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I got the top story of the day.

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Hi everybody, this is Trade
Secrets. I'm Adam Curry, coming
to you from Belgium and
somewhere

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on another computer is Dave
Weiner.

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Trade Secrets, man, here we are.
We're in Seattle talking like
we're, well, it ain't

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exactly like Jamaica, but it's
close. It's like 60 degrees
Fahrenheit here, man.

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Oh, really? What is that
centigrade? Here it's like 14
centigrade.

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So that's in the 50s. It's cold
and rainy and damp and messy
here.

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Just like home. Just like home.
Just like it is here, down home
in Seattle.

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Where you're still residing. How
was your first week there, Dave?

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I don't know. It's kind of
Seattle-like. I changed the, I
just changed this morning

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the time zone for something to
do. We're now back in the
Pacific time zone officially.

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Oh, so wait a minute. I want to
point out to our listeners that
even though we're

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both very capable, very
intelligent human beings with
special skills, Dave's

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an excellent developer. I can
fly helicopter, sophisticated
machinery.

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Somehow it was very difficult
for the two of us to figure out
nine hours time difference.

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We're going to do better next
time, you know that.

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Yeah, that's for sure. It's
going to be much better.

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Much better. So trade secrets.
Here we are. This is our second
show.

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And Dave and I just spoke
briefly. I was on my way back
from a conference in the car.

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And he, you officially knighted
me. You said, oh, you know,
whatever.

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You're the producer on all this
stuff. Yeah.

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Which means it's my
responsibility if it all fucks
up, right?

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Well, listen, absolutely. And
all the credit goes to you.

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I was listening to your daily
source code thing on one of my
walks where,

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by the way, I love the term
podcasting. Isn't that great?
Isn't that fantastic?

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Yeah. Good term. I did a Google
on it.

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And Ben Hammersley seems to have
the first use of it.

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So Ben Hammersley has
appropriated almost everything.

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I'm glad to be able to return
the favor to him.

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Hey, Ben, if you could hear
this, thanks a lot.

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Don't worry. I looked at the
server logs and people are
listening, Dave. Definitely.

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Are they really? Yeah. I saw
more than 600 downloads.

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Yeah. Well, this one will be
even better, I think.

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Sorry for today. Are you there?

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Yeah, I'm listening. I hear you.

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When you say, oops, I stopped.

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This magic six minute thing
coming up any minute now.

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No, no, no. I think we're going
to be okay. It should be all
right.

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Yeah. You know, you really, it
would be great if you took a
picture of the,

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of the sort of all the spaghetti
wiring and stuff. Love to see
what it looks like.

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Okay. I'll do that as we speak.

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Anyway, the big news today is
Twinkies Maker files for
bankruptcy.

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And this is something I didn't
know that they employ about
34,000 people.

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Holy crap.

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And it says, the maker of Hustis
Twinkies and Wonder Bread is
seeking bankruptcy

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court protection from its
creditors, which is kind of
weird.

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I think, you know, I guess it's
good. No, what do you think?

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Well, first of all, I'm shocked.
I'm shocked.

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This is not just one, but two
American icons.

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Ladies, please don't squeeze in
the Wonder Bread.

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Wow. That's outrageous. Does it
mention what the problem is?

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Is this not the Enron of snack
foods? Is that what we're at
now?

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It doesn't say. It doesn't say.
It doesn't say.

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I'll tell you one thing. It's
probably not on the acting side.

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If anything, you know.

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So, you know, Krispy Kreme is
kind of having the same problem.

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They were writing really, really
high-end.

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It was sort of like, you'd have
to wait for 15, 20 minutes to
get your donut

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at Krispy Kreme, but it was like
a party, you know?

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Yeah.

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Is it Chapter 11 that they
filed, or is that it?

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Yeah.

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Okay. Well, so then, I guess...

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So, you could probably pick it
up.

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Yeah, we could pick it up cheap,
you know.

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For $10 billion, you get all the
Twinkies you can eat.

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Cool. I would have liked that
when I was 12.

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I was really big into Twinkies.

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I can't remember the last time I
had a Twinkies.

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Well, you know, do you know that
there are no Twinkies

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of all places in the Netherlands
that have never heard of a
Twinkie?

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Really?

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And I predict that if they find
out about Twinkies in the coffee
shops

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of Amsterdam, then we can pull
that company on a bankruptcy in
no time.

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Yeah. Well, and then doing the
service on this,

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they found out there's like all
these different aftermarket
products

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with Twinkies, like, you know,
there's deep-fried Twinkies,

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which looks really good.

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The trick there is you freeze
them before you deep-fry them,

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and that sort of helps the
Twinkies not get all, like,

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you know, crazy on the inside.

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And then there are women who
dress up and go out on the town,

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and they call themselves
Twinkies,

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and they sort of dress like
Twinkies, and it's nice.

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They dress like Twinkies.

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They dress like Twinkies.

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See, they're pounds, you know,
not such a bad thing, you know.

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They look pretty good.

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And one of them, I'll post this
picture

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on www.stripp.com in a little
bit,

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but one of them has a little
food stain on the front of her
dress.

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Oh, no.

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Now, maybe that's Twinkies.

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Yeah, wow, there's a little
stain going on there.

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Anyway, all right, so I'm, by
the way, hearing an echo

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is not really that cool if
there's something to do with
that.

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Really?

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Let me just check, see if I can
do something about that.

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No, it's probably, you know,
I'll just turn down my
headphones.

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There's probably just you coming
back through my headphones,

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which I like to have them loud.

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That's a DJ problem.

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Really?

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Yeah, it's a real DJ tick.

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You know, you turn it up as loud
as you can.

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And of course, we all go deaf,
you know.

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Okay, that's cool.

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So it's pretty amazing this
works.

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Yeah, although once in a while,

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when you really talk loudly,

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when you modulate, then it cuts
out just a little bit.

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So I'm wondering if maybe if you
just pull back

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your mic gain or anything, you
could change there?

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Not really.

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I mean, I can, but.

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Yeah, okay.

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Well, there's a volume control.

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A volume control?

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Here.

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One, two, three, four, five.

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Is it going down?

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Yeah, this is good.

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Leave it like that.

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So the way we're connecting, as
we did with the first show,

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and this is, it's pretty cutting
edge stuff.

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What we're doing is I'm using
iChat AV

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and we've set up a call with

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AOL's Instant Messenger.

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Now, what's interesting is that
you can't just use

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the talk feature.

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In fact, it'll say that, you
know,

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that I don't support the talk
feature.

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So we have to actually open up
the webcam.

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I figured out a way.

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So we have a one-way video chat.

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So that way, I'm pushing out a
little bit of bandwidth

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and I have my camera covered.

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I just took a picture, Dave,
with a dish rag.

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So using as few bits as possible
on video connection,

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just using the audio.

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And, you know, I'm routing
everything around

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and everything seems to be okay.

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I'll knock on wood because my
Mac has not been happy

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since I've been doing all this.

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I think when you do this audio
stuff,

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it messes up the hard drive
somehow

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and sectors get all, yeah,
messed up.

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And now my computer won't wake
up from sleep.

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It'll wake up and it's
literally,

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you know, how your Mac has a
personality.

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And so it wakes up and it goes,

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oh, I don't think so. Click.

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It turns off.

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Yeah, my Windows machine has
personality too.

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Unfortunately, it's a really
shitty personality.

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It's like, and I had the same
exact thing happen

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to play The Sims 2, which I got,

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managed to get it to boot up for
like,

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and run for like one minute or
two minutes.

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Enough to know that I'm really
going to love it,

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but every time I try to run that
thing,

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it just totally hangs up my
system.

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Yeah, and I have to reboot
twice.

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Rebooting once isn't enough.

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So you have to like reboot and
then sort of like

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watch the machine suffer and
then reboot again

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and then you get your machine
back.

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And every time something like
that happens,

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the machine gets further and
further away

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from being anything that you
want to deal with.

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And then what do you eventually
wind up doing?

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I mean, I know what happens with
me

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is I usually wind up getting so
frustrated

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and like, oh, time for a new
laptop

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and it gets passed down the
line.

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Exactly.

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This machine was the result of a
Sony VIO

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getting into that state, which
is now

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sitting in a little container in
my parents' garage

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in New York City.

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I can tell this one's going
there, too.

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Well, unfortunately, yeah.

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Well, the same thing happened to
my server.

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I tried to run some software up
on

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the new server I put together.

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Now I can't bring Frontier to
the front

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without it crashing.

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So basically, yeah, it's one of
those situations.

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So everything basically...

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WebEdit to make changes.

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WebEdit. That's right.

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I'm doing all my stuff through
WebEdit,

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which is good discipline.

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It sort of keeps my
visualization ability active.

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Unfortunately, I finally have a
net connection

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that is good enough in Seattle
here.

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I have a cable modem net
connection,

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which is pretty good.

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And it's good enough for me to
VPN

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or whatever they call it into
that machine.

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But now I can't use it.

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Oh, man.

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That's just the way it goes.

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So maybe once we get Frontier
open sourced,

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we can start addressing some of
those

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kinds of issues and get some
good debugging

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environment in there.

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Regarding the Sims,

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on itconversations.com

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there is...

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I'm trying to think if maybe I
can find it.

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There's a whole speech by...

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What's the guy's name?

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The creator of the Sims?

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Will Wright.

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Will Wright?

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It could be Will Wright.

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And I listened to it.

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It's one of those hour-long
deals.

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And it was really good.

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He talked a lot about the
challenges

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and how they figured it all out.

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It was just unbelievable.

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Yeah, Will Wright.

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Damn.

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An hour and 44 minutes.

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That's captivating stuff.

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Yeah.

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Well, he's got a lot to say.

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I mean, you can see that they
spend a little bit more

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than an hour and 44 minutes
putting that game together.

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Yeah, it's also like...

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It's not really a game.

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So SimXXX has never been about
games.

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They're sort of like, you know,

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the worlds where you play God,
you know?

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And you can have a lot of fun.

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I read a comment on my blog a
year ago.

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And it was just after my uncle
died.

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And I was obviously in a pretty
Sims mode at the time.

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So in his honor, I basically
called my Sim...