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Poncho, home of the world's most dangerous new content, comes the daily source code with Adam Curry. 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:01,000 16 million dollars worth of airplane strapped to my ass. 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,000 In the next generation radio content in my ears. 18 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,000 We don't need no sticky and crispy. 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,000 I like to think I'm flying into this jerk. 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,000 Honest and kiss and curry. 21 00:01:13,750 --> 00:04:57,000 [ Music ] 22 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Fireings, let me know 23 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,000 The fun things and not worry 24 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,000 Which means you can find it at quadshow.com 25 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Of course you'll find the link to their 26 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,000 Artist page at 27 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,000 The show notes for the show 28 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,000 DailySourceCode.com 29 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,000 By the way, some very cool you can do 30 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,000 If you follow that link 31 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,000 And you've registered with podshow 32 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,000 You can collect all of their songs 33 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,000 You do it by hitting get it 34 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,000 And you can put it in your collection 35 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,000 So whenever you want to hear it 36 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,000 You can go straight into your collection 37 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,000 It's like a bookmark really 38 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,000 But it's a multimedia bookmark 39 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,000 And then you can just play all the songs 40 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,000 You can put it into a collection of other artists 41 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,000 Hey, cool shit 42 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Anyway, it's DailySourceCode 43 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,000 Episode 588 coming to you from a very 44 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,000 Well, it was a very sunny San Francisco 45 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Of course the sun is now gone down over the yard arm 46 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,000 It is the evening, Tuesday evening 47 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,000 So you're here in this Wednesday hopefully 48 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,000 I'm on my west coast recording schedule 49 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,000 And I'm feeling good 50 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,000 I gotta tell you, I got to bed on time last night 51 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,000 10 30 11 o'clock 52 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 I actually watched a little bit of news 53 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Which was a ton of waste 54 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,000 I watched a David Letterman's monologue 55 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,000 And I passed out 56 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,000 And I woke up this morning 57 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Before the alarm clock went off 58 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Like 7, 10, 7, 15 59 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,000 It's funny 60 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,000 I can actually program my brain 61 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 And say I want to wake up at 7 62 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,000 And at like 7 63 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,000 I will wake up 64 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Maybe 659 or 701 65 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Do you have that? 66 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 I know a lot of people who can do that 67 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,000 I wonder how we do that 68 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Lots of good feedback about the new format 69 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,000 I'm so happy you guys are liking it 70 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,000 And there's of course some suggestions 71 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,000 And lots of people sign up to be savants 72 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,000 In the ongoing series of savants 73 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,000 People hawken their family members 74 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,000 And saying they want to be savants 75 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,000 Because their experts in a certain field 76 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 This is all fabulous 77 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,000 Because I'm going to take advantage of every single one of you 78 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,000 And I've got a couple of pieces of feedback 79 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,000 Privately and publicly 80 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,000 And it's almost like a challenge 81 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,000 You'll never be able to get a single 82 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,000 I guess on every single day 83 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,000 You'll never be able to pull it off 84 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,000 I'm like 85 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,000 Thank you 86 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,000 I really enjoy that challenge 87 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,000 Because I know I can 88 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,000 I know that I am no more than a couple of phone calls away 89 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 From anybody I want to talk to 90 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 I'm convinced of that 91 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Now the most people I'm interested in talking to 92 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,000 Of course aren't famous people 93 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,000 They're not the people you see appear on CNN 94 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,000 Or on MTV for that matter 95 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,000 You know it's a people from our own world 96 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Our own savants 97 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,000 And I love you 98 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,000 And I will protect you always 99 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,000 But so that's good 100 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,000 And I will work very hard 101 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,000 And I'm not quite sure 102 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000 I think I still want to keep 103 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Completely football 104 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,000 I don't want to have a guest 105 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Maybe I'll just do straight music a whole bunch of songs 106 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,000 You know let's shake it up a little bit 107 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,000 You guys seem to be enjoying something different 108 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,000 So that's good 109 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Let me see 110 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,000 I wanted to thank 111 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,000 Doxerals again for appearing on yesterday's show 112 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,000 He of course posted a couple of links on his weblog 113 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,000 He said that he felt 114 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,000 He posted that he felt that he didn't do a really good job 115 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,000 Explaining the issues or what he's working on 116 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Now the vendor 117 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,000 What is it called? 118 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Vendor name system 119 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000 I understand because I've been reading his weblog 120 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,000 So I know what he's talking about 121 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,000 Basically a way for 122 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Customers who don't have a vendor yet 123 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Or who are just finding a vendor to figure out how to pay them 124 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,000 Something like that 125 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,000 But when Doc has it up and running 126 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,000 I'm sure we'll have him back on 127 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,000 We'll talk about it 128 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,000 So you guys 129 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,000 You can't be lazy on me 130 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Okay, because I'm out there 131 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,000 I'm working the guests 132 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,000 I'm getting them in 133 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,000 I'm getting them on the show 134 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,000 And all of a sudden everything stops 135 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,000 There's no more phone calls 136 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,000 Or almost no more phone calls 137 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,000 There's no more bits being sent in 138 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,000 I mean you know 139 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,000 It has to come 140 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,000 Don't be too lazy 141 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,000 Just be sitting back the whole time 142 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,000 Do something, say something 143 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,000 Or I'm going to have to continue playing this annoying jingle 144 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Yeah, I want you to call in 145 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,000 And let me know what's going on 146 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,000 Or if you have some feedback on a certain topic 147 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,000 You know what to do 148 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,000 I'm actually walking here 149 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,000 I'm trying to pull up 150 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,000 Where the hell is it? 151 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,000 Shit 152 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,000 I hope this is the 153 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Where do I put it? 154 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,000 I hope this is the right one 155 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Yeah 156 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,000 Only person who called in today 157 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,000 I had a prolific program 158 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,000 I'm here from San Francisco 159 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,000 It seems that you are coming 160 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,000 I think you're on Tuesday 161 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,000 I would love to get into the other way 162 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,000 In person 163 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,000 In person 164 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,000 You feel the same way about me 165 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,000 Yes, I do 166 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 There for me number is 167 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,000 Okay, well, I won't play as a phone number 168 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:12,000 So this is of course the downside of having all the savants in the continuing series 169 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Are we done with the number? 170 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,000 To see you this week 171 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,000 I'm available any evenings 172 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,000 After 4-3 evening 173 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,000 That's my home from work 174 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Yeah, so the problem is 175 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,000 I wish I had time to hang out with everybody 176 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 I'm here, we're so busy 177 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,000 My life is completely scheduled around meetings that we have at the office 178 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,000 And of course a production of the daily source code 179 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,000 I'll tell you, I wish I could only work on this show 180 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,000 And that's the only thing I was doing all day long 181 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,000 But on the other hand, I do enjoy all the other wacky shit that we're getting into 182 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,000 We're working on some interesting stuff 183 00:10:46,000 --> 00:11:02,000 Yeah, we've been working a lot on lowering our suck quotients 184 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:08,000 And so you'll be hearing about some exciting ways that you can help us suck less 185 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:14,000 And it doesn't matter whether you're a podcaster, a pod safe music artist 186 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,000 Or an audience member, in fact that is in many ways preferable 187 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Because we need some help 188 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,000 So that's the stuff we're working on 189 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,000 And you'll be hearing about that in just a couple weeks 190 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,000 How to help pod show suck less 191 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,000 This is the new Jeff Smith jingle that we've rolled out for 192 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 I still have to kind of learn the timing 193 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,000 I don't need you to help us suck less 194 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,000 Jeff, I love it, no 195 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Okay, let me see, had a couple of other things I wanted to talk with you about today 196 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:02,000 Oh, yeah, just regarding Docsurals and the whole web radio 197 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,000 Link in the comments at dailysourcecode.com 198 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,000 Statement from 365.com 199 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,000 About the copyright royalty board, the changes in pricing from music 200 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,000 And I'm not going to read the whole thing of course I'll put a link to it in the show notes 201 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,000 If you haven't already seen it, Brian, no posted that 202 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:26,000 But so here was an interesting part here 203 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Since live 365 aggregates all of the performances 204 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Stream through our service into a single report 205 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,000 We will be paying millions of dollars to sound exchange 206 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,000 To administer our four quarterly reports when we actually do all the work 207 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,000 On top of that 208 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:46,000 The new minimum fee would be more than triple live 365's royalty obligation for 2007 209 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,000 And retroactively 2006 210 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,000 Here comes Yahoo real networks in Pandora 211 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,000 And so I guess we could lump a couple of the names in there 212 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,000 Let's just take those three 213 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,000 We'll have minimum fees that exceed $50 million 214 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,000 Although they're combined 2007 internet radio revenues 215 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Will not even approach $100 million 216 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,000 So that's like a $50 million deficit 217 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000 So of course you can add last step 218 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000 M to that and a whole bunch of services 219 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,000 And as I reflected a bit more in the conversation 220 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,000 I had with Doc 221 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,000 It is a shame but not 222 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,000 Because well let me put it this way 223 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000 I agree with him 224 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,000 That programming music 225 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,000 Very much like a DJ does in the clubs 226 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,000 A DJ 227 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,000 It's an art form 228 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000 And that's the art form I grew up with 229 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,000 The art form I was schooled in 230 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,000 It's creating a vibe and of course that works very well with radio 231 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Because your audience is usually 232 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,000 And a local geographical level 233 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,000 So that's what I grew up with terrestrial radio 234 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,000 So it's raining outside 235 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,000 You play different records and when it's very sunny 236 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Outside stuff like that 237 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,000 But all these themes and the order that the records appear 238 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,000 It's a very very very effective way 239 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,000 Of creating great entertainment 240 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,000 And I just believe that the music industry 241 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Is a shooting themselves in the foot 242 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,000 For doing this, for making it 243 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,000 Virtually unaffordable 244 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,000 And I think it's just dumb 245 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,000 And if anything 246 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,000 I think that 247 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,000 They are 248 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Putting this type of pricing into effect 249 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,000 Are 250 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,000 Proving a huge disservice to society in general 251 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Because you should be able to hear 252 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,000 This music 253 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,000 It is art, it should you know web radio 254 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,000 In effect maybe it should be treated like a museum 255 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,000 And maybe there should be some curator rules and stuff like that 256 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,000 You know the shit that's in a museum 257 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,000 Is more valuable than the music we're talking about 258 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,000 I'm not saying that one is better than the other 259 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,000 But you know there's a higher price tag on most pieces of art 260 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,000 Than there is on MP3 files of songs 261 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,000 But I think that music 262 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,000 The soundtrack to our lives because that is one thing that 263 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Really resonated for both of us 264 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,000 It's important, it's important that that gets passed on 265 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,000 It's exposure and if terrestrial radio 266 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,000 Doesn't have the bandwidth 267 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Literally to provide all of this music 268 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,000 And web radio is one way to do that 269 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Then I do agree that it's very very important 270 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,000 For our 271 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,000 From a social standpoint 272 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,000 Or from a cultural standpoint 273 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Not from a money-making standpoint 274 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 No, I don't know if that's going to help 275 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,000 If we can do anything about it or not 276 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,000 So be it 277 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,000 So we did that one 278 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Oh, I got this 279 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,000 A lot of people sent me this link 280 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,000 This is fantastic 281 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,000 Yeah, I'm going to read this is from the BBC 282 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,000 Let me just go to the email 283 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,000 Send this to me Matt 284 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Oh 285 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,000 You're going to love this if you hadn't heard about this 286 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,000 This is nuts 287 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Singer Cheryl Crow has said 288 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,000 A ban on using too much toilet papers 289 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,000 Should be introduced to help the environment 290 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Crow has suggested using only one square per restroom visit 291 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,000 Except, of course, on those pesky occasions 292 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,000 Where two or three would be required 293 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,000 While clearly she doesn't shit like a guy 294 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,000 Are you crazy? 295 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,000 Now 296 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,000 45-year-old who made the comments on her website 297 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,000 Has just toward the US and a biodiesel powered bus to raise awareness about climate change 298 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:22,000 I am all for the biodiesel bus 299 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,000 That's cool baby 300 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,000 But 301 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,000 This thing about the toilet paper 302 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,000 Hmm 303 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:35,000 I propose a limitation be put on how many squares of toilet paper can be used in any one sitting 304 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,000 This is 305 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,000 You know, I met Cheryl Crow when she had 306 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,000 Completely blown out hair 307 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,000 And she was singing backups for Michael Jackson on the 308 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,000 I was at the bad tour 309 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,000 I was a very different girl back then 310 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,000 She was one of the band 311 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,000 She was one of the guys 312 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000 She was burping and farting 313 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,000 And she was funny and she was energetic 314 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,000 And she was 315 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,000 Not a girl who would restrict my paper usage 316 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,000 How am I outraged by this? 317 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,000 She's got more brilliant ideas 318 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,000 She's designed a clothing line with what she calls a dining sleeve 319 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,000 The sleeve is detachable 320 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:23,000 And can be replaced with another dining sleeve after the diner has used it to wipe his or her mouth 321 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,000 So I guess instead of using paper napkins 322 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,000 Actually, I think that's a pretty good idea 323 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:35,000 Except why don't we use I mean we can reuse the sleeve after we've wiped off our mouth 324 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,000 We can use the sleeve to wipe off our ass 325 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Of course the entire reason I even mentioned the story so I can play the jingle 326 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,000 Let's find a chair 327 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,000 We got some great savants on the show today 328 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Because we'll be talking about a very hot news story 329 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,000 Which has actually been alive for about a week now 330 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,000 I can't believe we're still talking about it 331 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,000 This is the voice mail that Alan Baldwin left for his 11 year old daughter 332 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,000 And I gotta tell you 333 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,000 The reason why I wanted to bring it up on the Charlie is because 334 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,000 It's a little sick of mainstream media and the way they're trying 335 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,000 I'm like are all these parents so fucking great 336 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,000 All these parents or oh it never you 337 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,000 You're the parent and you should never talk to your child like that 338 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,000 And I gotta tell you I just it doesn't feel like 339 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000 Reality is being represented 340 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,000 Regarding the story 341 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,000 Let me say it's a travesty this whole thing is taking place 342 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,000 You know for a family to have to go through this that sucks 343 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,000 So I've got some some cool people 344 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,000 And major savants to talk about it 345 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,000 But first let's revisit the voice mail just briefly 346 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,000 You know 347 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,000 You know 348 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,000 You know 349 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,000 You know 350 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000 You know 351 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,000 You know 352 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000 You know 353 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,000 You know 354 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,000 You know 355 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,000 You know 356 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,000 You know 357 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,000 You know 358 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,000 You know 359 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,000 You know 360 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:55,000 I 361 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,000 Know 362 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,000 You know 363 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,000 Before 364 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:37,000 to me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, 365 00:20:37,000 --> 00:21:07,000 you know me, you know me, you know me, you know you, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know you, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know me, you know you, know me, you know 366 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:12,520 top's. They truly are savants of the human psyche and I thought the perfect 367 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:18,080 people to call today about this. Welcome Robin and Suzanne, Maiden of 368 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,800 Insight Works to the Daily Source Code. How are you guys doing? 369 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,600 We are doing great. Very well. Thank you. I'm so glad you guys could make it. I 370 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,000 appreciate you staying up late. You being on East Coast time, but you guys have 371 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:38,200 helped me in the past with, I said the human psyche, which of course is, that's a 372 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:43,160 very, very broad description of what you guys talk about. You want just for the 373 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,640 people who aren't familiar with Insight Works, just give us a brief synopsis of 374 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:53,200 the show and what you guys do on that? Well, we talk about Insight Insight 375 00:21:53,200 --> 00:22:01,840 into ourselves and we miss fellow at Horrible in our website name. That's INSYTWORKS.com 376 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:07,720 and I thought it's like we're at the pocho so you can get it there. But we 377 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:13,400 talk about depth psychology. Suzanne is an active therapist and she's gone to 378 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:18,080 the Pacifica Graduate Institute and there's a lot of union work and depth 379 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:23,440 psychology and I'm just a lay person. I've done a lot of reading and we on 380 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:29,840 our show talk about how people function and using the depth psychology approach 381 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,840 and the things that are in the unconscious, how that manifests in the physical world. 382 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:40,440 So, when you hear this voicemail from Alec Baldwin, what was your initial reaction 383 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,720 the first time you heard? I don't know if you were together when you heard it 384 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:49,160 you heard it separately. What was your first reaction? Oh my god, I'd cringe. I just 385 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:55,720 cringe. Oh, me too. We have a 10 year old and I just couldn't believe it. Yeah, I mean, 386 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,880 you know, and lightly speaking, and when I say lightly, I just mean some of basic 387 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:07,400 therapeutic standpoint. I mean, it's clearly emotional abuse. There's no 388 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:13,120 question about that. But I think what you're looking at at a maybe something a 389 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:17,080 little bit deeper than that, like I'm guessing, and the that be right, is to 390 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:23,120 why he would do something like that. Well, here's my thought. What really struck 391 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:29,320 me, and Patricia and I heard it together, and I talked with a couple of my, I don't 392 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:37,560 really have any friends. So acquaintances about it. And I have to admit that in contrast 393 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:44,440 to everything I saw and actually your reactions as well on television, if you kind of, if 394 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:50,680 I look a little bit through the words in the tone, I understood him. And I think that 395 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:57,280 I too have been at times certainly that pissed off at my daughter who now is almost 396 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:04,880 17. You can't say anything she kicked my ass. But I certainly would have to say that 397 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:13,480 I too have in the past been guilty of speaking certainly in that type of tone, have been 398 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:19,280 that angry, and of course that anger probably was channeled from somewhere else at that 399 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,960 moment, and I think that's what's what's probably happening here as well. But everyone 400 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,640 seems so incredibly shocked, and I'm thinking myself, have the people that I'm seeing 401 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,280 respond to this, never ever spoken to their children like this, because I think I have to admit 402 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,640 that I have, and I've heard other parents say this as well. 403 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:45,240 Okay, and absolutely, and I guess that distinguishing factor is that, and I too have a child, 404 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:50,720 we have a little boy, and he's actually close to Alex Baldwin's daughter's age, and 405 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,920 have I lost my temper with my kid? Oh my gosh, have I raised my voice of my screen? Of 406 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:03,240 course. But the distinguishing factor is, have you called your kid really ugly names? Have 407 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,400 you been really threatening and intimidating? I don't mean threatening like, if you don't 408 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,680 do a, you're going to be grounded, or privileges are going to be taken away. That's 409 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:17,600 different. But the distinguishing factor is that he's like threatening her. He's like, 410 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,080 I'm going to come out there and blah, blah, straighten you out. 411 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,680 Yeah, but is that wrong? I mean, well, Suzanne, he was basically saying, I'm going to 412 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,560 get on a plane. The way I heard it, and maybe I'm just hearing it differently, is I'm 413 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:34,360 going to stop my life and come and straighten you out because you need help. And I've 414 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:38,680 been through this, by the way, with my daughter, the whole phone thing, where, you know, 415 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:44,240 they reject the call or it's, you know, everyone can, my daughter's on the phone all day. 416 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,000 Everybody can reach her, but when I call, I always get voicemail. You know, it's like, what's 417 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,080 going on with that? And it felt to me like I was saying, I'm going to take, I'm going to 418 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,280 stop everything. I have to fix you, which is, of course, dads are like that. You know, 419 00:25:55,280 --> 00:26:00,520 so kids broken, got to go fix the kid. It felt to me, it, to me, it didn't feel like, 420 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,560 like it was going to go kick her ass or anything, but, you know, sit her down and have 421 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,480 to talk. Okay, but he didn't say we're going to sit down and talk about this. He called 422 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:16,800 her a rude, thoughtful, little pig who had no brain. Yeah. Okay, that's one of the things 423 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:22,800 that I took out of this was, yes, I get as angry and I have gotten as angry in this 424 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:28,680 frustrated sounds like you have. And Alex, you know, Alex Baldwin has, but I always go 425 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:34,160 after the behavior, I don't go after the person. And in this case, Alex went right 426 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:41,040 after the person. He called his daughter names. And I think that's very different than talking 427 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:48,080 about the behavior. And the next level that I'd like to take this to is sort of into what 428 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:54,720 did this trigger in him? Because it's obviously, you know, a phone call getting rejected, 429 00:26:54,720 --> 00:27:00,400 like you've had done, that, that doesn't merit the response. And that's what people always 430 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:07,840 get surprised about is how people react to a seemingly small trigger. And that's where 431 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,880 Suzanne and I say it's triggering something in the unconscious. Yeah, this is deep for him. 432 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:19,040 This is very deep. This is triggering, you know, this type of rage, rage is old anger. When somebody 433 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:24,160 is fat out of control, rage, that's not new stuff. That's not the event itself. You got to look 434 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,880 back historically. What has gone on with him in the past? I mean, just some of the words that he 435 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,920 used, you know, he was obviously very angry. He was very frustrated. He was insulted. He can say 436 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:40,800 it has to be the last time he humiliated me. Right. So he felt humiliated and he felt attacked. 437 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:48,240 Now, were those things really, you know, appropriate for having his daughter reject a phone call? 438 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:55,840 You know, I think it's from a much deeper wounding from a long time ago, or maybe just a 439 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:02,560 collection of a lot of experience where he has been humiliated or attacked or insulted. 440 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:09,520 We're letting so out of control in his life that he's asking kind of his daughter to put him 441 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,920 that responsibility almost on her and saying, I'm going to come out there and straighten you out. 442 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,880 And this is going to be the last goddamn time he humiliated me. What else was going on in his life? 443 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:25,360 That feels so out of control. So let me just say a couple of things about that. 444 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,680 First of all, I got the distinct feeling that this was not the first time that she hadn't picked 445 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:35,520 up the phone by prior arrangement or something like that. So that could stem some of the frustration 446 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:43,280 could stem from that. I will say one other thing, as it comes to family behavior, our family, 447 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,280 particularly my daughter and I, and Patricia is, of course, completely opposite, which is why 448 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:56,080 our marriage has worked for 20 years. But we're very, we all three of us are very emotional people, 449 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,880 and we talk with a lot of motion, you know, where artists, performers, we're creative people. 450 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,920 And I think I've said much worse things than, you know, I've never called my daughter stupid, 451 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,960 because she's not stupid. But have I said things worse than, you know, then you're a pig? Yeah, 452 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:21,600 probably. And I think that does come down to what, you know, a family, you know, every family has 453 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,720 its own rules, its own behavioral patterns that are acceptable to them and how they speak to each other. 454 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,120 It may not sound nice on the outside, but, you know, I've seen families that have been together 455 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:38,000 very happily who just say the most terrific things to each other. Well, there are definitely 456 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:44,160 standards within the family, you know, that the people operate under, that to the outside world, 457 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:50,560 have different standards. So, you know, I can agree with you on that. So, and you guys, you know, 458 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,760 have a child as well, so that that makes it a lot easier to talk about this. What do you think 459 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,360 if, well, two things, I guess. First of all, what is a better way to approach these type of 460 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:09,200 situations with your kids, you know, and I'm not a big believer in huge kumbaya. I have to say, 461 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:15,120 write up front, you know, like, come on, let's sit down, let's talk about, you know, how, how can you 462 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:20,080 do that? And perhaps the telephone is just not the right instrument in general. And what should 463 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,120 Alec Baldwin do at this point? Really for the relationship with his daughter and forget everything else, 464 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:34,000 because obviously his life may be very together, but yeah, does he have some problems with his family? 465 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:41,680 Yeah, obviously. So, on those two topics, you know, what, what comparisons do to not fall into 466 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:48,160 this trap, which I obviously is not going to work, you know, I heard it, I was like, well, you know, 467 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,800 the kid is not going to respond to this. What can you do and what should Alec Baldwin do in 468 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:58,400 his particular case? Wow, well, let's take a second question first, which is what he, 469 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:05,760 where should he kind of go from here? And I think the first step is just to really talk the heck out of 470 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,760 this, with his, with his daughter. But I don't think that should be, I think there should be some 471 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:17,040 supervision there. What that looks like? I'm not really quite sure. Should there be a therapist? I don't 472 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:23,520 think it can be in his ex-wife, you know, that's obviously a pretty, um, it's a non-starter, 473 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:31,040 is what I'd call it. Yeah, yeah, that's a show stopper right there. So he really needs to just keep 474 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,600 communications. A third grade, some sense when we work with families like this, we're one 475 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:42,320 parent is more volatile. We could just email. Really? You know, that's just email each other for 476 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,760 right now, instead of doing the comb-by-offing, because the kid might be too resistant to sitting 477 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:53,600 actually down with him and talking about it. It might be safer to just do the email thing, 478 00:31:53,600 --> 00:32:01,520 so that might be a place to start. Interesting. Then how to respond? Yeah, that's one thing that, 479 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:08,320 again, we recommend, um, in this type of situation. And then how do you even present from getting 480 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,920 there? But, you know, how did he get where he is right now? He hasn't checked his own stuff. He's 481 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:21,200 not a control. That's the thing that I go back to and in, in trying to fix the relationship with 482 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:28,880 the daughter or how do you communicate with the child at this point? Um, I think that's, that's 483 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,880 even trying to figure out a way to do that is almost a band aid to the, to the bigger problem. 484 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:38,240 Right, because Robin, this really, this is more of a symptom of a problem. His daughter is 485 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:45,840 not, the daughter's almost an honest issue. Right. I mean, you say, well, maybe with, you know, 486 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,840 Christina, you've tried to call her, and again, she's readable to all of her friends, and then when you 487 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:56,320 try to call, she's not available. Um, and he had kids do that kind of stuff, of course they do. 488 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:02,880 And, you know, is there a problem there with that? Well, yeah, maybe okay, but God, his rage was just, 489 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:10,960 so to me, it was very disproportionate to the event. And I, I go back to, she's in and I always 490 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:16,400 talk about things and try and look at the world in a symbolic fashion. And so, you know, what was 491 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:22,640 the trigger in this? It was the daughter not answering the phone. So, symbolically, maybe, you know, 492 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:33,120 Alec is not getting his phone calls answered, you know, kind of a, in a, in a metaphorical way, 493 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:39,920 that, that, here he's trying to, you know, maybe get another, you know, another show, another movie, 494 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:45,440 another whatever, and he's putting this stuff out there, and nobody's calling him. So, that's a 495 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:51,440 very, that's a great analysis. I like that. Well, but it, I think in a very symbolic fashion, 496 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:59,840 maybe this was just a trigger that he's been waiting for the, not coming. Nobody's answering 497 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:06,320 and he just, and then he calls a daughter who, who maybe has done this also in the past, but maybe 498 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:14,000 he just, you know, it just comes to a head and it's triggering a reaction from all these other things. 499 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:20,080 And we're not, we're not privy in the news and everything else to all the details of his 500 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,760 environment of what's going on in his life. Obviously, there's a part of him that wants to control 501 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,120 his daughter. And that wants to be heard. Yeah. Pick up the phone, damn it. Yeah, you know, 502 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,080 I think you guys really, really nailed it with that one because I catch myself a lot. 503 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:42,320 I'll be, you know, busy, I'm doing stuff, you know, it can be stupid as like I'm trying to 504 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,880 configure something and it's not working and then someone will come upstairs, ask something 505 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:52,320 very benign and I'll snap, you know, and then, and now that I'm a little bit older, I actually 506 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:58,160 catch myself and say, oh, you know, sorry, I was just a complete asshole. That was not directed to 507 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:03,120 you, you know, and so I and Patricia really taught me a lot about that too because, you know, she 508 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,520 just being senior in years, you know, what already recognized this and she could just easily 509 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:14,240 shrug her shoulders instead of letting it explode into an event. But I think you're absolutely right 510 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:20,160 that, you know, it's completely symbolic and we don't know any of the backstory. And if anything, 511 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:26,400 I think the the Travis de Hairs that this, you know, that this recording was released completely out of 512 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:32,400 context, I think that's, that's really the most damaging thing that was done here is just to, 513 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,200 you know, to have this on public display to me seems like a really bad thing. 514 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:43,280 Right. And it's really, it is so easy to take it out of context because there's just so many things 515 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:49,040 we don't know. I mean, we can insert things and look at it, you know, symbolically that, 516 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,960 all right. So the the only thing I guess I just want to go out of this is that I personally don't 517 00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:01,360 think that Alec Baldwin is a bad parent and, and it kind of bugged me, I have to say, you know, 518 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,240 just seeing all the news reports and it's, you know, and man on the street interviews and, oh, 519 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:10,640 you know, how the hell could he ever talk to his child like that and I'm like, well, you know, 520 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,720 I don't think he's a bad guy, but yes, I think he did on the head there. 521 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:19,680 Right, he's a bad parent and he and he and he and his daughter in other ways might have a 522 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:26,320 really strong bond and a great relationship. Well, I sure hope they do. 523 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:34,400 Yeah, I do too. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, guys. Well, listen, I really appreciate you weighing in on this 524 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,720 and and hopefully I can call on you more in the future when we have to deal with the 525 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:47,360 issues of the psyche. And everybody's my gosh. Everybody's my gosh. Yes, because there's lots of 526 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:53,520 it floating around. Yeah, including my own. Yeah, including my own. Right on, right on, we've got 527 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,960 baggage and we're proud of it. Damn it. He's hands with Louis Vuitton. 528 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,040 Exactly. I'm black and white. Hey, man, to me, it's indestructible, you know, 529 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:13,680 can't break my luck. All right. Well, guys, thanks so much. Insideworks.com is the website for the show. 530 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,480 It's really a great show. So make sure you check it out and Robin tailwinds my friend. 531 00:37:23,750 --> 00:40:07,040 [ Music ] 532 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:23,480 Hey, that's some high-class ship right here, man. 533 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:29,080 And it's pot safe, Angelic Kigio featuring Peter Gabriel. 534 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,080 And Salala. 535 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,680 Ah, that's awesome, man. 536 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:32,680 Just know that. 537 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,680 Nice, is that? 538 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,320 On the bio, on the pot safe music network, Angelic Kigio, the four-time Grammy-nominated, much celebrated 539 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:45,360 singer composer and performer, began in the Beninese port village of Cotonu, where she 540 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,160 launched a career at the age of six, the political turmoil in our country, led her to reload 541 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,360 relocate to Paris, the capital of world music. 542 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,360 Awesome. 543 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,920 That's really, that was really, really nice. 544 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:02,440 Hey, wasn't it nice to hear Robin and Susanne, I was listening to them speak together. 545 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,000 And they really, what a pair, man. 546 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,480 They fill each other in, and they're almost like a Bob and Ted news team. 547 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,920 Well, Robin, let me tell you, and yes indeed, Susanne, but it's natural, I really like that 548 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:12,920 a lot. 549 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,520 All right, so outside is beautiful right now. 550 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:26,520 The sun is completely set, so the city is in that orangeish glow, and like a blue dark sky, 551 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:32,240 it's fantastic, and just perfect for me to shut down the show and go to something else with 552 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:33,240 my life. 553 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:38,560 So thank you very much for listening, I will be back tomorrow, of course. 554 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,720 We'll find another savant to chat with in our continuing series, as I am the Sultan of the 555 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:43,720 savants. 556 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:47,160 DailySourceCode.com for links to everything discussed in the show notes today. 557 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,360 And of course, Adam at podshow.com. 558 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,360 Thank you so much for listening, everybody, bye-bye. 559 00:41:51,360 --> 00:42:00,520 Another podshow podcast, stick it in your ear. 560 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,720 The best and the brightest served up daily by the sharpest minds in content delivery, 561 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:07,560 podshow, and linelight.