WEBVTT 00:01.500 --> 00:08.500 The game is over. 00:08.500 --> 00:11.500 The game is over. 00:11.500 --> 00:15.500 Well, this is my day. September 6th, 2004. 00:21.000 --> 00:26.000 comes to you either via download or maybe subscription through RSS and the iPodder. 00:26.000 --> 00:28.000 I'm not on curry and it is... 00:30.000 --> 00:33.000 we should think about breaking format right off the bat here for a second. 00:33.000 --> 00:38.000 First of all, it's my sister-in-law, Yvonne's birthday today, so I want to play a song 00:38.000 --> 00:39.000 for her. 00:39.000 --> 00:42.000 And everybody could do, use a little bit of energy on a Monday morning. 00:42.000 --> 00:46.000 And a long time ago, a couple of guys called the Easy Beats put a song together that really 00:46.000 --> 00:47.000 sums it up and really... 00:49.500 --> 00:51.500 if you need that boost on them. 00:56.250 --> 03:21.250 [ Music ] 03:31.500 --> 03:37.500 And actually, I realized that I did a very KC KC mask announcement a couple of guys 03:37.500 --> 03:40.500 a bit long time ago, called the easy bleeds deliverable. 03:40.500 --> 03:42.500 Anyway, sorry about that. 03:42.500 --> 03:43.500 Oh, memo to self. 03:43.500 --> 03:48.500 I have to find the KC KC long distance dedication, dead puppy snippet. 03:48.500 --> 03:49.500 That's a classic. 03:49.500 --> 03:55.500 And for those of you who know who KC KC is, I guess he's still on the air with his, what 03:55.500 --> 03:56.500 am I doing? 03:56.500 --> 03:58.500 He's not doing the top of the top 40 anymore. 03:58.500 --> 04:00.500 Well, anyway, countdown radio show. 04:01.500 --> 04:02.500 So I did a pretty good weekend. 04:02.500 --> 04:07.500 Saturday was really nice because I went to the air show at Laylee's South here in the Netherlands. 04:07.500 --> 04:10.500 And I was an invited guest, which meant I got to fly in. 04:10.500 --> 04:18.500 You had a PPR number, which means you have a previous prior request or you have a permission 04:18.500 --> 04:19.500 to land. 04:19.500 --> 04:23.500 It was cool, you know, because they had me land and then turn in right into the main stage, 04:23.500 --> 04:24.500 which is in front of the... 04:25.500 --> 04:28.500 thousand people there and then flew air your hover taxi to off to us. 04:30.000 --> 04:35.000 cool to do that. That's the moment when you like, I don't want to fuck this up. You know, let's look 04:35.000 --> 04:41.000 good. Well, we're having a taxi. But it was really nice. It was very well organized. They had, 04:42.000 --> 04:47.000 yeah, they really did a professional job. They were classic old planes to brand new VLAs. 04:47.000 --> 04:52.000 These very light aircraft, which really started out as experimental crafts and are now a lot of them 04:52.000 --> 04:58.000 are certified and very inexpensive to own and operate, but very luxurious and actually quite fast 04:58.000 --> 05:06.000 as well. And while I was, all they said, jet fighters and aerobatics. And I actually posted a picture 05:06.000 --> 05:11.000 of the blue eagles from the Royal Air Force in the United Kingdom who did a helicopter, 05:11.000 --> 05:18.000 didn't demonstration with the four gazelles and one links, which was capable of doing looped 05:18.000 --> 05:23.000 elopes, pretty intense. And then I was walking amongst the crowd at a certain point, I had to get a new 05:23.000 --> 05:28.000 battery out of the helicopter for my camera. I heard someone call my name and I heard it was an American 05:28.000 --> 05:37.000 accent. So I turned around and this is guy, which is himself as John. 05:31.500 --> 05:35.500 A developer, now who had quit his job just recently so I congratulated on that. 05:35.500 --> 05:38.500 I think he quit his job in the States and moved over here too. 05:42.000 --> 05:47.000 Lighten, which is a big university town. And he said that he had heard about the air show on 05:47.000 --> 05:51.000 the source code the previous day. And he decided to come to the show. He didn't even know there was 05:51.000 --> 05:56.000 an air show on. So we chatted for a little bit and it was just really cool to see what the reaches 05:56.000 --> 06:04.000 of a show like this. And from there, we got back home safe, which means we had a really good day. 06:04.000 --> 06:10.000 And I ran to my email hoping that someone had picked up on Dave Winer's birthday hint and made 06:10.000 --> 06:16.000 a template for dailysourcecode.com. No such luck, no designs, not an inkling. And then of course, 06:16.000 --> 06:20.000 it got pretty depressing as I don't know what the coverage was in the States, but here in another 06:24.000 --> 06:31.000 of the Russian school drama was just so intense and they just kept on going the images just kept 06:31.000 --> 06:37.000 coming back. There was so much video footage of it all and especially as a parent it hurts so 06:37.000 --> 06:41.000 much to think about what those kids went through and what the parents are going through and just 06:41.000 --> 06:43.000 what everyone's going through and what was the... 06:46.500 --> 06:49.500 It's just, and you know, what are we coming to? 06:49.500 --> 06:54.500 You know, it's, you know, part of this was an accidental detonation at whatever bombs 06:54.500 --> 06:55.500 they had with them. 06:55.500 --> 07:02.500 But I understood there was also one woman who would detonate it herself. 07:02.500 --> 07:06.500 I'm thinking, man, you know, what despair are people in this can't just be religion. 07:06.500 --> 07:07.500 I don't believe that. 07:07.500 --> 07:12.500 I think that there's a lot, you know, people are just driven to the edge. 07:12.500 --> 07:17.500 And if your kids are killed and you're in Chechnya and your husband's been carted off and 07:17.500 --> 07:21.500 you've never seen them again, maybe out of despair, you, all you can think of is, look, 07:21.500 --> 07:23.500 I'm going to give you a taste of your own medicine. 07:23.500 --> 07:26.500 It's just, it's crazy, you know, people are popping off all over the globe. 07:26.500 --> 07:32.500 This is not exclusive to, to this conflict or to the Middle East, you know, to Palestine 07:32.500 --> 07:38.500 or, or Iraq or, or anywhere for that matter, you know, Bali. 07:38.500 --> 07:39.500 It's happening everywhere. 07:39.500 --> 07:40.500 Suicide bombers. 07:40.500 --> 07:45.500 This is, people are really going to desperate needs, desperate measures. 07:45.500 --> 07:47.500 So anyway, I... 07:48.000 --> 07:49.000 can't change that yet. 07:49.000 --> 07:53.000 Foling could reprogram bits of the world that would feel so good. 07:53.000 --> 07:55.000 So this is the Daily Source Code. 07:55.000 --> 07:59.000 It's where users and developers party together and we're very proud of it. 07:59.000 --> 08:02.000 Something we've been talking about a lot on the show is audio books. 08:02.000 --> 08:08.000 See I made a note to myself to look at this email from a hermit in Montreal. 08:08.000 --> 08:10.000 Who sent this to me. 08:10.000 --> 08:13.000 He's just discovered the Daily Source Code the other day. 08:13.000 --> 08:14.000 I think it's fascinating. 08:14.000 --> 08:20.000 He says that he spends way too much money on audible.com as it is, but really loves the reviews. 08:20.000 --> 08:22.000 He says they also have a lot of good free content you can download. 08:22.000 --> 08:26.000 They actually are a really good source for NPR periodicals. 08:26.000 --> 08:30.000 And indeed if you're a member of audible you can download a lot of that stuff for free. 08:30.000 --> 08:35.000 He recommends the talisman by Stephen King. 08:35.000 --> 08:42.000 There's a, he says the first version was the best with Frank Mueller as the narrator. 08:42.000 --> 08:44.000 He also says no crash was cool. 08:44.000 --> 08:47.000 This month we bought the dark tower part six by Stephen King. 08:47.000 --> 08:49.000 The seventh and final book to release. 08:49.500 --> 08:55.500 on the Stephen King's birthday, which is the 21st of September. And he also got Princess 08:55.500 --> 09:00.500 of Ireland also recommended by Audible users. So there you go, if only I could get an 09:00.500 --> 09:04.500 RSS feed of someone's recommendations. You know, wouldn't that be great and a little snippet 09:04.500 --> 09:08.500 as an enclosure so I could just zap through on my iPod in the morning and see if I like 09:08.500 --> 09:13.500 the speaker, see if the story sounds interesting, maybe listen to a little bit of a review. It 09:13.500 --> 09:17.500 could be actually, I was thinking about that the other day, one way we could do this, developers 09:17.500 --> 09:22.500 listen up. So let's say I'm listening to different audio books on my iPod. And I know the iPod 09:22.500 --> 09:24.500 can do this, I have no idea how it works with other devices, I'm sure there's... 09:27.000 --> 09:31.000 So if I'm listening to an audio book, I can give that a rating, one to five stars. 09:31.000 --> 09:32.000 You can do that on your iPod. 09:32.000 --> 09:35.000 It's a selection you can just thumb through and get to. 09:35.000 --> 09:37.000 So what if I set it up? 09:37.000 --> 09:43.000 So when I re-dock my iPod, it went in, a little program went in and said, let's take anything 09:43.000 --> 09:54.000 that has four stars or above and create an RSS file from that and upstream it and then put 09:54.000 --> 10:00.000 links into the pages where they can be downloaded and reviews, etc. 10:00.000 --> 10:05.000 It would be a way to kind of do your review on the fly without too much effort. 10:05.000 --> 10:11.000 I think it's technically possible and well, in the next few weeks to come, I'll probably 10:11.000 --> 10:15.000 give it a whirl and see if I can get it done. 10:15.000 --> 10:20.000 Dave Winer posted that he had taken my recommendations and purchased Snowcrash and John Stewart's book 10:20.000 --> 10:21.000 which I'm still listening to. 10:21.000 --> 10:22.000 I love it so much. 10:24.000 --> 10:28.000 I only really turn it on when I know that I'm not going to be disturbed by any one or anything. 10:28.000 --> 10:33.000 But what was interesting is I remember I told you I paid $7.95 for John Stuart's book and David 10:33.000 --> 10:40.000 apparently got it for $4.95. So maybe Audible is really just a little bit more expensive than the rest. 10:40.000 --> 10:46.000 I like it a lot though. It seems to work fine for me in every little online library so you can 10:46.000 --> 10:52.000 delete files if you want to go back and download it again you can. And of course, 10:52.000 --> 10:56.000 it's a lot of snow crash waiting in the wings to be red but haven't started that one. 10:57.000 --> 11:00.000 That's something probably when I really take a full day off. 11:01.000 --> 11:12.000 And I had a big oh wow experience over the weekend. The Skype client for Mac OS 10 was released. 11:12.000 --> 11:18.000 I've heard a lot about Skype. I actually know Nicholas and Janice, who created Skype, who created 11:18.000 --> 11:25.000 a Kaza because I met them several years ago when we were working on the Jambi stuff. 11:25.500 --> 11:26.500 they were working on creating super nodes. 11:26.500 --> 11:29.500 And then those guys really knew what they were talking about. 11:29.500 --> 11:31.500 And they were really smart about this stuff. 11:32.500 --> 11:35.500 They've created a basically a voice over IP, 11:35.500 --> 11:40.500 well, there's a buzzword, voice over IP application program 11:41.500 --> 11:45.500 that you can use to make telephone calls with. 11:45.500 --> 11:46.500 And the way they do it, 11:46.500 --> 11:51.500 they use some of the peer-to-peer concepts behind Kazaar 11:51.500 --> 11:52.500 presumably to make it all work. 11:52.500 --> 11:55.500 And that doesn't interest me too much because 11:56.500 --> 11:58.500 this is available in many different forms. 11:58.500 --> 12:01.500 And you've probably heard about the voice over IP, 12:03.500 --> 12:05.500 buzz for maybe a couple of years now. 12:05.500 --> 12:08.500 And I was like, yeah, sure, I can use iChat. 12:10.500 --> 12:14.500 There's different programs that will allow me to do that. 12:14.500 --> 12:16.500 There's some drawbacks to it. 12:16.500 --> 12:22.500 I don't like being that people can see I'm online, so they say, he's online, so thus I can go 12:22.500 --> 12:28.500 column up or I chat him or whatever. So not to keen on that. But it was interesting. 12:29.500 --> 12:34.500 And this is the part that I didn't get until I actually tried it, is that you can use Skype, 12:34.500 --> 12:40.500 and that's spelled SKYPE. By the way, so it's Skype.com, I believe it's their URL. 12:41.500 --> 12:45.500 You can actually use this, you type in a phone number, and it will call that telephone, 12:45.500 --> 12:53.500 so you can have a conversation from your computer over the internet to a regular phone line. 12:54.500 --> 12:57.500 And that's when, you know, and only did I actually sit there, I was sitting with my laptop, 12:57.500 --> 13:00.500 and I just had, I didn't have headphones or a microphone on, just using the internet. 13:03.000 --> 13:05.000 called our Belgian number, the house line, 13:05.000 --> 13:06.000 and Patricia picked up. 13:06.000 --> 13:07.000 She was sitting there right next to me 13:07.000 --> 13:08.000 and she didn't know that I was calling 13:08.000 --> 13:10.000 and then I'd start talking to her. 13:10.000 --> 13:11.000 And it was so, wow, this is weird. 13:11.000 --> 13:14.000 He's talking into his laptop 13:14.000 --> 13:15.000 and I'm talking to him on the telephone. 13:15.000 --> 13:18.000 That was a real brain reset moment there for a second. 13:18.000 --> 13:21.000 So I started to delve in and find out how this works. 13:21.000 --> 13:26.000 And it turns out there's a lot of voice over IP service providers. 13:26.000 --> 13:29.000 And what appears to be the main standard 13:29.000 --> 13:30.000 that people are adhering to 13:30.000 --> 13:32.000 something called SIP. 13:32.000 --> 13:34.000 Sit, I'm not quite sure what it stands for, 13:34.000 --> 13:37.000 but I'm sure it has to do with some standardization 13:37.000 --> 13:42.000 of how you do voice over IP, so voice over the internet. 13:42.000 --> 13:47.000 And what these companies do is they have local dial in numbers. 13:47.000 --> 13:51.000 You've probably heard of J-Facts or some service 13:51.000 --> 13:56.000 where you can basically rent or buy or rent a phone line. 13:56.000 --> 13:58.000 And that'll go straight to a voicemail box 13:58.000 --> 14:00.000 and so someone to you, so actually I have a number in New York. 14:00.000 --> 14:03.000 You can call it my New York number. 14:03.000 --> 14:04.000 And it's only a local phone. 14:04.500 --> 14:08.500 phone call and then what it does is it takes the phone call and then it's already on the 14:08.500 --> 14:12.500 internet. So sending the message to me is just using internet protocols and email and I have 14:12.500 --> 14:17.500 a special web place I can go to as well to listen to my archive messages. They also do 14:17.500 --> 14:21.500 it for fax's same thing. You can add another fax line or if I wanted to I could say, hey, 14:21.500 --> 14:28.500 I want a local phone line in Los Angeles or I want one in Ireland. So I've used that and 14:28.500 --> 14:32.500 that's been around for a while and that's actually works pretty well. This is the exact 14:32.500 --> 14:37.500 same concept where you say, I want a phone line, I want a phone number in New York. So people 14:37.500 --> 14:41.500 in New York can give me a call. Maybe I want to look like I have an office in New York 14:41.500 --> 14:46.500 and I want one in LA and whatever. And then when people call that number at that point, it's 14:46.500 --> 14:51.500 basically only a local call. That's why it doesn't cost very much. That's where your voice 14:51.500 --> 14:59.500 over IP provider picks up the call and then goes out and finds your computer to say, hey, 14:59.500 --> 15:05.500 ring ring, you've got a call and set up the call. So basically you have a phone number that 15:05.500 --> 15:06.500 works. 15:06.000 --> 15:10.000 like a phone can be called from any phone and you can call to any phone and you have the 15:10.000 --> 15:17.000 same number that remains with you. And because the distance, if you're calling long distance, 15:17.000 --> 15:22.000 is really on your local phone call, that's why they can give you incredibly cheap rates. So I could 15:22.000 --> 15:31.000 actually call New York from my house in Belgium. It's still ours, but about to not be. And I can make 15:31.000 --> 15:37.000 that call for, I spec'd it out. There's one service plan I could get it for 1.7 cents per minute. 15:37.000 --> 15:43.000 Unheard of. Literally unheard of prices. Now of course, you're probably saying, yeah, but you know, 15:43.000 --> 15:49.000 I don't want to take phone calls on my computer. And it also has a very hands-free feel to it, 15:49.000 --> 15:54.000 which is just not nice. So a lot of these service providers are, and this is what it comes down to, 15:54.000 --> 16:00.000 because this system, anyone can set up with your, I think they're called DID, your local dial-in number. 16:00.000 --> 16:06.000 Any company can rent time, rent phone numbers, and set something like this up. Where they're going to 16:07.500 --> 16:11.500 in the differentiation and the United Unique Selling Proposition, if you will, to give you a marketing 16:11.500 --> 16:19.500 term, is in the services, so really expanded voicemail capabilities, conferencing capabilities, 16:21.500 --> 16:26.500 anything you can think of that any service that you're getting now for your local phone company 16:26.500 --> 16:33.500 and then some and just think of all the capabilities of being able to attach internet capabilities 16:33.500 --> 16:38.500 to a phone call. There's a lot of richness in there. So you don't really want to be doing this on 16:38.500 --> 16:43.500 your computer, so any service provider that's really serious about their business will also give you 16:43.500 --> 16:48.500 what they call a SIP phone, so they'll give you a software version, which you can make calls with 16:48.500 --> 16:53.500 from any computer in the world as long as it's connected to the internet and has some reasonable bandwidth 16:53.500 --> 16:58.500 but even that isn't really necessary because voice is so low in data intensity. 16:59.500 --> 17:06.500 One day to volume I should say perhaps, they give you a SIP phone which is just like a regular phone, 17:06.500 --> 17:14.500 only you plug it into either you. 17:09.000 --> 17:15.000 your router or your cable modem or your USB or they have all different kinds of versions 17:15.000 --> 17:21.000 or if you can just, if it's always, I think they actually might even have a Wi-Fi version. 17:21.000 --> 17:24.000 And it looks and feels and acts just like a real phone. 17:24.000 --> 17:27.000 You pick it up and then it'll give you a dial tone. 17:27.000 --> 17:28.000 It's not really giving you a dial tone. 17:28.000 --> 17:31.000 It's giving you a fake dial tone but it sounds like a dial tone. 17:31.000 --> 17:35.000 You dial your number and then from there it's just like the version on your PC and you're 17:35.000 --> 17:36.000 making real calls. 17:36.000 --> 17:40.000 And conversely when a call comes in, it'll ring. 17:40.000 --> 17:46.000 Even better than that is a little version which is a box which sits between in between 17:46.000 --> 17:52.000 your network so your cable modem when you're at ADSL or you know, and you're, I don't 17:52.000 --> 17:55.000 know if they have a Wi-Fi version but presumably Wi-Fi as well. 17:55.000 --> 17:59.000 And on the other end you plug in your existing phone and your or your existing phone system. 17:59.000 --> 18:03.000 So then there's really no difference between picking up your phone and making calls and 18:03.000 --> 18:09.000 receiving calls versus with a local phone company versus voice over IP. 18:10.500 --> 18:16.500 That was like, that just blew me away because this changes the entire model of how phone companies make 18:16.500 --> 18:21.500 money and essentially it just kills them. Home on, I'm going to take a sip here. 18:24.000 --> 18:31.000 I've gotten into the habit of drinking Schwepp's Indian tonic during the source code. 18:34.500 --> 18:41.500 a little bit of mother earth. So anyway, I can see this Skype thing really going places and I've 18:42.500 --> 18:47.500 I'm determined this week to work with the the version on my computer and make my calls 18:48.500 --> 18:54.500 that I need to make over this system and just see you know see see how the experience is. 18:54.500 --> 18:58.500 There is seems like there's a little bit of a delay on Skype but you know I might try out different 18:58.500 --> 19:03.500 versions of different companies. Skype by the way as far as I know does not give you an incoming 19:04.500 --> 19:09.500 phone number that's unique but that can only be so far off. I mean it's everyone's going to be 19:09.500 --> 19:15.500 offering the same just going to be how how how cool are your features going to be no call forwarding 19:15.500 --> 19:19.500 and you name it there's there's going to be a lot of stuff going on. And of course you're saying well 19:20.500 --> 19:25.500 you know is this you know I use a cell phone you know that's for me in fact that has always been my 19:25.500 --> 19:30.500 only number is my GSM cell phone and that's what everybody reaches me on. Now granted traveling 19:30.500 --> 19:38.500 between two countries I often wind up paying a lot of money a lot of roaming. 19:36.000 --> 19:43.000 fees. Probably upwards of a dollar a minute when I call from Belgium to the Netherlands and I also have to pay when there's 19:43.000 --> 19:46.000 Incoming on the roaming. So that's you know, I'm really bad 19:48.000 --> 19:53.000 But around 2,000 euros a month, so about $23, $2200. That's a lot of money. 19:55.000 --> 20:00.000 But I think that this, as it evolves, I think just as well basically, as Wi-Fi becomes 20:01.000 --> 20:05.000 more free and more available. Let's look into the crystal ball for a second. Hold on a second. 20:05.000 --> 20:10.000 Let's rub the crystal ball and let's talk about the future of Voice Over IP. 20:10.000 --> 20:18.000 So, as Wi-Fi becomes more prevalent and available everywhere, and Dave Wein has been traveling through 20:18.000 --> 20:26.000 the country. He's noticing that Wi-Fi is really becoming just a commodity, and then I have 20:26.000 --> 20:32.000 to agree with him that it will be free. Wi-Fi will be just, which coffee shop you're going to go to, 20:32.000 --> 20:36.000 which library you're going to go to, what restaurant you're going to go to, what lunchroom. 20:39.000 --> 20:46.000 go to your choice at a certain point will come down to do they have Wi-Fi or not and they're not going to charge you for it. It's just going to be a part of the deal. There you go. There's Wi-Fi. 20:48.000 --> 20:54.000 for being for being our guest. So if we have Wi-Fi really built out everywhere, 20:54.000 --> 20:59.000 then I see no reason why you can't take your your handheld. So let's say it's a pocket PC or 20:59.000 --> 21:04.000 or the cell phone manufacturers, I'm sure will do the same thing if they have Wi-Fi built in. 21:06.000 --> 21:12.000 gadgets built into a regular phone. I mean, it can be done at your home. Then all you really need is a Wi-Fi connection. 21:12.000 --> 21:17.000 And I think that, you know, beside the car, which, you know, maybe that's the hardest part. 21:17.000 --> 21:21.000 And that's where you have to switch to a regular cell phone technology. 21:21.000 --> 21:27.000 I think that, you know, your office buildings and everyone will have this capability. 21:27.000 --> 21:31.000 And maybe you just will just like in a smaller commerce, you know, you see, 21:31.000 --> 21:33.000 you may say, hey, we, I don't want to feel like doing business with you. 21:33.000 --> 21:37.000 At least not at your office because you don't have Wi-Fi. My phone won't work. 21:37.000 --> 21:42.000 But I think that as it continues to build with enough Wi-Fi, it'll be possible. 21:42.000 --> 21:49.000 And the roaming between Wi-Fi day stations, I've found is not, you know, that groovy, certainly not if you're, 21:49.000 --> 21:53.000 it's not going to work very well if you're made conversation. But hey, look, if it comes down to saving 21:53.000 --> 22:00.000 a lot of money and sticking it to the man, I say it can be done. And then of course, as we get further 22:00.000 --> 22:03.000 than that, if there's enough Wi-Fi, and I don't really understand how it works yet, but you know, 22:03.000 --> 22:08.000 we can start to integrate meshed networks and we can have the... 22:07.500 --> 22:15.500 Wi-Fi stations all connect to each other with different WDS I think is the protocols so they 22:15.500 --> 22:20.500 can expand their network and I'll talk to each other and actually could become a new form of 22:20.500 --> 22:25.500 internet backbone but oh no the crystal ball is getting cloudy. I'm clearly gone too far. 22:26.500 --> 22:35.500 So that was my Skype experience very impressed by VoiceOver IP. Was listening to the latest IT 22:35.500 --> 22:42.500 conversations the Gilmore gang which was from Friday the 3rd and I didn't get until last night. 22:43.500 --> 22:47.500 I listened to a bit of it on Saturday I drove up to Abraida about a 20 minute drive, went up to 22:47.500 --> 22:51.500 visit a couple of friends on the way back so I heard probably about half of it and listened 22:51.500 --> 22:58.500 to the rest of it last night. As usual it's Steve Gilmore and Doc Surles and I think John Udell 22:59.500 --> 23:05.500 and then there were some analysts who were all talking about Microsoft and Longhorn. 23:05.500 --> 23:08.500 Now I'm going to touch on this for a second because this is 23:09.000 --> 23:12.000 developers and users of party together on source code. 23:12.000 --> 23:17.000 I didn't take a lot of effort, but I made a concerted effort to listen to what they were 23:17.000 --> 23:21.000 talking about and try and understand. 23:21.000 --> 23:29.000 Just to see if I can boil this down, apparently Microsoft has been promising a new version 23:29.000 --> 23:30.000 of Windows. 23:30.000 --> 23:33.000 This version of Windows is called Longhorn. 23:33.000 --> 23:37.000 Let me just pause there for a second because this is a bad name. 23:37.000 --> 23:41.000 I do not get any happy associations with Longhorn. 23:41.000 --> 23:45.000 In fact, I get an association of one of those pink Cadillacs with the Longhorn on the front 23:45.000 --> 23:49.000 coming to pick me up to take me to some horrible roadshow gig, which I will tell you about 23:49.000 --> 23:50.000 one of these days. 23:50.000 --> 23:52.000 So, to me, I'm eating like Longhorn. 23:52.000 --> 23:54.000 That sounds like something from Texas. 23:54.000 --> 23:55.000 That sounds like George Bush. 23:55.000 --> 23:57.000 I get all kinds of weird associations. 23:57.000 --> 24:00.000 So, Longhorn doesn't work for me. 24:00.000 --> 24:06.000 I want something sexy like Tiger Panther. 24:06.000 --> 24:10.000 But this seems to be just about as important for Microsoft as... 24:10.500 --> 24:15.500 switch to OS X was for Apple. And there were a couple of things in Longhorn that people 24:15.500 --> 24:19.500 were very excited about, but from what I understand one of the most important ones was 24:19.500 --> 24:24.500 this Windows FS, the Windows filing system, which is, and I don't know much about filing 24:24.500 --> 24:29.500 systems other than, you know, you've got a path to a file and somehow you're... 24:31.500 --> 24:35.500 that when you're clicking around and dragging and dropping stuff. 24:35.500 --> 24:41.500 But a sophisticated filing system, we much more would have a, I guess like a database 24:41.500 --> 24:49.500 attached to it with XML so that you can address the file system in a more convenient slash 24:49.500 --> 24:50.500 intelligent manner. 24:50.500 --> 24:52.500 Something like that. 24:52.500 --> 24:56.500 And this was, you know, they've delayed this. 24:56.500 --> 25:00.500 Actually they were doing as they're releasing longhorn but not with the sophisticated filing 25:00.500 --> 25:01.500 system in there. 25:01.500 --> 25:05.500 And they're saying some other longhorn features which weren't supposed to come out until longhorn 25:05.500 --> 25:11.500 comes out, which now they're saying is 2006 are going to be released before then. 25:11.500 --> 25:16.500 So and, you know, some APIs stuff that I guess people were are supposed to be relatively happy 25:16.500 --> 25:17.500 about. 25:17.500 --> 25:18.500 And it was interesting. 25:18.500 --> 25:22.500 If you're on Wall Street or you trade stocks and. 25:27.000 --> 25:31.000 because there's some good points on what this is going to mean to Microsoft long-term, 25:32.000 --> 25:36.000 Microsoft in terms of growth, in terms of value, in terms of cash flow. 25:37.000 --> 25:39.000 And I find that interesting to listen to. 25:42.000 --> 25:46.000 And to me, it seems like this is a humongous opportunity for a whole bunch of people to come in 25:47.000 --> 25:53.000 and in fact, this is discussed on the show that open source may get some more legs on this, 25:53.000 --> 25:58.000 and there's all kinds of reasons for that. But it was kind of fun listening to it and understanding, 26:00.000 --> 26:04.000 really starting to understand what Microsoft's business is and how this is going to work for them 26:04.000 --> 26:08.000 or not. And again, though, I must say that there were a lot of buzzwords being used, 26:08.000 --> 26:17.000 you know, players, space, a play. I love that. And you use the word a play as in Google is a search play. 26:17.000 --> 26:23.000 So what is source code to kind of play is that. It's probably a bad play. 26:24.000 --> 26:28.000 But there was a lot of talk about developers and I do want to stop at that for- 26:28.500 --> 26:33.500 second because when I hear people especially analysts talk about developers, you know, 26:33.500 --> 26:36.500 and developers will do this, developers will do that. And I've had developers work for me personally. 26:37.500 --> 26:43.500 And I didn't know anything about developers and point honestly, I not until the past few months 26:43.500 --> 26:48.500 that I really understand why developers are the way they are. I mean, these are like speech writers. 26:49.500 --> 26:54.500 You know how on the West Wing, that once in a while Rob Lowe's character or one of the other people, 26:54.500 --> 26:59.500 they'll write a speech for the president and it'll be a real great, 26:59.500 --> 27:04.500 a nice moment in the episode because there's some real patriotic feelings and what the country 27:04.500 --> 27:10.500 stands for. It's just a really good speech. Well, that's what, you know, so then a speech writer is 27:10.500 --> 27:14.500 in his vibe and he's pouring his heart out and putting his heart into his work. And that's the way 27:14.500 --> 27:20.500 developers work best. If you're working on something that you really want to make and you want it to happen, 27:20.500 --> 27:24.500 it's just writing, you know, it's not like you're tinkering with a screwdriver. 27:25.500 --> 27:30.500 language and this language does something and it can emotionally move someone when you 27:30.500 --> 27:34.500 write something, it can make a computer do something, but it's just language and it's writing 27:34.500 --> 27:42.500 and I think good writing takes inspiration and you can't overlook that. 27:42.500 --> 27:45.500 Someone has to be really into the project that they're doing otherwise. 27:45.500 --> 27:53.500 It's just never going to be the same as they're something that they're really interested in. 27:53.500 --> 27:57.500 So if you hire developers, try and get ones that are interested in what you're actually 27:57.500 --> 27:58.500 doing. 27:58.500 --> 28:02.500 At the end of the show and I was actually laying in the bathtub last night and my wife was 28:02.500 --> 28:05.500 just walking into the bathroom and I started laughing my head off because at the very end 28:05.500 --> 28:15.500 of the Gilmore gang, Steve Gilmore gave me this humongous plug about the source code and 28:15.500 --> 28:19.500 it was extremely nice and I had really appreciated it. 28:19.500 --> 28:22.500 And there you go. 28:22.500 --> 28:23.500 That was nice. 28:23.500 --> 28:26.500 I've learned you've get credit to take it and shut up. 28:27.000 --> 28:32.000 Now let's talk about iPodder for a second. 28:32.000 --> 28:34.000 iPodder has a home. 28:34.000 --> 28:38.000 I created iPodder.org, which I did because 28:38.000 --> 28:41.000 what to be.org because that's what open source 28:41.000 --> 28:44.000 or open whatever seems to be registered under. 28:44.000 --> 28:47.000 And this is totally meant as an open project. 28:47.000 --> 28:52.000 I'm going to be real happy to maintain this website, 28:52.000 --> 28:55.000 which is part weblog and there are two directories in there, 28:55.000 --> 28:57.000 and one is for downloads. 28:57.000 --> 29:00.000 And whenever if you have a new iPodder script that will work, 29:00.000 --> 29:04.000 you can actually do a submission form under the directory. 29:04.000 --> 29:07.000 And you can send me a URL to .2 and I'm gladly add that. 29:07.000 --> 29:14.000 And also I've started a directory of feeds that have regular enclosures coming down the pipeline. 29:14.000 --> 29:20.000 And again, if you have a suggestion for that, you can also click on the link. 29:21.000 --> 29:25.000 And so I think now we've got it all official. 29:25.000 --> 29:30.000 iPodder.org. And that's where you can point. 29:28.500 --> 29:31.500 to point people to who want to use iPodder. 29:31.500 --> 29:33.500 Have you have any comments about that? 29:33.500 --> 29:36.500 Obviously, just send them to me adamantcurry.com 29:36.500 --> 29:40.500 or comment on the weblog at live.curry.com. 29:40.500 --> 29:47.500 And a while back, I'd also asked all of the source code listeners 29:47.500 --> 29:49.500 where you listen to the source code. 29:49.500 --> 29:53.500 And Steve Garfield made a video of how and where he listens 29:53.500 --> 29:55.500 to source code and check this out. 29:55.500 --> 29:58.500 What he's doing is he has a thing is the Iraq, 29:58.500 --> 30:00.500 which is a little FM transmitter, 30:00.500 --> 30:04.500 which you can plug into your into your Mac or any computer. 30:04.500 --> 30:06.500 I think it just uses audio out. 30:06.500 --> 30:08.500 And you can tune it to an empty frequency 30:08.500 --> 30:10.500 and he's broadcasting that signal throughout his house. 30:10.500 --> 30:13.500 And he showed how he was listening to source code 30:13.500 --> 30:17.500 in his kitchen on a, it looked like a boom box up on the cabinet, 30:17.500 --> 30:20.500 which he probably had to put up on the on the covers 30:20.500 --> 30:25.500 because the antenna or the power was too low of his of his Iraq. 30:25.500 --> 30:28.500 But it's true, this is, and it's wacky. 30:30.000 --> 30:33.000 turned on that radio and hadn't told anyone where the source was coming from. 30:33.000 --> 30:35.000 They would have said, oh wow, atoms on the radio. 30:37.500 --> 30:40.500 And that's the kind of magic that I like, you know, the stuff that we're doing at iPod or where 30:40.500 --> 30:45.500 it really seems like your iPod is doing all this stuff and aggregating everything where actually 30:45.500 --> 30:49.500 it isn't it's your computer and we're just connecting all the bits. Which brings me to a thought 30:49.500 --> 30:55.500 that Marcus Mouler, who I've been working with for a long time now, he keeps all my servers running 30:55.500 --> 31:03.500 and developed stuff and he works with me on all kinds of fun-related projects. He lives in Pasadena, 31:04.500 --> 31:08.500 which is great because then he can watch the servers while I'm sleeping in vice versa. 31:09.500 --> 31:13.500 And by the way, and Marcus, I know you're listening, please put up a page and send me the 31:13.500 --> 31:19.500 little so I can point to it of the radio user land tool that you made or scripts. I think there's 31:19.500 --> 31:27.500 two scripts that are also 100% iPod or fodder. So send a URL to me because I want to add that to the 31:27.500 --> 31:33.500 directory. But he's also working on a concept, which I think is quite interesting. He says, 31:33.500 --> 31:37.500 you know, maybe we could even simply, if I get it right now, Marcus will have to set me straight if not. 31:39.000 --> 31:47.000 What if we created a central resource that does the aggregation of feeds and creates 31:47.000 --> 31:53.000 basically a list of just extracts the URLs, or you have a filter on it so you can say, 31:53.000 --> 31:56.000 this is where Tivo is getting into the picture and that's why I love it Marcus, I'm totally 31:56.000 --> 31:58.000 on to you. 31:58.000 --> 32:05.000 So instead of having a relatively dumb aggregator that we call iPodder and just sits there and 32:05.000 --> 32:12.000 pulls in these feeds, we could, for any different type of version, you'd have to put new logic 32:12.000 --> 32:14.000 into the iPodder script. 32:14.000 --> 32:19.000 We could create a central resource that you can actually address with perhaps an API 32:19.000 --> 32:23.000 or whatever, a web interface as well. 32:23.000 --> 32:31.000 We just say, hey, I want all links from Adam Curry and Dave Slusher and IT conversations 32:31.000 --> 32:36.000 for the past three days and it'll just spit back a list of URLs to the content. 32:36.000 --> 32:40.000 And that then could be used through a simplified version of iPodder. 32:40.500 --> 32:45.500 to pull that into your iPod or your MP3 player device. 32:46.500 --> 32:49.500 So I asked him to write that up as well. 32:49.500 --> 32:52.500 Hold on a second, the dog is just going crazy. 32:52.500 --> 32:54.500 Patricia's off to the... 32:54.500 --> 32:56.500 Chrissy! 32:56.500 --> 32:58.500 See, this is our 15 year old maltees 32:58.500 --> 33:00.500 who was three years over life expectancy. 33:00.500 --> 33:03.500 She is deaf and blind. 33:03.500 --> 33:05.500 She's not dumb. 33:05.500 --> 33:07.500 I'm curious, baby. 33:07.500 --> 33:08.500 Come on, it's okay. 33:08.500 --> 33:10.500 It's okay, baby. 33:10.500 --> 33:11.500 You want to go upstairs? 33:11.500 --> 33:14.500 See, whenever she senses that Patricia's not in the house, 33:14.500 --> 33:16.500 then she kind of starts to freak out 33:16.500 --> 33:19.500 and just starts to bark and bark and bark. 33:22.500 --> 33:25.500 I take her upstairs and she can walk around there. 33:26.500 --> 33:28.500 I'll give me exactly seven minutes 33:28.500 --> 33:30.500 before she starts barking again. 33:31.500 --> 33:33.500 Okay, let me get back. 33:35.500 --> 33:37.500 Sorry about this little interlude here. 33:38.500 --> 33:40.500 Okay. 33:42.000 --> 33:45.000 Let me just swipe the e-book. 33:45.000 --> 33:47.000 Okay. 33:47.000 --> 33:53.000 And let's see, listen to the recent Dave Slusher, Evil Genius Chronicles. 33:53.000 --> 33:55.000 He says he's going to stop mentioning my name. 33:55.000 --> 33:56.000 That's okay. 33:56.000 --> 34:00.000 Dave, I think it's about time we all stop talking about each other and get down the business. 34:00.000 --> 34:06.000 Although I do want to make one comment, that as a user, it's very hard for me to explain 34:06.000 --> 34:12.000 to a developer when a piece of code is not doing what I expected it to do. 34:12.000 --> 34:19.000 Now I've learned that the best bug report is to say, here's what I expected, and here's 34:19.000 --> 34:21.000 what happened. 34:21.000 --> 34:26.000 And I know that you didn't really appreciate the fact that I talked about your code on 34:26.000 --> 34:27.000 the source code. 34:27.000 --> 34:30.000 But really it's not your code, I think the problem is my code. 34:30.000 --> 34:31.000 It's my Apple script. 34:31.000 --> 34:34.000 But what I'd like, and I'm just going to do a review here. 34:34.000 --> 34:35.000 Okay. 34:35.000 --> 34:36.000 So here's what I expect to happen. 34:36.000 --> 34:38.000 What I expect to happen is when the chron... 34:40.500 --> 34:47.500 your code, get enclosure, a Pearl script. I wanted to bring everything in, put it into 34:47.500 --> 34:54.500 appropriate playlist based upon the channel names in the feed. And it does all that. 34:54.500 --> 34:58.500 I mean, that's exactly what I wanted to do. And that would be the end of it. I love 34:58.500 --> 35:05.500 the caching that you've built in. I love the fact that you sport AACs. That's all fantastic. 35:05.500 --> 35:11.500 What it does instead, and I'll talk about version 2.0, is, first of all, it brings iTunes to 35:11.500 --> 35:17.500 the front every single time. And I know you put that in as a safety, but that's really 35:17.500 --> 35:21.500 irritating because if it runs, if the cron job runs while I'm working, then it'll pop 35:21.500 --> 35:27.500 it up for every new file it brings in. So I don't want it to do that. And it's creating duplicates. 35:27.500 --> 35:33.500 Sometimes hundreds of duplicates, sometimes only one. And that's in the playlist on iTunes. 35:33.500 --> 35:40.500 If we can fix that, it would be perfect. Everything would be just beautiful. And I love your script. 35:40.500 --> 35:41.500 I'm not using... 35:42.000 --> 35:46.000 using my own, I'm using yours, so I just really want to try and make it better. 35:46.000 --> 35:51.000 So what are we at now, 35 minutes? Well, at least we've been reasonably productive. 35:51.000 --> 35:56.000 Song of the day, I know we already had Friday on my mind, but I had something else lined 35:56.000 --> 36:00.000 up, which I thought you'd appreciate. I always try to put a little something different on 36:00.000 --> 36:05.000 the source code. This is by a guy called Richard Cheese, and you'll even hear his little promo 36:05.000 --> 36:14.000 for Richard Cheese.com in the song. He's basically a Las Vegas performer who does contemporary 36:14.000 --> 36:20.000 songs in a less contemporary way, or is that the other way around? Well, just for yourself 36:20.000 --> 36:22.000 and check out Richard Cheese. 36:22.000 --> 36:28.000 We'd like to do a song for you from a band from the 1970s. This is a pretty popular number, 36:28.000 --> 36:35.000 one of the most requested songs of all time. It's about a gal who's trying to purchase something. 36:35.000 --> 36:38.000 He's trying to purchase a means of getting from down here up to there. 36:38.000 --> 36:41.000 We have a little mood lighting on this job. Thank you. 36:43.500 --> 36:45.500 Let's see we swing this tonight, huh? 36:45.500 --> 36:46.500 Hit it, baby. 36:48.000 --> 36:55.000 I think you'll like this one. 36:55.000 --> 37:53.750 [ Music ] 37:55.500 --> 37:59.500 It's just a sprinkling for the me, wait 37:59.500 --> 38:04.500 Yes, there are two paths you can go by but in the long run 38:06.250 --> 39:26.250 [ Music ] 39:28.500 --> 39:40.500 And she's buying a stairway! 39:48.000 --> 39:49.000 Thank you. 39:49.000 --> 39:50.000 Richard Chees. 39:50.000 --> 39:57.000 Yeah, Stairway to Heaven, I strongly suggest you check out RichardChees.com. 39:57.000 --> 40:01.000 He does a lot of these entertaining to say the least. 40:01.000 --> 40:04.000 And that's it for Source Code for today, September 6, 2004. 40:07.500 --> 40:12.500 those adamant curry dot com and my web log we can do the comment is live dot curry dot com 40:12.500 --> 40:17.500 and of course we have daily source code dot com we can check out all the archives of 40:17.500 --> 40:23.500 the show and also subscribe to it if you're using iPodder as daily source code dot com slash 40:23.500 --> 40:29.500 rss dot xml and that's it for today we'll be back tomorrow with another edition of the source 40:29.500 --> 40:30.500 code take care everybody 40:34.500 --> 40:36.500 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 40:57.000 --> 40:59.000 I'm sorry, I'm sorry.