WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:26.000 This is the Daily Source Code, and now here's Adam Curry. 00:26.000 --> 00:37.300 Hey, well, good afternoon everybody. A brand new opening for the show, this listener-supported 00:37.300 --> 00:41.600 show where users and developers party together at your Daily Source Code, thanks to Howard 00:41.600 --> 00:51.600 Greensteen, Howard from New York, who's also requested that I play some Barry Corral on 00:51.600 --> 00:54.720 the show, which I'll certainly do once I can find my exclusive live recording 00:54.720 --> 01:01.500 over. So, welcome to the Source Code for Monday. Today is the 27th of September 2004. 01:01.500 --> 01:05.520 It's quarter to four in the afternoon, coming to you from Flanders, Belgium, 01:05.520 --> 01:09.800 from Curry Castle, and we have a lot to talk about today. So much has happened 01:09.800 --> 01:13.840 over the weekend and it was several times I was just itching to jump 01:13.840 --> 01:20.940 behind the machine and come on in, huh? It's okay, I'm recording. Alright? Yeah. I just 01:20.940 --> 01:25.020 wanted to jump behind the machine and cut a Source Code, but I really, you know, 01:25.020 --> 01:28.780 there was just so much else going on, and Christina, who just walked into the 01:28.780 --> 01:35.320 bar slash studio area, who has the day off today from school, she won bronze 01:35.320 --> 01:41.460 medal with her, that was the national championships with her dressage, horse 01:41.520 --> 01:49.920 riding team. Congratulations, Christina. She's very talkative today. Thank you. So, I 01:49.920 --> 01:54.720 did have a couple chats with different people over the weekend. Let's see, with 01:54.720 --> 01:59.400 Steve Gilmore, that was a Skype chat. I've spoke to Dave Weiner a couple of 01:59.400 --> 02:03.240 times, and I've had lots of email conversation with people, because 02:03.240 --> 02:06.160 stuff was just happening over the weekend. It was amazing. Things are 02:06.160 --> 02:11.280 going so quickly. And the first thing I wanted to play for you today was, and 02:11.300 --> 02:16.460 I don't think I played this on Friday. If I did, I apologize. But remember Dr. Dave 02:16.460 --> 02:22.540 from Las Vegas gave me all the tips and pointers on how to record the daily 02:22.540 --> 02:27.420 Source Code at the equal or close to equal quality of sound, but with half 02:27.420 --> 02:32.140 the file size. And as you probably noticed from Friday's Source Code, the 02:32.140 --> 02:35.380 file was indeed about half the file size. And I think the audio was still 02:35.400 --> 02:43.600 reasonably good. So props go out to Dr. Dave. There was a couple of 02:43.600 --> 02:46.800 discrepancies, and I thought I caught it, and I thought that I also thought, 02:46.800 --> 02:52.280 well, maybe he's confusing bits with Hertz and whatever. But Doug Kay, who is 02:52.280 --> 02:58.480 the producer of ITConversations.com, the whole outfit is his as far as I 02:58.480 --> 03:03.680 know. By the way, Mia Culpa, during the first or second trade secrets, I 03:03.980 --> 03:08.060 said that I didn't think that Doug Kay was a streaming guy, and he sent me a 03:08.060 --> 03:13.860 very friendly email explaining exactly how much of a streaming guy he is. So I 03:13.860 --> 03:20.020 stand corrected big time. And of course, he's hosting all the ITConversations 03:20.020 --> 03:24.880 and he's also, he's in with us here, and on the loop on the iPod 03:24.880 --> 03:28.740 platform, and he's a content producer. It's great. And he has a lot of 03:28.740 --> 03:32.260 experience with file sizes and recordings, and he came back with 03:32.260 --> 03:36.800 the response, which is an audio, that's very nice, to Dr. Dave. So without 03:36.800 --> 03:41.320 further ado, here's Doug Kay with more tips on how to reduce your file size. 03:41.720 --> 03:45.120 Hello, Adam and listeners to the Daily Source Code. This is Doug Kay, the 03:45.120 --> 03:49.000 host and producer of ITConversations. And I just wanted to respond to 03:49.000 --> 03:53.640 something you broadcast in your show on Friday. It was a clip from Dr. Dave 03:53.640 --> 03:57.280 of Las Vegas, and Dr. Dave was trying to answer the question about 03:57.280 --> 04:00.360 what bit rates to use. And unfortunately, he made a fairly significant 04:00.380 --> 04:06.220 error. He said, for example, that a 32K bit rate was totally adequate 04:06.220 --> 04:09.900 for voice that it reproduced 16 kilohertz audio that it was as good 04:09.900 --> 04:13.340 as FM. And that's not the case. Dr. Dave is confusing a couple of 04:13.340 --> 04:17.340 different technological issues. He's confusing the bit rate of the 04:17.340 --> 04:22.660 MP3 audio with the sample rate. The sample rate is controlled by 04:22.660 --> 04:25.740 something called the sub nyquist theorem. The sub nyquist theorem 04:25.740 --> 04:29.220 says that if you want to sample analog data and reproduce it 04:29.220 --> 04:33.400 accurately, that you must sample at twice the highest frequency 04:33.400 --> 04:36.600 you want to reproduce. So for example, if you want to reproduce 04:36.600 --> 04:42.240 16 kilohertz audio, you need to have 32,000 samples per second. Now 04:42.240 --> 04:46.280 in WAV file format, which is a lossless format, those are 04:46.280 --> 04:50.600 typically 16 bit samples or two byte samples. So sampling at 04:50.640 --> 04:56.360 32,000 samples per second is actually 64,000 bytes per 04:56.380 --> 05:02.060 second, which is in fact 512,000 bits per second. So that's the 05:02.060 --> 05:05.300 sample rate, but it has relatively little to do with the bit 05:05.300 --> 05:09.220 rate of the MP3 encoder MP3 is a lossy compression technique 05:09.340 --> 05:12.460 similar to JPEG. We're going to throw away a lot of data when 05:12.460 --> 05:15.860 we get these compression ratios of 2030 40 to one and so forth. 05:16.340 --> 05:21.220 A 64K bit per second MP3 is generally considered the 05:21.220 --> 05:26.180 equivalent of FM. It's arguable. I think that a 64K MP3 05:26.180 --> 05:30.000 doesn't sound quite as good as good FM. I think a 96K bit per 05:30.000 --> 05:33.800 second MP3 is closer to a good FM signal, but that depends on the 05:33.800 --> 05:37.440 program material. Here's a brief history of the MP3 encoding 05:37.440 --> 05:40.400 rates we've used here at IT Conversations. When I started 05:40.400 --> 05:43.680 a year and a half ago, I encoded everything at 32K bits per 05:43.680 --> 05:47.040 second. The quality wasn't good, but I still got a number of 05:47.040 --> 05:50.160 complaints that the files were too big. The reason was that 05:50.160 --> 05:53.600 the MP3 players in those days could not take very large 05:53.600 --> 05:57.460 files. Over time things have changed quite quickly. Until 05:57.460 --> 06:01.180 recently we encoded everything at 48K bits per second. We got 06:01.180 --> 06:05.620 very few complaints. But now people who have MP3 players that 06:05.620 --> 06:09.660 have quite a bit more storage, such as a 40 gigabyte iPod, are 06:09.660 --> 06:13.220 asking us to use higher quality bit rates. They don't mind the 06:13.220 --> 06:16.820 larger files. So just within the past week, I've started 06:16.820 --> 06:21.500 encoding our files at 64K bits per second. That results in 06:21.500 --> 06:24.840 about 30 megabytes for one hour of audio. And that's my 06:24.840 --> 06:27.760 current recommendation for what people should be using for 06:27.760 --> 06:32.000 audio blogs, daily source code and the like. By the way, it's 06:32.000 --> 06:36.560 also not true that you need a higher bit rate for music than 06:36.560 --> 06:40.400 for voice. The waveform of human voice is very, very 06:40.400 --> 06:43.560 complex. And in fact, you will hear distortion in the 06:43.560 --> 06:47.320 human voice before you can detect it in most music. The 06:47.320 --> 06:50.360 reason being that you may not know how to predict the 06:50.360 --> 06:53.300 waveform in music, whereas with voice, if you know the 06:53.300 --> 06:55.700 person, you have certain expectations of what their 06:55.700 --> 06:58.900 voice will sound like. Another question that comes up is 06:58.900 --> 07:01.700 stereo versus mono. And do you need double the bit rate 07:01.700 --> 07:05.300 for stereo? Or are stereo files twice as large as 07:05.300 --> 07:08.500 mono files? In wave files, they are twice as large 07:08.500 --> 07:12.500 because it is a lossless format. But in MP3, one of the 07:12.500 --> 07:15.060 things that you're encoding is the difference between the 07:15.060 --> 07:17.300 left and right channels. So for example, if you're 07:17.300 --> 07:19.900 recording voice from a single microphone, it really 07:19.900 --> 07:24.400 doesn't matter whether you use a stereo MP3 at 64K or a 07:24.400 --> 07:27.500 mono MP3 at 64K bits per second because they'll be 07:27.500 --> 07:30.600 essentially the same. The only time that it really 07:30.600 --> 07:33.100 matters is when you have program material where the 07:33.100 --> 07:36.300 left and right channels are substantially different. As 07:36.300 --> 07:39.900 to the question of VBR or variable bit rate, this 07:39.900 --> 07:43.000 is a technique that does allow the MP3 to vary the 07:43.000 --> 07:46.000 bit rate from one frame to the next, but it's not 07:46.000 --> 07:48.340 supported by certain players. So I do not recommend 07:48.340 --> 07:51.440 recording VBR for audio blogs and the like. There's 07:51.440 --> 07:53.540 really nothing to gain. Anyway, if you have any 07:53.540 --> 07:57.640 questions, send me email dug at itconversations.com 07:57.940 --> 08:00.440 or you might want to check out a wiki page that I just 08:00.440 --> 08:06.640 posted to deal with this topic. Go to www.itconversations.com 08:06.640 --> 08:10.940 slash wiki, W-I-K-I. And somewhere there, you'll find 08:10.940 --> 08:14.140 a link to the page that deals with MP3 encoders 08:14.140 --> 08:17.140 and file formats and things like that. I hope this 08:17.140 --> 08:19.240 has been helpful. Keep up your great work on the 08:19.240 --> 08:21.740 daily source code. So far, I haven't missed a single 08:21.740 --> 08:24.440 show and I hope not to. Thanks. Alrighty, thank you 08:24.440 --> 08:27.840 very much. Doug Kay from itconversations.com. Wow, 08:27.840 --> 08:29.940 that was some excellent, excellent source code he 08:29.940 --> 08:34.540 dumped on us. Indeed, after listening to Dr. 08:34.540 --> 08:38.840 Dave from Vegas and the response from Doug Kay, 08:38.840 --> 08:41.840 I did get my file size down to about half and 08:41.840 --> 08:45.240 I am running also about 15 megs per half hour, 08:45.240 --> 08:47.740 so about 30 megs for an hour. And there was 08:47.740 --> 08:49.740 some mail that came in. Hold on a second, I'm 08:49.740 --> 08:51.840 going to switch applications here. Now, we've had 08:51.840 --> 08:53.940 bad luck with that in the past. It's working out. 08:53.940 --> 08:56.440 From Eric Elliott, I just want to share that 08:56.440 --> 08:57.840 with you. He said, I had a chance to catch up 08:57.840 --> 08:59.640 listening to you this past week's daily source 08:59.640 --> 09:01.540 code, also trade secret show with Dave. 09:01.540 --> 09:03.140 Want to address one topic that you mentioned 09:03.140 --> 09:04.640 both in one of your daily source codes and 09:04.640 --> 09:08.240 on trade secrets is about the AAC audio format. 09:08.240 --> 09:10.140 He says, now I certainly don't have any arguments 09:10.140 --> 09:12.740 against using MP3 and that would be my choice 09:12.740 --> 09:14.340 too since it's the most widely universally 09:14.340 --> 09:16.440 accepted format right now, but I wanted to 09:16.440 --> 09:19.740 clear up a misconception about AAC. AAC is 09:19.740 --> 09:22.640 not Apple's proprietary format. It's a 09:22.640 --> 09:24.540 standard that was basically developed by the 09:24.540 --> 09:27.640 MPEG group as the successor to MP3. It is 09:27.640 --> 09:30.240 actually the audio component to MPEG-4 09:30.240 --> 09:33.940 video. However, what is proprietary is the 09:33.940 --> 09:36.540 fair play DRM, that's digital rights 09:36.540 --> 09:38.740 management, that Apple has put on top of 09:38.740 --> 09:42.340 AAC in the iTunes music store. The reason 09:42.340 --> 09:44.440 that the iTunes purchase from 09:44.440 --> 09:46.540 iTunes music store only work on iTunes and 09:46.540 --> 09:49.940 the iPod is because the DRM, not AAC, but 09:49.940 --> 09:52.340 a non-fair play AAC will play on a 09:52.340 --> 09:55.240 variety of players. Just wanted to clear 09:55.240 --> 09:57.640 that up. That's Eric Elliott. Thank you 09:57.640 --> 10:00.640 very much Eric and he also posts a link 10:00.640 --> 10:04.440 Apple.com slash MPEG-4 slash AAC for 10:04.440 --> 10:06.840 some more information on that. Excellent. 10:06.840 --> 10:10.340 So I still think we should stick with 10:10.440 --> 10:12.840 MP3, but I'd like to hear a little bit more 10:12.840 --> 10:14.240 if people have more information. You know, 10:14.240 --> 10:17.840 this is a format that is just as, I don't 10:17.840 --> 10:19.140 know if it's just, if it can be just as 10:19.140 --> 10:21.840 open as MP3. Who controls MP3? No one. 10:21.840 --> 10:23.440 Is there a standards body or something? I 10:23.440 --> 10:25.540 don't think so. Well, there probably is 10:25.540 --> 10:28.540 and I'm sure by now people will already 10:28.540 --> 10:30.840 be hacking away the email. Set me straight. 10:30.840 --> 10:32.840 What I'm going to do right now is 10:32.840 --> 10:34.840 probably inviting Murphy in, but I just 10:34.840 --> 10:37.340 wanted to take a screenshot of my setup 10:37.340 --> 10:39.340 so you can see how I've got the show 10:39.340 --> 10:41.340 lined up for today because I don't have 10:41.340 --> 10:43.340 notes. I used to keep an outliner handy 10:43.340 --> 10:46.840 with notes and now I just have all of my 10:46.840 --> 10:48.840 my different sound clips and I have quite 10:48.840 --> 10:50.840 quite a few all set up and ready to fire 10:50.840 --> 10:52.840 and they're in a chronological order. 10:52.840 --> 10:54.840 So it may screw up the recording but 10:54.840 --> 10:56.840 I'm just going to try this. Hold on. 10:59.340 --> 11:01.340 It's thinking about it. 11:03.340 --> 11:05.840 Okay. Let me just see. 11:06.840 --> 11:09.340 Yep. It took a picture. Okay. Great. 11:09.340 --> 11:10.840 So we've got that and I'll post that 11:10.840 --> 11:14.340 because great excitement for me over 11:14.340 --> 11:17.340 the weekend. Just as I was, you know, 11:17.340 --> 11:19.840 about to give up on the Rubik's Cube 11:19.840 --> 11:21.840 of how we can route audio back and forth 11:21.840 --> 11:24.340 particularly like a radio station does 11:24.340 --> 11:26.340 where you call into a show, in this 11:26.340 --> 11:28.340 case the call in is through iChat or 11:28.340 --> 11:31.840 AOL Intim Messenger or Skype or 11:31.840 --> 11:35.840 SIP phone and we hear you on the air 11:35.840 --> 11:37.340 and we can control your volume, turn 11:37.340 --> 11:39.340 you on or off, but you also hear 11:39.340 --> 11:40.840 everything we're doing on the air 11:40.840 --> 11:42.840 minus your voice. So you can't be 11:42.840 --> 11:44.340 sending back a total signal because 11:44.340 --> 11:46.340 then you get this feedback loop and 11:46.340 --> 11:48.840 to me that was a Rubik's Cube I've 11:48.840 --> 11:50.840 been struggling with for two weeks 11:50.840 --> 11:54.340 now and I ran across actually through 11:54.340 --> 11:58.840 my referral log Hugo Schottmann. 11:58.840 --> 12:01.840 He's from, see he lives in Zurich 12:01.840 --> 12:03.840 and you can check out his weblog at 12:03.840 --> 12:06.840 log.hugoschottmann.com 12:06.840 --> 12:10.840 slash Hugo probably just www.hugoschottmann.com 12:10.840 --> 12:16.840 will work and that's H-U-G-O-S-C-H-O-T-M-A-N 12:16.840 --> 12:19.840 dot com and Hugo had been 12:19.840 --> 12:21.840 he posted this whole bit on his blog 12:21.840 --> 12:23.840 about how he'd been listening to me 12:23.840 --> 12:25.340 trying to figure it out and check out 12:25.340 --> 12:27.340 the trade secrets and he came up 12:27.340 --> 12:29.340 with a proof of concept and he 12:29.340 --> 12:31.340 actually recorded both sides of the 12:31.340 --> 12:33.340 conversation. I thought for a second 12:33.340 --> 12:35.340 there that he had also run into the 12:35.340 --> 12:37.340 echo problem, but it turns out he 12:37.340 --> 12:39.340 didn't and he had indeed found the 12:39.340 --> 12:41.340 perfect setup and posted a diagram 12:41.340 --> 12:43.340 and it was beautiful. Now I had 12:43.340 --> 12:45.340 downloaded the Soundflower virtual 12:45.340 --> 12:47.340 audio device a while ago in the 12:47.340 --> 12:49.340 beginning of my quest to figure out 12:49.340 --> 12:51.340 the perfect setup and just around 12:51.340 --> 12:53.340 when you know he's doing this 12:53.340 --> 12:55.340 setup all of a sudden things start 12:55.340 --> 12:57.340 to click in my head. Maybe it was just 12:57.340 --> 12:59.340 from listening to his MP3 because he 12:59.340 --> 13:01.340 hadn't posted it to a site yet but I 13:01.340 --> 13:03.340 was listening and like I think he 13:03.340 --> 13:05.340 might be you know maybe he did it 13:05.340 --> 13:07.340 this way and even though we came up 13:07.340 --> 13:09.340 with a different way of doing it I'm 13:09.340 --> 13:11.340 using Audio Hijack Pro and he's 13:11.340 --> 13:13.340 using a different, see what 13:13.340 --> 13:15.340 application is he using to record 13:15.340 --> 13:17.340 and he's also using GarageBand 13:17.340 --> 13:19.340 which I used to use and now 13:19.340 --> 13:21.340 longer he's just posted a whole 13:21.340 --> 13:23.340 bunch of updates with great 13:23.340 --> 13:25.340 soundtracks I think, yeah 13:25.340 --> 13:27.340 soundtrack to record 13:27.340 --> 13:29.340 and you know what you need no external 13:29.340 --> 13:31.340 gear and the Soundflower 13:31.340 --> 13:33.340 virtual device 13:33.340 --> 13:35.340 it's open source 13:35.340 --> 13:37.340 it's freely available so please check out 13:37.340 --> 13:39.340 Hugo's weblog it is 13:39.340 --> 13:41.340 phenomenal I'm so 13:41.340 --> 13:43.340 pleased that we have someone who's 13:43.340 --> 13:45.340 all over this and is helping us 13:45.340 --> 13:47.340 set it up. Now granted this is all still on a 13:47.340 --> 13:49.340 Mac and actually when I did a test call 13:49.340 --> 13:51.340 with Dave he was crying saying you know 13:51.340 --> 13:53.340 I want to play music too 13:53.340 --> 13:55.340 I was jamming tunes down the pipe too 13:55.340 --> 13:57.340 and it was great 13:57.340 --> 13:59.340 so we will keep working 13:59.340 --> 14:01.340 at it. Let me see 14:01.340 --> 14:03.340 actually I just got back 14:03.340 --> 14:05.340 from a quick trip up to Breda 14:05.340 --> 14:07.340 it's about 30 minutes from our house 14:07.340 --> 14:09.340 by car that's in the Netherlands 14:09.340 --> 14:11.340 where coffee shops are legal I had to 14:11.340 --> 14:13.340 go get a new supply 14:13.340 --> 14:15.340 I have actually the harvest that I had 14:15.340 --> 14:17.340 here at home for those of you following 14:17.340 --> 14:19.340 I have tried it it's 14:19.340 --> 14:21.340 okay but it's saying because 14:21.340 --> 14:23.340 it's all totally organic and I didn't 14:23.340 --> 14:25.340 really use anything 14:25.340 --> 14:27.340 special on it you got to smoke an awful 14:27.340 --> 14:29.340 lot before it has 14:29.340 --> 14:31.340 the desired effect so anyways 14:31.340 --> 14:33.340 I went up to get a little supply these guys 14:33.340 --> 14:35.340 that run the coffee shop from Morocco so 14:35.340 --> 14:37.340 they're all Arabs 14:37.340 --> 14:39.340 and I know them really well and we hang 14:39.340 --> 14:41.340 out and we drink 14:41.340 --> 14:43.340 Chinese tea, Moroccan tea 14:43.340 --> 14:45.340 which is basically Chinese tea with mint leaves 14:45.340 --> 14:47.340 and a ton of sugar in there 14:47.340 --> 14:49.340 and so we're just chilling out and we're 14:49.340 --> 14:51.340 talking and he was reading a Moroccan 14:51.340 --> 14:53.340 newspaper and it was a picture of Bush 14:53.340 --> 14:55.340 and Kerry on the front page 14:55.340 --> 14:57.340 and we got to talking 14:57.340 --> 14:59.340 and it was just 14:59.340 --> 15:01.340 I think what we concluded and it would have really made for 15:01.340 --> 15:03.340 a good podcast 15:03.340 --> 15:05.340 although it was in 15:05.340 --> 15:07.340 like four different languages it was 15:07.340 --> 15:09.340 in Morocco besides 15:09.340 --> 15:11.340 Arabic they also speak French 15:11.340 --> 15:13.340 so it was French it was Dutch 15:13.340 --> 15:15.340 it was English it was 15:15.340 --> 15:17.340 some Arabic words 15:17.340 --> 15:19.340 some general high Arabic 15:19.340 --> 15:21.340 which is generally 15:21.340 --> 15:23.340 understood and so 15:23.340 --> 15:25.340 I think what we 15:25.340 --> 15:27.340 concluded was that 15:27.340 --> 15:29.340 all politicians 15:29.340 --> 15:31.340 everyone in government is 15:31.340 --> 15:33.340 they're all in it for the money 15:33.340 --> 15:35.340 most of them are in it for the money 15:35.340 --> 15:37.340 all the big guys are 15:37.340 --> 15:39.340 what was he telling me he's saying the new president 15:39.340 --> 15:41.340 of 15:41.340 --> 15:43.340 Palestine so there's a new guy 15:43.340 --> 15:45.340 he apparently owns a huge factory in Israel 15:45.340 --> 15:47.340 you know it's like everyone's 15:47.340 --> 15:49.340 just in the game for 15:49.340 --> 15:51.340 for a lot of their own 15:51.340 --> 15:53.340 interests and certainly we know Bush is and he said 15:53.340 --> 15:55.340 you know 15:55.340 --> 15:57.340 maybe if we get Kerry then 15:57.340 --> 15:59.340 we have a chance at figuring out what he's about 15:59.340 --> 16:01.340 before 16:01.340 --> 16:03.340 he can really get his hoax in but Kerry 16:03.340 --> 16:05.340 is the same there's big money there 16:05.340 --> 16:07.340 there's his wife with Heinz 16:07.340 --> 16:09.340 there's all kinds of 16:09.340 --> 16:11.340 cronyism and nepotism 16:11.340 --> 16:13.340 and everything going on in government 16:13.340 --> 16:15.340 at all different levels 16:15.340 --> 16:17.340 and I think what we basically concluded is 16:17.340 --> 16:19.340 you know in 30 years 16:19.340 --> 16:21.340 there will be a new generation 16:21.340 --> 16:23.340 there'll be our kids and they'll hopefully have grown up a little bit 16:23.340 --> 16:25.340 differently and they'll have different 16:25.340 --> 16:27.340 values and we'll think about religion 16:27.340 --> 16:29.340 differently and won't hate each other 16:29.340 --> 16:31.340 kind of like 16:31.340 --> 16:33.340 the Germans now 16:33.340 --> 16:35.340 Germany completely 16:35.340 --> 16:37.340 flattened the Netherlands 16:37.340 --> 16:39.340 occupied it outright just killed people 16:39.340 --> 16:41.340 shipped off a million Jews 16:41.340 --> 16:43.340 flattened Rotterdam 16:43.340 --> 16:45.340 and the Germans 16:45.340 --> 16:47.340 still come to Holland on vacation 16:47.340 --> 16:49.340 they sit on our beaches and we get along fine 16:49.340 --> 16:51.340 and all the young German 16:51.340 --> 16:53.340 generation of my generation 16:53.340 --> 16:55.340 30 to 40 years old 16:55.340 --> 16:57.340 we don't give a fuck about what happened then 16:57.340 --> 16:59.340 we hope we can learn from it and we get along 16:59.340 --> 17:01.340 and there's no animosity and that eventually will probably happen 17:01.340 --> 17:03.340 in other parts 17:03.340 --> 17:05.340 of the world where huge conflict 17:05.340 --> 17:07.340 is abound at this time 17:09.340 --> 17:11.340 there was a couple other points 17:11.340 --> 17:13.340 that we came up with 17:13.340 --> 17:15.340 well I said that 17:15.340 --> 17:17.340 clearly this is where the 17:17.340 --> 17:19.340 internet probably will speed up that cycle 17:19.340 --> 17:21.340 I'm hoping 10 years maybe 17:21.340 --> 17:23.340 because we're just not buying it anymore 17:23.340 --> 17:25.340 we're not buying what's in the media 17:25.340 --> 17:27.340 we're not buying what's in 17:27.340 --> 17:29.340 what's being shown on television the speeches 17:29.340 --> 17:31.340 we're being lied to, you know you're being lied to 17:31.340 --> 17:33.340 read the small print, read the fine letters 17:33.340 --> 17:35.340 that go by 17:35.340 --> 17:37.340 within a millisecond that you're 17:37.340 --> 17:39.340 supposed to read that disclaimer 17:39.340 --> 17:41.340 and know that your actual results will vary 17:41.340 --> 17:43.340 due to road and weather conditions 17:43.340 --> 17:45.340 but anyway 17:45.340 --> 17:47.340 it was always fun to have a political conversation 17:47.340 --> 17:49.340 in four different languages 17:49.340 --> 17:51.340 while drinking some 17:51.340 --> 17:53.340 Moroccan tea and 17:53.340 --> 17:55.340 smoking some wonderful 17:55.340 --> 17:57.340 plant of mother earth 17:59.340 --> 18:01.340 but when I got back I checked 18:01.340 --> 18:03.340 my iPod or inbox better known as 18:03.340 --> 18:05.340 my iPod and I saw 18:05.340 --> 18:07.340 a whole bunch of interesting new bush clips 18:07.340 --> 18:09.340 that had come up and I figured I might as well 18:09.340 --> 18:11.340 just do a little bush block here 18:11.340 --> 18:13.340 including a political poem 18:13.340 --> 18:15.340 so first let me get to this first one 18:15.340 --> 18:17.340 it's probably been circulating around the internet 18:17.340 --> 18:19.340 that's why it shows up on the blog digger MP3 feed 18:19.340 --> 18:21.340 this is 18:21.340 --> 18:23.340 and it's Bush basically 18:23.340 --> 18:25.340 fucking up whatever he's saying 18:25.340 --> 18:27.340 he's trying to say peace 18:27.340 --> 18:29.340 but it comes out a little bit differently 18:29.340 --> 18:31.340 listen to this little clip 18:31.340 --> 18:33.340 it's in the interest of 18:33.340 --> 18:35.340 a long-term peace in the world 18:35.340 --> 18:37.340 that we work for 18:37.340 --> 18:39.340 a free and secure 18:39.340 --> 18:41.340 and peaceful Iraq 18:41.340 --> 18:43.340 a peon's free and secure 18:43.340 --> 18:45.340 Iraq in the midst of the Middle East 18:45.340 --> 18:47.340 will have enormous historical impact 18:47.340 --> 18:49.340 a peon's free and 18:49.340 --> 18:51.340 George hold on I'll roll that back 18:51.340 --> 18:53.340 so you don't have to do it okay 18:53.340 --> 18:55.340 let's listen that again 18:57.340 --> 18:59.340 and secure 18:59.340 --> 19:01.340 and peaceful Iraq 19:01.340 --> 19:03.340 a peon's free and secure Iraq 19:03.340 --> 19:05.340 in the midst of the Middle East 19:05.340 --> 19:07.340 will have enormous historical impact 19:07.340 --> 19:09.340 a peon's free and secure Iraq 19:09.340 --> 19:11.340 so that was one guffaw that 19:11.340 --> 19:13.340 I don't know where that came from 19:13.340 --> 19:15.340 this is my favorite one 19:15.340 --> 19:17.340 and I'm sure this is going to come back 19:17.340 --> 19:19.340 to haunt George W 19:19.340 --> 19:21.340 during his many years as ex-president 19:21.340 --> 19:23.340 and they want us to leave 19:23.340 --> 19:25.340 that's what they want us to do 19:25.340 --> 19:27.340 and I think the world would be better off 19:27.340 --> 19:29.340 if we did leave 19:29.340 --> 19:31.340 the world would be worse 19:31.340 --> 19:33.340 the world is better off if it's not leaving 19:33.340 --> 19:35.340 what? 19:35.340 --> 19:37.340 okay as the source code continues 19:37.340 --> 19:39.340 for Monday the 27th 19:39.340 --> 19:41.340 I've got a political poem for you 19:41.340 --> 19:43.340 and it just showed up in my iPod 19:43.340 --> 19:45.340 it's pretty good listen to it 19:59.340 --> 20:01.340 so they said something that 20:01.340 --> 20:03.340 maybe they shouldn't have said now 20:03.340 --> 20:05.340 I'm not saying it was you 20:05.340 --> 20:07.340 and I'm not saying it was me 20:07.340 --> 20:09.340 and I'm not saying that maybe it was somebody else 20:09.340 --> 20:11.340 maybe it wasn't 20:11.340 --> 20:13.340 I'm not saying anything anymore 20:17.340 --> 20:19.340 man I'm sorry this is nice music 20:19.340 --> 20:21.340 and I don't want to spoil it with another 20:21.340 --> 20:23.340 political tirade cause 20:23.340 --> 20:25.340 I don't even like political poetry 20:25.340 --> 20:27.340 cause most of it sucks and most of the 20:27.340 --> 20:29.340 political stuff that comes to me is even worse 20:29.340 --> 20:31.340 than the stuff that usually comes to me 20:31.340 --> 20:33.340 but 20:33.340 --> 20:35.340 I hate this president even more now 20:35.340 --> 20:37.340 than I did before 9-11 20:37.340 --> 20:39.340 a cancer on the world and in my soul 20:39.340 --> 20:41.340 we have met the evil empire 20:41.340 --> 20:43.340 and it is us every one of us who didn't vote 20:43.340 --> 20:45.340 maybe worse than I will vote 20:45.340 --> 20:47.340 from I hate everybody 20:47.340 --> 20:49.340 anyway I wrote this poem 20:49.340 --> 20:51.340 it's short it's me and spirited 20:51.340 --> 20:53.340 and I feel kind of bad about it 20:53.340 --> 20:55.340 but I mean I'm just so 20:55.340 --> 20:57.340 calm it goes like this 21:25.340 --> 21:27.340 die painfully slow with slow pain 21:27.340 --> 21:29.340 John Ashcroft 21:29.340 --> 21:31.340 die slowly 21:31.340 --> 21:33.340 painfully 21:33.340 --> 21:35.340 you are all criminals 21:35.340 --> 21:37.340 you will never go to jail 21:37.340 --> 21:39.340 so just die as soon as possible 21:39.340 --> 21:41.340 with great pain slowly 21:41.340 --> 21:43.340 I would die the slowest 21:43.340 --> 21:45.340 most painful death of all of you 21:45.340 --> 21:47.340 if it meant that just half of you 21:47.340 --> 21:49.340 would die now 21:49.340 --> 21:51.340 call me liberal call me twisted 21:51.340 --> 21:53.340 and sick I don't care 21:53.340 --> 21:55.340 I hate you all and I hope you all die 21:57.340 --> 21:59.340 and that's the poem 21:59.340 --> 22:01.340 and that's fine except 22:01.340 --> 22:03.340 I mean what's the difference anyway 22:03.340 --> 22:05.340 they die 22:05.340 --> 22:07.340 worse ones come take their place 22:11.250 --> 22:38.750 [ Music ] 22:39.340 --> 22:41.340 you know I really like poetry 22:41.340 --> 22:43.340 that doesn't sugarcoat it 22:43.340 --> 22:45.340 another political poem 22:45.340 --> 22:47.340 that was king missile 3 22:47.340 --> 22:49.340 I'm reading this from the id3 tags 22:49.340 --> 22:51.340 from the album royal lunch 22:51.340 --> 22:53.340 and oh man that's 22:53.340 --> 22:55.340 exercising your free speech there isn't it 22:55.340 --> 22:57.340 damn but I think that 22:57.340 --> 22:59.340 just listening to that 22:59.340 --> 23:01.340 the point is maybe just like 23:01.340 --> 23:03.340 we had Hitler we had Stalin 23:03.340 --> 23:05.340 we had Mussolini and they're all gone 23:05.340 --> 23:07.340 and new ones come with Idi Amin 23:07.340 --> 23:09.340 and they're dictators the world over 23:09.340 --> 23:11.340 Gaddafi and 23:11.340 --> 23:13.340 they'll go eventually we all go 23:13.340 --> 23:15.340 and then new ones pop up 23:15.340 --> 23:17.340 and let's just hope that 23:17.340 --> 23:19.340 we can steer 23:19.340 --> 23:21.340 our leaders and I think that 23:21.340 --> 23:23.340 that's a lot about what 23:23.340 --> 23:25.340 what blogs are about and podcasting 23:25.340 --> 23:27.340 it's exactly the same it's all freedom of speech 23:27.340 --> 23:29.340 and it's really really important 23:29.340 --> 23:31.340 okay let me just go back to the mail bag 23:31.340 --> 23:33.340 because I had a lot of mail 23:33.340 --> 23:35.340 that came in 23:35.340 --> 23:37.340 Jonathan Green sent me a note about 23:37.340 --> 23:39.340 Mars edit I was raving about that 23:39.340 --> 23:41.340 the other day hoping that 23:41.340 --> 23:43.340 they'll build in 23:43.340 --> 23:45.340 enclosure support pretty soon I mean 23:45.340 --> 23:47.340 I've been using it now for the past well 23:47.340 --> 23:49.340 it feels like about a week 23:49.340 --> 23:51.340 I like it very very much it's really 23:51.340 --> 23:53.340 I have a central place for all of my weblog publishing 23:53.340 --> 23:55.340 it's easy to edit 23:55.340 --> 23:57.340 there's just no waiting involved 23:57.340 --> 23:59.340 no waiting for browsers to render 23:59.340 --> 24:01.340 it probably stores a local copy of stuff 24:01.340 --> 24:03.340 in its own cache 24:03.340 --> 24:05.340 it's great it's really good stuff 24:05.340 --> 24:07.340 and he suggested 24:07.340 --> 24:09.340 installing the book market 24:09.340 --> 24:11.340 because 24:11.340 --> 24:13.340 I said there was a script that you can post from Safari 24:13.340 --> 24:15.340 it's called the script 24:15.340 --> 24:17.340 it goes from Safari in the Mars edit 24:17.340 --> 24:19.340 scripts menu 24:19.340 --> 24:21.340 and the book market is cool 24:21.340 --> 24:23.340 because it does the same thing 24:23.340 --> 24:25.340 it also gives you a routing tag 24:25.340 --> 24:27.340 like via and then you put in whoever it came from 24:27.340 --> 24:29.340 and 24:29.340 --> 24:31.340 just more good stuff smart 24:31.340 --> 24:33.340 smart user stuff that I'm really enjoying using 24:35.340 --> 24:37.340 let me see 24:37.340 --> 24:39.340 what is this here 24:39.340 --> 24:41.340 this is just a shout out 24:41.340 --> 24:43.340 from Kurt Wendelkin 24:43.340 --> 24:45.340 IT Pro working for the U.S. Navy 24:45.340 --> 24:47.340 it says in case you've been noticing 24:47.340 --> 24:49.340 the dot navy dot mill hits 24:49.340 --> 24:51.340 in your logs yet didn't go unnoticed 24:51.340 --> 24:53.340 I try every day to move tech users 24:53.340 --> 24:55.340 in my giant organization forward 24:55.340 --> 24:57.340 your stuff certainly helps me to keep thinking 24:57.340 --> 24:59.340 I'm happy to hear it 24:59.340 --> 25:01.340 that's a lot about 25:01.340 --> 25:03.340 what the source code is for 25:03.340 --> 25:05.340 try to get users and developers to party together 25:07.340 --> 25:09.340 hold on 25:09.340 --> 25:11.340 let me see I had a couple other comments 25:11.340 --> 25:13.340 that came in through the web log 25:13.340 --> 25:15.340 oh yeah there is 25:15.340 --> 25:17.340 there have been some comments about 25:17.340 --> 25:19.340 I posted that I'm pushing about 9 gigs 25:19.340 --> 25:21.340 a day out 25:21.340 --> 25:23.340 through my servers for 25:23.340 --> 25:25.340 for the daily source code and trade secrets 25:25.340 --> 25:27.340 and I called that a bump in the road 25:27.340 --> 25:29.340 and I mean that you know it is a bump in the road 25:29.340 --> 25:31.340 we're going to fix this 25:31.340 --> 25:33.340 and I think the first and most important 25:33.340 --> 25:35.340 thing we can do before we get it 25:35.340 --> 25:37.340 to the ISP level is getting bit torrent 25:37.340 --> 25:39.340 fully integrated 25:39.340 --> 25:41.340 I played with that I finally subscribed 25:41.340 --> 25:43.340 to my first bit torrent feed 25:43.340 --> 25:45.340 what is it 25:45.340 --> 25:47.340 it's the Air America archives 25:47.340 --> 25:49.340 they have an archive 25:49.340 --> 25:51.340 an RSS 2.0 25:51.340 --> 25:53.340 podcast feed for you to subscribe to 25:53.340 --> 25:55.340 and 25:55.340 --> 25:57.340 it brings in recent shows 25:57.340 --> 25:59.340 through bit torrent 25:59.340 --> 26:01.340 as OGG files 26:01.340 --> 26:03.340 which is another compression 26:03.340 --> 26:05.340 standard which 26:05.340 --> 26:07.340 I think it's a pretty geeky standard 26:07.340 --> 26:09.340 it compresses stuff incredibly 26:09.340 --> 26:11.340 I think it compresses about twice as much as mp3 26:11.340 --> 26:13.340 at least it seems that way from the file size 26:13.340 --> 26:15.340 iTunes doesn't support it out of the box 26:15.340 --> 26:17.340 you have to download a plug in 26:17.340 --> 26:19.340 but anyway 26:19.340 --> 26:21.340 so if that's the way it's coming 26:21.340 --> 26:23.340 I still want to listen to it 26:23.340 --> 26:25.340 and 26:25.340 --> 26:27.340 iPod or X successfully 26:27.340 --> 26:29.340 got the bit torrents, downloaded the show 26:29.340 --> 26:31.340 it created the folder 26:31.340 --> 26:33.340 I didn't quite put the files into the folder 26:33.340 --> 26:35.340 and renamed them as mp.mp3 26:35.340 --> 26:37.340 instead of its original dot OGG format 26:37.340 --> 26:39.340 we'll get all that worked out 26:39.340 --> 26:41.340 but the iPod or concept is there 26:41.340 --> 26:43.340 and it's working 26:43.340 --> 26:45.340 and what we need to do now 26:45.340 --> 26:47.340 is make the publishing of mp3 26:47.340 --> 26:49.340 a little more easier 26:49.340 --> 26:51.340 so that you don't have to go through the process 26:51.340 --> 26:53.340 and I've done it myself just in 26:53.340 --> 26:55.340 local bench testing of 26:55.340 --> 26:57.340 okay here we go, first 26:57.340 --> 26:59.340 create the mp3 tags 26:59.340 --> 27:01.340 then I'm going to make a bit torrent out of it 27:01.340 --> 27:03.340 then I have to upload the torrent 27:03.340 --> 27:05.340 upload the file 27:05.340 --> 27:07.340 it's just 27:07.340 --> 27:09.340 a lot of 27:09.340 --> 27:11.340 a lot of steps to go through 27:11.340 --> 27:13.340 and then just briefly at the ISP level 27:13.340 --> 27:15.340 I also did a test I threw up the latest trade secrets 27:15.340 --> 27:17.340 on my .mac account 27:17.340 --> 27:19.340 where I bought a gigabyte of disk space 27:19.340 --> 27:21.340 if you want to publish 27:21.340 --> 27:23.340 there's going to be pain somewhere 27:23.340 --> 27:25.340 even if you have a weblog 27:25.340 --> 27:27.340 if you get slash dotted 27:27.340 --> 27:29.340 eventually you have to pay for bandwidth 27:29.340 --> 27:31.340 now bandwidth is being commoditized 27:31.340 --> 27:33.340 that can really help you 27:33.340 --> 27:35.340 but we want to make sure that we're not 27:35.340 --> 27:37.340 victims of our own success here 27:37.340 --> 27:39.340 and shouldn't be 27:39.340 --> 27:41.340 that every single time your show takes off 27:41.340 --> 27:43.340 and people are listening to you 27:43.340 --> 27:45.340 and you've got a popular show that your bandwidth 27:45.340 --> 27:47.340 bill goes up that's not the economy 27:47.340 --> 27:49.340 of scale that traditional 27:49.340 --> 27:51.340 radio or television have 27:51.340 --> 27:53.340 and I think that's where bit torrent is going to 27:53.340 --> 27:55.340 is going to help us 27:55.340 --> 27:57.340 and that's mainly because this is not streaming 27:57.340 --> 27:59.340 it's time shifting it's downloading 27:59.340 --> 28:01.340 we can effectively distribute the load 28:01.340 --> 28:03.340 and I think we're doing a pretty good job 28:03.340 --> 28:05.340 so far with the integration of bit torrent 28:05.340 --> 28:07.340 from what I've seen 28:07.340 --> 28:09.340 in iPod or X 28:11.340 --> 28:13.340 also Danny 28:13.340 --> 28:15.340 Gregor 28:15.340 --> 28:17.340 Gregory 28:17.340 --> 28:19.340 we've been emailing back and forth 28:19.340 --> 28:21.340 and I mentioned him before on the source code 28:21.340 --> 28:23.340 he's submitting a proposal 28:23.340 --> 28:25.340 with 28:25.340 --> 28:27.340 our buddy Dave Slusher from Evil Genius Chronicles 28:27.340 --> 28:29.340 for the O'Reilly 28:29.340 --> 28:31.340 E-Tech conference 28:31.340 --> 28:33.340 and they're going to do it about 28:33.340 --> 28:35.340 podcasting 28:35.340 --> 28:37.340 and the iPod platform 28:37.340 --> 28:39.340 see if they actually have a 28:39.340 --> 28:41.340 I guess they're calling it podcasting 28:41.340 --> 28:43.340 and they invited me to go along with them 28:43.340 --> 28:45.340 now that's not going to work 28:45.340 --> 28:47.340 schedule wise with the move and everything 28:47.340 --> 28:49.340 excuse me 28:49.340 --> 28:51.340 hold on let me just get rid of this 28:53.340 --> 28:55.340 ah there we go that's better 28:55.340 --> 28:57.340 so I said but no please 28:57.340 --> 28:59.340 you guys go have a ball 28:59.340 --> 29:01.340 and let's see 29:01.340 --> 29:03.340 apparently that's the conference to be at 29:03.340 --> 29:05.340 I don't know I don't really do a lot of 29:05.340 --> 29:07.340 conferences 29:07.340 --> 29:09.340 certainly not conference conferences 29:09.340 --> 29:11.340 but they're submitting a proposal and I guess 29:11.340 --> 29:13.340 they're going to get out there and 29:13.340 --> 29:15.340 we'll keep an eye on them 29:15.340 --> 29:17.340 and they'll be reporting to us of course 29:17.340 --> 29:19.340 regarding 29:19.340 --> 29:21.340 conferences blogger con 3 29:21.340 --> 29:23.340 coming up the 6th of November 29:23.340 --> 29:25.340 in Palo Alto 29:25.340 --> 29:27.340 bloggercon.org is where you want to 29:27.340 --> 29:29.340 check it out and I'll be leading a discussion 29:29.340 --> 29:31.340 on podcasting myself 29:31.340 --> 29:33.340 and I wrote up a description today 29:33.340 --> 29:35.340 you can check it out it's on the web 29:35.340 --> 29:37.340 blog at bloggercon.com 29:37.340 --> 29:39.340 and if anyone listening to 29:39.340 --> 29:41.340 this podcast 29:41.340 --> 29:43.340 you know can 29:43.340 --> 29:45.340 come or is planning on coming let me know 29:45.340 --> 29:47.340 you know let's get some stuff set up 29:47.340 --> 29:49.340 I really hope we can have a massive jam 29:49.340 --> 29:51.340 parties we're all bringing our mobile studios 29:51.340 --> 29:53.340 and we need to talk about setups 29:53.340 --> 29:55.340 and how it works and all the stuff 29:55.340 --> 29:57.340 that we're talking about on the iPod or dev list 29:57.340 --> 29:59.340 you can hear by the way that 29:59.340 --> 30:01.340 our good buddy Luke is blowing the leaves 30:01.340 --> 30:03.340 outside the castle 30:03.340 --> 30:05.340 at the moment outside of the bar 30:05.340 --> 30:07.340 door where we are 30:07.340 --> 30:09.340 alright let's play some more fun stuff 30:09.340 --> 30:11.340 I got an 30:11.340 --> 30:13.340 email from 30:13.340 --> 30:15.340 Tony 30:15.340 --> 30:17.340 and now my email there we go 30:17.340 --> 30:19.340 Tony Khan 30:19.340 --> 30:21.340 he was another fan of the source code 30:21.340 --> 30:23.340 he's in Boston 30:23.340 --> 30:25.340 and he's working at 30:25.340 --> 30:27.340 Public Radio at WGBH 30:27.340 --> 30:29.340 and 30:29.340 --> 30:31.340 he does let me see if he 30:31.340 --> 30:33.340 yeah I think he produces I don't know if he hosts it 30:33.340 --> 30:35.340 but he produces a series of short stories 30:35.340 --> 30:37.340 called Morning Stories 30:37.340 --> 30:39.340 and 30:39.340 --> 30:41.340 he pointed me to them and you can get them in streaming 30:41.340 --> 30:43.340 there's also a download 30:43.340 --> 30:45.340 MP3 archive and they're really good 30:45.340 --> 30:47.340 and so I suggested well you know 30:47.340 --> 30:49.340 dude why don't you get it 30:49.340 --> 30:51.340 an RSS 2.0 30:51.340 --> 30:53.340 podcasting feed together and I'll point to it 30:53.340 --> 30:55.340 and then everyone can enjoy this so it'll be that much better 30:55.340 --> 30:57.340 and so he said well yep 30:57.340 --> 30:59.340 certainly what is this 30:59.340 --> 31:01.340 quote here hi Adam wish there was 31:01.340 --> 31:03.340 an RSS feed you're way ahead of us that makes 31:03.340 --> 31:05.340 you such a force in changing 31:05.340 --> 31:07.340 the face of radio I'll see if I can 31:07.340 --> 31:09.340 make it happen you know how hard it is to make 31:09.340 --> 31:11.340 an elephant sized operation like WGBH 31:11.340 --> 31:13.340 remember it can still dance 31:13.340 --> 31:15.340 Tony I'm sure you are teaching 31:15.340 --> 31:17.340 at New Steps as we speak 31:17.340 --> 31:19.340 and I want to play this bit 31:19.340 --> 31:21.340 which is one of the 31:21.340 --> 31:23.340 Morning Stories series 31:23.340 --> 31:25.340 and meanwhile hopefully by the time we get back 31:25.340 --> 31:27.340 the leaf blowing will have diminished a little bit 31:27.340 --> 31:29.340 check this one out 31:29.340 --> 31:31.340 it's titled one eight hundred your dad 31:45.340 --> 31:47.340 a meaningful relationship 31:47.340 --> 31:49.340 press one if you call to chat 31:49.340 --> 31:51.340 press two if you call 31:51.340 --> 31:53.340 to apologize for not having 31:53.340 --> 31:55.340 phoned in months 31:55.340 --> 31:57.340 press three if you really called 31:57.340 --> 31:59.340 for money one 31:59.340 --> 32:01.340 you call to 32:01.340 --> 32:03.340 shoot the breeze press one 32:03.340 --> 32:05.340 if you want to hear about my problems 32:05.340 --> 32:07.340 press two if you want 32:07.340 --> 32:09.340 us to hear about your problems 32:09.340 --> 32:11.340 or press three at any time 32:11.340 --> 32:13.340 if what you really called about 32:13.340 --> 32:15.340 was money 32:15.340 --> 32:17.340 come on one 32:17.340 --> 32:19.340 you want to hear about my problems 32:19.340 --> 32:21.340 how thoughtful 32:21.340 --> 32:23.340 press one to hear what we think 32:23.340 --> 32:25.340 about your girlfriend Yolanda 32:25.340 --> 32:27.340 press two to hear 32:27.340 --> 32:29.340 what we think about your plan to motorcycle 32:29.340 --> 32:31.340 around the world with your barbarian 32:31.340 --> 32:33.340 friends on with them press three 32:33.340 --> 32:35.340 if what you really called about 32:35.340 --> 32:37.340 was money 32:37.340 --> 32:39.340 you finally press three 32:39.340 --> 32:41.340 please enter now the 32:41.340 --> 32:43.340 dollar amount you are requesting 32:43.340 --> 32:45.340 followed by the pound sign 32:45.340 --> 32:47.340 at the bottom of the dial 32:47.340 --> 32:49.340 one 32:49.340 --> 32:51.340 two 32:51.340 --> 32:53.340 the heck I won't get it anyway 32:53.340 --> 32:55.340 one 32:55.340 --> 32:57.340 pound sign 32:57.340 --> 32:59.340 five thousand 32:59.340 --> 33:01.340 dollars 33:01.340 --> 33:03.340 are you out of your mind 33:03.340 --> 33:05.340 press one to hear my lecture 33:05.340 --> 33:07.340 on how I am not far nuts 33:07.340 --> 33:09.340 press two to hear your mother 33:09.340 --> 33:11.340 weeping inconsolably about 33:11.340 --> 33:13.340 where she went wrong with you 33:13.340 --> 33:15.340 press three if you are willing 33:15.340 --> 33:17.340 to settle for one hundred dollars cash 33:17.340 --> 33:19.340 no questions asked by return mail 33:19.340 --> 33:21.340 hmm 33:21.340 --> 33:23.340 please hold your request is being 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be eating 34:11.340 --> 34:13.340 there you go one eight hundred 34:13.340 --> 34:15.340 um 34:15.340 --> 34:17.340 your dad from WGBH 34:17.340 --> 34:19.340 and as soon as they get 34:19.340 --> 34:21.340 a feed together I will most definitely point to it 34:21.340 --> 34:23.340 okay so there's still a little bit of leaf 34:23.340 --> 34:25.340 blowing going on but 34:25.340 --> 34:27.340 you know maybe we'll make this a double shot 34:27.340 --> 34:29.340 source code today 34:29.340 --> 34:31.340 playing a full hours 34:31.340 --> 34:33.340 worth of all the best that I've 34:33.340 --> 34:35.340 tripped across on the net 34:35.340 --> 34:37.340 let's listen to the Isles right now 34:37.340 --> 34:39.340 who's that lady 34:41.250 --> 39:41.250 [ Music ] 39:48.260 --> 39:53.980 until the iTunes Music Store comes to Europe, the European Union, where it is end of October, 39:53.980 --> 39:59.740 because then I can download and happily pay for a good version of the Isley Brothers, who 39:59.740 --> 40:00.740 is that lady? 40:00.740 --> 40:06.740 This had a dropout somewhere in the middle there, you know, come on people. 40:06.740 --> 40:11.620 Yeah, so I wonder how many of you skipped ahead to this part and didn't listen to the Isley 40:11.620 --> 40:12.620 Brothers? 40:12.620 --> 40:14.300 Does everyone always listen to all the songs? 40:14.300 --> 40:16.380 Let me know, adamantcurry.com. 40:16.380 --> 40:19.020 So yeah, we're going to make this a double shot of the source code for today because 40:19.020 --> 40:28.260 there's just so much to talk about, and what's the worst is when great stuff happens on Friday, 40:28.260 --> 40:31.460 and then I sit there all weekend thinking, oh man, I got to talk about this stuff. 40:31.460 --> 40:32.460 I don't remember what to talk about. 40:32.460 --> 40:33.460 I'm writing stuff down. 40:33.460 --> 40:34.460 I've got outlines all over the place. 40:34.460 --> 40:35.460 I've got bits, notes. 40:35.460 --> 40:39.180 I mean, I've never, I haven't been this active since the first time I hosted the 40:39.180 --> 40:41.620 morning show on Z100 in New York. 40:41.620 --> 40:44.580 You know, I'm just totally, everything is show prep mode, which is great. 40:44.580 --> 40:48.980 I love it because I have so much to talk about, and it's my version of web-logging. 40:48.980 --> 40:51.100 On Friday, there was a new Gilmore Gang that was put up. 40:51.100 --> 40:52.340 You know how much I love this show? 40:52.340 --> 40:57.700 It's at itconversations.com, the Gilmore Gang, Steve Gilmore, John Udell, Doc Searls, 40:57.700 --> 41:01.020 and they always have some guests on there. 41:01.020 --> 41:06.820 And I have to say, a lot of this show was about iPodder, and I mentioned this on Trade 41:06.820 --> 41:10.820 Secrets because Dave called up, and so we might have said, well shoot, we're talking 41:10.820 --> 41:14.460 and we want to talk about this Gilmore Gang thing, and so we recorded a show out 41:14.460 --> 41:19.500 of it and put it up, if you haven't heard it, secrets.scripting.com. 41:19.500 --> 41:28.140 And it was, you know, they kept wandering away to talk about suns, you know, buy computer 41:28.140 --> 41:34.420 cycles, buy the hour offering, I actually posted a link to that on my web-log, and 41:34.420 --> 41:38.500 they kept coming back to iPodder, and it was great to hear, you know, they were clearly 41:38.500 --> 41:42.220 excited about it, and it was wonderful to hear it, but there were some errors in 41:42.260 --> 41:46.260 there that, you know, I was listening, you have to understand that, you know, if you 41:46.260 --> 41:49.460 read a newspaper and you read an interview, an article about yourself, and 41:49.460 --> 41:52.820 there's something wrong, like, oh man, shit. And then you see it on TV, you know, 41:52.820 --> 41:56.620 sometimes you feel like throwing the remote, and you hear stuff on radio or 41:56.620 --> 41:59.860 your iPod, and I'm like, I'm jumping up and down, like, no, that's not right, 41:59.860 --> 42:04.420 that's not right. So I did get some interesting points wrong, and I was 42:04.420 --> 42:09.660 thinking about, you know, playing back the show, stopping it, and talking 42:09.660 --> 42:14.700 about, you know, exactly what they said, but I didn't have to, because Saturday 42:14.700 --> 42:18.740 morning on my iPod, waiting for me, was a new evil genius Chronicles, Dave Slusher 42:18.740 --> 42:24.260 had done exactly that, he did it in post-production, in edit, but I figured, 42:24.260 --> 42:27.820 I'll just play you a little bit, a clip, and then the response that Dave gives 42:27.820 --> 42:31.940 to that clip, because his response is, it's just excellent, it was, it just 42:31.940 --> 42:36.380 really cracked me up. So this is a bit of the evil genius Chronicles from 42:36.380 --> 42:41.820 September 25th, 2004, regarding the Gilmore gang of the same date. 42:41.820 --> 42:47.340 Well there's an optional portion, effectively, of RSS called Enclosures, 42:47.340 --> 42:50.620 that bear the greatest similarity to email attachment. 42:50.620 --> 42:53.260 Hold on a second, you know what I should do, I should probably rewind this just a 42:53.260 --> 42:57.220 little bit, just so that you can hear Dave's intro and who's talking here, 42:57.220 --> 42:59.100 hold on a second. 42:59.100 --> 43:01.620 And, I'll rewind this. 43:01.980 --> 43:05.500 Here's what he had to say about it. 43:05.500 --> 43:10.420 Okay, hold on, we're almost there. 43:10.420 --> 43:12.540 It's also actually important, okay. 43:12.540 --> 43:20.260 Okay, I'll play, because he also does a mea culpa here, which is important for context. 43:20.260 --> 43:24.140 You and I are hearing this at different times, and I wrote down everything I wanted to say, 43:24.140 --> 43:28.140 so hopefully I'm not misremembering as I do this. 43:28.140 --> 43:32.740 But we're going to hear the first piece, and this is Scott Rafer from who's the CEO 43:32.740 --> 43:35.260 of Feedster. Here's what he had to say about it. 43:35.260 --> 43:40.260 Well there's an optional portion, effectively, of RSS called Enclosures, 43:40.260 --> 43:45.540 that bear the greatest similarity to email attachments, than anything else. 43:45.540 --> 43:52.140 And with the restriction, you can only have one per RSS entry. 43:52.140 --> 44:00.220 And, they've been gaining popularity recently, and Adam Curry, the former VH1 44:00.220 --> 44:05.620 VJ, who's now sort of done a lot with RSS over from the Netherlands, 44:05.620 --> 44:11.940 put together a piece of software called iPodder, I-P-O-D-D-E-R dot org, 44:11.940 --> 44:17.540 where you can go straight from RSS enclosures onto your iPod. 44:17.540 --> 44:23.300 And he's got his little daily radio show, you know, similar to a certain extent. 44:23.300 --> 44:25.700 You know, to this one goes up digital files on the web and whatever. 44:25.700 --> 44:31.100 It's a soliloquy mainly. But he put it out there and started distributing 44:31.100 --> 44:35.460 his own radio show this way, and listenership took off. 44:35.460 --> 44:39.780 And so they put out the piece of software as a, you know, 44:39.780 --> 44:44.180 come one, come all kind of little attachment to drop onto your Mac. 44:44.220 --> 44:46.660 I don't believe there's a Windows version yet. 44:46.660 --> 44:52.340 And what Scott Johnson did was he reacted to this, 44:52.340 --> 44:57.420 and the growing popularity of enclosures, putting together some master feeds 44:57.420 --> 45:03.660 up on Feaster's site, so that you can have an RSS feed of all the MP3s 45:03.660 --> 45:07.420 that come through the system, all the JPEGs, all the video files, 45:07.420 --> 45:09.420 all the calendar events, even. 45:09.420 --> 45:12.660 So he had, you know, his advocacy and, you know, his company, 45:12.660 --> 45:15.660 obviously is supporting things to help this platform out. 45:15.660 --> 45:19.380 A couple annoying little errors in there, which as I posted about this 45:19.380 --> 45:23.500 earlier in the weblog, I ascribed him as working for Technorati. 45:23.500 --> 45:26.460 So I make the annoying little errors myself, too. 45:26.460 --> 45:28.180 I don't think Adam ever worked for VH1. 45:28.180 --> 45:29.780 It was, I think, only MTV. 45:29.780 --> 45:31.140 Right, right, right. That's not a biggie. 45:31.140 --> 45:34.460 No, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on, hold on. 45:34.460 --> 45:35.740 To me, that is a biggie. 45:38.860 --> 45:41.380 I used to host Headbangers Ball, dude. 45:41.420 --> 45:45.620 I mean, it's like, oh, man, that's so rough. 45:45.620 --> 45:50.420 The only real VJ that was ever on VH1, besides Rosie O'Donnell, 45:50.420 --> 45:53.220 by the way, and I did her audition, 45:53.220 --> 45:58.340 and she got hired because of me, was Tim Bird, the Bird Mom. 45:58.340 --> 46:00.620 You're probably still here to see him somewhere 46:00.620 --> 46:03.020 around your media market, Rodale Station, 46:03.020 --> 46:05.180 Tim Bird, the Bird Mom. 46:05.180 --> 46:08.220 So no, that's actually quite insulting to say that I 46:08.220 --> 46:09.140 was from VH1. 46:09.140 --> 46:10.620 And I was jumping up and down when 46:10.660 --> 46:13.980 I heard that, I'm like, oh, come on, man, that's unfair. 46:13.980 --> 46:16.420 But of course, maybe that's because MTV no longer 46:16.420 --> 46:18.980 actually plays music videos and VH1 does, 46:18.980 --> 46:21.260 so it may just be a very honest mistake. 46:21.260 --> 46:24.220 Let's continue now with Dave Slush's analysis 46:24.220 --> 46:25.500 of this statement. 46:25.500 --> 46:28.340 This isn't really an error, but something about the way 46:28.340 --> 46:30.980 he said stuff kind of rubbed me the wrong way. 46:30.980 --> 46:33.820 You notice that he uses the word little like three times. 46:33.820 --> 46:36.180 Adam's little radio show and this little program 46:36.180 --> 46:38.860 that you put on there and it runs on its little subscription. 46:38.860 --> 46:41.780 To me, I don't know, it just sounds like 46:41.780 --> 46:46.780 derogation and kind of diminution of what we're doing here. 46:48.220 --> 46:52.020 I mean, it's not something to be so thin skin 46:52.020 --> 46:53.580 that bothers you about, but I don't know why 46:53.580 --> 46:55.700 he's using that adjective to describe this. 46:55.700 --> 46:57.100 Dave, I think I can tell you why, 46:57.100 --> 46:59.460 because people who talk like that, 46:59.460 --> 47:00.980 and I listen, I caught that as well. 47:00.980 --> 47:03.900 I was like, whoa, man, why is he saying little this 47:03.900 --> 47:08.260 and little that, and usually people who say that 47:08.940 --> 47:11.420 it's a psychological thing, and of course, 47:11.420 --> 47:13.780 everything you say is always based upon your own psyche 47:13.780 --> 47:17.020 and your own frustration, so it probably has a small penis. 47:17.020 --> 47:18.900 Stuff, it seems kind of out of place. 47:18.900 --> 47:21.660 As does soliloquy, because it sounds almost, 47:22.980 --> 47:24.420 I don't know, accusatory. 47:24.420 --> 47:27.080 Like, Adam's show is a soliloquy, 47:27.080 --> 47:30.060 and guess what, this shows a soliloquy, too. 47:30.060 --> 47:33.460 Is that, I mean, any one person radio, 47:33.460 --> 47:35.260 talk radio show is like that, you know? 47:36.220 --> 47:39.500 And I replayed that bit four times, 47:39.500 --> 47:41.860 like what does he say, I couldn't understand it, 47:41.860 --> 47:44.940 and it wasn't until I heard Dave's analysis 47:44.940 --> 47:48.620 that I heard it was soliloquy, and I had to look it up. 47:48.620 --> 47:51.260 I had to look it up on dictionary.com. 47:51.260 --> 47:53.100 Hold on a second, let me bring up 47:53.100 --> 47:54.620 the definition of soliloquy. 47:54.620 --> 47:57.740 I think I posted to my web log about that as well. 47:58.980 --> 48:01.980 Hold on a second, let's just get that. 48:01.980 --> 48:04.420 Soliloquy, it's even hard to say. 48:04.460 --> 48:08.020 Soliloquy, damn, it's the word of the day. 48:08.020 --> 48:10.260 Soliloquy, let me see. 48:12.380 --> 48:14.620 Where is it, where, here, soliloquy. 48:16.220 --> 48:18.740 A dramatic or literary form of discourse 48:18.740 --> 48:21.900 in which a character talks to himself or herself 48:21.900 --> 48:23.740 or reveals his or her thoughts 48:23.740 --> 48:26.300 without addressing a listener. 48:27.420 --> 48:29.620 That's not true, that's just not true. 48:29.620 --> 48:32.860 I'm totally 100% addressing listeners here. 48:33.060 --> 48:34.460 And the only reason I'm stopping by, 48:34.460 --> 48:36.260 and I'm just making light of the situation, 48:36.260 --> 48:38.980 I'm tickled to death that these guys talked about it, 48:38.980 --> 48:41.980 really am, and I'm so happy that Feedster is supporting us. 48:43.140 --> 48:45.740 But shit, I got a whole hour to fill here, you know what I'm saying? 48:45.740 --> 48:48.220 Let's just see if Dave has anything left here. 48:48.220 --> 48:50.260 Any talk radio show in the period 48:50.260 --> 48:52.980 between they're taking calls, that's a soliloquy. 48:52.980 --> 48:55.460 That's just the way it goes, why? 48:55.460 --> 48:59.380 So, but it is interesting that Feedster is behind this. 48:59.380 --> 49:01.740 I don't know that I would ever use a Feedster feed 49:01.740 --> 49:03.940 to aggregate for the same reason, you know, 49:03.940 --> 49:04.780 when we were going around. 49:04.780 --> 49:06.300 All right, so that's a whole different conversation. 49:06.300 --> 49:08.100 You should listen to Dave's show 49:08.100 --> 49:10.100 if you wanna check out all of that. 49:10.100 --> 49:12.020 But anyway, it's a hilarious analysis 49:12.020 --> 49:14.300 of that conversation on the Gilmore Gang, 49:14.300 --> 49:16.060 which is still one of my favorite shows. 49:16.060 --> 49:19.660 So, just saying howdy guys, we're listening to you. 49:19.660 --> 49:21.580 I don't miss one of your shows either. 49:21.580 --> 49:24.700 In fact, I'm really upset when I miss one of your shows. 49:24.700 --> 49:27.900 Let me see, what else do we have left? 49:27.900 --> 49:32.900 Well, I ran across an interesting podcast. 49:33.500 --> 49:35.300 Let me just see, look at the metadata here. 49:35.300 --> 49:37.060 This is from Peter Overbaker. 49:37.060 --> 49:39.100 It's called Ghost in the Machine. 49:39.100 --> 49:42.780 And well, you should just listen to it for yourself 49:42.780 --> 49:44.940 and you'll understand what he's doing immediately. 49:44.940 --> 49:47.860 I've taken off the first bit of the theme song 49:47.860 --> 49:51.300 and it almost goes straight into the actual 49:51.300 --> 49:52.660 start of the podcast. 49:53.580 --> 49:56.620 Ghost in the Machine audio blog 49:56.620 --> 50:00.540 for Sunday, September 26th, 2004. 50:00.540 --> 50:03.860 Hi, all welcome to my very first audio blog, 50:03.860 --> 50:07.420 read to you by ReadPlease 2003. 50:07.420 --> 50:09.300 Because my own voice sucks, 50:09.300 --> 50:12.540 I thought this might be a fun solution. 50:12.540 --> 50:14.980 Well, it might not be as successful 50:14.980 --> 50:16.780 as Adam's or Dave's show. 50:16.780 --> 50:18.900 Okay, well, anyway, I'll shoot now. 50:18.900 --> 50:21.020 There's Luke again with the leaf blower. 50:21.020 --> 50:24.660 So clearly, you're not gonna listen to a voice like that 50:24.660 --> 50:26.620 for very long, but I have to say this, 50:26.620 --> 50:28.900 and this can't be Apple speech synthesis 50:28.900 --> 50:30.060 that's built into OS X 50:30.060 --> 50:31.460 because it doesn't sound that good. 50:31.460 --> 50:35.420 I don't think, maybe it is, but Peter should let us know. 50:35.420 --> 50:38.180 But it does seem like it could be appropriate. 50:38.180 --> 50:39.740 If I have a playlist of stuff 50:39.740 --> 50:41.540 that I wanna listen to in the morning, 50:41.540 --> 50:44.020 which includes a local weather report, 50:44.020 --> 50:47.220 it includes a sports update, unlikely, right? 50:47.220 --> 50:49.900 Okay, so let's take a political update. 50:49.900 --> 50:51.780 Then I wanna listen to a show 50:51.780 --> 50:53.860 that plays two new songs for the day, 50:53.860 --> 50:55.220 and then maybe there's something else 50:55.220 --> 50:57.620 that's totally automated that someone doesn't feel 50:57.620 --> 51:02.380 like setting up, like doing a voice track 51:02.380 --> 51:03.220 every single day. 51:03.220 --> 51:04.300 You could automate that with text. 51:04.300 --> 51:06.260 I mean, even maybe the weather report is like that. 51:06.260 --> 51:07.660 I think it'd be pretty boring, 51:07.660 --> 51:09.860 but I think it's certainly useful. 51:09.860 --> 51:11.860 I think there's a spot for it 51:11.860 --> 51:13.300 in everything that we're doing. 51:13.300 --> 51:17.380 And again, this could be used for so many things. 51:17.380 --> 51:18.580 Just look at the telephone. 51:18.580 --> 51:21.180 Look at a weblog and say what can this be used 51:21.180 --> 51:22.020 to make money? 51:22.020 --> 51:24.020 How can I use this to make money? 51:24.020 --> 51:24.980 And forget the weblog. 51:24.980 --> 51:26.180 Look at a telephone. 51:26.180 --> 51:27.020 You know, it's the same thing. 51:27.020 --> 51:29.980 And just think about what we're doing with radio. 51:29.980 --> 51:31.460 We're doing too radio. 51:31.460 --> 51:34.140 I mean, the spot where radio makes its money 51:34.140 --> 51:37.140 is during drive time, in the morning and the afternoon. 51:37.140 --> 51:40.700 And it's a very different way of consuming information 51:40.700 --> 51:43.420 because you're not going anywhere physically. 51:43.420 --> 51:45.020 I mean, sure, you're moving along the road. 51:45.020 --> 51:46.300 Hopefully, maybe you're in traffic. 51:46.300 --> 51:47.180 You're moving along slowly, 51:47.180 --> 51:48.620 you're not getting out of your car. 51:48.620 --> 51:49.980 And besides the cell phone, 51:49.980 --> 51:54.260 there's not much else to do in the way of entertainment. 51:54.260 --> 51:56.620 And so you're kind of stuck there. 51:56.620 --> 51:58.260 And the most entertaining thing for you 51:58.260 --> 52:00.420 will keep you going, and you're going to get marketed to. 52:00.420 --> 52:02.620 And there's money there. 52:02.620 --> 52:05.220 There's money to be made. 52:05.220 --> 52:07.460 And we're totally competing with that market. 52:07.460 --> 52:08.780 And I tell you, look out. 52:08.780 --> 52:09.980 Look out. 52:09.980 --> 52:13.780 Because the NAB is one powerful organization, 52:13.780 --> 52:16.220 10 times more, maybe 100 times more powerful 52:16.260 --> 52:17.780 than the RIAA. 52:17.780 --> 52:19.820 And once they, that's the record lobby, 52:19.820 --> 52:22.420 once they know what we're up to, 52:22.420 --> 52:24.820 it's going to get really, really interesting. 52:24.820 --> 52:27.100 And they have it, they brought it upon themselves. 52:27.100 --> 52:28.540 They've made radio boring. 52:28.540 --> 52:32.140 Clear Channel owns so many radio stations. 52:32.140 --> 52:34.100 And it's just, it's boring. 52:34.100 --> 52:35.340 It's the same playlist. 52:35.340 --> 52:37.380 It's the same cookie cutter stuff. 52:37.380 --> 52:41.020 It's not about the emotion of communicating stuff anymore. 52:41.020 --> 52:42.580 It's just about making money, 52:42.580 --> 52:44.820 which is the same for the music business. 52:44.820 --> 52:46.340 And I think that's what we're all about. 52:46.340 --> 52:48.220 Damn, I'm already doing my blogger con thing. 52:48.220 --> 52:49.060 I got to stop this. 52:49.060 --> 52:52.180 Okay, let me play you a bit from another show that I found, 52:52.180 --> 52:53.260 who I contacted and said, 52:53.260 --> 52:55.180 please, please, please, please make this 52:55.180 --> 52:57.900 into a podcast compatible feed, 52:57.900 --> 53:00.260 RSS 2.0 with enclosures. 53:00.260 --> 53:01.100 They got back to me and said, 53:01.100 --> 53:02.420 sure, they're definitely going to do that. 53:02.420 --> 53:04.220 It's the Link Linux show. 53:05.300 --> 53:08.100 And I've never heard this before. 53:08.100 --> 53:10.020 I think this is their 50th anniversary show, 53:10.020 --> 53:12.820 or it's around their 50th episode, maybe even more. 53:12.820 --> 53:13.860 But it's really cool. 53:13.860 --> 53:15.900 It's just a couple of guys talking geek talk, 53:15.900 --> 53:18.540 just like Dave and I might do. 53:18.540 --> 53:21.220 And they also chatted about iPodder. 53:21.220 --> 53:22.660 From a geek perspective, 53:22.660 --> 53:25.380 I'll just play a little bit of this just to point it out. 53:25.380 --> 53:28.540 And I'll let you know as soon as they have their iPodder 53:28.540 --> 53:30.020 feed up and ready to go. 53:30.020 --> 53:31.620 Here's a little bit from the Link Linux show. 53:31.620 --> 53:33.740 This is from two weeks ago. 53:33.740 --> 53:35.100 Pods, what? 53:35.100 --> 53:37.100 Dan's shiny iPod there. 53:37.100 --> 53:39.460 I was playing with an application last week 53:39.460 --> 53:42.460 called iPodder, excuse me. 53:43.860 --> 53:44.900 Let's find it here. 53:46.060 --> 53:50.980 It's iPodder, which allows you to do audio downloads 53:50.980 --> 53:52.140 for like the audio blogs. 53:52.140 --> 53:54.260 I know you were listening to some earlier 53:54.260 --> 53:55.620 a couple of months ago. 53:55.620 --> 54:00.620 Basically, it allows, you embed it in your RSS. 54:01.220 --> 54:04.060 Honestly, every day or whenever you put another audio feed 54:04.060 --> 54:06.860 up there on it, you get an application 54:06.860 --> 54:08.100 which automatically downloads. 54:08.100 --> 54:09.460 Automatically downloads the thing you're iPodder. 54:09.460 --> 54:10.300 If you have an iPodder, 54:10.300 --> 54:13.140 it'll actually store it on your iPod for you. 54:13.140 --> 54:15.860 On that, I've obviously had them work for me. 54:15.860 --> 54:17.700 But I don't have one. 54:17.700 --> 54:19.020 It doesn't work for me either. 54:19.020 --> 54:20.700 But it does put everything on the disk 54:20.700 --> 54:22.780 and I can burn it off onto a CD 54:22.780 --> 54:24.820 to listen at work and whatever. 54:24.820 --> 54:26.300 It's pretty neat. 54:26.300 --> 54:28.660 If you go to iPodder.org, 54:28.660 --> 54:31.420 if you're into listening to what other people have to say, 54:31.420 --> 54:33.900 obviously, could you listen to our show 54:33.900 --> 54:35.300 and maybe have an interest in that. 54:35.300 --> 54:37.300 Yeah, which, you know, that brings up a good point. 54:37.300 --> 54:39.100 Like, there's... 54:39.100 --> 54:40.620 It's actually something we may want to do 54:40.620 --> 54:44.180 with embedding some of this into our tech show page. 54:44.180 --> 54:45.980 So isn't it great to hear the difference 54:45.980 --> 54:48.980 between how users talk about this 54:48.980 --> 54:50.540 and how techies talk about it? 54:51.420 --> 54:54.500 You know, we'll embed it into the RSS of the show. 54:55.580 --> 54:56.660 Exactly. 54:56.660 --> 54:59.260 You know, iPodder is nothing more 54:59.260 --> 55:01.140 than an iPod filling station. 55:01.140 --> 55:02.660 That's what it's all about. 55:03.620 --> 55:05.660 Just briefly, listening to those past two clips. 55:05.660 --> 55:07.940 So there's actually this one big thing 55:07.940 --> 55:10.140 that I really want to focus on. 55:10.140 --> 55:13.260 We need to get the Windows version of iPodder 55:13.260 --> 55:14.540 kind of out there. 55:14.540 --> 55:16.700 We've got all kinds of scripts that run on Windows. 55:16.700 --> 55:19.860 We've got the connection to the Windows media player, 55:19.860 --> 55:22.940 which means we can connect to all these devices 55:22.940 --> 55:24.980 that sync up to the media player. 55:24.980 --> 55:27.620 And I know the work is going on. 55:27.620 --> 55:29.420 I just, you know, I can't wait. 55:29.420 --> 55:32.100 I'm so anxious to really give this a go 55:32.100 --> 55:33.460 because right now it's being... 55:33.460 --> 55:35.500 And that's of course because I started with Apple Script. 55:35.500 --> 55:37.900 It's kind of being deemed a Mac only thing 55:37.940 --> 55:40.460 and the fact that it's also being used with iPods. 55:40.460 --> 55:44.300 So, you know, now is the time to see if we can move that 55:44.300 --> 55:45.860 and just let me know what I could do to help. 55:45.860 --> 55:48.660 Unfortunately, I'm totally useless 55:48.660 --> 55:51.820 when it comes to programming anything for Windows 55:51.820 --> 55:52.660 or even using Windows. 55:52.660 --> 55:53.500 I know how to use it. 55:53.500 --> 55:54.900 I have Windows 2000 here. 55:54.900 --> 55:57.180 I'll gladly throw anything on there to test it 55:57.180 --> 56:00.420 and try and beat it to shreds. 56:00.420 --> 56:01.980 But it's all it is. 56:01.980 --> 56:05.460 It's just the GUI in the setup and the timed... 56:05.460 --> 56:06.820 Just look at iPod or X. 56:06.860 --> 56:08.940 That's exactly what it should be. 56:08.940 --> 56:11.820 And then, you know, then I see there's a whole market 56:11.820 --> 56:15.020 just waiting there for developers 56:15.020 --> 56:20.020 to create special iPoders with built to spec 56:20.900 --> 56:22.180 or special features. 56:22.180 --> 56:25.460 There's gonna be lots of people looking for different ways 56:25.460 --> 56:27.580 to use the iPod or from the academic field 56:27.580 --> 56:32.580 for lectures to the music business. 56:33.140 --> 56:35.620 They're gonna, believe me, they're gonna be shows 56:35.620 --> 56:38.060 that you'll have the Warner Brothers music show. 56:38.060 --> 56:40.620 And it'll be total commercial for Warner Brothers. 56:40.620 --> 56:41.460 But you know what? 56:41.460 --> 56:43.220 You're gonna get a show and you're gonna get your music 56:43.220 --> 56:45.180 and it's gonna come to you automatically. 56:45.180 --> 56:49.500 And I do believe in Ken Ortowski's speech 56:49.500 --> 56:52.700 which I spoke about on Trade Secrets 56:52.700 --> 56:57.060 and also on Daily Source Code, 56:57.060 --> 56:59.300 the music business is going to start figuring out 56:59.300 --> 57:01.380 how to repackage music and sell music. 57:01.380 --> 57:05.540 And they're going to treat the iPod platform as radio 57:05.540 --> 57:07.980 and we're gonna get the same benefits. 57:07.980 --> 57:10.940 We're gonna be able to use unlimited amounts of music 57:10.940 --> 57:12.980 on the iPod platform. 57:12.980 --> 57:15.420 Of course, if we start making money, 57:15.420 --> 57:19.260 then you're gonna have to pay some of that in royalty fees 57:19.260 --> 57:23.300 and usually that's about 6% of your gross revenue. 57:23.300 --> 57:25.860 No problem, no fucking problem. 57:25.860 --> 57:28.100 Cut me that deal. 57:28.100 --> 57:29.060 Cut me the deal today. 57:29.060 --> 57:30.820 I'll sign immediately. 57:30.820 --> 57:32.740 I'd like it to be 4%, but it's okay. 57:32.740 --> 57:34.180 We'll go for six if you want. 57:34.940 --> 57:39.500 And 6% of zero is still zero at the moment. 57:39.500 --> 57:40.860 But the minute I start making money, 57:40.860 --> 57:44.260 as long as I can play unlimited ASCAP BMI licensed music, 57:44.260 --> 57:45.300 you better believe it. 57:45.300 --> 57:47.020 You better believe it all over that. 57:47.020 --> 57:49.420 And it will make you more money 57:49.420 --> 57:52.460 if you're in the record selling business. 57:52.460 --> 57:55.220 Of course, I doubt that record companies will, 57:55.220 --> 57:56.300 well, some will get desperate 57:56.300 --> 57:57.620 and some are small enough to do it, 57:57.620 --> 57:58.820 but I think that we're just gonna see 57:58.820 --> 58:00.500 new companies springing up, 58:00.500 --> 58:03.140 grabbing this opportunity with both hands 58:03.140 --> 58:05.700 and all the rest is in there. 58:05.700 --> 58:10.180 We'll gladly use iTunes Music Store for the one-off sales, 58:10.180 --> 58:12.380 but there's so much more to be done in packaging 58:12.380 --> 58:15.580 with the multimedia capabilities that we have today. 58:16.860 --> 58:19.700 One more note, final closing thought 58:19.700 --> 58:21.460 as we roll up on the full hour 58:21.460 --> 58:23.460 of the Daily Source Code for this Monday 58:23.460 --> 58:26.380 is for Dave Slusher who threw a question out there 58:26.380 --> 58:27.740 on Friday. 58:27.740 --> 58:30.620 It's not a convenient day for me certainly to respond 58:30.620 --> 58:32.500 because I don't tape until Monday, 58:32.500 --> 58:36.860 but I did remember to mention this. 58:36.860 --> 58:37.700 He says, well, you know, 58:37.700 --> 58:40.940 someone offered to put advertisements on his weblog 58:40.940 --> 58:42.540 and pay him for it and he's saying, 58:42.540 --> 58:44.100 well, let's say that they're on the up and up, 58:44.100 --> 58:45.620 you know, what should I do? 58:45.620 --> 58:48.220 Should I only take advertisements for stuff 58:48.220 --> 58:53.220 that I believe in for products that I believe in 58:53.980 --> 58:57.060 or should I just take the money and, you know, 58:57.060 --> 58:58.980 let it be that? 58:58.980 --> 59:02.380 You know, these are really, really hard questions. 59:02.380 --> 59:04.060 And it depends on what kind of content 59:04.060 --> 59:05.940 or what kind of show you're putting together. 59:05.940 --> 59:08.260 When it comes to a show like this, 59:08.260 --> 59:10.580 I'll gladly tell you, but all the products that I love 59:10.580 --> 59:13.020 and that I use and I'm happy that those people 59:13.020 --> 59:15.980 will benefit from that endorsement. 59:17.460 --> 59:21.780 If I were to get paid for it, 59:21.780 --> 59:23.500 you know, I'd have to let you know about it. 59:23.500 --> 59:26.580 And I think that that's fair and everyone understands 59:26.580 --> 59:29.740 that there's time and money involved in production. 59:30.420 --> 59:32.860 I think everyone understands that, you know, 59:32.860 --> 59:35.620 every chimney has to be a smoking. 59:35.620 --> 59:38.100 So I don't think there's a problem there. 59:38.100 --> 59:40.780 But let me just give you my two rules of business, 59:40.780 --> 59:44.260 which I have actually borrowed from a former partner of mine. 59:46.380 --> 59:49.420 Rule number one, don't negotiate against yourself 59:49.420 --> 59:50.340 because that's what you're doing. 59:50.340 --> 59:51.900 Now, granted, you put it out there for us, 59:51.900 --> 59:53.980 but don't negotiate against yourself. 59:53.980 --> 59:56.060 And then number two, 59:56.060 --> 59:58.220 if there's something you just really don't feel like doing, 59:58.220 --> 59:59.860 then indeed, raise the price 59:59.860 --> 01:00:02.100 because it will eventually become attractive. 01:00:02.100 --> 01:00:04.860 And that's it for the source code for today. 01:00:04.860 --> 01:00:07.140 Monday, the 27th of September, 2004. 01:00:07.140 --> 01:00:07.980 I'm Adam Curry. 01:00:07.980 --> 01:00:09.500 I am out of here. 01:00:09.500 --> 01:00:10.660 Thanks for listening. 01:00:10.660 --> 01:00:12.660 Power of your intelligence. 01:00:16.100 --> 01:00:17.940 And as always, if you want to respond, 01:00:17.940 --> 01:00:19.940 send me an email to adam at curry.com 01:00:19.940 --> 01:00:23.540 or leave a comment on my weblog, live.curry.com. 01:00:23.540 --> 01:00:25.940 Check out the archives of the daily source code 01:00:25.940 --> 01:00:27.380 at dailysourcecode.com. 01:00:27.420 --> 01:00:29.300 You can also pick up the podcast or feed. 01:00:29.300 --> 01:00:30.140 I'll see you tomorrow. 01:00:30.140 --> 01:00:30.980 Bye-bye. 01:00:30.980 --> 01:00:33.820 The power of your intelligence. 01:00:33.820 --> 01:00:36.820 The power of your intelligence.