WEBVTT 00:07.500 --> 00:14.500 Well, howdy everybody welcome to this 00:16.500 --> 00:20.500 It is Tuesday, September 28th, 2004. 00:20.500 --> 00:23.500 It's Tuesday afternoons, 5... 00:30.000 --> 00:36.000 an interesting day. On the phone a lot of people doing a lot of stuff. I kind of chilled 00:36.000 --> 00:42.000 out yesterday and Monday and all I did basically was record a really long source code. I went 00:42.000 --> 00:49.000 up to Breda not only for the stop off of my buddies at the Moroccan place but also went 00:49.000 --> 00:56.000 back to a premiere last night of a musical. Let's dial down the music a little bit. 00:56.000 --> 01:00.000 This is a musical done by a friend of ours, a big musical production that's called 01:00.000 --> 01:06.000 Love Me Just a Little Bit More and it's based on or not really based on, it's a story that 01:06.000 --> 01:14.000 uses all of the songs by this girl band from the 80s from Holland called The Dolly Dots. 01:14.000 --> 01:19.000 And I've forgotten how many songs they had made. Lots of albums and it was kind of 01:19.000 --> 01:25.000 like a grease. In the 80s you had grease which was about the 1950s. So this was pretty 01:25.000 --> 01:30.000 much 2004, almost 2005 and we're looking back at the 80s. It was a high school and 01:30.000 --> 01:33.000 but it was it was 01:31.500 --> 01:37.500 funny and it made me feel old on one hand but also it you know it made me laugh 01:37.500 --> 01:41.500 and it made me also proud of some of the leg well now I guess if you look at leg 01:41.500 --> 01:47.500 warmers and big hair and shoulder pads as the legacy of the 80s maybe we 01:47.500 --> 01:52.500 shouldn't be so proud but it was it was alright so I just kind of dicked around 01:52.500 --> 01:57.500 yesterday and today had to do a bit of business take care of some stuff make 01:57.500 --> 02:02.500 sure the empire is running right and been on the phone this morning I saw that 02:02.500 --> 02:07.500 Dave was online and I gave him a quick instant message and he said you know 02:07.500 --> 02:10.500 let's switch audio and so we did and I've learned by now that I've got to keep 02:10.500 --> 02:14.500 the record button handy because of all of a sudden you know we're getting into 02:14.500 --> 02:17.500 some interesting conversation and we'll say hey you know let's record this and 02:17.500 --> 02:21.500 Dave wanted to record it I don't know why but we did so a new trade 02:21.500 --> 02:25.500 secrets born a short one like 36 02:25.500 --> 02:30.500 The good news is we get the SIP phone stuff working but it was 3 a.m. where Dave was and 02:30.500 --> 02:34.500 he was over modulating and I knew I'd have to walk him through the mic levels and we 02:34.500 --> 02:36.500 were talking about something else. 02:36.500 --> 02:40.500 But it did work and all it really took on his end if you'll remember if you caught 02:40.500 --> 02:46.500 our trade secrets where we were trying to get that system working, the problem was 02:46.500 --> 02:48.500 Dave just had to reboot his machine. 02:48.500 --> 02:51.500 So he rebooted and it worked. 02:51.500 --> 02:53.500 But we got to work on the quality. 02:53.500 --> 02:57.500 I'm sure we can get it working but the good news is if we can get the SIP phone 02:57.500 --> 03:03.500 working I think with the free X10 Lite version I can conference three calls in 03:03.500 --> 03:07.500 together which means we could do a call-in show because we can set up a 03:07.500 --> 03:12.500 virtual phone number, we can set up a couple, I'll set up one in New York, in 03:12.500 --> 03:17.500 California and in the United Kingdom and then basically you dial that number 03:17.500 --> 03:20.500 if it's local to you which should be you know we should be able to pretty 03:20.500 --> 03:23.500 much get local service you know that should be local to a lot of people who 03:23.500 --> 03:26.500 listen to this and it shouldn't be too bad to call if you're someone. 03:27.000 --> 03:33.000 in the middle. And then that'll be routed through to my SIP phone. On one hand I'll be talking 03:33.000 --> 03:37.000 to Dave and then we can just conferencing, I guess, two more lines. And if I can't do 03:37.000 --> 03:39.000 it with the free version, then after some testing, after I'm convinced that this is 03:39.000 --> 03:44.000 going to work for us, then we'll do it. We'll buy a pro version or whatever. There's 03:44.000 --> 03:50.000 also this thing called the Asterix PBX, which is a software-based PBX. You can route 03:50.000 --> 03:54.000 calls and stuff all over the place. It's open source. It's beautiful. It also works 03:54.000 --> 03:58.000 on OSX. But I thought it was a little bit too much overkill for what we're trying to 03:58.000 --> 04:02.000 do. But as we progress, and as this coming Thursday, I think, we're going to try and 04:02.000 --> 04:08.000 do a trade secrets together. So I can't be a soliloquy, I guess, if it's 04:08.000 --> 04:13.000 together. Still word of the week, soliloquy. We're going to record a trade 04:13.000 --> 04:16.000 secrets while we're watching the presidential debate. And is it just me 04:16.000 --> 04:21.000 or is something wrong with Mac.com's email today? Because I think that, 04:21.000 --> 04:26.000 all of a sudden, just stop receiving mail. I forward my email from curry.com to 04:26.000 --> 04:30.000 adamcurry.com. 04:28.500 --> 04:30.500 And nothing's coming in. 04:30.500 --> 04:35.500 And the Surefire test is I went into the web browser, into the webmail, and sent an email 04:35.500 --> 04:39.500 to myself at www.mc.com from that address and it hasn't shown up. 04:39.500 --> 04:44.500 So I think something's wrong with Apple's email system, which bites. 04:44.500 --> 04:45.500 Where's the announcement? 04:45.500 --> 04:46.500 Put something on your web page. 04:46.500 --> 04:47.500 Come on. 04:47.500 --> 04:49.500 It can't be just my account. 04:49.500 --> 04:50.500 I'm sure. 04:50.500 --> 04:51.500 I hope not. 04:51.500 --> 04:52.500 Maybe it's filled up. 04:52.500 --> 04:54.500 Is there a way to see if your account? 04:54.500 --> 04:57.500 No, it's only 250 messages in there. 04:57.500 --> 04:59.500 No, it can't be filled up. 04:59.500 --> 05:04.500 Anyway, lots of clips and bits to play for you today. 05:04.500 --> 05:06.500 Lots of new stuff coming on the radar. 05:06.500 --> 05:09.500 Some exciting prospects to talk about today. 05:09.500 --> 05:13.500 And actually I wanted to just kick it off with some tunes because I haven't really 05:13.500 --> 05:15.500 had a chance to play anything today. 05:19.500 --> 05:20.500 And if you don't like it, skip it! 05:20.500 --> 05:22.500 Rock and roll, Hoochie-Coo, Rick Derringer. 05:26.250 --> 08:26.250 [ Music ] 08:40.500 --> 08:41.500 Boy. 08:41.500 --> 08:42.500 Yeah baby. 08:42.500 --> 08:43.500 Ended up there. 08:43.500 --> 08:44.500 All right. 08:44.500 --> 08:53.500 I keep wondering about what I want to, you know, what kind of songs I want to play in 08:53.500 --> 08:54.500 the source code and I always want to. 08:58.500 --> 09:00.500 Um, actually, who was that? 09:00.500 --> 09:03.500 I got an email about that because I'd asked, you know, do you really listen to the song 09:03.500 --> 09:04.500 or not? 09:06.000 --> 09:10.000 What is crypt? Crypt says, I usually always skip the songs. 09:10.000 --> 09:13.000 By guess that's just my taste in music. Keep it up. See ya. 09:13.000 --> 09:16.000 Crypt. So, you know, it's like that's the beauty of this. 09:16.000 --> 09:18.000 If you don't like the song, just skip ahead. 09:18.000 --> 09:22.000 You know, it's gonna be three or four minutes later on in the show. 09:22.000 --> 09:26.000 Also, I've been, every single morning I scan the, 09:26.000 --> 09:32.000 as I go through my new shows playlist on my iTunes or on my iPod, 09:32.000 --> 09:34.000 depending where I am. 09:34.000 --> 09:38.000 The Blog Digger Media Feeds and The Feedster MP3 Feeds. 09:38.000 --> 09:40.000 And there's a lot of stuff that comes through there. 09:40.000 --> 09:42.000 There's some really wacky stuff too. 09:43.000 --> 09:44.000 And then some music shows up once in a while. 09:44.000 --> 09:46.000 Let's see what came in today. 09:46.000 --> 09:48.000 Some Fleetwood Mac live stuff. 09:50.000 --> 09:52.000 You know, the odd audio blog post, 09:52.000 --> 09:54.000 just that which is just titled as a number. 09:54.000 --> 09:56.000 Gosh, it's so sad. 09:56.000 --> 09:58.000 You know, there's so many really interesting things 09:58.000 --> 10:00.000 that just no way to trace the origin, 10:00.000 --> 10:02.000 because people don't put any kind of ID. 10:04.500 --> 10:10.500 metadata into their files and you're just like, I wish I could find where this came from. 10:10.500 --> 10:16.500 See what was the, there's some new IT conversations stuff came in which I haven't heard yet. 10:16.500 --> 10:19.500 A new memory lane with Halley suit, looking forward to that. 10:19.500 --> 10:24.500 Also something good on ITconversations.com which was open source in healthcare. 10:24.500 --> 10:29.500 It's about a 14, 15 minutes podcast. 10:29.500 --> 10:33.500 Interesting industry and if you're in open source definitely check that show out. 10:33.500 --> 10:40.500 Okay, let's switch over now to a good buddy of ours who's been sending stuff into the show 10:40.500 --> 10:45.500 and has been helping out with settings. It's our pal, Dr. Dave from Las Vegas. 10:45.500 --> 10:48.500 Dr. Dave, surely quite an audio professional. 10:49.500 --> 10:52.500 And he checked in again, sent us another voicemail. Here's Dr. Dave. 10:52.500 --> 10:57.500 Hello Adam, Dr. Dave from Las Vegas. I'd like to thank you for broadcasting my previous 11:01.500 --> 11:06.500 numerous replies and they've all been positive. It seems as though you have the ability to 11:06.500 --> 11:11.500 reach the outermost portions of the planet, both geographically and atmospherically. 11:11.500 --> 11:15.500 Yeah, well, and that's just with my hair, Dr. Dave. Wait until my ego comes up. 11:15.500 --> 11:20.500 An update on my email address. I've been attacked by spam people who are using my 11:20.500 --> 11:23.500 old email address as a return address, thus yielding 11:25.500 --> 11:26.500 emails a day most of them 11:28.500 --> 11:31.500 So, uh, I have changed the email address. 11:31.500 --> 11:35.500 Please take note, Dr. Dave-USA at cox.net. 11:35.500 --> 11:39.500 Also, Dr. Dave-USA at gmail.com. 11:39.500 --> 11:42.500 From Las Vegas, it's Dr. Dave Clear. 11:42.500 --> 11:43.500 Now, I love that. 11:43.500 --> 11:46.500 Dr. Dave, from Las Vegas, it's Dr. Dave Clear. 11:46.500 --> 11:48.500 All right, Dave, thanks very much, man. 11:48.500 --> 11:50.500 And I'm sure that you'll get all kinds of interesting email now. 11:50.500 --> 11:53.500 Now that we've played this on the source code. 11:53.500 --> 11:54.500 And check in once in a while, you know. 11:54.500 --> 11:56.500 Let us know what you're doing, what you're working on. 12:00.000 --> 12:03.000 And I like having all kinds of different voices on the show. 12:03.000 --> 12:06.000 And I do want to send out props to Mark Cantor for a second. 12:06.000 --> 12:10.000 I was going to mention that during the trade secret show that Dave and I cut this morning 12:10.000 --> 12:14.000 because something has been popping into my head for a while now. 12:14.000 --> 12:19.000 From a conversation I had many, many years ago when I was still living in the state 12:19.000 --> 12:21.000 and we had our company think new ideas. 12:21.000 --> 12:26.000 And I was hanging out with Mark, which is actually where I hooked up with Dave 12:26.000 --> 12:27.000 Weiner. 12:27.000 --> 12:30.000 And Mark and I, we fall in and out of love all the time. 12:30.000 --> 12:32.000 I think a lot of people do that with Mark. 12:32.000 --> 12:36.000 But he did say at one point, he said, Adam, what we need is we need someone to introduce 12:36.000 --> 12:39.000 this stuff, this new stuff that we're doing that we're creating. 12:39.000 --> 12:42.000 We need a VJ for the music videos of the internet. 12:42.000 --> 12:48.000 And when it comes to podcasting, I think that I'm fitting into some role similar to that. 12:48.000 --> 12:54.000 I'm liking it because people are sending me links to new shows and audio bits. 12:54.000 --> 12:56.000 I think there's so much more that we can do. 12:56.000 --> 13:00.000 And Mark said to me today, could someone put together a podcast of dinner music? 13:01.500 --> 13:05.500 So just basically a playlist, put together a playlist of dinner music. 13:05.500 --> 13:08.500 Now granted that's not exactly what we're doing with podcasting but wow, if you had a 13:08.500 --> 13:14.500 mixed list, not just something that, well yeah, really a mixed list. 13:14.500 --> 13:16.500 Make a beautiful mix. 13:16.500 --> 13:24.500 It could also be one podcast channel that has different songs in it. 13:24.500 --> 13:26.500 But it could be that or it could be... 13:26.500 --> 13:30.500 So the other thing that I heard was I had like a financial news show, you know, an analyst 13:30.500 --> 13:30.500 doing a... 13:34.500 --> 13:39.500 be, maybe that's only a one minute or a two minute podcast, but wow, I'd love to have that 13:39.500 --> 13:43.500 sitting in my queue, you know, in my playlist queue. 13:43.500 --> 13:46.500 Now, how do I come up with all that? 13:46.500 --> 13:52.500 It doesn't matter because right along with Dr. Dave, Dr. Dave, of course, you know, I 13:52.500 --> 13:54.500 had this visual of Dr. Dave. 13:54.500 --> 13:58.500 He's one of these guys with this, you know, the huge gonad voice and he does all the 13:58.500 --> 14:00.500 voice overs for the movies. 14:00.500 --> 14:05.500 Maybe you're like in a world where men are men and women are looking scared. 14:05.500 --> 14:10.500 You know, he just sits at home in his studio and people dial up with an ISDN and 14:10.500 --> 14:14.500 he cuts all these recordings and he may not even know what he's really doing 14:14.500 --> 14:14.500 him for. 14:14.500 --> 14:17.500 He's just doing it, you know, and it's a great way to make a living because 14:17.500 --> 14:19.500 he's basically podcasting for money. 14:19.500 --> 14:22.500 Something else we're going to talk about today, by the way. 14:22.500 --> 14:28.500 And I received a nice response and email from Tony Khan 14:28.500 --> 14:30.500 from WGBH in Boston. 14:30.500 --> 14:34.500 Remember, he's the one that sent me the 1-800 called dad. 14:36.000 --> 14:39.000 a sound clip from the morning stories and they're putting together a podcast feed. So 14:39.000 --> 14:40.000 he sent me a mail he said, 14:42.000 --> 14:46.000 which is great. And he also sent me another morning stories which relates to Dr. Dave and also 14:46.000 --> 14:52.000 the how politics work in America. I want you to listen to Fumfer Klackett for Senator. 14:52.000 --> 14:57.000 Bill, Bill, you all warmed up in there, Bill? 14:57.000 --> 15:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, what are we doing today, Larry? 15:00.000 --> 15:04.000 It's a last minute commercial for the Fumfer Klackett for Senator. You got this right there. 15:04.000 --> 15:07.000 Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right here. 15:07.000 --> 15:14.000 Okay, good. Let's do it. Hey, rollin' on Fumfer Klackett for Senate. Take one, make it, sing, baby. 15:14.000 --> 15:18.000 Fumfer Klackett, you know where he stands. 15:18.000 --> 15:22.000 Yeah, actually, I don't. But where does he stand, Larry? 15:22.000 --> 15:23.000 Uh, what difference is it? 15:23.000 --> 15:26.000 Well, there's a long list of issues here. Larry, am I supposed to sound 15:26.000 --> 15:28.000 former or against him? 15:28.000 --> 15:30.000 Uh, well, take one later. 15:30.000 --> 15:31.000 Oh, okay. 15:31.000 --> 15:41.000 Fumfer Klackett, you know where he stands on taxes, abortion, the economy, condoms in the school. 15:41.000 --> 15:43.000 All right. Okay, now sound. 15:43.500 --> 15:45.500 for them. Okay. 15:45.500 --> 15:53.500 Fumferklacket. You know where he stands. On taxes. Abortion. The economy. Condoms in 15:53.500 --> 15:58.500 school. Beautiful. Okay now for the finish just read his name. What? Just Fumferklacket? 15:58.500 --> 16:01.500 Yeah. Fumferklacket. Oh what's gonna be on the screen? 16:01.500 --> 16:08.500 Well, it's early in the morning. A bird, a duck, a bus, a bus. His wife and dog are 16:08.500 --> 16:12.500 in the background. He's got a three-piece suit and a briefcase and he's taken out. 16:14.500 --> 16:19.500 That's beautiful Larry. So say his name. Fumferklacket. 16:19.500 --> 16:23.500 Uh, eat something Bill. Try saying his name like it's the answer to a question. 16:23.500 --> 16:26.500 You mean like what rhymes with the grimble gracket Fumferklacket? 16:26.500 --> 16:28.500 The only without the question. Try and... 16:30.500 --> 16:33.500 Who's the guy with the dbdis? Fumferklacket. 16:34.500 --> 16:38.500 Who got indicted for tax evasion last year? Fumferklacket. 16:38.500 --> 16:39.500 Great. What for? 16:39.500 --> 16:43.500 Who's probably not gonna pay his campaign bills? Fumferklacket. 16:43.500 --> 16:44.500 You... 16:45.000 --> 16:47.000 Oh, uh, say, listen Larry? 16:47.000 --> 16:48.000 Yeah. 16:48.000 --> 16:49.000 He is gonna pay, isn't he? 16:49.000 --> 16:50.000 Oh. 16:50.000 --> 16:51.000 Fumferklagget. 16:51.000 --> 16:52.000 Sure. 16:52.000 --> 16:54.000 Don't see me in the election. 16:54.000 --> 16:56.000 You later! 16:56.000 --> 16:58.000 Larry? 16:58.000 --> 16:59.000 Larry? 16:59.000 --> 17:00.000 Larry! 17:00.000 --> 17:01.000 Fumferklagget. 17:01.000 --> 17:02.000 Fumferklagget for Senator. 17:02.000 --> 17:03.000 So, uh, some stuff to think about there, huh? 17:03.000 --> 17:14.000 Isn't it interesting how the message changes with the tone of voice and with the music, 17:14.000 --> 17:19.000 thanks to WGBH, soon to have their own podcasting feed of these morning stories up, I'm sure. 17:19.000 --> 17:20.000 And I can't wait because I love them. 17:20.000 --> 17:24.000 This is great on my walk during the day. 17:24.000 --> 17:26.000 I don't really have a commute these days. 17:26.000 --> 17:28.000 Once a week I go up to Amsterdam, going up tomorrow, by the way. 17:28.000 --> 17:30.000 So I get to catch up on stuff. 17:30.000 --> 17:33.000 But I love having that stuck in my playlist. 17:33.000 --> 17:35.000 Okay, let's see. 17:35.000 --> 17:37.000 Right. 17:37.000 --> 17:46.000 Here's something that I heard Dave cut a coffee note about an interview that he did with... 17:46.500 --> 17:53.500 with Yahoo or about Yahoo, about Yahoo's new RSS service. 17:53.500 --> 17:58.500 And he says in the beginning of this blog post, and I have it queued up to something, honestly, 17:58.500 --> 18:01.500 I can't quite remember what I have it queued up to. 18:01.500 --> 18:03.500 And we'll find out in a second. 18:03.500 --> 18:06.500 But in the beginning of this blog post, or even on his web blog, 18:06.500 --> 18:09.500 linking to the podcast, Dave said, you know, 18:09.500 --> 18:12.500 I just did an interview with Yahoo, and I thought, you know, 18:12.500 --> 18:15.500 I really want to get my thoughts out there about what I was saying. 18:15.500 --> 18:18.500 And I encourage you to listen to it because there's some important stuff 18:18.500 --> 18:20.500 as it pertains even to podcasting. 18:20.500 --> 18:24.500 You know, they're going to come trying to leech off of this stuff as well. 18:24.500 --> 18:28.500 And he said, you know, I want to get my thoughts out there. 18:28.500 --> 18:31.500 And what he really should have done is he should have recorded the interview 18:31.500 --> 18:34.500 while the interviewer was interviewing. 18:34.500 --> 18:36.500 I want to talk about that for a second. 18:36.500 --> 18:39.500 But first let's just see what I had queued up here from Dave Weiner's 18:39.500 --> 18:42.500 coffee notes for the 27. 18:42.500 --> 18:44.500 This icon on your site. 18:44.500 --> 18:47.500 Do they know who I am? I mean... 18:48.000 --> 18:50.000 Why would I want to do that? 18:50.000 --> 18:53.000 I mean, why would I want to tell my readers that... 18:54.000 --> 18:58.000 They should favor this one aggregator over all the other aggregators. 18:58.000 --> 19:03.000 Why would I do that before I would put an icon on my site that sent them to Net Newswire 19:03.000 --> 19:12.000 or to even to, I would rather send them to Ampheddesk or, you know, or, you know, or 19:12.000 --> 19:13.000 Feedster or. 19:13.000 --> 19:16.000 So, I'm not quite sure why I queued that up. 19:16.000 --> 19:20.000 That doesn't really make sense in the whole story, but that's kind of, that did 19:20.000 --> 19:36.000 give you an impression of what, you know, the tone of voice that Dave was using and he recorded that at night and listen to that because you'll like it and what he's talking about and it's good to understand what Yahoo was doing and actually how opportunistic they're being right now and the stuff that we've been building. 19:36.000 --> 19:40.000 But I wanted to touch back on what Dave said at the beginning of his podcast. 19:40.000 --> 19:44.000 He says, you know, I should have recorded that interview and I think I've said this before. 19:44.000 --> 19:48.000 I don't know if I wrote it on my web blog or if it wasn't in a source code. 19:48.000 --> 19:53.000 I mean, this stuff is like, you know, life and source code and trade secrets, all kinds of runs. 19:53.000 --> 19:54.000 It runs together. 19:54.000 --> 19:55.000 I don't know what who else. 19:55.500 --> 20:02.500 to what anymore. But I've done this successfully and I encourage anybody who's listening to 20:02.500 --> 20:09.500 this show who is interviewed by the media and most likely that will happen by a telephone. 20:09.500 --> 20:13.500 And I know that there are many of you who have been interviewed or are being interviewed 20:13.500 --> 20:17.500 and I know how disappointed you probably have been certainly after the first interview 20:17.500 --> 20:21.500 that you do, what really shows up in print. And I get interviewed all the time, me and 20:21.500 --> 20:25.500 my wife and I are well known in the Netherlands, very well known. 20:25.500 --> 20:33.500 So for some reason we're medium magnets here, go figure. But I've learned that if you say 20:33.500 --> 20:37.500 to a journalist who wants to interview you, usually for print publication, because these 20:37.500 --> 20:42.500 are quote the most serious, right, that if you say, okay, you know, that's fine, but 20:42.500 --> 20:46.500 I also want to record the interview and I want to reserve the right to put that 20:46.500 --> 20:53.500 raw data out there on the internet. And they can't really object because nine times 20:53.500 --> 20:56.500 out of 10, the interviewer will be recording the conversation. 20:57.000 --> 21:01.000 conversation, even when they do a phone interview, they'll record the conversation. 21:01.000 --> 21:04.000 So if they have the right to do that, so should you. 21:04.000 --> 21:08.000 And you know what, they're so bold over by the question that they're like, well, okay. 21:08.000 --> 21:12.000 They say, but I want to have the right to put that source code on the internet. 21:12.000 --> 21:16.000 And no one has rejected me so far, and I also have never put the source code of the 21:16.000 --> 21:20.000 interview on the internet because I haven't, there was no need to. 21:20.000 --> 21:24.000 But boy, do they really drill down on their facts and do their checking. 21:24.000 --> 21:29.000 And right now, if you don't have a recording device, get to Skype. 21:29.000 --> 21:33.000 You call the interview, you call him or her. 21:33.000 --> 21:36.000 Record it with wiretap or whatever and just keep it there. 21:36.000 --> 21:37.000 Just keep it safe. 21:37.000 --> 21:39.000 If you don't like the interview. 21:40.500 --> 21:41.500 This guy's full of shit. 21:41.500 --> 21:42.500 And this is exactly what I said. 21:42.500 --> 21:43.500 This was his question. 21:43.500 --> 21:45.500 This is the context. 21:45.500 --> 21:47.500 And you can check out the source code right here. 21:47.500 --> 21:51.500 So that's something that can work very successfully. 21:51.500 --> 21:53.500 And I suggest you give it a try. 21:53.500 --> 21:58.500 And in fact, maybe someone will set up 21:58.500 --> 22:01.500 a podcast feed of interviews that way. 22:01.500 --> 22:02.500 Who knows? 22:02.500 --> 22:03.500 Who knows what will happen? 22:03.500 --> 22:06.500 If I were a journalist and I was getting paid for it, 22:06.500 --> 22:10.500 I think I would want to have my source codes made available 22:10.500 --> 22:12.500 so that people could fact check me. 22:12.500 --> 22:13.500 Geez, what a great idea. 22:13.500 --> 22:14.500 You write something in a magazine. 22:14.500 --> 22:16.500 We can't fact check you with links or anything. 22:16.500 --> 22:18.500 But if you've interviewed somebody, 22:18.500 --> 22:20.500 put up the sound file of the interview that you did 22:20.500 --> 22:22.500 so we can make our own decisions. 22:22.500 --> 22:23.500 I guarantee you, I'm going to certainly 22:25.500 --> 22:27.500 that source code to go to that source file. 22:28.500 --> 22:30.500 Okay, we have, okay, all right, 22:30.500 --> 22:32.500 let's talk about money for a second. 22:33.500 --> 22:36.500 Because I heard, I remember we talked yesterday 22:36.500 --> 22:38.500 about Dave Slusher who was wondering 22:38.500 --> 22:40.500 should he take ads for his weblog. 22:40.500 --> 22:43.500 And I see where all this is going is, 22:43.500 --> 22:44.500 it's totally like weblogs. 22:44.500 --> 22:45.500 There's really no difference. 22:45.500 --> 22:48.500 We're using the same protocols to distribute it 22:48.500 --> 22:49.500 and to aggregate it. 22:49.500 --> 22:51.500 And so that's all webloggy. 22:51.500 --> 22:53.500 And it's total freedom of speech. 22:53.500 --> 22:54.500 You can do whatever you want. 22:55.500 --> 22:56.500 Do it whenever you want. 22:57.500 --> 23:00.500 It's a little different to create the content 23:00.500 --> 23:02.500 than just using a web browser or a text editor 23:02.500 --> 23:05.500 or a blogging client, just writing words 23:05.500 --> 23:08.500 and sticking in the occasional image source 23:08.500 --> 23:09.500 or something to a link. 23:11.500 --> 23:13.500 You have to figure out how to record something. 23:13.500 --> 23:14.500 You have to wanna record it. 23:14.500 --> 23:15.500 So it's not for everyone. 23:15.500 --> 23:17.500 Just like weblogging is not for everyone. 23:17.500 --> 23:19.500 But there is a difference in the way 23:19.500 --> 23:24.500 you experience a podcast versus a weblog. 23:24.500 --> 23:26.500 For a weblog, first of all you have to... 23:27.000 --> 23:32.000 to be in front of a computer. And I know you can be on a pocket PC and whatever, but you're 23:32.000 --> 23:35.000 making a concerted effort to read something. When you're reading something, you pretty much 23:35.000 --> 23:42.000 have to focus on that, which is why banner ads are so irritating. And I think that your 23:42.000 --> 23:46.000 mind wraps around that. I don't see banners anymore. I just don't see them. My mind 23:48.000 --> 23:53.000 a banner dimension size blob. I'm not just not going to look at that. That's why I think 23:53.000 --> 23:57.000 the other day when Dave and I were looking for the obvious login to that registration 23:57.000 --> 24:05.000 site for the Free World Dialup, the login button was a big oblong purple blob. It looked 24:05.000 --> 24:08.000 like a banner. I think Dave's mind parsed that out. Mine does. 24:08.000 --> 24:12.000 We've done that experiment recently. I think it's been going around the net a couple 24:12.000 --> 24:17.000 times where it's a total dyslexic paragraph, but the first and the last letter are 24:17.000 --> 24:20.000 in the correct spot as the correct letter and you can read it anyway even though 24:20.000 --> 24:26.000 it's all garbled. That's because of pattern recognition. So you know that was 24:26.000 --> 24:31.000 so far with the business model for web pages and web blogs and click-throughs 24:31.000 --> 24:36.000 and all that. You have to sit in front of the computer. You have to make that effort. 24:36.000 --> 24:42.000 Maybe you're at work so it's on someone else's time but still it's 24:43.500 --> 24:45.500 You're relaxing. 24:45.500 --> 24:48.500 You're in the obvious place where you can do only one of three things. 24:48.500 --> 24:49.500 You're in the car. 24:49.500 --> 24:50.500 You can do nothing. 24:50.500 --> 24:52.500 You can listen to the radio or you can talk on the telephone. 24:52.500 --> 24:55.500 Or of course you could talk to someone else who's with you in the car. 24:57.000 --> 25:01.000 You usually turn to radio may be interrupted by the occasional 25:03.000 --> 25:08.000 And that's the space, oops, use the space word, but it is literally the space that we're 25:08.000 --> 25:09.000 coming into. 25:09.000 --> 25:10.000 And your commute may be different. 25:10.000 --> 25:12.000 It may be with a different type of vehicle. 25:12.000 --> 25:13.000 You may not commute. 25:13.000 --> 25:15.000 You may just take a daily walk. 25:15.000 --> 25:19.000 Certainly there's a point in your day where you normally listen to radio, you're going 25:19.000 --> 25:22.000 to flip on your podcast and you're going to get the stuff that you want and it's 25:22.000 --> 25:24.000 going to be in the order that you want. 25:24.000 --> 25:26.000 And it doesn't take a concerted effort. 25:26.000 --> 25:29.000 In fact, you're in a very relaxed mode. 25:30.000 --> 25:36.000 My belief is that traditional commercials will happen. 25:36.000 --> 25:42.000 I think that right now I have about 1500 subscribers to the daily source code. 25:42.000 --> 25:43.000 That's not a big number. 25:43.000 --> 25:49.000 And if I went to Johnson and Johnson and said, hey, I'm going to sell your floor wax, these 25:49.000 --> 25:54.000 1500 people, they're going to say, very interesting, Adam, hey, by the way, can I have your autograph? 25:54.000 --> 25:56.000 My mom used to love watching on MTV. 25:56.000 --> 25:58.000 So that's not going to fly. 25:59.000 --> 26:03.000 Let me just take a very simple example here. 26:03.000 --> 26:04.000 If I went to a conference. 26:04.500 --> 26:09.500 organizer and I said, you know, you're making a conference and you charge people six, not 26:09.500 --> 26:13.500 that I'm supporting conferences, etc., but just as an example. 26:13.500 --> 26:15.500 I like the BloggerCon model myself. 26:15.500 --> 26:23.500 But you're going to charge people three or $400 a pop to get into this conference and 26:23.500 --> 26:29.500 you know, I think you should advertise because I have 1500 people of which many are in 26:29.500 --> 26:30.500 the tech industry. 26:30.500 --> 26:32.500 Many will be in the neighborhood of your conference. 26:32.500 --> 26:35.500 Many will be interested in your conference and we know that they have 26:35.500 --> 26:39.500 money because they have an iPod or something like it and a computer and 26:39.500 --> 26:42.500 some type of broadband connection or access to one. 26:42.500 --> 26:48.500 This is a desirable demographic and I want you to pay me, I don't know, $5 a week 26:48.500 --> 26:50.500 or $500 a week. 26:50.500 --> 26:53.500 Let's say it's $500 a week and I can convince two people or three people 26:53.500 --> 26:58.500 a day to go to this conference because of this paid advertisement. 26:58.500 --> 27:00.500 That's worth it. 27:00.500 --> 27:01.500 They just made money. 27:01.500 --> 27:04.500 So it's the niche narrow casting. 27:04.500 --> 27:05.500 Now, of course, everyone's... 27:06.000 --> 27:08.000 Croning saying, oh commercial commercial 27:09.000 --> 27:15.000 Advertisement, we'll just skip past it. Yeah, if it's fucking boring you will this is something that Dave has been saying for a long time 27:15.000 --> 27:17.000 Excuse me 27:18.000 --> 27:21.000 Dave has been saying for a long time, make the commercials. 27:21.000 --> 27:22.000 Interesting. 27:22.000 --> 27:23.000 Make it more interesting. 27:23.000 --> 27:24.000 We'll listen to them. 27:24.000 --> 27:25.000 We'll buy products. 27:25.000 --> 27:26.000 Of course we will. 27:26.000 --> 27:27.000 Just make it more interesting. 27:27.000 --> 27:31.000 We're so used to this, you know, the way you have to spit stuff on the screen and 27:31.000 --> 27:32.000 big letters and yell, you know. 27:37.500 --> 27:42.500 That's the old way of doing things and it's just not that valuable anymore. 27:42.500 --> 27:49.500 It's decreasing in value, I believe, unless you're in a commoditized product. 27:49.500 --> 27:54.500 The scrappy thing is that we're using this commoditized way of selling things to elect 27:54.500 --> 27:58.500 a president, but that's a different conversation and discussion altogether. 27:58.500 --> 28:03.500 So how do you make these commercials better? 28:03.500 --> 28:04.500 More interesting. 28:04.500 --> 28:05.500 I'm not sure. 28:05.500 --> 28:08.500 I think what's very important is you have to know that you're being advertised to or 28:08.500 --> 28:11.500 being marketed to. 28:11.500 --> 28:14.500 And I always liked the way Howard Stern used to do the Snapple commercials. 28:14.500 --> 28:19.500 He made it interesting by bringing in naked women and doing stupid games. 28:19.500 --> 28:24.500 Whether you like that or not, that was a part of his show and his audience like that. 28:24.500 --> 28:27.500 And so then he'd say, I think Snapple's the best drink in the world. 28:27.500 --> 28:29.500 And he probably did. 28:29.500 --> 28:31.500 He might not have, but then he probably would have said, it's not the best drink, 28:31.500 --> 28:34.500 but look, we got great chicks so buy this. 28:35.500 --> 28:37.500 And then he basically made a deal with the listeners all the time. 28:37.500 --> 28:38.500 He would say, go and buy. 28:39.000 --> 28:43.000 buy our sponsors' products, please, keep the show on the air. 28:43.000 --> 28:48.000 So he's very honest about it, and that honesty I think will carry over and will work in this way. 28:48.000 --> 28:55.000 So as an example, how it could work, I don't think this is particularly a new and interesting commercial, 28:55.000 --> 29:01.000 but it's funny. It's funny because I know that Doug Kay, who sent it to me, who said, 29:01.000 --> 29:06.000 the devil made me do it. I know that he meant it in jest. The echo chamber you're about to hear, 29:06.000 --> 29:12.000 it's funny. Are we advertising a speedway or a conference here? There's an actual advertiser 29:12.000 --> 29:16.000 in this that I'm about to play for you. 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That's great. 29:59.000 --> 30:02.000 You know, and that was a commercial. It didn't suck. You didn't skip past it. 30:02.000 --> 30:05.000 I know you didn't. You wanted to hear it. It'll be only interesting one time. 30:05.000 --> 30:08.000 You're not going to listen to the next commercial sounds just like that, 30:08.000 --> 30:12.000 but you were marketed to. You heard that Yahoo! was sponsoring the Geek Fest. 30:12.000 --> 30:14.000 And the great thing about this, if you didn't hear it, 30:16.000 --> 30:19.000 rewind and you got it. So, 30:22.000 --> 30:27.000 watch out. I think there's something here. And again, and I know that people picked up on it. 30:27.000 --> 30:33.000 NAB, they're going to show up pretty soon. They're going to have some stuff to say. I know it. 30:33.000 --> 30:38.000 Okay, let's play something from the blog digger media feed. This is just so weird. 30:38.000 --> 30:43.000 I don't know what it is or where it came from, but, you know, and I think if I was listening to it, 30:43.000 --> 30:47.000 I might even skip over it. So, I'll tell you how long it is. 30:46.500 --> 30:53.500 is in case you want to. Three minutes and thirty seconds. It came in as only called Track 17, 30:53.500 --> 30:56.500 which is of course totally useless so I don't know where it came from. It sounds like part of 30:56.500 --> 31:02.500 it might be from a movie, maybe it is a movie. I've titled it, you know, Just Not Enough Cowbell. 31:03.500 --> 31:07.500 And it sounds like Christopher Walken's in some of it. But listen to it and you know, 31:07.500 --> 31:10.500 it's just something different, something you won't hear anywhere else but on the source code. 31:10.500 --> 31:15.500 Don't fear the reap, take one, roll. Alright, one, two, three, four. 31:31.500 --> 31:33.500 Bruce, could you come in here for a second please? 31:33.500 --> 31:35.500 Guys, what's the deal? 31:35.500 --> 31:37.500 Are you sure that was sounding okay? 31:37.500 --> 31:39.500 I'll be honest, fellas, it was sounding great, but... 31:40.500 --> 31:42.500 I could have used a little more cowbell. 31:44.500 --> 31:48.500 Oh, it just hit me. This is Saturday Night Live. That's what it's for. 31:58.500 --> 32:05.500 I got to have more Cabra! 32:14.500 --> 32:15.500 I got to have more... 32:16.500 --> 32:18.500 I could've used a little more cowbell. 32:20.500 --> 32:22.500 You're gonna want that cowbell! 32:23.750 --> 33:01.250 [ Music ] 33:09.000 --> 33:11.000 Coward! 33:17.000 --> 33:19.000 Guess what? 33:19.000 --> 33:21.000 I got a fever! 33:21.000 --> 33:24.000 And the only prescription is more cowards! 33:27.000 --> 33:29.000 I gotta have more cowards! 33:31.250 --> 33:55.500 [ Music ] 33:55.500 --> 34:02.500 The last time I checked we have a whole lot of songs that feature the Kalvass. 34:04.500 --> 34:16.500 I guess I'm locked out. 34:24.000 --> 34:26.000 Yes, what? 34:26.000 --> 34:28.000 I can't believe it! 34:28.000 --> 34:31.000 And the only question is what's happening? 34:36.000 --> 34:42.000 So I guess that was a Saturday Night Live skit about the importance of cowbell and rock and roll. 34:42.000 --> 34:47.000 And it just hit me while I was listening to that and I didn't have the headphones on before. 34:47.000 --> 34:51.000 And now I'm like, oh yeah, okay, it sounds like Saturday Night Live. 34:51.000 --> 34:57.000 So interesting how I haven't seen the skit but I can only imagine how fucked up Christopher Walken would look doing that. 34:57.000 --> 35:03.000 He's probably some asshole record producer or some role that he would just fit perfectly so good at that. 35:03.000 --> 35:10.000 See, while that was playing I was thinking of something else which I can't come up with right now. 35:10.000 --> 35:13.000 Okay, then I'm going to play two more bits for you. 35:13.000 --> 35:22.000 This first one is from a new podcast called Northwestern Noise. 35:22.000 --> 35:25.000 And Northwestern Noise... 35:25.500 --> 35:30.500 has, well, it's self-explanatory, but it's brand new and if you live in the northwestern region, 35:30.500 --> 35:34.500 which I've learned is Seattle and Oregon, then this might be of interest for you because 35:34.500 --> 35:39.500 there's some good local news for the northwestern region. 35:42.000 --> 35:50.000 If anybody out there isn't familiar with the Northwest, I'm sorry, I plead ignorance. 35:50.000 --> 35:57.000 Miacopa, the Northwest, is in the United States of America, encompassing the states of Oregon 35:57.000 --> 35:59.000 and Washington. 35:59.000 --> 36:03.000 I primarily have the called Oregon home. 36:03.000 --> 36:08.000 My these past 23 years, I had a quick stint in Miami. 36:08.000 --> 36:13.000 I have some interesting stories to tell you from Miami to bring up. 36:13.000 --> 36:17.000 And I also have a musician, an artist that I won't play. 36:17.000 --> 36:20.000 Hold on a second, where's the news part? I thought I had to cut out. 36:20.000 --> 36:24.000 That's not what I wanted you to hear. Hold on. 36:24.000 --> 36:26.000 Who hasn't? 36:26.000 --> 36:28.000 I played some short excerpts. 36:28.000 --> 36:30.000 I'll cut out. 36:30.000 --> 36:36.000 Talk real quick about if you have a blog, this is so horrible. 36:36.000 --> 36:38.000 This is made by Hugo. 36:38.000 --> 36:40.000 He can do anything. 36:40.000 --> 36:42.000 And they do Beaverton. 36:43.500 --> 36:49.500 Any programs these pot well I feel I feel shitty now because wait maybe it's 36:50.500 --> 36:51.500 Maybe it's after this 36:51.500 --> 36:59.500 No, we have that bit. What happened to his northwest news yet to be born. Okay. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go 36:59.500 --> 37:01.500 Here we go still in womb 37:03.500 --> 37:07.500 Let me just rewind a little bit more because this is here's going into some news specific 37:09.000 --> 37:13.000 I got messed up. Hey, I'm doing this without a producer. I'm not used to that. 37:13.000 --> 37:15.000 You've never been there and you've never visited. 37:15.000 --> 37:17.000 Okay, he's going to talk about him out, same hell. 37:18.000 --> 37:23.000 Okay, here we go with Northwestern noise and the news. 37:23.000 --> 37:33.000 1364 feet. That's amazing. Wiped out everything. All life for, I don't know, a large radius. 37:33.000 --> 37:39.000 And if you've never been there and you've never visited Mount St. Helens, it's in Washington. 37:39.000 --> 37:46.000 I forgot to mention that, sorry. If you haven't visited it, you should, but stay away right now because of these minor eruptions. 37:46.000 --> 37:53.000 But at the time, which is interesting, was I wasn't even born yet. I was still in womb, yet to be born. 37:53.000 --> 38:07.000 But I was, so I didn't get to see massive explosion and I guess I was unfortunate enough to miss the ash that covered the region like snow. 38:07.000 --> 38:13.000 Numerous people died because of the event. 38:13.000 --> 38:19.000 So it was very cataclysmic. 38:19.500 --> 38:21.500 So it's still six in the mind of everybody here in the Northwest. 38:21.500 --> 38:22.500 We all remember it if we were alive. 38:23.500 --> 38:26.500 And so enough with the Mount St. Helens. 38:26.500 --> 38:27.500 Let's hope it doesn't explode. 38:28.500 --> 38:29.500 Okay. 38:29.500 --> 38:31.500 Well, that's a good thought for the day. 38:31.500 --> 38:32.500 Let's definitely hope it doesn't explode. 38:33.500 --> 38:37.500 But, uh, so I missed it up there on the queue, but he really went into the whole 38:37.500 --> 38:40.500 story about Mount St. Helens and give some background on it. 38:40.500 --> 38:43.500 And I wouldn't have known this, you know, and so that apparently there's 38:43.500 --> 38:46.500 been some minor earthquakes that have been registered and they're a little 38:46.500 --> 38:51.500 bit worried about a repeat of what happened 25 years ago, which I do remember 38:51.500 --> 38:54.500 because I was, I was 15. 38:55.500 --> 39:00.500 So I do remember I was doing a lot of other things when I was 15, but was it 39:00.500 --> 39:00.500 cataclysmic? 39:00.500 --> 39:01.500 I can't really remember. 39:01.500 --> 39:06.500 I can't really remember if it was cataclysmic or how bad it was. 39:06.500 --> 39:09.500 It just, it's, it's even too far back for me. 39:09.500 --> 39:13.500 I'm sure some, you know, if someone witnessed that and remembers that, you 39:13.500 --> 39:18.500 know, record that, record that in a, in an mp3 file and point it to me or email it to 39:18.500 --> 39:20.500 me, don't email it, mac.com still isn't working. 39:21.000 --> 39:28.000 but you know I'll find it somehow I'll aggregate it I hope and I wanted to leave 39:28.000 --> 39:32.000 you with one last bid here for today what are we we're 40 minutes into it 39:32.000 --> 39:36.000 digging this I still haven't taken my walk around and let's take a couple of 39:36.000 --> 39:40.000 podcasts this is the new tech aura show tech aura.com and with little shout out 39:40.000 --> 39:44.000 to me and played a song for me some good hillbilly shit-kicking music but 39:44.000 --> 39:48.000 I'm gonna let him set it up first Dave and Adam since we were talking about 39:48.000 --> 39:53.000 also the fact that I've been working this you know solidify this system for 39:53.000 --> 39:57.000 himself yeah my head put out another trade secrets put out another source quote 39:57.000 --> 40:04.000 over the weekend and just it's just a kind of a funny little note Adam I have 40:04.000 --> 40:08.000 one question for you how in the live in hell can you smoke as many bowls as 40:08.000 --> 40:12.000 you do during a show especially for as long as you're up every day I mean I 40:12.000 --> 40:15.000 would be going comatose maybe that's what's happening in the middle that you 40:15.000 --> 40:21.000 go comatose. Oh dude dude dude I am comatose. Didn't you hear me cue up that last 40:21.000 --> 40:24.000 bid? I am comatose. 40:22.500 --> 40:27.500 those hours but it's so funny if you listen really really close when Dave 40:27.500 --> 40:33.500 like in a trade secret when Dave is going off on his little diatrous sorry 40:33.500 --> 40:38.500 Dave you you do like to talk when he gets going and Adam's sitting there 40:38.500 --> 40:42.500 listening and you can hear the you know the lighter going off in the background 40:42.500 --> 40:47.500 I just think that's absolutely hilarious but so on my first music segue I've 40:47.500 --> 40:54.500 got a little dedication actually this is this is a great band love them to death 40:54.500 --> 40:59.500 and I think this one is going out to Adam Curry this this one's for you dude 41:03.750 --> 43:16.250 [ Music ] 43:24.000 --> 43:31.000 Hellcat's doing I like whiskey. Actually that was a demo song so the quality was a demo tape so the quality of that wasn't that great 43:31.000 --> 43:38.000 But awesome dude. Thank you very much for that and isn't it beautiful the way, you know, you can make a recording of 43:38.000 --> 43:44.000 An mp3 and you just crank up the volume and it comes into my mp3 player and it's the same quality 43:45.000 --> 43:51.000 Fantastic, even though that was a demo clearly. It was awesome. Thank you. I appreciate that what a beautiful gift to receive 43:51.000 --> 43:55.000 And I just wanted to mention a couple things briefly about the iPod or developers list 43:55.000 --> 44:00.000 We still got some great momentum going with developers and users all over the place 44:00.000 --> 44:06.000 There are a couple of off-list conversations, which is all good and I threw a question out there. I said look 44:06.000 --> 44:14.000 Where are we at with Windows and I got an answer back and probably more but as I've mentioned my email is just not working 44:14.000 --> 44:21.000 Apparently so I don't know if more has come back but there are two Windows clients that really seem to have the installation and 44:21.000 --> 44:24.000 The 44:25.500 --> 44:31.500 I'm going to start making some decisions on what we're going to promote here because I 44:31.500 --> 44:34.500 want to put on the homepage for iPodder.org. 44:34.500 --> 44:40.500 I basically want to have download and I want to have Mac which will more than likely be 44:40.500 --> 44:42.500 iPod or X. 44:42.500 --> 44:48.500 Underneath that I want to put Windows with iTunes, Windows with media player and I want 44:48.500 --> 44:54.500 to have one for each and then for other systems Linux, Pocket PC I think we have 44:54.500 --> 45:00.500 and then I'll have links to other clients because I think there's a market here you 45:00.500 --> 45:05.500 know and I don't want anyone to be disappointed. 45:05.500 --> 45:08.500 I know a lot of people have given up the development of their scripts and saying 45:08.500 --> 45:11.500 I know so I've put up my last changes I'm switching to this. 45:13.500 --> 45:23.500 But I know that there's one or two projects out there that probably haven't gotten the attention they deserve just because I'm confused at this point about how much is going on and how many different projects there are. 45:23.500 --> 45:29.500 And please just, you know, keep hammering me if I haven't put a link to your, your download page or whatever. 45:29.500 --> 45:32.500 And I've put a couple more up today. 45:32.500 --> 45:42.500 But there's a market here. There's a definite, definite market for developing iPod or functionality because it's, you know, you're talking about the organization and how stuff runs. 45:42.500 --> 45:53.500 And when it runs and file management, and you're going to have users that in the exact same way as we did this together, they're going to want to talk with you and have you create something better. 45:53.500 --> 45:56.500 And they're going to pay for it. They will. You know, it does work. 45:56.500 --> 45:59.500 I pay for software all the time, not the only one. Clearly. 45:59.500 --> 46:08.500 There are companies and small, you know, just developers by themselves who take PayPal payments for software they're making. 46:08.500 --> 46:14.500 And there is a, there's totally a market for that. And I'll support, you know, anything. Just let me know what you do. 46:15.000 --> 46:20.000 doing and I'll point to it and let's make something out of this industry. 46:20.000 --> 46:27.000 Same goes for, and no one has shown up for this yet except for the Audio Hijack Pro guys, 46:27.000 --> 46:28.000 for how we're doing this. 46:28.000 --> 46:30.000 I'm using five different applications. 46:30.000 --> 46:33.000 I think there's an opportunity there and it's going to be big. 46:33.000 --> 46:35.000 This is really going to be big. 46:35.000 --> 46:39.000 So looking forward to getting that information out there so we can get more of our Windows 46:43.500 --> 46:49.500 proud and I'm going to leave it at that for today with the source codes for Tuesday, September 46:49.500 --> 46:54.500 28th. 46:54.500 --> 46:58.500 As always if you want to respond drop me an email, hopefully it will get here eventually 46:58.500 --> 47:04.500 at adamantcurry.com or you can check out my weblog we've become a there. 47:04.500 --> 47:10.500 The URL is live.curry.com. 47:10.500 --> 47:14.500 All the archives and the latest shows can be found at dailysourcecode.com 47:18.000 --> 47:22.000 podcast enabled for the iPodder. It's dailysourcecode.com 47:22.000 --> 47:26.000 slash rss.xml. Hey, I'll talk to you tomorrow, everybody. Take care. Bye.