WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:15.680 this is the source code for Thursday August 26 2004. Hi everybody. Good morning, good 00:15.680 --> 00:19.680 evening, good afternoon, wherever you might be listening to this or whichever day you 00:19.680 --> 00:24.520 might be listening to this. I'm Adam Curry coming to you from Curry Castle in Belgium 00:24.520 --> 00:29.080 for as long as we are still here. The move towards the UK is looking good. Hopefully 00:29.080 --> 00:35.840 we'll have some news about that next week. So it's Thursday is always the hardest day. 00:35.840 --> 00:42.200 If you get up really early like I've been doing for the past year, Thursday is just 00:42.200 --> 00:46.200 it's the Thursday dip. It's really, really difficult. So just a quick scan around the 00:46.200 --> 00:53.800 net a couple of things I want to talk about today. After hearing Dan Bricklin on IT conversations, 00:53.800 --> 00:58.960 I'm relaying that the Halley Suit hosts. Dan posted something on his web blog that you 00:58.960 --> 01:01.480 might want to check out at DanBricklin.com. 01:01.500 --> 01:03.600 concept of the iPod platform. 01:03.600 --> 01:09.180 And he writes about IT conversations and basically all the stuff that we've been talking about, 01:09.180 --> 01:15.760 you know, how there are actual programs and shows and how the timing of when you get it 01:15.760 --> 01:21.020 may not be that important as long as it's automated and put onto your play out device. 01:21.020 --> 01:24.780 And of course he does note that the technology to do this has been around for quite a while. 01:24.780 --> 01:31.020 But I think now we're finally catching on and I'm very happy about that. 01:31.020 --> 01:35.780 Yesterday I started with the first of my reviews of audiobooks. 01:35.780 --> 01:38.780 So yesterday, what was it? 01:38.780 --> 01:40.620 Oh, anti-Americanism. 01:40.620 --> 01:46.380 And today a book that I read, again, big quotes there on the red part because I listened to 01:46.380 --> 01:52.300 read all my books through almost all my books through audiobooks. 01:52.300 --> 01:55.660 I thought it might be interesting to let you hear what it sounds like when audiobook 01:55.660 --> 01:58.140 has been read by the author. 01:58.140 --> 02:02.780 In this case, Bill Clinton, his autobiography, My Little 02:03.000 --> 02:09.480 life, which I was thinking about this, I was preparing a clip to play for you today, that 02:09.480 --> 02:13.080 I don't think that I would have been able to get through the entire book if I was actually 02:13.080 --> 02:19.960 reading it. Because I found it, you know, a little bit boring. The way the press in Europe 02:19.960 --> 02:23.520 certainly played it up is, you know, well, there's not much in the book, but there is 02:23.520 --> 02:28.400 this one bit about Monica Lewinsky. And it's dumb, you know, it's interesting to hear 02:28.400 --> 02:32.920 about what went on behind the scenes, how policy was put together. I particularly like 02:32.920 --> 02:40.560 the all the stories about his presidential election. And just a lot of the decisions 02:40.560 --> 02:47.840 that he had to make during his presidency and also before and after. But again, it may be 02:47.840 --> 02:52.560 because you're listening to the president of the United States read these words or speak 02:52.560 --> 02:56.920 these words that it is entertaining enough to listen to the entire thing. But it's certainly 02:56.920 --> 03:00.880 not one that, you know, excuse me, I'm yeah, I know I have to take a bath, but I'm taking 03:00.880 --> 03:01.880 the iPod with me. 03:01.880 --> 03:03.680 It's not a book like that. 03:04.500 --> 03:09.420 part for you today and I'm going to try and keep a little bit shorter than the previous 03:09.420 --> 03:15.860 excerpts I've done, where Bill Clinton talks about the fact that he knew that he was lying 03:15.860 --> 03:23.340 and that he was betraying his colleagues, his family and of course the American public. 03:23.340 --> 03:30.420 And it is nice to hear someone say, you know, I fucked up and I did a bad thing. 03:30.420 --> 03:34.520 So I'll play that for you right now from Bill Clinton's My Life. 03:36.000 --> 03:40.000 broke, I called my attorney David Kendall and assured him that I had not sub-orn perjury 03:40.000 --> 03:45.120 or obstructed justice. It was clear to both of us that Starr was trying to create a firestorm 03:45.120 --> 03:50.440 to force me from office. He was off to a flying start, but I thought if I could survive the 03:50.440 --> 03:54.880 public pounding for two weeks, the smoke would begin to clear the press and the public would 03:54.880 --> 04:01.080 focus on Starr's tactics, and a more balanced view would emerge. I knew I had made a terrible 04:01.080 --> 04:07.000 mistake, and I was determined not to compound it by allowing Starr to drive me from office. 04:07.000 --> 04:14.800 For now, the hysteria was overwhelming. I went on doing my job, and I stonewalled, denying 04:14.800 --> 04:20.160 what had happened to everyone. Hillary, Chelsea, my staff and cabinet, my friends in Congress, 04:20.160 --> 04:25.360 members of the press and the American people. What I regret most other than my conduct is 04:25.360 --> 04:31.440 having misled all of them. Since 1991, I had been called a liar about everything under 04:31.440 --> 04:36.920 the sun, when in fact, I had been honest in my public life and financial affairs, as all 04:37.500 --> 04:43.980 would show. Now I was misleading everyone about my personal failing. I was so embarrassed 04:43.980 --> 04:48.180 and I wanted to keep it for my wife and daughter and I didn't want to help Ken Star to criminalize 04:48.180 --> 04:54.820 my personal life. It was like living in a nightmare. I was back to my parallel lives 04:54.820 --> 04:55.820 with the vengeance. 04:55.820 --> 05:04.220 Okay, Bill Clinton from my life and I purchased it on audible.com. Not getting paid to say 05:04.220 --> 05:10.980 this but that is a good place to get the most recent audible audiobooks. And it's recently 05:10.980 --> 05:15.980 simple. Although you do have to log in every single time you come back which is pain in 05:15.980 --> 05:23.900 the ass and sometimes you know your session expires. Oh well. I want to move on to talk 05:23.900 --> 05:30.540 about Dave Sluscher's most recent work on the iPod platform and his audio post. But first 05:30.540 --> 05:36.620 I've gotten several messages about iTunes for Windows because people have been working 05:36.620 --> 05:38.980 on Windows scripts. Dave Sluscher also has created a new version of the Internet. 05:39.000 --> 05:45.600 created a Windows version of his Perl script of the getenclosures.pl which has the same 05:45.600 --> 05:51.040 functionality as iPod or only actually it's better and I'm using it myself. 05:51.040 --> 05:55.840 But apparently iTunes for Windows which you can of course use to sync up your iPod. 05:55.840 --> 05:59.480 I haven't done it myself but I presume it's more or less the same where you dock your 05:59.480 --> 06:02.960 iPod and it syncs up with your iTunes library. 06:02.960 --> 06:08.080 Apparently there's a calm object for iTunes which means you can control it and this was 06:08.080 --> 06:13.440 pointed out to me by several people and therefore I guess it's scriptable or addressable or you 06:13.440 --> 06:14.640 can talk to it. 06:14.640 --> 06:19.040 So if you're interested in working with us and helping out that certainly would be a 06:19.040 --> 06:23.440 big help if we can figure out exactly what we can make iTunes do and if it will only 06:23.440 --> 06:29.800 sync with an iPod or if we can use some of its API to connect to other devices because 06:29.800 --> 06:32.920 iPods, yeah there's millions of them out there but they're certainly not the only ones 06:32.920 --> 06:35.400 nor should they be. 06:35.400 --> 06:37.440 Is there some kind of industry standard for that? 06:37.440 --> 06:39.560 I mean has anyone even looked into it? 06:40.500 --> 06:45.500 I know I'll look into myself then as well. 06:45.500 --> 06:51.500 So Dave Slusher from evilgeniuschronicles.org, 06:51.500 --> 06:54.820 who's also a radio guy, I know and discovered 06:54.820 --> 06:58.640 from his most recent audio post. 06:58.640 --> 07:02.940 He did an entire 21 minute piece on RSS and enclosures 07:02.940 --> 07:06.540 and monetizing on it and how sponsorship would work. 07:06.540 --> 07:08.580 And I agree with him on a lot of points 07:08.580 --> 07:09.580 and he's saying some really... 07:09.580 --> 07:13.180 I don't know if you guys heard that, 07:13.180 --> 07:15.700 but my eye chat just started talking to me. 07:15.700 --> 07:18.860 He's saying a lot of intelligent things 07:18.860 --> 07:21.900 about the asynchronous nature of the iPod platform. 07:21.900 --> 07:26.220 And I think the monetizing bit 07:26.220 --> 07:27.500 where he's talking about sponsorship, 07:27.500 --> 07:29.700 he's talking about being paid per download. 07:29.700 --> 07:31.180 I don't wanna go quite that far. 07:31.180 --> 07:34.020 I think it's, yeah, sponsorship will come into play. 07:34.020 --> 07:37.180 Maybe someone will say, hey, would you let us sponsor 07:37.180 --> 07:41.980 your review of audiobooks. 07:42.000 --> 07:52.700 And one of the reasons I'm doing it, not only do I like audiobooks, but I'm sure that there's a market there for people to get reviews about audiobooks and here if it's worth worth purchasing. 07:52.700 --> 08:11.800 What we will need a better way of measuring our success and I, you know, yes, there is a pretty broad base and belief in measurement of page views, you need visits with, you know, based on server logs, but they're still. 08:11.800 --> 08:26.800 There's a lot of caching going on and, you know, and quite frankly messages are passed on through other means than hitting the same web server, you know, they're relayed from someone's aggregator to someone's web log. 08:26.800 --> 08:28.200 They're sent via email. 08:28.200 --> 08:35.300 There's so many different ways that it can get, you know, that your network or your content network spreads out. 08:35.300 --> 08:42.300 So we need a better way of measuring that and I think that will always come back to a, you know, your advertising, did you get some sales? 08:42.300 --> 08:43.560 sales. 08:43.500 --> 08:49.340 very basic. That is absolutely the most basic way of broadcast advertising. I think it's 08:49.340 --> 08:59.340 called per inquiry. You used to see it a lot at night and probably do on most local stations. 08:59.340 --> 09:04.420 There's a phone number, you call it, you order something and then the broadcaster gets a 09:04.420 --> 09:08.660 piece of each sale and of course the person who put together the informational or whatever 09:08.660 --> 09:15.700 it is. That's called per inquiry. I think that that may be a way to go. 09:15.700 --> 09:21.820 Another thing that Dave Sluscher talked about is how this asynchronous nature is giving us 09:21.820 --> 09:27.980 the power to really listen to what he calls I think packets of passion. I'll check an 09:27.980 --> 09:34.660 excerpt in a second. We do have control over what we like and so that we can watch it when 09:34.660 --> 09:42.900 we want to and we don't have to invest 12 a day for 12 consecutive weeks to make sure 09:42.900 --> 09:45.020 we don't miss any episode of the story. 09:45.000 --> 09:50.680 of pranos, which gets me to thinking we need some kind of democratic Tivo engine, you know, 09:50.680 --> 09:57.120 so something that can be as smart as Tivo can be based upon all of our behavior anonymously 09:57.120 --> 10:00.760 and that no one controls and can capture and monetize on that. 10:00.760 --> 10:02.960 Because I don't think that's where the money is going to be, by the way. 10:02.960 --> 10:04.520 That's the old way of figuring it out. 10:04.520 --> 10:05.800 I think that they're going to be shows. 10:05.800 --> 10:12.600 If people are going to sponsor them and want to be a part of interesting communication. 10:12.600 --> 10:19.120 Anyway, let's have a listen to Dave Slusher because he did figure me out. 10:19.120 --> 10:24.440 He really understands why I created the iPod or Apple script and I'll just share with 10:24.440 --> 10:28.560 you because he has a pretty good analogy for it. 10:28.560 --> 10:35.040 So as we as has been going on between Adam Curry's web log and some of the other people, 10:35.040 --> 10:39.360 he wrote his iPod or script which sort of challenged a couple other people to it was 10:39.360 --> 10:44.040 kind of Tom Sawyer, whitewashing the fence sort of ploy, challenged several of us, 10:44.040 --> 10:46.500 being us to go out and do, you know, 10:46.500 --> 10:52.500 more fuller featured versions of the same thing, you know, having done a little bit of it. 10:52.500 --> 10:59.500 And making it think it's all our idea. So there is certainly a Mark Twain sort of feel to it. 10:59.500 --> 11:06.500 Okay, you got me. Yes, exactly my plan. And I'm very happy it's working. I'm great that we're working together, 11:06.500 --> 11:11.500 even though we haven't even, I think, really exchange an email. And there's other people out there, 11:11.500 --> 11:17.500 and they're posting stuff, their comments, and they've got all kinds of ideas. And that's very cool. 11:17.500 --> 11:24.500 And just one more bit of what I call it. Some of Dave's personality. And I'm trying to figure him out, 11:24.500 --> 11:31.500 just from listening to his audio blog posts. You can get a real good idea of what someone's about 11:31.500 --> 11:35.500 and where they're coming from. And I think he has a real problem with the record industry, 11:35.500 --> 11:40.500 and maybe just with the man in general. So that was the wrong one. Here we go. 11:40.500 --> 11:44.500 And really, um, fucked it up. That's such a great intro for you, Dave. Here we go. 11:44.500 --> 11:47.500 And really and truly the more I think that's the best. 11:48.000 --> 11:53.260 think about it, this iPod platform and kind of asynchronously downloading for offline 11:53.260 --> 11:58.700 consumption these bundles of passion is so much better than streaming anyway. 11:58.700 --> 12:04.180 And so I'm again, I'm hoping for the world of delicious irony whereby fucking around 12:04.180 --> 12:09.140 and making it so that internet broadcasting was not economically viable. 12:09.140 --> 12:15.540 They brought about a world with something with much worse potential, much more potential 12:15.540 --> 12:18.800 for changing the world. 12:18.800 --> 12:25.980 And hopefully for reducing the record labels role in it, for disintermediating themselves 12:25.980 --> 12:31.220 out of existence because they're such cock suckers and such greedy fucks that they cannot 12:31.220 --> 12:39.260 possibly allow any other business model come in that may anytime now or in the future ever 12:39.260 --> 12:40.980 compete with them. 12:40.980 --> 12:45.860 So these fucking plutocrats may have really really host themselves and so politically 12:45.860 --> 12:47.700 I kind of hoping that that's the case. 12:47.700 --> 12:49.300 But anyway, I'm getting out. 12:49.500 --> 12:51.500 The synchronous is the key. 12:51.500 --> 12:52.500 OK. 12:52.500 --> 12:54.380 My audio cut out once or twice during that. 12:54.380 --> 12:56.060 I don't know if that actually went out that way 12:56.060 --> 12:59.180 on the recording, but clearly very passionate about what's 12:59.180 --> 13:01.900 going on in the music industry. 13:01.900 --> 13:03.260 And I think that the music industry actually 13:03.260 --> 13:06.260 has a way to help us, which I want to get to in a second. 13:06.260 --> 13:08.900 Just some quick emails and comments 13:08.900 --> 13:14.060 on the web log that I wanted to share with you. 13:14.060 --> 13:18.500 Because I'd asked several of you, where do you listen 13:18.500 --> 13:20.660 to the source code? 13:20.660 --> 13:21.740 What are you working on? 13:21.740 --> 13:25.020 Actually, Peter Oferbakke. 13:25.020 --> 13:29.980 He has a web log at iPortunities.nl slash WordPress. 13:29.980 --> 13:33.820 It's iPortunities with double P. And he's 13:33.820 --> 13:39.260 talking about working on a JavaScript version of iPotter 13:39.260 --> 13:43.100 that will work on Windows. 13:43.100 --> 13:43.580 Let's see. 13:43.580 --> 13:47.420 Then we have Eric Rice, who says that he not only 13:47.420 --> 13:51.020 listens to the show when he's driving but he also replied via his audio. 13:51.000 --> 13:54.840 blog. I look for it but for some reason I couldn't find it so I have to check that again Eric. 13:54.840 --> 14:04.840 And Ed also says that there's a way you can use the B script and of course the window scheduler 14:04.840 --> 14:12.440 to accomplish the iPod or stuff. And he points to WarnerFogel's .net tool which he had up in 14:12.440 --> 14:16.680 back in October. I think that we still need to connect to iTunes. That's the magic piece. It's 14:16.680 --> 14:23.160 not just downloading the files and extracting the enclosures. It's actually the final last bits 14:23.160 --> 14:28.680 there is getting it on to the iPod without any user intervention. Then we've really created 14:28.680 --> 14:36.120 something. And Tim Watt who has a radio web blog but just Google is named Tim Watt WATT. 14:36.120 --> 14:42.680 He is blogging the Olympics. I didn't think that they were allowed to do that and he seems 14:42.680 --> 14:47.560 like he's a journalist himself. He certainly has all kinds of great credentials and fabulous 14:47.560 --> 14:52.360 pictures and stories on his on his web blog. And I was in the understanding 14:52.500 --> 14:56.340 that no one was allowed to blog anything at the Olympics. 14:56.340 --> 15:03.580 Maybe he's just hanging out, but he's from England and judging from his blog, he's definitely 15:03.580 --> 15:05.100 a journalist. 15:05.100 --> 15:10.840 He said that he's been listening to the show while he's been there for the last week or 15:10.840 --> 15:15.100 so on the new transport system in Athens. 15:15.100 --> 15:17.100 Going back and forth from the media center each night. 15:17.100 --> 15:18.100 So there you go. 15:18.100 --> 15:20.140 That says a lot about his occupation. 15:20.140 --> 15:21.740 He says, I'm going to quote him here. 15:21.740 --> 15:24.820 I think the Lavino Rolos is something that you've played. 15:24.820 --> 15:29.100 You'll have a special nostalgia for me in the future with the backing of cicadas and hot 15:29.100 --> 15:31.380 weather when he's back in rainy old England. 15:31.380 --> 15:36.620 So wow, you know, I reached out and touched someone with the audio blog and welcome and 15:36.620 --> 15:39.300 thanks for listening, Tim. 15:39.300 --> 15:44.020 So let me wind up with me the song of the day. 15:44.020 --> 15:48.660 I was thinking that it would be nice if we can get the music business involved somehow. 15:48.660 --> 15:53.500 And there's one guy and actually I believe Dave Weiner suggested it to me a while ago. 15:54.000 --> 16:01.360 who would at least understand what we're trying to do and see that there's something there 16:01.360 --> 16:06.560 that needs to be built and can be done and that you don't necessarily have to monitor 16:06.560 --> 16:12.560 it on a better way. And I'll tell you a little story about him after this song. 16:16.250 --> 19:41.250 [ Music ] 19:43.020 --> 19:49.300 That's Prince, sign of the times and I want to tell you why I think that he would be great to work on this. 19:49.300 --> 19:53.780 First of all, we already know he believes in a download platform and a market for downloads because 19:53.780 --> 19:58.780 he's one of the first musicians to really dive into that head first. Check out NewPowerGeneration.com. 19:58.780 --> 20:03.020 Secondly, he's very intelligent and very wired and knows exactly what he's doing. 20:03.000 --> 20:05.100 what's going on and it's very aware. 20:05.100 --> 20:07.760 And I can attest to that because I met him 20:07.760 --> 20:10.740 and was invited to Paisley Park Studios. 20:10.740 --> 20:14.140 I was in Minneapolis doing a commercial for, 20:14.140 --> 20:18.980 yeah, of course, Sam Goody's music land. 20:18.980 --> 20:22.700 And it was like a three or four day shoot 20:22.700 --> 20:24.540 and on the second or third day 20:24.540 --> 20:28.860 in the quarter to 12, he almost midnight. 20:28.860 --> 20:31.860 There was, you know, got a phone call 20:31.860 --> 20:33.260 and someone said, hey, you know, 20:33.260 --> 20:36.900 Prince has a little party going on at the studios. 20:36.900 --> 20:37.740 Do you want to come? 20:37.740 --> 20:39.180 And that's where Paisley Park Studios are 20:39.180 --> 20:41.700 and that's where Prince's from Twin Cities. 20:41.700 --> 20:43.700 And so, you know, are you interested? 20:43.700 --> 20:45.260 And I said, well, let me think. 20:45.260 --> 20:46.660 Yeah. 20:46.660 --> 20:47.500 And I said, well, great, 20:47.500 --> 20:49.260 because the car is waiting outside. 20:49.260 --> 20:50.660 All right, this is cool. 20:50.660 --> 20:54.620 So, hopping the car, go over and it's about, 20:54.620 --> 20:56.620 I guess it was a 35 minute drive. 20:56.620 --> 20:58.980 And then all of a sudden there's Paisley Park, 20:58.980 --> 21:03.700 all lit up in purple, you know, kind of sitting up on a hillside. 21:04.500 --> 21:07.800 through beautiful white metal detector. 21:07.800 --> 21:10.780 There's very indirect lighting 21:10.780 --> 21:14.600 and ushered into a room which was probably, 21:14.600 --> 21:21.460 I don't know, maybe half a football field. 21:21.460 --> 21:25.040 And there was nothing but beautiful people there. 21:25.040 --> 21:27.100 And there was all kinds of Prince tunes 21:27.100 --> 21:28.860 that I'd never heard before. 21:28.860 --> 21:32.260 All kinds of incredible stuff with DJ playing them live 21:32.260 --> 21:34.580 from CDs and mini discs and, you know, 21:34.580 --> 21:38.420 clearly all kinds of unreleased studio material. 21:38.420 --> 21:41.100 It was great, all kinds of healthy food set to one side. 21:41.100 --> 21:42.900 Everybody and, you know, nice, 21:42.900 --> 21:45.700 everything was white and everyone dressed nicely. 21:45.700 --> 21:48.540 And Prince was over there standing by a sound stack 21:48.540 --> 21:52.460 or actually the speakers behind the speakers. 21:52.460 --> 21:54.220 Just kind of checking everyone out and I said, 21:54.220 --> 21:56.220 you know, I gotta go over and talk to him. 21:56.220 --> 21:57.620 No, no, no, you can't do that. 21:57.620 --> 21:59.660 What do you mean I can't do that? 21:59.660 --> 22:02.340 Well, you know, like you're really tall and you're white. 22:02.340 --> 22:03.940 I'm like, fuck you. 22:03.940 --> 22:05.740 They invited me, I'm well, thank you for inviting me. 22:06.000 --> 22:13.560 to win over and first of all he's not as small as you think he is and that's that's like an urban legend he is and he wasn't a 22:13.560 --> 22:19.760 checked you know it wasn't like he was wearing extremely high heels but just from what I'd heard about him I expect him to be 22:19.760 --> 22:26.840 really small and I'm six three almost six yeah six four and just isn't isn't like that 22:26.840 --> 22:35.080 and he knew he'd been watching MTV he knew what the latest shows were that I'd done and we talked about music and 22:35.080 --> 22:44.320 talked about Europe and you know I thanked him for you know for inviting me to this place and yeah you know he's he was just 22:44.320 --> 22:54.100 really much more normal guy than you would think or maybe he comes across in his performance and even I and maybe I'm more 22:54.100 --> 23:01.740 blasay than next but I was pleasantly surprised and you know then I went back had a drink turned around I didn't see him 23:01.740 --> 23:07.220 and half an hour later or maybe it was an hour and a half later you know party was over and that 23:07.500 --> 23:12.620 is indicated by the security guards coming in and just kind of discreetly flashing their 23:12.620 --> 23:16.540 flashlights on the ground, just kind of flashing around everyone knows, oh it's time to go, 23:16.540 --> 23:21.980 and the music goes down a little bit and level, and we all walk out through the metal detector again, 23:21.980 --> 23:24.860 and I was driven home. 23:27.000 --> 23:34.000 my Prince story for you. And who knows, maybe someone will hear this and will say, you know, 23:34.000 --> 23:39.500 yo, Prince, his royal badness, something going on on the internet. You might want to check 23:39.500 --> 23:45.500 out Stranger Things have happened. Okay, I'm going to get this up to the server. Tomorrow 23:45.500 --> 23:51.400 will be Friday, which is my daughter's 14th birthday. So I will be doing a show. I'm not 23:51.400 --> 23:55.760 quite sure what time, but we're pretty, we're excited. We're not half as excited as she 23:55.760 --> 24:01.760 is about to no longer being 13. So I'll talk to you tomorrow on another edition of the 24:01.760 --> 24:04.240 source code and see you then. 24:04.240 --> 24:10.240 Bye. 24:10.240 --> 24:17.240 . 24:17.240 --> 24:20.940 ♪♪ 24:22.500 --> 24:23.940 ♪♪♪♪ 24:25.500 --> 24:26.940 ♪♪♪♪ 24:28.500 --> 24:31.180 Power of the door is gone.