WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:04.300 Okay, are we calling this a trade secret? 00:04.300 --> 00:06.300 Yeah, why not? 00:06.300 --> 00:08.300 What else would you call it? 00:08.300 --> 00:11.300 I'd call it Dave and his bath robes. 00:11.300 --> 00:13.300 Exactly. 00:13.300 --> 00:15.300 Actually, I'm wearing shorts. 00:15.300 --> 00:18.300 Luckily, I'm not doing a soliloquy though. 00:18.300 --> 00:28.300 Let me just tell the trade secret listeners that we're using the SIP phone, the X10 phone. 00:28.300 --> 00:35.300 I think the quality is definitely lower than other systems we tried, but this is a very open protocol. 00:35.300 --> 00:37.300 So what time is it there, Dave? 00:37.300 --> 00:38.300 It must be the middle of night for you. 00:38.300 --> 00:40.300 Was it like 5 a.m., 6 a.m.? 00:40.300 --> 00:42.300 Yeah, no, it's 3 a.m. 00:42.300 --> 00:44.300 2.56 a.m. 00:44.300 --> 00:47.300 I just did the open source release of Frontier. 00:47.300 --> 00:49.300 That was a big thing. 00:49.300 --> 00:54.300 That's almost another way of measuring time. 00:54.300 --> 00:57.300 Okay, your computer problem is back now. 00:57.300 --> 00:59.300 They're cutting out again. 00:59.300 --> 01:01.300 Well, yeah, no. 01:01.300 --> 01:03.300 Just keep trying and we'll see how it sounds. 01:03.300 --> 01:06.300 So much for recording this. 01:06.300 --> 01:12.300 This computer, we're at the point, you know, Windows machines every so often you have to buy a new computer. 01:12.300 --> 01:14.300 It's the same with a Mac, Dave. 01:14.300 --> 01:17.300 Yeah, is it really? 01:17.300 --> 01:20.300 Yeah, mine's on the ropes here too. 01:20.300 --> 01:22.300 Is it really? 01:22.300 --> 01:24.300 Maybe it's time to get like a new computer. 01:24.300 --> 01:27.300 Well, across the board, I'm quitting things. 01:27.300 --> 01:31.300 Well, what I wanted to do is, when we move is when I want to buy a new computer. 01:31.300 --> 01:35.300 That's always a great time to buy a new PC is when you move, you know, new house, new stuff. 01:35.300 --> 01:38.300 It makes you feel good. 01:38.300 --> 01:40.300 Yeah. 01:40.300 --> 01:45.300 I just moved, so maybe my problem is that I haven't bought a new computer yet. 01:45.300 --> 01:53.300 I think what happens is, you get into all kinds of rooms. 01:53.300 --> 01:56.300 You get into all kinds of really heavy stuff that you're doing. 01:56.300 --> 02:01.300 I've been doing all this audio stuff and compressing and recording huge files and I can see it. 02:01.300 --> 02:07.300 You know, when my computer, someone goes wrong and I've had to hard reset it a couple of times in the past few weeks. 02:07.300 --> 02:12.300 You can see all these indirect orphan nodes, you know, and all this stuff and it's trying to say, 02:12.300 --> 02:17.300 I can't repair this and I've got, it should be five instead of four directory points. 02:17.300 --> 02:20.300 And it's like, you know, that's not right. 02:20.300 --> 02:22.300 Yeah, that's part of it. 02:22.300 --> 02:28.300 The other part of it is, is that, you know, you're not really supposed to install any software on these things. 02:28.300 --> 02:32.300 Oh, of course, yeah. That's according to the license you mean. 02:32.300 --> 02:37.300 Yeah, exactly the way the manufacturer sent it to you is how you're supposed to use it. 02:37.300 --> 02:46.300 And so, you know, you and I both, I think, have been in a lot of crazily installing all kinds of crap on our computers. 02:46.300 --> 02:48.300 Yeah. 02:48.300 --> 02:51.300 Those things have in turn been installing all kinds of crap. 02:51.300 --> 02:53.300 Uh, yeah. 02:53.300 --> 02:56.300 You know, you think you said goodbye, you think. 02:56.300 --> 02:58.300 Bye to them, but. 02:58.300 --> 03:01.300 Should I tell you though, you know, your computer may be a little bit hosed right now, 03:01.300 --> 03:05.300 but I don't like this X10 at all. Do you have, why don't you put on your instant messenger? 03:05.300 --> 03:07.300 That's so much better. 03:07.300 --> 03:08.300 All right, let's do that. 03:08.300 --> 03:10.300 Okay, just, you can just turn it on during this college. 03:10.300 --> 03:12.300 We shouldn't have to do too much. 03:12.300 --> 03:14.300 Oh really? Okay, hold on. 03:14.300 --> 03:17.300 Yeah, you turn it, let me see if you show up here on the screen. 03:17.300 --> 03:21.300 I explicitly quit though, that they have to figure out. 03:21.300 --> 03:24.300 Oh, but you have no idea how crappy this sounds. This sounds so shitty. 03:24.300 --> 03:26.300 I believe you, I believe you. 03:26.300 --> 03:29.300 You know, I got a call yesterday while we're doing this. 03:29.300 --> 03:32.300 I got a call yesterday from Steve Gilmore. 03:32.300 --> 03:33.300 Steve Gilmore, yeah. 03:33.300 --> 03:35.300 I think you got one too. 03:35.300 --> 03:37.300 We spoke briefly. 03:37.300 --> 03:42.300 Even when we're just fucking around and nothing's working, 03:42.300 --> 03:44.300 does he get the real kick out of what we're doing? 03:44.300 --> 03:47.300 Well, if you consider our audience, 03:47.300 --> 03:50.300 I bet people get a kick out of that too. 03:50.300 --> 03:52.300 That's right. 03:52.300 --> 03:54.300 I'm doing soliloquy. 03:54.300 --> 03:57.300 It's much better than soliloquy. 03:57.300 --> 04:01.300 It's the word of the week now officially, soliloquy. 04:01.300 --> 04:04.300 It's unscripted news actually, I'm linking to it right now. 04:04.300 --> 04:06.300 I have a little review of your, 04:06.300 --> 04:08.300 if you want to go get your ego straight, 04:08.300 --> 04:10.300 go read scripting right now. 04:10.300 --> 04:12.300 I'm glad I'm not wearing any underwear. 04:12.300 --> 04:14.300 No, that's perfect. 04:14.300 --> 04:20.300 Yeah, you would want to take it off if you were. 04:20.300 --> 04:22.300 I'll check that out. 04:22.300 --> 04:25.300 I had a good time doing the source code yesterday. 04:25.300 --> 04:27.300 It was funny. 04:27.300 --> 04:30.300 It was so much shit I had to mask, so many clips and dits, 04:30.300 --> 04:32.300 and people just sending all kinds of cool stuff. 04:32.300 --> 04:34.300 Well, that's what I said. 04:34.300 --> 04:37.300 That's the milestone that you've hit basically, 04:37.300 --> 04:41.300 that you've got now all this stuff coming at you. 04:41.300 --> 04:44.300 So it's really becoming a program. 04:44.300 --> 04:46.300 It is, and it's funny. 04:46.300 --> 04:48.300 Go ahead. 04:48.300 --> 04:51.300 No, that's all right. I'm getting on to AIM right now. 04:51.300 --> 04:53.300 Okay, yeah, I see you there. 04:53.300 --> 04:56.300 I'm going to drop this call and then I'll call you back on AIM. 04:56.300 --> 04:58.300 All right. 04:58.300 --> 05:01.300 Okay, so I just hung up, 05:01.300 --> 05:04.300 I'm quitting this X-Lite phone. 05:04.300 --> 05:07.300 Okay, Dave just showed up on the, 05:07.300 --> 05:10.300 how come this X-Lite phone won't go away? 05:10.300 --> 05:12.300 It has to go away. 05:12.300 --> 05:14.300 Go away. 05:14.300 --> 05:16.300 Oh, I hate it when this happens. 05:16.300 --> 05:19.300 So just sitting there, I'm going to try and get a hold of Dave. 05:19.300 --> 05:20.300 Okay. 05:20.300 --> 05:23.300 Well, that other thing is just sitting there 05:23.300 --> 05:27.300 with the spinning beach ball of death. 05:27.300 --> 05:29.300 Okay. 05:29.300 --> 05:32.300 Calling in for it. 05:32.300 --> 05:36.300 Requesting the setup for the call. 05:37.300 --> 05:40.300 Uh, ringing. 05:40.300 --> 05:43.300 You can answer anytime now. 05:47.300 --> 05:49.300 Hmm. 05:49.300 --> 05:51.300 Ah, there we go. 05:51.300 --> 05:53.300 Yeah. 05:53.300 --> 05:55.300 Oh yeah, so much better, man. 05:55.300 --> 05:56.300 You have no idea. 05:56.300 --> 05:57.300 Oh, good. 05:57.300 --> 05:58.300 Yeah, it really is. 05:58.300 --> 06:00.300 Oh, we should call it Steve Casey and say, 06:00.300 --> 06:01.300 hey, man, you did good. 06:01.300 --> 06:02.300 Your shit rocks, dude. 06:02.300 --> 06:03.300 So, yeah. 06:03.300 --> 06:05.300 Yeah, so yeah, it was great stuff. 06:05.300 --> 06:08.300 I love that WGBH Boston is in her loop. 06:08.300 --> 06:09.300 Yeah, he sent me a new one. 06:09.300 --> 06:10.300 He sent me a new one today. 06:10.300 --> 06:12.300 It's great. 06:12.300 --> 06:14.300 All this evangelism. 06:14.300 --> 06:20.300 I love the, the bit about how users talk about RSS. 06:20.300 --> 06:21.300 Yeah. 06:21.300 --> 06:23.300 I mean, that's the, that's the payoff. 06:23.300 --> 06:26.300 I mean, I so wanted to get out of that mode where, 06:26.300 --> 06:29.300 you know, mostly what I'm hearing from are, 06:29.300 --> 06:32.300 you know, either the geeks who control everybody else 06:32.300 --> 06:35.300 or the users who are so intimidated by those geeks 06:35.300 --> 06:38.300 that they have no confidence in what they're doing. 06:38.300 --> 06:39.300 Right. 06:39.300 --> 06:41.300 You know, those guys sound like they sort of understood 06:41.300 --> 06:43.300 what was going on and they just used their own 06:43.300 --> 06:45.300 term words to describe. 06:45.300 --> 06:48.300 I was the, the Link Linux show. 06:48.300 --> 06:49.300 Yeah. 06:49.300 --> 06:51.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 06:51.300 --> 06:55.300 And I liked a bit about the NAB and, 06:55.300 --> 07:00.300 and drive time and sort of where this is going. 07:00.300 --> 07:01.300 Oh, cool. 07:01.300 --> 07:02.300 Thank you. 07:02.300 --> 07:03.300 Thank you. 07:03.300 --> 07:06.300 Anyway, we had a leak bonafide leak yesterday 07:06.300 --> 07:11.300 and it appeared because of the open source release 07:11.300 --> 07:18.300 plus a pointer to the audio blog post that I did 07:18.300 --> 07:22.300 that discusses the release and why we did it 07:22.300 --> 07:25.300 and why we, you know, did it the way we did it 07:25.300 --> 07:28.300 and what the product is and so forth. 07:28.300 --> 07:31.300 That ended up getting pointed to by Scott Young 07:31.300 --> 07:35.300 on Useland Weblog. 07:35.300 --> 07:40.300 And so, so he said, he heard about it from Steve Kirk. 07:40.300 --> 07:41.300 Yeah. 07:41.300 --> 07:43.300 Steve Kirk said he heard about it from you. 07:43.300 --> 07:44.300 Well, wait a minute. 07:44.300 --> 07:46.300 What, what audio, did we discuss this? 07:46.300 --> 07:50.300 Yeah, we discussed this in a trade secrets, didn't we? 07:50.300 --> 07:52.300 Oh, the trade secrets is fine. 07:52.300 --> 07:54.300 It was the one that I had pointed to from the 07:54.300 --> 07:56.300 Frontier Colonel mail list. 07:56.300 --> 07:57.300 Yeah. 07:57.300 --> 07:59.300 It wasn't a trade secret until today. 07:59.300 --> 08:00.300 Now it's released. 08:00.300 --> 08:03.300 It's not a big deal if you did point to it from your site. 08:03.300 --> 08:04.300 Of course. 08:04.300 --> 08:05.300 It wasn't a high secret. 08:05.300 --> 08:07.300 Why would I point to it? 08:07.300 --> 08:08.300 Hold on. 08:08.300 --> 08:12.300 I mean, I hardly do blog posts anymore. 08:12.300 --> 08:14.300 If I'd done a blog post, I wouldn't remember. 08:14.300 --> 08:15.300 No, I believe you. 08:15.300 --> 08:16.300 Adam, Adam. 08:16.300 --> 08:19.300 No, but I saw the email thread. 08:19.300 --> 08:22.300 I'm like, well, but why did I? 08:22.300 --> 08:24.300 Well, let me just go back, Dave. 08:24.300 --> 08:25.300 Let me just see. 08:25.300 --> 08:26.300 I believe you. 08:26.300 --> 08:29.300 Actually, I wouldn't say I believe you if I didn't believe you. 08:29.300 --> 08:30.300 Of course. 08:30.300 --> 08:31.300 It's just a puzzle. 08:31.300 --> 08:34.300 And then next time, I mean, I did put a disclaimer. 08:34.300 --> 08:41.300 I said, whoever told Scott about it probably didn't pass that on. 08:41.300 --> 08:45.300 Or whoever told Steve Kirk's about it probably didn't pass it on. 08:45.300 --> 08:50.300 That it was not to be treated as a public thing and whatever. 08:50.300 --> 08:52.300 It's water under the bridge. 08:52.300 --> 08:55.300 But that's just how it appears. 08:55.300 --> 08:59.300 No doubt it's done either because Andre did make some changes after the fact, 08:59.300 --> 09:00.300 but not major ones. 09:00.300 --> 09:01.300 I found it. 09:01.300 --> 09:02.300 You know. 09:02.300 --> 09:04.300 You found what? 09:04.300 --> 09:06.300 Oh, shit. 09:06.300 --> 09:07.300 What? 09:07.300 --> 09:08.300 You did do it. 09:08.300 --> 09:09.300 Shit. 09:09.300 --> 09:10.300 Well, yes and no. 09:10.300 --> 09:11.300 You're not going to believe this. 09:11.300 --> 09:14.300 Oh, this is fucking classic. 09:14.300 --> 09:15.300 Oh, okay. 09:15.300 --> 09:16.300 I get it. 09:16.300 --> 09:30.300 So on the frontier kernel list, you posted a link to a Manila website with the source code? 09:30.300 --> 09:31.300 No. 09:31.300 --> 09:32.300 Yeah. 09:32.300 --> 09:33.300 Yeah. 09:33.300 --> 09:34.300 Yeah. 09:34.300 --> 09:35.300 So what did I do? 09:35.300 --> 09:36.300 I went, oh, okay. 09:36.300 --> 09:37.300 That's handy. 09:37.300 --> 09:41.300 And I immediately subscribed to it in my aggregator. 09:41.300 --> 09:44.300 Remember what happens when I subscribe to something in my aggregator? 09:44.300 --> 09:45.300 No, I got posted. 09:45.300 --> 09:47.300 I got posted to my web blog. 09:47.300 --> 09:48.300 I'm sorry. 09:48.300 --> 09:50.300 Well, Adam, you need to be more careful about that. 09:50.300 --> 09:51.300 Oh, no shit. 09:51.300 --> 09:53.300 That was a big mistake. 09:53.300 --> 09:55.300 Oh, shit. 09:55.300 --> 09:56.300 Okay. 09:56.300 --> 09:57.300 I'm sorry. 09:57.300 --> 09:58.300 Listen, okay. 09:58.300 --> 10:02.300 Don't sweat too much because we were doing this low security mode anyway. 10:02.300 --> 10:03.300 Yeah. 10:03.300 --> 10:06.300 If we really wanted high security, it would have been editors on the site 10:06.300 --> 10:10.300 and you would have needed a password to, you know, for anybody even access the RSS, 10:10.300 --> 10:12.300 they would have needed a password. 10:12.300 --> 10:13.300 Right. 10:13.300 --> 10:15.300 So you don't plan loose there and that's okay. 10:15.300 --> 10:17.300 Just, you know. 10:17.300 --> 10:18.300 I apologize. 10:18.300 --> 10:20.300 That was, that was dumb. 10:20.300 --> 10:21.300 You don't need to apologize. 10:21.300 --> 10:23.300 No, there's a lesson. 10:23.300 --> 10:28.300 I mean, security is something you have to constantly be vigilant about 10:28.300 --> 10:32.300 and you will someday subscribe to something that's confidential 10:32.300 --> 10:37.300 and somehow need to think about that in terms of how public you are. 10:37.300 --> 10:40.300 Although, what did you say on the blog about secrets? 10:40.300 --> 10:43.300 Well, but was this a, well, yeah. 10:43.300 --> 10:46.300 Considering the title of this show, I guess you're right. 10:46.300 --> 10:54.300 But was that a problem with userland or, you know, the fact that they didn't know? 10:54.300 --> 10:58.300 No, they knew, of course. 10:58.300 --> 11:01.300 The problem is this, is that when you're staging a release, 11:01.300 --> 11:06.300 basically you want to check out things with people before you actually release it 11:06.300 --> 11:09.300 so that you don't have to support anything that's broken in the future. 11:09.300 --> 11:14.300 You know, because if something's broken, you can fix it and only a very small number of people have it. 11:14.300 --> 11:18.300 If the thing leaks, then of course there's possibility that, you know, 11:18.300 --> 11:20.300 people are using a bad version of the software. 11:20.300 --> 11:24.300 So in general, you don't talk about things until, you know, 11:24.300 --> 11:29.300 they're in the process of being released until the developer says it's okay to talk about it. 11:29.300 --> 11:30.300 Right. 11:30.300 --> 11:31.300 Okay. 11:31.300 --> 11:32.300 Well, you know about that. 11:32.300 --> 11:33.300 Of course I do. 11:33.300 --> 11:34.300 Yeah. 11:34.300 --> 11:35.300 And you also want your big, oh wow, moment. 11:35.300 --> 11:36.300 You don't want to, you know. 11:36.300 --> 11:37.300 It's not in this case. 11:37.300 --> 11:38.300 No. 11:39.300 --> 11:42.300 We're setting the expectations low, very deliberately, 11:42.300 --> 11:44.300 tough releasing this thing. 11:44.300 --> 11:47.300 We don't want people to feel like the earth shook. 11:47.300 --> 11:48.300 Oh, okay. 11:48.300 --> 11:53.300 And because what eventually, inevitably happens if they do, 11:53.300 --> 11:58.300 is a thing where results and, you know, it attracts the slaps, 11:58.300 --> 12:00.300 daughters and they come tell you why, you know. 12:00.300 --> 12:01.300 Yeah. 12:01.300 --> 12:02.300 How much you suck. 12:02.300 --> 12:03.300 Yeah. 12:03.300 --> 12:04.300 Exactly. 12:04.300 --> 12:07.300 And that kills all the, you know, you want to build energy. 12:07.300 --> 12:08.300 Yeah. 12:08.300 --> 12:11.300 You don't want to expect a big bank because it can't happen anyway. 12:11.300 --> 12:13.300 This is a very large piece of software. 12:13.300 --> 12:17.300 Nobody is going to be able to make a contribution to it immediately. 12:17.300 --> 12:22.300 It's going to take, you know, if you were completely up to speed on the 12:22.300 --> 12:26.300 kernel source code as I am and a few other people are, 12:26.300 --> 12:30.300 we won't be ready to release new things for quite a few months if ever, 12:30.300 --> 12:31.300 you know. 12:31.300 --> 12:34.300 So what's the process now? 12:34.300 --> 12:35.300 What's the process now? 12:35.300 --> 12:38.300 Is it just making sure it builds and then going back through stuff? 12:38.300 --> 12:40.300 And that's what I've been seeing on the list. 12:40.300 --> 12:41.300 Yeah. 12:41.300 --> 12:43.300 Right now it's paranoid. 12:43.300 --> 12:47.300 Did we release any horribly broken software? 12:47.300 --> 12:53.300 We want this, what we released today, we want that to be a solid foundation 12:53.300 --> 12:56.300 for future development and we don't want to take any steps backwards. 12:56.300 --> 12:57.300 Right. 12:57.300 --> 13:00.300 In other words, you know, one source file got left out or something 13:00.300 --> 13:02.300 or an old version. 13:02.300 --> 13:06.300 This is far more common, an old version of some source file. 13:06.300 --> 13:09.300 You know, before 18,000 bucks were fixed. 13:09.300 --> 13:10.300 Yeah. 13:10.300 --> 13:12.300 It gets released and we lose all. 13:12.300 --> 13:13.300 You've had that happen, right? 13:13.300 --> 13:16.300 Where you saved an old version on top of a new version. 13:16.300 --> 13:18.300 That was one of my finest hours. 13:18.300 --> 13:19.300 Yeah. 13:19.300 --> 13:20.300 Well, we do that all the time. 13:20.300 --> 13:22.300 That's what programming is all about. 13:22.300 --> 13:23.300 They teach you that in school. 13:23.300 --> 13:25.300 Let's get that out of the way. 13:25.300 --> 13:28.300 You know, the first class is WeShut101. 13:29.300 --> 13:30.300 Right. 13:30.300 --> 13:32.300 I mean, that's Murphy Law. 13:32.300 --> 13:33.300 You're tuning into it. 13:33.300 --> 13:37.300 I've heard your daily source code go into depth on that 13:37.300 --> 13:40.300 about how you can't predict success or else God will get you for that. 13:40.300 --> 13:41.300 Right? 13:41.300 --> 13:42.300 Yeah, always. 13:42.300 --> 13:43.300 Always, always, always. 13:43.300 --> 13:45.300 So what the hell are you doing up so early, Dave? 13:45.300 --> 13:46.300 I see this more often. 13:46.300 --> 13:48.300 I see you awake at like three in the morning. 13:48.300 --> 13:50.300 I'm thinking like, you know, what's up with that? 13:50.300 --> 13:51.300 My schedule is all fucked up. 13:51.300 --> 13:54.300 It's like, it's totally, my schedule is just, you know, whatever. 13:54.300 --> 13:56.300 I sleep when I want to sleep. 13:56.300 --> 13:58.300 I live in the middle of the city now. 13:58.300 --> 13:59.300 It's really something. 13:59.300 --> 14:01.300 This place is operating right now. 14:01.300 --> 14:04.300 It's not like New York, but it's, you know, I could go out and get coffee right now 14:04.300 --> 14:05.300 if I wanted to. 14:05.300 --> 14:06.300 Right. 14:06.300 --> 14:07.300 He gets some food, you know. 14:07.300 --> 14:08.300 It's like whatever. 14:08.300 --> 14:09.300 It's a city. 14:09.300 --> 14:10.300 Yeah. 14:10.300 --> 14:11.300 I don't know. 14:11.300 --> 14:12.300 I'm getting ready to live on European time. 14:12.300 --> 14:14.300 I think I'm going to come to Europe after this. 14:14.300 --> 14:15.300 Oh, really? 14:15.300 --> 14:16.300 I don't know. 14:16.300 --> 14:17.300 After this is what? 14:17.300 --> 14:19.300 After BloggerCon or just next year? 14:19.300 --> 14:20.300 Yeah. 14:20.300 --> 14:21.300 Yeah. 14:21.300 --> 14:22.300 Okay. 14:22.300 --> 14:23.300 After BloggerCon after Seattle. 14:23.300 --> 14:24.300 Right. 14:24.300 --> 14:25.300 Yeah. 14:25.300 --> 14:28.300 Well, we'll be in England by then, I hope. 14:28.300 --> 14:29.300 You will. 14:29.300 --> 14:30.300 Yeah. 14:30.300 --> 14:31.300 Yeah. 14:31.300 --> 14:32.300 Oh, yeah. 14:32.300 --> 14:33.300 We're going to be, we're moving in December. 14:33.300 --> 14:35.300 In fact, Friday, we're, uh, Patricia and I are going over there. 14:35.300 --> 14:37.300 We're going to do all measurements and shit. 14:37.300 --> 14:42.300 We've got to try and figure out how we put our stuff into our new stuff receptacle. 14:42.300 --> 14:44.300 Oh, yeah, right. 14:44.300 --> 14:46.300 That's funny. 14:46.300 --> 14:48.300 So, yeah. 14:48.300 --> 14:49.300 How big is this? 14:49.300 --> 14:50.300 Is this a castle too? 14:50.300 --> 14:51.300 No. 14:51.300 --> 14:54.300 No, it's, uh, we, we definitely wanted something smaller. 14:54.300 --> 15:00.300 Um, we've had, let's see, we've had two huge houses, one on the canal in Amsterdam. 15:00.300 --> 15:05.300 We have the castle and we have, you know, we have a lot of people running around doing 15:05.300 --> 15:09.300 stuff and, and cleaning stuff and mowing stuff. 15:09.300 --> 15:12.300 And, um, we have a saying in Amsterdam. 15:12.300 --> 15:20.300 It's a, it's a old Yiddish, uh, saying, um, and I'll say it in, in Dutch first, 15:21.300 --> 15:26.300 and that translates to, I wish you many employees. 15:26.300 --> 15:29.300 And, uh, so that's one thing. 15:29.300 --> 15:31.300 We're just really tired of it, you know? 15:31.300 --> 15:34.300 And, uh, I mean, I'm really, I'm really tired of it. 15:34.300 --> 15:36.300 Tired of just people in your space. 15:36.300 --> 15:37.300 I love these people. 15:37.300 --> 15:39.300 They're great, but you know, it's still, it's people in your space. 15:39.300 --> 15:40.300 No, you don't. 15:40.300 --> 15:41.300 They, you don't love them. 15:41.300 --> 15:45.300 They work for you and that's a very different relationship from love. 15:45.300 --> 15:46.300 I mean. 15:46.300 --> 15:47.300 Right. 15:47.300 --> 15:49.300 But they're in our personal love, but they're in our personal love space being 15:49.300 --> 15:50.300 taking up your love. 15:50.300 --> 15:51.300 Yes. 15:51.300 --> 15:52.300 And they suck up energy. 15:52.300 --> 15:53.300 They suck up lots of energy. 15:53.300 --> 15:54.300 Oh yeah. 15:54.300 --> 15:55.300 That's what other people do. 15:55.300 --> 15:56.300 That's what all people do. 15:56.300 --> 15:57.300 No, no, no. 15:57.300 --> 15:58.300 Absolutely not. 15:58.300 --> 16:00.300 You tried, you hired them and you created the job for it. 16:00.300 --> 16:03.300 This is the myth about making it and getting rich. 16:03.300 --> 16:04.300 Thank you. 16:04.300 --> 16:05.300 Well, thank you. 16:05.300 --> 16:06.300 You're so right. 16:06.300 --> 16:10.300 You find, what you find out is that money simply buys you distance. 16:10.300 --> 16:13.300 It buys you to be more distant from everybody else. 16:13.300 --> 16:14.300 Yeah. 16:14.300 --> 16:18.300 And part of the way it does it is by throwing all these people into your life that 16:18.300 --> 16:22.300 you suck up all the energy that you can't have now for friends and family. 16:22.300 --> 16:23.300 You are so right. 16:23.300 --> 16:26.300 You can't hang out with people who are at toys with you. 16:26.300 --> 16:29.300 These people are hanging out with you because you paid them. 16:29.300 --> 16:30.300 Yeah. 16:30.300 --> 16:32.300 It was a big difference. 16:32.300 --> 16:34.300 But they get confused as well. 16:34.300 --> 16:36.300 They get confused. 16:36.300 --> 16:42.300 I've had many people who work for us who felt like, oh, they could pretty much become 16:42.300 --> 16:44.300 a member of the family. 16:44.300 --> 16:45.300 Right. 16:45.300 --> 16:47.300 And you get into really tough situations. 16:47.300 --> 16:52.300 But besides all that, and of course what happened with us, I don't know, I'm sure that it had 16:52.300 --> 16:53.300 an effect. 16:53.300 --> 17:01.300 I know that had an effect on you was when Patricia got her angina pecturis, her heart disease, 17:01.300 --> 17:03.300 we said, fuck this. 17:03.300 --> 17:12.300 Why spend one more second on anybody or anything that we don't really want to do? 17:12.300 --> 17:13.300 Yeah. 17:13.300 --> 17:16.300 That's a basic question, isn't it? 17:16.300 --> 17:17.300 Right. 17:17.300 --> 17:18.300 And that's very important. 17:18.300 --> 17:19.300 At the end of the day. 17:19.300 --> 17:21.300 You can spend one second on it. 17:21.300 --> 17:27.300 I think both of our listeners know that we, both of us are either, let's say, rich or 17:27.300 --> 17:30.300 certainly very comfortable. 17:30.300 --> 17:37.300 And I haven't spent more than $50 on anything. 17:37.300 --> 17:42.300 You have such a perception of what wealth is all about and what it's going to bring 17:42.300 --> 17:43.300 you. 17:44.300 --> 17:52.300 In the past month, I have had more fun in four years' time just by sitting here fucking around 17:52.300 --> 17:58.300 with people I've never met before until, of course, we met online, just plugging wires 17:58.300 --> 17:59.300 and shit together. 17:59.300 --> 18:05.300 But all the conversations that have been going on has been very enriching for me. 18:05.300 --> 18:06.300 Yeah. 18:06.300 --> 18:07.300 I can tell that. 18:07.300 --> 18:10.300 I mean, you said it in your thing yesterday. 18:10.300 --> 18:15.300 It was like the days when it was K-101 or W-Z-101. 18:15.300 --> 18:16.300 W-H-Z-100. 18:16.300 --> 18:17.300 The radio station. 18:17.300 --> 18:18.300 Yeah. 18:18.300 --> 18:19.300 W-H-Z-100. 18:19.300 --> 18:20.300 Right. 18:20.300 --> 18:22.300 I mean, the times of growth are incredible. 18:22.300 --> 18:25.300 They don't come, you know, this is one of those times, basically. 18:25.300 --> 18:30.300 You know, I just sort of feel like BloggerCon is not on that track for me, though. 18:30.300 --> 18:31.300 It's weird. 18:31.300 --> 18:32.300 Really? 18:32.300 --> 18:35.300 You know, this is my third BloggerCon and now it's no, no longer all that. 18:35.300 --> 18:39.300 I mean, a lot of, well, by the way, thank you for writing the description. 18:39.300 --> 18:40.300 I appreciate that. 18:40.300 --> 18:41.300 Yeah. 18:41.300 --> 18:43.300 Was that kind of what you were looking for? 18:43.300 --> 18:44.300 I don't know. 18:44.300 --> 18:45.300 It's up to you, really. 18:45.300 --> 18:46.300 Yeah. 18:46.300 --> 18:49.300 I mean, the point is, what do you want in that session? 18:49.300 --> 18:50.300 It's really your stick. 18:50.300 --> 18:57.300 I mean, my job is to get you to pay attention to some very basic ground rules, you know? 18:57.300 --> 18:58.300 Right. 18:58.300 --> 18:59.300 No commercialism. 18:59.300 --> 19:01.300 Keep the discussion going. 19:01.300 --> 19:04.300 You know, don't allow people to repeat themselves. 19:04.300 --> 19:05.300 Yeah. 19:05.300 --> 19:08.300 You know, don't send people out into the hallway, please. 19:08.300 --> 19:12.300 I've heard that from some, I've now been talking with, I've talked with maybe about half of the 19:12.300 --> 19:15.300 discussion leaders now. 19:15.300 --> 19:19.300 And I hear that and say, well, you know, one of the things I do is if somebody, you know, 19:19.300 --> 19:23.300 doesn't want to talk, I tell them to go out in the hallway and continue that stuff, because 19:23.300 --> 19:27.300 the whole point here is I want the discussion to stay in the room. 19:27.300 --> 19:32.300 And of course, something they really have to say, then let's make space for them to 19:32.300 --> 19:33.300 say it, you know? 19:33.300 --> 19:34.300 Yeah. 19:34.300 --> 19:38.300 You know, if they want to break a rule, though, then ask them not to break the rule. 19:38.300 --> 19:40.300 Don't send them out of the room. 19:40.300 --> 19:45.300 I mean, you know, and after that, it's really good to you what you want to do with that. 19:45.300 --> 19:46.300 Let me ask you a question, Dave. 19:46.300 --> 19:47.300 Sure. 19:47.300 --> 19:48.300 Let me ask you a question. 19:48.300 --> 19:58.300 Did you work it out with Doug Kay for the, certainly the podcast of BloggerCon, if 19:58.300 --> 20:00.300 not direct live streaming webcast? 20:00.300 --> 20:01.300 No, not yet. 20:01.300 --> 20:03.300 No, I haven't talked with him at all. 20:03.300 --> 20:08.300 What has to happen first is I have to get down to Stanford and then, you know, 20:08.300 --> 20:13.300 basically have some conversations with people there about, you know, just 20:13.300 --> 20:16.300 basically what's there for us to use. 20:16.300 --> 20:20.300 Doug's going to ask that question first and, you know, he's going to need to 20:20.300 --> 20:25.300 know that answer and, you know, I don't know the answer. 20:25.300 --> 20:31.300 You know, I would prefer if we could, you know, basically rely as little as 20:31.300 --> 20:34.300 possible on what's present there. 20:34.300 --> 20:39.300 My experience with the last BloggerCon was that because, I think because we did 20:39.300 --> 20:44.300 that, we didn't even end up, not only did we have a webcast, we didn't end up 20:44.300 --> 20:45.300 with recordings. 20:45.300 --> 20:49.300 We aren't MP3s on the BloggerCon site from that conference. 20:49.300 --> 20:50.300 The conference is lost. 20:50.300 --> 20:51.300 Yeah, that sucks. 20:51.300 --> 20:55.300 And it does suck because it was a lot of good shit that happened there. 20:55.300 --> 20:59.300 And, you know, it's sort of like, you know, me as much putting on my IT hat 20:59.300 --> 21:00.300 here, you know. 21:00.300 --> 21:02.300 It's like, what are good strategies? 21:02.300 --> 21:05.300 These guys talk about strategies and, you know, there really is a strategy 21:05.300 --> 21:06.300 of this stuff. 21:06.300 --> 21:08.300 It's like, okay, do you aim low? 21:08.300 --> 21:14.300 You know, if you aim low and with a higher probability of success, then I 21:14.300 --> 21:16.300 would, I think that I would prefer to do that. 21:16.300 --> 21:20.300 In other words, would I trade off the webcast against a higher 21:20.300 --> 21:23.300 probability that we actually end up with a, you know, MP3 for each 21:23.300 --> 21:24.300 subject? 21:24.300 --> 21:25.300 Oh, totally. 21:25.300 --> 21:26.300 Oh, I would totally trade that off. 21:26.300 --> 21:27.300 Right. 21:27.300 --> 21:28.300 So we're in agreement on that. 21:28.300 --> 21:29.300 Oh, totally. 21:29.300 --> 21:30.300 Yeah. 21:30.300 --> 21:31.300 Right. 21:31.300 --> 21:32.300 So, okay, so let's work this through. 21:32.300 --> 21:36.300 So then the question really is, first of all, can we get somebody 21:36.300 --> 21:39.300 in each room with a laptop and a microphone and an ability to 21:39.300 --> 21:42.300 record, okay, number one? 21:42.300 --> 21:46.300 Number two, and I think that we probably could do that, okay? 21:46.300 --> 21:48.300 We probably could organize that well enough. 21:48.300 --> 21:49.300 Yeah. 21:49.300 --> 21:51.300 Certainly with the people that are coming to your session. 21:51.300 --> 21:53.300 Well, all we really need for the other rooms, Dave, is, you 21:53.300 --> 21:56.300 know, if we can supply the microphones, you know, if we 21:56.300 --> 21:59.300 have like four rooms or five rooms, if we have a mic in each 21:59.300 --> 22:03.300 room with a mini three and a half inch jack on one end, then 22:03.300 --> 22:06.300 almost anyone in that room will be able to record the 22:06.300 --> 22:07.300 session for us. 22:07.300 --> 22:08.300 Right. 22:08.300 --> 22:09.300 Right. 22:09.300 --> 22:10.300 That's my point, you know. 22:10.300 --> 22:14.300 And then, you know, and then having somebody who's very 22:14.300 --> 22:18.300 good with, you know, with a notebook and writing down the 22:18.300 --> 22:21.300 names and then pulling teeth to get the recordings out of 22:21.300 --> 22:24.300 the people, because, you know, as much as, this is, I 22:24.300 --> 22:26.300 talked to Scoble about this, and have you ever run a 22:26.300 --> 22:27.300 conference? 22:27.300 --> 22:28.300 Yeah. 22:28.300 --> 22:30.300 One of the things that running a conference teaches you is 22:30.300 --> 22:35.300 that you spend a lot of time just asking over and over 22:35.300 --> 22:38.300 and over again for the things you need, and people 22:38.300 --> 22:40.300 just don't want to do it. 22:40.300 --> 22:44.300 So that's probably, you know, the problem was that 22:44.300 --> 22:46.300 Jay McCarthy's house burned down. 22:46.300 --> 22:47.300 Oh, shit. 22:47.300 --> 22:49.300 That's probably why we don't have, yeah, yeah. 22:49.300 --> 22:51.300 It's probably why we don't have the MP3s. 22:52.300 --> 22:55.300 We had MP3s, but they burned in the fire? 22:55.300 --> 22:57.300 No, that's not what happened. 22:57.300 --> 23:00.300 What happened was he got busy doing other things and 23:00.300 --> 23:03.300 couldn't babysit, couldn't, like, you know, twist 23:03.300 --> 23:05.300 arms to get people to give them what they needed. 23:05.300 --> 23:06.300 Right. 23:06.300 --> 23:08.300 And I certainly didn't want to twist his arm because 23:08.300 --> 23:10.300 fuck his house just burned down. 23:10.300 --> 23:12.300 I'm sorry, dude. 23:12.300 --> 23:14.300 You have to drop that. 23:14.300 --> 23:16.300 Well, you know, here's why I asked. 23:16.300 --> 23:17.300 We've got to get our MP3. 23:17.300 --> 23:19.300 Here's why I asked. 23:19.300 --> 23:21.300 Because I know Doug could certainly do it, 23:21.300 --> 23:22.300 and I know he would. 23:22.300 --> 23:24.300 Well, of course, we wanted to do it for no money. 23:24.300 --> 23:25.300 Yeah. 23:25.300 --> 23:28.300 So why don't we, hold on. 23:28.300 --> 23:30.300 He sent me something that I wanted to play. 23:30.300 --> 23:32.300 Yeah, I mean, I would have to... 23:32.300 --> 23:33.300 Hello? 23:33.300 --> 23:35.300 Ah, we're back. 23:35.300 --> 23:36.300 Yeah. 23:36.300 --> 23:37.300 Sorry. 23:37.300 --> 23:38.300 I don't know what went wrong. 23:38.300 --> 23:39.300 I would have to do it. 23:39.300 --> 23:40.300 Here's the... 23:40.300 --> 23:41.300 Yeah? 23:41.300 --> 23:42.300 Yeah. 23:42.300 --> 23:43.300 Listen, you listen to me? 23:43.300 --> 23:44.300 Yeah. 23:44.300 --> 23:46.300 I would have to do it, and I will if he wants to. 23:46.300 --> 23:48.300 I mean, you know, there's a nice guy at everything. 23:48.300 --> 23:52.300 He's not politically, you know, I'm worried. 23:52.300 --> 23:56.300 It's like the Stanford thing here is like, you know, 23:56.300 --> 23:59.300 I want to make sure that we're, you know, 23:59.300 --> 24:03.300 in good solid ground with them before adding any other variables to it. 24:03.300 --> 24:04.300 Yeah. 24:04.300 --> 24:06.300 Because that's a whole other side to it. 24:06.300 --> 24:07.300 At Harvard, I was there. 24:07.300 --> 24:08.300 I was on site. 24:08.300 --> 24:09.300 I knew people. 24:09.300 --> 24:16.300 And even with that, okay, we still had a bunch of meltdowns 24:16.300 --> 24:18.300 on a sort of human level. 24:18.300 --> 24:21.300 And, you know, none of that showed through in the conference, I don't think. 24:21.300 --> 24:24.300 And, you know, it came off pretty well, you know. 24:24.300 --> 24:25.300 But you have that. 24:25.300 --> 24:26.300 That happened. 24:26.300 --> 24:32.300 And the thing I'm afraid of is that we have that meltdown, 24:32.300 --> 24:35.300 but I'm so far away that I don't even know what happened. 24:35.300 --> 24:38.300 And I don't have a rapport with the people he's working with. 24:38.300 --> 24:41.300 And then the conference gets blown up, you know what I mean? 24:41.300 --> 24:42.300 Right, right. 24:42.300 --> 24:45.300 It all goes back to, you know, to setting your priorities. 24:45.300 --> 24:48.300 And could I do a blog or com without a webcast? 24:48.300 --> 24:49.300 Obviously. 24:49.300 --> 24:50.300 Yeah, of course. 24:50.300 --> 24:51.300 You did it, you know. 24:51.300 --> 24:52.300 Yeah, we could do one without it. 24:52.300 --> 24:56.300 So I have to make sure that the conference is, you know, we're on, 24:56.300 --> 24:59.300 you know, because the bigger problem I have for the conference, 24:59.300 --> 25:02.300 and this is going to be something I'm probably going to start within a few days, 25:02.300 --> 25:04.300 after I get a couple more sessions announced, 25:04.300 --> 25:06.300 is that we've got to raise some money. 25:06.300 --> 25:08.300 And, you know. 25:08.300 --> 25:10.300 How much money do we need? 25:11.300 --> 25:16.300 Probably 25,000, something like that. 25:16.300 --> 25:17.300 Holy shit. 25:17.300 --> 25:18.300 That's a lot of money. 25:18.300 --> 25:19.300 Well, that's not much. 25:19.300 --> 25:21.300 You think it's a lot of money. 25:21.300 --> 25:22.300 I think we can raise that kind of money. 25:22.300 --> 25:23.300 I don't think it's a problem. 25:23.300 --> 25:24.300 Sure. 25:24.300 --> 25:26.300 That's what we spent at the first two. 25:26.300 --> 25:27.300 I mean, you know. 25:27.300 --> 25:28.300 Yeah. 25:28.300 --> 25:31.300 You know, it's basically you have to pay for some of the facilities. 25:31.300 --> 25:33.300 You have to pay for food. 25:33.300 --> 25:35.300 If we want to have refreshments, we're going to have to, 25:35.300 --> 25:36.300 we have to pay for that. 25:36.300 --> 25:39.300 Who underwrote that last time, Dave? 25:39.300 --> 25:43.300 It was a combination of things. 25:43.300 --> 25:46.300 It was, some of it was from donations, 25:46.300 --> 25:48.300 from people who just gave money like yourself. 25:48.300 --> 25:50.300 You gave $1,000. 25:50.300 --> 25:52.300 I gave $1,000. 25:52.300 --> 25:54.300 Microsoft gave some money. 25:54.300 --> 25:56.300 I don't remember the exact amount. 25:56.300 --> 25:58.300 Oh, Dave, all of a sudden, I have a great idea. 25:58.300 --> 26:00.300 We can do a pledge drive. 26:00.300 --> 26:02.300 Yeah, we're going to do a pledge drive. 26:02.300 --> 26:06.300 Adam and Dave are going to stay on there until we have 25,000 dollars. 26:07.300 --> 26:09.300 Oh, wow. 26:09.300 --> 26:12.300 Yeah, then you're going to go back to that Moroccan hash bar. 26:12.300 --> 26:14.300 And you're going to pick up a piece. 26:17.300 --> 26:20.300 When you come over to Europe, you're going to hang out with my buddies 26:20.300 --> 26:22.300 at Purple Rain in the Moroccan hash bar. 26:22.300 --> 26:23.300 They're cool, man. 26:23.300 --> 26:25.300 By the way, they were wrong. 26:25.300 --> 26:27.300 You guys were wrong. 26:27.300 --> 26:30.300 I mean, Bush and Kerry are not the same thing. 26:30.300 --> 26:32.300 I mean, Bush is depraved. 26:32.300 --> 26:34.300 He really is evil, you know? 26:34.300 --> 26:37.300 Somebody, I heard this on CNN yesterday. 26:37.300 --> 26:39.300 This is really right on. 26:39.300 --> 26:41.300 They were interviewing some Arab guy. 26:41.300 --> 26:45.300 And they were talking about, he was like Iraqi or Jordanian 26:45.300 --> 26:46.300 or something like that. 26:46.300 --> 26:47.300 He was very smart. 26:47.300 --> 26:50.300 And you know, the problem is that you got these assholes 26:50.300 --> 26:51.300 running around. 26:51.300 --> 26:54.300 Like, what's the name of the guy who keeps cutting people's heads off? 26:54.300 --> 26:56.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 26:56.300 --> 26:58.300 You know what I mean? 26:58.300 --> 26:59.300 The way me and whatever. 26:59.300 --> 27:00.300 Yeah, this guy, I know what you mean. 27:00.300 --> 27:01.300 Yeah. 27:01.300 --> 27:03.300 Mr. Fucking asshole. 27:03.300 --> 27:04.300 Yeah. 27:04.300 --> 27:05.300 People's heads off. 27:05.300 --> 27:07.300 Yeah, this is not a nice guy. 27:07.300 --> 27:12.300 But then you got George Bush, who's laughing about the whole thing. 27:12.300 --> 27:14.300 I mean, that's what he's doing. 27:14.300 --> 27:17.300 The Republican talking points are he's on the air 27:17.300 --> 27:21.300 and laughs at whoever is saying that you're fucking up. 27:21.300 --> 27:22.300 He's laughing at them. 27:22.300 --> 27:25.300 And it is the most horrible thing to listen to these guys. 27:25.300 --> 27:27.300 They're really good at it. 27:27.300 --> 27:29.300 And they're really nasty. 27:29.300 --> 27:32.300 And the other guys just won't stoop that low. 27:32.300 --> 27:37.300 I mean, it's like the Democrats just sitting there scratching 27:37.300 --> 27:40.300 their asses going, we can't do that to praise. 27:40.300 --> 27:42.300 We're just not that bad. 27:42.300 --> 27:43.300 That's true. 27:43.300 --> 27:44.300 That's true. 27:44.300 --> 27:45.300 But is it effective? 27:45.300 --> 27:46.300 Is this strategy effective? 27:46.300 --> 27:47.300 That's why the Republicans are winning. 27:47.300 --> 27:50.300 I mean, the Republicans are winning because the people 27:50.300 --> 27:54.300 don't know who's telling the truth. 27:54.300 --> 27:57.300 And they've managed to sort of like, you know, 27:57.300 --> 28:02.300 put so much doubt on that that, you know, people just. 28:02.300 --> 28:05.300 So it really is important, I think, 28:05.300 --> 28:07.300 that people vote for John Kerry. 28:07.300 --> 28:08.300 Yeah. 28:08.300 --> 28:09.300 Hello? 28:09.300 --> 28:11.300 Yeah, I'm going to be there anyway. 28:11.300 --> 28:13.300 Yeah, it's not the same thing. 28:13.300 --> 28:15.300 I think we have a lot bigger holes to dig out of 28:15.300 --> 28:16.300 if we relic this. 28:16.300 --> 28:17.300 But yeah. 28:17.300 --> 28:18.300 No, I know. 28:18.300 --> 28:19.300 I totally agree. 28:19.300 --> 28:23.300 But I think the point that we came up with. 28:23.300 --> 28:24.300 Hello. 28:24.300 --> 28:25.300 Yeah. 28:25.300 --> 28:26.300 Can you hear me, Dave? 28:26.300 --> 28:27.300 Hello? 28:27.300 --> 28:28.300 Yeah, I'm here. 28:28.300 --> 28:29.300 Yeah, I hear you. 28:29.300 --> 28:30.300 I'm here. 28:30.300 --> 28:31.300 I'm here. 28:31.300 --> 28:32.300 Okay. 28:32.300 --> 28:36.300 The point that we hit on is that in government, 28:36.300 --> 28:40.300 it's so intertwined with so many conflicts of interest 28:40.300 --> 28:43.300 and so much shit that, and, you know, 28:43.300 --> 28:45.300 Kerry will bring some of that with him too. 28:45.300 --> 28:46.300 But I do agree. 28:46.300 --> 28:47.300 Yes. 28:47.300 --> 28:49.300 It must be something wrong with your computer, Dave. 28:49.300 --> 28:50.300 I hear you fine. 28:50.300 --> 28:54.300 What is wrong here? 28:54.300 --> 28:57.300 What is the problem, man? 28:57.300 --> 28:59.300 I hear you perfectly. 28:59.300 --> 29:00.300 Oh, I did hear you perfectly. 29:00.300 --> 29:01.300 Can you hear me? 29:01.300 --> 29:02.300 Yeah. 29:02.300 --> 29:03.300 Oh, wait. 29:03.300 --> 29:04.300 You can't hear me. 29:04.300 --> 29:05.300 Hello, hello, hello. 29:05.300 --> 29:06.300 What's going on? 29:06.300 --> 29:08.300 Hold on, hold on, hold on. 29:08.300 --> 29:09.300 Hold on. 29:09.300 --> 29:10.300 Ah. 29:10.300 --> 29:11.300 Okay. 29:11.300 --> 29:12.300 Why am I? 29:12.300 --> 29:13.300 Why are you not? 29:13.300 --> 29:14.300 Oh, you know. 29:14.300 --> 29:15.300 Why are you not? 29:15.300 --> 29:16.300 I play music here. 29:16.300 --> 29:17.300 Yeah, but why are you not hearing me? 29:17.300 --> 29:18.300 You know that. 29:18.300 --> 29:20.300 Uh, this is weird. 29:20.300 --> 29:22.300 Uh, hello? 29:22.300 --> 29:23.300 Hello, hello, hello? 29:23.300 --> 29:24.300 Hello? 29:24.300 --> 29:25.300 Yeah. 29:25.300 --> 29:26.300 Can you hear me? 29:26.300 --> 29:27.300 Maybe we can try. 29:27.300 --> 29:28.300 Yeah, I can kind of hear you. 29:28.300 --> 29:29.300 Yeah, you can hear this one. 29:29.300 --> 29:31.300 You can't hear that either, huh? 29:31.300 --> 29:33.300 I can hear you fine now. 29:33.300 --> 29:36.300 You're sounding very good. 29:36.300 --> 29:40.300 Okay, but you should be able to hear this as well. 29:40.300 --> 29:43.300 I don't know what it is that I'm supposed to be hearing. 29:43.300 --> 29:44.300 Do you hear me now? 29:44.300 --> 29:45.300 Hello? 29:45.300 --> 29:46.300 Hello, hello? 29:46.300 --> 29:47.300 Okay. 29:47.300 --> 29:49.300 I can hear you fine. 29:49.300 --> 29:52.300 Well, hold on a second. 29:53.300 --> 29:55.300 I hate it when this happens. 29:55.300 --> 29:56.300 Okay. 29:56.300 --> 29:58.300 Now, can you hear me? 29:58.300 --> 29:59.300 I hear... 29:59.300 --> 30:00.300 Oh, yeah. 30:00.300 --> 30:01.300 Okay. 30:01.300 --> 30:02.300 Yeah, man. 30:02.300 --> 30:03.300 Then we're good to go. 30:03.300 --> 30:04.300 Then we're good to go. 30:04.300 --> 30:06.300 I'm going to play you some music now. 30:06.300 --> 30:08.300 You're going to play me some music. 30:08.300 --> 30:09.300 Yeah. 30:09.300 --> 30:10.300 Okay. 30:22.300 --> 30:34.300 Yup. 30:34.300 --> 30:36.300 They did. 30:36.300 --> 30:38.300 They got something. 30:38.300 --> 30:39.300 Yeah. 30:39.300 --> 30:41.300 You know what I forgot? 30:41.300 --> 30:42.300 What? 30:42.300 --> 30:44.300 It's 3 a.m. here. 30:44.300 --> 30:48.300 And you just turned it up to, like, Max and everyone's chilling out? 30:48.300 --> 30:49.300 Oh, yeah. 30:49.300 --> 30:51.300 You're chilling all right. 30:51.300 --> 30:53.300 Yeah, you sent me a link to that. 30:53.300 --> 30:54.300 What was up with that? 30:54.300 --> 30:56.300 Is that your song of the day? 30:56.300 --> 30:58.300 I was just moving into that song. 30:58.300 --> 31:00.300 I just thought it was, like, wow. 31:00.300 --> 31:02.300 Have you heard the New Prince album? 31:02.300 --> 31:03.300 No. 31:03.300 --> 31:05.300 I'm still catching up on the old ones. 31:05.300 --> 31:06.300 Oh, man. 31:06.300 --> 31:07.300 Hold on. 31:07.300 --> 31:08.300 Hold on. 31:08.300 --> 31:09.300 Hold on. 31:09.300 --> 31:10.300 You got to check this out. 31:10.300 --> 31:11.300 This will kill you. 31:11.300 --> 31:12.300 Oh, man. 31:12.300 --> 31:14.300 This new album, Musicology? 31:14.300 --> 31:15.300 Good. 31:15.300 --> 31:16.300 What? 31:16.300 --> 31:18.300 I got to ask him a couple of questions. 31:18.300 --> 31:20.300 We got to get him on the show here. 31:20.300 --> 31:21.300 Come on. 31:21.300 --> 31:22.300 He'll come on. 31:22.300 --> 31:23.300 He'll come on. 31:23.300 --> 31:24.300 Check this out, dude. 31:24.300 --> 31:25.300 Check this out. 31:25.300 --> 31:26.300 This is from Musicology. 31:26.300 --> 31:27.300 Ooh. 31:27.300 --> 31:28.300 Ooh. 31:28.300 --> 31:29.300 It's completely old-school. 31:29.300 --> 31:31.300 Yeah, it's completely old-school Prince. 31:36.300 --> 31:37.300 Ooh. 31:37.300 --> 31:39.300 Ooh, that's nice. 31:39.300 --> 31:41.300 Yeah, it's cool, isn't it? 31:46.300 --> 31:48.300 That's like James Brown. 31:48.300 --> 31:50.300 Oh, well, totally James Brown. 31:56.300 --> 31:58.300 His shit is, it rocks so hard. 31:58.300 --> 32:00.300 He's really, really good. 32:00.300 --> 32:01.300 Yeah. 32:01.300 --> 32:05.300 I mean, how many other, like, how much more music do you need? 32:05.300 --> 32:06.300 I mean, that's sort of- 32:06.300 --> 32:07.300 Besides Prince? 32:07.300 --> 32:08.300 Yeah. 32:08.300 --> 32:10.300 It's, you know, it's Prince and that, you know- 32:10.300 --> 32:13.300 Listen, I'm really, you know, this thing's coming in and out. 32:13.300 --> 32:15.300 I can't hear anything right now. 32:15.300 --> 32:16.300 I don't know if you can hear me. 32:16.300 --> 32:19.300 I can hear you, no problem. 32:19.300 --> 32:21.300 Yeah, there must be something. 32:21.300 --> 32:24.300 Your machine is messed up, dude. 32:28.300 --> 32:29.300 All right, well, listen. 32:29.300 --> 32:33.300 What else do we want to talk about at 3AM your time? 32:33.300 --> 32:35.300 You know, if you can hear me, 32:35.300 --> 32:38.300 I'm thinking about buying a new computer just for this. 32:38.300 --> 32:40.300 Yeah, buy a Mac. 32:40.300 --> 32:42.300 Buy a Mac. 32:42.300 --> 32:43.300 I can't hear anything. 32:43.300 --> 32:48.300 Buy a Mac. 32:48.300 --> 32:50.300 Did you hear me? 32:50.300 --> 32:51.300 Hold on. 32:51.300 --> 32:54.300 I heard you say, did you hit? 32:54.300 --> 32:55.300 Did you hit? 32:55.300 --> 32:57.300 I said, buy a Mac. 32:57.300 --> 32:59.300 Oh, buy a Mac. 32:59.300 --> 33:01.300 Why would I want to do that? 33:01.300 --> 33:04.300 But you said Macs have the same problem. 33:04.300 --> 33:05.300 What? 33:05.300 --> 33:07.300 This is so horrible. 33:07.300 --> 33:10.300 I thought you said that Macs have the same problem. 33:10.300 --> 33:12.300 Oh, you can hear me now again? 33:13.300 --> 33:15.300 Yeah. 33:15.300 --> 33:17.300 Not as bad. 33:17.300 --> 33:19.300 I can read what you're writing. 33:19.300 --> 33:21.300 I can't hear you. 33:21.300 --> 33:23.300 No as bad, no. 33:23.300 --> 33:24.300 I see. 33:24.300 --> 33:25.300 You can hear me fine. 33:25.300 --> 33:26.300 Yeah, no problem. 33:26.300 --> 33:27.300 No problem at all. 33:27.300 --> 33:28.300 So I should just talk. 33:28.300 --> 33:29.300 Yeah. 33:29.300 --> 33:31.300 What do I want to say? 33:31.300 --> 33:33.300 Well, yeah. 33:33.300 --> 33:36.300 Boy, I would really like to get a computer that works. 33:36.300 --> 33:39.300 That's what I want to say. 33:39.300 --> 33:42.300 Listen, if you can't hear me, this is going to be useless. 33:42.300 --> 33:46.300 This is funny that Steve Gilmore said he really enjoyed all of our 33:46.300 --> 33:50.300 trials and tribulations trying to get that shit to work the other day. 33:50.300 --> 33:54.300 Yeah, but how long will it stay? 33:54.300 --> 33:57.300 If you want me to hear what you're saying, you have to type it. 33:57.300 --> 33:58.300 Yeah. 33:58.300 --> 33:59.300 Hold on. 33:59.300 --> 34:01.300 Meanwhile, it won't stay for too long. 34:01.300 --> 34:02.300 Meanwhile, assistance calling. 34:02.300 --> 34:03.300 Crystalline, believe so too. 34:03.300 --> 34:05.300 It's mostly pretty sad, actually. 34:05.300 --> 34:06.300 Goodbye. 34:06.300 --> 34:08.300 Oh, man. 34:08.300 --> 34:12.300 Well, this isn't this. 34:12.300 --> 34:15.300 I think we've done an excellent job for today. 34:15.300 --> 34:17.300 I mean, there's really more I'd like to say. 34:17.300 --> 34:19.300 Actually, there is one thing I want to say. 34:19.300 --> 34:20.300 Okay. 34:20.300 --> 34:21.300 I want to say something, okay? 34:21.300 --> 34:27.300 That some asshole went onto our website, went onto our blog, and said, you know, 34:27.300 --> 34:31.300 how it says, this is a bad place for fans of George Bush. 34:31.300 --> 34:32.300 Yeah. 34:32.300 --> 34:37.300 And what he said was, I don't think it's such a bad place for fans of 34:37.300 --> 34:38.300 George Bush. 34:38.300 --> 34:43.300 And I thought to myself, we really need to do something about that. 34:43.300 --> 34:46.300 We need to be putting that guy down some more. 34:46.300 --> 34:49.300 You know, yeah, I got a smiley. 34:49.300 --> 34:53.300 I mean, I said, jeez, I thought this shit was working. 34:53.300 --> 34:54.300 Oh, man. 34:54.300 --> 34:57.300 I mean, there are people who support George Bush listening to this thing, 34:57.300 --> 35:00.300 and their blood pressure isn't going up. 35:00.300 --> 35:02.300 Yeah, I hope so. 35:02.300 --> 35:05.300 I'm not too happy about dots, mom. 35:05.300 --> 35:06.300 Yeah. 35:06.300 --> 35:11.300 Okay, time to get out of here. 35:11.300 --> 35:14.300 You know what, would you tell the folks, yeah, would you tell the folks 35:14.300 --> 35:15.300 goodbye for me? 35:15.300 --> 35:16.300 I can't hear a word you're saying. 35:16.300 --> 35:17.300 Okay. 35:17.300 --> 35:18.300 I think we need to do that. 35:18.300 --> 35:19.300 Okay. 35:19.300 --> 35:22.300 And we'll reconvene at some point in the future soon. 35:22.300 --> 35:24.300 Okay, Dave, as we... 35:24.300 --> 35:26.300 Actually, I have one more thing to say. 35:26.300 --> 35:28.300 Keep on doing that daily source code. 35:28.300 --> 35:30.300 You kicking butt, damn man. 35:30.300 --> 35:32.300 That's really good stuff. 35:32.300 --> 35:35.300 Yeah, let me reply to them. 35:35.300 --> 35:36.300 Right on. 35:36.300 --> 35:39.300 And I'll say theme music. 35:39.300 --> 35:42.300 Okay. 35:42.300 --> 35:43.300 Right? 35:43.300 --> 35:44.300 Okay. 35:44.300 --> 35:45.300 That's it, everybody. 35:45.300 --> 35:47.300 We'll catch you next time on Trade Secrets. 35:47.300 --> 35:48.300 Let's get the fuck out of here. 35:48.300 --> 35:50.300 Bye-bye, everybody. 35:51.250 --> 36:08.300 [ Music ] 36:08.300 --> 36:11.300 You don't need conference speakers.