WEBVTT 00:10.500 --> 00:13.500 Well, hi everybody! 00:19.500 --> 00:22.500 Welcome to Amsterdam where the show is originating from today. 00:22.500 --> 00:26.500 I am at what we call the bunker bringing you your daily source code. 00:26.500 --> 00:32.500 Got a lot of stuff lined up for you today. 00:32.500 --> 00:38.500 First of all, the reason I'm in Amsterdam is because I have a meeting tonight at 8 o'clock 00:38.500 --> 00:39.500 with a couple of friends. 00:39.500 --> 00:43.500 We've been working on a TV show that we've been testing out on the net. 00:43.500 --> 00:51.500 We've been just using Final Cut Pro and all the typical weblogger type material and tools 00:51.500 --> 00:52.500 to make this television show. 00:52.500 --> 00:57.500 We're discussing making a pilot and we're doing that tonight. 00:57.500 --> 01:02.500 So it was easier for me to come up here and stay overnight and then go back tomorrow. 01:02.500 --> 01:06.500 And tomorrow I have an interesting meeting with a publisher here in the Netherlands. 01:09.000 --> 01:14.000 the iPod platform and audiobooks which is there's no audiobook culture here at all 01:14.000 --> 01:19.000 no one has really ever ever successfully gotten that to fly here so that's the 01:19.000 --> 01:23.000 reason I'm here but so you also hear some some of the sounds of the Street of 01:23.000 --> 01:28.000 Amsterdam I'm in our canal house which is right overlooking the canal and so 01:28.000 --> 01:33.000 there's all kinds of traffic boats and you know by the time the music dies 01:33.000 --> 01:36.000 off you might be able to hear some stuff. Got CNN going on here on the 01:37.000 --> 01:42.000 on the left I see testimonial on Capitol Hill about the Afghan election 01:42.000 --> 01:49.000 okay so we've got all the multimedia stuff rocking and rolling and then let's see 01:49.000 --> 01:53.000 on the health side not too good the news today 01:54.000 --> 02:00.000 personal with the family, although the extended family, first of all, tomorrow we 02:00.000 --> 02:05.000 have to put one of our dogs down, Chrissy, who is a Maltese. We've had her for 02:05.000 --> 02:13.000 15 years. Life expectancy of the Maltese is usually no more than 12 or 13, yeah, 02:13.000 --> 02:21.000 at the max 12 or 13 years. And in the past year she's really, yeah, she's 02:21.000 --> 02:27.000 really deteriorating. Her health is deteriorating and she's now deaf and 02:27.000 --> 02:33.000 blind and when she's awake she cries a lot and so it's just time. It's just 02:33.000 --> 02:38.000 time. So that's sad. So I had to say goodbye to her today when I left. And 02:38.000 --> 02:43.000 Patricia called me. She called me earlier. One of the six black baby swans that we 02:43.000 --> 02:46.000 have was either attacked or did 02:51.000 --> 02:56.000 but she had to fish it out of the water and it was still breathing and still alive but 02:56.000 --> 02:59.000 not doing too much. 02:59.000 --> 03:03.000 And so she'll give me a status report on that, I haven't heard anything yet. 03:03.000 --> 03:05.000 But that's a bummer. 03:05.000 --> 03:09.000 And quite honestly, this is the first year that we've actually had all six live to 03:09.000 --> 03:10.000 this stage. 03:10.000 --> 03:10.000 Usually, it's a bummer. 03:12.000 --> 03:18.000 get just eaten up when they're small, you know, either by fish in the water, believe it or 03:18.000 --> 03:20.000 not, or other prey that's just roaming the premises. 03:20.000 --> 03:21.000 Yeah, it's nature. 03:21.000 --> 03:26.000 And nature is so hard, man, because what Patricia did is she then got the mom and the dad, 03:26.000 --> 03:30.000 who we call Fred and Ginger, and she, because they walk with her and they hang out with 03:30.000 --> 03:31.000 her all the time. 03:31.000 --> 03:33.000 So she lured him over to the baby and she... 03:36.000 --> 03:45.000 walk right past totally ignoring it. So that's the tough, tough way that nature is. And then finally 03:45.000 --> 03:53.000 on the on the health on the health topic, my mac is sick. It really is. And I don't think it's good. 03:53.000 --> 03:57.000 And it's giving me all the signals that it's really just not feeling well. 03:59.000 --> 04:05.000 And I wanted to blog about this, but it's so difficult really to explain, you know, 04:05.000 --> 04:09.000 when just little minute things are going wrong. And it all started, of course, when we started doing 04:09.000 --> 04:17.000 this this audio recording and podcasting and downloading gigabytes of files or somewhere 04:17.000 --> 04:21.000 something something's hosed. I'm just not sure what it is. Now I've looked around at the 04:21.000 --> 04:29.000 Mac health forums. I've Googled this, of course. Here are the symptoms. Every once in a while, 04:30.000 --> 04:34.000 the machine may freeze up for just a second or two. That happens. But that doesn't seem to be 04:34.000 --> 04:37.000 that related, although I'm sure it is somewhere deep down. But that 04:37.500 --> 04:38.500 That's not when the problems start. 04:38.500 --> 04:43.500 But eventually after I've been using my Mac, no matter what 04:43.500 --> 04:48.500 I'm doing, then it seems like the Finder will become useless. 04:48.500 --> 04:54.500 In fact, you can't launch any application sometimes, or ones 04:54.500 --> 04:55.500 that are clearly on your screen. 04:55.500 --> 04:57.500 You can't activate. 04:57.500 --> 05:00.500 And then, for instance, I can't activate Safari, but I 05:00.500 --> 05:03.500 will be able to log out or request a log out or request 05:03.500 --> 05:03.500 a restart. 05:03.500 --> 05:06.500 But then I can't actually activate the restart 05:06.500 --> 05:09.500 window and have to wait in 120 seconds before it 05:09.500 --> 05:10.500 does it automatically. 05:10.500 --> 05:12.500 So there's something with the Finder. 05:12.500 --> 05:16.500 I also thought something with the Dock maybe. 05:16.500 --> 05:17.500 So I trashed Plist files. 05:17.500 --> 05:21.500 I got Cache Cleaner and deleted all the files. 05:25.500 --> 05:32.500 Even though I'm sure I deselected delete browser caches, virtual memory, swap files, everything's 05:32.500 --> 05:34.500 gone so that's all cool. 05:34.500 --> 05:38.500 I ran several set permissions programs, that's not it. 05:38.500 --> 05:40.500 Now here's another one of the symptoms. 05:40.500 --> 05:50.500 Software update has been trying to install the Java 1.4.2 and I know there's been issues 05:50.500 --> 05:51.500 with that. 05:51.500 --> 05:57.500 Whenever I say install, it pops up once every other day to install this update and I'll 05:57.500 --> 05:58.500 click the install button. 05:58.500 --> 06:00.500 It'll go gray for a couple of seconds. 06:00.500 --> 06:03.500 It'll come back blue and then whenever I click it, it goes gray and comes blue. 06:06.000 --> 06:13.000 problem. And I've gone through just about everything I could find every tip on that. 06:13.000 --> 06:17.000 Even though I can download an application and drag it into my applications folder and fire 06:17.000 --> 06:23.000 it up from there, unless of course that finder problem kicks in, I can't install packages. 06:23.000 --> 06:27.000 They just, I get all the way to the install part and then the same thing happens. So 06:27.000 --> 06:31.000 there's something with some, that's why I thought it was the permissions, but that's 06:31.000 --> 06:36.000 not it. And then eventually just to have the machine function even though it's 06:36.000 --> 06:40.000 not, and I must say that it's running much better now. I ran cache cleaner. 06:40.000 --> 06:44.000 It's running, I mean, so much smoother and the secondary fan isn't kicking in. 06:49.500 --> 06:54.500 Upon some recommendations that I read I deleted some key files in the library preferences folder 06:54.500 --> 06:57.500 For finder for doc for a couple other things 06:58.500 --> 07:02.500 So I'm kind of out of loss here one other thing 07:03.500 --> 07:07.500 When I I have the console log open and 07:08.500 --> 07:10.500 Earlier I'm not seeing it now 07:11.500 --> 07:12.500 check 07:12.500 --> 07:19.500 I do have the jack server from the jack tools it's saying it can't connect to the default jack server 07:19.500 --> 07:23.500 But that shouldn't be a problem that it's logical because I don't have the server running so 07:23.500 --> 07:27.500 It does try that every every other you know a couple of minutes 07:29.500 --> 07:31.500 No, it's not saying it before 07:32.500 --> 07:35.500 It was giving me a PA a power management 07:35.500 --> 07:41.500 Error of course, I didn't capture it. Oh, is there a history to this? Maybe there is a history. Hold on 07:41.500 --> 07:46.500 Caesar console history quickly 07:48.500 --> 07:50.500 I guess not 07:51.000 --> 07:53.000 Ah, damn, okay. 07:53.000 --> 07:55.000 Then maybe somewhere. 07:55.000 --> 08:04.000 And lo and behold, and I've had this happen a couple of times, I put my Mac to sleep before I drove up to Amsterdam, and then it won't wake up. 08:04.000 --> 08:13.000 It'll wake up, and you can hear the drive cranking up, you can see your mouse, but the screen really stays black, and then you never get the login screen, it just goes back to sleep. 08:13.000 --> 08:17.000 Try it a couple of times, and then eventually wind up having to do a hard... 08:18.000 --> 08:25.000 So those are the symptoms and then after you do one of those hard resets, then of course it's coming up with the famous 08:25.000 --> 08:27.000 orphaned indirect node 08:28.000 --> 08:30.000 warning and the 08:30.000 --> 08:32.000 I should have written that one down 08:34.500 --> 08:39.500 Well anyway, there's some file that is, I guess not right, it takes a long time for it to scan the disk. 08:43.500 --> 08:46.500 more of the same happens. I've also done the boot in single user mode, done the 08:46.500 --> 08:53.500 Fisk the disk, all of that. So I don't know, you know, it's it just happens after 08:53.500 --> 08:57.500 every once in a while. And of course I'm sure if I reformat everything and 08:57.500 --> 09:00.500 reinstall the OS, I'll probably have a perfectly good machine back. But damn, 09:00.500 --> 09:04.500 what a lot of work is invested in. How much time will it really take for me 09:04.500 --> 09:09.500 to, you know, to restore all those little things I have running. So it's sad. 09:09.500 --> 09:12.500 It's sad when your Mac gets sick. If anyone can help, please let me know. 09:13.500 --> 09:18.500 Alrighty, this is your daily source code where users and developers party 09:18.500 --> 09:24.500 together, also known in some circles as a soliloquy. So I figured we play the 09:24.500 --> 09:27.500 ultimate soliloquy song for today. Can't even pronounce the damn word 09:27.500 --> 09:28.500 soliloquy. 09:36.250 --> 11:11.250 [ Music ] 11:13.500 --> 11:20.500 And from me myself and I 11:20.500 --> 11:25.500 And from me myself and I 11:25.500 --> 11:41.500 [ Music ] 11:41.500 --> 11:46.500 Glory, Hallelujah, Glory, Wokla, One, Two 11:49.500 --> 11:54.500 I know this so I point at Q-Tip and he stays black as black 11:54.500 --> 11:56.500 You're a mirror on the wall, chup 12:15.000 --> 12:17.000 Rima Shottuna 12:20.000 --> 12:22.000 Rima Shottuna 12:24.000 --> 12:26.000 Rima Shottuna 13:00.000 --> 13:07.000 Lady Miskir and the gang of De La Soul, me, myself and I on your daily source code for 13:07.000 --> 13:14.000 Wednesday, the 29th of September 2004, coming to you from the city of Amsterdam. 13:14.000 --> 13:17.000 Oh man, we got so much to talk about today. 13:17.000 --> 13:18.000 So many bits, so many clips. 13:18.000 --> 13:20.000 Let me see, what do I have next? 13:20.000 --> 13:26.000 In my refer log, from my weblog, I came across a link from something called The Linux 13:26.000 --> 13:27.000 Show. 13:27.000 --> 13:32.000 I think I've heard The Linux Show before. 13:32.000 --> 13:38.000 Once I went to the website, which is a little bit confusing, I remembered that indeed Doc 13:38.000 --> 13:41.000 Searle's is one of the co-hosts or kind of like the Gilmore gang. 13:45.000 --> 13:54.000 the past. It's something that I can listen to occasionally, certainly. And I saw that 13:54.000 --> 14:00.000 on the lineup for the show, or maybe it was the evening before, I think it was Tuesday, 14:00.000 --> 14:06.000 so when did I catch this? Maybe I caught this this morning, I don't know. This podcasting 14:06.000 --> 14:12.000 in time shifted mode and I don't know what I said to who or when. Or who's on first 14:12.000 --> 14:19.000 days. So I decided to check out the Linux show and about 46 minutes into it I was 14:19.000 --> 14:24.000 rewarded. It's interesting because what I like listening to is how 14:24.000 --> 14:30.000 people of all walks of life perceive iPodder and what we're doing with 14:30.000 --> 14:37.000 podcasting. And so these are some hardcore geeks. It's a mixture. I don't know how 14:37.000 --> 14:43.000 hardcore docksurls is when it comes to Linux. I mean I have to say I have built 14:43.000 --> 14:48.000 a Red Hat kernel many times myself so I think that's reasonably hard. 14:46.500 --> 14:50.500 hardcore, putting in video device drivers, etc. 14:50.500 --> 14:54.500 And he comes into something really nice, which I have a follow-up to. 14:54.500 --> 15:01.500 So check out this little bit from The Linux Show, and Doc Searles is going to talk about 15:01.500 --> 15:03.500 his story of the week. 15:03.500 --> 15:10.500 Yeah, the story is actually, as it's so often is with me about radio, I'm here in 15:10.500 --> 15:19.500 this hotel, in this hotel, and I was just bored by NPR, and then I got bored by Howard Stern, 15:19.500 --> 15:20.500 and I got bored by several other things. 15:24.000 --> 15:31.000 And there's a lot of interesting stuff I haven't been paying some attention to, but not enough 15:31.000 --> 15:39.000 that Adam Curry has been working on for what he and some others have been calling the iPod 15:39.000 --> 15:46.000 platform in a generic way in the sense that there's a personal player that can be filled 15:46.000 --> 15:51.000 with files that the user can listen to with their discretion. 15:51.000 --> 15:58.000 And actually, I asked Kevin several weeks ago what percentage, how many more people 15:58.000 --> 16:01.000 download The Listen Live to the Linux show. 16:01.000 --> 16:05.000 And he said quite a few more do listen to the downloads and do listen live. 16:05.000 --> 16:08.000 This is a very interesting point. 16:08.000 --> 16:13.000 And this is the one thing I noticed immediately when I went to the Linux show website, 16:13.000 --> 16:18.000 which I think is the Linux show or linuxshow.com or .NET. 16:18.000 --> 16:20.000 I'm sorry, I don't remember what it was. 16:20.000 --> 16:24.000 And I'm afraid to fire up Safari at this point in the podcast. 16:24.000 --> 16:26.000 But you know... 16:25.500 --> 16:30.500 you could download like M3U files to get the streaming version or you could listen to it 16:30.500 --> 16:35.500 live and really, see there's no benefit listening to it live, although yeah, maybe I guess if 16:35.500 --> 16:36.500 you have a call. 16:39.000 --> 16:45.000 make some sense. But it was actually kind of hard to find the downloads, the MP3s. 16:45.000 --> 16:52.000 And once I did find them, lo and behold, I couldn't find an RSS feed of these archive shows. 16:52.000 --> 16:56.000 And I thought, wow, what an opportunity. And here they are. They're talking about just 16:56.000 --> 17:01.000 that. Yeah, well, maybe we should do that. Well, yeah. More people seem to be listening 17:01.000 --> 17:05.000 to the download. Man, this is, you guys are so right for iPod. Just let me know. 17:05.000 --> 17:07.000 I'll be happy to help you out. 17:08.000 --> 17:11.000 And that's true with almost everybody who broadcast live and also archives it. 17:11.000 --> 17:15.000 There's this other show I do called the Gilmore Gang with Steve Gilmore and several 17:15.000 --> 17:21.000 other people. And that's also archived. And once again, many more people 17:21.000 --> 17:26.000 listen to it on their own time. And Adam's show, Adam, you might remember 17:26.000 --> 17:29.000 his name. He was an MPV VJ, many, many. 17:29.000 --> 17:34.000 Okay, I just want to say thank you. Doc, thank you very much. Thank you very 17:34.000 --> 17:39.000 much for setting that straight. I want to mention that Doc is 17:40.500 --> 17:46.500 a radio guy. He knows a hell of a lot about radio, particularly in the United States. 17:46.500 --> 17:48.500 And we're going to get into that, some of that. He's going to start talking about that 17:48.500 --> 17:51.500 in a minute, but first he's going to say something about the work that Dave and I have been doing 17:51.500 --> 17:52.500 and stuff. 17:54.000 --> 18:01.000 years ago. He's quite a figure in Holland in the Netherlands where he makes his home. 18:06.000 --> 18:13.000 Like me and a lot of other people in radio, he remains a base of thinking for him as we 18:14.000 --> 18:16.000 keep coming back to it. 18:16.000 --> 18:22.000 Exactly. And I've said this to many different people. In fact, when I met Dave Weiner and 18:22.000 --> 18:27.000 saw that his, I don't even know if we called it a web logging tool at the time, well actually 18:27.000 --> 18:34.000 I met him when it was Frontier 4.2 or 4.7. I think 4.2 before it became RadioUserland. 18:37.000 --> 18:42.000 I said what a great name. I totally understand this. Web logging is like radio. You just 18:42.000 --> 18:48.000 open your big blabbermouth, you throw some shit out there. Your jingles are pictures and 18:48.000 --> 18:55.000 bits and stuff. That's what we call packaging. That's what it is. It's packaging. 18:55.500 --> 19:00.500 So, you use the HTML for packaging and you have different feedback loops, you know, with 19:00.500 --> 19:05.500 comments, with sending email, with trackbacks. 19:05.500 --> 19:09.500 So this is something that radio people totally understand. 19:09.500 --> 19:12.500 And you're also performing the act of soliloquy. 19:12.500 --> 19:19.500 The first thing that he's been doing is basically his ramblings in the morning on 19:19.500 --> 19:21.500 the net. 19:21.500 --> 19:24.500 And the one this morning, several things kind of coincided. 19:24.500 --> 19:37.500 One is that he's been working with Dave Weiner on using the enclosures capacity of the RSS 19:37.500 --> 19:44.500 Duplino standard to create an open source product for OS X. 19:44.500 --> 19:50.500 Now, what's funny about this is that Dave and I have been working on enclosures for RSS 19:50.500 --> 19:55.500 for five years and been preaching this stuff for a long time. 19:55.500 --> 19:56.500 Now the downside is what... 19:57.000 --> 20:02.000 What Docs about to say is that we've created something for OS X and my question has been 20:02.000 --> 20:06.000 answered about the Windows versions and by either tonight or tomorrow. 20:07.500 --> 20:12.500 to the, so the Windows users when they come to iPod.org they understand immediately yes, 20:12.500 --> 20:13.500 there is a Windows client. 20:18.000 --> 20:22.000 But at this point, Doc believes it may still only be OS X, which means Mac only, which 20:22.000 --> 20:25.000 is not a good thing from an iPod or development standpoint. 20:25.000 --> 20:27.000 But let's continue. 20:27.000 --> 20:30.000 I'm called iPod or I think. 20:30.000 --> 20:35.000 All the nouns get, I'm not looking at the computer right now and get confused if I do. 20:35.000 --> 20:41.000 But there's a, but the idea is that you, you know, you get the RSS feed, like it's 20:41.000 --> 20:45.000 a, you subscribe to an RSS feed for this show. 20:45.000 --> 20:49.000 It doesn't stop in your computer just goes straight to your iPod. 20:49.000 --> 20:51.000 Now conceptually, the standards are there. 20:51.000 --> 20:54.000 Any, any Linux hacker listening to this can make it happen for Linux and 20:54.000 --> 20:58.000 use AUG or whatever, you know, I mean, that's not a, that's not a problem. 20:58.000 --> 21:03.000 It's a, it's a real opportunity and that, and coincidentally in the middle of all 21:03.000 --> 21:10.000 this, finally, Dave Weiner open sourced with the GPL, the code base to 21:10.000 --> 21:15.000 the frontier, which is the, the scripting and development system with which he 21:15.000 --> 21:19.000 developed Manila, which is what's used to, it was my blog run time. 21:19.500 --> 21:25.500 It's a really big project and it's a really... 21:25.500 --> 21:27.500 I want to salute Dave for doing that. 21:27.500 --> 21:30.500 Andy, I mean, he's been meaning to do it for some time. 21:30.500 --> 21:33.500 But for using the GPL as well, that was a cool move. 21:33.500 --> 21:35.500 So that was tied in with it as well. 21:35.500 --> 21:40.500 Okay, so that's interesting that Doc says that was tied in with it. 21:40.500 --> 21:44.500 And the question is, of course, is there any such thing really as coincidence? 21:44.500 --> 21:47.500 I don't believe in coincidence. I really don't believe in coincidence. 21:47.500 --> 21:49.500 I've had too many coincidences take place. 21:49.500 --> 21:51.500 I just can't believe in coincidence anymore. 21:51.500 --> 21:56.500 I also knew that Frontier was going open source. 21:56.500 --> 21:58.500 I've known it for a long time. 21:58.500 --> 22:00.500 I think there was actually a point several years ago 22:00.500 --> 22:03.500 where Dave was seriously thinking about doing this. 22:03.500 --> 22:09.500 And I learned to script, if you can call it that, 22:09.500 --> 22:14.500 just look at the iPod or Apple script and that's my work. 22:14.500 --> 22:18.500 But I learned to do this. I actually did it in radio. 22:18.500 --> 22:20.500 I started looking at it a little bit when... 22:21.000 --> 22:24.000 before radio was born and it was Frontier. 22:24.000 --> 22:28.000 And Frontier is essentially, what interested me about it 22:28.000 --> 22:29.000 was that it was cross-platform. 22:29.000 --> 22:33.000 So anything you scripted out in this development 22:33.000 --> 22:37.000 environment would work on a Mac and on a Windows machine, 22:37.000 --> 22:39.000 on a PC. 22:39.000 --> 22:44.000 And at the time I was starting to get interested in P2P 22:44.000 --> 22:48.000 and sharing and also web logging, although I didn't know 22:48.000 --> 22:49.000 what it was at the time. 22:49.000 --> 22:53.000 And although Dave Weiner was beating my head with, 22:53.000 --> 22:56.000 you know, look this company you've got that's listed 22:56.000 --> 22:59.000 on NASDAQ, the way you're creating things is highly 22:59.000 --> 23:01.000 inefficient and you need to do it this way. 23:01.000 --> 23:05.000 And perhaps we had a bit of not invented here syndrome. 23:06.000 --> 23:09.000 But I think I just didn't really understand really. 23:09.000 --> 23:11.000 Yeah, I just didn't understand what he was saying. 23:11.000 --> 23:14.000 I couldn't quite grasp the concept. 23:14.000 --> 23:16.000 It took me several years. 23:16.000 --> 23:20.000 But what was wonderful about this, it wasn't really 23:20.000 --> 23:21.000 something you installed. 23:21.000 --> 23:22.000 You kind of like down. 23:22.500 --> 23:26.500 loaded this application and you just double clicked on it and it was running and then 23:26.500 --> 23:30.500 anything you did with that environment would just work. 23:30.500 --> 23:33.500 And it also talked to the file system. 23:33.500 --> 23:35.500 It talked to Apple Script. 23:35.500 --> 23:38.500 You could run Apple Scripts within it. 23:38.500 --> 23:45.500 And so I was introduced to the concept of upstream folders. 23:45.500 --> 23:50.500 So basically a magic folder that's checked by some thread that's running every couple 23:50.500 --> 23:52.500 seconds or every minute. 23:52.500 --> 23:59.500 So I really started to understand a bit about scripting and saw that it's just a language 23:59.500 --> 24:04.500 you have to learn and what, as I continued and did more and more, I've created so many 24:04.500 --> 24:09.500 radio user land hacked up things that, you know, it's one thing I really covet is my 24:09.500 --> 24:11.500 radio dot root file. 24:11.500 --> 24:16.500 I backed that up all over the place all the time because there's so many patches and 24:16.500 --> 24:17.500 bridges and stuff that I've built in there. 24:17.500 --> 24:20.500 I'm afraid if I ever lose that then my life will be destroyed. 24:20.500 --> 24:23.500 You know, there's just one ball of string. 24:24.000 --> 24:27.000 because there's an object database in there. 24:27.000 --> 24:31.000 And that's really nice because you can access that directly. 24:31.000 --> 24:38.000 Frontier developers will know that I understand what 24:38.000 --> 24:42.000 pta means, page table access. 24:42.000 --> 24:50.000 Anyway, so as I started to look more and more and as I actually got closer to doing iPod, 24:52.500 --> 24:56.500 Dave was going to do an open source release of Frontier. 24:56.500 --> 25:02.500 I was really looking at this saying, man, this would be so perfect because think about all 25:02.500 --> 25:06.500 the things that are already in there that we need for iPod. 25:06.500 --> 25:10.500 I think the aggregator code is maybe even a part of the open source release I have 25:10.500 --> 25:11.500 to check. 25:13.500 --> 25:16.500 the one that you access through Manila is put it that way because Manila of course 25:16.500 --> 25:20.500 I believe will remain a commercial product from user land. 25:20.500 --> 25:24.500 It's awesome, you know, it's at least it has all the stuff there. I use it, I like it. 25:24.500 --> 25:30.500 It has all these, you know, these whacked out TCP calls you need to make an XML RPC 25:30.500 --> 25:36.500 and it parses RSS and OPML and just all this all the web stuff that 25:36.500 --> 25:40.500 that we use and that we develop for every single day is in there and I believe that 25:40.500 --> 25:43.500 you know if I can 25:43.500 --> 25:46.500 than any user can and and it's of course it's the way the future. 25:46.500 --> 25:49.500 Doc Searles actually has a website about this, the Deweyers. 25:52.500 --> 25:57.500 But Google it, Doc Searles, I do it yourself, DIY garage. 25:57.500 --> 25:59.500 And that's how I created iPodder. 25:59.500 --> 26:06.500 And thank God we got a whole bunch of smart people into a group to continue this work and 26:06.500 --> 26:11.500 improve upon it and come up with new ideas and have a much faster development cycle, 26:11.500 --> 26:13.500 that's for sure. 26:13.500 --> 26:19.500 But I needed something that I could get out there that wouldn't cost anything for 26:19.500 --> 26:21.500 anyone to just try out. 26:21.500 --> 26:26.500 And the frontier release just wasn't there at the time. 26:26.500 --> 26:29.500 And to do it on radio would mean you'd have to download a copy of radio and 26:29.500 --> 26:31.500 you have to register and 26:33.000 --> 26:36.000 wasn't the right way to do it. So that's why I chose the Apple script. Of course, severely 26:36.000 --> 26:43.000 limiting myself to the Mac platform while doing so. And that's been solved by Pearl 26:43.000 --> 26:48.000 and predominantly Python. I see that as... And I think isn't Python... Wasn't that invented 26:48.000 --> 26:49.000 in Holland? Isn't the... 26:51.000 --> 26:56.000 I thought he was at least and I've looked at Python and I haven't actually developed anything in it 26:56.000 --> 26:59.000 But I think I could learn that and it seems like a great language 26:59.000 --> 27:01.000 one of the things that 27:01.000 --> 27:03.000 that I've always liked about 27:04.000 --> 27:08.000 Frontier and radio is that you know is that you could incorporate? 27:09.000 --> 27:11.000 the not only just Apple script but also the 27:12.000 --> 27:18.000 OS X shell so in fact in the iPod or script I believe the way I download the files is by 27:19.000 --> 27:26.000 Using a command line. I forget what did I use for that? It's it not get Earl 27:27.000 --> 27:29.000 Whatever the improvement is of 27:30.000 --> 27:35.000 Links remember links minus D that would download your file 27:35.000 --> 27:41.000 Actually, I use the the minus there's some other switch in there that I use curl like that's what I use curl 27:41.000 --> 27:47.000 Some other switch that checks to see if it's downloaded a partial portion of the file and will actually resume the download 27:48.000 --> 27:52.000 Those I think that was actually a thread on the iPod or develop developers list 27:52.500 --> 28:03.500 the other day. So I've been looking forward to delving into frontier. I don't know if 28:03.500 --> 28:07.500 I'm going to have time to really focus on it before the end of the year because we've 28:07.500 --> 28:10.500 got the move, we've got blogger con, there's all kinds of stuff happening and I have so 28:10.500 --> 28:17.500 many fricking podcasts I have to listen to every single day and I love it by the way. 28:17.500 --> 28:20.500 I just don't know if I'm going to have time because essentially what I've been 28:20.500 --> 28:24.500 invited to do now that this is open source and you can check it out at 28:24.500 --> 28:28.500 kernel.scripting.com and everyone's invited is you can actually bake some of this 28:28.500 --> 28:33.500 cool stuff right into the kernel which was just apparently is supposed to be 28:33.500 --> 28:37.500 megatons faster than doing it in the scripted way but of 28:37.500 --> 28:42.500 course you have to program C I think. There's a couple of different and 28:42.500 --> 28:48.500 everything's explained and it's just a huge huge code base and it really is I 28:48.500 --> 28:55.500 think at least for as long as I've known him Dave Winer's life work. 28:54.000 --> 28:59.000 And I don't know what he expected it to become, 28:59.000 --> 29:03.000 but I think he's doing the right thing by putting his baby out there to the rest of the... 29:04.500 --> 29:11.500 Actually, a lot of emotional stories from people about how much they lived with this code base. 29:11.500 --> 29:16.500 I think we probably had a very similar, very similar to the iPod or Dev group, 29:16.500 --> 29:21.500 where people just getting along and hanging out and having a good time and creating something that was groovy and worked well. 29:24.000 --> 29:31.000 where. And I think that this, that that community is still there. I certainly want to join 29:31.000 --> 29:37.000 it. I want to learn how. And I was listening to Dave's morning coffee notes for, it was 29:37.000 --> 29:41.000 actually two days ago, the 27th is when it's dated. You can check it on his web log. If 29:41.000 --> 29:43.000 you haven't subscribed, you should subscribe to his. 29:45.000 --> 29:53.000 with your iPodder. And he told the story about releasing this and it's a very personal, very... 29:53.000 --> 30:01.000 It points even, I think, emotional tale and what he really wants to come of this. 30:01.000 --> 30:07.000 And I wanted to play a little excerpt from it. In all, it's about 30 or 40 minutes and it's really 30:07.000 --> 30:12.000 worth listening to because it really sets you up to understand what the culture is behind this 30:12.000 --> 30:17.000 code base. And he does talk about a couple of things that I think any developer that is 30:17.000 --> 30:20.000 working on iPodder and even some users who may just be interested in checking out... 30:22.500 --> 30:27.500 And I think that this may be something that we should look at particularly because of 30:27.500 --> 30:33.500 some of the integration capabilities that it has or will have and the cross-platformity 30:33.500 --> 30:34.500 of it. 30:34.500 --> 30:43.500 We might want to look at this for developing the podcasting side of iPodder. 30:43.500 --> 30:46.500 I just want to drop an mp3 file. 30:48.000 --> 30:54.000 I think I should do is create the mp3 file set the metadata you know the id3 tags and the rest should happen by itself 30:54.000 --> 30:58.000 Right now I spend so much more time doing other things getting it up there that you know 30:58.000 --> 31:00.000 There's just a lot of 31:00.000 --> 31:05.000 time to be to be one doing that and and hey fuck it time is money, okay? 31:05.000 --> 31:07.000 So I want you to listen to a bit of Dave 31:08.000 --> 31:12.000 Talking about the frontier open source release this software just wants 31:12.000 --> 31:16.000 Two things it wants to be preserved and it wants to have a chance so 31:17.000 --> 31:24.000 It doesn't want to take anything away fact one of the projects that I've listed on great things to have would be 31:24.000 --> 31:28.000 to have Python run inside of the frontier environment and 31:28.000 --> 31:32.000 Believe me if you look closely it makes a ton of sense 31:33.000 --> 31:37.000 Python is a wonderful language. It's very philosophically compatible with 31:38.000 --> 31:40.000 The approach the frontier takes 31:40.000 --> 31:41.000 I 31:41.000 --> 31:43.000 Think frontier goes a little further 31:43.000 --> 31:47.000 Python says that white space is significant which I think is a very good idea 31:49.500 --> 31:56.500 Frontier agrees, so much so that there are no curly braces and semicolons in the language, 31:56.500 --> 31:57.500 although there actually are. 31:57.500 --> 32:00.500 But don't tell anyone. 32:00.500 --> 32:02.500 And I mean, you can enter them if you want to. 32:02.500 --> 32:04.500 You don't have to though. 32:04.500 --> 32:08.500 It will generate them for you. 32:08.500 --> 32:14.500 And other languages like Perl and Java and C-Sharp and so forth, all would make sense 32:14.500 --> 32:16.500 in this environment. 32:16.500 --> 32:18.500 It is that, an environment. 32:18.500 --> 32:19.500 So all are welcome. 32:22.500 --> 32:23.500 What else? 32:23.500 --> 32:25.500 So what other ideas are there? 32:25.500 --> 32:26.500 A Linux port would be great. 32:28.500 --> 32:35.500 And how about baking in a BitTorrent server inside of Frontier? 32:35.500 --> 32:37.500 That would be something I'd love to see. 32:37.500 --> 32:45.500 In other words, let's make BitTorrent as easy, setting up a BitTorrent server as easy as we possibly can make it. 32:45.500 --> 32:46.500 So that they'll... 32:47.500 --> 32:49.500 See where I'm going? 32:49.500 --> 32:51.500 There'll be lots of BitTorrent. 32:51.000 --> 32:55.000 server. So when I want to publish something and release it under bit.torn, I shouldn't have to do 32:55.000 --> 33:00.000 anything other than just drop something into a folder and have it immediately be recognized and 33:00.000 --> 33:10.000 then have the proper .tor file be generated or is it .tor? I never really remember. Be generated 33:10.000 --> 33:16.000 and published and you know make it so that it's absolutely effortless to do that. Would be wonderful. 33:19.500 --> 33:24.500 Just some ideas. I'm sure there are plenty of others. In terms of forks. 33:24.500 --> 33:29.500 Okay. Before we get to this, to the cutlery, I encourage you to listen to that 33:29.500 --> 33:33.500 morning coffee notes that Dave did. I heard it this morning and I was like, 33:33.500 --> 33:35.500 wow, you know, this 33:36.000 --> 33:39.000 emotional stuff but it's cool because it sets you up and it gets you really in the mood to 33:39.000 --> 33:41.000 go and do something with it. 33:41.000 --> 33:45.000 And I like that idea of a bit torrent being baked in. 33:45.000 --> 33:47.000 I thought actually, I don't know if it's true. 33:47.000 --> 33:49.000 Oh, hold on a second. 33:51.000 --> 33:57.000 I had a feeling that there was some kind of P2P hooks in there already. 33:57.000 --> 33:59.000 I don't know. 33:59.000 --> 34:01.000 Definitely worth taking a look at. 34:01.000 --> 34:02.000 Pernell.scripting.com. 34:02.000 --> 34:06.000 Okay, I want to bob back for a second to the Linux show just briefly. 34:06.000 --> 34:14.000 Remember, Doc Searle's Radio Guy, so he has the same senses that I do about... 34:14.000 --> 34:15.000 It's an industry. 34:15.000 --> 34:20.000 You grow up in the radio industry and they're just like any of the music business. 34:20.000 --> 34:24.000 There's our version of the Amit Ardagan from Atlantic Records. 34:24.000 --> 34:28.000 We've got the big program directors, the big music directors. 34:28.000 --> 34:32.000 Although that's diminishing now that everything is becoming clear channel basically. 34:32.000 --> 34:33.000 And we have that. 34:33.000 --> 34:36.000 We've got Clear Channel, we have the NAB and lots of Radio Guys. 34:36.000 --> 34:37.000 I'll talk about it later. 34:40.500 --> 34:45.500 And especially the morning show guys. Hey, man. I had doing as you know, what's going on in Margaret Matt? 34:48.000 --> 34:50.000 So that's kind of like the radio jargon. 34:50.000 --> 34:53.000 And Doc and I both understand that very, very well. 34:53.000 --> 34:59.000 And he's going to go into some interesting points that I think that I've not in the same 34:59.000 --> 35:03.000 words, but I've certainly touched on in the past couple of podcasts of the Daily Source 35:03.000 --> 35:04.000 Code. 35:04.000 --> 35:06.000 And it probably pertains to your life as well. 35:06.000 --> 35:07.000 We're thinking this. 35:09.000 --> 35:14.000 And I suddenly realized what it was that had happened to radio, 35:14.000 --> 35:17.000 that I...and what this represents. 35:17.000 --> 35:21.000 I stopped listening to music radio for the most part about 20 years ago. 35:21.000 --> 35:28.000 And now I'm stopping listening to pretty much all of it, except when I'm sitting in the car and I have no choice. 35:28.000 --> 35:32.000 Well, exactly. Except when you're sitting in the car and have no choice. 35:32.000 --> 35:34.000 Actually, you do have choice when you're in the car. 35:34.000 --> 35:36.000 You can talk to someone else. 35:36.000 --> 35:42.000 You can soliloquy. You can ask for more cowbell. 35:42.000 --> 35:47.000 You can talk to someone on the phone or you could listen to the radio. 35:47.000 --> 35:50.000 And of course, in direct competition with that is podcasting. 35:50.000 --> 35:59.000 And partly it's because the net has spoiled us for looking at what we want and reading what we want and referring to whom we want. 35:59.000 --> 36:01.000 Why don't I have choices here? 36:01.000 --> 36:05.000 Yeah, exactly. And it is, as Eric knows better than the rest of us, 36:05.000 --> 36:10.000 it's a libertarian playground. I mean, we are all at liberty to do... 36:10.500 --> 36:15.500 with the fuck we please and pointed when we please and listen to what we please and on 36:15.500 --> 36:24.500 our own time, on our own ways and much as we might criticize the iPod, it's such a ubiquitous 36:24.500 --> 36:28.500 prototype in the world for the new transistor radio. 36:28.500 --> 36:30.500 The transistor radio made rock and roll. 36:30.500 --> 36:33.500 I mean, rock and roll happened because of the transistor radio. 36:33.500 --> 36:34.500 This is so cool. 36:34.500 --> 36:35.500 Listen to what he's saying. 36:35.500 --> 36:36.500 This is great stuff. 36:36.500 --> 36:38.500 I think I agree with him. 36:38.500 --> 36:39.500 It's absolutely true. 36:39.500 --> 36:40.500 So what is the iPod? 36:40.500 --> 36:43.500 And we may have to worship this device pretty soon. 36:43.500 --> 36:49.500 In most markets, the rock and roll station was not the biggest AM station. 36:49.500 --> 36:52.500 It was often the smallest one or one of the smallest ones. 36:52.500 --> 36:55.500 They were always the secondary stations in the markets. 36:55.500 --> 37:01.500 Or when they were very powerful in a weird place like XTRQ. 37:01.500 --> 37:02.500 Oh yeah. 37:02.500 --> 37:06.500 Or they had a directional panel. 37:06.500 --> 37:11.500 I used to listen in the 1960s, they used to listen to XTRQ. 37:12.000 --> 37:17.000 Detroit. Yeah okay so these guys go on for a little while about you know what 37:17.000 --> 37:20.000 stations they remember and and how far away they were when they could actually 37:20.000 --> 37:26.000 receive them and hey I'm getting I'm getting mail from from as far away as 37:26.000 --> 37:28.000 Australia 37:30.000 --> 37:32.000 I got an email back here for a second. 37:32.000 --> 37:36.000 Hold on, I didn't want to do that one last actually. 37:36.000 --> 37:43.000 I got an email here from Guy Dickinson and he said something funny. 37:43.000 --> 37:45.000 He's actually been following my weblog for a while. 37:45.000 --> 37:48.000 They say, where the bloody hell is the BBC and all this? 37:48.000 --> 37:52.000 To get the Beves radio output on my iPod, I have to stand on one leg, 37:52.000 --> 37:55.000 stealth record real audio, ick, streams, etc. 37:55.000 --> 37:59.000 I pay a license fee and that content is quote, mine, 37:59.000 --> 38:00.000 can't timeshift. 38:00.000 --> 38:03.000 How long until your podcast model is adopted over there? 38:03.000 --> 38:05.000 Well, you know, I'm moving by the end of the year, 38:05.000 --> 38:08.000 you know, give me a couple of weeks to convince him. 38:08.000 --> 38:12.000 And he also points out another great idea for a podcast. 38:12.000 --> 38:15.000 Then he's actually pointing to, it's a commercial venture, 38:15.000 --> 38:19.000 it's a commercial venture, a company called skinkers.com. 38:19.000 --> 38:21.000 S-K-I-N-K-E. 38:22.500 --> 38:27.500 skinkers only with 2K skinkers. 38:27.500 --> 38:30.500 And he's talking about, oh this is the walk around. 38:30.500 --> 38:32.500 That's what it was. Yeah, the... 38:34.500 --> 38:39.500 So I'm trying to find, yeah, soundwalk.com. 38:39.500 --> 38:41.500 That's what he was talking about. 38:41.500 --> 38:45.500 Audio tours of New York and they have an audio tour of Paris. 38:45.500 --> 38:50.500 And wouldn't it be great to just have walking tours, go out on your city, I mean, check 38:50.500 --> 38:51.500 this out. 38:51.500 --> 38:54.500 But here's, you want to make some cool technology. 38:54.500 --> 39:01.500 You integrate, oh God, I remember this one before, you integrate your iPod or your 39:01.500 --> 39:04.500 iPod with a GPS. 39:04.500 --> 39:07.500 And the GPS has waypoints that you download and are pre-configured. 39:07.500 --> 39:11.500 And as you walk around town, just like in the Wax Museum where you stand close to an 39:11.500 --> 39:14.500 exhibit, then all of a sudden it's going to trigger a file on your iPod. 39:14.500 --> 39:19.500 You know, if you're within proximity of this bridge or this museum or this monument, 39:19.500 --> 39:21.500 boom, it fires off and then all of a sudden you get some. 39:25.500 --> 39:28.500 So a guide, definitely thinking about what we can do with this stuff. 39:28.500 --> 39:33.500 Mail from Ed from Pendengo.com. 39:33.500 --> 39:39.500 And he pointed out Nicecast, which is also a Rogue Amoeba product. 39:39.500 --> 39:44.500 Rogue Amoeba are the makers of Audio Hijack Pro. 39:44.500 --> 39:47.500 And I'd looked at it before and I thought it was just some quick 39:47.500 --> 39:50.500 down and dirty streaming app, which is exactly what it is. 39:50.500 --> 39:52.500 Although if you look a little bit deeper, 39:54.000 --> 40:00.000 at Audio Hijack Pro Lite and they actually it's much easier to understand how to get 40:00.000 --> 40:02.000 your microphone voice over to work and I could record 40:04.500 --> 40:09.500 players that I have with that software. There's really no difference except it 40:09.500 --> 40:13.500 just focused on capturing one application sound and then you can 40:13.500 --> 40:17.500 mix in anything you want you can put the filters in. So definitely check out a 40:17.500 --> 40:33.500 nice cast. Let me see, I had a lot of things here. Who is this? I'm sorry. 40:33.500 --> 40:39.500 Where's my producer? Damn it. Okay, Brandon Fuller, yeah this is something that 40:39.500 --> 40:47.500 pertains to Audio Hijack Pro as well as to nice cast. Brandon Fuller said, you know, I 40:47.500 --> 40:52.500 got Audio Hijack Pro but it will only actually record something when an 40:52.500 --> 40:58.500 application is outputting an audio signal. So for example, if you just want to 40:58.500 --> 41:02.500 record your voice by using the voiceover, you know, iTunes if you're, if 41:02.500 --> 41:07.500 you're hijacking iTunes as it sounds. 41:06.000 --> 41:09.000 source has to be running in order for the channel to open up. 41:09.000 --> 41:14.000 Now I ran into the same problem and you can solve it in a number of ways. 41:14.000 --> 41:20.000 What I've done is I have this mix program called DJ1800 and I just have a track of, 41:20.000 --> 41:26.000 I took a little bit of just ambient noise, just recorded about 20 seconds of that, just 41:26.000 --> 41:30.000 room noise, you can barely hear it. 41:30.000 --> 41:35.000 It's just very, very low decibel level and I copied-paced that about 50 times into 41:35.000 --> 41:40.000 a quick time document. Save that and so now I have this silence track and I just 41:40.000 --> 41:44.000 have that looping in that player and it's enough bits even though inaudible to the 41:44.000 --> 41:48.000 human ear that it keeps the channel open. That's one way to do it. Another way is to 41:48.000 --> 41:53.000 it's to hijack an application that does stay open. A couple of them do that. 41:53.000 --> 41:58.000 In fact it's funny the X10 SIP phone that Dave and I have been trying out. 41:58.000 --> 42:02.000 If I dial one digit then it opens up its audio channel and it stays open for as 42:02.000 --> 42:07.000 long as you want so I hope that was of some help. 42:07.500 --> 42:11.500 Let's see, man we're gonna run along, we're already running long today and there's a 42:11.500 --> 42:13.500 couple things I want you to hear. 42:16.500 --> 42:19.500 and I also have a bit of comedy, actually two bits of comedy. 42:19.500 --> 42:23.500 Around the net, I've been, around the web, I've been reading about John Stewart's appearance 42:23.500 --> 42:33.500 on The No Spin Zone, that's a O'Reilly show on Fox News, and I've read transcripts, you 42:33.500 --> 42:37.500 know, I hadn't actually seen a pointer, couldn't find a bit torrent to it either. 42:37.500 --> 42:43.500 Finally I did today, and as I watched this, I thought, you know, the transcript doesn't 42:43.500 --> 42:48.500 know justice, because you don't hear the nuance and the context that these guys are 42:48.500 --> 42:53.500 talking to each other, and I think the audio, listening to that, will give you a 42:53.500 --> 42:58.500 lot more of the context. Of course without the, without seeing the video, 42:58.500 --> 43:02.500 you're kind of missing the smirky way these guys are looking at. 43:03.000 --> 43:07.000 It was only about five or six minutes, but I'd like you to listen to this because I think 43:07.000 --> 43:13.000 John Stewart did a great job and I think O'Reilly, I think he was left with some egg on his face 43:13.000 --> 43:16.000 because John just hammered him at a couple of points and he was funny about it. 43:16.000 --> 43:18.000 John Stewart for fucking president, I say. 43:27.000 --> 43:28.000 Oops, hold on a second. 43:28.000 --> 43:30.000 I don't think that was recording. 43:30.000 --> 43:31.000 Hold on. 43:31.000 --> 43:34.000 Or actually that it wasn't outputting properly. 43:34.000 --> 43:37.000 Let me just, here we go. 43:37.000 --> 43:40.000 Gotta put that onto, what is it? 43:41.000 --> 43:42.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on. 43:43.000 --> 43:45.000 How come I only have the two channel thing? 43:45.000 --> 43:46.000 Let's see if this works. 43:46.000 --> 43:48.000 Hold on, I'm gonna try it again. 43:48.000 --> 43:49.000 Really? 43:49.000 --> 43:50.000 The host of The Daily Show on Comedy Central. 43:50.000 --> 43:53.000 And now, has a book called America, 43:53.000 --> 43:57.000 Citizens Guide to Democracy in Action. 43:57.000 --> 43:58.000 In Action One Word. 43:58.000 --> 43:59.000 Welcome, John. 43:59.000 --> 44:00.000 This of course, I'm sorry. 44:00.000 --> 44:02.000 He's here to promote the audio book 44:02.000 --> 44:04.000 that we reviewed on Source Code before. 44:04.000 --> 44:06.000 Stuart to the nose, spins on everyone. 44:06.000 --> 44:07.000 How are you, sir? 44:07.000 --> 44:09.000 Okay, you know what's really frightening? 44:09.000 --> 44:11.000 Uh-oh. 44:11.000 --> 44:13.000 You know what's really frightening? 44:13.000 --> 44:14.000 You've been reading my diary. 44:14.000 --> 44:16.000 You actually have an influence 44:16.000 --> 44:17.000 on this presidential election. 44:17.000 --> 44:19.000 Oh, that is, that is. 44:19.000 --> 44:20.000 If that were so, that would be frightening. 44:20.000 --> 44:21.000 It is, it's true. 44:21.000 --> 44:23.000 I mean, you got Stone Slacker's, 44:23.000 --> 44:24.000 watching your dopey show every night. 44:24.000 --> 44:25.000 Yeah. 44:25.000 --> 44:26.000 Okay, and they can vote. 44:26.000 --> 44:27.000 You can't stop them. 44:28.500 --> 44:30.500 I just don't know how motivated they would be if these stones flackered. 44:30.500 --> 44:32.500 Yeah, it just depends if they have to go out there. 44:36.000 --> 44:38.000 You did the research, you know the research on your program. 44:38.000 --> 44:39.000 No, we don't. 44:39.000 --> 44:41.000 87% are intoxicated when they watch it? 44:41.000 --> 44:43.000 Oh, no, see, no, I didn't realize that. 44:43.000 --> 44:44.000 Yeah, we have that there. 44:44.000 --> 44:49.000 We come on right after, I believe, the puppets that make crank calls. 44:49.000 --> 44:50.000 Yeah. 44:50.000 --> 44:51.000 So we are, I think, the appropriate follow-up. 44:51.000 --> 44:52.000 Yeah, and it's a great lead-in for you. 44:52.000 --> 44:53.000 I have to put your vote. 44:53.000 --> 44:55.000 You can't vote, but these dopey kids who watch it, can't? 44:55.000 --> 44:56.000 Actually can. 44:56.000 --> 44:57.000 In Florida they can. 44:57.000 --> 44:58.000 You can't vote. 45:00.000 --> 45:02.000 vote Republican and they haven't committed a felony and they haven't 45:02.000 --> 45:07.000 committed a mess attack. But you do have some influence. Now how do you see that? 45:07.000 --> 45:13.000 You have influence. John Kerry bypassed me and went right over to you. You're only 45:13.000 --> 45:17.000 four blocks away. He said, O'Reilly, I don't think so. Stewart. 45:17.000 --> 45:22.000 Again, I mean, no disrespect. The snack selection backstage, quite frankly. 45:22.000 --> 45:28.000 You know, listen to O'Reilly, how fucking jealous he is. I mean, he can't fucking 45:28.000 --> 45:32.000 stand that this is happening. I don't want to say Guantanamo Bay, but it's a 45:32.000 --> 45:35.000 little fair back there. It's close. We want people to be hungry when they come out. I 45:35.000 --> 45:40.000 think that's why. We have what I like to call a snack size, three musketeers, 45:40.000 --> 45:44.000 some snickers, some Milky Ways. If I were presidential candidate and I had to 45:44.000 --> 45:47.000 choose, I think a place that had an energy pick me up might be the place I 45:47.000 --> 45:51.000 would go. Do you think that Kerry does himself any good talking to you? Because I 45:51.000 --> 45:56.000 think most of your audience can vote for him anyway. If I thought, 45:56.000 --> 46:00.000 Lackers, if I thought honestly that their strategy hinged upon his coming and 46:00.000 --> 46:03.000 talking to me. 46:01.500 --> 46:03.500 I would suggest that they are in some deep trouble. 46:03.500 --> 46:05.500 I don't know, I feel like if, you know, 46:07.500 --> 46:10.500 we're not, we don't have an agenda of influence. 46:10.500 --> 46:13.500 We, if we have influence, it is peripheral. 46:13.500 --> 46:17.500 And I don't imagine that people who watch the show 46:17.500 --> 46:19.500 are watching it to make up their minds in terms of 46:19.500 --> 46:22.500 who they think would best prosecute the war on terror. 46:22.500 --> 46:24.500 I think they watch to see who would maybe 46:24.500 --> 46:26.500 have the best jokes on the war. 46:26.500 --> 46:27.500 No, here's what I think they would. 46:27.500 --> 46:28.500 I've been on a show a couple of times. 46:28.500 --> 46:30.500 I mean, you obviously make fun of everybody. 46:30.500 --> 46:32.500 You're, you're, you know, I'll make it fun of your show now. 46:36.000 --> 46:41.000 But you are a show that your target audience is younger, 46:41.000 --> 46:44.000 left leaning, so you have to play to the choir sometimes. 46:44.000 --> 46:47.000 Well, the real estate is younger just because it's company- 46:47.000 --> 46:49.000 And it's at 11 o'clock at night. 46:49.000 --> 46:51.000 I don't know if it's left leaning. 46:54.000 --> 46:57.000 Foxworthy and all that, you consider that a red state show. 46:57.000 --> 46:59.000 You know that it's Foxworthy and Bill Angle. 46:59.000 --> 47:00.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 47:00.000 --> 47:01.000 Okay. 47:01.000 --> 47:04.000 There are lead-in on Monday nights and there's really no difference between. 47:04.000 --> 47:08.000 Okay, but even so, younger people tend to be a little bit more, you know. 47:08.000 --> 47:09.000 When you say younger, you're talking nine times. 47:09.000 --> 47:10.000 What are you talking about? 47:10.000 --> 47:12.000 Yeah, I'm talking 18 to 25. 47:12.000 --> 47:13.000 Excellent question. 47:13.000 --> 47:14.000 Excellent. 47:14.000 --> 47:17.000 This is the shit you got to watch out for on television is people just throw 47:17.000 --> 47:19.000 stuff out there, throw, I mean, what the fuck does he know? 47:19.000 --> 47:22.000 Did he really look at the demographics of John Stuart's show? 47:22.000 --> 47:45.000 I have some doubts. 47:46.500 --> 47:48.500 Why do you have such unicycle? 47:48.500 --> 47:52.500 Yeah, some French, we're boycotting French so I couldn't answer. 47:52.500 --> 47:54.500 By the way, I think I couldn't agree with you more about the French thing. 47:54.500 --> 47:59.500 They are such an important country and I think really deserve a boycott. 47:59.500 --> 48:05.500 This is classic John Stuart and he's going to grill O'Reilly about, you know, hey, 48:05.500 --> 48:10.500 why are we making, well listen to what he says, this is fabulous, fabulous television. 48:10.500 --> 48:11.500 The influence they wield in the world. 48:11.500 --> 48:15.500 Well, you know, I know you don't do a variety of cheeses. 48:15.500 --> 48:17.500 I know you have to have your breed before you go on. 48:17.500 --> 48:21.500 Honestly, I do really believe France is in any way worthy of a boycott. 48:21.500 --> 48:21.500 I do. 48:21.500 --> 48:24.500 I think France has really hurt the USA to be well-sealed. 48:24.500 --> 48:24.500 Really? 48:24.500 --> 48:25.500 Yes, I do. 48:25.500 --> 48:27.500 More than Saudi Arabia. 48:27.500 --> 48:28.500 You would advocate a boycott. 48:28.500 --> 48:30.500 I'm not going to say more than Saudi Arabia, but I'm 48:36.000 --> 48:39.000 we're a question for revolution they haven't been our friend okay 48:39.000 --> 48:42.000 right on the right on the other side of the area 48:42.000 --> 48:46.000 yet again he bypassed me so i took it personal yet when i would talk to you 48:46.000 --> 48:50.000 and i are not competitors but but well i'm a lot of our second rerun on the 48:50.000 --> 48:53.000 factors i don't mean it in terms of we're not competitors in terms of 48:53.000 --> 48:57.000 content your new show that we are a competition but what do you want the 48:57.000 --> 49:01.000 audience to get out of your discussion with terry just yuck's or anything else 49:01.000 --> 49:06.000 uh fuck you first of all i so rarely refer to it as yeah 49:06.000 --> 49:09.000 yeah and i think you should be content okay i'm sorry about that arcane term 49:09.000 --> 49:13.000 uh schnicks we call it schnick schnicks and giggles 49:13.000 --> 49:17.000 thank you all right uh i am very uncomfortable 49:17.000 --> 49:20.000 going more than a couple of minutes without a laugh 49:20.000 --> 49:24.000 because uh the same weakness that drove me into comedy 49:24.000 --> 49:31.000 also informs my show so that same what we call neediness 49:31.000 --> 49:34.000 neurosis if you're not hearing the audience laugh you get a little nervous 49:34.000 --> 49:39.000 that that that would be exactly correct now because it is 49:37.500 --> 49:42.500 heart, a comedy show, but it's a comedy show about things we care about. So naturally it's 49:42.500 --> 49:48.500 informed by relevant issues and important information. What do you think Kerry wants to get out of 49:48.500 --> 49:52.500 coming on your show? Like what he wants to get what any politician does. Access to a 49:52.500 --> 49:56.500 new constituency. He wants to get what any black marketer. That's exactly right because 49:56.500 --> 50:02.500 the stone slacker's this election is going to rely on the undecided. Who is more undecided? 50:04.500 --> 50:07.500 Right now they're thinking of themselves ice cream or pretzels. 50:07.500 --> 50:12.500 Don't you think that these guys want to be hip when McCain goes on with you? 50:12.500 --> 50:15.500 Bush hasn't been on with you, right? 50:15.500 --> 50:16.500 You would have remembered that. 50:16.500 --> 50:17.500 Well, George Bush? 50:17.500 --> 50:18.500 Yeah. 50:18.500 --> 50:19.500 I don't recall the... 50:21.000 --> 50:27.000 But McCain's been on. Yes. Okay. Kerry's been on as we mentioned. Yes. I've been on. So you've had the three most powerful people beside him on 50:28.000 --> 50:31.000 That's probably right. What do you think Kerry wanted to get out of it? 50:33.000 --> 50:34.000 Hug? 50:34.000 --> 50:42.000 Just a sweet hug. I'm sure what he wants out of it is again that access to it's the same thing that Budweiser wants out of it 50:42.000 --> 50:44.000 Oh, there you go. That's exactly right 50:44.000 --> 50:50.000 That is the point that he was so good that he made that the same point that the same thing Budweiser wants out of it 50:50.000 --> 50:57.000 Exactly, John. Good at Dell computers. No, it's access to this market that may be untapped 50:58.000 --> 51:06.000 An untapped potential a reserve and an Anwar if you will he wants to drill in an area that has previously been 51:06.000 --> 51:12.000 Undrilled and don't make a dirty remark about that because I see it coming. All right, you're welcome 51:12.000 --> 51:14.000 What do you think he wants out of it? I think he wants to be hip. I 51:14.000 --> 51:21.000 Do I think going on your show is a cashier and he's considered to hip or candidate this 51:30.000 --> 51:31.000 And he probably wants to get hair tips from you. 51:31.000 --> 51:32.000 Look at the hair. 51:32.000 --> 51:35.000 All right, John's doing by his book. 51:35.000 --> 51:36.000 Here he is. 51:36.000 --> 51:38.000 And I'll see you on your show in a couple of weeks. 51:38.000 --> 51:39.000 You will see me on my show. 51:39.000 --> 51:41.000 Right back with Dan Rather. 51:41.000 --> 51:42.000 I'm not watching. 51:42.000 --> 51:47.000 So this O'Reilly guy, man, he looked like a total dick in that interview and rightly 51:47.000 --> 51:48.000 so. 51:48.000 --> 51:51.000 And what the fuck does that mean? 51:51.000 --> 51:52.000 John Kerry wants to look hip. 51:52.000 --> 51:55.000 I mean, damn, he's out there selling. 51:55.000 --> 51:56.000 That's what he's doing. 51:56.000 --> 51:57.000 He's marketing. 51:57.000 --> 52:01.000 If he doesn't get that, then what the hell does he understand? 52:01.000 --> 52:02.000 Shit. 52:02.000 --> 52:05.000 OK, source code continues. 52:05.000 --> 52:06.000 Want to make an announcement? 52:06.000 --> 52:07.000 A new show? 52:07.000 --> 52:11.000 Actually, I'll let them introduce the show themselves. 52:11.000 --> 52:14.000 This is GeekSpeak. 52:14.000 --> 52:21.000 All right. 52:21.000 --> 52:23.000 Well, welcome to GeekSpeak. 52:23.000 --> 52:26.000 This is our first show. 52:26.000 --> 52:31.000 This is Scott Alden and Dirk Solco from Solco, from Board Game 52:31.000 --> 52:31.000 Game. 52:31.500 --> 52:38.500 Geek.com and Dirk and I got together and we wanted to do a radio show. 52:38.500 --> 52:40.500 Radio show, cool. 52:40.500 --> 52:41.500 And this is... 52:41.500 --> 52:43.500 Broadcast it over the internet. 52:43.500 --> 52:50.500 And basically what I've been kind of inspired by... 52:50.500 --> 52:51.500 Okay, right. 52:51.500 --> 52:54.500 So it's GeekSpeak. 52:54.500 --> 53:00.500 It is at BoardGameGeek.com and they're podcasting now. 53:00.500 --> 53:01.500 It's low quality. 53:01.500 --> 53:02.500 That's like 16... 53:02.500 --> 53:03.500 What was that? 53:03.500 --> 53:05.500 Is that 16 kilohertz? 53:05.500 --> 53:06.500 Yeah, 16 kilohertz. 53:06.500 --> 53:09.500 So it's a very low quality stream but they have guests on. 53:09.500 --> 53:13.500 And if you're into gaming, I think that these guys really have it down. 53:13.500 --> 53:16.500 I listened to a part of the show and I was like... 53:16.500 --> 53:18.500 I just have no idea what they're talking about. 53:18.500 --> 53:23.500 But it's a great show and they are kind of like the beavisome butt head of gaming. 53:23.500 --> 53:26.500 So give them a try at BoardGameGeek.com. 53:26.500 --> 53:31.500 And as our final bit for today, a comedy bit which came to me... 53:31.500 --> 53:32.500 This is something... 53:33.000 --> 53:36.000 I'm Douglas from Tom from Australia. 53:36.000 --> 53:43.000 He maintains a lot of my archives, my radio shows that I've done throughout the past 20 53:43.000 --> 53:44.000 years. 53:44.000 --> 53:48.000 I don't know where I got this from, but it's some sound advice for sure. 53:48.000 --> 53:52.000 Every time you go drinking in order not to get sick, you have to remember your stomach 53:52.000 --> 53:54.000 is just like the bouncer, right? 53:54.000 --> 53:55.000 And you're having a party. 53:55.000 --> 53:56.000 The party's in your stomach. 53:56.000 --> 53:57.000 The stomach's the bouncer. 53:57.000 --> 54:01.000 Now, when you have a party, you invite your friends, you invite your family because 54:01.000 --> 54:03.000 you know everyone gets along. 54:03.000 --> 54:06.000 Same thing with inviting alcohol into the stomach. 54:06.000 --> 54:11.000 Now you can mix up all the beer you want because they all know one another and they get along. 54:11.000 --> 54:12.000 Beer comes to the stomach though. 54:12.000 --> 54:15.000 Hey, how you doing stomach? 54:15.000 --> 54:17.000 Listen, man, it's just us beer here. 54:17.000 --> 54:19.000 You know, we figured we hang out and stuff. 54:19.000 --> 54:26.000 I mean, you know, you know, Core's Light and Sam Adams and Budweiser and Heineken 54:26.000 --> 54:27.000 and Zelo. 54:27.000 --> 54:29.000 He's crazy, man. 54:29.000 --> 54:30.000 He's crazy. 54:31.000 --> 54:33.000 You are crazy, man. 54:33.000 --> 54:34.000 He's stomach. 54:34.500 --> 54:35.500 It's usually cool with that. 54:35.500 --> 54:37.500 Alright, come on in, but keep it down. 54:37.500 --> 54:41.500 Beer goes in there to have a good time at playing darts, singing songs, but just like 54:41.500 --> 54:43.500 any party, people find out about it. 54:43.500 --> 54:46.500 And they try to, same thing with alcohol. 54:46.500 --> 54:52.500 Next thing you know, couple shots are coming along, you know, loose scotch sometimes. 54:52.500 --> 54:54.500 It's stomach hurts you having a great party on there. 54:54.500 --> 55:00.500 Get in by it, that's just a corner browser out here, see? 55:00.500 --> 55:01.500 Stomach goes what? 55:01.500 --> 55:03.500 What is he talking about? 55:03.500 --> 55:06.500 This is when they come here on your great party, when they come in by a 55:06.500 --> 55:08.500 show in the bank. 55:13.500 --> 55:18.500 All right go in there, but now whenever you mix up crowds next thing you know scotch is walking around 55:19.500 --> 55:21.500 like 55:22.500 --> 55:24.500 Right here your journey one 55:26.500 --> 55:28.500 Your foot looks so lovely 55:28.500 --> 55:32.500 And you can feel the tension your stomach's like all right guys everyone chill out 55:33.500 --> 55:36.500 All right, but now everyone's showing up Yeagermeister 55:37.500 --> 55:39.500 Fuzzy navels and they're partying here tonight 55:40.500 --> 55:44.500 We're a party sometimes sake. Oh, huh that big party here 55:49.500 --> 55:56.500 So your stomach lets them in and now it's getting pretty packed in there and you can feel what's going on 55:56.500 --> 55:59.500 There's some warning signs, but the end of the night 55:59.500 --> 56:06.500 That's when you know who always shows up the most dangerous shot to kill 56:09.500 --> 56:12.500 The tequila never shows up long 56:15.000 --> 56:17.000 There's always eight or nine of them. 56:17.000 --> 56:21.000 Come on man, we won't start no trouble man. 56:21.000 --> 56:25.000 We just came here to have a good time man. 56:25.000 --> 56:27.000 We let them work back in the van. 56:27.000 --> 56:29.000 He was bother nobody. 56:29.000 --> 56:31.000 They're like an idiot. 56:31.000 --> 56:36.000 You let in one shot and then he sneaks in all his friends. 56:36.000 --> 56:38.000 Come on man, ain't nobody looking. 56:38.000 --> 56:41.000 Soon as they get in they're like, hey man, there's everybody. 56:42.000 --> 56:44.000 Na na na na na na 56:48.000 --> 56:53.000 fights and flying next thing your stomach goes all right that's it everyone get 56:53.000 --> 57:03.000 off wait away you came in let's go hot shot there's always like an old hot dog 57:03.000 --> 57:12.000 I've been here for nine years this is ridiculous I didn't do nothing I'll 57:12.000 --> 57:20.000 stomp a mud hole in here behind went out even the air 57:25.500 --> 57:27.500 You alright man? Yeah? 57:27.500 --> 57:29.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! 57:29.500 --> 57:31.500 Let's go to another party! This one sucks man! 57:40.500 --> 57:42.500 I really wish I knew who that was by. 57:42.500 --> 57:43.500 Let me see if there's now, 57:43.500 --> 57:45.500 there's nothing in the ID3 tags. 57:45.500 --> 57:47.500 And that'll do it for the source code for today. 57:47.500 --> 57:49.500 I hope I'm not keeping you too long. 57:55.500 --> 57:57.500 if you got a comment send it to me adamantcurry.com 57:57.500 --> 58:00.500 uh... my mac account is working again by the way it was 58:03.000 --> 58:08.000 Or you can leave a comment on my weblog, live.curry.com, and check out the archives of this show at 58:08.000 --> 58:11.000 DailySourceCode.com. 58:11.000 --> 58:19.000 And of course you can subscribe to the RSS podcast feed. 58:19.000 --> 58:22.000 It's 2.0 with enclosures. 58:22.000 --> 58:23.000 It's DailySourceCode.com. 58:23.000 --> 58:29.000 So I'll talk to you sometime tomorrow on Thursday. 58:29.000 --> 58:30.000 Take care everybody. 58:30.000 --> 58:30.000 Bye-bye.