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I'm gonna go from Curry Castle.

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So once again it's the
Thorscott.

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Good afternoon or good evening
or maybe even good morning.

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to this program. Welcome. My
name is Adam Curry. It's
Thursday. It is the, what is it?

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2nd of September 2004. And this
is actually this is my first
real source code where I've had
time

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to sit down and get some audio
clips together. Really write out
a, well, what we call in the
radio business

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a script of what we're going to
talk about today. We also call
the run down it, but it works
just like a

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start at the top and you work
your way down. I have it in my
radio user outliner, which is
I've

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actually been using for radio
production for, well, for the
past year during the warning
show.

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So source code, where users and
developers party together. We're
going to do our best party
really

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hard today. I want to talk a
little bit about how you, or how
I put my programs together. I
want to

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talk about what we actually some
vocabulary, maybe even about
what we're doing here because

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they're all kinds of

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words, audio blogs, shows,
morning coffee notes, evil
genius chronicles. I mean, there

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are all kinds of names floating
around. I want to try and see if
we can come up with

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some standardized thoughts on
that and what we call stuff.
It's important to, you know,

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if I say one word that you
understand, what word I'm
talking about, just as an
example,

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if I ask my daughter, Christina,
I was 14 and if I say, what's a
bookmark, the first thing

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she's going to say, I guarantee
you, is not going to be a strip,
a thin strip that you put

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in between the pages of a book.
Also available at Tiffany's in
Sterling Silver. No, of course,

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not. It's going to be, well,
that's something on your browser
that you can remember what

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page you were at, which of
course means the same thing. But
then again, it doesn't all
together.

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I actually want to talk about
this later, but I guess we'll do
it now since I've already gotten

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into it. So I'm calling these
things programs, which is a
perfectly valid use of the word
program

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because it's, so,

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It is a content in some form
that you're absorbing.

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And we talk about programs in
the broadcast world.

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Interestingly enough, we also
talk about programs in the
computer world and the world of

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internet.

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We also talk about formats in
the world of computers.

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RSS is a format.

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Isn't that funny?

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We talk about formats in
television and radio.

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And a format in radio is an
example as well.

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We have an oldies format.

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We play a 50 song at the top of
the hour.

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Then we'll play a 70 song.

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Then we'll play something from
the 80s.

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Then we'll go back to the 60s.

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And it's a format.

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It's a formula really for how
programs or if you want to call
records in that case, little

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mini programs are scheduled.

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And a program, yeah, what is a
program?

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It could be an application, a
program that does something on
your computer.

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Well, granted, maybe this is
really only the data that
programs use, but it's only from

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whatever vantage point you look
at.

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at it. So I think that these
bits and bytes that are coming
to you through electrical wires
and

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some of it through a thin air
and then produce something on
your computer is a program. It's

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doing something. You start it up
and it goes. Yeah, the icon is
an MP3 file, but I think program
works

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very well. So I listened to
Dave's 43-minute program, which
is Morning Coffee Notes, he was
driving,

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he was up in Canada.

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And it was really cool because I
noticed something absolutely
brilliant about what Dave is

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doing.

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He started off his show,
cranking up the B-52s on his car
radio.

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And I know I think as a Mike
just plugged directly and it was
laptop and he forget the name of

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his software, he's using what
he's posted about a couple
times.

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And so it records very well, but
when he cranks up the sound, it
doesn't sound all that bad

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if you compare it to, for
instance, mixing in an MP3 into
his recording feed.

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This was just analog.

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The microphone was basically
picking up the song, but it's
brilliant because there's

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an audio program creation
interface that we all know how
to use the car radio.

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When you want to talk over the
radio, you know how to turn it
down and it goes down.

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You could adjust the level of
the room so that you know that
your voice is loud enough

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so other people or a microphone
can hear you at that moment over
the music.

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And also, you know how to stop
and queue up a next record.

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It's an interface that you
understand.

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And really the car is a great
place to...

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record these types of programs.
I did one yesterday, and
although I didn't use all the
benefits

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of the car, besides the audio
system, which is great, as I
said, for putting in bits

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as long as you have a CD player
or a cassette player. But it's
also, in most cases, a very

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closed, silent environment. It's
like your own little recording
booth. We all have, if

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we have a car, then you have
your own recording booth. And in
my car, I have an Audi, man,

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it's really quiet on the inside.
Especially, of course, if you're
standing still,

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or if you're driving this whole
different story, you
theoretically have a power
supply

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in there, or you need a DC to AC
converter. And there's all kinds
of benefits. And if you

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have a hands-free phone setup,
because it's so quiet in a car,
usually, you could use that,

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the microphone will be able to
pick up the conversation well
enough. I mean, think

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about it. If you're in the car,
and you can hear the person on
the phone, then you should

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be able to put your mic in the
right spot.

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And then just about, you know,

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If you're doing stuff on a
laptop or a desktop, this
computer, and you're editing,
there's

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so many different tools that you
don't need to purchase a big
program to use.

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You can use essential skills
such as copy and paste to get
the job done.

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I use QuickTime quite a lot.

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Just open up an MP3 in a
QuickTime player.

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For instance, I have a song
queued up here by Boston, which
I want to play for you.

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All I have to do is just select
that quick time window and hit
the space bar and automatically

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start playing.

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It comes up really softly.

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Then, if I want to control the
volume, I hit up the key and the
arrow down.

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So now I've turned it down quite
a ways and I can turn it back up
again.

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You could do all kinds of
things.

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If you just hold down the shift
key and then hit the space bar,
it's going to play

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for a couple of seconds here.

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I'll hit the space bar again.

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I was holding down the shift key
that whole time.

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Now I'll do a control C which
would be on Windows, it's Apple
Key C on the Mac.

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So I copied that little bit, now
I hit control N for a new player
window, I hit control V for
paste,

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and now it pasted in that bit
that I just copied.

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So I could paste that again
until I'd have it twice.

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Okay so hopefully you get the
general idea. That's just a kind
of show that there's all kinds
of

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tools that we already use that
are perfect for today's
requirements for recording a
show.

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But still, anyone who's looking
to develop something, there's a
huge block hit for a very simple

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interface with the right
controls on it to do desktop
program creation of audio
programs at least.

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All right so let me play this
song of the day because I
haven't thinking about it.

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Because it is nice.

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But uh, second day of freedom.

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Here, Curry Castle.

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It is indeed more than a field.

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[ Music ]

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More than a feeling on the
source code.

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Ah, great song.

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Great, great, great, great,
great song.

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And more, think about it, these
programs are really going to
start competing with radio,

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but only specifically with radio
during drive time, which is what
we call that in radio business,

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is the morning drive time and
the afternoon drive time is when
people are driving.

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Why do you want that?

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Because that's when the most
people have nothing better to do
than listen to the radio

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or use their cell phone, but I'm
still quite confident and the
numbers do prove it.

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That if you have something
interesting enough or it's
listen worthy that you will beat
out

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over idle conversation.

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So we are competing.

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Well, we're also competing with
the record companies.

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So now people can have different
programs on their commute tune
from work, whether they're

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driving or jogging or cycling or
walking whatever.

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But the same goes for record
companies who will learn that.

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And iTunes music store, I mean,
we'll be computing with a whole
bunch of interesting

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people.

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And the great thing is, you
know, it doesn't have to really
cost more than web logging

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from where I see it, except for
this space and bandwidth.

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But that's the next step.

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That's where BitTorrent comes
in.

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But I don't think we're ready
for that yet.

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Quick story.

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You may have seen on the news in
the States last Tuesday.

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There was a helicopter crash in
Lantana, Florida, a bit of
aviation news for you.

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And that was actually a flying
buddy of mine.

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I just wanted to tell the story
really briefly because maybe you
saw it on the news.

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And what his experience was I
talked to him earlier.

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He was doing his check ride for
CPL, his commercial pilot
license rating.

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And he was asked to do an auto
rotation, which is basically
when your engine stops,

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you need to land the helicopter.

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And luckily you can land the
helicopter quite safely, quite
easily.

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The only trick is you gotta do
it right the first time.

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There's no second chance.

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You're down, you're down.

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if you didn't do it nicely, then
it could be messy.

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And if you walk away, that's a
good day and a good landing.

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But of course, you could land in
a rooftop.

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You could land all kinds of
places because you don't really
need much just enough air speed

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at the time when it happens. So
anyway, that process is called
auto rotation, which means the
rotor

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blades are spinning and getting
a certain drag due to the
inertia that was already in
there when they

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were spinning. So, you know,
there was still some spinning
motion going on. And then the
wind

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literally rushing up through the
blades keeps them turning. So
you can slow your descent enough

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so that right when you're at the
very bottom, you do what we call
as a flare. So you pull the
stick back

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which stops the helicopter. And
then you're going to give it as
much takeoff power as possible,
which,

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of course, you don't have.
You're really only turning the
blades to create an upward
effect. And then you

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can just settle to the ground
and you can put it down lightly.
So they were practicing one of
those.

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And the way you do it is...

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the examiner turns the throttle
all the way down so the engine
is idling and then you enter

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auto rotation and then in this
case he asks my buddy to recover
at 150 feet which means at 150
feet

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you're going to turn on the
you're going to roll the
throttle back on, pull up the
collective which

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gives you a powered flight again
and you continue on your way so
when they rolled up the throttle
at 150 feet

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the engine died. Now they had
obviously they had enough
forward speed to make it down
but here's

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the crazy thing that I don't
know why they did this but they
just it's not right too. They
decided

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to try and restart the engine in
that last 150 feet and this is a
Robinson 22 and if you

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have flown them you don't want
to you what you want to do is
you want to wait 10 seconds till
you're

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on the ground and then you want
to see if you can restart it
basically. So they landed in a
cornfield

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and the drawback of that is that
they still had a bit too much of
forward speed.

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You're on skids it's not a flat
surface.

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So the aircraft turned 90
degrees and they rolled over
five times.

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And when you land in a
helicopter and roll over, it's
kind of the reverse of a
snowball

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effect.

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You know, everything comes
flying off.

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Literally, it was left as this
little capsule with the two guys
seeing it and both of them

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walked away from it.

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So excellent landing, a very
good day for them.

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But it was, they were bruised,
of course, and it happened right
near the airport.

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So everyone was on the scene.

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But what was messy about it is
he's a Dutchman and the FBI,
really, man, they flew in
immediately.

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Homeland Security was all over
it because he was a foreigner
who had crashed during a
helicopter

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course in Florida.

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His girlfriend had to go back
to, she was also there, had to
go back to the Netherlands

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for some college exam.

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So she had changed the ticket at
the last moment and went back
three days earlier.

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So it was really, really messy
and it took them a good day and
a half to get to.

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it all. But he said that once
everything was clear that he was
all on the up and up,

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there were very courteous and
made sure that he felt okay
about everything. And they

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weren't total Nazis, but it
definitely was pretty heavy, he
said. So anyway, I'm glad that

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he's very glad that he's okay
and I went on the ground and was
hurt. And I have my doubts

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about the Robinson 22. I have to
say, every single month, if you
look at FAA.gov or the NTSB.gov

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that's even better look at their
accident database, these
Robinson 22s, man, there's at

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least five or six a month that
come out of the sky.

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Okay, continuing on and this by
no means is going to be a 15
minute source code because
there's

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just too much to discuss. And
you know what? It doesn't matter
because isn't that exactly

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what these iPod devices are for
is to, if you're bored with the
music I play as my song

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of the day, zap through it, you
know, or kill me, whatever, just
cut me off.

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something else. That's the
beauty. When I listen to
conferences from, you know, like

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IT conversations once in a while
puts up a speech from a
conference. And if it is a part

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that's boring, you know,
something like park or just skim
right through it. Beautiful.

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So already, you know, you're
under something good and I've
blogged about this before when

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people start to parody what
you're doing in Steve Garfield,
that's the name that Dave Winer

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was looking for. Did a video
parody of me doing an audio
blog, which is hilarious. And I

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love it because you know, that's
the sincere form of flattery is
when somebody manteach

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you. But there's a couple of
misconceptions about what we're
doing. You know, very

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much like when web logs just
started and to this very day,
this comparisons between people

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who write on web logs and people
who write and get paid for it in
print publications mainly

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or sometimes even online
publications. Journalist versus
bloggers, this whole debate,
well,

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that's going to be the exact
same thing with these shows,
with these programs because

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Is it radio? Is it a blog post?
What are you trying to do? It's
unprofessional. It sounds like

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it's weird. You're recording in
your car. There's a studio. It's
not high quality. It

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would have all these same
discussions from the
professional people. But the one
thing that

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what happened there sound like
like...

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I'm sorry.

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Well, that was the battery on my
wireless mic that died, and now
my hard drive is spinning

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along, as I'm talking on the
internal speaker.

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So all right, that's a bummer.

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But that's exactly what I'm
talking about.

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It could have happened at a
better time, actually.

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That's perfect.

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See, in a professional setup,
that never would have happened,
because of course you've had

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three backups, and the battery
would have been switched over in
0.2 milliseconds.

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It wouldn't have been a problem.

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I was going to say is you can
always tell the professional
audio professional, the

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real audio professional when
they put on the audio
professional voice.

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Which sounds like this
everybody.

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I mean, this is exactly what
radio has become.

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If you listen to anything owned
by Clear Channel, literally,
it's one guy sitting in one
studio

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with, you know, 15 stations that
start local jingles.

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So it sounds like Bob, or the
lob sponge is coming to you from
W-H-T-Z.

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And I think the less we do with
the big voice shit, the better.

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Anyway, so people are calling
these blog posts, which they're
not.

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And I think the blog posts, you
know, that's even worse than
trying to shoehorn an old
metaphor

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into something new on the
Internet.

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It's like trying to shove a
metaphor into an internet
metaphor that's a metaphor of
something in the old analog
world.

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don't need to do that. We're
just using, I think what we're
doing here is just using web

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logs, the infrastructure to
distribute this stuff. It's RSS
2.0, it's the archive or web

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log. That's the kind of stuff
that's important. You can go
find old shows and we've already

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solved all of that. We don't
have to create new stuff. So
this is, I think, totally a
bootstrap.

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Just hook everything on top and
it should ride. We're going to
make it shine up a bit on

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the outside so that users, no
interest in development. Don't
see it. Just get the benefit

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of it. There was a clip that was
floating out there, which was
the manifesto against

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audio blogs. If you haven't
heard it, it's all over the
place. But what I found was the

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mashup version of that, which is
basically a remix of the
manifesto, which talks about how

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stupid the idea is of audio
blogging because you can't link
to anything.

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and every URL in this clip is
spoken out.

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You can check this out at
WhttpColumn forward slash
forward slash.

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Obviously, you can't link from
my voice to another site, a
weblogger URL.

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But I don't want you to sit here
and listen to me.

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I don't want you reading
anything.

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Here's a little clip of the
blogger mashup of the manifesto

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and I'll see if I have another
battery laying around while you
guys listen to this.

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Listen to me and pass the
volume.

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The end of power is scanned.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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They can't skip a boy.

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For the first time in human
history, you can have anything
you write read by millions of

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people, whether within days or
within hours.

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And all it takes to sound,
imagination, and the discipline
to put it something worth

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waiting.

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There are no obstacles anymore.

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So why must we create new ones?

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Just because you're going to be
able to do a real time,
three-dimensional,
high-definition,

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interactive virtual reality, fly
through with the inside of your
cat.

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Does that mean you should?

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Does that mean it belongs on
your website?

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This is not the legacy that we
want to leave.

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The stops are ridiculous
self-indulgence.

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And shut up and write.

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And if you want to copy this
without having to listen to all
of it, then bye.

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My God you confine me.

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At http.com or forwardslunch.

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forwardslunch www.ideowordst.com
forwardslunch.

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Audio hype and manifesto.txt

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Well great everybody good song
and I...

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Hello?

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Hello, oh crap.

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Okay, so there you have it.

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In 50 years of television, we're
still having the same argument.

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Writing is better.

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No, everything has its place.

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Everything has its place.

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Okay, moving right along.

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I've spoken a couple times about
Dave Weiner.

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He did an excellent morning
coffee notes from his car.

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I encourage you to check it out.

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You can listen to it at
scripting.com.

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And he apparently hadn't heard a
couple of episodes of source
code and loaded up on him for
his drive.

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And he's been driving for hours
every single day across country.

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And I was up in Canada as I
said.

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So he had like a total overdose
of Adam Curry.

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It must have been an hour and a
half worth at least of crap.

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But he said he loved it.

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And he actually inspired me to
talk about this, you know, the
pro guys versus what we're doing
in our programs.

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And he says he loves all the,
you know, the knowledge.

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on secroteurs, all the crap that
happens when shit doesn't work
and my wife walks in

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and that makes total sense is
exactly what we love about web
logs and the beginning and

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what we're still love about.

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It's raw, you know, it's, yeah,
you can make it as slick and
professional as you want, but

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be yourself and if you can find
the right tools to capture that,
then I think it's great.

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We've had a private conversation
about, and of course he is right
partially about the concept of
the iPod

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platform.

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I think everyone understands
when I talk about the iPod
platform.

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It's like, okay, here's this
thing that millions of them out
there and all we're doing is
we're storing our

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shit on them and we're buying
shit from the man, especially
for Dave Slusher, to put on it,
you know,

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or we're ripping the man off or
whatever.

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It's not quite working yet.

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And there's so much more can be
done with it because, you know,
we're connecting to our computer

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but we're not really connecting
them to anything except to a
program that lets you update
stuff on it.

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So let's move that perception
over to this iPod can do so much
more.

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I can subscribe to stuff.

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The problem, of course, is that
iPod is a trademark of Apple
computers.

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And there are so many other
devices out there.

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Granted, HP is now selling their
version of an iPod.

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But there's tons of other stuff.

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And I'm going to get back to
that just a little bit later
when I talk some technology
stuff

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about, well, something new that
can be developed.

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And I think should be developed
to get away from where we are
right now, which is basically

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updating iTunes, which
automatically talks to iPod.

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But of course we do have it now
on Linux, on Mac, and a Windows.

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So we're off to a good start
here, definitely, just messing
around.

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I think this is amazing.

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But of course, the question is,
do we need a new name or do we
not care about it?

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And personally, I think there's
a lot of value to be had from,
you know, no one's trying to

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commercialize the name iPod.

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platform, but we could probably
write on the co-tails of Apple's
marketing and go quite

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a ways with that.

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And there's danger in that as
well, but it's just like
iPodder.

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I called my script iPodder that
downloads everything onto your
iPod automatically.

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And I actually went back,
because I remember Dave Winer
wrote about it, the five steps
to

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picking a name for your company.

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And I went through all the steps
and iPodder was exactly the
right name, but of course,

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I broke on the URL.

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The domain name is not available
in any conceivable form that I'd
like.

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So of course that name is also,
I guess, worthless unless I can
capture the domain name.

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But again, I'm not interested in
commercializing this nor do I
think there's any value to it

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in what it does by itself.

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Every computer manufacturer,
every iPod device like MP3
manufacturing, other fuckers

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should...

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and you know, bundle this with
it and just make it all work so
that we can get on with

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making programs for it. That's
what the excitement is for me at
least. You know, I just don't

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see we can make any money on
that and I'm not looking for
that quite frankly.

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One thing I have done, and
Dave's suggestion is I
definitely needed for the source
code

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to have a better way to point
people to it because, and that's
where part of that manifesto

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is true is, you know, well,
where do I find the archive for
source code? You know, I've

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gotten this from a friend where
can I find the RSS link? So I
was lucky enough to register

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dailysourcecode.com and I think
that's probably propagated by
now. So if you go to the
browser,

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you get the archives of all the
different programs and of course
you can subscribe to the RSS

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feed there with enclosures and
I'll obviously I'm going to put
a link there to iPodder as

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well. Okay.

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So I see a format for these
programs emerging, which is
interesting.

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And maybe I'm just noticing it
because I'm used to listening to
radio and picking up the way a
format is put together.

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But we actually have a format
that I see, which is a tune at
the beginning or some music at
the beginning and often at the
end sometimes music underneath.

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But we are seeing some mixed up
stuff there.

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Also time stamping at the
beginning.

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This is my program for this is
the date that I'm recording
this.

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I thought for a second everyone
kind of agreed that 15 minutes
is right.

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But I was just again, I was
thinking about that.

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No, of course not right.

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If your commute is 40 minutes
and I'm cutting 50 minutes, you
know, you'll either sit in the
parking lot for 10 like you do
with radio or you'll wear it up
the steps or you'll pause it.

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And you'll continue on your
lunch break, or you'll never
listen to it again.

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In that case, hopefully you're
going to tell me so that I can.

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keep score of what the listeners
want. If it's just way too long,
please let me know.

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I think, of course, less is
more. I have to agree. But at a
certain point, you're just
boring.

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And if you don't know, if you're
talking to yourself and you're
not boring yourself,

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then it's either really
interesting or you need to be
checked.

31:43.500 --> 31:53.500
I picked up a program from
RasterWeb. Is that what I want
to say? Was that Raster?

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Oh, shoot. I think I didn't
queue that up properly. Well,
we're going to do this

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queuing together then. So we'll
find the right spot. He has an
objection to the format that I
use

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in the Dave Slusher uses or a
part of the format that we use.
Let me just search along with
you.

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I'm using QuickTime here. So
I'll speed through it and queue
up to the bit that I want you to
hear.

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To stay home. We are.

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Drop it for the next. Yeah, we
work.

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That's about it.

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Oh, one thing I didn't want to
mention is that it's a bad idea.

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I'm going to try to keep it
clean.

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You know, I try not to work
blue.

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I've noticed that at the curry
and Dave Slesher, they are
ill-naughty.

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Say some of the naughty words
and you know what words I'm
talking about there.

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Start with taxes and apps and
sometimes A's.

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There might be some other ones,
but you know, I don't even want
to get into that.

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You know, this is a family
broadcast here.

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Keep it clean.

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Keep it me.

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Okay. So obviously, totally your
choice.

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But I can tell you right now if
you ever listen to a source
code,

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it's me and it's raw as what you
get and there's all kinds of
profanity in there.

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And it may not just be words. It
could just even be the thoughts.

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So another format that I
stumbled across.

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This one came through the blog
bigger media feed which I'm not
quite sure what.

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into that because they just pick
up stuff from out there
apparently and perhaps the stuff

33:26.000 --> 33:32.000
well. It would make sense that
it's coming through a spidering
or indexing of some sort

33:32.000 --> 33:37.000
and they provide an RSS feed
which is updated continuously
and it's just weird, you know

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it's sometimes once in a while
the source code comes back on it
but there's all kinds of

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wacky stuff and some of the I
guess we call audio blog posts
are actually coming through.

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These are horrible because
they'll come through like with a
title that is audio one sound
quality

33:54.000 --> 34:00.000
horrendous usually because it's
recorded through a telephone and
no tags or metadata whatsoever.

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So I just didn't possible mean
to trace where it came from
which is really too bad for some
people

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in this case perhaps
exceptionally so because here's
another format that can be this
iPod platform

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can be used for with RSS think
about personal ads.

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Big life, boss.

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Big life, boss.

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Big life, boss.

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I'm very, very, very happy.

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Okay, so what I'd rather do is
point you to that clip, but I
have nowhere to point you

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to.

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So that's another thing we have
to continue to look at.

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And there are many freeware,
shareware, open source programs
that you can use to add metadata

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to your program.

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And if you don't know what
metadata is, and I think it's a
horrible name, by the way,

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it's basically just all the
catalog stuff that you want so
that, you know, hold on a
second,

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that's my phone.

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Where is it?

35:08.500 --> 35:09.500
Where's that?

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I'll call it back later.

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It's the guy from the air show.

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I'm going to the air show on
Saturday and Lely Stutt,
mid-Northen part of Holland in
the

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Polterlands, and I'll be sure to
take some pictures and post
them.

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He's calling about my slot time
for landing.

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Where was I?

35:30.500 --> 35:32.500
Right.

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So.

35:33.000 --> 35:39.000
So metadata is basically just a
little program and you fire it
up this application and

35:39.000 --> 35:44.000
you select your file, your MP3
file, and then you can add the
name, the artist, the composer.

35:44.000 --> 35:47.000
Of course it's total crap
because it's all geared for
music where I want it.

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So that's differently.

35:50.000 --> 35:51.000
And you choose a category.

35:51.000 --> 35:52.000
That's important by the way.

35:52.000 --> 35:59.000
You want to choose speech so
that it gets categorized
properly in people's playlists
and library

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systems.

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But composer, what kind of crap
is that?

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So I always put my email address
in there and my website at my
web blog address.

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Just a question I wanted to
throw out there that you could
respond to.

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My hard drive is starting to get
full.

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I've got about three gigs left
and I've been playing around
with stuff continuously for

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the past two weeks.

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You know the drill.

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Deleting this and that, find
anything larger than 10 megs.

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What is it?

36:24.000 --> 36:25.000
Kill your darling's time.

36:25.000 --> 36:27.000
That's a message.

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Kill your darling's time is what
it is.

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And I don't want to do that.

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And clearly what's happened is
my.

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iTunes library and my iFoto
library have filled up my hard
drive now.

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I like having.

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Stuff available pictures is not
not too bad you know i don't
mind archiving that off which
archive it to DVDs is that the
best firewire drive word about
firewire drive ever since my
last story.

36:52.500 --> 37:02.500
And is it is it does i photo
allow for an export that you
might say i want to see that
picture real quick or should i
throw a server somewhere i'm
just at a loss.

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What to do now you know i just
need more space on my laptop i
just need more space i don't
want to lug around an extra
drive if i.

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Either need to write something
really big a big file or if i
want to find that particular.

37:14.500 --> 37:22.500
A photo now the iTunes actually
is interesting i think it's just
going to take me an afternoon
and some thought but.

37:22.500 --> 37:35.500
I believe that i can make it so
with some shareware and open
source programs that are out
there that i'll basically use my
ipod as my music and digital
audio library and i think.

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and just clean out the entire
disk on my hard drive of
anything else.

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That's got to be 16 to 17 gigs
so that if I want to hear
something on my laptop,

37:45.000 --> 37:50.000
you know, I can just fire it up
and either it'll stream it in
from the iPod

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or it'll do a quick copy or
something like that.

37:52.000 --> 37:54.000
You know, I'll figure something
out.

37:55.000 --> 37:58.000
But if you have any ideas or
how, you know, let me know how
you do it.

37:59.000 --> 38:02.000
And how we can make that easier
for us because, you know, I'm
running this problem.

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Other people are going to run
into this problem.

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So again, here's where.

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Users and developers get to
party together.

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Just got a link from my buddy
Michiel Fainstra that the Dutch
Telegraph,

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the online edition iPodder and
link to iPodder from Mac and
iPodder for Windows.

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And it's calling this a very
interesting thing, which is cool
because the Telegraph is,

38:28.000 --> 38:29.000
what is that comparable with?

38:30.000 --> 38:32.000
It's the largest newspaper by
far.

38:32.000 --> 38:37.000
It has well over a million daily
subscribers for our country.

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That's a lot.

38:37.500 --> 38:43.500
But I think like USA today kind
of same type of bubble gum
content.

38:43.500 --> 38:45.500
Moving right along and I'm
almost done.

38:45.500 --> 38:50.500
There's a couple more things I
want to let you hear and want to
talk about.

38:50.500 --> 38:53.500
David slusher released getting
closures version 2.0.

38:53.500 --> 38:57.500
Now I still have right after
them done with this I'm going to
sit down and read through his
giga

38:57.500 --> 39:02.500
ginormous email and get
acquainted with him and talk to
him on a really on a one to one

39:02.500 --> 39:06.500
level about what we're doing
since we haven't officially met.

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I just haven't replied yet.

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It's really what I'm saying.

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But he released a version 2.0 of
his get enclosures and all kinds
of great stuff in there with

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the caching and it now does a AC
AC AC files apples format which
I see conversations is using

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so you can bookmark something on
your iPod and it'll you can go
back to it later if you

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decided to go watch listen to
something else.

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So all kinds of good stuff only
it's got a major bug in it.

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And I'm basically receiving 20
copies of stuff

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and my iTunes playlists are
being repopulated

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and there's all kinds of
duplicates everywhere.

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So I think we're stuck in some
kind of loop day

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and I'm gonna help you work
through it.

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I had this problem myself when I
was doing

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the iPodder script and quite
frankly,

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it may be the Apple script that
my Apple script

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you're using that's hosting.

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So let's dig into that together
so we can fix it

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because I love your script.

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I don't use the iPodder myself.

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I love your script and want to
help you develop it even
further.

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Okay, and then an email from
Andrew Davy

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and he says that he's been
listening

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to the source code from
Broadcast One.

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He's a student freelance coder.

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He says great to listen to show
the bridges

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the gap between users and
developers.

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tremendous complement. Now I
said, I'm going to quote him
here, I know that iPod and
iTunes go hand in hand.

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You've mentioned before about
needing solutions for other
portable audio devices on other
platforms, Windows, etc.

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Well, Windows Media Player 9
supports a large number of
portable devices and is
programmable,

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either via external applications
using COM objects and also
internally via plugins.

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So in theory, someone can write
a script to download and close
as an add them to the Windows
Media Player 9 Media Library.

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Furthermore, a plugin could then
automatically upload a new
device, a new audio to any
attached device.

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So we clearly need to look into
this. Windows Media Player 9
hackers.

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If you understand what COM
objects are, I'm sure it's just
a way to talk to the player

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through something that Windows
owns or we can write a plugin,
think about that a plugin.

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That would be great for... and
maybe that's the way to go.

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I wonder what Winamp has.
Winamp, I know, supports
plugins. That may be the perfect
place to do it. Damn. All right.
So thank you, Andrew Davy for
that excellent, excellent idea.

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Okay. I'm going to wind up with
a clip here that I caught off of
Memory Lane. That's the talk
interview show that Halley suit
does for IT Conversations.com.

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And she was interviewing David
Weinberger, who almost recently
he's known for his work on the
Dean campaign. And he was
talking about the Dean campaign
and his experience. And I picked
up this one piece that I wanted
to share with you because it
really sums up the current
political process were in and
the way it's been for centuries
probably.

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But just listen what he has to
say because he was there close
up with the Dean campaign. So
here the thing that to me was
thrilling about the Dean camp.

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and I project an assume it was
others as well.

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Other Diniacs was that here we
had a chance to take the
campaign back

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from these lying hypocritical,
chemical,

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political managers who have
taken over our country.

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Right, who are marketing
democracy.

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Not marketing democracy.

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The language of politics now is
language of marketing.

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All right, you listen to them
speak about the campaigns

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and how they're going to win

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and it is exactly the language
of marketing.

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It's demographic breakdowns,

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it's having messages and
delivering messages through a
number of...

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Exactly, they have learned
politics from the marketers

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and it seems to work.

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But the price of that is you get
your person 50% plus one.

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But the result of it is that you
have these horrendous campaigns

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like the one that's currently
going on between Kerry and Bush.

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That is, it's marketing without
the restraints.

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As bad as it can...

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Well, there you go.

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So while that clip was playing,
the battery on my transmitter
died and I don't have another

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spare.

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But that's okay because we're at
the end of the show for today
and I hope I got across

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what I was trying to get across.

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If you want to respond, I want
to comment on anything please
just drop me an email, adam

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at curry.com, curry.com, or
check out my website
live.curry.com.

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And I will be back tomorrow.

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Let's meet users and developers
for the source.

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