1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,600 I can't throw this, I can't. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,600 Hort City PD, the number one online police drama series, is now available. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,800 Subscribe now and get the entire first season on your iPod. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,000 And get ready for an action-packed season 2 coming July 2007. 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,000 Hort City.podshow.com. 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,400 You know, we'll be now to hear on the prairie ain't easy. 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,600 A lot of minds after cookie finishes. 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,800 Mixing us up some grubwee. 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,800 Consider how to camp fire and tell stories. 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,200 Maybe have a little camaraderie. 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:41,600 Then we snuggle up in Spoon and listen to the DSC, 637. 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,800 It's awful nice here, broke back mountain. 13 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,800 Now that I'm curious, just put this in the mood. 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,800 The lower here's levy, you can borrow one of my headphones. 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,800 With $60 million worth of airplane strapped to my ass. 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,800 Then the next generation radio content in my ears. 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,800 I like to think I'm flying into the future. 18 00:01:08,750 --> 00:04:37,800 [ Music ] 19 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:38,800 Come on, baby, watch out, yeah 20 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,800 There's just days that are perfect to roll monk out 21 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,800 Pod people taking over because the revolution has progressed 22 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,800 Yet another step, my friends, that's right 23 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,800 Mainstream media coming apart at the scenes in the United Kingdom 24 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,800 And it's going to spread worldwide 25 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,800 And we can start watching it as of today 26 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,800 Sit back and enjoy this ride 27 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,800 Daily source code episode number 637 coming to you 28 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,800 From the affluent suburb of Surrey 29 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,800 No one is killed for a G-town west side in the curry manner 30 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,800 And what a perfect day, I'm so excited to talk to you about 31 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,800 What's going on over here? 32 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,800 I have alluded about it, alluded to it for the past couple days 33 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,800 This fits in perfectly with the conversation about the society of the spectral goal 34 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,800 Because the BBC is falling apart 35 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,800 Not just the BBC, but all media now is under huge scrutiny here in the United Kingdom 36 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,800 And this is not just a ding in the armor of mainstream media 37 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,800 It is a huge chunk 38 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,800 There's a crack, we can stick our, the limit in there 39 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,800 And start making them bleed and I'm counting on you to help 40 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,800 Let me explain what's going on why I'm so excited today 41 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,800 First of all, yesterday a report came out from the BBC 42 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,800 I've been keeping up to speed on what's been going on 43 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,800 Is that all of these practices within television at the BBC 44 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,800 Which is publicly funded 45 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,800 Not just through some tax budget 46 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,800 But actually by paying every individual household that has at least 47 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,800 One television or radio has to pay about $300 a year 48 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,800 For the right to actually use that 49 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,800 Because we're presuming that you're going to watch BBC 50 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,800 The BBC is actually a trust 51 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,800 It's called the BBC Trust 52 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,800 Trust being the big word here 53 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,800 Because we pay this money 54 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,800 We trust the BBC to come up with fair 55 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,800 And oh boy, how weird does that sound? 56 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,800 And balanced programming that is not driven by commercial interests 57 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,800 Now of course we're not crazy 58 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,800 We all know particularly with government run 59 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,800 Mainstream media that there's a lot of politics involved 60 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,800 Their funding depends on how the politics are played 61 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,800 Report today came out that says in the run up to the invasion of Iraq 62 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,800 Tony Blair met with Rupert Murdoch a number of times 63 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,800 In three days running in three day run up to the actual invasion 64 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,800 Hmm, I wonder why 65 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:25,800 Okay, so this all started with this documentary about the queen 66 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,800 Which has not even been released yet 67 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,800 But the trailer was proven to be false 68 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,800 The queen was outraged, the palace, the royal family 69 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,800 Because they edited things out of sequence to kind of sex up 70 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,800 The queen's reaction to Annie Lieber was asking her to take off her 71 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,800 It wasn't even a crown her tiara for a photo shoot 72 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,800 And showed her storming off which was actually her walking into the photos 73 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,800 And now things are just bubbling up to the top 74 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,800 The BBC is going through a wide scale investigation 75 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,800 Here's just part of the report that came out yesterday 76 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,800 Here's some of the falsehoods, lies, trickery and cheating 77 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,800 That the BBC has by their own admission has taken part in 78 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,800 Comic Relief March 16th, 2007 BBC won 79 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,800 In a section of this appeal program 80 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,800 Viewers were invited to donate money to comic relief 81 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,800 That by calling in they could win prizes that belonged to a famous couple 82 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,800 The first two callers taken on air gave incorrect answers 83 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,800 The other waiting callers were lost 84 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,800 And a third caller was heard on air successfully answered the question 85 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,800 This caller wasn't fact not a viewer 86 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,800 But a member of the production team 87 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:39,800 TMI September 16th, 2006 on BBC 2 and on CBC is a kids program 88 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,800 Following a production problem with a live competition 89 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,800 Viewers were led to believe that a member of the audience was involved 90 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,800 And won a competition open to the public 91 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,800 In fact, the caller was a member of the production team 92 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,800 The program team failed to seek proper advice before running the competition 93 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,800 Sports relief July 15th, 2006 BBC won 94 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,800 Viewers were led to believe that a member of the public was involved in 95 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,800 And won a competition open to the public 96 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,800 Whereas the caller was in fact, you guessed it, a member of the production team 97 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,800 Children in need November 18th, 2005 BBC won Scotland 98 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,800 In a segment called Raven 99 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,800 The island in BBC Children's need appeals 100 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,800 Scotland broadcast in 2005 Viewers were led to believe that a phone 101 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,800 In competition opened to the audience had been won by a viewer 102 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,800 In fact due to a technical mistake calls from the public did not get through 103 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,800 And the name of a fictitious winner was read on the air 104 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,800 The Liz Kershaw Show 2005 on BBC 6 music in pre-recorded programs 105 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,800 Presented as if they were live 106 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,800 A competition was announced that appeared to feature genuine listeners 107 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,800 Foning into take part one of whom could win a prize on air 108 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,800 In fact, in recorded programs there were no competitions or prizes 109 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,800 And all of the callers were actually members of the production team and their friends 110 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,800 A new producer took over the program in December 2006 111 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,800 And stopped the practices as a matter of priority 112 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,800 Finally, white label, world service, BBC 113 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:08,800 Until April 2006 a weekly pop music preview program on the English service 114 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,800 On more than one occasion a fake winner was announced for the CD prize 115 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,800 When no winning entries had actually been received 116 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,800 Gee 117 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,800 And you think that's all you think that's it 118 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,800 You think that's all that's been fake 119 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,800 Let me tell you what happens in television 120 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,800 And then we're going to listen to some beautiful words from David Cox 121 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,800 Long time television producer here in the United Kingdom 122 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,800 Who was on News Night last night 123 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,800 I can't tell you how excited I am about this 124 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,800 We are going to bring these suckers down 125 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,800 Television is inherently a trickery medium 126 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,800 It was designed that way 127 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,800 It was magic when it first came out 128 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:54,800 I'm going to tell you just a couple of examples of how I involved in television production 129 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,800 Have deceived the public on purpose 130 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,800 Not for financial benefit or gain 131 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,800 Well, that depends on how you look at it 132 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:02,800 Because of course 133 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,800 If you tell someone that you have a satellite interview with Janet Jackson 134 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,800 And you promote that so that people will come and watch your show 135 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,800 Therefore your ratings go up 136 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,800 That of course can be seen this 100% deception 137 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,800 That I did that several times 138 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,800 This is exactly what happened in the 80s 139 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,800 When I was in the Netherlands working for a public broadcaster 140 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,800 The organization was Veronica Broadcasting 141 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,800 I did a program called Countdown 142 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,800 And we would receive electronic press kits 143 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,800 From record companies for their major artists 144 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,800 So when Janet Jackson came out with her album 145 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,800 I think that was the one that had what if you'd done from me lately on it 146 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:40,800 Huge album 147 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,800 Janet Jackson you could not get a bigger star 148 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,800 In fact we couldn't get Janet Jackson in the studio 149 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,800 But the electronic press kit really consisted of an interview with Janet 150 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,800 So questions would be asked off screen 151 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,800 And Janet would be answering those questions 152 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,800 And so what we would do is we would and this was sent out for this very purpose by the way 153 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,800 To take sound bites from or what we did 154 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,800 And I had a big part in this because I didn't concoct it 155 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,800 But I did completely execute it 156 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,800 I looked at all the answers that Janet gave 157 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,800 I wrote up questions which of course were similar to the questions asked 158 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,800 But not the exact questions 159 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,800 So already right there I was going over the line 160 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,800 I think I was not asking the exact questions she was responding to 161 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:29,800 We edited a tape about three and a half minutes of Janet's answers 162 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,800 And black spaces in between 163 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,800 And I timed my questioning to that tape 164 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,800 So imagine here's what happened 165 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,800 I would sit there and say okay we got Janet Jackson on the side 166 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,800 Like while I was saying that they would show a frame of that tape 167 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,800 So it looked like we literally put in fuzzy stuff 168 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,800 Like the satellite was coming in and out 169 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,800 Of course this was the 80s when a satellite interview was still a huge deal 170 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,800 We did not have the internet at the time 171 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,800 Or at least we weren't using it the way we used it today 172 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,800 And then I knew the cues I knew would ask the question 173 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,800 Janet's answer would come I wish I could find this tape 174 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,800 Or copy of it because you'll see that I probably even through in a 175 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,800 Funny question to which she gave a totally different response 176 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,800 Just to really sex up the whole interview 177 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,800 Complete utter deception my god 178 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,800 This was a music program on television 179 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,800 Where the artists came on and pretended to actually perform 180 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,800 They had their guitars with actual cords plugged in 181 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,800 Microphones with cords plugged in plugged in 182 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:31,800 And nothing on the other end 183 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,800 There was no mixing board there were lip syncing entirely 184 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,800 It was there was just mining to the track 185 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,800 That of course is complete deception 186 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,800 Now it's not like we don't know that anymore 187 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,800 But it is it's inherent to the medium 188 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:49,800 Why? Well, it's very expensive to get a great sound for a band live 189 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,800 Particularly if you have a 45-minute program once a week 190 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,800 And you have to shove 809 artists onto a stage 191 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,800 I mean it's a huge cost huge production 192 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,800 Absolutely no budget 193 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,800 And of course the artists and the record companies 194 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,800 Complicit in this whole affair because they stood up there and they faked right along 195 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,800 And this is just one tiny example 196 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,800 I can give you millions of examples of how television 197 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,800 Deceives the viewers all the time 198 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,800 Please go take the XNTV experiment 199 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,800 You will not be disappointed it will open your eyes 200 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,800 It will give you a complete red pill moment 201 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,800 I guarantee you 202 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,800 But right now we're starting to 203 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,800 Collectively lick the red pill 204 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,800 We're starting to figure out what's going on 205 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,800 And there's a number of reasons for it 206 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,800 And I think that if we all 207 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,800 Really focus on this 208 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,800 And we start the wave roll in here because the BBC 209 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,800 You know it's like 210 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:48,800 All right the curtain is open 211 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,800 The underpants are down 212 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,800 The bear bottom of the trust is showing 213 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,800 This is going on everywhere 214 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,800 It's going on in commercial television 215 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,800 You don't hear a lot of people weighing in 216 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,800 About this deception of viewers in the United States 217 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:03,800 I'm telling you 218 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,800 Network executives are pooping their pants right now 219 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:07,800 They don't want any of this 220 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,800 Eki stuff spilling over to them in the US 221 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,800 We have to do it 222 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:12,800 We have to expose them 223 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,800 It's part of our revolution 224 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,800 Now not saying that there's no deception going on 225 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,800 In online television and radio and podcast 226 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,800 Independent media 227 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:24,800 I can only speak for myself 228 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:25,800 You know I'm full of shit 229 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,800 You know what my mode of stars 230 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:28,800 You know what I want to do 231 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:29,800 I'm not trying to hide behind anything 232 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,800 And I'm not taking money from you on an annual basis 233 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,800 Pretending that I'm giving you fair and balanced television 234 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:37,800 Production 235 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,800 So this is really coming to a head 236 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,800 Last night on News Night a big news talk program 237 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,800 Here in the United Kingdom 238 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,800 Of course they had a lengthy interview with 239 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,800 The chairman of the trust 240 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,800 Of the BBC who was 241 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,800 His position of course is being questioned 242 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,800 Should he resign or not 243 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,800 And then they go into a conversation 244 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,800 A live on air 245 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:01,800 Luckily 246 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,800 Between Michael Gray 247 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:04,800 Who used to be 248 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,800 The keeper of the trust of the BBC 249 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,800 And is now the head of ITV 250 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,800 In the UK commercial 251 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,800 Commercial network of stations 252 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:13,800 Of channels 253 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,800 And David Cox 254 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,800 Long time television producer 255 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,800 Who pulls no punches 256 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:20,800 And says some beautiful things 257 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:21,800 So beautiful 258 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,800 I wanted to just play him for you today 259 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:25,800 It's about eight minutes 260 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,800 And total I'm going to give commentary 261 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,800 And I'm going to show you 262 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:30,800 What's happening 263 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,800 With a little bit of Mark Thompson 264 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,800 Talking about just the tail end of his interview 265 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,800 Talking about the trust of the BBC 266 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,800 And what he's trying to do to contain this 267 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:39,800 But trust me 268 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,800 These guys are trying to cover up everything 269 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,800 Because every single program 270 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:44,800 Everything you see 271 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,800 Has deception and trickery in it 272 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,800 Because it's part of the medium 273 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,800 I think the way to judge me 274 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,800 The way to judge 275 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,800 The whole leadership of the BBC 276 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,800 Is how we react to those mistakes 277 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,800 And whether if we discover weaknesses in our system 278 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,800 We put things in place to reduce 279 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,800 Or eliminate those weaknesses entirely 280 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,800 That's what we're going to do 281 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,800 And I will be judged 282 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,800 The BBC Trust have made it very clear today 283 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:12,800 To me today 284 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:13,800 That they will judge me 285 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:14,800 And they'll judge my colleagues 286 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,800 On our success 287 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:17,800 In 288 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,800 Taking this utterly seriously 289 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,800 Which I assure you we do 290 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,800 But then over the coming months 291 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,800 Everything all the steps in place to make sure 292 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,800 That these instances 293 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:28,800 Either never happen again 294 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,800 Which of course is the ideal 295 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,800 Or that the chances of them happening 296 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,800 Is reduced to absolutely a small 297 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:35,800 Is it humanly can be? 298 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,800 Do you accept that the 299 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,800 The BBC license fee is based 300 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,800 On trust from the British public 301 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:42,800 And tonight many people 302 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,800 Will be saying why should we trust the BBC 303 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,800 Great, great, great question 304 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,800 Everyone who pays the license fee 305 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,800 Within the sound of my voice 306 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,800 You should be prepared to really cause a 307 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,800 Shitstorm about this 308 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,800 I believe that in these instances 309 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,800 We let the public down very badly 310 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,800 What I would say is I hope that the public 311 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,800 Would also recognise 312 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:04,800 That what we've done today 313 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:05,800 And what we've done over the last few months 314 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,800 Is trying to be very open and honest 315 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:08,800 About this issue 316 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,800 Both about the fact that it exists 317 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:11,800 To explore 318 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,800 I think more thoroughly than in the other blockers 319 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,800 I'm aware of exactly how 320 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,800 How to extend this problem 321 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,800 Is how widespread it is 322 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,800 And also that we are totally committed 323 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,800 To putting this right 324 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:24,800 And in this respect 325 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,800 Fully winning back their confidence 326 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,800 Thank you very much 327 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:29,800 Okay, okay 328 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,800 So 329 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,800 Cover up 330 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:34,800 Cover up 331 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,800 They sure they've been totally open 332 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,800 That was the only list that is available 333 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,800 The list that I just read to you 334 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,800 And that's over a course of like 335 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,800 A year and a two years 336 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,800 They come up with seven instances 337 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,800 Of some deception going on 338 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,800 And that's just about 339 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,800 Staff members stepping in 340 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,800 To cover up because their competition 341 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,800 Sucked or didn't work or broke or they couldn't find 342 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,800 Any sexy winners 343 00:18:58,800 --> 00:18:59,800 Oh man, let me tell you 344 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:00,800 On the radio 345 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:01,800 Huh 346 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,800 How many Z100 in New York 347 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:04,800 W HTZ 348 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:05,800 Shut up 349 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,800 I'm in the middle of a fantastic thing here 350 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,800 W HTZ in New York 351 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,800 Number one radio station 352 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,800 When I did a weekend shift there 353 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:14,800 During the 354 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,800 On was at mid 90s 355 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,800 No, early 90s I think 356 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,800 Yeah, late 80s early 90s 357 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,800 We would have 358 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:22,800 Contest winners 359 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,800 And here's how it would work 360 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,800 It would be collar 100 361 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:27,800 Right now 362 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:28,800 On the toll free lines 363 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,800 One hundred two four two zero 364 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,800 One hundred two four two zero 365 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,800 One hundred I even remember the number 366 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:35,800 If you can if you can believe that 367 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,800 It's a clear channel station by the way clear channel 368 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:39,800 Those guys 369 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,800 And and the instruction 370 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,800 To the phone ops 371 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:45,800 Who literally would sit there and go 372 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:46,800 Z100 or call number ones 373 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:47,800 Z100 or call number two 374 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:48,800 And they would go that way 375 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:49,800 Up until they hit one hundred 376 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,800 But they would never say one hundred 377 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:52,800 At ninety nine 378 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:53,800 They would wait 379 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:54,800 And the collar that called in 380 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,800 They would they were trained to listen to their voice 381 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,800 This person had to be someone who was going to be excited 382 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,800 Sometimes the DJ would even say 383 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,800 Make sure it's a girl 384 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,800 And if the collar was collar number one hundred 385 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,800 Was not did not fit the profile 386 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,800 The phone op was trained to say 387 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,800 Z100 or call number ninety nine 388 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:14,800 Try again later 389 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,800 So you might have five or six people who are call number ninety nine 390 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:18,800 Until they found one that fit the profile 391 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,800 That person was then collar one hundred 392 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,800 Complete deception this happens all the time 393 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,800 And mainstream media 394 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,800 Now of course as you know for my own personal view point 395 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,800 I love putting the fuck up people on the air 396 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,800 I love people who have speech impediments 397 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,800 And and and weird accents 398 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,800 And because it's human is beautiful 399 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,800 I love it that's a big part of what motivates me 400 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,800 So now onto the interview Michael Grayd 401 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,800 pompous ass 402 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,800 I wish you could see the pictures 403 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,800 Is going to tell you that this is because of market pressure 404 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,800 And bullshit bullshit 405 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,800 What happens 406 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,800 And this is this is worldwide 407 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,800 Production staff 408 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,800 For I'm just going to talk about television in this case 409 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,800 Our kids the kids 410 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,800 You know they have no training 411 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,800 They'll be paying shit because they'll do anything 412 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,800 You know the blow anybody to work in 413 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,800 Quote television being show business 414 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,800 They're really cheap this is how big profits are made 415 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,800 And that's systematic 416 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,800 It's systemic it's inherent to the way the business works 417 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,800 You know we've got to pay Jonathan Ross eight million pounds 418 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,800 You know so we got to make up for that somewhere 419 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,800 By the way when I went to university 420 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,800 I studied broadcasting communications 421 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,800 And there's two things that really got drilled into your mind 422 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,800 Now this was 81 423 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,800 I believe 82 or something like that 424 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,800 And one is equal airtime 425 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:43,800 Which of course 426 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,800 When is the last time you heard any talk show 427 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,800 Or watch any talk show where there was equal airtime 428 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,800 For both sides of a political debate 429 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,800 Well of course that isn't true anymore 430 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:55,800 Go listen to Rush Limbaugh 431 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:56,800 Where's the other side 432 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,800 So somehow that is just that rule that 433 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,800 Regulation has just been thrown overboard 434 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,800 It pops up once in a while and you know people talk about it 435 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,800 Say well you know there's just no way we can't do it 436 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:06,800 All right 437 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,800 And then there was the infamous case of the 64,000 dollar question 438 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,800 There's been books written about this movies 439 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,800 Remaid movies about it 440 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,800 And that was all about this deception 441 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,800 Where you could not have a game show 442 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,800 That had a contest knew had the fricking answers up front 443 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,800 Just to draw in huge ratings 444 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:24,800 It was deemed illegal 445 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,800 This regulations about that 446 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,800 It goes on all the time my friends 447 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:30,800 So Michael Grayd 448 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,800 Who used to work at the BBC is now going to be a real pompous 449 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,800 And say oh is market pressure 450 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,800 And then I want you listen very closely 451 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,800 To a David Cox says 452 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,800 David Cox long time television producer 453 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,800 I have a huge amount of respect for the guy 454 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,800 Listen to what he says about television 455 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,800 And listen to what he says about 456 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,800 His working with David Grayd 457 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,800 The man who was right there saying that 458 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,800 Oh this is something of the last couple of years 459 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,800 That 30 years ago 460 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,800 David Cox and Michael Grayd were deceiving the public together 461 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,800 Well for some perspective on why this has happened 462 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,800 I'm joined by Michael Grayd currently head of ITV 463 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,800 And formally chairman of the BBC's Board of Governors 464 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,800 And David Cox, a TV producer and writer 465 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,800 Who formally edited a weekend world 466 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,800 Do you understand why this has happened 467 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,800 I mean why some producers think it's all right to line this way 468 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,800 No, I can't say I do exactly 469 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,800 I think it's partly to do with casualisation 470 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,800 Of the industry 471 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,800 People on short term contracts 472 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,800 100 tremendous strain 473 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,800 tremendous pressure 474 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,800 Competitive pressure is enormous 475 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,800 Exactly what the BBC is not supposed to have 476 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,800 Is competitive pressure 477 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,800 And I think the culture has 478 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,800 You know this is clearly an epidemic 479 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,800 And it's not just the BBC that's got the problem 480 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,800 I mean I think every broadcaster has got this problem 481 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,800 So are you looking at 482 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,800 We are waiting for Deloitte to deliver there 483 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,800 Their report on our 484 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,800 Premium phone line problem 485 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:58,800 So listen to this 486 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,800 The guy is actually bringing Deloitte and Toosh to investigate 487 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,800 Deloitte and Toosh are the people who actually put the pay lines in place 488 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,800 A different division of Deloitte and Toosh 489 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,800 Actually has all these SMS text divisions 490 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:13,800 It's like 491 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,800 Sorry for got to mention that 492 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,800 So Deloitte and Toosh are basically investigating themselves 493 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:19,800 In a way 494 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,800 I don't know what's in it 495 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,800 But I don't expect to be 496 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,800 Particularly happy about what I'm going to read 497 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:26,800 But I don't know what's in it 498 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:27,800 You know I'm just thinking 499 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,800 Have you ever seen those competitions on television 500 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,800 Where they have the accountants come in with the briefcase 501 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,800 And here's the sealed bid 502 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:34,800 And oh yes 503 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:35,800 This has been protected 504 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,800 And we have the results 505 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,800 You know how that doesn't happen anymore 506 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,800 How you don't see those guys 507 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,800 You know like when there's a public vote for 508 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,800 Pop idol or American Idol 509 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,800 Or dancing with the stars 510 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:47,800 The no longer does that happen 511 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:48,800 Where the guy says okay 512 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:49,800 It's all protected 513 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:50,800 And our seal of approval 514 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:51,800 You know why? 515 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:52,800 Because they're in the fucking game with them 516 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:53,800 That's why 517 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:54,800 Um 518 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,800 This precise reason is why 519 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,800 As the why this is spread 520 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,800 Quite as badly as this across all broadcasts 521 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:03,800 Not just the BBC 522 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,800 Is it is a function of that pressure 523 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,800 It's a function of short-term contracts 524 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,800 It's a function of lack of training 525 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,800 I just I'm at a loss really to understand 526 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:15,800 Oh man 527 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,800 This is so beautiful 528 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,800 It's like the nose is growing 529 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,800 I think you have a sense of why this is going on 530 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,800 Why do effects 531 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,800 Okay, so now we go to David Cox 532 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,800 Listen to what he has to say 533 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,800 The same Michael Reds saying all broadcasts 534 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:28,800 There's one way or another 535 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,800 Well, I'm not surprised 536 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,800 Mark Thompson says he is 537 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,800 That dishonesty has been discovered in television 538 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,800 And I don't feel the need that Michael clearly feels 539 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,800 And Mark is well 540 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,800 To blame the whole thing on some strange short-term factors 541 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,800 And some suddenly have come into play and changed everything 542 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,800 When the industry was once pure and now suddenly it isn't 543 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,800 I think the reality is that television has always 544 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,800 And way had a culture of deception within it 545 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,800 It's in the nature of what it does 546 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,800 Almost everything on television is a 547 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,800 Confection of some kind or other 548 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,800 This isn't really true of other activities 549 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,800 But what television producers have been doing all the time 550 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,800 When they're preparing a documentary 551 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,800 The editing footage 552 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,800 To produce effects that aren't quite 553 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,800 A raw material justifies 554 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,800 Reality shows up here and you learn subsequently 555 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,800 That what's happened has been fixed 556 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:19,800 Drama docs appear 557 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,800 And what they do is they convert the complexities of real life 558 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,800 Into her heroic dramas 559 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,800 With heroes and unfortunate villains 560 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,800 But this is a little bit of a screen look 561 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,800 As if she's walking out of a room 562 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,800 And she actually was walking into the room 563 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,800 They didn't do that 564 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:36,800 Was that prevalent? 565 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,800 Well, I think that if you live in this world 566 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,800 Where fake careers part of what you do 567 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,800 The borderline between what's reality 568 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,800 And what's fake 569 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:44,800 It becomes very blurred 570 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,800 And it shifts it shifts 571 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:47,800 Especially when you're under pressure 572 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,800 And it's not just nowadays that television people are under pressure 573 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,800 They've always been under colossal pressure 574 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,800 And faced with the problem 575 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,800 That you've got to get your program finish 576 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,800 You've got to get your program out 577 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,800 The temptation always is 578 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,800 To push that borderline a little bit further 579 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,800 And that's what happened with the queen 580 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,800 But it is it worse now because 581 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,800 In your view because 582 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,800 Do you hear what the man is saying 583 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,800 This is a long time television producer 584 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,800 And I just got to applaud this guy 585 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,800 For being completely open and honest 586 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,800 And saying what is? 587 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,800 And he's not ashamed 588 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:17,800 Which he shouldn't have to be 589 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,800 But by Gali, let's not pretend 590 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,800 Let's not cover this up people 591 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,800 To take the specific case of the BBC 592 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,800 The BBC is trying to do too much 593 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,800 And therefore it's inevitable 594 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,800 If you have much more quantity 595 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:29,800 You will have much 596 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,800 Ah, I can't wait until you hear what he says about Michael Greed 597 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,800 Perhaps a dilution of quality 598 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,800 And you wouldn't have the editorial control 599 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,800 She had when there's only a couple channels 600 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,800 Now it is hard 601 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,800 The editorial lines of Quran 602 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,800 Quite long these days 603 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:43,800 Particularly with an independent sector 604 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,800 Although you cannot lay the blame for this 605 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,800 And Tali on the independent sector 606 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:48,800 Because a lot of these things are in house 607 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,800 BBC problems anyway 608 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,800 But the talent moves around 609 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,800 They don't love them on short 610 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,800 The talent moves around 611 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,800 Because you pay them shit 612 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:56,800 You pay them shit 613 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,800 And they're completely indispensable 614 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:00,800 In country 615 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,800 When you want to do that, give them short-term contracts 616 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:03,800 So here's the reason why 617 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,800 You have a television program 618 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:05,800 You have people working on it 619 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,800 What happens if the show 620 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,800 All of a sudden fails 621 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:10,800 Or has to be taken off the air 622 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,800 You're left with the staff of 30 to 50 623 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,800 Maybe even 100 people 624 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,800 You don't want those long-term contracts 625 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:17,800 That you can't get out of 626 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,800 That's why everyone in television 627 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,800 Is freelance 628 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,800 So you can fire them 629 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,800 When the show goes off the air 630 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:24,800 Or the season ends 631 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:25,800 It's how it works 632 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:26,800 Don't give me this shit 633 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,800 That is part of something new 634 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:29,800 Of the past couple of years 635 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,800 Term contracts 636 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:31,800 It is the pressure 637 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,800 Yes there's always been temptation 638 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,800 I agree with David 639 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:35,800 The temptation is always there 640 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:36,800 But I agree with you 641 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,800 You're successful in the past 642 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,800 Resisting that temptation 643 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,800 Somehow the pressures were less 644 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,800 Yes there's pressure of course there is 645 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,800 But the skills and the crafts 646 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,800 That go into making television programs 647 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,800 Are now being used 648 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,800 To cross a line 649 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,800 There is a line of deceit 650 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,800 Deliberate intent 651 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:56,800 To deceive 652 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:57,800 And that's a line 653 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,800 That I have never seen cross before 654 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:01,800 If that's true 655 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,800 Can you put Humpty Dumpty together again 656 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:04,800 Okay so 657 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,800 He says that this is something 658 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:06,800 Just of the past few years 659 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,800 And I just gave you a couple of examples 660 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:09,800 From my own experience 661 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,800 From 25 years ago 662 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,800 It has been going on forever 663 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:15,800 And it's unraveling 664 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:16,800 Before our very eyes 665 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,800 It's very very important 666 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,800 That we pay attention to this 667 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,800 And use this 668 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,800 Because the spectacle has now turned 669 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,800 On to the media itself 670 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:26,800 Where the media 671 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:27,800 Typically 672 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,800 Creates the spectacle about someone else 673 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,800 Now the spectacle is on itself 674 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:32,800 And because of all the competition 675 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:33,800 You're going to see 676 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:34,800 Everybody 677 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,800 All these stations 678 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,800 Going to be killing each other 679 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:37,800 And we have to feed the beast 680 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:38,800 My friends 681 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,800 If we want to make independent media 682 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,800 Interesting 683 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,800 And compelling for people 684 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,800 As an alternative 685 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,800 To what they're being spoon fed 686 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,800 And what they're now finding out 687 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:47,800 Is a bunch of lies 688 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,800 And trickery 689 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:49,800 And crap 690 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:50,800 We have to propel this 691 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,800 We've got to throw gas on the fire 692 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:53,800 The public quite right 693 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:54,800 They are going to be very skeptical 694 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,800 Everything 695 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:56,800 They see on television 696 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,800 Now can you rebuild that degree of trust 697 00:29:58,800 --> 00:29:59,800 With all television channels 698 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:00,800 But particularly the BBC 699 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,800 You depend on public trust 700 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:03,800 Otherwise there would be many money 701 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,800 Oh and this is so incredibly important 702 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:06,800 This is why it's a big deal 703 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:07,800 Because the politicians 704 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,800 Politics knows 705 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,800 They know 706 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,800 That if the people don't trust the media 707 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,800 Then that is their vehicle 708 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,800 That's how politicians communicate 709 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,800 Then people will not trust them 710 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,800 So this is going to be a huge issue 711 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,800 It's going to be so big 712 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,800 Television is going to get incredibly 713 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,800 Boring 714 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,800 Well actually I believe this will happen 715 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:30,800 I think it's a matter of culture 716 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,800 And I think it goes back a long way 717 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,800 And Michael I worked for you 30 years ago 718 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,800 And we used to get up all kinds of stuff 719 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:37,800 And don't pretend 720 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,800 You don't go about it 721 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,800 I don't think I will 722 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:44,800 But 723 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:45,800 Okay 724 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:46,800 Did you just hear what happened 725 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,800 This producer said Michael 726 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,800 You guy 727 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:51,800 Formerly boss of BBC 728 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,800 I presume when he was the boss of the BBC 729 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,800 Of the chairman of the Board of Governors 730 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,800 Or whatever 731 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,800 We deceived the public 732 00:30:58,800 --> 00:30:59,800 He said it right there 733 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,800 Then the freaking news night interview 734 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:02,800 He was saying 735 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:03,800 Well you could told us about that 736 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,800 Then of course David Cox 737 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:05,800 I think wisely says 738 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,800 Well I'm not going to go into it right now 739 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:08,800 But 740 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:09,800 Where's the follow-up interview 741 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,800 I believe he has to tell us 742 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,800 If Michael Grade was involved in deception 743 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,800 When he was at the BBC 744 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,800 That needs to come out 745 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,800 And I'm going to make a call out to everybody 746 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,800 And I know there's producers who listen to this show 747 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,800 I know that there are people who've been in audiences 748 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,800 Of programs, television and radio 749 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:27,800 All mainstream 750 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:28,800 Listen to the show 751 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,800 I want you to blow the whistle 752 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:31,800 I want you to call in 753 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:32,800 I want you to tell me what happened 754 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,800 And we're going to publicize this 755 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,800 This can be a huge deal 756 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:37,800 Particularly 757 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:38,800 If this happened to you 758 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,800 In the United States 759 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,800 We have to fan the flames 760 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,800 This is part of the revolution 761 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,800 If you really give a shit about what we're doing 762 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,800 About independent media 763 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:47,800 An alternative 764 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,800 And something that certainly has more chance 765 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,800 Of being more transparent 766 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,800 Has less ulterior motives 767 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:54,800 Than mainstream media 768 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,800 It is your duty to come forward 769 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,800 You can do it anonymously 770 00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:59,800 Of course 771 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:00,800 The truth is that culture is changed 772 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:01,800 And they change very fast 773 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,800 And they change in the face of dramatic events 774 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,800 I mean smoking 775 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,800 Was something that was part of the culture 776 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:07,800 Almost overnight 777 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:08,800 It's become unacceptable 778 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,800 And I think today's events 779 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,800 In themselves will be sufficient 780 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:12,800 To change everything 781 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:13,800 In the television industry 782 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,800 And people in the industry 783 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,800 Will have to start treating the viewers 784 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,800 Straight in the way that they haven't in the past 785 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,800 It's going to happen 786 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,800 And it won't happen 787 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,800 Because the BBC's guidelines will get much thicker 788 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,800 Which of course they will 789 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:25,800 It will happen 790 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:26,800 Because everybody working 791 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:27,800 In any part of the industry 792 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:28,800 Will just know things have changed 793 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:29,800 They've been rumbled 794 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,800 And they've got to change their ways 795 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,800 In crises like this 796 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,800 So 797 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,800 Now standby 798 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,800 Because he's going to tell you 799 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:38,800 Why it's unraveling 800 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,800 And why the BBC no one 801 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,800 That ABC NBC CBS CNN 802 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,800 The Fox News BBC ITV 803 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,800 No one can stop it 804 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,800 Because the genius out of the battle 805 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,800 With horror stories 806 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:51,800 Like today's story 807 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:52,800 And others that know that 808 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,800 Will come out and stuff 809 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:54,800 We've seen before 810 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,800 From Channel 4, Channel 5 811 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:57,800 And our ITV 812 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,800 You will only restore public trust 813 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,800 Through the means by which you handle 814 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:03,800 The affair 815 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:04,800 The BBC Trust today 816 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,800 As behaved impeccably 817 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,800 As it was meant to do 818 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,800 I think the honesty and the open 819 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,800 And prompt disclosure 820 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:13,800 By the BBC of the problems 821 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:14,800 They found 822 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:15,800 Will do much 823 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:16,800 To repair 824 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,800 Public trust 825 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:18,800 But it's quite clear 826 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,800 From what Mark Thompson said 827 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,800 That he knows he has to deliver 828 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:22,800 Within a few months 829 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:23,800 Quite likely 830 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:24,800 Of course 831 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:25,800 Of course 832 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,800 And we're all trying to handle this 833 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,800 Are you partners 834 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,800 As open and transparent 835 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,800 A manor as possible 836 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:31,800 It's the only way 837 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,800 That you will quickly restore 838 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:34,800 Public trust in broadcasting 839 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:35,800 Which is crucial for 840 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,800 Have you asked your staff to come up with 841 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:38,800 Yes indeed 842 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,800 They are feeding it 843 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:40,800 We've got a whistle blowing line 844 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:42,800 They've got a drive 845 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:43,800 The only whistle blowing line 846 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:44,800 You need to know 847 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,800 Or the ones you know at the call 848 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:02,800 That's right 849 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:03,800 If you're in the States 850 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:04,800 And you know of some trickery 851 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,800 Or fraud on mainstream media 852 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:06,800 You've got to let us know 853 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:07,800 And the UK 854 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:08,800 Here's your number 855 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,800 Number 856 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:12,800 Number 857 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,800 Number 858 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:14,800 Number 859 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:15,800 Number 860 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:16,800 Number 861 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:17,800 Number 862 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,800 Number 863 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:19,800 Number 864 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,800 Number 865 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:21,800 Number 866 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:22,800 Number 867 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,800 Number 868 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,800 Number 869 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,800 Number 870 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:26,800 Number 871 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,800 Number 872 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:28,800 Number 873 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:29,800 Number 874 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,800 Number 875 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,800 Number 876 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:32,800 Number 877 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,800 Number 878 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:34,800 Number 879 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,800 Number 880 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,800 Number 881 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,800 Number 882 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,800 Number 883 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:39,800 Number 884 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,800 Number 885 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:41,800 Number 886 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,800 Number 887 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,800 Number 888 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:44,800 Number 889 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,800 Number 890 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:47,800 Number 891 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:48,800 Number 892 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:54,400 The BBC All Broadcasts could do is just open up everything and say this is how we make television programs. 893 00:34:54,400 --> 00:35:00,600 This is a genuine bit of a concoction as you put it earlier and this is a confection and this isn't. 894 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,600 Yes, I think that's going to happen, but partly it's happening because the viewers are working it all out for themselves. 895 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,200 They're much more aware of how the business works and they used to be. 896 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:15,200 They look on YouTube and see the inner workings of everything and the viewers are going to make this happen. 897 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,000 The pieces should do nothing that they don't want to read about in the newspapers tomorrow. 898 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,000 There you go. 899 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,000 Do nothing you don't want to read about in the newspapers tomorrow. 900 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,000 You pussies. 901 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,000 Excuse me. 902 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,800 Oh, man, I'm riled up about this. 903 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,000 So, I want to expose all of this and you know what? 904 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,800 I'll come up with a million more examples from my own world. 905 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,000 No problem. 906 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,400 Geez, Louise. 907 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,400 You know, MTV. 908 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,200 Oh, yeah, we've done so much trickery, so much deception. 909 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,000 All in the under the guise of well, that's entertainment. 910 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,800 That show business. 911 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,800 Oh, I'm all right. 912 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,800 I need to just relax for a second. 913 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,800 I don't think I'm going to do anything else on today's show. 914 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:58,800 But let's just find lies with some good jersey vibes from the Hesh. 915 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,400 Here's your Todd Nyer notes about this guy. 916 00:36:03,750 --> 00:39:19,680 [ Music ] 917 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,680 You didn't move so fast 918 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,680 Show me your heart, you're kidding, that's a strong 919 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,680 Something that you raised me 920 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,680 Bruce 921 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,680 Oh man, this guy is good 922 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,680 He gives me the same vibe, Bruce gives me 923 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,680 The fourth instance of our Springsteen guy straight 924 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,680 Southside Johnny, oh crap, what's up with that? 925 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,680 It just ends like that, probably flows through on the album 926 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,680 Alright, so I'm just going to leave it at that for today 927 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,680 Because I've said enough, I'm counting on you guys 928 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,680 To call in, give me, I'll give you another one 929 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,680 Do you know the program TRL, TRL live? 930 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,680 Which the predecessor to that was total request live? 931 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,680 The predecessor to that was something called dial MTV 932 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,680 Every single day, weekday afternoon between 933 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,680 I think it was six and six, 30 or five, 30 and six 934 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,680 I hosted a program called dial MTV, phone lines are open 935 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,680 One, 800 dial MTV, all you have to do is call in 936 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,680 And vote for your favorite video 937 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:19,680 And you know what happened? 938 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:20,680 No, what happened? 939 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,680 The list would come down from some magic call center 940 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,680 Go to the office, to the programming department 941 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,680 And then we'll come down to us 942 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,680 So those of you who really got sick of seeing new kids on the block 943 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,680 Which by the way, I like the new kids on the block 944 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,680 I just want to set the record straight 945 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,680 But you know what's seconding, every single day 946 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,680 They were like number one, they would literally change 947 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,680 The number one video to something else 948 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,680 They would lie because they were sick and tired 949 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,680 And then people were calling up and saying stop playing new kids on the block 950 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,680 They would do that, they had nothing to do with the voting 951 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,680 So if you've witnessed this, it is your duty 952 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,680 You got to do some duty, it is your duty 953 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,680 To call in and tell me about the deception you were involved in 954 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,680 I promise you I'll protect your identity if you want to do it 955 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,680 Anonymously, but it's even better if you'll come forward 956 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,680 And you probably probably more people were victim 957 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,680 And just involved in it and not actually the mastermind of it 958 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,680 This is our chance that's a crack in the armor 959 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,680 Let's really really make them bleed 960 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,680 Because we can show the world that there is an alternative 961 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,680 They're ready, they're starting to lick that red pill 962 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,680 Let's push him 963 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,680 DailySourceco.com, Adam at podshow.com 964 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,680 Tomorrow we'll do some cheddar 965 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,680 Another podshow podcast, stick it in your ear