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It's the source code.

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Today is Sunday August 22nd
2004.

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I'm at Curry another source code
from Belgium from Curry Castle
where it looks like, oh,

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with any luck we maybe saw it in
this place pretty soon.

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Belgium came back on Friday to
look for the second time when it
comes back Monday morning

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tomorrow at 11 a.m. so that's
pretty encouraging.

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For today I just want to talk
about a couple things.

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Hold on a second, Mike.

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My preferred is...

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Am I even...

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Nah, hey.

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Let me see if I can switch this
on the fly.

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You

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So my internal mic on my laptop
to be a great attribute to Apple
if I can do this on the

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fly.

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Let's see.

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One, two.

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Yeah.

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It worked.

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Okay.

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Well, continuing to record.

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That sounds a hell of a lot
better.

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Lots of people are asking me
what the source code, where the
name came from source code

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and they obviously didn't catch
the very first episode.

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source code is pretty much what
it would sound to be.

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It's what's behind the program.

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If you look at my web log is
okay, here's all the thoughts
that are distilled from my

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brain that I actually get onto
the web, get published.

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The thoughts behind that is the
source code.

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And so every day I just talk
about whatever's going on and
what I'm thinking about and
what's

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happening.

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And most of what I've talked
about is probably linked to on
that day or the previous day's

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page.

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So this is just the brain dump.

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It's usually about 10 to 15
minutes long and I try to do it
every single day.

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Doug Kay from IT Conversations
which you can find at
ITconversations.com left a note
on

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my web log. He wanted to know if
my ipotter software, if that
script was going to support

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AAC files which is Apple's
compression and DRM technology
for audio compression. And

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yeah, the answer is of course it
will. And the best part is that
AAC files indeed have

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a bookmark. So if you go to a
different track on your ipotter
and iTunes or your MPD player

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in general, when you go back to
it, it should pick up where you
left off. But yeah, you know,

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there's a lot to do. How about
support for Adam files and do
Adam files actually have

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enclosures? I'm sure that they
do. But that's, you know, that's
going to be a whole nother

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trick to figure out how to
support that. And quite frankly,
I'm hoping that someone picks

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up and starts doing about

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better iPod or in a cross
language platform or scripting
language and takes over. But

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until then, I'll continue
developing. Doug K. Vit
conversations. One of the shows
that's

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on there is Gilmore Gang. And I
was listening to last Friday's
edition. This is hosted by

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Steve Gilmore. He writes for,
he's a contributing editor for
ZDNet and they have a set number

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of panelists and besides regular
doc swirls, Dave Sifri of
Technorati was also on the panel

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I guess as a member of the
Gilmore Gang. And the guest was
Tuntec, Silic from Technorati.

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Now, you know, I was listening
to the show or I was thinking
Technorati, I have Technorati

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links on my web log but I get as
far as I can tell I have.

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I guess zero benefit out of it.

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There's never a paying to it.

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There's never an updated
Tenorati link,

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or very, very rarely.

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So I'm not quite sure what it
does.

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I understand what they're
talking about,

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but so I'm just kind of
listening away, surfing a bit.

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And then I heard Steve Gilmore
say something interesting.

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And he started talking about
something he called

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the iPod platform, like whoa,
hold on.

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That sounds like something that
I've been talking about.

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The iPod platform.

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iPod as a platform, a way to
distribute information,

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not just music or MP3s, but it
could be a lot more.

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Like the Gilmore gang, for
instance,

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and like this show, Source Code.

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So of course now I feel more
than ever,

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like we're on to something here.

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And I wanna just play a little
bit of that part

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of Steve Gilmore talking about

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what he calls the iPod platform.

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And it's about three minutes.

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just have a listen person.

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That TANTech mentioned was the
different kinds of data types.

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Video, audio, this program, for
example, is achieving a very,
very important audience

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in the download market, in the
iPod platform, as I've called
it.

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As new programs come online,
Dave Weiner does his morning
coffee notes.

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Adam Curry has got a terrific
daily program called Source
Code, I believe.

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And, Hallie Sude, I believe, has
a program that she started on IT
conversations.

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Doug can fill us in on that.

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So, you know, as this kind of
content starts to proliferate,
it seems that we're going to
have

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a similar problem, which is
finding the time to consume the
best of this information.

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as it populates the network.

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So, does attention have a role
in this space?

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I think this is not a fact.

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I think it's important to
realize that sometimes it's
better to try to solve a simple
problem

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and try to do a really good job
at it and get lots of feedback
and iterate and then

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try to grow certainly the scope
of what you're working on if it
makes sense, if it can make

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sense to include other data
types, other media types.

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What we are involved in sort of
talking about, you know, up to
this point has been

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sort of onslaught of text that
we've been subject to because of
the internet and that

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we feel an almost urgency to all
keep up with.

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We kind of feel left out if we
don't know exactly what
everyone's saying about
everything.

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And that's the first approach is
to try to at least triage that
to something manageable.

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But you're absolutely right,
Steve.

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It's not like the flood is over
when we've solved that problem.

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New media types are showing up
more and more just like blogs
that made it easy to publish

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text on the web.

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The audio blogs and other tools
are developing.

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to publish other media types,
audio, photos, etc.

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and share them.

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And then the question is, well,
how do I pay attention to what's
most interesting there?

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And so absolutely, I think that
we're trying to keep multiple
media types

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or media type independence in
mind from the beginning.

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I mean, to me, this is a very
similar characteristic to the
T-Vo environment.

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I used that as a Kleenex type
brand name rather than specific
manufacturer.

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It's T-Vo for the web.

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And as the web and multiple
media's crisscross and sort of
converge,

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we're seeing companies like SBC
and the paper yesterday.

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SBC and just network are moving
toward movies on demand.

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They're keeping it fairly scoped
to the traditional content
providers, the movie studios and
the

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record companies.

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But once the door is opened, I
think that we'll see a lot of
direct to web or direct from

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web content starting to emerge.

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And the characteristics of
people who are consuming that
media, if they are recorded

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and transmitted to the attention
network using attention.xml,
that essentially allows for

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the implicit metadata of how
people consume this information
to be them returned to the

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group of people that are
interested in.

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You know, maybe there are 100
people who have already listened
to the next open source or

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source code broadcast.

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and say that it's the best one
yet.

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the way that they've listened to
it in terms of what they've done
with other input systems

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on the computer during that
period of time. In other words,
nothing would be an indication

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that this is a useful program
that they've listened to from
beginning to end without

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stopping or doing much else
except perhaps clicking on the
website, Adam's website for

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more information.

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Okay, so a couple extra
interesting things there that
Steve was saying. I guess
they're

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talking about some attention,
some present server or something
in the middle. That's

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probably what Technorati is
supposed to be is where, oh,
there's a whole bunch of stuff

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that you should be looking at.
Click here to go check it out.
But it sounds good.

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I don't know if it's really
possible or, you know, but it
actually sounds a little bit

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ahead of where we're at right
now where we still have to
figure out how to get two
different

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types of feeds, RSS and Adam to
work together. You know, we're
still working on the aggregator

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And then what Steve was talking
about, TBO for the web, I
totally agree with that.

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That's where aggregators are
going to get a lot smarter and
probably more specific doing

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certain tasks and hopefully
we'll also have the big mother
of all aggregators that'll

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do everything for you when you
want it as you like it and spit
it out in multiple play

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out systems.

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Um

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what the end of the day was
talking about how people would
be listening to a program

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for instance like source code
and what you're doing while
listening to it. I'm interested

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if you want to leave a comment
please do. Do you listen to the
whole thing from beginning

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to end? Do you do anything else?
Are you reading, surfing,
checking email? Are you walking?

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Are you in the car? I'd love to
know where you listen to the
program.

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And of course something I'd love
to enhance this show is the
ability to somehow embed

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links. I'm not quite sure how
that would work. It may not.
Right now as D point out you've

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listened to the the audio blog
post and if you want more
information you go do my web

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blog. And let's see I want to
talk about oh Patricia, she of
course always wonders what

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I'm doing here in the bar with
the door closed and I told her
about source code and she
listened

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She always thinks quite
commercially and said,

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well, so how do you plan to make
money on this?

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Or I said, no, no, that's not
the point.

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And though I'm gonna be able to
convince her

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how I see that working and why
should you have to charge

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for something just because I get
paid in other media

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to use my voice in exactly the
same way,

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that's kind of inexplicable.

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But one thing you could do, of
course, is,

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well, if we have enough of the
right people listening,

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could always embed commercials.

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And, gee, we could do all kinds
of interesting commercials.

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Here's one that I pulled out of
my iTunes

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that reminds you just how far
we've come in advertising.

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Winston takes good, like a
cigarette.

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Um...

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One more plea for software to do
this type of program with.

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Um, I've been given so many
recommendations and I even tried
megasag recently.

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And no one really just has it.

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I posted about this before, I
posted the interface and really
what would be absolutely perfect
is it.

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If I could just record whatever
comes out of the speakers,
including a mic signal.

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Um, because then I could just be
playing quick time movies or
MPEGs or MP3s and whatever
player I wanted.

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I could have playlists and a
program that does playlists.

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Well, it seems like it can be
done.

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It has, it must be possible.

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You can just get to the core
audio driver or something like
that.

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Um, in order to, um, add to
record all of the audio.

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And, um, audio hijack, although
it can record multiple...

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multiple applications and a mic
input at the same time it writes
them to all

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different files so it's just not
you know I really need a DJ
mixing setup that

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will write a mix directly to mp3
and and and enables you to set
up a couple of

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hotkeys to trigger off preset
stuff you should be able to drag
stuff into a

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playlist on the fly if you want
as you're talking and and the
mic channel has to

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be able to mix it and some
processing of the mic channel
would be nice as well

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okay song of the day beautiful
day here in Belgium it's nice
and sunny and I

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figured we got to play something
that everybody can sing along to

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I thought I was standing there
at Beatles on source code for
today.

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And I just wanted to wind up
today's report with some work I
did last night.

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on this pinnacle show server
which I blogged about and I've
spoken about earlier in source
code reports.

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Now, what this turn... well,
what it is, it's kind of a
DVD-like device. That's the
slimline thing.

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You put on top of DVD player and
you basically plug a Wi-Fi card
in the back which comes which is
supplied with.

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And then you hook it up to your
TV, you have hooked it up to our
big grandmaster view screen.

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And then you start a server with
some special software that only
runs on Windows.

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And then you can scan your
drive, get all kinds of media,
you set up a watch folder, drop
stuff in, it's added to the
library.

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And what you do is you log into
the system on your television
with your remote and it gives
you an overview of your library
and it plays stuff in order for
you and it's shuffle stuff.

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And I thought this was some
pretty sophisticated stuff until
Yerun posted on the comments on
my web blog pointed me to an
open source.

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a source version of a server and
it turns out that this box is
really no more than just a web
browser with media players,
which is a pretty good idea.

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They really should promote that
idea so more people would be
making content management
systems and servers specifically
for this.

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They seem to be using all open
protocols so that's fine, maybe
a couple of extra bits there to
get the new media light working
on the front if something new is
added.

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In fact, I built a little
webpage on my powerbook and
connected to it from the system
and linked to an mp3 file and it
played.

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Then I started digging a little
bit into the windows, not to the
code, really into the directory
and it turns out that's a web
server running some PHP scripts.

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So, interesting. And if anyone
has any ideas out there for a
media jute box that I might be
able to connect to, if you
connect to it with a web
browser,

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essentially you can do it with
this thing. You know let me know
about it. And

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finally I'm looking for more RSS
feeds with audio enclosures. You
know as I

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work on the next beta release of
iPodter I need more content
coming in just to be

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able to test in a real-world
environment. You know my own
stuff comes back to me.

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Dave's on the road right now
he's not updating very
frequently. There's some

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other audio blogs that have no
RSS feed or most of them though.
Maybe maybe one of

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the big services has an
enclosure feed that I'm not
aware of yet. So please let

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me know. It's Adam at Curry.com
and my web log is at live
liv.curry.com.

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I'd love to hear from you and
thanks for listening if you
caught this through

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iPodter or through another news
aggregator. Thank you very much
for

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subscribing and we'll talk to
you tomorrow.

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