WEBVTT 00:01.500 --> 00:18.500 Good afternoon from Curry Castle. It's the Big 4 O birthday show. I'm Adam Curry. 00:18.500 --> 00:25.500 Today is Friday, September 3rd, 2004, and it was 40 years ago today that the nurse said 00:25.500 --> 00:30.500 in the Audentine Hospital, ma'am, if you don't push, we're never going to get this kid out. 00:30.500 --> 00:37.500 And that was me, born on this day in 1964. You listen to the source code. So good morning, 00:37.500 --> 00:42.500 good afternoon, good evening, wherever you happen to be listening to the show. But of course, 00:42.500 --> 00:50.500 it's probably on a commute from point A to point B. This is the only spot on your portable MP3 00:50.500 --> 00:58.500 player device that has a playlist where users and developers party together. So I've just been 00:58.500 --> 01:01.500 saying at home for my birthday today, nothing too special. 01:03.000 --> 01:08.000 Birthdays actually pretty big deal in the Netherlands. Typically the birthday boy or girl, 01:08.000 --> 01:11.000 hold on, we just took this off for a second. The birthday boy or girl will get, 01:12.000 --> 01:17.000 they'll have a special chair for them all decorated in the morning and presents are given 01:17.000 --> 01:25.000 in the morning and breakfast. We're not that Dutch per se, but since I'm home anyway, kind of chilling out. 01:26.000 --> 01:37.000 Yeah, just had a nice easy wake up call for my 40th, which is good, a nice way to ease into the 01:39.000 --> 01:44.000 the park where life apparently starts where everything begins at 40. Excuse me. 01:44.000 --> 01:48.000 My buddy from the radio show, one of my two colleagues, Alexander stopped by 01:49.000 --> 01:55.000 to another typical Dutch tradition and he actually drove for quite a distance to come here and he 01:55.000 --> 02:00.000 just stopped by just to have a cup of coffee and chat and he gave me the most awesome, awesome 02:00.000 --> 02:05.000 birthday gift. When we moved to the Netherlands, 02:04.500 --> 02:11.500 about over four years ago, I already had Curry.com, which I was using quite happily. 02:11.500 --> 02:16.500 And well, Curry.nl had been taken a long time ago by Hines, probably. 02:16.500 --> 02:19.500 And I guess they have as much right to it as I do. 02:19.500 --> 02:24.500 But Adam Curry.nl had been hijacked at the time. 02:24.500 --> 02:26.500 I was like, yeah, whatever, I've got Curry.com. 02:26.500 --> 02:29.500 I was never really planning on doing a Dutch weblog, which by now I've been doing it. 02:29.500 --> 02:30.500 Keeping in touch with a blog. 02:33.000 --> 02:37.000 it just became live.curry.com slash Dutch and you know what people find it anyway, it's no big deal. 02:38.000 --> 02:42.000 But what Alex and I did is he went through the time and the trouble and this is what makes 02:42.000 --> 02:48.000 us such a great gift to reclaim my domain name for me and it already links to my to my Dutch 02:48.000 --> 02:54.000 weblog. So that's and he also promises going to renew every single year. So it's the gift that keeps 02:54.000 --> 03:00.000 on giving really. Adamcurry.nl that's my Dutch weblog and still posting on it though a little 03:00.000 --> 03:08.000 less frequent as I used to and I was really doing the radio show in Holland and you know just 03:08.000 --> 03:13.000 keeping up with everybody. Now I'm focusing a lot more of my time and attention on the 03:13.000 --> 03:19.000 English weblog on curry.com. And I think I mentioned it yesterday just so you know that you can get to 03:19.000 --> 03:26.000 the archive of all of the source code shows by going to dailysourcecode.com that's dailysourcecode.com 03:26.000 --> 03:33.000 all three words written together. And the RSS feed if you want to subscribe to it we are pumping out 03:34.500 --> 03:42.500 So which means we have enclosures and those enclosures can be parsed by different aggregators, 03:42.500 --> 03:45.500 which will pull out the MP3 files for you. 03:45.500 --> 03:47.500 And if you feel like it, you can use the iPodder. 03:47.500 --> 03:55.500 Now available for Windows, for Macintosh, for Linux, also for Pocket PC. 03:55.500 --> 04:00.500 And I just got some really good news that there is a version that works with Windows Media 04:00.500 --> 04:03.500 Player. It hasn't been released yet. 04:03.500 --> 04:06.500 This is done by Erwin. 04:06.500 --> 04:11.500 And he based his code on the iPodder for Windows that works with iTunes. 04:11.500 --> 04:16.500 Now what's great about having a release for Windows, the worst with Windows Media Player 04:16.500 --> 04:21.500 9 is that Windows Media Player 9 already has all kinds of different connections with 04:21.500 --> 04:23.500 different media devices. 04:23.500 --> 04:27.500 So when we talk about the iPod platform, of course, we're only talking about all devices 04:27.500 --> 04:30.500 that are portable to play MP3 files. 04:30.500 --> 04:32.500 So this is a big breakthrough. 04:32.500 --> 04:35.500 And what I had hoped is, remember I told you that someone had... 04:36.000 --> 04:38.000 claimed iPodder on SourceForge. 04:38.000 --> 04:39.000 Now it's going to set up a central resource. 04:39.000 --> 04:42.000 Now if I don't see it appeared this afternoon 04:42.000 --> 04:45.000 or by tomorrow morning, then I am going to start up 04:45.000 --> 04:48.000 a central spot, which will probably be SourceForge. 04:48.000 --> 04:50.000 Just so we can aggregate all of these different scripts 04:50.000 --> 04:53.000 and have it in one spot and then have us 04:53.000 --> 04:58.000 get it probably find out if we get a good URL to point to it. 04:58.000 --> 05:01.000 But we really have to start pulling this together. 05:01.000 --> 05:03.000 Because it wouldn't be amazing if you could 05:03.000 --> 05:05.000 create a little toolkit. 05:05.000 --> 05:07.000 Here's a thought for you. 05:07.000 --> 05:10.000 If we create a little toolkit, let's say 05:10.000 --> 05:16.000 I want to publish a program and I already have the software 05:16.000 --> 05:17.000 to do it. 05:17.000 --> 05:18.000 But what I want is I want to make sure 05:18.000 --> 05:20.000 that my built-in audience who may not have already 05:20.000 --> 05:25.000 been exposed to iPodder, that they can basically just 05:25.000 --> 05:30.000 click on a standardized link, subscribe with iPodder, 05:30.000 --> 05:31.000 whatever. 05:31.000 --> 05:35.000 This link then will, if necessary, download a version 05:35.000 --> 05:37.000 appropriate for your system. 05:37.500 --> 05:40.500 including the feed that you just subscribed that you just looked at. 05:40.500 --> 05:45.500 So they'll have one or however feeds that particular program producer wants to put in there. 05:45.500 --> 05:48.500 And if you already have an iPodder, then of course it would hopefully only 05:49.500 --> 05:51.500 subscribe you to to that feed. 05:52.500 --> 05:56.500 I know it sounds trivial, but these are the things we still haven't gotten working on weblog. 05:56.500 --> 05:59.500 So I think we have quite a way to go on that one. 06:01.500 --> 06:02.500 Lawrence Lee sent me a note. 06:03.500 --> 06:10.500 And he too was interested in the iPod platform and working with iPodder. 06:11.500 --> 06:16.500 And he said, well, you know, there's a couple of different angles we should we could approach this from. 06:17.500 --> 06:23.500 At the rate we're going, we're going to wind up with many, many different scripts for many different devices. 06:24.500 --> 06:28.500 Wouldn't it be simpler to create one centralized aggregating resource? 06:28.500 --> 06:30.500 And that's where that's where I say, I don't know. 06:30.500 --> 06:38.500 I don't think so. You know, I think that this stuff has to be so decentralized, not just because of the load because there is death. 06:39.000 --> 06:43.000 definitely load when you're doing any type of central aggregation. 06:43.000 --> 06:47.000 But also for control, there should be no control, there should be no one in the middle 06:47.000 --> 06:52.000 to grab control or for even to be the possibility of having some kind of control. 06:52.000 --> 06:55.000 I just don't think that's a good idea. 06:55.000 --> 07:00.000 But certainly something that we need to look into before we blow it off entirely or at least 07:00.000 --> 07:04.000 that I think we should look into different ways of approaching this problem. 07:04.000 --> 07:09.000 But as I said, I'm really happy with Erwin's Wendell Media and Windows Media Player Number 07:09.000 --> 07:10.000 9. 07:10.000 --> 07:11.000 Hi Anya. 07:11.000 --> 07:12.000 What is this? 07:12.000 --> 07:13.000 Huh? 07:13.000 --> 07:15.000 From the close to fans. 07:15.000 --> 07:16.000 Oh, I'd play that. 07:16.000 --> 07:17.000 Yeah. 07:17.000 --> 07:18.000 Yeah, nigga. 07:18.000 --> 07:19.000 Okay. 07:19.000 --> 07:20.000 It was off the safe. 07:20.000 --> 07:21.000 Yeah. 07:21.000 --> 07:22.000 Okay, don't kill. 07:22.000 --> 07:24.000 I was on your… 07:24.000 --> 07:27.000 She helps out of here. 07:27.000 --> 07:32.000 And so when I dropped off a nice gift for me, a nice bottle of something. 07:33.000 --> 07:34.000 Okay. 07:34.000 --> 07:35.000 Very nice. 07:35.000 --> 07:36.000 Thank you. 07:36.000 --> 07:38.000 Thank you very much. 07:38.000 --> 07:39.000 Great. 07:39.000 --> 07:40.000 So this… 07:40.500 --> 07:45.500 the Windows Media Player 9. I think that's a big win right there because it's basically, 07:45.500 --> 07:49.500 you download the script, it brings the stuff in, you have a feeds file, you drop anything 07:49.500 --> 07:54.500 into that feeds file you want, and Windows Media Player 9 can already sync up with a whole bunch 07:54.500 --> 08:03.500 of different portable devices, and probably they have the, it's set up with vendors of MP3 players 08:03.500 --> 08:10.500 so that they can, I guess, get something into an update of Windows Media Player or something 08:10.500 --> 08:14.500 that's downloadable so it syncs up. I mean, that would only make sense that they're working hard 08:14.500 --> 08:23.500 on that, so we can piggyback on all of that work. I also got a request to discuss the legal issues, 08:23.500 --> 08:32.500 specifically of playing music during one of these programs, and I don't think I want to go there, 08:32.500 --> 08:38.500 I don't think I want to get into that discussion on this program, or I don't really want to get 08:38.500 --> 08:41.500 into it at all, because it's, it's, it's, 08:42.000 --> 08:45.000 such a big discussion that will really bog down the work we're doing. 08:45.000 --> 08:50.000 In the case of source code, first of all, the rules are a little bit different in Belgium 08:50.000 --> 08:53.000 and in the Netherlands and in the EU in general. 08:53.000 --> 08:59.000 So, you know, there's, I'm not too worried about the RIAA clamping down on me because quite frankly, 08:59.000 --> 09:03.000 I'm outside of the jurisdiction and reach and there's no partnership agreements whatsoever 09:03.000 --> 09:05.000 on that front. 09:05.000 --> 09:11.000 Or at least as far as I know, there's no agreements on that front. 09:11.000 --> 09:20.000 But also, you know, most of the stuff I'm playing, I've played so many times throughout my radio career. 09:20.000 --> 09:27.000 I've made definite money for people along the way and I don't think that anyone who owns 09:27.000 --> 09:32.000 the copyrights on these pieces of music, which I know most of them personally or I've met 09:32.000 --> 09:35.000 at least once, they'll make a big deal out of it. 09:35.000 --> 09:41.000 And, you know, copyright laws can't be intended so that when we're working on development 09:41.000 --> 09:43.000 and research, that's exactly what we're doing here that we can't... 09:43.500 --> 09:50.500 you stuff that's out there to do this type of research. Now if I was trying to make money on this in some other way, 09:51.500 --> 09:55.500 that might be open for discussion and I think that it's something that should be discussed, not right now. 09:55.500 --> 09:58.500 You know, now we're in R&D mode, we're digging down and trying to get 09:59.500 --> 10:03.500 trying to get everything working. And I think we're having a lot of success. The 10:04.500 --> 10:06.500 the Dutch Telegraph, 10:07.500 --> 10:13.500 as I said yesterday pointed to the inquire article and to the iPod or scripts both the Mac and the Windows version. 10:13.500 --> 10:19.500 And traffic has been amazing. I think a lot of feedback here from people in the Netherlands. 10:20.500 --> 10:22.500 Let me just see 10:25.500 --> 10:29.500 I guess, Lawrence Lee, who had the, I think I messed it up there. 10:29.500 --> 10:35.500 Lawrence Lee had the legal question, and it was Andrew Davy, who had the question of 10:35.500 --> 10:39.500 centralizing the aggregation. 10:39.500 --> 10:44.500 Or perhaps, here he says something interesting here. 10:44.500 --> 10:47.500 He believes the development of community should work together to create an application that 10:47.500 --> 10:53.500 handles the nitty gritty of RSS parsing and provides a simple extensibility model for other 10:53.500 --> 10:54.500 people to plug into. 10:54.500 --> 10:58.500 Okay, so he's saying, why don't we build an aggregator? 10:58.500 --> 11:01.500 And that may make sense, but again, you're going to get into, I think you're going to 11:01.500 --> 11:05.500 get into Holy Wars of what language do we use? 11:05.500 --> 11:09.500 And I think it's relatively simple enough that, hey, if I could create one of these things 11:09.500 --> 11:11.500 to work, then almost anybody can. 11:11.500 --> 11:15.500 And all we need is a couple of good versions that connect with all the right bits, and 11:15.500 --> 11:17.500 I think will be good to go. 11:17.500 --> 11:19.500 So anyway, I sent everyone a note back. 11:19.500 --> 11:25.500 He was going to talk to Peter who created the original iPodder for Windows, who asked 11:27.000 --> 11:28.000 because he used some of his code, 11:29.000 --> 11:32.000 well actually what he did is he removed the Apple script, 11:32.000 --> 11:35.000 or the iTunes code and put in the Windows Media Player 9 code. 11:35.000 --> 11:38.000 So already we're working modular across the board. 11:38.000 --> 11:40.000 Very, very fun to watch. 11:41.000 --> 11:44.000 Something that I watched on my computer yesterday 11:44.000 --> 11:47.000 was the most recent Apple keynote 11:47.000 --> 11:50.000 from the Apple Expo in Paris. 11:53.000 --> 11:55.000 Well, although he can't help it, 11:55.000 --> 12:00.000 it was very disappointing that Phil Schiller did the keynote 12:00.000 --> 12:03.000 because I'm a big Steve Jobs keynote fan. 12:03.000 --> 12:05.000 I love watching the way he presents, 12:05.000 --> 12:07.000 and how he handles the stage. 12:07.000 --> 12:09.000 And it's really a joy to watch him do that. 12:09.000 --> 12:11.000 Phil Schiller actually did a pretty good job. 12:11.000 --> 12:15.000 And it was fun to see how a format of a show like that, 12:15.000 --> 12:17.000 because you know exactly what's gonna happen, 12:17.000 --> 12:17.000 right? 12:17.000 --> 12:18.000 He's gonna talk up some stuff in the beginning 12:18.000 --> 12:20.000 and run through some of the stuff you saw 12:20.000 --> 12:23.000 at the previous developer conference keynote. 12:23.000 --> 12:25.000 It brings three vendors on stage, 12:25.000 --> 12:27.000 one of the internal guys, they'll sit, you know, 12:27.000 --> 12:29.000 stand behind their Mac show off their... 12:28.500 --> 12:35.500 stuff, then you get some other wind up, some stuff in the middle, and then one more thing, 12:35.500 --> 12:39.500 then we need the box to rise out of the stage. It has the new iMac on it, which by the 12:39.500 --> 12:45.500 way does look very sweet. So that format was already there. That was cool, and Phil just 12:45.500 --> 12:51.500 kind of fit right in there. But even though he did a different, amazing job, he still doesn't 12:51.500 --> 12:57.500 have that presence that Steve has. And of course, that's because Steve Jobs was a 12:58.500 --> 13:05.500 operated on, and he was at home recuperating. Phil Schiller said during the keynote that Steve 13:05.500 --> 13:10.500 would be back in September. So I guess he's just about ready to start now. Although the one thing, 13:12.500 --> 13:17.500 and these types of things they say about CEOs who are out of action, 13:19.500 --> 13:25.500 I think hopefully most people care right off. How is Jobs doing? Is he okay? Is he 13:25.500 --> 13:35.500 and your house is health? Unfortunately, the investment community. 13:30.000 --> 13:34.000 meaning Wall Street is paranoid about this type of stuff and they really want to know 13:34.000 --> 13:40.000 how is he doing? Is he coming back? And it's important to them for their investment strategies 13:40.000 --> 13:46.000 and because it will, it's already affecting the content, no matter what. 13:46.000 --> 13:54.000 When when Schiller did is I chat AV demonstration, if it all possible, that's where I would have 13:54.000 --> 13:59.000 said, hey, you know, why don't you I chat Steve at home where he's recuperating? I mean, 13:59.000 --> 14:03.000 if he's going to start in a couple of days or a couple of weeks, then presumably he would 14:03.000 --> 14:08.000 be fit enough to do that. Of course, I didn't choose to do that and that it only makes me 14:08.000 --> 14:17.000 hope that Steve Jobs is recovering very well and either didn't think of it or it was too 14:17.000 --> 14:21.000 late for him or whatever, but that if he really is a fully recovered or almost there, that 14:21.000 --> 14:26.000 would have been great. Just from a show perspective, you know, again, all I want is the best for 14:26.000 --> 14:31.000 anyone certainly when it comes to health. So, let's see. 14:31.500 --> 14:36.500 There was a little more in-depth demonstration of Safari RSS. 14:36.500 --> 14:43.500 And I remember commenting, I think on my web blog about the unveiling of Safari RSS. 14:43.500 --> 14:48.500 I thought jobs, uncharacteristically, didn't do a very good job of explaining what you 14:48.500 --> 14:55.500 can use this for and what Safari RSS will give you, what kind of benefits it will give you. 14:56.500 --> 15:01.500 Phil Schiller did a much, much better job. 15:01.500 --> 15:04.500 And it looks like these guys really put together something excellent. 15:04.500 --> 15:08.500 It's basically, it's a built-in aggregator, but not just an aggregator where you can 15:08.500 --> 15:09.500 subscribe to stuff. 15:09.500 --> 15:13.500 You can easily make up sets of aggregated content. 15:13.500 --> 15:18.500 So you can say, here's all of my feeds that I'm subscribed to. 15:18.500 --> 15:21.500 And they do that with bookmarks, by the way. 15:21.500 --> 15:24.500 I'm going to make a collection, so I want all my computer feeds here. 15:24.500 --> 15:30.500 And I think you can mix and match and slice and dice those collections almost on the fly and create a new one. 15:30.500 --> 15:32.500 So you can just be looking at subsets. 15:33.000 --> 15:35.000 that's of your already pre-aggregated data. 15:35.000 --> 15:36.000 And then when you have that, 15:36.000 --> 15:39.000 you can also search through that aggregated 15:39.000 --> 15:41.000 through those aggregated feeds. 15:41.000 --> 15:43.000 And you keep changing your view. 15:43.000 --> 15:44.000 So not really getting results, 15:44.000 --> 15:47.000 but you're getting different feeds. 15:47.000 --> 15:48.000 And there's even a slider bar 15:48.000 --> 15:51.000 so you can say, okay, how much content do I wanna read 15:51.000 --> 15:56.000 underneath each entry in this aggregator 15:57.000 --> 15:59.000 so it can be one line of text 15:59.000 --> 16:01.000 or the entire text or anything in between. 16:01.000 --> 16:03.000 And it's just, it blew me away. 16:03.000 --> 16:06.000 It looks like a really, really good aggregator. 16:06.000 --> 16:07.000 Now, of course, the questions are, 16:07.000 --> 16:10.000 will it support enclosures? 16:11.000 --> 16:14.000 And here comes the big plea, hey guys, 16:14.000 --> 16:16.000 could you please connect it to iTunes? 16:16.000 --> 16:17.000 Wouldn't that be great? 16:17.000 --> 16:20.000 It would certainly make this, 16:20.000 --> 16:23.000 well, we're trying to achieve a lot more robust 16:23.000 --> 16:25.000 and much easier for people to use. 16:25.000 --> 16:29.000 And it could open up an entire market. 16:29.000 --> 16:32.000 So that's a question that remains to be seen, 16:32.000 --> 16:34.000 but I'm very bullish on Safari. 16:34.500 --> 16:39.500 because they've got to have a database under the hood too. 16:39.500 --> 16:41.500 It's very excited about that. 16:41.500 --> 16:44.500 Of course, that'll be at least another, 16:44.500 --> 16:48.500 probably another seven to eight months before that comes out, 16:48.500 --> 16:52.500 maybe even longer, they're talking about second half of 2005. 16:54.000 --> 16:56.000 So remaining with Apple, oh, here's something I noticed. 16:56.000 --> 16:58.000 It's just kind of cool. 16:58.000 --> 17:04.000 Here's something, you know, if you have an iPod, and I'm sure that most of these earphones 17:04.000 --> 17:08.000 are built in a similar fashion, the iPod actually, I'm going to take one out now because 17:08.000 --> 17:14.000 I'm wearing them, listening to the monitor of the recording. 17:14.000 --> 17:18.000 The two ear plugs are different. 17:18.000 --> 17:23.000 It even has one has an L on a right, indicating L on R, indicating left or right ear to 17:23.000 --> 17:26.000 be inserted into. 17:26.000 --> 17:30.000 But they're not symmetrical. 17:30.000 --> 17:33.000 So they are built in a certain way that you can actually put it in. 17:33.000 --> 17:38.000 It goes underneath, kind of, I'm sure that has a name, I should Google that. 17:38.000 --> 17:40.000 What's that little thing on the inside of you? 17:40.000 --> 17:42.000 The little inner low, I guess. 17:42.000 --> 17:46.000 And then it kind of just hangs behind there and just kind of sticks in there and it's a real 17:46.000 --> 17:47.000 comfortable fit. 17:47.000 --> 17:53.000 I noticed something the other day when I was in a group of different people. 17:53.000 --> 17:55.000 And remember, I'm 40 now, so you may... 17:55.500 --> 18:01.500 not to have the same results with people you know. But I, this is great. I found out that 18:01.500 --> 18:09.500 people who have had a facelift can't wear these earphones because a part of it, and of course 18:09.500 --> 18:15.500 has to be a serious facelift. So what they do is they pull the skin of the face back towards 18:15.500 --> 18:20.500 the ear. You'll see people who had a couple facelift, you'll see their ears are kind of on the 18:20.500 --> 18:24.500 back of their head. But in the process of doing that, it kind of tightens everything in that 18:24.500 --> 18:32.500 that inner load part just becomes straight. It doesn't really have a little piece sticking 18:32.500 --> 18:37.500 out where you can clip an iPod earphone behind. So just thought that was interesting, a 18:37.500 --> 18:48.500 little faxoid. And of course that would open up a market for facelifted earplugs. And one 18:48.500 --> 18:56.500 other thing looking at this entire keynote is that Apple along with... 18:57.000 --> 19:02.000 most other companies that are in the business of MP3 players, all they talk about is music. 19:02.000 --> 19:04.000 That's all they talk about. 19:04.000 --> 19:08.000 The iPod is for music, it's for bouncing, it's for, you know, look at the commercials. 19:08.000 --> 19:13.000 It's, you know, listen to different music, share music between different computers, stream 19:13.000 --> 19:16.000 music, buy music from the IT music store. 19:16.000 --> 19:21.000 I'm like, wow, you know, this is, why are they driving it all towards that? 19:21.000 --> 19:25.000 I haven't heard anything about different uses of audio. 19:25.000 --> 19:26.000 And there are so many different uses. 19:26.000 --> 19:31.000 It seems like we're not only have we forgotten what you can do with audio because we're 19:31.000 --> 19:33.000 so video-minded I presume. 19:33.000 --> 19:36.000 Just like we were rediscovering the written word and web logs and how powerful it can be 19:36.000 --> 19:42.000 and what you can achieve just by writing something, we're going to go, I predict that we're 19:42.000 --> 19:48.000 going to have a kind of reinvention of the wheel with video and audio, of course, will 19:48.000 --> 19:51.000 probably happen a little bit sooner just because it's easier. 19:51.000 --> 19:56.000 You know, we're able to transfer these large audio files and video files, you know, it's, 19:56.000 --> 19:58.000 I think they're still a little bit too big right now for the... 19:58.500 --> 20:03.500 hard to space and processing power well processing power is okay but bandwidth certainly is a problem. 20:03.500 --> 20:11.500 So anyway they're just not talking about it and you know that I find that kind of weird because we're 20:11.500 --> 20:16.500 you know we're going to go through people creating you know the old fashioned radio shows where people 20:16.500 --> 20:22.500 are acting stuff out and and interviews and there's just so much more but not a word everyone's talking 20:22.500 --> 20:28.500 about music as if you know that's the only thing we can do with these devices so go figure. 20:29.500 --> 20:35.500 I had hoped at least somewhere that people would pick up on audio books because you know I've 20:35.500 --> 20:41.500 been talking about audio books Dave Winer has been talking about audio books. A lot of people are 20:42.500 --> 20:49.500 using these I think that there's a definite market here. I fact I saw that a quote by the CEO of 20:49.500 --> 20:54.500 audible.com the other set of the other day saying that you know they're doing fantastic. I'm sure 20:54.500 --> 20:59.500 it's his job to say that but he the quote read pretty sincere. Now I've been 21:00.000 --> 21:06.000 to review an audiobook or two here on Source Code. And I thought I was going to step away from it, 21:06.000 --> 21:12.000 but then I thought, no, it's such a great part of the content of the iPod platform that isn't 21:12.000 --> 21:16.000 being talked about. I think we should do it. And there are lots of people who are listening to 21:17.000 --> 21:24.000 to audiobooks. And I reviewed a couple of them, but here's something cool that happened. 21:24.000 --> 21:31.000 Through Track Back, I received a comment on one of my audiobook reviews from Eric Rice. 21:32.000 --> 21:40.000 I'm going to pull up his page here because what he doesn't have is, hmm, I'll see. 21:41.000 --> 21:44.000 Oh, he has a little spinning beach ball of death. He's giving a second. 21:46.000 --> 21:53.000 So anyway, he's using, I think he's using audio blog.com to post his audio blogs. 21:53.000 --> 21:58.000 And I never used it, but from what I understand with audio blog.com, you best be set it up 21:58.000 --> 22:01.000 and then you dial in with a special phone. 22:01.500 --> 22:06.500 number or use do a select a phone code once you've dialed in. You record your audio blog, 22:06.500 --> 22:11.500 you press star or hang up, and then it automatically posts it onto your web blog. Well, so here's 22:11.500 --> 22:17.500 what happened. Eric is listening to Source Code in the car. He hears something about audio books. 22:17.500 --> 22:23.500 He wants to respond to it. He calls up his audio blog.com account and leaves the following message. 22:27.000 --> 22:29.000 There comes, hold on. 22:31.500 --> 22:34.500 everybody is there from air christ dot com 22:34.500 --> 22:37.500 on a very warm and beautiful when they hear in california 22:37.500 --> 22:41.500 uh... today's audio blog is actually for adam curry i a uh... 22:41.500 --> 22:44.500 like adam i drive a tremendous amount 22:44.500 --> 22:45.500 during the week 22:45.500 --> 22:49.500 and something we probably put similar miles on our cars and i'm looking to a 22:49.500 --> 22:51.500 daily source code mp3 22:51.500 --> 22:55.500 it's a kind of content that i can take with me a little bit different than some 22:55.500 --> 22:58.500 audio blog for audio blog more streaming the more momentary 22:58.500 --> 23:01.500 uh... probably takes more work to go ahead and load it up on your iPods and it 23:01.500 --> 23:04.500 does actually fit it play and 23:04.500 --> 23:06.500 figure out that the amount of the business with me so 23:06.500 --> 23:09.500 uh... he's talking about audio book and he talking about 23:09.500 --> 23:14.500 reviews of audio book and i have to pipe in here because i recently purchased 23:14.500 --> 23:19.500 at another audio book and i'm starting to do to join the audio book bandwagon 23:19.500 --> 23:22.500 primarily because of how much time i spend in the car 23:22.500 --> 23:24.500 uh... like everybody else got an iPod 23:24.500 --> 23:28.500 and i am hopelessly addicted to one book 23:28.500 --> 23:30.500 and i think it's because of the 23:30.500 --> 23:31.500 the reader 23:31.500 --> 23:32.500 the guy who narrates the story 23:33.000 --> 23:37.000 The book is something that probably most technical folks like. 23:37.000 --> 23:42.000 It's a cyberpunk thriller called Snowcrash by Neil Stevenson. 23:42.000 --> 23:45.000 I have the unabridged version and it's 18 hours long. 23:45.000 --> 23:50.000 I'll tell you, there is nothing cooler than listening to Snowcrash, especially if you like the novel. 23:50.000 --> 23:54.000 And driving, especially at night or when it's rainy and nasty. 23:54.000 --> 23:57.000 I've actually video blogged this before. 23:57.000 --> 23:59.000 It's a book that really just draws you in. 23:59.000 --> 24:02.000 Jonathan Davis does a phenomenal job of reading this. 24:02.000 --> 24:11.000 So I actually went on iTunes to search for more audio books that are read by Jonathan Davis. 24:11.000 --> 24:13.000 Now I know Jonathan Davis is a part of our work. 24:13.000 --> 24:16.000 There's just a little snippet from Eric Rice. 24:16.000 --> 24:18.000 So here's what I find phenomenal. 24:18.000 --> 24:22.000 So he wasn't necessarily responding to a book that I was talking about. 24:22.000 --> 24:27.000 But he was responding to audio to my program about audio books. 24:27.000 --> 24:29.000 And he gave me an idea. 24:29.000 --> 24:35.000 Let me tell you, Snowcrash by Neil Stevenson was the inspiration for Metaverse. 24:34.500 --> 24:38.500 which was a domain name that I registered in the 80s. 24:38.500 --> 24:40.500 It was a very early 90s. 24:40.500 --> 24:44.500 And I was right after MTV.com, that's right, Metaverse.com. 24:44.500 --> 24:46.500 And I actually had an agreement with Neil Stevenson 24:46.500 --> 24:49.500 that, you know, he said, you can use the domain name, no problem, 24:49.500 --> 24:52.500 as long as you don't merchandise the name, Metaverse for T-shirts 24:52.500 --> 24:54.500 or books or films, whatever. 24:54.500 --> 24:56.500 We had a little contract and it was perfect. 24:56.500 --> 24:58.500 And he actually thought it was quite an honor that, you know, 24:58.500 --> 25:01.500 he was this place in cyberspace called The Metaverse. 25:01.500 --> 25:05.500 If you've read Snowcrash, then you know that The Metaverse is basically, 25:05.500 --> 25:07.500 it's basically the net. 25:07.500 --> 25:10.500 It's the internet in this book and everyone can jack into it. 25:10.500 --> 25:12.500 But you really jack in 3D. 25:12.500 --> 25:18.500 So Snowcrash has such, you know, I love that book. 25:18.500 --> 25:19.500 I really did. 25:19.500 --> 25:23.500 It gave me a whole different view on where we might be going in the future. 25:23.500 --> 25:27.500 So I thought, hey, you know, if there's an audio book version 25:27.500 --> 25:31.500 and Eric Rice, who apparently really appreciates the speaker, 25:31.500 --> 25:34.500 you know, then this is a book that I want to have. 25:34.500 --> 25:36.500 And yeah, I think I can... 25:36.000 --> 25:41.000 and divvy up 18 or 19 hours worth of listening to Snowcrash. I'm sure, yeah, I mean do it. 25:43.000 --> 25:48.000 So the real interesting thing here is this feedback loop that was created. 25:48.000 --> 25:52.000 Let me talk about what happened first, and I'll get back to the feedback loop. 25:52.000 --> 25:59.000 So check how the flow of money went on this. So Eric says, check out Snowcrash. 25:59.000 --> 26:05.000 I go to audible.com, and I'm like, you know, I hope they have it. Type it in Snowcrash. 26:05.000 --> 26:10.000 You know, Stevenson, yeah, on a bridge version. It's there. And then I see a banner up at the top. 26:10.000 --> 26:15.000 And believe me, I don't think I've ever purchased anything off clicking on a banner. 26:15.000 --> 26:20.000 But it was for John Stewart's new book, which audio book of his book. I guess he has a book, 26:20.000 --> 26:26.000 but this is the audio book version, which he goes through the history of America and democracy. 26:27.000 --> 26:32.000 And see, the Snowcrash book was $34.95. And I thought that was a lot of money for it. But you know, 26:32.000 --> 26:38.000 of course it's 7, 18 hours worth. But still, you know, I think I'm in. 26:37.500 --> 26:39.500 That's a lot of money for one book. 26:39.500 --> 26:43.500 John Stewart's book, on the other hand, was $7.95. 26:43.500 --> 26:47.500 I'm not sure how audible does this, but apparently it's like each time you buy a book, then 26:47.500 --> 26:52.500 you get a book credit, and then it's subtracted from your next purchase. 26:52.500 --> 26:56.500 So I had a book credit from my previous purchase, and what I thought was really nice is that credit 26:56.500 --> 27:00.500 was applied towards the $34.95 and not the $7.95. 27:00.500 --> 27:04.500 So I basically got the John Stewart book and Snow Crash for $7.95, and I feel really good 27:04.500 --> 27:08.500 about myself, and they're both in great quality with great speakers. 27:08.500 --> 27:12.500 And the John Stewart stuff, I haven't finished it all, so I don't want to do a review until 27:12.500 --> 27:15.500 I've heard all of it. 27:15.500 --> 27:16.500 But it is phenomenal. 27:16.500 --> 27:17.500 And it's exactly what I was talking about. 27:17.500 --> 27:24.500 He has different speakers, different voices, he has sound effects, he has, it's a real radio 27:24.500 --> 27:31.500 show almost with people acting out parts, and it's just so well put together. 27:31.500 --> 27:34.500 And he also has a very nice speaking voice for audio. 27:34.500 --> 27:38.500 So if the audiobook business doesn't... 27:39.000 --> 27:45.000 see this and see how simply it goes, you know, than they're crazy. And I think that we can be a part 27:45.000 --> 27:52.000 of that ecosystem one way or the other. See, there was everything else about the John Stewart book. 27:52.000 --> 27:55.000 Oh yeah, I do want to say something about John Stewart book. I want to say that, 27:58.000 --> 28:04.000 unfortunately, still can't seem to get a steady RSS feed of daily shows. But I know John pretty 28:04.000 --> 28:10.000 well because he started out, as many of you may know, at MTV, he had a show called the John Stewart 28:10.000 --> 28:17.000 show. And that was on about six or six or eight months before I left MTV to go and start my company. 28:18.000 --> 28:24.000 And we hung out at the very first MTV V-chows. And he's a really nice guy. And he was just at the 28:24.000 --> 28:30.000 wrong spot at MTV. You know, they were so overprotective because you couldn't piss anybody off, 28:30.000 --> 28:36.000 no record companies. You had to be politically correct. That's what the rock and roll video station was 28:36.000 --> 28:40.000 and still is today. And so Comedy Central of course got a... 28:40.500 --> 28:43.500 over the years because they had the same problem because it's also an MTV network, 28:43.500 --> 28:45.500 so via a common company. 28:45.500 --> 28:50.500 Somehow they were allowed to become the bastard child and of course they've been very successful 28:50.500 --> 28:56.500 with many shows on Comedy Central, think of South Park, think of Daily Show and of course 28:56.500 --> 29:05.500 this new comedian who I just saw on a bit torrent of Jay Leno, was in David Chappelle, America's 29:05.500 --> 29:10.500 funniest man and I'm also going to download the Dave Chappelle shows. 29:10.500 --> 29:21.500 So one thing that I of course I'm just astounded by is that Audible does not have RSS feeds. 29:21.500 --> 29:26.500 Think of the opportunity here, just think of the opportunity if I can create an RSS feed 29:26.500 --> 29:30.500 and say well I'm only interested in these types of books where I'm not interested in this 29:30.500 --> 29:37.500 or I like this particular staff pick so give me his or her recommendations in my feed. 29:37.500 --> 29:41.500 Oh it seems like so incredibly simple to do this stuff. 29:42.000 --> 29:46.000 And you know what? Maybe there's a market right there for someone putting together a feed 29:46.000 --> 29:51.000 of audio books. It doesn't necessarily have to be, you don't have to be selling them. 29:51.000 --> 29:55.000 You could be through an affiliate program. All kinds of opportunities with this stuff. 29:55.000 --> 30:00.000 Okay, so what I did want to say about the feedback loop of audio blog.com, that really connected 30:00.000 --> 30:06.000 to me because what's so great about radio is that you are always involved in a community. 30:06.000 --> 30:11.000 Typically, or at least the way I think radio works best, it's within a city, or within 30:11.000 --> 30:17.000 a certain region so that they're talking about stuff that you are familiar with. And not 30:17.000 --> 30:22.000 just some guy like sitting at Clear Channel pushing buttons, firing off local jingles. 30:22.000 --> 30:29.000 So on Philadelphia, it sounds like he's local and saying, you know, in Iowa. And another 30:29.000 --> 30:34.000 part of that community is that radio stations often use the telephone as the feedback loop. 30:34.000 --> 30:39.000 So you can call in. Yeah, you may not get on the air. In fact, you probably won't get on 30:39.000 --> 30:43.000 the air, but I'll tell you, on morning shows, there are many lists. 30:43.500 --> 30:47.500 who are regulars because they always have something funny to say and some of them eventually 30:47.500 --> 30:50.500 get a hotline numbers they can call in directly. 30:50.500 --> 30:54.500 But most of the time the calls are screened at larger market stations and these people are 30:54.500 --> 30:56.500 professionals they know how to pick someone funny out of the... 31:01.500 --> 31:05.500 to create that feedback with which is a beautiful one if you think about it because here you are 31:05.500 --> 31:10.500 you're listening to the radio you're listening to a talk show you hear someone say something you hear 31:10.500 --> 31:14.500 a phone number you pick up the cell you dial it you talk to a producer if you're lucky you get through 31:14.500 --> 31:21.500 you're on the air boom you know you're on the radio you're in the loop now our system won't work as 31:21.500 --> 31:26.500 immediate as that but of course it doesn't have all the drawbacks of a centralized system as well 31:26.500 --> 31:33.500 mainly that you can't own one and you can't have one but we can use this audio blog system 31:35.500 --> 31:40.500 now I thought about it just briefly last night before I went to sleep and we have to have some 31:40.500 --> 31:49.500 kind of way of trying to tie in you know maybe if this is the source code for for September 3rd 31:49.500 --> 31:53.500 when you dial into a special number you're going to say okay I'm responding to the source code 31:53.500 --> 32:01.500 September 3rd and maybe you you type in oh nine oh three oh four and then it knows that wherever it 32:01.500 --> 32:10.500 sends this 32:03.000 --> 32:10.000 your message to it knows to attach it to that audio blog post or to that particular show in 32:10.000 --> 32:15.000 the ART program and the archive, which could be here we go I'm thinking now I know developers 32:15.000 --> 32:24.000 out there help me out here. In theory I think it should be possible to make use of the comments element 32:25.000 --> 32:35.000 in RSS 2.0 and I think that if I'm mistaken the comments can also have their own RSS 2.0 feed 32:36.000 --> 32:43.000 and then those would include enclosure attachments of the audio blog responses. 32:44.000 --> 32:49.000 Now the first thing I thought in this structure is okay that's great but we're going to get lots and 32:49.000 --> 32:55.000 lots of spam of people calling up and I said well you know what? No we won't because we're going to 32:55.000 --> 33:01.000 charge him. If you want to comment then you know you're going to have to pay a little bit so that 33:02.000 --> 33:04.000 the service is paid for and so 33:04.500 --> 33:07.500 that the feedback loop is completed and also to combat spam. 33:07.500 --> 33:14.500 If people had to spend money on email spam, there would be a hell of a lot less spam. 33:14.500 --> 33:17.500 So that should be fairly easy to set up. 33:17.500 --> 33:20.500 And maybe a way to make money. 33:20.500 --> 33:26.500 If you haven't got enough people who are compelled to drop 50 cents or a dollar or God knows how 33:26.500 --> 33:29.500 much, maybe 20 cents or 9 cents, I don't know. 33:29.500 --> 33:32.500 If you have enough or calling up, that could be interesting. 33:33.500 --> 33:35.500 But anyway, the feedback loop is the main thing. 33:35.500 --> 33:42.500 And I'm going to look into audio blog.com and see what kind of API, the application programming interface. 33:42.500 --> 33:51.500 See what we can do if we can talk to it, if we can tie it into existing programs and 33:51.500 --> 33:54.500 then in an archive using the current weblog technologies. 33:54.500 --> 34:01.500 And they sound a little bit discombobulated, but it is because I'm still trying to figure it all out. 34:01.500 --> 34:05.500 Okay, we are damn 34 minutes into this. 34:05.500 --> 34:05.500 It's my birth. 34:06.000 --> 34:11.000 day today so I get to select the song of the day and I chose for a classic by Jackie 34:11.000 --> 34:17.000 DeShire. What the world needs now is love, sweet love, people are thinking. 34:18.750 --> 37:16.250 [ Music ] 37:22.000 --> 37:26.000 I play a song on the day because someone came online and my eye chat definitely let me 37:26.000 --> 37:31.000 know about that in the middle of Jackie D'Shanan's what the world needs now, which is really my 37:31.000 --> 37:35.000 only true birthday wish. And that's it for source code for today. We'll be back to, 37:35.000 --> 37:39.000 no, promise myself we're going to do anything on weekend. So tomorrow, I'm at the air show 37:39.000 --> 37:44.000 and Lailie start all day. I'm being picked up at 10. We're flying in. I'll be there until 37:44.000 --> 37:49.000 about 5. And I will be updating. What I'll do is I'll see if I can keep the computer running 37:49.000 --> 37:55.000 here so I can do some GSM phone updates and also take the big camera for some really high 37:55.000 --> 37:59.000 quality pictures because there's going to be some classic planes there and if you're 37:59.000 --> 38:04.000 into aviation, it should be exciting. So look for that tomorrow on live dot curry dot 38:04.500 --> 38:09.500 If you want to respond just leave a comment there on the post for this program for today 38:09.500 --> 38:15.500 Or of course you can also send an email at atom at curry dot com and I will see you on Monday 38:15.500 --> 38:17.500 Have a good one everybody bye bye 38:21.000 --> 38:23.000 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 38:43.500 --> 38:45.500 I'm not sure I can win here. 38:45.500 --> 38:47.500 But I'm not sure I can win. 38:47.500 --> 38:49.500 I'm not sure I can win.