WEBVTT 00:01.500 --> 00:15.500 Hi everybody, welcome to the Source Code. I'm Adam Curry and good evening from 00:18.000 --> 00:21.000 It's 9.30 p.m. on, what are we at? 00:21.000 --> 00:26.000 Tuesday already, the 14th of September, 2004. 00:26.000 --> 00:31.000 Of course, I want to welcome you if you're downloading this from live.curry.com. 00:31.000 --> 00:36.000 You might be subscribing, you can find all the archives and of course ways to subscribe 00:36.000 --> 00:39.000 or just download Daily from DailySourceCode.com. 00:39.000 --> 00:40.000 This is the place where you use this. 00:42.000 --> 00:43.000 and had a lot of 00:48.000 --> 00:53.000 yesterday. First of all, what I want to get to is I'm going to let you hear a little excerpt 00:53.000 --> 01:00.000 from a special morning coffee notes that Dave Weiner did in Seattle probably, well, depending 01:00.000 --> 01:05.000 on your viewpoint, even way after his morning coffee or only five or six hours before his 01:05.000 --> 01:10.000 next morning coffee. And this was about what we were talking yesterday, where I was wondering 01:10.000 --> 01:17.000 what all this geeky stuff is I'm hearing about ways to mount Gmail as a file system, 01:17.000 --> 01:22.000 use Gmail as an interface for a web blog, you know, you mail something to your Gmail account. 01:24.000 --> 01:28.000 And my question was, is Gmail doing something special? 01:28.000 --> 01:30.000 There's some special APIs that I don't know about, 01:30.000 --> 01:32.000 or what's going on? 01:32.000 --> 01:34.000 It turns out, and Dave's going to explain this, 01:34.000 --> 01:38.000 and I want to let you hear a good portion of how we responded, 01:38.000 --> 01:40.000 which was great, because I don't think I could have 01:40.000 --> 01:43.000 understood it if it was just written, 01:43.000 --> 01:46.000 is that there really is no special API. 01:46.000 --> 01:49.000 In fact, it's using stuff that's been around for a long, 01:49.000 --> 01:52.000 long time, only apparently it's never really been 01:52.000 --> 01:55.000 interesting enough to use a free service until Gmail came 01:55.000 --> 01:59.000 along, which means there's a whole gigabyte. 01:59.000 --> 02:01.000 And with a gigabyte, arguably, that's 02:01.000 --> 02:03.000 something you want to use as a resource, 02:03.000 --> 02:04.000 but not necessarily for email. 02:04.000 --> 02:08.000 You could use it to serve files from or create a web log. 02:08.000 --> 02:12.000 So Dave actually gave a little explanation 02:12.000 --> 02:16.000 about the APIs and how it works and what Google is 02:16.000 --> 02:20.000 or isn't doing, but what developers are doing. 02:20.000 --> 02:22.000 So check this out. 02:22.000 --> 02:26.000 I just wanted to comment on one. 02:25.500 --> 02:31.500 One of the things that Adam talked about is that Gmail and whether there were more APIs 02:31.500 --> 02:34.500 in there or not. 02:34.500 --> 02:40.500 What's really cool about what's going on with Gmail is that email is an API. 02:40.500 --> 02:43.500 It's a very simple one. 02:43.500 --> 02:45.500 It allows you to... 02:45.500 --> 02:53.500 It's basically a flat directory of documents with enclosures. 02:53.500 --> 03:00.500 The body of the message and the title of the message can serve as metadata. 03:00.500 --> 03:07.500 So can the sender of the message could be thought of as the creator of the document. 03:07.500 --> 03:10.500 Unix has a driver structure. 03:10.500 --> 03:20.500 On the one hand, email either simply or pop is a good API. 03:20.500 --> 03:26.500 Unix has an API for the file system and in fact, so does Windows. 03:27.000 --> 03:49.000 And it allows you to put in drivers that basically do for the operating system the basic operations of creating a file, deleting a file, adding some text to the file, reading some text from a file or data from a file. 03:49.000 --> 03:54.000 And there are a few more operations, but not that many. 03:54.000 --> 04:04.000 Also operations that change the metadata, the data associated with files, the creation date, modification date. 04:04.000 --> 04:07.000 And the Macintosh you have a resource for. 04:07.000 --> 04:12.000 I'm not sure if they have that anymore actually with OS 10 being a unit file system. 04:12.000 --> 04:21.000 So in any case, Google didn't do anything new. They just supported an existing API that's very broadly understood and it's called Electronic Mail. 04:21.000 --> 04:27.000 And that's the beauty of these formats and protocols. 04:27.000 --> 04:28.000 They make. 04:28.500 --> 04:34.500 both kinds of things possible. And the lowest common denominator, I mean Adam, you would 04:34.500 --> 04:43.500 absolutely, I think you would love, you know, how simple these protocols are. They are, 04:43.500 --> 04:46.500 they're all texts for us. 04:46.500 --> 04:50.500 My thanks to, my thanks to Dave Weiner for explaining that. And of course I did look 04:50.500 --> 04:52.500 into the world. I'm pretty sure. 04:55.500 --> 04:58.500 having seen it before on the Unix command line. 04:58.500 --> 05:00.500 And now I understand exactly what they're doing. 05:00.500 --> 05:04.500 And that's why my conclusion is that it's really this one 05:04.500 --> 05:08.500 gigabyte of free disk space that people are building 05:08.500 --> 05:10.500 applications around. 05:10.500 --> 05:11.500 That could be interesting to see where that takes us with 05:11.500 --> 05:12.500 Google in the future. 05:12.500 --> 05:17.500 And also it kind of blew my mind that here we are creating 05:17.500 --> 05:19.500 technology or implementing technology. 05:19.500 --> 05:21.500 And we're basically doing the same thing over and over and 05:21.500 --> 05:22.500 over again. 05:22.500 --> 05:27.500 It's email or whether it's an iTunes, the way we're using 05:27.500 --> 05:31.500 it now with iPodder to look for new stuff that has arrived. 05:31.500 --> 05:34.500 Or even a weblog. 05:34.500 --> 05:36.500 It's all kind of the basic structure. 05:36.500 --> 05:38.500 And now I'm also starting to understand outliners a little 05:38.500 --> 05:41.500 bit better, at least what they can be used for and how 05:41.500 --> 05:43.500 fantastic they really are. 05:43.500 --> 05:45.500 Couple of other things I want to talk about. 05:45.500 --> 05:48.500 And I will talk more about some technology stuff based 05:48.500 --> 05:51.500 upon things that have been flying back and forth on the 05:51.500 --> 05:51.500 iPod. 05:54.000 --> 05:57.000 But today, as I check my download directory, 05:57.000 --> 06:03.000 I have on a server, I have a small program called Nucleus. 06:03.000 --> 06:04.000 And you can just Google it. 06:04.000 --> 06:08.000 You'll Google it with my name, and you'll find a link to it. 06:08.000 --> 06:10.000 And Nucleus is a little Python script that runs. 06:10.000 --> 06:12.000 I have it running on OS X server, which is sitting 06:12.000 --> 06:15.000 at my data center. 06:15.000 --> 06:21.000 And it pulls an RSS feed from Supernova, 06:21.000 --> 06:23.000 which has bit torrents. 06:23.000 --> 06:27.000 And if it finds anything that matches a number of keywords 06:27.000 --> 06:30.000 that I've put in there, it'll automatically download the bit 06:30.000 --> 06:34.000 torrent file and then start up the download of the actual file. 06:34.000 --> 06:38.000 And it'll, it notifies me of something new has come in. 06:38.000 --> 06:43.000 And I have keywords in it like David Letterman, Leno. 06:43.000 --> 06:45.000 I think I've discussed this before. 06:45.000 --> 06:47.000 Had all kinds of different keywords, some MTV stuff 06:47.000 --> 06:50.000 like Pimp for Pimp My Ride. 06:50.000 --> 06:54.000 That also picks up some interesting other torrents. 06:54.000 --> 06:56.000 And I have Michael Moore. 06:55.500 --> 06:59.500 in there as a keyword because I'm always interested in seeing what he has to say and he's been 06:59.500 --> 07:05.500 on different talk shows. And what that did for me is, lo and behold, I wound up this 07:05.500 --> 07:12.500 morning with a full Divix copy of Fahrenheit 9-11, which I hadn't seen yet. So I spent 07:12.500 --> 07:18.500 some time watching that today. And now I've heard all different kinds of reviews and 07:18.500 --> 07:22.500 different thoughts about this. First of all, I was a little disappointed. I thought 07:22.500 --> 07:26.500 I was, you know, this is going to be some amazing editing job. And, you know, 07:26.500 --> 07:31.500 anyone could have done this on Final Cut Pro and most of it was existing 07:31.500 --> 07:37.500 footage. What I don't like, although I think, you know, it's great when you see 07:37.500 --> 07:40.500 the footage that never airs, you know, when people are being made up, when 07:40.500 --> 07:43.500 people are getting ready for camera to go on, particularly people that you only 07:43.500 --> 07:48.500 see when the camera goes on. I love all that footage, which is also just 07:48.500 --> 07:54.500 obtained from newsreels, news footage. I hate it, though, when, you know, there's 07:54.500 --> 07:56.500 all this manipulation of... 07:57.000 --> 08:06.000 It's editing all different types of sound bites and bits together for effect with music 08:06.000 --> 08:07.000 that is either dramatic. 08:09.000 --> 08:12.000 You know don't really need I just didn't need that part 08:12.000 --> 08:16.000 Yeah, that that was the part of the end like a little bit of entertainment show that I 08:18.000 --> 08:25.000 credited what Michael Moore is trying to do with this documentary. Just as a minor example, 08:26.000 --> 08:33.000 is when he talks about the coalition of the willing, which is the United States preparing 08:34.000 --> 08:38.000 to go into Iraq and we have a coalition of foreign countries that are going to help 08:38.000 --> 08:43.000 us out. And then it's like one after another, it's like Morocco and all these countries 08:43.000 --> 08:50.000 that's made out not to matter. And the Netherlands also passes by. And when they're talking about 08:51.000 --> 08:56.000 the Netherlands in the movie, you see not a soldier, but you see someone just leaning forward, 08:56.000 --> 09:01.000 lighting up a hash pipe. And you know, which is funny because I understand what's trying 09:01.000 --> 09:08.000 to be said there. However, having visited with the Dutch Marines in Asimallah in Iraq, 09:09.000 --> 09:16.000 having lived with them for 10 days, doing a live broadcast, it felt a little shitty because 09:17.000 --> 09:19.000 I know those guys were there doing what they were doing. 09:19.500 --> 09:21.500 were asked to do and they were very serious about their part of 09:24.000 --> 09:30.000 contributing to rebuilding Iraq and this to me certainly having been there I 09:30.000 --> 09:34.000 found a little bit demoralizing and it immediately gave me the feeling that you 09:34.000 --> 09:39.000 know like hey even you know talking as a as a even though I have a US passport for 09:39.000 --> 09:43.000 a second talking as a European like you know fuck you Michael Moore you know 09:43.000 --> 09:47.000 we're two guys two of our guys died there and you know no one wrote about 09:47.000 --> 09:53.000 that in the American press you know we're not just a bunch of hash smoking 09:53.000 --> 09:58.000 hippies you know we're pretty serious no way man I am a hash smoking hippie 09:58.000 --> 10:02.000 anyway so I want to play a little bit I think this is probably the most important 10:02.000 --> 10:06.000 bit from this from this movie if you haven't seen it it'll just be a quick 10:06.000 --> 10:14.000 refresher where 9-11 has happened and everyone knows that Osama bin Laden has 10:14.000 --> 10:19.000 claimed this we have to go after Osama bin Laden he's in Afghanistan we send 11,000 10:19.000 --> 10:23.000 troops which turns out to be less than our police officers in Manhattan 10:25.500 --> 10:32.500 And this is when the switch comes, when all of a sudden the administration started talking about Iraq and we got to go to Iraq and Iraq. 10:37.500 --> 10:38.500 I'll just stop this after a certain point. 10:38.500 --> 10:40.500 I don't want to play too much of it. 10:40.500 --> 10:43.500 But this starts off with Richard Clark. 10:43.500 --> 10:47.500 He's on, I guess, Good Morning America, and Charlie Gibbons is interviewing him. 10:47.500 --> 10:48.500 And I'll let it play from there. 10:48.500 --> 10:54.500 Just so you can hear, this is the moment where the administration switched and where all 10:54.500 --> 10:59.500 the bullshit started as far as I'm concerned for us to invade Iraq. 10:59.500 --> 11:05.500 You come in September 12, ready to plot what response we take to al-Qaeda. 11:05.500 --> 11:08.500 Let me talk to the, about the response that you got from top administration 11:08.500 --> 11:10.500 officials on that day. 11:10.500 --> 11:12.500 What did the president say to you? 11:12.500 --> 11:17.500 The president in a very intimidating way left us, me and my staff, with the clear 11:17.500 --> 11:21.500 indication that he wanted us to come back with a word that there was an Iraqi hand 11:21.500 --> 11:25.500 behind 9-11 because they had been planning to do something about Iraq from 11:25.500 --> 11:27.500 before the time they came into office. 11:27.500 --> 11:29.500 Did he ask about any other nations other than Iraq? 11:29.500 --> 11:29.500 No, no, no. 11:29.500 --> 11:30.500 No, not at all. 11:30.500 --> 11:33.500 It was Iraq, Saddam, find out, get back to me. 11:33.500 --> 11:36.500 And were his questions more about Iraq than about al-Qaeda? 11:36.500 --> 11:37.500 Absolutely, absolutely. 11:37.500 --> 11:38.500 He didn't ask me about it. 11:39.000 --> 11:42.000 And the reaction you got that day from the Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, from his 11:42.000 --> 11:44.000 assistant, Paul Woltholst. 11:44.000 --> 11:49.000 Well, Donald Rumsfeld said when we talked about bombing the Al Qaeda infrastructure in Afghanistan, 11:49.000 --> 11:52.000 he said there were no good targets in Afghanistan. 11:52.000 --> 11:54.000 Let's bomb Iraq. 11:54.000 --> 11:56.000 And we said, but Iraq had nothing to do with this. 11:56.000 --> 11:58.000 And that didn't seem to make much difference. 11:58.000 --> 12:02.000 And the reason they had to do Afghanistan first was it was obvious that Al Qaeda had 12:02.000 --> 12:03.000 attacked us. 12:03.000 --> 12:06.000 And it was obvious that Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan. 12:06.000 --> 12:10.000 The American people wouldn't have stood by if we had done nothing on Afghanistan. 12:11.000 --> 12:15.000 OK, so here's one of those bits that I said that I really disliked where they're doing 12:15.000 --> 12:19.000 a whole Bonanza montage, although very funny. 12:19.000 --> 12:22.000 Let me just stop that, although very funny, totally unnecessary. 12:23.000 --> 12:28.000 You know, just make a documentary and let the funny bits be the irony of the subjects 12:28.000 --> 12:30.000 of the documentary themselves. 12:30.000 --> 12:31.000 That's the way I think it should be. 12:32.000 --> 12:34.000 Anyway, moving along. 12:36.000 --> 12:38.000 It was kind of depressing actually to watch that. 12:38.000 --> 12:40.000 But Patricia came home, she was in Amsterdam. 12:40.500 --> 12:44.500 preparing for a big fashion show this coming Sunday she's designed all the 12:44.500 --> 12:46.500 makeup for the models and 12:46.500 --> 12:49.500 and she said man you're really quiet and I have actually told her that I have it all 12:49.500 --> 12:51.500 queued up and loaded on the 12:51.500 --> 12:55.500 on the show server play out system on the big screen in the living room if she 12:55.500 --> 12:59.500 wants to watch it because it did bump me on a little bit 12:59.500 --> 13:04.500 uh... let's see from the mail bag I got a nice email from Doug Kay he's running 13:04.500 --> 13:05.500 IT conversation 13:09.000 --> 13:12.000 Actually, I'm going to go to the site right now. 13:12.000 --> 13:18.000 Yesterday, I was complaining that I couldn't get my fix of the Gilmore Gang and actually 13:18.000 --> 13:22.000 started tweaking my aggregator thinking that was the problem. 13:22.000 --> 13:27.000 He sent a Mia Culpa email saying there wasn't a Gilmore Gang. 13:27.000 --> 13:30.000 He should have posted a note and he was going to do it ASAP and I'm just checking the 13:30.000 --> 13:33.000 site now and there's no note still. 13:33.000 --> 13:34.000 But that's what happened. 13:34.000 --> 13:38.000 Hopefully Gilmore Gang will be back this coming Friday. 13:38.000 --> 13:45.000 I look forward to it because it is one of my favorite programs that I got on the iPod. 13:45.000 --> 13:49.000 Now I started up the mailing list for the iPod developers which of course is 13:49.000 --> 13:51.000 anything but exclusively for developers. 13:54.000 --> 13:55.000 of introductions. 13:57.000 --> 13:59.000 and I have a link to the email list. 13:59.000 --> 14:02.000 Anyone can join, please feel free to. 14:02.000 --> 14:04.000 It's great to see all these different developers 14:04.000 --> 14:06.000 and users talking to each other. 14:06.000 --> 14:10.000 They've all got different ideas, functionality, 14:10.000 --> 14:13.000 things that they're changing code. 14:14.000 --> 14:16.000 For instance, I'll just read one of these emails, 14:16.000 --> 14:17.000 quickly just the introduction. 14:17.000 --> 14:19.000 My name's Jonathan Green, while I'm not a developer, 14:19.000 --> 14:21.000 I'm an active user and thought out track 14:21.000 --> 14:23.000 what's going on with developments in iPodder. 14:23.000 --> 14:24.000 And the first thing he says, 14:24.000 --> 14:26.000 this is great as a user. 14:26.000 --> 14:29.000 He says, you know, still there's, you know, 14:29.000 --> 14:31.000 there's a lot of trouble with setting up 14:31.000 --> 14:35.000 the schedule of iPodder so that it runs automatically. 14:35.000 --> 14:37.000 And this is indeed, and there's been a couple more releases 14:37.000 --> 14:40.000 of stuff, this is still not completely done. 14:40.000 --> 14:42.000 I think that what I'd like, just speaking 14:42.000 --> 14:45.000 from a Mac user perspective, is just giving one 14:45.000 --> 14:47.000 of those disc images that opens up, you know, 14:47.000 --> 14:50.000 so it looks like I'm installing something serious. 14:50.000 --> 14:51.000 I don't want to know about script. 14:52.500 --> 14:54.500 And this should be maybe just an Apple script. 14:54.500 --> 14:55.500 And you double click on that. 14:55.500 --> 14:57.500 It stalls everything. 14:57.500 --> 15:03.500 You could make it call a crontab command line call 15:03.500 --> 15:05.500 and add a line to it. 15:05.500 --> 15:07.500 It should be relatively simple. 15:07.500 --> 15:10.500 And that's really what the users are looking for. 15:10.500 --> 15:11.500 I just want to put it in. 15:11.500 --> 15:14.500 I want to be able to forget about it. 15:14.500 --> 15:14.500 Let's see. 15:14.500 --> 15:21.500 We got another email here from Pete who wrote Renko. 15:21.500 --> 15:26.500 Another enclosure extractor. 15:26.500 --> 15:29.500 Why don't I have this email here? 15:29.500 --> 15:32.500 Now, he's more a developer also talking about cront jobs 15:32.500 --> 15:34.500 and how do we get stuff set up. 15:34.500 --> 15:38.500 And he was thinking, why don't we connect it to the iCal? 15:38.500 --> 15:40.500 I think that the iPodder is something 15:40.500 --> 15:43.500 that we want no glory on this. 15:43.500 --> 15:45.500 We just want to install and run and for people 15:45.500 --> 15:47.500 to forget about it. 15:47.500 --> 15:48.500 There's this. 15:48.500 --> 15:50.500 Anything else would be too much. 15:50.500 --> 15:54.500 And you can add features to it and do all kinds. 15:54.000 --> 15:58.000 of stuff but I think it has to be kept as simple as possible. 15:58.000 --> 16:08.000 And the another interesting email that came through on the list is from Martin Fenroy. 16:08.000 --> 16:17.000 He is a part of the iSpider team and iSpider is a Python version of iPodder and they've 16:17.000 --> 16:20.000 got it set up at SourceForge. 16:20.000 --> 16:26.000 So the URL is iSpider.SourceForge.net and they've got a great homepage, they've got a logo, they've 16:26.000 --> 16:28.000 got it all set up. 16:28.000 --> 16:34.000 And I actually ran this version and although it hasn't installed script which installs everything 16:34.000 --> 16:40.000 in the right place on Mac, you know, just give me please guys give me an Apple script to 16:40.000 --> 16:41.000 double click on. 16:41.000 --> 16:46.000 They've got some really cool additional features in this which are cool features though I 16:46.000 --> 16:49.000 don't know if I necessarily agree with them. 16:49.000 --> 16:54.000 First of all it's very elegant in the way it sets everything up and the way it moves stuff 16:54.000 --> 16:55.000 over to iPodder. 16:55.500 --> 17:02.500 It also runs on multiple platforms and by the time you're listening to this it should 17:02.500 --> 17:04.500 also do Windows Media Play. 17:06.000 --> 17:11.000 it works with iTunes and with Windows Media Player and since it's Python it's cross-platform. 17:11.000 --> 17:15.000 But it does something else. It also has a screen scraper in there. This I thought was, at first 17:15.000 --> 17:23.000 I thought it was really cool because you can add a URL to an RSS 2.0 file with enclosures 17:23.000 --> 17:29.000 and it'll grab everything from that and place it accordingly in the playlist. Or you can 17:29.000 --> 17:35.000 just give it a URL and it'll scrape the HTML code and any MP3 file it encounters it'll 17:35.000 --> 17:44.000 download. And it's funny because I tried it out. I tried it out on, you know, I wanted to do something that would only have one or two files on it of not very large size. 17:44.000 --> 17:53.000 And so I did scripting.com because I knew that Dave had his morning coffee notes, just a four minute version on there, which I let you hit a little excerpt earlier. 17:53.000 --> 18:01.000 But what it also did is it came across a link to SourceForge from yesterday and said, oh, you know, here's an MP3 file. 18:01.000 --> 18:06.000 So it brought that one in as well, which could be a little bit confusing. 18:07.500 --> 18:13.500 Particularly on which playlist it has to go to, although in that particular case everything worked out fine. 18:13.500 --> 18:18.500 But it's an excellent version of iPodder and I see a lot happening with that. 18:18.500 --> 18:24.500 So iSpider.sourceforgedor.net and I'll also be adding that to the download directory. 18:24.500 --> 18:27.500 Okay, so much for the mailing list. 18:27.500 --> 18:31.500 See, ran across, oh this was actually because of iSpider. 18:31.500 --> 18:39.500 They had a couple additional feeds in their, what they're calling the favorites list, 18:39.500 --> 18:43.500 which is basically the subscriptions that you download. 18:45.000 --> 18:52.000 And one of the sites which doesn't have an RSS 2.0 feed but does have a daily audio blog 18:52.000 --> 18:57.000 is called Lenswork.com, L-E-N-S as in camera lens. 18:57.000 --> 19:02.000 And it's a guy named Brooke Johnson who sells his photography and he has some beautiful 19:02.000 --> 19:03.000 pictures. 19:03.000 --> 19:07.000 But what he's doing in addition to that is he's maintaining a web blog and he's kind 19:07.000 --> 19:13.000 of helping people out by talking along with different tips on photography, which 19:13.000 --> 19:20.000 I think is a great way to, you know, to, I think it's, it's really, it's a good 19:20.000 --> 19:25.000 addition to what he's trying to get across this message with his photography 19:25.000 --> 19:29.000 and the fact that he wants you to pay like $99 for a print. 19:29.000 --> 19:31.000 And here's one of these blog posts. 19:31.000 --> 19:32.000 I'll just let you hear a little bit of it. 19:32.000 --> 19:38.000 I also think he has a great voice for this and the quality is just good. 19:38.000 --> 19:41.000 I think it's something that is worth looking at. 19:41.000 --> 19:45.000 This is an audio blog post titled Toys or Tools. 19:45.000 --> 19:46.000 One of the consumers. 19:46.500 --> 19:52.500 The most consistent themes that's come up in my recent conversations with photographers about their equipment choices 19:52.500 --> 19:58.500 is the challenge that they have in taking digital photography seriously. 19:58.500 --> 20:05.500 Admittedly, because of my personal history in photography, a lot of my friends are large format photographers. 20:05.500 --> 20:08.500 They're shooting 4x5s and 8x10 cameras. 20:08.500 --> 20:12.500 And these are cameras that it's pretty easy to take seriously. 20:12.500 --> 20:17.500 They're expensive, there's a lot of gadgets that have to be employed in order to use them successfully. 20:17.500 --> 20:20.500 It's expensive to shoot sheet film, etc. 20:20.500 --> 20:27.500 And somehow when these people pick up a digital camera, it just feels like a toy to them. 20:27.500 --> 20:34.500 Everything is automatic, focus is automatic, exposure is automatic, bracketing is automatic. 20:34.500 --> 20:38.500 There's no film costs. They don't have to develop the film when they get home. 20:38.500 --> 20:41.500 It just doesn't feel like a serious tool. 20:41.500 --> 20:47.500 But yet, those people who are using these tools in a serious way are realizing that... 20:48.000 --> 20:50.000 that they can do some very nice photographs 20:50.000 --> 20:52.000 and some really interesting artwork. 20:54.000 --> 21:00.000 That leads me to think that when it comes to tools, it's not the nature of the tool 21:00.000 --> 21:03.000 that determines whether or not it's a serious tool. 21:03.000 --> 21:06.000 It's the nature of the photographer's mind. 21:06.000 --> 21:12.000 If we approach the use of a tool in a serious way, if we approach it with a certain amount 21:12.000 --> 21:21.000 of creativity, reverence, respect for what it can do, then it can be a serious tool. 21:21.000 --> 21:27.000 But if you insist that a toy is merely a toy and you don't approach it carefully 21:27.000 --> 21:35.000 and thoughtfully and deliberately, then a toy will be a toy and the results will be likewise. 21:35.000 --> 21:42.000 So that's something that all, everyone who works at a big co-publisher or media company 21:42.000 --> 21:47.000 should listen to that at least twice a day. 21:47.000 --> 21:53.000 Because yeah, it's about the effort you put into these toys, but we're doing a lot of cool stuff. 21:53.000 --> 21:55.000 We've got web logs for publishing, we've got desks. 21:55.500 --> 22:00.500 top publishing. We've got Final Cut Pro for video, we've got all types of different software 22:00.500 --> 22:04.500 packages for audio, although not quite the one I'm looking for yet, but we're getting 22:04.500 --> 22:08.500 there. That's Brooks Jensen. You can check out a new audio blog post. Looks like he's 22:08.500 --> 22:13.500 doing them every single day at LensWork.com. Just a couple more things and I have a song 22:13.500 --> 22:17.500 of the day for you. Still working on this new show that I want to launch. 22:19.500 --> 22:22.500 this week or certainly beginning of next week for sure. 22:22.500 --> 22:26.500 On the technology front, remember now what I want to do is I want to connect other people 22:26.500 --> 22:31.500 over voice over IP so that I can have a conversation with them. 22:31.500 --> 22:34.500 Very much like the Gilmore Gang I guess, only, you know, talk about different things and 22:34.500 --> 22:37.500 maybe only start off with one co-host. 22:37.500 --> 22:42.500 But I don't want to have to resort to using a telephone and patching that into my computer. 22:42.500 --> 22:45.500 I should just be able to bring in a voice over IP call. 22:46.500 --> 22:52.500 That works only what I'm trying to figure out now is how do I route audio both to 22:52.500 --> 22:59.500 the recording side of recording a session on my laptop, excuse me, and also to the 22:59.500 --> 23:04.500 voice over IP client and I think I'm going to use iChat AV. 23:04.500 --> 23:09.500 I figured out that because for some miraculous reason Macintosh has something 23:09.500 --> 23:13.500 called core audio which you can do all kinds of interesting things with and 23:13.500 --> 23:17.500 there are a couple different programs I found we can actually patch the output 23:17.500 --> 23:20.500 of one application to the input of another application. 23:21.000 --> 23:27.000 But it doesn't really work with, for instance, quick time, because that doesn't have a preference 23:27.000 --> 23:31.000 setting for choosing the core audio drive or, you know, I'm probably digressing way too 23:31.000 --> 23:32.000 far on this. 23:32.000 --> 23:36.000 But I'm getting close, because, you know, the final thing is if I play a clip, I want 23:36.000 --> 23:41.000 the person on the other end or persons on the other end of the voiceover IP call, I 23:41.000 --> 23:45.000 want them to be able to hear what I'm sending down the pipe or, you know, what's being 23:45.000 --> 23:46.000 recorded. 23:46.000 --> 23:47.000 I actually got pretty far. 23:47.000 --> 23:52.000 I was able to patch everything together, but then wiretap, which I'm using as the 23:52.000 --> 23:57.000 recording device for all the audio, fails to work when you're patching audio through 23:57.000 --> 23:59.000 with different applications. 23:59.000 --> 24:00.000 So there's some conflict there. 24:00.000 --> 24:03.000 So I'm still working on that. 24:03.000 --> 24:07.000 But hopefully I'll be able to get something up and running within the next 24:07.000 --> 24:09.000 couple of days. 24:09.000 --> 24:15.000 And the song that I found, I can't remember if I found this on BlogDigger or 24:15.000 --> 24:17.000 how I came about it. 24:17.000 --> 24:21.000 But it's a typical, you know, internet kind of spoofie, funny song. 24:21.000 --> 24:22.000 And it's a song of the time. 24:22.500 --> 24:25.500 and I think you'll like it. It's called my JPEG baby. 24:28.750 --> 27:13.750 [ Music ] 27:18.000 --> 27:27.000 and that's it for the source code for today as always if you want to leave a comment do 27:27.000 --> 27:31.000 that on the web blog at curry.com or send me an email. 27:34.500 --> 27:39.500 And you can subscribe to the show by going to dailysourcecode.com where you can find all the archives 27:51.000 --> 27:54.000 The power of your influence.