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Double 5-7.

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Too shale, chap, mayce me think back to the time when Miss Moneypenny, or yes, would be actress

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who plead Miss Moneypenny.

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She and I got together had a little trist and I showed her what the double owes really

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It was $16 million worth of airplane strapped to my ass, and the next generation radio

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content in my ears.

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I like to think I'm flying into this jerk.

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In a world where TV networks, movie studios, and record labels still think they can

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govern what you see in here.

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One man has the power to return control of entertainment to the masses and make big media

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corporations wet their tiny little pants.

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From Pod Show, home of the world's most dangerous new content comes the Daily Source Code with

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Adam Curry.

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strange book, freak accident, Chinese phrase book, taken off daily source code episode 557,

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hey everybody, how are you doing coming to you from the affluent suburb, sorry, I'm sorry,

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it's the curry manner on the west side of G-town, how are you doing? It's been one of those days

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already for me, yesterday I had that whole BT thing I did in the morning, today at 930 I knew

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I had an appointment with my dental hygienist and dropped Christina off at school and then continued

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on to the dentist, but the road was diverted, broken up, so I arrived like 20 minutes late,

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and they said, no, you know, I have another customer 10, I called you that I was late, why didn't

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you say come back later, and she said, well it turns out we can take you to a clock, so

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kind of got to hurry to show along today to make that appointment, and then of course I came back

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to the manner, I walk in, I open the door, and the minute I hit the, the, the mat inside where you

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where you wipe your feet, which is right inside the door, I know exactly what has happened,

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how the little Yorkie took a dump, and I walk right in and step right in it, and man, it was one of

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those, like those, you know, dark crap doesn't always have to smell, but when you step in it,

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right, and then my finger started bleeding again, the one that I cut open on the, on the

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nav kit, for the N800, I got lots of fun stuff to talk about when it comes to the N800 today,

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but first the seems to be all kinds of trouble in mainstream radio land and and also with the

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streaming media, I don't know if you've been following all these stories, I see Scott Penton sent

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me story about first the payoff over all the fines that were paid over Payola accusations.

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The company's accused were clear channel communications, CBS radio, enter-com communications,

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and Citadel broadcasting, combined the paid a total of $12.5 million in fees for taking money in

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exchange for playing certain records, or songs that actually says, a practice poppin on his

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payola, which of course, you know, in a free open world, I guess, isn't a problem, but when you're

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using very limited resources that are licensed by the government, you can't play favorites like that.

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And let me see some interesting things in this story, not so much about, you know, well,

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first of all, what did the guy from Clear Channel say? He is pretty funny here. It is Andrew,

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W. Levin, Clear Channel's executive vice president and chief legal officer said,

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well, no violations were found. We are pleased to announce that Clear Channel has agreed to

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settle this long-standing payola investigation with the FCC. We believe it is time to close the door

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on this ongoing inquiry and move forward. No violations were found, then I don't understand why

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you paid the fine. The way this works, by the way, is through independent record promoters.

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It's not like some record executive comes into the studio and slips the guy some bills,

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and he starts playing the song as much more sophisticated than that. Independent record promoters,

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and I know several of them, and a really nice guy's, but they are totally sitting at the

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asshole of the industry of mainstream RIA and broadcasting. That's where the real money flows.

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And I think I've mentioned before how it works, but they will essentially pay an independent

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record promoter money. And it could be millions and millions, and it's often based on number of

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plays, number of spins that a song gets on radio stations, that independent record promoter

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basically represents. He doesn't really represent them in that case, and he doesn't really represent

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the record company, but he can do things like say, hey, you know, I'm promoting Kaiser Chiefs.

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I'm just pulling something out of my ass, doesn't matter who. I'm promoting the Kaiser Chiefs.

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I'll tell you what. I'm going to give you 100 tickets to their concert when they come through town,

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and I'm going to give you a promotional budget of $40,000. He's a real figures, by the way.

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I'll give you $40,000 and 100 tickets, and now you're not allowed to spend that on anything,

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but promotional activities. There's a little catch, which of course is, you know,

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one of the monies in, right? And it gets paid to the station. It's not paid to disjockeys or to

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program directors. Of course, there's all kinds of, you know, business-related dinners and lunches,

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but that's normal in any business, I guess. And so, and of course, it's not written down,

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but that is an exchange for an X number of plays. And those plays are determined by rotation.

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going to get played, because that's all automated. So that's essentially what this is about.

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But here's something that I found very, very interesting. Where is it?

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It was a very, it was about independent labels.

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his radio companies. Mr. Spitzer's inquiry disclosed how such payment payments have become widespread

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as label executives pressed to obtain exposure for stars. In some cases, label executives offered

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pay off directly. Oh, okay, I stand corrected. In others, they hired middlemen known as independent

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record promoters to funnel gifts or other enticements to radio station personnel. It's much more

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sophisticated than that. I'd love to see the original court documents. I don't know if you can

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get them anywhere. I'm sure under the Freedom Information Act somewhere. Here's, here's this

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extra deal. So this settlement with the FCC, this article states, it's from the New York Times.

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playing artists who are not signed to contracts with the four big record companies. I caught my eye

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because that basically could mean everybody. I think. But it appears that this deal, I'm reading again

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negotiated by the American Association of Independent Music provides that the radio companies will

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broadcast the equivalent of 8,400, so 8,400, half-hour segments of music from such artists.

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I guess who are members of the American Association of Independent Music.

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according to the people briefed on the deal. Wow, this is very interesting.

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a pod safe music association, PMA, and negotiate such a deal? Why did they agree to that?

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they're struggling to get anything they can, but it seems not like we have the really

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the four big ones, then we have thousands of smaller ones who are basically a fifth big one.

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8,400, half-hour segments. I wonder if that's from all radio stations?

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8,000 stations all have to do one half-hour segment? Does anyone have any more information on that?

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business. And I say, you know, start streaming pod safe music. This is crazy. I've got to tell

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you, I'm afraid again to play anything from my first gen iPod when I look at all this and like,

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now these guys are pretty fucking serious. They're really, really, really grassy. We had anything

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they can, and it's a bit frightening, I have to say. And by the way, that $12.5 million, I'm just going

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back to the FCC Payola case. Where does that money go? Does that go to artists who got

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jipped, who didn't get played because stuff that was for pay for play was put into rotation?

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Where does the $12.5 million go? Does it just go to the city? Does it go to Elliott Spitzer?

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Inquiring minds need to know. Fantastic news. Nokia. I am such a fan of this

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N800 tablet. I really am. It's not a cell phone. It's the web tablet that I've been using.

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I'm just waiting about because I love it so much. I was doing email. I don't have to walk around

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a laptop. No, can't. Everybody say it. Nokia. Nokia could turn on thousands of podcasters,

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but I really like the open source nature. I'm SSHM from my laptop. And then I have the NC running.

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Next to it, you should see this development environment. That's what the N800 is fantastic for.

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It's available now. Love it. By the way, this is not paid endorsement. No money has

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exchange hands with Nokia. All right. Sunder from podcast studio, Donna Nell. I thought the

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vocals were a little low and that makes their sunder. I liked it though. Yesterday I tried it out.

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I tried Void for the first time at the entire day to see how it would work and this gizmo project

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is awesome. Now, of course, the reason why it's awesome is because I'm using it on a device that

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is portable throughout my entire home. I can walk wherever I want, continue the conversation.

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I mean, that's talking about the Nokia N800 web tablet. And I plugged in the headphones that come

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with it. It comes with headphones with a microphone built in. So I love doing phone calls in stereo,

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or at least with two earphones in. So nice. Because then you're really in the conversation.

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It's much easier to concentrate. And so there's a mic built in. Everyone said that they could

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hear me find. It was a very minimal delay. It seemed like an ongoing conversation.

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The only thing I couldn't get to work at all yet. And I've looked around and I've googled it

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and it seems that not everyone's having the same problem where they have had the problem and it went away

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is a DTMF tones. So when I'm calling into a conference line and I want to, you know, I need to

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control the computer on the other end with the touch tone keypad. It has a keypad. This gizmo

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project software. And I hit it, but it, you know, it doesn't respond on the other end. So maybe it's

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just a one-off that I didn't work. I like it. I really do. And people are calling me on it. Now

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there's still some, some crap going on with it. You know, and I hate this every single time

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this, you know, you work with new technologies and particularly when it comes to stuff that we're

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so used to. Color ID is way, way, way important. And it just doesn't seem to work very well through

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many of these voice applications. It shows up as asterix caller at sippphone proxy01.cippphone.co

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whatever it is. It's not handy. Give me the, please, show me the number. So I know who's calling me.

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I got a lot of comments about about voice over IP. As I, as I had expected and

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this asterix thing, I've been reading about that for a long, long time for years it seems.

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It looks like it's like a very robust platform now for a building open source based PBX's or phone

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switches. Hi Adam, TJ for a user. I was just listening to the DSC on my every other day

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commute back from Brussels. And you were talking about two things. One, getting a folks'

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discussion, maybe for your offices. Plus, just want to say, have a look at a asterisk,

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which is definitely a great open source PBX, which is not already your average open source project

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that this cable is only in complete call centers. Yeah, he goes on for another minute in 24.

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I'll save you. But yeah, I checked out the the Asterix project. That's awesome.

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I'm going to see if I can, if I can get Brian to look at this, Brian is the operations

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of pod show before he goes and buy some really expensive voice systems. So typical the way that goes.

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But I think it'll work. Particularly for these phone conferences, it's fantastic. I call the

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whole day yesterday. I think they used like 17 cents. I was on the, I was on for hours.

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Yeah, so totally digging it. By the way, I have two accounts on the Gizmo project and the one

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that's searchable. I don't have the password for it. I'm not quite sure how that happened. Maybe

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someone else registered it. But it's not me. I'm not listed in the white pages. I don't want this

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number to be known. If you don't mind. That comic strip blogger posted a comment about the

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N800 yesterday in the comment section on the show site daily source code.com. As I'm looking

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for a name, you know, we have Trinity, the lovely, the lovely beauty that is my baby poo colored

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1984 Mercedes station wagon running on biodiesel that is going across the country as we get the

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N800 system ready to feed back information. So of course, this box is about to open reports.

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White open. So a select few developers can come in, violator file system. And of course,

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if it's a sheet, and Trinity has a name, she has a name as well. I thought Angelina would be nice

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because those are highly desired ports. Comic strip blogger yesterday with another suggestion.

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He says, yes, Angelina Jolie is sexy because she's a mixture of two races, native

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American and European, but you would be more proper to call the N800 Tariah. That's Tango

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Alpha Romeo Juliet Alpha Tariah. It is a popular Finnish name and also first name of current

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Finnish female president. Fins would love you for this. Tariah. And it's probably like

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Fuck you in Finnish, and only comics would block it. Comic strip comic strip comic strip comic strip,

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comic strip, the daily source code with crap. That wasn't it. Oh shit. How did I do that wrong?

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Oh man, it was so perfectly perfectly set up. All I wear is a comic strip blogger sent in this whole

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thing. All right, I found it. Here we go. Where come? To help the city of Charlie,

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557, a podcast of Adam Curry who is a young boy compared to me an old prick who can't get it up.

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Neither with Viagra nor with Levitra, but wrong cop off for just coffee with splendor.

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Let me stay worthy. It's back. Oh boy. Yeah. I have no idea what he's talking about.

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But thank you. Now I don't have to mention Splendent Folgers. You did it for me. Here's

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a thing I played before the kind of misfire. The daily source code with Adam Curry. It's my art

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being able to choose the music that I want to play for you is virtually Nirvana. It's musical for my

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work. I love the cowbell on it. Oh, it's sweaty. I really want to lift that leg and squeeze the

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butt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good. It's geeky goodness. I mean, just start this thing up on a

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command line and then lock that puppy down. You know, that's about all this need. It's low.

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You're supposed to be my trophy wife and I can just see it now. And it's all for you. It's my job

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to entertain you. If that means going to jail, so be it. I love Brian. No, just started working

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at Pod Show at the beginning of the month. Welcome, Brian. He does that at the Frank Truth podcast.

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It was a cool man. We're doing a whole mess of them for and we're going to do them in video.

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I think for our, like, top 80 shows or something. It's a tremendous task. I have no idea.

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We're going to pull it off. But this was kind of a test to see if this is, this is, you know,

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kind of the direction we want to go. I love it. I love the way that sounds. I don't know, Jim.

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Jim. You've seen fused. I've just got an invite this morning and I've just installed it.

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Me, this is this is each of this. This is definitely the future of television.

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Oh, I haven't gotten the invite to the minute, but if you don't already have one, give us a

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certain, if I do get one, I'll certainly send you a link about you. This is fantastic. Hey,

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so hearing James's enthusiasm, I have received a couple of invites to juice. That's the Skype

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guys or it's a company, the Skype guys invested in. I don't think they're running the company.

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And actually it's a Dutch name, which you would pronounce Yost. But okay, everyone's saying

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juice fine, which makes it sound so much more like juice, the aggregator. But anyway,

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so I think they're, their beta must have opened up a little bit wider because now I'm receiving

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invites left and right. And I got to say, fire this thing up. It's like, wow, you're blown away

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by the quality. They really, really did that right. And I'm looking at it. I'm like, I had the same

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reaction James had. It's like, yeah, this is television. This is fucking awesome. And that, of

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course, is the great thing at the same time, it's kind of the bad thing. Because it feels very

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much like television and navigation. You know, it's like a cable system, so you have channels.

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And actually more like programs, I would say. So you have, you know, the discovery network

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has a channel and they have one show in there. I presume they're going to have more shows

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per individual channel. It's going to be a lot of mainstream content in there. So I think for

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for saying it's a, it's a different way of watching television. Absolutely.

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Is it YouTube now? Is it, by the way, I would not mind having a, a pod show channel in there.

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Definitely see if we can get that we can weasel our way and wouldn't be much different from

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producing for serious satellite radio, I guess. Because, you know, it's, I'm not, I'm not sure if they

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have like a subscription type service. The one thing I do know is, and I'm not quite sure how they,

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how they add up the numbers. I know actually, yeah, they have it right here. When you use this

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per hour, you will be downloading the equivalent of 350 megabytes and uploading the equivalent

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of 150 megabytes of data. So that's half a gigabyte per hour of, of watching. Now, of course,

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you're probably going to watch it for an hour, half an hour. It seems like that's going to be a

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problem. If, if that amount of, if forget about, you know, people who are on set payment plans and

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and stuff like that who could run into some significant issues. I got juiced by juiced

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when that suck if someone didn't know that they had a cap on their bandwidth and they're playing

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with this thing and then, you know, they get some astronomical bill. I guarantee you that's going to

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happen. You know, someone is going to get fucked by that. But that can happen with anything. That

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can happen if you leave a bit torrent open or lime wire or anything. You could get severely screwed

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on you. I used to have that all the time in Belgium. Oh, it's suck. Because you couldn't even get

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unmeted bandwidth there. But this half a gig thing, I think is going to be tough on just networks

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in general. And I wonder, I think that it's highly possible. Now, these guys are kind of smart because

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they're taking a, they're taking a stance and they're saying we're really going to go after,

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you know, big television shows and mainstream content. And yes, we'll have some, what they call

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user generated stuff. Crap, serious people. Stay tuned. More coming up. Yeah. So they say that they'll

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have a channel for user generated content. So I pretty much seems like it's going, they're following

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the iTunes model. And their business model from what I've understood is based on advertising. I haven't

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seen any ads pop up yet. So I don't know if they've enabled that yet or how they integrate

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them. They seem to have a lot of cool overlay technology. So when you're, you know, watching a show,

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I presume something could slide in over the top. It wouldn't necessarily have to interrupt.

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You know, that could be interesting to see what they come up with there. But this, this bandwidth

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thing, I think it could spark off the first example. We'll see of a net neutrality debate in the

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real world, because, you know, think about it for a second. That type of traffic. It's just a lot.

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I'd ask any network engineer. If a lot of people are using this, I don't care how distributed

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it is sucking down 350 megabytes. And well, it basically transferring half a gig per hour.

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If that happens a lot in your network, it's going to start to suck. And maybe some of their

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topology is set up. So, you know, it does work better within networks. But, I mean, my DSL, here's

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pissed poor as is. Imagine if, you know, because, of course, I'm sharing it somewhere.

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It's some head ever ratio. I forget what it is. So, of course, I'm sharing that somewhere else.

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It's some head-end connection thing. Some switch point. And, you know, so, if a couple people

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are watching juice through all these different, you know, local network points, it could, I think

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it could bring down the network. I'd love to hear from engineers who know about this stuff.

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I know a little bit about it. That's why I'm concerned. But, I couldn't really tell you if that

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is a big deal of prepared for it. But, it seems like a lot. It seems certainly like a hell of a lot

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more bandwidth than your YouTube usage, if you know what I mean. I mean, that's, of course,

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that's why they get this beautiful quality. So, I think the, the telcos, the telephone providers,

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basically, who are running a lot of this, well, even the cable guys, a lot of the same problem.

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The cable guys know how to distribute video very efficiently. And this has, I just don't think

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a very efficient way of distributing video. At least not with current capacity. So, I think that

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they're going to say, hey, you know, juice guys, fuck you. We're switching you off the network.

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And they're probably more likely to do that because the television networks and production

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companies who are contributing. Now, again, I'd love to contribute to it too, because I think

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the experience is fantastic. You know, they're licensing their content to juice. You know,

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I think that they are, in effect, in direct competition with a lot of the services that the telco

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providers, you know, think of IPTV, you know, the British telecom wants to provide their own television

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on their network. In their own distributed way and their, in their way, you know, it's their

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network. They know what the hell they're doing. I'm sure Virgin Media wants to do the same. They're

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in fact, they're already letting you download stuff. So, you know, but that's through their system.

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You know, we're going to have two systems with huge downloads running across the same network that

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it only one party is paying for. I'm telling you, it's a train wreck. It's something very bad

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is going to happen. Hey, Adam. This is the nylon from Wimbledon. So, let me say, I appreciate your kind

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of editorial correction when you're sure about my call. Thank you. This is subject though.

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Is I want to get your reaction to a e-mocker report that predicted that advertisers will spend

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about 400 million on the podcast by 2011. And they say that compares to about, I think,

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it was 40 million or 80 million last year. And that's compared to a 20 billion that they predicted

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will be spent on online, advertised in 2007. So, basically, they're saying 400 million by 2011

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on a 20 billion spend today's online, which sounds somewhat minuscule. So, one of the

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goodger reaction, because this is your business, and you have been to capital behind you,

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they've made assumptions. I just want to see if this jives at your view of where the podcast

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business is going. And you're happy with that 400 million or what do you think of the assumptions

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that may have made that a wrong estimation? Thanks. Well, very good question.

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Good question. Okay. I know you're a scruncher. You don't have to tell me.

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Yeah, I think it's way off. I think it's a very low number. I'm not sure. I'm not very familiar

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with e-marketer. But I think that they're only look, they're not looking at brand advertising. I

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believe that they're looking at the Google Adsense interactive budgets and how those are growing

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and how those are being implemented and all of the metrics associated with it. I don't believe

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that's where podcasting is going to make a difference. It's very hard to do contextual based

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automatic insertions into podcasts. It's just hard. There's a lot of manual labor involved.

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And while you're doing that, then you might as well really deliver the goods that brand advertiser

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wants. So this is a big company's Pepsi Coke, KFC, McDonald's, Johnson & Johnson, Proctor &

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Gamble, and Heiser Bush. Hey, look at what Anne Heiser Bush is doing. Anne Heiser Bush started their own

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station. They know. Anne Heiser Bush beer marketers in general or any package goods. These people

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are very, very smart. They know how to reach their audience. And actually, Anne Heiser Bush has

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been having a very hard time with their products. They know how to reach the audience. But the

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audience is, you know, things have changed. These, you know, what do you call, Alco Pops?

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You know, the mixed drinks that come in in beer bottle sizes. You know, that's what's really

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ruling their bris, but their business. I know they used to be a client. I know some folks over there.

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I think the general consensus is, you know, if you're drinking a beer, you don't get laid.

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That's kind of so they need to turn that message around. And that's very, very hard to do. And so,

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you know, they're saying, hey, you know, screw this. We're going to create our own culture, our own

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content. And they've got Anheiser Bush TV. It's very, and they got the same very skilled people on this.

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And they're spending millions of dollars huge investment. So I believe that a better strategy for

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a company like that would be to find existing content that has the culture you want and work with them.

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I mean, you know, in a sponsorship arrangement, because only those people who have that audience,

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like you, you're my audience. You may, I know that there's some people who listen to me just to hate

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me, and that people just listen for all kinds of reasons. But, you know, I know you and you know me.

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And so, if I'm going to start advertising a product, you know why. And we have a way of discussing that.

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Anheiser Bush can't come in and just jump in and start talking the way we do as the daily source code

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family. All 12,000 of you.

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You know, so I think it would be much smarter for brand advertisers to go look for these,

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these groups of communities who have a clear, not a leader, but someone at the head is an audience.

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You know, it's that everyone, all these companies are looking for customer engagement.

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Yeah, that's what we call an audience, okay. Audiences feed back to the performance, whether it's

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in the theater, whether it's in the movie theater, whether it's on the radio is a little tougher,

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but, you know, phone calls, it's the same thing. That's big feedback. You know, that's what an

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audience is. That's what brand advertisers are interested in. People who are listening to shows

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because they really want to listen to them. And not because they just happen to, you know,

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catch a, catch a great snappy song and then we'll hear the ad right after it, you know.

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So I think, uh, e-marketer is it? E-marketer? Yeah. I think they're low. I think they're very

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low because a lot of this money is going to come from other budgets that e-marketer does not track.

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That don't think they track radio and television advertising spend, particularly radio.

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And mind you, radio people have been so restricted. Radio media buyers and creative people who are in

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creative audio advertising, which says a lot of very fucking smart people really creative and they get 15

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seconds, you know, do your job. And there's so many more things that can be done.

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They've been sitting around watching the interactive people, you know, just their budgets grow

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and all kinds of euphoria. And, you know, they still have, you know, the radio buyers still have

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kind of the same budgets and the same dreary kind of existence. You know, it's nothing much has

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changed. That things only get more limited. And, you know, that's tougher to, to get what you want.

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And the buy what you want and get the information you want is these companies have consolidated.

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And, uh, they're, um, you know, they're also looking at diversifying their spend. So I think it's

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going to be much much higher than that. Certainly by that timeline, I can see it. It's just,

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it's going to be much more. I think that most advertisers now probably are dipping their toe

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in the water at around 100 grand for a month campaign. Um, you know, so if they start to go full

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time, the numbers start to go up pretty quickly. And I think that there's, you know, I've said this

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before. It's going to turn around advertisers will literally have to audition to get on certain shows.

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And it's not like, you know, like American Idol type of audition. But, you know, uh, we already

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see this today. We have plenty of sponsors who, um, we think will fit with a show in the show.

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So, man, I don't think I can sell that to my audience. I don't think they'll be interested or

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I'm not interested or, you know, I don't know a way to make it work. I'm okay. Don't do it. Next one.

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I got a couple more comments before I get out of here.

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Hey, Adam, this is Don calling from the West Coast account. And, uh, just picking up on a comment,

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you may in the DSC553 about trading water. And, uh, we're probably already trading water. We'll

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in fact, we are already trading water. You know, United States has been buying water or access to

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water rights from British Columbia since, well, probably in the 50s, but certainly in my generation,

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certainly in the 60s, uh, United States sponsored huge hydroelectric projects here in, uh, British

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Columbia to allow the control and flow of the Columbia river, which flows down into the United

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States. And, uh, they have, uh, basically sponsored, uh, some of these projects, uh, for the return

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rights of having, uh, Canada not cut off large volumes of water going down into the states for two

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reasons. One, the generation of hydroelectric power, which is, uh, is an extremely abundant resource

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here in British Columbia, which gets sold at that very, very, very low rates down into the United

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States. And, obviously, the continued flow of the Columbia river down into the United States,

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so that farmers down south of the border can actually get access to the water for the purposes

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of growing. So, uh, water trading, uh, on a global or an international scale,

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it's been going on between the United States and Canada for many, many years. And, I'm not sure

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if you're aware of that, just like, yeah, uh, this stems from, uh, I can't remember exactly what

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the comment was that I may, but I read after that, and before this, before I saw it, I heard this

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comment. I read that, um, uh, what was it? It was about email, um, that, you know, the, the, the, the

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idea of paying for email, even it was one cent, which, of course, would kind of stop spammers,

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but also would raise the bar a little bit on the quality of, uh, of email. You might think a

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couple minutes, but, you know, if you're sending it in 100 emails a day, it's a bucket day,

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but for a spammer, it's, say, it's much tougher. Um, you know, everyone's like,

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up in arms saying, that's impossible. And no one will pay for something that used to be free.

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Water is a very good example. It used to be free everywhere. And we buy it in bottles a lot more

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than you'd think. And, uh, and there is a lot of, and, and the comment, the next wars are going to

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be about water. That's for sure. Brent from Podio Radio sent me an email, uh, perfect subject line,

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subject lines really do catch your attention. You look very pretty today, Adam was a subject line.

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Of course, I opened that up. Uh, Bo Hall loves you. Some kick ass music for the DSC. Of course,

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on the PMN, the song is Hell and Ecstasy. The artist is Bo Hall. You'll love this guy. I've played

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them before, I think, living in love or something like that. Yeah, I do take this. It's like country rock.

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Bo Hall on the DSC. Hell, ecstasy.

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[ Music ]

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or we'll wait until we got you from me and have to see.

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Paul Hall, hell.

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And next to see you find that on the Podsave Music Network links in the show notes

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of dailysourcecode.com.

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Thanks to PD Love for another fantastic opening to the show.

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I'll be back tomorrow.

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It's going to be a weird week traveling to New York on Friday, then to North Carolina.

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The reason why I'm in North Carolina on Saturday nights of Sunday is we're filming a new

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episode of Port City PD and I play a role.

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I have a cameo in the next Port City PD, so I can't wait for that.

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They needed my clothing sizes, so I guess there will be costumes involved.

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I'll be back tomorrow with a very sparkling clean teeth.

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Talk to you then, bye-bye.

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Another Port Show Podcast, stick it in your ear.