1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,440 This podcast is brought to you by Pod Show and GoDaddy. 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,440 Want killer content with a bad ass domain name? 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:18,800 This show will give you a special code to get great discounts at GoDaddy.com. 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:24,480 This is Bernie from Bernie's World and you're listening to Delta Sierra Charlie 461. 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,040 Hello darlings, bubbles do you want to see my naked pictures darlings? 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,040 Exclusively here on that Delta Sierra Charlie 461. 7 00:00:51,250 --> 00:03:14,600 [ Music ] 8 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:19,600 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey 9 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,600 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey 10 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,600 For South Carolina, very Brit sounding there 11 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,600 The FireAbs Hey, Kate 12 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,600 So number 461 of the daily source code 13 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,600 It is just barely Thursday here 14 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,600 And you got it kingdom in the affluent suburb of Surrey 15 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:37,600 Everybody, how you doing? 16 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,600 I'm a little off schedule here 17 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,600 Been in London the past two days 18 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,600 I already hinted at it yesterday with a or was it 19 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,600 It was more than yesterday 20 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,600 It was like the day before kind of yesterday 21 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,600 What it doesn't matter if it's in if you live in Australia, it's Saturday 22 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,600 I hinted at it and indeed we announced our partnership with British telecom 23 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,600 Today, which was very exciting 24 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,600 Of course, those of you in listening to the daily source code 25 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,600 Have known about my conversations with the CEO 26 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,600 Talk about my visits there 27 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,600 And there was no real big secret 28 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,600 But this was really an opportunity for us to introduce 29 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:21,600 I think yet another way of British audience 30 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,600 To podcasting and to the whole concept of independently produced 31 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:32,600 Video audio, whether it be music or show or vlog or video podcast or movie 32 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:33,600 Whatever it is 33 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,600 And we have really big plans with British telecom 34 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,600 Of course, I'll put a link in the show notes 35 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,600 The official press release 36 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:41,600 It was great 37 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,600 And I don't know 38 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,600 I'm woefully unprepared here 39 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,600 Let me see if I might have my notes 40 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,600 Hold on one second, let me just check 41 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,600 I do have my notes 42 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,600 What was so cool about this 43 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,600 Is we set it up so that, of course, when British telecom 44 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,600 When they fart, the press shows up, right? 45 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,600 So this was really an opportunity to show the press 46 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:10,600 That what really is possible with serialized independently produced content 47 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,600 I say, I had a list of all the crap 48 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,600 I'm just organized 49 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,600 I thought I had a list of all the journalists that came 50 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,600 Well, you basically can't think of a publication that didn't show up 51 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,600 Let's put it that way already, lots of postings online 52 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,600 And so I was going for two days 53 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,600 I came home today 54 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,600 Really, really, really knackered as we say here 55 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,600 Just due to total lack of sleep 56 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,600 I'll tell you a little bit about the problems we had 57 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,600 And I had the other paper workers still downstairs 58 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,600 And then you know that bio of Ron, bio of myself 59 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,600 The press release and a bio of Gavin Patterson 60 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,600 Gavin is the 61 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,600 BT consumer managing director 62 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:57,600 He's really in charge of all the everything that goes to consumer's homes 63 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,600 Including the forthcoming BT vision 64 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,600 Which is their IPTV project 65 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,600 So it's a broadband falls under his jurisdiction 66 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:06,600 Shall we say? 67 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,600 And the first thing Patricia says, man 68 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,600 And she's getting ready for bed 69 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,600 So we'll have to talk about it on maybe Friday's show 70 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,600 First thing she says, well, he's kind of cute 71 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,600 I have to say Gavin's not a bad looking guy 72 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,600 I have a feeling that he's younger than I am actually 73 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,600 But it was awesome 74 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,600 He had three monstrous plasma screens 75 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,600 And I used visual communicator 76 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,600 That's the software I used for my video show 77 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:33,600 There's a live mode 78 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,600 And it really, really worked well 79 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,600 Good questions from the press 80 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:40,600 I have to say that we were still 81 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,600 Actually the event was being held at the 82 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,600 Sanderson Hotel, which is one of those 83 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:46,600 What is it? 84 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:47,600 You know, way too hip 85 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:48,600 Is it an inshregor 86 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,600 I think who did that hotel 87 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,600 You know, basically they get old 88 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:53,600 Ugly furniture 89 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,600 And then throw a sheet over it 90 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:56,600 And then it's cool 91 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,600 Well, this hotel 92 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,600 I might add not provision by BT broadband 93 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,600 Actually by easy net 94 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,600 Because believe me, I was all over the network 95 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,600 Tracing and looking for stuff 96 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,600 It was driving us up the freaking wall 97 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,600 All last night 98 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,600 And I was on this till about 2am 99 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,600 Really nice admin who of course 100 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,600 Has a lot more on his plate than dealing with the Wi-Fi 101 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:22,600 Throughout the hotel 102 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,600 And he got a hub and a hard-wired connection 103 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,600 Well, the problem stem from a couple of things 104 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,600 The main one is it appears that there are some hotel personnel 105 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,600 Who had little bit torrent servers running 106 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:35,600 So he would cut him off 107 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:36,600 They'd turn him back on 108 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,600 Then he started and they had to block the IP addresses 109 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,600 At one point he actually turned off all Wi-Fi access 110 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,600 And the entire building just so he could say that they actually 111 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,600 Could provide connectivity to the outside world 112 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,600 But it was horrendous 113 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,600 His whole hotel was interesting 114 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,600 But you got to be careful 115 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,600 You have rooms with no walls 116 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,600 Yeah, their walls are made of glass 117 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,600 And it was after I almost 118 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,600 Seriously injured myself three times before I figured out 119 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:03,600 This little button you push 120 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,600 And then a curtain opens up 121 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,600 In front of the glass 122 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,600 So you don't do exactly what I was doing 123 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,600 I didn't see much of the room anyway 124 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,600 Something else I learned 125 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,600 Windows has a very interesting default setting 126 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,600 If you have a virtual private network 127 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,600 By default 128 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,600 It will always route all of your traffic 129 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,600 Through your virtual private network 130 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,600 And that's the default setting 131 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,600 Now if you never use the virtual private network 132 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,600 Then it doesn't really even matter 133 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,600 I mean actually 134 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,600 When you think about it this is totally 135 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,600 Tenfold 136 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,600 Tenfold 137 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,600 Tenfold 138 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,600 Tenfold 139 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,600 Tenfold 140 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:48,600 Tenfold 141 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:49,600 Tenfold 142 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,600 Tenfold 143 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,600 And now it's tenfold 144 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:53,600 The tenfold 145 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:54,600 You'll have 146 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:55,600 Moment 147 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:56,600 Big wind up 148 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:57,600 Sorry 149 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:58,600 Yeah 150 00:08:58,600 --> 00:08:59,600 So the tenfold I'll have moment 151 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,600 Is that the virtual private network 152 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,600 Which you can set up in Windows 153 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,600 Which of course I have with the pod show office at San Francisco 154 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,600 And there's another default setting 155 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,600 It will automatically redial if the connection is broken 156 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,600 And so I really learned about this 157 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:12,600 When this connectivity 158 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,600 Tho tell, kept crapping out 159 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,600 And then I'll kept popping the connect to the VPN 160 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,600 Connect to the VPN 161 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,600 And the virtual private network 162 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,600 And so now I understand that 163 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,600 Why my mic 164 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:26,600 I set up this VPN 165 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:27,600 I don't know a couple weeks ago 166 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,600 And I thought my bandwidth sometimes was really weird 167 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,600 And the reason why if you just kind of imagine your head 168 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,600 I'm connecting to the internet 169 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,600 From Gilford 170 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,600 That connection is actually going through the internet 171 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,600 All the way to San Francisco 172 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,600 And then my computer for all 173 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,600 Technical 174 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,600 From all technical aspects 175 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,600 Believes it's actually connected to the secure private network 176 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:53,600 And San Francisco 177 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,600 And then it goes out and then gets my request from the network 178 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,600 So obviously this traffic is going around the globe 179 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:00,600 Several different times 180 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,600 The wonder was a little bit slow 181 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,600 So Andrew Grummit got on Skype with me 182 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,600 And he walked me through how to get rid of it 183 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,600 At one point I was so frustrated with all the connectivity problems 184 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:12,600 At the hotel 185 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:13,600 It's okay 186 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,600 Let's just get rid of the virtual private network 187 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:16,600 That's really easy by the way 188 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:17,600 Right-click delete 189 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:18,600 Problem solved 190 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,600 To the phone 191 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,600 To the phone 192 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:23,600 To the phone 193 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,600 At moment 194 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,600 Yeah 195 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,600 So anyway 196 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,600 Go to btpodgeow.com 197 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,600 If you live in the UK 198 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,600 And you want to get you should out there 199 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,600 We've lunch with that today 200 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,600 And we'll be rolling out 201 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,600 Well we'll be rolling out of course a full-blown system 202 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,600 Obviously targeted towards the UK market 203 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,600 But obviously integrated with the existing podshow plus system 204 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:51,600 And there are changes coming there as well 205 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,600 So a lot going on 206 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,600 As I said, a little bit knackered 207 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,600 But very, very satisfied 208 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,600 It's been a great couple of days 209 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:00,600 I'm going back tomorrow 210 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,600 We actually have a board of directors meeting 211 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,600 Since Ron is here and Chris is here and Aaron is here 212 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,600 We're going to hop on a video conference 213 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,600 And do that tomorrow at 5 p.m. 214 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,600 Watch out, scruncher alert 215 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,600 Adam, I don't have much time 216 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,600 Here in the voices you've planted in my head 217 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,600 I'm sitting here in the nunch room 218 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,600 At work and next door to me 219 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,600 I hear the unraveling of many roles of paper 220 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,600 And one word comes to my mind, scruncher 221 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,600 All this time I've never understood that but now I do 222 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,600 What I know 223 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,600 I don't think so 224 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,600 Forever I am a folder 225 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,600 Interesting, you know, I just realize now 226 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,600 That I never asked Gavin Patterson from British telecom 227 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,600 If he's a folder or scruncher 228 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,600 I think he's a scruncher 229 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,600 I don't know, I'll have to ask him 230 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,600 I think he might be a scruncher 231 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,600 I think a lot of telco guys are scruncher 232 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,600 It's beacon of podshow plus 233 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,600 Hi Adam, this is Martin from Reading 234 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:04,600 Long time daily source code list 235 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,600 Now I suppose you could call me a hundred 236 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,600 Because I can't actually remember the time 237 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,600 When I first started listening or how I do 238 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:12,600 I found out about you 239 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,600 So anyway 240 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:15,600 A cool idea 241 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,600 I've been playing around with podshow 242 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,600 Yeah, you found out about me 243 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,600 Didn't you read it on Craigslist? 244 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,600 Under escort services 245 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,600 There's no doubt loads of other people have 246 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,600 And I noticed on this view you can build your own channels 247 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:29,600 Which result in getting feeds 248 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,600 Which you can also see in iTunes 249 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,600 Well I've got a nice neat rocky sound bridge 250 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,600 Sitting on my side border home 251 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,600 And I thought it would be really cool to be able to play 252 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,600 In my channels using the sound bridge 253 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,600 Now I think actually thinking about this 254 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,600 Probably possible using iTunes 255 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,600 And a bit of cludging and this and that 256 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,600 But actually it would be really cool to be able to do that 257 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,600 Just by using the streaming radio function that it has 258 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:50,600 So there's one for your 259 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,600 Clip that people to think about 260 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:53,600 So there you go 261 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:54,600 Oh yeah 262 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:55,600 Scruncher 263 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:56,600 But I did try folding 264 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,600 I just can't go the time 265 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,600 It's just part of your complicated 266 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:01,600 Sorry 267 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:02,600 To complicate today 268 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:03,600 I don't know 269 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,600 I'm not familiar with the soundboard product 270 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,600 But is it one of those 271 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,600 It's just like something that you connect to 272 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,600 To your network and then it can receive 273 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:12,600 Streaming radio channels 274 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:13,600 If so 275 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:14,600 I believe 276 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,600 The smart people at Podshow have already thought of that 277 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,600 You'll see next to every podcast 278 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,600 Every show 279 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:22,600 Every channel 280 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,600 The same place where you've found you 281 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,600 When you go to play your channel 282 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,600 You have a little advanced options there 283 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,600 And you can choose iTunes 284 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,600 You can choose the raw XML 285 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,600 But you can also choose Windows media player 286 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:35,600 Or real player 287 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,600 And I'm pretty sure that 288 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,600 From what I'm hearing you say 289 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,600 The soundboard probably should understand 290 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,600 How to accept 291 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:44,600 What is it? 292 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,600 An M3U or a file 293 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:47,600 I think that's what it is 294 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:48,600 The real player 295 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:49,600 Can access 296 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:50,600 So try that 297 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,600 Try copying the link 298 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,600 That is under the real player 299 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,600 icon 300 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,600 Or it's selected as the downloader 301 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:01,600 For your channel 302 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,600 And I think that link will actually just work 303 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,600 You could also try the Windows media link 304 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,600 Because in essence, although the protocol is not really streaming 305 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:15,600 It will bring in the MP3s in a streaming progressive fashion 306 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,600 And play them as soon as they can 307 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,600 So give that a try 308 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,600 Let me know if not to send me some details on the soundboard 309 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,600 Or whatever the heck is you're talking about 310 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,600 And I'll see if we can figure out 311 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,600 Because yeah, I love stuff like that 312 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,600 I have to take it back by the way 313 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,600 What I remember I was talking about the Nokia 314 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,600 And the N61 315 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,600 That Nokia gave me to try out 316 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,600 I still won't use it as a phone 317 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,600 But wow, this is a fantastic podcast listening device 318 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,600 I really have been deprived 319 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,600 And I've had this thing in my bag all this time 320 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,600 I was using it as a setting up for a demo 321 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:50,600 For British Telecom 322 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,600 Earlier, there was a Friday 323 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,600 And it has Wi-Fi built in 324 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,600 And GPRS, so what is that? 325 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,600 Two and a half generation 326 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,600 It's not quite 3G yet 327 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,600 But it's basically fast enough to bring in 328 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,600 Smaller podcast and reasonable amount of time 329 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,600 And I've subscribed to my daily news channel 330 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,600 And I have, you know, like the New York Times front page 331 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,600 And it also do video by the way 332 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,600 Quite happily it'll do MP4 333 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,600 Not a problem 334 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,600 And it's great because the biggest problem with the iPod 335 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,600 Always, you know, it's got to be charged 336 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,600 iTunes has to have everything downloaded 337 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,600 You have to have connected to it has to be synced up 338 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,600 So either you have a religious habit of plugging that in 339 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:34,600 Every single night 340 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,600 With this thing is like, oh, you know, I'm in the car right now 341 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:38,600 Or I'm on the train 342 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,600 Let me just check my channel, you know 343 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,600 And you can set it up so it automatically connects 344 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,600 And keep your channel current 345 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,600 Or you can do it right there on the fly 346 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:47,600 Plug in the headphones 347 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,600 Or even through the speakerphone 348 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,600 Actually quite a nice device 349 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,600 Not being paid to say this by the way 350 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,600 Just for the run 351 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,600 All right, let me guess 352 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,600 You're talking about BT 353 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,600 Of course it has the address been going on 354 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,600 Same things like that 355 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,600 But then those sort of home broadband 356 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,600 Here we got what is fairly eventually built 357 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:10,600 TTTV 358 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,600 And I think that's what you're doing 359 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:13,600 British telecom 360 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,600 Or I don't know BT over the world 361 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,600 Whatever it is 362 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:17,600 But I'm not saying 363 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:18,600 You've revenge on me 364 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,600 These are the, I think it's that 365 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,600 Well, I'll find out 366 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,600 But if not, it's never was right 367 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,600 Anyway, that's very significant 368 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,600 And 369 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,600 That's very significant 370 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,600 Yeah, BT vision is what they're going to do 371 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,600 I think the end of this year or fourth quarter 372 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,600 Or whatever, which is going to be 373 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:37,600 Television 374 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:38,600 I think what it is 375 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,600 Now I haven't actually seen one of these boxes 376 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,600 But there's something in the UK called free view 377 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,600 Which is amazingly popular 378 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,600 And what free view does 379 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,600 Is it takes regular television signals 380 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,600 Just out of the air, out of the ether 381 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,600 And 382 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,600 And recognize that it's digital 383 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,600 And coded signals that are traveling over that 384 00:16:58,600 --> 00:16:59,600 Over the air signal 385 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,600 And you get like 30 channels right off the bat 386 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,600 All digital, super quality 387 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,600 And then of course if you plug this thing into 388 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,600 Your broadband connection into your phone 389 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:10,600 Socket 390 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,600 Why then you're going to get all kinds of groovy stuff 391 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,600 And it'll be connected up to your television 392 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,600 I think it's also going to have a 393 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,600 PVR personal video recorder built in 394 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,600 It's going to be an interesting 395 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,600 And I think very fun content device 396 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,600 Let me see what we have here 397 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,600 Seven minutes left 398 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:31,600 Okay, you know what? 399 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,600 If you want to call in, leave a message 400 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,600 Or if you want to call in, leave a new phone 401 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:37,600 Jingle 402 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,600 Call the DSC 403 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,600 In the USA 404 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,600 That's plus one 405 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:46,600 201 406 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,600 6256357 407 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,600 That's plus one 408 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:51,600 201 409 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,600 6256357 410 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:54,600 In England 411 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,600 The UK 412 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:57,600 It's plus four four 413 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:58,600 207 414 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:59,600 681 415 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:00,600 3753 416 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,600 That's plus four four 417 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:03,600 207 418 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:04,600 681 419 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,600 3753 420 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,600 If you're a scruncher, a folder 421 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,600 To fingers or a holder call now 422 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:14,600 That's still cracks me up 423 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,600 If you're a scruncher, a folder to fingers or a holder 424 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,600 Sales Weasel Greg at Pod Show HQ 425 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,600 Sent me a very cool interview with Leo Leport 426 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,600 From what is this ad age 427 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,600 Which is an advertising industry publication 428 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,600 With Leo Leport of TWIT 429 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,600 This week in tech 430 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,600 And it's actually it's fantastic podcasting 431 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,600 Because I haven't seen it on any of the podcasting news sites yet 432 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,600 I think it's probably because it's, you know, it's really 433 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,600 It is an industry publication 434 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,600 I'll just read a couple of bits from it 435 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,600 Leo Leport didn't expect to become one of the largest independent podcast 436 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,600 20 began recording as conversations 437 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,600 With former tech TV 438 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,600 Tech News Guru with former 439 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,600 The hell is that? 440 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,600 It doesn't need, it's not even a fucking sentence 441 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:10,600 Tech News Guru, Leo Leport is launching a podcast advertising network 442 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,600 Tech News Guru, Leo Leport is launching 443 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:13,600 What is this? 444 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,600 Why is this copied five times? 445 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,600 Anyway 446 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,600 In conjunction with was it pod track 447 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,600 This week in tech is now running ads 448 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:26,600 And as you know, I've been in the city 449 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,600 So I haven't heard the most recent episode 450 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,600 Or actually the last three episodes 451 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,600 So I didn't pick up out of myself 452 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:34,600 But 453 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,600 They're now running ads for Dell 454 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,600 Team Mobile 455 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:40,600 And Visa 456 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,600 I had a couple of other things here 457 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,600 Adage says 458 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,600 What's adage digital? 459 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:50,600 So maybe it is online 460 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,600 So now you ask people to donate 461 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,600 Like a paid subscription 462 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,600 And you're taking advertising 463 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,600 Is this kind of like a magazine model 464 00:19:58,600 --> 00:19:59,600 Interesting question actually 465 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:00,600 I thought it was compelling 466 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:01,600 Mr. Leport says 467 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,600 We're very much like a magazine model 468 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,600 Where the paper and shipping will be paid for by subscriptions 469 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,600 And ads paid the staff and help you make a profit 470 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,600 Unlike broadcasting 471 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,600 Every additional person cost us money 472 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,600 Because of added bandwidth costs 473 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,600 Which is also very much like a magazine 474 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,600 You do want growth 475 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,600 But you have to think about what it's going to cost 476 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:22,600 You actually 477 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:23,600 With more like public radio 478 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,600 Where your listeners are your supporters 479 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,600 But you have corporate donors 480 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:28,600 Who donate things like bandwidth 481 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,600 And also advertisers or sponsors 482 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:31,600 That is not like public radio 483 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,600 I think someone wrote that down 484 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,600 Kind of wrong 485 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:37,600 We're doing it on time here 486 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,600 I want to make sure I hit the satellite window 487 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:40,600 Just right 488 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:46,600 Adage says 489 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:47,600 How is your audience? 490 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,600 Now this is really interesting to me 491 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,600 Because just reading through this whole article 492 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,600 I see that Leo is answering questions 493 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:57,600 That were 494 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,600 The way we were answering 495 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,600 Probably a year ago 496 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:02,600 Which is great 497 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,600 Because I think that we definitely 498 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,600 Were early or right on time 499 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,600 With really the full-blown advertising model 500 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:11,600 And not just like an ad sense 501 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,600 And certain commercials in the podcast 502 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,600 But really having the host involved 503 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,600 And turning advertising into content 504 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:19,600 So Adage says 505 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,600 How has your audience received the advertising 506 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:22,600 Mr. Leport says 507 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,600 Well, there's some pushback from audience 508 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,600 Which includes a lot of tech enthusiasts 509 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,600 A certain percent of them think we should be doing it for free 510 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,600 But we're not the free software movement 511 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,600 We're trying to create a product 512 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,600 I'm an old radio guy 513 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,600 And like the old fashion radio model 514 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,600 With the host doing the ad live in the program 515 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,600 Like Paul Harvey Charles Osculade 516 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:41,600 It's folksy less intrusive 517 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,600 Gives advertising great benefit 518 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,600 Gives advertisers great benefit 519 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:46,600 Because it's an endorsement 520 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,600 It's us saying we like Dell 521 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:49,600 And it doesn't feel like an ad 522 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,600 It carries more weight 523 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,600 Americans kind of get it 524 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,600 Because they've heard Paul Harvey 525 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,600 I don't think Paul Harvey is the best example anymore 526 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,600 Okay 527 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:58,600 But it is true 528 00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:59,600 You know I like the endorsements 529 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,600 I like talking about products in the show 530 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:02,600 I love it 531 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:03,600 I think it's perfect 532 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,600 But that did catch my eye 533 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,600 You know I'm a big fan of 534 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,600 The BBC automobile magazine show 535 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:13,600 Called Top Gear 536 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,600 In fact Jeremy Clarkson 537 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,600 The guy who 538 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:18,600 Well he's co-host 539 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,600 But he's kind of like the main host 540 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,600 And I don't know how much of the production he does 541 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,600 Or how much how involved he is in that 542 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,600 But he is definitely a god here in the UK 543 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,600 When it comes to 544 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,600 Well many things particularly 545 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,600 Automobiles but other manly stuff as well 546 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,600 That's kind of his whole image 547 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,600 And Top Gear runs in the BBC 548 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,600 Which means there's no commercials 549 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,600 And because there's no commercials 550 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,600 There's no car manufacturers advertising 551 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,600 So they can really there's no benefit 552 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,600 To them saying you know one car 553 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,600 Is better than the other or as they often do 554 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,600 On top gear saying the one car 555 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,600 You know really does suck compared to the rest 556 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,600 In fact this show is so good 557 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:00,600 And so well produced 558 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,600 And I'm sure it's very expensive 559 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,600 To produce 560 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,600 Because they do a lot of really really nice 561 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,600 Produce packages 562 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,600 And they really showcase these automobiles 563 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:12,600 And all kinds of 564 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,600 Very innovative and creative ways 565 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,600 It even won an Emmy award 566 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,600 This is how good this British auto show 567 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,600 One and Emmy award 568 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:24,600 But of course again 569 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,600 Because there's no advertisers 570 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,600 There's no automobile manufacturers 571 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:30,600 Who are advertising 572 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:31,600 Which is really what makes most 573 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,600 Programs if you look at the car market 574 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,600 When there's a show about cars 575 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,600 You know they usually suck 576 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,600 Because you know they're not going to slam a car 577 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,600 Because then the advertising pulls out 578 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,600 Now with this week in tech 579 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,600 I think it's interesting 580 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,600 That they would accept a commercial for Dell 581 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,600 Because you know 582 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,600 And this is just after the laptop batteries 583 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,600 We're exploding you know 584 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,600 Which of course was bad for Sony 585 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,600 Who created the batteries 586 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,600 But you know if something else happens in the future 587 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,600 Will they risk losing that sponsorship 588 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,600 You know I'm all for advertising 589 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,600 I'm totally for it 590 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,600 I think advertising is content 591 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,600 With content changing and with distribution 592 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:17,600 Changing 593 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,600 Advertising has to change along with it 594 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,600 But I am very very wary of 595 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,600 And I think I love the advertising 596 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,600 Visa, fantastic, Timo will 597 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,600 You know when you're talking about tech 598 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,600 And these guys really do talk about tech 599 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,600 I think that there could be a conflict 600 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,600 So that caught my eye 601 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,600 And then I was reading through this article 602 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,600 Just a second 603 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,600 I just got to say goodbye to everybody on serious 604 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,600 I'll talk to you guys 605 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,600 Was it tomorrow for Fubar Friday 606 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,600 Oh man they're going to miss some good stuff 607 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,600 As I was reading through this article 608 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,600 I was like wait a minute 609 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,600 And I went to 610 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,600 PortableMediaExpo.com 611 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,600 I think it is which is for the podcast 612 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:00,600 Expo coming up 613 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:01,600 Oh crap 614 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,600 That's very soon isn't it? 615 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,600 Um 616 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,600 He has at the end of this month 617 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,600 It's like weeks away if not days away 618 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,600 Which I really don't think I can attend 619 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,600 Just because of logistics 620 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,600 I really didn't know if I wanted to go 621 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,600 And all 622 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,600 But legal report is doing the keynote 623 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:19,600 Again this year 624 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,600 Now I remember last year 625 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,600 I was asked what it was doing 626 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,600 A whole 627 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:25,600 Conversation 628 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,600 And all kinds of back and forth 629 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,600 About Ron or I 630 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,600 Doing a keynote 631 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,600 And what the set-up kind of was 632 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,600 Which I didn't like too much 633 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,600 And actually Jason Calcannis 634 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,600 Calcannis 635 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,600 Filmed in 636 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,600 It was kind of having two keynote 637 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,600 You had the alter commercial keynote 638 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,600 Which I believe was what my job was supposed to be 639 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,600 Which I really just didn't 640 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,600 Whole bunch of reason I didn't want to do that 641 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,600 That's you know that's a year ago 642 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,600 I don't care 643 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,600 And then Leo Leport was going to be kind of like 644 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,600 The balance for that and talk about 645 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,600 Non-commercialism 646 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,600 And really about 647 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,600 The passion of podcasting 648 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,600 And so they did do this 649 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,600 They did have Jason Calcannis 650 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:10,600 Start off first last year 651 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,600 The keynote 652 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,600 And then Leo Leport 653 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,600 And thank God for the internet 654 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,600 Because I went back 655 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,600 And I was able to find 656 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,600 Not just the audio of the keynote 657 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,600 But also video 658 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,600 And the video doesn't have 659 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,600 Great audio of course 660 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,600 So technically I was just 661 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,600 String the two together 662 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:25,600 But the video was very nice 663 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,600 Because he had some funny slides 664 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,600 And it was a very funny 665 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,600 Very funny speech 666 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,600 Patricia walked 667 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:32,600 And while I was listening to it 668 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,600 On the couch earlier 669 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,600 The seedings 670 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,600 Oh he has a very nice voice 671 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,600 It's been a radio for 30 years 672 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,600 But I pulled a couple of 673 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,600 A couple of pieces from the keynote 674 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,600 It's just really really interesting 675 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:45,600 Listen on 676 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,600 I'm meeting people that I've been listening to 677 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:48,600 For a year and more 678 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,600 And it's just so cool 679 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,600 For us to get together like this 680 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:53,600 It's really exciting 681 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,600 And I'm really glad to see what Jason said 682 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,600 Because as talent 683 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,600 We win the game 684 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,600 Isn't that nice 685 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,600 So I'm not going to talk about the business model 686 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,600 I have no interest in the business model 687 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,600 Oops 688 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,600 Here it comes 689 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:08,600 People ask me all the time 690 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,600 What's your business model for 691 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,600 Twit and I refer him to the Vorac 692 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,600 The Vorac said podcasting was 693 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,600 Bunk and then he's got on Twit 694 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,600 And he said I love podcasting 695 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,600 It's the next big thing 696 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,600 And I asked him how we're going to make money 697 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,600 And he says you don't have to worry about that 698 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,600 Business model will appear 699 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,600 Fine with me 700 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,600 Because you know the truth 701 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,600 And the truth is 702 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:30,600 And what I'm here to tell you really 703 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,600 Is that don't worry about the business model 704 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,600 I'm only going to have 25 minutes 705 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:35,600 So I'm going to move pretty quickly 706 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:36,600 Here through this 707 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,600 But I know you came 708 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,600 If you came here as a podcast 709 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:41,600 Or you came to find out 710 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,600 How do you make a successful podcast 711 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:44,600 And successful means different things 712 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,600 To different people 713 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,600 If you're Jason 714 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:47,600 Maybe it means making 25 million 715 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,600 Dollars 716 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,600 To me it means making a great podcast 717 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,600 That people listen to 718 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,600 And I'm not going to worry about the money 719 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,600 Now Howard's got his pay day 720 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,600 I am 721 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,600 I just cut a whole bunch of pieces together 722 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,600 So he says he's not going to worry about the money 723 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,600 And maybe this was 724 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,600 Because he didn't quite understand 725 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,600 And for those of you who've been listening 726 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,600 For over a year 727 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,600 We talked about bandwidth so much 728 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,600 I could not 729 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,600 Almost an episode didn't go 730 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,600 Past me why I didn't say 731 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,600 We've got to be so careful 732 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,600 Because success can mean instant failure 733 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,600 Because of the bandwidth cost 734 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,600 And at this point I don't think Leo 735 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,600 And I had spoken to Leo 736 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,600 I tried to get Leo signed a pod show 737 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:33,600 At the time 738 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,600 I really did 739 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,600 I still love to have him on the pod show 740 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,600 Network 741 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:39,600 But I know it's very 742 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,600 Very tricky 743 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,600 Because indeed 744 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,600 Just like his magazine 745 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,600 Metaphor which is not bad 746 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,600 You know the more 747 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,600 The bigger your audience is 748 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,600 The more it cost you 749 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,600 Which is really why streaming failed 750 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,600 When Dan with Cots were just much much higher 751 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,600 In the late 90s 752 00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,600 So what he did then 753 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,600 Is he played a piece of Howard Stern 754 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,600 Ragan on pod casting 755 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,600 And then he gets back 756 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,600 And he really 757 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,600 For someone didn't want to talk about money 758 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,600 And his keynote talked about money quite a lot 759 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,600 Jason said he's got his half billion 760 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,600 So he's not threatened by pod casting 761 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:13,600 I would submit 762 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,600 That if Howard were getting into Brady 763 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,600 Right now he would be much happier in pod casting 764 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,600 In fact that's what that diet tried 765 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,600 Was all about 766 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,600 Was how restricted he'd been 767 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,600 How excited he was to go to serious 768 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,600 Because he'd have no restrictions 769 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,600 Howard you're going to have restrictions 770 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:25,600 Somebody pays you half a billion 771 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,600 Dollars they have expectations 772 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:28,600 Trust me 773 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,600 And I don't think it stops 774 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:30,600 With half a billion 775 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,600 By the way 776 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,600 I think if someone pays you 777 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,600 Any amount of money they have expectations 778 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:35,600 Absolutely 779 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,600 This gets back to my top gear example 780 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,600 If you're doing a movie pod cast 781 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,600 I think taking advertisement 782 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,600 If you're doing a critique of movies 783 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:43,600 Let's put it that way 784 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,600 I think that 785 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,600 Taking advertisement from movie companies 786 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:48,600 Mind being a mistake 787 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,600 Yeah 788 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,600 I do the daily source code 789 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,600 This is all about stupid stuff 790 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,600 I don't see any advertiser 791 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,600 Would be a conflict on this show 792 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,600 Take the money 793 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,600 Be on you 794 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:02,600 I don't care what 795 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,600 They own you 796 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,600 Howard really 797 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,600 If he didn't want all that money 798 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,600 And I can understand why he might 799 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,600 But Howard would be happier pod casting 800 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,600 That's what's the beauty of pod casting 801 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,600 Nobody tells you what to do 802 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,600 And I would submit 803 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,600 You know we're talking a lot about business models 804 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,600 That's what this whole session is 805 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,600 All after this 806 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:19,600 How to make money 807 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,600 You keep in mind as a pod cast 808 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:23,600 If somebody gives you money 809 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,600 You owe them something 810 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,600 D-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-Eeeeeeeee!! 811 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,600 And I think the joy of pod casting for me 812 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,600 And I think maybe for some of you 813 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,600 Is we don't want to owe anybody anything 814 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,600 We want to do what we love 815 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,600 We only owe our listener 816 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,600 An experience 817 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,600 Now I listened to the listeners 818 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,600 But I don't want to have to listen to advertisers 819 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,600 Cause they haven't 820 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:53,320 So Leo, I just wanted to point out that you might want to touch on this because a lot 821 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,400 of stuff has changed when you do your keynote this year at the Portable Media Expo. 822 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,680 I think you definitely should talk to people about why you change your direction here. 823 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:10,400 And I understand why, but as I told you a year ago, we saw that this would be an issue. 824 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,200 And so I'm glad you're solving it, definitely, different interests. 825 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,200 Don't you think? 826 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,200 Yeah. 827 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,520 The listeners will tell you what you want. 828 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,680 So we've already said on Twitter, we'll never take advertising. 829 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,280 Oh, let's just listen to that again. 830 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,920 Advertisers, because they have a different interest. 831 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,400 Don't you think? 832 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,880 The listeners will tell you what you want. 833 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,640 So we've already said on Twitter, we'll never take advertising. 834 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,360 The lesson here is never say never, my friends, which is crazy because when I hear Jason say 835 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,960 that the Engagit podcast making them a couple hundred thousand a year, I'm done on cheese. 836 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,560 What have I done? 837 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,960 Right. 838 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,000 Now, there's something else that our listeners want. 839 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,840 Before we do this, I just, I threw this in last night because I just got some stats. 840 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,240 There's a company called pod track that is, I think a pretty good idea. 841 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,960 If you're looking for advertising, their idea is, and I've talked to Mark McCree a few times. 842 00:31:58,960 --> 00:31:59,800 Maybe some of you have. 843 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,360 I know one of the things he did right was talk to podcasters. 844 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,600 They're going to match podcasters with advertisers. 845 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,880 Again, I'm okay. 846 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,160 So I definitely would like to hear more about that. 847 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,600 I think if you're, and pod track, some would say, oh, you know, they're competitive. 848 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,800 I don't think so. 849 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,400 The space is so incredibly huge. 850 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,840 There's so much advertising, so much independently produced content. 851 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,880 We need, we need lots of other companies doing this. 852 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:33,000 But I don't think a match of delcomputer to this week in tech is a good idea. 853 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:33,840 I just don't. 854 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,880 And I think you can see very easily why that doesn't seem like a good match. 855 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,120 I think VC might be a very good match. 856 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:48,880 Chute, you know, well, at least guys do talk about a lot, you know, I guess it all 857 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,280 comes down to the execution. 858 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,880 You know, when we get paid to talk about the little man movie, I told you, I hadn't seen 859 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,880 the fricking movie. 860 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:01,920 I didn't see the movie, my ad consisted of, you know, like four different times 861 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,840 me telling you, I hadn't seen the movie yet. 862 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,080 That to me is content, that's, it's commercial content. 863 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,240 But it's different than the advertising. 864 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,720 I think that the Twitter is doing. 865 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,040 But one of the things they have is a free survey that you can give your listeners. 866 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,520 So I put this up on the Twitter site on Tuesday. 867 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,560 We got about three or four thousand responses. 868 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,320 So I thought I'd share some of these with you. 869 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,720 First of all, this is the age demographic, and you can see the majority. 870 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,840 The only I did about 30 minutes. 871 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,400 So this is just like a 20% of the entire community. 872 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,520 Our 25, 34. 873 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:40,240 This is actually about what you'd expect with a big chunk, 35 to 44. 874 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,520 And there's five, 75 year olds listening. 875 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,080 I got a little nervous when Jason started talking, because as soon as money gets in 876 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,440 the equation, it changes everything. 877 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,240 And I was, yes indeed. 878 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,720 Big lad, he ended as he did, which, say, the talent is in the driver's scene. 879 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:02,520 Whether you want money or not, ultimately it comes down to that. 880 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,280 Mainly, it's all summarized in one word. 881 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,160 Your passion. 882 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,560 That's what people come to your podcast to hear. 883 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,960 That's what you should give them. 884 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,160 Don't worry about the business model. 885 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,080 Don't worry about how you're going to make money. 886 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,520 You're doing this because you love it. 887 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,560 Don't forget that. 888 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,520 Podcasting is a breakthrough because it's cheap and easy to do. 889 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,000 And anybody who has something to say can say it. 890 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,160 In less God forbid, you get an audience. 891 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,680 I don't think that was very good advice. 892 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:37,440 Subsequently, in the years since then, there's been many, many podcasters who have literally 893 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,640 run out of bandwidth, podcasts, hostings, companies have gone down. 894 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,440 We've brought these people into our network immediately just to keep them going. 895 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,680 Of course, it's much more stable now, but you can see what can happen. 896 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,120 This could happen anybody. 897 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:59,560 If any show just starts to take off, bandwidth is an issue. 898 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,480 And then, you know, if you want to offset that with commercials, and obviously, I think, 899 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,240 you know, having a commercial podcast, you can still be very passionate about what you're 900 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:08,240 doing. 901 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:09,520 I'm passionate about the commercials we do. 902 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,520 Let's speak in a voice. 903 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:11,520 Haven't even done any today. 904 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,720 What do I have to do here? 905 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:14,720 The Accurate Targetcast. 906 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:15,720 Right. 907 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:16,720 Accurate.podge.com. 908 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:21,720 No, I saw the test drive girl video for driving the Accurate Art. 909 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:23,520 He actually couldn't check that out. 910 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,520 Test drive. 911 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:25,520 Grilled.podge.com. 912 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:26,960 But it's an interesting car. 913 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,520 It talks back to you a lot, kind of like the Jaguar does. 914 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,680 Except the, I think the price is a little different. 915 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:39,680 Probably, it probably drinks as much gasoline, go juice. 916 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:45,840 But anyway, I think it's, I'm very happy to see a big media property, because that's 917 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,960 what I consider to be, it's really a media property. 918 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,960 I'm happy to see it following in the business model that is being established. 919 00:35:53,960 --> 00:36:00,600 And I'm going to be listening really closely to what the execution is of their advertising. 920 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:08,040 And Leo, again, obviously, if you would like to have Podge show try a couple matches with 921 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,040 advertisers, you know where to reach me. 922 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,040 Fuck it. 923 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,040 I'll call you. 924 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,680 All right, everybody, anything left? 925 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:22,480 No, the only thing left is a little more pod safe for music for you to take out on this Wednesday 926 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,480 night Thursday. 927 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:26,360 I love you every single day. 928 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,160 I love you from the moment that away. 929 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,880 I love you all the new 11.0. 930 00:36:31,880 --> 00:38:59,000 [ Music ] 931 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,560 I love you every single day. 932 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,200 I love you from the moment that away. 933 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,440 I love you more than you will ever know. 934 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,720 Of course, it's hot safe. 935 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,240 It's from down on. 936 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:12,040 It's the gorskees and every single day. 937 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,200 A nice song, just like it, it was really sweet. 938 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,240 I think I played them before. 939 00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:20,440 Internet girl, that was the song that I played by those guys before. 940 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,280 All right, everybody's on off to London Town tomorrow again. 941 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,320 But oh and Ron and I, I think it's probably been about a year. 942 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,440 We've been a strategy guest as well and we keep threatening to do one. 943 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,600 But I think we actually might pull it off this time. 944 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,040 Unless we get really busy as usual. 945 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,120 All right, I'm off to bed everybody. 946 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:41,720 Thanks for listening. 947 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,560 DailySourceCode.com. 948 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,000 That's where we can find all the links to everything discussed in today's show notes. 949 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,120 And Adam and pod show.com is, uh, we can email crap to me. 950 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,560 Talk to you tomorrow everybody. 951 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:52,200 Bye bye. 952 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,800 49, a folder, a happy listener. 953 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,240 And this is when you are your best. 954 00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:09,320 When you're talking about all your experience in music. 955 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,120 So the just solo guitar, I love it. 956 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,480 When you, I know what I just played was you going up. 957 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,360 But you just do an excellent job of just bringing it all together and tying it together. 958 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,360 It's a joy to listen to you every day. 959 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,360 And thank you very much. 960 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,000 Take care, bye. 961 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:33,880 Last. 962 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,520 Get this podcast and more great ones like it on the high performance podcast delivery network 963 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,840 from pod show and limelight networks. 964 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,160 I love it.