1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 This podcast is brought to you by Poncho and GoDaddy. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:10,000 This show will give you a special code to get great discounts at GoDaddy.com. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 Got something to say? 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Walk it with your frequent log from GoDaddy. 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Time to play where in the world is Adam Curry. 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,000 He was in Spain. He was in the UK. 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Two days later, he shows up in San Francisco. 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,000 He's everywhere. He's like a fugitive. Where is he going? What's he running from? Huh? 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Check it out on the DSC. 587. 10 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,000 He was in Spain. He was in Spain. 11 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,000 He was in Spain. He was in Spain. 12 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,000 He was in Spain. He was in Spain. 13 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,000 He was in Spain. He was in Spain. 14 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000 He was in Spain. He was in Spain. 15 00:01:08,000 --> 00:02:36,250 [ Music ] 16 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:43,880 Okay guys, grab your gal and hit the floor because here's that beat you in the way 17 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:44,680 into swing too. 18 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,680 Along with that beat with the beautiful eyes, one very beautiful like a trinketide, 19 00:02:49,680 --> 00:04:17,680 [ Music ] 20 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:35,280 Hey, remember I told you the lady Patricia was working on some special project, there you have it. 21 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:42,320 The Star Sisters strike back. Better known as the Nilfs. Oh man, if you're into that dancing 22 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:48,320 with the star stuff, well, this is the kind of music those people love. I gotta say, I kind 23 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:54,480 of like it myself. It's awesome. I love the military cadence at the beginning there. Now it's 24 00:04:54,480 --> 00:05:01,760 not pod safe yet. However, check this out. And this was something the lady P worked on quite 25 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:08,080 a bit with her record company or the record company she's been with for 20 years or something 26 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:13,520 like that. They're going to put it up on the pod set music network. They have a publishing company, 27 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:19,200 so they have all the rights, all the ASCAP, BMI, everything's covered. I did say to the to the 28 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,920 the record company and said, just send me that in writing. Okay. And then I'll be happy to help you 29 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:30,640 get that up on the pod set music network. Should be up sometime this week. And she will be performing 30 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:40,240 that live on dancing with the stars in the Netherlands on Sunday, May 6th. And she's, you know, 31 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:48,000 I love my wife man. She's nuts. She's really, she's off the race with this one. She will have 32 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:53,680 video. I'm sure we're going to put it up on pod show when a video of the show. It's going to be a 33 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:59,760 lot of fun. I've actually been working on getting 30 of the royal Dutch marines onto the show. 34 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:05,760 And it's just, it's a creative project. And she's completely, completely embedded into this. 35 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:11,200 And it's cool. I like it. This was obviously a remix of a song that she had a number one hit with. 36 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:18,080 And I think in 1981 or 1982, they went through so much trouble trying to find the original master 37 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,560 that had been some flooding in one of the studios. And it's like, you know, this is all magnetic 38 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:28,800 tape days, right? These are big 24 track magnetic tapes. And it's been quite a project. 39 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,520 Anyway, coming to you from Northern California right here overlooking the bay. It is the Curry 40 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:39,120 condo. This is the daily source code episode 587. Thank you so much for being along for the ride. 41 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:45,440 I got in this afternoon. Boy, what an interesting trip. First of all, you know, we got back 42 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:51,680 late. I should say early Sunday morning, really Saturday night. And you're not going to believe 43 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:59,280 what happened to us. Or to me, really, over the course of two days. So we arrive at like 44 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:03,680 130 in the morning. And of course, you know, our temporary visas are being turned into permanent 45 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,600 visas. And so I have all this paperwork I have to show from the home office. And it's, you know, 46 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:13,280 big pain in the ass. So we're like 10 minutes, maybe 15 minutes at immigration. And okay, 47 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,880 so when they stamp everything they'll let us through. And just about everyone's already got 48 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,280 there, their suitcase and they're all gone. And Andy, of course, who would win with us on vacation, 49 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:27,040 Christina's bow, her boyfriend, which I got to tell you a story about in a second. 50 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,000 You know, he says, oh, okay, there's only a couple left. And here's yours. And he, you know, 51 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:39,760 I have a really beautiful, to me roller bag, a big one. And I, and I cost a lot of money. And I 52 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,400 said, you know, it's like $700 for a suitcase. But I travel so much. It really at the end of the day 53 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:49,120 is well worth it because, you know, basically it hangs together. And there's also not a lot of them. 54 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:56,960 And it's just, it's, it's a, it's a really good travel case. And it's convenient, you know, 55 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,760 it's got a pop-up handle on wheels and the whole thing. And, you know, it might's pretty distinctive. 56 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:06,400 It's a, it's a standard, it's a standard bag. It's got the, you know, the leather tag on it. And then there's 57 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:14,000 a gold virgin flyer club card or whatever. And so he brings this over and I'm like, wow, 58 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:20,560 there's a lock on it. My lock was cut off by the TSA. I mean, how can the lock did they put a new lock on it? 59 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:26,480 Then of course, I realized that the gold card on the, on the suitcase is not a virgin gold card, 60 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,680 but a British airways gold card. So now it's like 145. It's like two in the morning and like, 61 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:38,160 oh my God, someone picked up my suitcase. And there's a still here. It's the middle of the night 62 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:47,760 word, Gatwick Airport, North Terminal. I was like, f**k, f**k, f**k, f**k. I mean, what are the chances, 63 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:54,480 right, of both the same bags coming in from Tenerife, exact same configuration, the only difference 64 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,440 being a lock. And of course, mine is heavier than all shit. But I guess someone, you know, 65 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,280 this guy's suitcase was pretty heavy too. So anyway, so I take this bag off. I roll over, 66 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:08,000 there is a baggage services, there's someone there. And right at that very moment, thank 67 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:14,720 goodness, the guy was in the parking lot. And he realized that that he had the wrong suitcase. 68 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,280 So he found someone on the other side of customs and they communicated with the baggage. And 69 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,360 he was really nice guy. You know, we were both laying out. So we went through, by the way, it's a 70 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,800 great way to smuggle shit. Let me tell you, because when that happens, no one checks you. Like, 71 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,320 oh yeah, let's go find the guy. They forget to look at your suitcase. Nothing I had any 72 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:36,320 contraband with me, of course. And so the guy was on the other side, you know, really nice thing 73 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,960 was a Scottish. And, you know, we laughed about it for a few minutes and shook hands. And so we took off. 74 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:47,440 Okay. So just keep that part of the story in mind. Let me just cycle back for a second. 75 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,200 The headphone earlobe for those of you who had not been following along. 76 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,840 Fuck you, already knew that didn't you. I'm so confused with the time you 77 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:01,200 already talked about that on yesterday's show. Here, oh, he's what I want to say about Andy. 78 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:09,040 So Christina and Andy, they share their own suite right next door to ours. They're very grown-up kids. 79 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,680 I have to say, you know, that's almost 17. He's 17. So what are you going to do, right? 80 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:19,680 And everything was peachy keen until he decided to dunk her in the pool. 81 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:25,600 And I think she had just blow dried her hair or some shit like that. And she, she threw all 82 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:33,760 his shit in the pool. I'm talking about his bag. He's close. I like, oh, yeah. That's my daughter. I love it. 83 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:40,560 Okay. So, um, spend a little bit of time at home on Sunday. Of course, 84 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:43,920 had to, you know, go to the doctor, have the headphone earlobe checked out. 85 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,480 And the Monday morning, it picked up because coming to San Francisco. And, you know, Virgin, 86 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:54,800 they sent the car for me. So I'm, uh, off to the airport, you know, struggling to be on time as usual. 87 00:10:55,040 --> 00:11:00,000 And it's a madhouse in the Virgin lounge. I mean, it's like there's a, there's a band playing, 88 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,880 there's a million people. I'd never seen anything like it. What the hell is going on? 89 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:12,880 Well, it's our inaugural flight to Chicago. And, uh, so this is all press. And, uh, it was great. 90 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,440 You know, I was talking to some folks from, uh, Sky News, from Bloomberg. 91 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:23,840 Um, oh, there's this guy, uh, what's his name? Uh, he does the business travel report on CNN, Richard. 92 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:29,120 He's, he's a total whack job. If you've ever seen that show, then you, you know, exactly 93 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,720 I'm talking about. Anyway, you know, I went up to him and I said, hey, man, I really love your show. 94 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:37,680 I got your fucking wacky. You know, come on over to the dark side. He actually seemed pretty interested. 95 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,040 And I said, when he's in San Francisco, he'd look us up right. 96 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:47,680 Probably see each other in London before that. And, uh, guess who else was there? Sir Richard. 97 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:55,200 And his parents. So, uh, I went over and I said, uh, excuse me, Sir Richard. Uh, I'm a, I'm a paying 98 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:02,560 punter. A punter, by the way, is kind of the kind of, is that like slang, I guess, English slang for, uh, 99 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:09,040 just a dumb, dumb fuck who pays? I'm paying punter, you know, congratulations. I really love your 100 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:14,000 airline. Man, he was a, but a nice guy. But it was really weird. He shook my right hand with his left hand. 101 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:20,960 I wasn't too sure at all that was about. Okay. Anyway. So, um, so it was, it was just a mad house in the, 102 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:27,120 in the virgin clubhouse. Uh, then they got on the plane, you know, by the way, delayed for an hour. 103 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,480 I don't know what that was all about. I came in late from New York as getting out of New York 104 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:36,240 apparently was a nightmare. So, uh, we left late, um, you know, typical flight. What I watch, um, 105 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,000 the pursuit of happiness, the wheel Smith movie. That was pretty cool. Like that. I've been reading 106 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:45,280 another book, uh, the third secret, which is, uh, kind of like, uh, the Vinci code type book 107 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:51,120 and arrive at San Francisco and, uh, everything's fine. You know, I go through, uh, immigration. 108 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:58,240 I'm there, uh, waiting for my bag and, uh, all the bags go by and, uh, my bag's not there. I do notice, 109 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:04,720 of course, another two me bag, um, just like mine, but it has a, um, it had a, uh, like a ribbon 110 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,280 tied around the handle. So, like, okay, well, that's not mine. I didn't tie ribbon around it. 111 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,040 And I'm waiting, I'm waiting, then everyone gets their bags. And then, of course, there's like three 112 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,120 bags left. One of them, which is the fucking two me bag with a ribbon wrapped around it. And 113 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:25,520 exactly, how is it possible that would happen to me twice in as many days? So, I look at the tag 114 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:30,960 and there's like Amy Frederickson or something and there's a number and I call the number. 115 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:37,280 Hello, it's Amy. I said, Amy, it's Adam. Do you have all your bags? Yeah. I said, well, 116 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,720 there's one of your bags here and it's a two me bag. Do you have your two me bag? Yeah. Well, 117 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,840 I think that's my two me bag. Didn't you notice? It was like 8 million pounds and didn't have a ribbon 118 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:55,040 on it. She was already 15 minutes away from the airport. So, she had to turn around and come back to 119 00:13:55,040 --> 00:14:02,080 said, uh, I'm in a BMW X5. So, I'm standing out there by the corner. I got, I swear to God, 120 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:08,400 a black Beamer X5 pulls up with five cute chicks in it. Oh, sorry, three cute chicks. 121 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:16,240 And they're like really apologetic and we swap bags and I went to my condo like good married boy. 122 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:23,760 And my ears, I have I have stuff like all this cotton, you know, padding and wattage because 123 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,800 it's the headphones man. I got to be really careful. I do not want to have a resurgence of the 124 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:35,760 headphone earlobe. No, I don't like the in ear experience of like the iPod headphones. I really 125 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:42,240 need to have phones that cover my entire ear. But this is very, you can hear now that the tape is actually 126 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:50,160 sticking to the headphones. So, a lot of great responses about the, about the first of the savon 127 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:55,920 series having come extra blogger on yesterday talking about mobile phone industry and about the 128 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:02,640 French elections briefly. I have to say pretty much everybody was completely positive about that. 129 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:09,440 So, talking to another savon today, docks or what we're talking about, the death of web radio, 130 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:16,480 of web casting because I think it's, I don't know. I mean, podcasting, of course, I think is, 131 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:22,960 you know, huge growth curve and part of that is because the total, you know, just routing around 132 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:30,640 the mainstream music business and using creative commons, licensed songs and podcast music, etc. 133 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:39,040 But docks or else, he knows a shitload about radio. He knows about the streaming stuff and 134 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:46,080 he's just an interesting guy and he's an a-lister. So, we'll be talking to him later as the 135 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:54,720 official savon for today's show, one in a series of many. Hello Adam. This is Tokyo Dan and it's 136 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:59,520 been a while since I've given you any feedback. And I know that you prefer feedback from listeners 137 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:05,120 rather than podcasts these days, but I have something I have to say in this time it's not positive. 138 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:13,360 Man, what has happened with the pod safe music network? Absolutely nothing. That's right. 139 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:19,280 It's still in the same sorry beta state it was a year ago. It's like it has been forgotten about. 140 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:27,520 A year ago is exciting and more than acceptable because it was new. But a year later it's unforgivable. 141 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:33,840 I mean, have you ever tried to do a simple search? It's almost fucking useless. For example, 142 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:42,960 I select R&B as a genre, enter a simple keyword such as Love and 62 result pages are returned, 143 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:49,520 but not just R&B tunes, but songs and every other genre that's on the PMN are returned. 144 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,840 All right, hold on a second Tokyo Dan because I see you got more than a minute left of this rant. 145 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,320 Okay, let me tell you, um, first of all, search your absolutely right, sucks. 146 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:08,640 However, you can do a genre sort. So if you just select R&B and don't put in a search term, 147 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,840 it will show you all the R&B tracks. I'm not saying that that's right. 148 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:20,240 But it definitely is one thing you can do. Now, I don't use the pod safe music network necessarily for searching, 149 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:26,560 but please rest assured. We're quite aware that it sucks and we're actually implementing 150 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:32,880 a new search across everything. So the search that works and I think the results are beautiful at 151 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:38,960 podshow.com and podshow.com slash music. You might want to try that. I comes from the same 152 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,920 database for more about that in a minute. So we are implementing a better search across the board. 153 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:49,600 Absolutely agree. As search, you could even miss, you could even misspell like one letter 154 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,400 and it won't give you results. So it sucks. But, you know, it's like dude, 155 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,400 there's a lot of stuff going on. Okay. Next try the same thing under advanced search. 156 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:06,480 Nothing is returned. Not an advanced search is just to make you feel happy like you did some like 157 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:12,000 it did something. That's never worked for me. Come on. I know there are some R&B songs with the 158 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:19,360 keyword love. No way, man. It's for artists on the PMN. If they sell their music and have some money 159 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:25,040 in the PMN, there's no easy to find information about how to get their money out of the PMN. 160 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:32,000 I know the artists have to contact podshow and request a check. But outside of the USA, 161 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:38,480 a 20 or 30 dollar US check costs more to cash than it's worth. Jesus Christ, why can't you 162 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:44,720 implement a system as simple an elegant as PayPal? Oh boy. Oh, how I wish we could implement 163 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:52,240 something as simple an elegant as PayPal. But doesn't quite work as well if you want to have 164 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:58,080 a repository where you can go back and download the song you want as many times as you want the 165 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:06,320 song that you bought believe me. And also, at the time when we implemented what is it that 166 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,720 click and buy, I think there were a whole bunch of other huge benefits which really allowed a 167 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:16,720 lot more people to be able to buy through the system. Now just just to reiterate, we added this just 168 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:22,880 as an option. We don't make any money from it. It's 99 cents. I think it's nine cents that goes 169 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:29,520 to click and buy for processing. We take nothing. The artist gets everything. So for a little bit 170 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:35,440 of extra hassle, I think, you know, we are basically, you know, the fucking you get what you pay for. 171 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:42,000 But okay, point taken. I think there are better systems now. But you can understand why that was 172 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,880 on a little bit of a lesser priority than a lot of the other things we've been doing recently. 173 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,920 Man, Adam, by the way, there's no reason to take the Lord's name in vain on this. 174 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:57,840 Really disappointed with the PMN. I used to really go after artists to get their music on the PMN. 175 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:04,000 I told him it was a new way to market and sell their music. It looked like the wave of the future. 176 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:09,360 Well, now the PMN is just a ripple of the past. And I'm too embarrassed to ask artists to put 177 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:15,920 their music on the pod safe music network. I guess the pod safe music network was just the first 178 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:21,200 stepping stone you used to create your pod show empire. Now that you got all the content, 179 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:26,320 you need not to generate a profit from advertisers. You don't really give a shit about the artist 180 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:31,280 that help you build the base of your empire. You know, that's it, Adam. That's all I have to say. 181 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:37,280 I'm sorry, but that's the way I feel. All right, Tokyo, Dan. Well, that of course is quite 182 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:46,160 offensive. What you say at the end there, particularly if you know that in 2006, over 250 million 183 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:53,920 spins were generated through the pod safe music network. So that's just songs that were played 184 00:20:53,920 --> 00:21:01,120 from the pod safe music network and were reported back. And by the way, that mechanism is very 185 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:07,040 much alive and kicking. Is the pod safe music network dead? No, absolutely not. Have you seen how 186 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:13,680 many new songs come on every single day? No, it's growing exponentially. Now, the things that 187 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:20,000 you'd like to see fix, which you say, you know, to say that we don't care about it or that, you know, 188 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:25,040 oh, we have enough content. Now, fuck it all. No, have you not noticed, perhaps, that we actually 189 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:31,920 integrated the pod safe music network into the listener side. So podshow.com slash music. Now, 190 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,960 you can access all those songs, all of the charts, all of the plays, also what shows they 191 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,280 didn't play it on. That's not just template work, okay? I mean, there's logins to consider. You 192 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,120 have to, you know, have a universal log in. There's a whole bunch of crap that came with that. 193 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:50,400 I took a long time, dude. You know, send me some programmers who will get everything done for your 194 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:55,200 liquidity split. You know, at the same time, we have to deal with bandwidth. We have to deal with 195 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:02,560 all kinds of stuff. So, a little bit of leniency would be nice, okay? Just give us a little bit of 196 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:08,400 a break. I understand that you don't like the way stuff is, and we'll try and make it better. But 197 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:15,280 that type of comment, I think it's just I'm called for. Hi, Adam. It's Matthew calling from Australia. 198 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:20,560 I was tempted to call and leave a message after listening to the CSV interview last week. But I'm 199 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:27,120 glad I waited until this week, and heard your interview with him on the Monday show. I really 200 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:32,720 preferred that. I thought it was a much more interesting, so to listen to. And I encourage you to keep 201 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,880 up with the interviews. I think it's a great idea for a new format. Keep up with the work. Thanks. 202 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,120 All right, man. And I appreciate you calling it and saying that as I said, most everybody thought 203 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:45,120 it was a good idea to look at the, you know, rehash the format a little bit. 204 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:53,200 Um, well, I forgot something really important. Okay. Let me, let me, let me play the, uh, 205 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,080 fuck. Oh, I'm such an idiot. You know why? Because I'm looking at the clock. I'm looking like 22 206 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,840 minutes. I'm like, oh, I've got to stop for the satellite window. And then I thought, oh, no, 207 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:09,600 there's something I had to tell you guys. I couldn't tell you this. You know, I was in New York, 208 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:14,960 and we have having meetings with Syrius. We've been going back and forth. And I really couldn't 209 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:20,320 say anything about what has been going on because I wanted to make sure that everyone who's been 210 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:26,080 contributing to the pod show on Syrius, uh, that they knew what was going on first. And in fact, 211 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:31,680 let me, um, we sent an email today to all the shows that are participated. I'll just read it to 212 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,240 you for a bit of them because it really does explain exactly what's going on. And a couple of you 213 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,560 already been sending me questions, although not a lot, but I certainly got five or six questions about this. 214 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:46,240 Okay, this is, uh, from Richard Brueher, hey, and of course, I'm on a list as well. Hi, 215 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,320 guys, as you know, we've been investing in making significant enhancements and improvements to 216 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:55,120 the pod show network where the launch of our new colo, that's a co-location of the data barn last 217 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:59,600 week. We've created the infrastructure necessary to take our partners and programming to the next level. 218 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,800 Over the past months, we've begun to develop opportunities for distribution into new markets and 219 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,680 across exciting platforms and network to the same time. We've been reviewing our current relationships 220 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,000 with a goal of focusing our energies where we'll get the most return our investment for pod show 221 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:21,120 our producers and our audience. As you are aware, the radio market is undergoing a massive restructuring 222 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:26,160 with the merger of Sirius and XM, the pending rollout of digital radio and the new licensing of 223 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,240 internet radio. We believe it is an incredibly opportunistic time one that we are uniquely 224 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:35,040 positioned to take advantage of. Our relationship with Sirius was exclusive and although very 225 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:40,080 positive for the past two years has become less productive for both parties. At the same time, 226 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,880 new opportunities are coming up that are more core to our progress. We have therefore 227 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:50,080 terminated our exclusive relationship with Sirius and have begun to review a variety of options. 228 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,240 Now, this, of course, frees up producers, PWF, and Brian Know to help drive the production of 229 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,160 some of these great opportunities and to focus on enhancing the production quality of audio 230 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,480 content on our network. We'll keep you posted on all new developments as they come to fruition. 231 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,400 On behalf of Ron Adam and all of us here, thank you very much for your hard work. You've been 232 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,800 part of the first podcast indication to any other platform for congratulations. You help make 233 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,920 pod show and pod casting history. So I wanted to make sure that I told you that. 234 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:24,000 It would have been nice to have been able to finish up and then have a good buy show, 235 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:30,560 but that show this folks. What can I say? Okay, so back to the savant segment. 236 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:35,840 I think I'm going to be able to get at least one savant in episode. Now, the trick of course is 237 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:41,680 to get all the shit into the show without making it extremely long with the interview. 238 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,960 And by the way, I want you to know that this format change doesn't mean that I don't 239 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,280 student want naked pictures and shit like that. Okay? So a few free to send those. And of course, 240 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,880 keep your comments coming into the phone numbers. Here's the UK number. 241 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:14,400 7 5 3 plus 4 4 2 0 7 6 8 1 3 7 5 3. So welcome to the daily source code Doc Serals on the 242 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:20,720 eve of of your trip to Brussels. So I'm glad you could take it just a few moments because you 243 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:26,720 sir are a true savant in every sense of the word, particularly when you have to cover a few things. 244 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,280 Well, when it comes to web radio, actually, I think when it comes to radio in general, I mean, 245 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,000 I've been reading your weblog for many years. You always have the inside track. You always have an 246 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,400 interesting take. You come at radio from a little different perspective than I do, I think. 247 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:48,720 And you've been blogging a lot about the changes in the fees to be paid for music. 248 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,280 Is this the copyright royalty board? Is that who made this decision? 249 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,880 The thing is that the, I was a very long story. I'll try to make it as short as possible, 250 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:04,160 but it started probably before the DMCA, but the DMCA is a good, a good place to sort of, 251 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,200 that's the digital millennium copyright act. Yeah, the digital millennium copyright act, which was 252 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:18,160 past I think in October of 1998. And a moment of things left unclear was what, what online, 253 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:23,280 what, what, what U.S. Broadcast, I should say webcasting stations playing, 254 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:28,880 or I double-A license music would pay to the organization created by the I double-A called 255 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:35,840 sound exchange in royalties. And let me just stop here there for one second, Doc. Does that mean 256 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,800 it's the only fee you have to pay for using licensed music, or do you also have to pay 257 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:47,440 ASCAP BMI on top of that stuff? As I, as I understand it, that, that's, that's still owed, 258 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:54,720 but that's, it's, it's so not a gating factor that it's not really been part of the conversation, 259 00:27:54,720 --> 00:28:03,680 that the, from the beginning, the R I double-A wanted to charge the, the webcasters, the 260 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:09,520 maximum possible amount. They wanted to do with online radio with their never-letoo, with broadcast 261 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,480 radio, and which is basically set the term by which the music was used. And so they set really 262 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,840 would amounted to pretty heinous terms. And there's a lot of back and forth at the end of which 263 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:25,520 they're, through something called a copyright arbitration royalty panel or clerk. Originally, 264 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,520 we still, I think, copyright royalty arbitration cattle, but it makes still that out. 265 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:38,320 That was crap, yeah. Yeah, and so, and so that, that was, that was settled by Senator 266 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,920 Jesse Helms, that he was, it was partying from the Senate, mostly on behalf of the religious 267 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,760 broadcasters who realized that they would be completely screwed along with everybody else. 268 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:53,360 Okay, so let me, let me just set this doc because it's really complicated stuff when it comes to 269 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:59,840 rights and royalties. So essentially, now streaming goes back, I guess you're right to 1998, 270 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,160 and it was okay, you know, since it's not a download, we'll, we'll let you stream our music 271 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,880 because what, you know, stream license music, but you're going to have to pay a special fee for that. 272 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:16,160 Probably not dissimilar to a subscription fee to a music service in a way, like Napster or, 273 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:22,960 or, you know, one of these other subscription-based systems. And is that incorrect? 274 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:32,480 I'm not sure, here's what they wanted from the beginning is to charge on a per listener, 275 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:39,920 per song basis, and they wanted to impose those reporting requirements on the stations, and they wanted 276 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,680 to, basically they said that they're, you know, we, we think this is, first of all, they characterize it as a 277 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,000 performance, okay, and the most of the performance rights goes back to the fees, I think. 278 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,280 That's, you should be asked, but the point is they wanted the stations, they said basically, 279 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,040 here's what it costs, and you guys have to pay this, and you don't care if the place you had a business 280 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,920 or not. And, and a kind of settlement was reached in in 2002, and everybody kind of thought, 281 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,400 well, that's kind of gone away, at least on a listing side. I, I paid very close attention to this 282 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,840 for a number of years, and they didn't pay any more attention to it, until early this year, 283 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:21,760 when something called the copyright royalty board, which nobody heard of, suddenly shows up and says, 284 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,880 oh, no, you're, here's a new rate, oh, but a winner, a hell of a higher than you've ever seen before. 285 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:32,240 And this time, everybody got thrown into it, there was a, there was a quiet, uh, what was called a 286 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,840 card of out for the non-commercial stations that were separate deals with the RWA, that that 287 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,640 includes the NPR stations and other non-commercial stations. They got thrown in there too, so everybody 288 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:49,360 from clear channel to NPR to all the little Pacific stations and ordinary webcasters, and for that 289 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:55,440 matter, podcasters who are streaming, it's a different set of rules for streaming. All got thrown into 290 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,640 the same pod and suddenly had the same problem. And, and the problem is basically there is, 291 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:07,840 for the smaller guys, there's, nobody has yet imagined or put into practice the business model 292 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:14,240 that will allow them to pay these rates. So essentially, it's a debt sentence for web streamers 293 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,360 in the US. Okay, but, but here's, here's what I don't understand. First of all, who is 294 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:26,400 creating web streams, I mean, everyone, it kind of gets lumped into web radio, and to me, 295 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,360 radio is something completely different than a live 365 channel that's basically a playlist. 296 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,320 The people who are hurt most are the people who are just streaming together playlists, 297 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:44,800 and, um, and I guess trying to make money with that somehow, or like, is it like Pandora or 298 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:50,480 last FM? Are these the guys that are getting getting hit the hardest? Or is it a clear channel 299 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:56,240 who, uh, will have to turn off their streams, boo-hoo, I'm crying? Right, and the crucials turned 300 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,200 them off before. Um, like, the clear channel is a player in this, but, of course, nobody knows 301 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:07,920 it's going to be behind the scenes there, but the, um, if it's being streamed, if it's live, 302 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:15,440 then it's considered a performance, and, and the, the IW wants to, wants you as the, as the, 303 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:21,280 as the medium of that, whether you're a robotic playlist or a live radio station, 304 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:27,040 but that's, that's, that's kind of my point is, you know, who's being hurt by these fees? 305 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,680 You know, it's, well, there's a people being hurt by the scenes of most are the, 306 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:38,080 if it's what I'm concerned or should say, are, are the actual, be going, um, radio stations 307 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,840 on the net, that, that people don't, I don't want to knock anybody in live 365, 308 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,600 I don't know, I'm not definitely aware of it, but, but radio paradise, um, 309 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,160 the, I mean, I have about a hundred stations that I can listen to live on my sonos system 310 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,800 here at the house. How many people are listening to the, to these streams, 311 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,120 Doc, I mean, isn't really that, is it really, and, I never hear anything about it. Really, 312 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,760 oh yeah, hell of a, listen, I was, I was talking to, um, at the Brooklyn Center, 313 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,120 we've been working with, um, with, with the, with the public broadcasting folks 314 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:11,680 coming up with, uh, a model to improve, um, uh, their, their revenues from, from their listeners, 315 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,920 and, and it's talking to a guy with a, a pretty large, well, I can't say what it is, 316 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,440 it's definitely one way to see in New York, and, and I jokingly said, well, I'm your listener 317 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,800 on the list code, he said, well, there are 10,000 of you, and this sometimes 20,000 of you. 318 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:31,120 It's a rapidly growing percentage of their total listenership, um, and it's, and I had no idea, 319 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:37,920 and he said, there's much more countable, um, on, um, online, and it is on, uh, through the air, 320 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:44,080 then you've already tried to go, go back to the, uh, but, okay, so, so for, for radio stations, 321 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:49,840 uh, that already have a terrestrial signal, um, and they, you know, so they want to expand their, 322 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,720 um, their market, and they're doing so by providing streams, which I understand, they make, 323 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,200 they make, so they're just not just, I mean, it's, it's radio paradise, which is, which is online, only. 324 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,320 Online, but, okay, but radio paradise is, but Doc, is it, is it, is it, is it just the music 325 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,640 that makes radio paradise, so special, is it, oh, God, no, no, it's, it's built, it's built, it's built, 326 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:14,000 it's built, so, so why, so why would, it is the personality and he's the guy who puts it together, um, 327 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,600 you know, there's a, there's a whole week radio out of Alaska, right? 328 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:23,240 There are a couple of people who are doing this thing out of a shack and have been doing it for years and they do and all of a good job 329 00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:25,960 Right, but what I mean so they could easily use 330 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,680 a music under different license they could use 331 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,040 Music license on a creative commons they could use the policy using our work that you know garage ban 332 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,520 If you're in authority on music that happens which is I mean 90 333 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,680 You know 334 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:48,000 90-some percent of the music that's running through most of our heads is you know above a certain age is 335 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,200 Stuffy for the radio and that but bought a record source and to say oh you can't play that at all 336 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,520 You know, it just doesn't work for a lot of people 337 00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,440 I mean to be a definitely worship people are dealing only in positive music for example or and you know 338 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,120 I mean look I'm the I'm the first person to say I hated because I really miss playing 339 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,880 You know the soundtrack to my life. I'm 340 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,920 Miss sharing that with my listeners. I think it's a travesty and I really despise the fact that I can't do it 341 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,720 But it's just a fact, you know, this so this this seems to me like this is being blown out of proportion 342 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:22,720 We're something that we know we saw this coming years ago doc we knew that it would never work 343 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:27,760 It will be so coming but at the same time everybody again, you know 344 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:33,200 Clear channel NPR and and the small webcaster and the rest of nobody expected it to be 345 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,440 But the royalty panel to make the decision that they did they heard one side they heard the other side and 346 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,480 They expected the 347 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:46,400 The decision to come down somewhere in the middle. It didn't come down in the middle out of nowhere and nobody expected it 348 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,280 It came down entirely on the side of the yard of a way and sound exchange and that's 349 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,640 That's been a complete shock and so 350 00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,200 I mean for again for people who who you know or for whom it's okay that 351 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:08,840 That something as unjust as this happens. Well fine, but you know for a lot of people 352 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:14,320 It's you know who are putting out radio that does play the sound track of our lives 353 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,480 It's this not good. It's you know and and it's not accepted. I mean why should we put up with that? 354 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,120 Why should that be okay? Why should it be okay? 355 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:28,920 For the you know for the record industry to muscle Congress into putting a an nascent business 356 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:34,720 Out I mean that that's basically they're doing the killing of business the killing of it 357 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:39,080 It's just starting out and they're doing it on purpose. I mean, it's just an amazing thing to talk 358 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,720 Have dead. Okay. Here's my take on it. So yeah, I mean, I don't know about the putting out of business 359 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:46,920 part of it because look, you know, it's it's their property 360 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,960 They've they've had a monopoly over 361 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,280 Remusic in the way it's licensed and how it's used for for many many years 362 00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:00,280 In in podcasting, I think we pretty much saw that there was just no way through it. So let's go around it and 363 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,920 For my money, I think maybe 364 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:10,360 We could take all this energy and we could create the soundtrack or the lives of our children or something like that 365 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:16,120 You know, it's oh, it's pretty egotistical at this point. I agree that at the end of the day the listener loses 366 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,040 Because 367 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,680 There's just songs that my daughter is growing up with songs that she should you know that she should know about 368 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:30,040 She's never gonna hear because they're not played on the radio and they're certainly, you know, not played on podcasts and they're just not available and that is a 369 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,040 Travesty, but 370 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,720 Don't you think we should just 371 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:37,160 Get on with it and say all right. Well, you know, because I think either the 372 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,160 Obviously, it's not a strategy for the future for for the for the 373 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,160 mainstream 374 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,160 Music industry 375 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,280 I think that they'll either have to come around and and change their views if everyone says, okay, screw it 376 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,280 We're just gonna go play this other stuff or 377 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,080 They'll die 378 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,080 Right, but but that's 379 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:02,440 I think they can do both. I think on the one hand they can play the other stuff and and on the other hand they can fight 380 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:03,960 What's happened? 381 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:10,680 I also think by the way, and I want to completely switch my point of view on this because I think I think I think there are ways of dealing with it 382 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:11,960 But we can't deal with it 383 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:17,160 I'm the supply side. That's what I'm working on at the Birken Center Harvard right now is coming up with 384 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,320 With instruments on the listening side there's a whole category of 385 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,840 So after that hasn't been created yet and tools and haven't been created yet that that give 386 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:35,560 Not just listeners, but but give customers ways of dealing with vendors that they don't have right now and now and you're here's a way of looking at it 387 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,600 So 388 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,280 And I'll just talk about I'll talk about public radio for a second. This is an interesting thing 389 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,160 So if you're in any room with middle class people in the US 390 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:49,240 It's a family people here listening listening listen to public radio and almost all the hands go up and and you say okay 391 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:53,800 How many actually pay for it and most of the hands come down 10% go up then you mess this? 392 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,000 How many of you would pay for it? It was easy at all the hands go back up again 393 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,720 The problem is it's not easy. Now a color that with with with 394 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:05,720 Music is that 395 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:11,720 With the honor, I definitely want you to what's the station's to charge even the thousands this antipers song 396 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,920 Okay, and it adds up of course you've got four or five 10 397 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,400 20,000 listeners at any given time 398 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,160 That adds up to a lot especially if you're not collecting money for it 399 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:25,640 But what if you could collect money for it? What if we could solve the problem from the listening side of I 400 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,480 I mean if I want to hear I mean just earlier tonight and I was playing with this thing is playing 401 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,200 Six days on the road by Dave Dudley for 1963. It's part of the centric life, right? 402 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,080 I'm gonna fix it to use on the road. I'm gonna go on on my own 403 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,960 Doc you're dating yourself. Yeah, I just want my voice changed to that very song, right? 404 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,240 So I'm gonna imitate Dave Dudley. So anyway, I 405 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,000 So I'm thinking you know, I'd be willing to pay 406 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:55,800 19,000 to this set to hear that song and I would like to be able when I hear it to punch a button on the car radio 407 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,880 Or punch a button on the whatever I'm listening on and say you know, I want to throw it right 408 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,560 I would have also a 20 25,000 to the set in their general right 409 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:09,720 But Doc you come back to it has nothing to do with web radio is just another way of getting music, you know 410 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:15,960 It's like you pay for satellite radio you pay for a subscription to Napster you you know, you pay for 411 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,800 Subscription to Yahoo music engine, you know, it's like wouldn't it just be a hell of a lot easier just to buy a subscription? 412 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,960 I mean I have Napster. I love it. You know, I was like, oh, I'd love to hear that song 413 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,920 Here's interesting thing. We we got Rhapsody other subtle system. You listen to it 414 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:36,440 Mostly, you know coming up to holiday is gonna take a little care to go get a Christmas music channels 415 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,840 We play the Christmas music people come over we play the jazz thing and a plane to class 416 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,840 It's really good and you know why they got a really boring after a while 417 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,800 Yes, because you don't have someone programming it for you 418 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:53,640 Exactly and how much did they say there is and all that but the interesting thing is the real radio stations 419 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:59,800 I mean I listen to small things is something called care CL in in Salt Lake City awesome freaking radio station 420 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,120 There's a little one in in Fairfield, I like how care you you and you know 421 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,800 They're range on the ground is you know four miles, but I'm in that it's around the world and 422 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,240 And I don't know whether they're playing a Creative Commons music or something else most of it is stuff 423 00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:18,200 I haven't heard before but it's cool shit and and I like listening to it and here 424 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,840 Here's the thing I would like to this is like this is a light and on the one hand 425 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,680 I would like to help the stations fight the R.I.W.A and all that on the other hand 426 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,680 I would like to 427 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,320 Create the tools that make it easy for the listeners easier than ever for the listeners to get money 428 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:39,800 Directly to the people who are to be artists and for the intermediaries that are doing the job and and through the day 429 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,040 You mean just leaving it up to Napster and 430 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,680 Rhapsody and those is boring. I mean, I would rather have a 431 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:46,840 You know, you know 432 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,320 And impulse based you know works when I want it to way of doing that. So 433 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,880 Okay 434 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,360 It may be completely bogus. I mean, I work, but I'm trying to make it work. You know, just start about it 435 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,120 Well, when you when you got some news make sure you let me know. I'd love to hear about it 436 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,120 I'd love to have you back on the show to talk about that 437 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,920 Well, I'll be glad to come so just tell me what what are you gonna do in Brussels because it talk what the hell do you do? 438 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,920 I mean you you write you 439 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,680 You're you're an a-list blogger. Are you a consultant? I presume? 440 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,840 Yeah, oh, that and it was the the main thing. I mean right now 441 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:23,080 I've entered the the academic phase in my life. I've got a of a 442 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,680 I'll fellowship at the Birken Center at Harvard 443 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,080 And that's what I'm working on 444 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,280 You know, I bet I bet you can pick up chicks with that. Hey, I'm a fellow at the 445 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,080 I'm a race of a baby. Come on over here. Yeah 446 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,280 Yeah, no, no, mostly 447 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:43,080 I don't know what it does. Anyway, so the but it's fun, but the the other one is that I have a I also the fellowship 448 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,560 But you see a speed here in Santa Barbara where I live to work on 449 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,960 On some other stuff which is too long and complicated going to but it's also cool 450 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,960 The big thing about both is that 451 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,240 Is that I get to save a relationship so two universities that never would have let me in a student so 452 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:03,400 That's that's pretty cool. I was like a straight beast student in school and uh all right, but now I get you 453 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,640 But you got to eat Doc what what are you doing in Brussels? 454 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,000 This is gonna be my dinner. Okay, so so there 455 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,880 Actually, I'm yeah there are cutters a 456 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,800 There's a I'm meeting with some some folks and I'm some business, but I'm also at a 457 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,880 At a conference called inner identity open space that I've been involved with 458 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,440 Online identity 459 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,360 Development for a number of years and there's been some good salty involved in that, but 460 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,160 More importantly, they'll actually manage to move 461 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:38,120 Individual based identity forward with open ID and the number of other technologies over the last few days 462 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:44,520 You really turn them out more of the instigators. What's that? You're turning me on now with all this identity talk. It's making me hot 463 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:53,000 You know good consulting and that course is still right for litics journal. That's my page right right 464 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000 It's been my day job for many many years and 465 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,760 That that gets me a lot of you know the information that's good to make money in some other way 466 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:07,480 Okay, well Doc, I I love the stuff you're writing your weblog. I get it through RSS, but I presume is it still docked out weblogs.com? 467 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,880 Yep, I think I've had the 468 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:17,080 The same address longer. I'm not making the last weblogs.com blog. I think yeah, but the last thing is not just the thing say 469 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,720 So we'll be following you. Thanks for for enlightening us 470 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,400 Somewhat here on on on this whole issue 471 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,960 It's very complicated, but you know, I did keep doing what you're doing. It's all you know that the podcasting 472 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,040 There's actual progress there and and you're not pushing the same rock up. They all look wonderful 473 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,240 Hold different rock. Yeah, it's a rock believe me. It's a rock as well 474 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:55,080 All right, Doc, I really appreciate have a great trip to Brussels and I'll send you a list of restaurants for for you. Okay, bye 475 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,360 All right, thank you 476 00:44:58,750 --> 00:49:46,250 [ Music ] 477 00:49:54,440 --> 00:50:01,340 necessary, crush and soulful battle from the pod tape music network, well, I'm not 478 00:50:01,340 --> 00:50:06,700 quite sure what I learned, but I do appreciate Doc Serals taking the time before his 479 00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:10,100 trip to talk about the death of Web Radio. 480 00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:14,820 Alright, so for tomorrow I'm looking for a savon who can talk to me about the World Bank 481 00:50:14,820 --> 00:50:22,300 and about Wolfowitz, I think it would be perfect for nylon, but I have no idea if nylon 482 00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:26,580 is still listening, haven't heard from him in a while, I don't know what he did while 483 00:50:26,580 --> 00:50:32,780 we're on vacation, but he's just kind of disappeared from the face of the earth. 484 00:50:32,780 --> 00:50:37,260 And of course, I'd love to hear your suggestions for the rights of on to talk about that, 485 00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:39,820 because that's just something I'd like to discuss tomorrow. 486 00:50:39,820 --> 00:50:43,700 It's really hard to do this by the way, I can see where it's 50 minutes right now, and I'm 487 00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:47,300 really trying to keep these interviews at 10 to 15 minutes. 488 00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:51,140 What do we do with Doc about 19 minutes, God's field feels a little bit long. 489 00:50:51,140 --> 00:50:54,740 But of course, I had to do a bit of intro, at least three minutes of talking about 490 00:50:54,740 --> 00:50:56,740 what Doc does. 491 00:50:56,740 --> 00:51:00,820 Okay, so here in San Fran, all kinds of meetings, all kinds of crap going on, so the shows 492 00:51:00,820 --> 00:51:06,100 will be recorded at night, but of course, I know you really like that. 493 00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:10,700 Adam at podshow.com, dailysourcecode.com, hey, we're going to have a fun week, I'll 494 00:51:10,780 --> 00:51:11,700 talk to you tomorrow, bye. 495 00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:21,500 Another podshow podcast, stick it in your ear. 496 00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:26,860 The best in the brightest served up daily by the sharpest minds and content delivery, podshow 497 00:51:26,860 --> 00:51:27,820 in line light.