass. 1340 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:28,480 A pass. 1341 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:29,480 A pass. 1342 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:30,480 A pass in the mix. 1343 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:31,480 A pass. 1344 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:32,480 Yes. 1345 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,480 And so Patricia came up here to get me down for dinner. 1346 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,480 Yes. 1347 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,480 It's been like 50 minutes. 1348 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:38,480 So we should stop anyway. 1349 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,480 All right. 1350 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:40,480 I guess that's enough for now. 1351 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,480 And it's going to send you everybody. 1352 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,480 Can wait for next year. 1353 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,480 But the 20. 1354 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,480 So it's to do our next in storm. 1355 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:47,480 Yeah. 1356 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,480 Now, listen, can't will you really come to San Francisco next time on there? 1357 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,480 It's entirely possible. 1358 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,480 It's a lot easier for me to nip down to San Francisco that it is a schedule time to go to English. 1359 00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,480 You should come and you'd like it. 1360 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:00,480 You'd like it. 1361 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:01,480 It's a good vibe. 1362 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:02,480 Well, cool. 1363 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,480 We'll talk about that actually. 1364 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,480 Okay. 1365 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,480 Well, thanks for taking time out of your your morning can. 1366 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,480 Well, and thank you for having me. 1367 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,480 And so much fun. 1368 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:14,480 How do you want to say anything? 1369 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,480 Take a bite? 1370 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,480 I would just want to say goodbye. 1371 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,480 And I just want to see you can. 1372 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:20,480 I know. 1373 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,480 I love you. 1374 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,480 I want to see you too. 1375 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,480 But you know, I think of you. 1376 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,480 It's so frequently. 1377 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,480 You're with me almost as much on a daily basis as you were when I was working in 1378 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:31,480 Your home. 1379 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:32,480 Oh, really. 1380 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:37,480 Well, actually, it's the same that we do because sometimes we talk about you. 1381 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:38,480 I don't know. 1382 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,480 You know, sometimes it doesn't come up. 1383 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:41,480 Yeah. 1384 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:42,480 And I said, okay. 1385 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:43,480 I'm still there. 1386 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:44,480 I'm still there. 1387 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,480 You're still in there lurking in the corner. 1388 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,480 Yeah. 1389 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:48,480 You would not believe Christina though. 1390 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:49,480 You would not believe her. 1391 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,480 Well, the pictures every time I see a picture. 1392 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,480 I just my jaw falls. 1393 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,480 And I say, like, holy shit. 1394 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:55,480 Oh, no. 1395 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:56,480 Yeah. 1396 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:57,480 My little shark in. 1397 00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:58,480 Yeah. 1398 00:51:58,480 --> 00:51:59,480 I still have photos here. 1399 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,480 There's a photo in my office. 1400 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,480 From her, like, oh, I don't know. 1401 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,480 I remember being at her second birthday. 1402 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,480 But I think this photo is from like her fourth or fifth birthday. 1403 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,480 And it was that you had a pool party in your backyard. 1404 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:12,480 Um, so no. 1405 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,480 I look at pictures ever now. 1406 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,480 And I just, I feel like an old fuck. 1407 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:17,480 Yeah. 1408 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:18,480 And remember always naked. 1409 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,480 Always naked. 1410 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:20,480 She was always naked. 1411 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,480 The moment she came home, she would take off her clothes. 1412 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:25,480 She actually still does. 1413 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:26,480 Yeah. 1414 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:27,480 She does that. 1415 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,480 And I've left numerous times about her obsession over the pantyhose. 1416 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,480 Yeah. 1417 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,480 What was that? 1418 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:33,480 The pantyhose obsession. 1419 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:34,480 She wanted a pantyhose. 1420 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:35,480 Always. 1421 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,480 I just, she always nutrition. 1422 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,480 Telling her to stop with the pantyhose. 1423 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,480 I'll put them all in the fireplace. 1424 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:41,480 I got you. 1425 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:42,480 Really? 1426 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,480 Good one. 1427 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:44,480 She meant it. 1428 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,480 Mommy meant it. 1429 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:46,480 Yes. 1430 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,480 Right. 1431 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,480 Oh, yeah. 1432 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:50,480 You have to see her. 1433 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:51,480 You have to see her. 1434 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,480 I know. 1435 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:53,480 Beautiful. 1436 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,480 So you got any stories on before we go? 1437 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:56,480 Interview stories. 1438 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:57,480 Oh, I'm TV stories. 1439 00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,480 We're just doing MTV stories. 1440 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:00,480 No. 1441 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:01,480 No. 1442 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:07,480 Remember we were discussing the fact that I had been in New York for the, for the 25th anniversary 1443 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:08,480 of MTV. 1444 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:09,480 Oh, you did. 1445 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,480 When I was talking about the, 1446 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,480 remember you used to go with us to Los Angeles. 1447 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,480 And we, we did a lot of fun stuff in Los Angeles. 1448 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,480 The only thing I just, I saw him again. 1449 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,480 John, uh, 1450 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:21,480 Norris. 1451 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:22,480 No. 1452 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:23,480 Yeah. 1453 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:24,480 You're coming in the neck. 1454 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:25,480 John Norris. 1455 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,480 And I remember he was sort of a go for them. 1456 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:29,480 You know. 1457 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:30,480 Yeah. 1458 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:31,480 Oh, he was here. 1459 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,480 He was a writer in the news department. 1460 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,480 I'm sorry. 1461 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,480 I thought he was a go for it. 1462 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,480 I drew in your, 1463 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,480 I drew in your V.J. 1464 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,480 I could really clearly Patricia treated him as a go for it. 1465 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,480 Hey. 1466 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:42,480 Hey, boy. 1467 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,480 We'll get my call. 1468 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:44,480 It was my latte. 1469 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,480 And he was in the back care of the car. 1470 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:47,480 I remember that. 1471 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:48,480 And we were in Los Angeles. 1472 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,480 In Los Angeles. 1473 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:54,480 And we had to go to somewhere on the mountain where you had an interview with somebody. 1474 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:55,480 Can he log in? 1475 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:56,480 Was that problem? 1476 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,480 I don't know. 1477 00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:58,480 But he was in the back of the car. 1478 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,480 He was a very, 1479 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,480 uh, 1480 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:03,480 uptight, 1481 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,480 very nervous. 1482 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,480 Oh, yeah. 1483 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,480 And you know, 1484 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:08,480 his eyes were very big and he was so. 1485 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,480 I thought you were going to say emaciated. 1486 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:11,480 Now maybe. 1487 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,480 But he was, 1488 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:14,480 he wanted to be at him. 1489 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,480 I just knew it. 1490 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:16,480 Really? 1491 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,480 Yeah. 1492 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:18,480 He was constantly looking into. 1493 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:19,480 And you, 1494 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,480 you could tell that he thought I won't be there. 1495 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:23,480 Oh. 1496 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:24,480 Oh. 1497 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:25,480 I'm in the wrong spot. 1498 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:26,480 Yeah. 1499 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:27,480 He got there. 1500 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,480 He got there. 1501 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,480 He got there. 1502 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:30,480 I mean, 1503 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:31,480 He got there. 1504 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:32,480 He got there. 1505 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,480 He got there. 1506 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,480 He got there. 1507 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:36,480 He got there. 1508 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:37,480 Oh, yeah. 1509 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:38,480 He got there. 1510 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:39,480 You got there. 1511 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:40,480 Huh. 1512 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,480 Aren't you glad we don't still do that by the way? 1513 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:53,200 Yeah, but it was always it was really really fun then, but thank God we don't still do that 1514 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:58,400 No, but then it was the MTV that you know MTV should have been you know 1515 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,560 Oh, hey, hey, that's not fair. MTV evolved. They had to do what they had to do. That's fine 1516 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:07,840 I know but it was it was it was the time when it was fun. Do you still do you think they still have fun? 1517 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:13,680 Yeah, I think they have fun. They probably have fun. I mean because they weren't there then 1518 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:18,160 So they don't have the perspective on it and there's always new people coming in and then there's no 1519 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:25,680 An exciting and no trends in do you know. I mean to us we we got old and jaded and it wasn't funny 1520 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:31,440 No, that's right. I started the suck the only thing I remember there was people got fired all the time 1521 00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:37,600 Well, yeah, I mean revolving door bring it there. They were there and then we're gone. You mean VJs or you 1522 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:42,160 VJs everything well VJs and everyone else at the channel base 1523 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:49,840 I mean makeup is kind of a revolver, but I think that's the nature of the business and of television 1524 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:55,200 Yeah, I think so. I think so. I think so. Yeah, it was a bit of a springboard, but you know they brought people like Andrew 1525 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,280 Daddo from Australia 1526 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,760 Well, they was a nice guy. Yeah, he was all right, but 1527 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:07,040 There was that Richard Wilkins guy that you liked actually you got along with Richard. He was all right. 1528 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,280 He talked about that funny guy. He's still an actor an actor 1529 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:19,520 The funny guy. Yeah, the funny guy. He was so Kevin Steven Steven. No, I he's in Seattle and I think he went back to whatever his degree 1530 00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:26,480 had been was like an engineering. Yeah, he was too into it. He was way too intelligent for that. He was 1531 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:33,520 saying well, I think he got through it all just by doing a lot of mushrooms. Yeah, screw probably was. Yeah, 1532 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:40,320 yeah, he was fucked up all the time all the time. Yeah, that's my money that in his infamous addition 1533 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,520 where he shaved while he was in this audition tape. Yeah, doing the thing and then started doing 1534 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:52,080 this bizarre way was it was it a special impersonation or something. He put on that shirt and tie and yeah, 1535 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,720 I see it. He was in fact tripping 1536 00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,800 and he got hired those were the days man. We could get hired for you in some shrooms. That's it. 1537 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:09,680 All right, I can't I'm going to go have I'm going to go have dinner and all right. I'll talk to you real soon. Okay. All right. See you guys 1538 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,480 I'm going to shoot. We miss you, can. I miss you too. Okay. Love you. Bye. Bye. 1539 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,960 Another pod show podcast. Stick it in your ear.