WEBVTT 00:01.500 --> 00:13.500 Well, good morning everybody! 00:13.500 --> 00:17.500 Welcome to the Daily Source Code, I'm Adam Curry, coming to you from Flanders, Belgium 00:17.500 --> 00:21.500 from Curry Castle and this is the place where users and developers party together and I 00:21.500 --> 00:26.500 apologize for not putting up the source code for yesterday. 00:26.500 --> 00:30.500 Actually, I'll tell you what the plan was. 00:30.500 --> 00:35.500 Since Dave Wein and I were going to do a trade secrets during the presidential debate, 00:35.500 --> 00:40.500 I figured by the time I got home, as you might know yesterday was a big day for me. 00:40.500 --> 00:47.500 I had a discussion with a company that wants to audiobooks or wants to distribute that 00:47.500 --> 00:48.500 through podcasting. 00:48.500 --> 00:54.500 Lots of really exciting stuff happening, but I didn't get home until reasonably late. 00:54.500 --> 01:00.500 In fact, Patricia was also coming back from Amsterdam, she had to go to the dentist. 01:03.000 --> 01:08.000 So we both kind of were returning to the castle in different automobiles at different times. 01:08.000 --> 01:13.000 And so we both decided, well, you eat at some restaurant there on the way home. 01:13.000 --> 01:16.000 And I'll eat at this restaurant here because we were on two incompatible highways. 01:16.000 --> 01:18.000 And so we got home. 01:18.000 --> 01:24.000 And then I just kind of discovered after having done more calculations with time zones that 01:24.000 --> 01:30.000 if I wanted to watch the debate with Dave simultaneously and record it, 01:30.000 --> 01:33.000 I'd have to get up at about 2.30. 01:33.000 --> 01:35.000 And by the time I realized this, it was like, I don't know, 11. 01:36.000 --> 01:40.000 So I didn't have time to really put a source code together. 01:40.000 --> 01:43.000 And I apologize because now I can see on the iPod. 01:45.000 --> 01:46.000 Users and developers both confuse, 01:46.000 --> 01:49.000 hey, I didn't get the DailyStore's code yesterday. 01:49.000 --> 01:52.000 And there's something else that I wanted to mention, 01:52.000 --> 01:54.000 something that I've noticed. 01:54.000 --> 01:56.000 The way I have it set up, the way I use 01:56.000 --> 01:58.000 MarsEdit with RadioUserLand, 01:59.000 --> 02:01.000 I just post stuff through MarsEdit, 02:01.000 --> 02:03.000 but if I want to put an enclosure in, 02:03.000 --> 02:06.000 I have to go in through the web browser interface 02:06.000 --> 02:09.000 to RadioUserLand to go manually put in the 02:10.000 --> 02:11.000 enclosure URL, 02:12.000 --> 02:13.000 since I haven't really, 02:13.000 --> 02:16.000 I've put together some publishing scripts in the past, 02:16.000 --> 02:17.000 but wasn't happy with them, 02:17.000 --> 02:19.000 so I'm still kind of doing everything manually 02:19.000 --> 02:21.000 until I know exactly what I want to do 02:21.000 --> 02:23.000 and what I want the settings to be 02:23.000 --> 02:25.000 and the ID3 tags, 02:25.000 --> 02:27.000 so we're getting pretty close on a lot of that stuff. 02:28.500 --> 02:30.500 Shoot, what was my point? 02:30.500 --> 02:33.500 Oh my God, I'm lost on my own soliloquy. 02:33.500 --> 02:36.500 Anyway, forget all that. 02:36.500 --> 02:44.500 So I did get up at 230 and connected with Dave and we did watch the debate together and we 02:44.500 --> 02:45.500 did comment on it. 02:45.500 --> 02:49.500 And I have to say, technologically, this was a tremendous success. 02:49.500 --> 02:53.500 Although we didn't get the streaming part set up, we actually, I reached out to Doug 02:53.500 --> 02:57.500 Kay of IT Conversations at the very last minute and said, you know, hey, we're 02:57.500 --> 03:03.500 thinking we could take some calls through Skype and X10 and whatever else. 03:03.500 --> 03:04.500 And maybe you could stream it. 03:04.500 --> 03:07.500 And Doug, unfortunately, had already gone off to a conference and he had always 03:07.500 --> 03:10.500 gear with him, so he couldn't help us out. 03:10.500 --> 03:15.500 But it's probably, you know, well, I don't know, if we had been streaming it 03:15.500 --> 03:18.500 live, it might have actually been pretty interesting if we'd been able to 03:18.500 --> 03:23.500 get people on in the conversation with us. 03:23.500 --> 03:26.500 But, you know, it's like halfway through the recording, we said, you know, I 03:26.500 --> 03:28.500 don't know if I was going to give a shit about this. 03:28.500 --> 03:29.500 Certainly no one who saw the debate. 03:30.000 --> 03:35.000 debate is going to care. And actually stuff that we discussed right after the debate, 03:35.000 --> 03:41.000 which was, I don't know, it probably wasn't even for public consumption. That was a much 03:41.000 --> 03:45.000 better conversation. So we just said, you know what, scrap this. We're going to try 03:45.000 --> 03:46.000 and do a wrap up tomorrow. 03:48.000 --> 03:53.000 of things. And now of course we have to figure out nine hours time difference again so we 03:53.000 --> 04:00.000 can hook up properly. But the technology of the debate, as I want to say, that was really 04:00.000 --> 04:06.000 good because we finally figured out how to make the X10 SIP phone sound a bit reasonable, 04:06.000 --> 04:11.000 found some automatic gain settings to limit Dave's microphone so when he talked too 04:11.000 --> 04:19.000 loud it would crack and break up. Oh no I want to say about the RSS feed when I 04:19.000 --> 04:25.000 update the show. So depending on, let's say that it's about just by coincidence, 04:25.000 --> 04:30.000 I've posted this and I still have to go back and add the enclosure URL into 04:30.000 --> 04:38.000 the post that basically puts this show into my RSS feed. Let's say I do it two 04:38.000 --> 04:42.000 minutes before the top of the hour. So first it goes through the motions. 04:42.000 --> 04:48.000 Probably by the time I've gone into the web interface to add the enclosure 04:48.000 --> 04:53.000 posted the RSS feed without the enclosure. 04:53.000 --> 04:57.000 Now I think that what's happening is that some aggregators, and maybe some of the iPodder 04:57.000 --> 05:05.000 stuff does this, will grab the RSS file and will certainly won't wait, won't download 05:05.000 --> 05:09.000 anything until it's been updated, which will probably be in an hour later or something. 05:10.500 --> 05:17.500 You know have their iPod are set for twice a day so yeah then then you're not gonna you know you're not gonna catch the you're not gonna get the show. 05:17.500 --> 05:23.500 So I'm gonna try and publish simultaneously because I also have a feeling that maybe some of these feeds are. 05:27.000 --> 05:28.000 And people are just missing out. 05:28.000 --> 05:31.000 So it's something we just got to be aware of. 05:31.000 --> 05:33.000 Same goes for trade secrets. 05:33.000 --> 05:38.000 If I post the show, then I can post a link to it, but Dave has to manually put in the 05:38.000 --> 05:39.000 enclosure URL. 05:39.000 --> 05:43.000 So that's stuff that we got to fix, but it is actually affecting the network. 05:43.000 --> 05:45.000 Our broadcast network is affected somewhat by this. 05:48.000 --> 05:50.000 So, forgot to say thank god it's Friday. 05:50.000 --> 05:54.000 It's going to be pretty, you know, slow day for me here. 05:55.000 --> 05:58.000 I just catching up on some stuff here at the castle. 05:58.000 --> 06:03.000 And then tonight at eight o'clock, Patricia and I are off to Jolio Blighty. 06:03.000 --> 06:06.000 We're going to fly to London City. 06:06.000 --> 06:10.000 And from there, we're going to drive to our future home. 06:11.000 --> 06:14.000 And we're going to spend the weekend measuring, you know, 06:14.000 --> 06:17.000 kicking the trees, kicking the tires, looking around the neighborhood. 06:18.000 --> 06:21.000 Christina's going to stay with her grandparents. 06:21.000 --> 06:24.000 And oh, and by the way, we'll be alone. 06:25.000 --> 06:28.000 So don't expect me to do any podcasting over the weekend. 06:28.000 --> 06:30.000 Yeah, I'll be podcasting, podcasting something else. 06:32.000 --> 06:36.000 Anyway, I'm going to play a song for you to kind of get into the mood for this Friday. 06:36.000 --> 06:39.000 As I was watching the debate last night, I thought to myself, you know, 06:39.000 --> 06:43.000 all this conversation about Iraq and the war in Iraq. 06:43.000 --> 06:46.000 And if you look in the Stevie Wonder's Villa, Get It Gela, 06:46.000 --> 06:49.000 a ghetto village ghetto. 06:49.500 --> 06:55.500 land then if you live there you probably wonder dude it doesn't matter who's 06:55.500 --> 07:03.500 president I might have to go it's a JPL remix of Stevie Wonder's below get it 07:03.500 --> 07:06.500 land I really it's a little bit long it's about six minutes if you want to 07:06.500 --> 07:08.500 skip through it but 07:13.750 --> 12:56.250 [ Music ] 13:00.000 --> 13:01.000 remix of Village Ghetto. 13:03.000 --> 13:05.000 Friday, October 1st, 2004. 13:05.000 --> 13:09.000 If you want to hear more of that, more JPL remixes, more cool remixes, there's a real 13:09.000 --> 13:12.000 remix scene here in the Netherlands. 13:12.000 --> 13:14.000 You can check it out at mixfreaks.org. 13:14.000 --> 13:20.000 Okay, I'm going to go through the mail bag because I got a lot of responses to the previous 13:20.000 --> 13:22.000 show, a couple of things I need to share with you. 13:22.000 --> 13:28.000 First of all, my daughter, Christina, this is interesting. 13:28.000 --> 13:34.000 She's been using a Manila site since, oh God, since, man, I'd have to look at her website, 13:34.000 --> 13:36.000 but it's been for several years. 13:36.000 --> 13:40.000 It's Christina.manilasites.com. 13:40.000 --> 13:46.000 And there's also, she has a domain name that defaults to that, which is the land of the 13:46.000 --> 13:52.000 young and the hopeless.com, which is, that's a song by her favorite band Good Charlotte. 13:52.000 --> 13:57.000 Basically, what she has is a Good Charlotte, that's a band, a Good Charlotte weblog. 13:57.000 --> 14:01.000 And she's a pretty big fan. 14:01.000 --> 14:04.000 And she was poking around and she said, you know, dad, I'd really like a new... 14:04.500 --> 14:11.500 skin on my weblog and of course in the manila and radio world we call skins themes. 14:11.500 --> 14:17.500 And I found one and she found a Brian Bell theme, Collins-Sake. 14:17.500 --> 14:21.500 Was it Collins-Sake is the theme? 14:21.500 --> 14:25.500 And she said, well, you know, can you install that? 14:25.500 --> 14:28.500 And I said, oh, and initially I said, sure I can install that, but then I thought, 14:28.500 --> 14:32.500 wait a minute, she's not on one of my servers, she's on the manila site server. 14:32.500 --> 14:36.500 And I said, well, really, you know, that's not being supported anymore, 14:36.500 --> 14:40.500 or it's up and it's being supported, but I don't think they're doing any more support. 14:41.500 --> 14:44.500 So you probably have to move it over to one of my servers and she's like, yeah, 14:44.500 --> 14:47.500 but I'll lose the manila sites.com domain name and all this stuff. 14:49.500 --> 14:53.500 Okay, here's the plea to anyone who's at userland who's listening. 14:53.500 --> 14:57.500 If you want to do me a solid, if you could install that theme on manilasites.com, that 14:57.500 --> 14:58.500 would be greatly appreciated. 14:58.500 --> 15:05.500 If not, then I'll have to convince Christina that it's time to move domains. 15:05.500 --> 15:11.500 I met at the first BloggerCon, so that was two BloggerCon's ago, if you count the 15:11.500 --> 15:12.500 upcoming one November 6th. 15:12.500 --> 15:21.500 I met Gregory Blake and his weblog is at, let me see, 15:21.500 --> 15:28.500 ezunes.com, so it's www.ezoness.com. 15:28.500 --> 15:31.500 And nice guy. 15:31.500 --> 15:38.500 We had dinner together with a whole bunch of people after the BloggerCon. 15:38.500 --> 15:43.500 We went into a chatting and we've exchanged email once in a while. 15:43.500 --> 15:45.500 And I was hoping that this would happen. 15:45.500 --> 15:49.500 And I even emailed Gregory and said, ah, you're the angel I've been waiting for. 15:49.500 --> 15:50.500 Gregory says. 15:51.000 --> 16:00.000 I've been checking out iPodder, using it, really liking it, but realized that really the organization 16:00.000 --> 16:04.000 of the information on iPodder.org just doesn't give me enough. 16:04.000 --> 16:07.000 I think Gregory is very much a user. 16:07.000 --> 16:10.000 He might be more of a developer than I know, but it doesn't really matter. 16:10.000 --> 16:17.000 And he's offered to be the curator of all things iPodder on iPodder.org, and I could 16:17.000 --> 16:21.000 not be happier because I'm just swamped in the information. 16:21.000 --> 16:24.000 I really need someone to sift through it and do that for us. 16:24.000 --> 16:29.000 So I'm going to set up some stuff for Gregory and then hopefully, well, not this weekend 16:29.000 --> 16:32.000 because I'll be busy in the UK, but Monday he'll be able to get started. 16:32.000 --> 16:37.000 And we can start cleaning some of that stuff up, pointing to the right applications, the 16:37.000 --> 16:44.000 right spots, because we have at least three Windows clients for iPodder coming out in 16:44.000 --> 16:51.000 the next couple of days, a couple of which are already available working and it's just 16:51.000 --> 16:52.000 like down. 16:52.500 --> 16:55.500 to install and GUI stuff, which is the most important thing, 16:55.500 --> 16:56.500 is how does it look? 16:56.500 --> 16:57.500 I've seen some screenshots. 16:57.500 --> 16:59.500 Andrew, Bromina's working on it. 17:01.500 --> 17:05.500 There's of course that wonderful plugin for 17:08.500 --> 17:09.500 oh, what is it? 17:09.500 --> 17:12.500 Show me, gosh, I can't even remember now. 17:13.500 --> 17:15.500 Show me what's on. 17:15.500 --> 17:16.500 Oh, there's a link to it from iPodder.org 17:16.500 --> 17:19.500 but they also do iPodder functionality. 17:19.500 --> 17:20.500 That's working. 17:21.500 --> 17:23.500 It's embedded in a different application. 17:23.500 --> 17:26.500 But, well, there you go, even I'm confused. 17:26.500 --> 17:29.500 So Gregory is gonna start helping us out 17:29.500 --> 17:31.500 and I could not be happier. 17:31.500 --> 17:35.500 And remember I was complaining about my mac.com email 17:38.500 --> 17:41.500 and also not just the email but also my iDisk. 17:41.500 --> 17:44.500 So I've kind of reached, I find this, 17:44.500 --> 17:46.500 finally was an email that came out from the 17:51.000 --> 17:58.000 comes with 250 megabytes of Mac dot Mac mail and iDisk storage but to thank you for your 17:59.000 --> 18:04.000 for your patronage we're going to increase your total storage to one gigabyte for the duration 18:04.000 --> 18:10.000 of your membership and so this is what kind of pissed me off so clearly they were upgrading all 18:10.000 --> 18:14.000 these accounts and that screwed screwed stuff up because I could see it I could see my iDisk 18:14.000 --> 18:20.000 saying you have no space available when I knew that I had plenty of space available so a 18:20.000 --> 18:24.000 they didn't notify us that they were doing this they did it during the day of 18:24.000 --> 18:27.000 course you know wherever you in the world it's going to be during the day sometime 18:27.000 --> 18:32.000 but it seems like they did it during the the United States day which is probably 18:32.000 --> 18:37.000 not too smart and and and it's not like email didn't wasn't arriving in my 18:37.000 --> 18:40.000 account it was bouncing was actually being returned to people you know saying 18:40.000 --> 18:46.000 sorry we can't reach this this guy's mailbox is full which it's embarrassing 18:46.000 --> 18:51.000 really I got a lot of people laughing at me saying I used to you dick you know 18:52.500 --> 18:56.500 which is it's a very geekish thing and sticks and stones etc. 18:56.500 --> 18:59.500 But still, you know, they embarrassed me as a customer. 18:59.500 --> 19:06.500 On top of that, I had just purchased an additional 100 megabytes of disk storage 19:06.500 --> 19:09.500 because I saw the errors. I'm like, well I only have 200 messages. 19:09.500 --> 19:12.500 I don't think it's filled up, but anyway I'll buy another 100 megs. 19:12.500 --> 19:18.500 And I also bought the 1 gigabyte disk storage to put up some of these shows 19:18.500 --> 19:22.500 to even out some of the bandwidth and also quite honestly to see how it worked 19:22.500 --> 19:24.500 and for testing purposes. 19:24.500 --> 19:29.500 And I paid for it and I'm sure somewhere in their system 19:29.500 --> 19:32.500 they're going to refund me that now that I basically 19:33.000 --> 19:36.000 It's not like I have two gigabytes all of a sudden waiting for me. 19:36.000 --> 19:43.000 And I can work all of that out with them, but man, for them to announce on their site saying, 19:43.000 --> 19:47.000 oh, we upgraded and a few people had some mail issues. 19:47.000 --> 19:51.000 Well, if it was only a few people, could you please send those few people an email and 19:51.000 --> 19:53.000 say we're sorry? 19:53.000 --> 19:55.000 That's all I wanted. 19:55.000 --> 19:59.000 I'm still going to use your service, but this pisses me off. 19:59.000 --> 20:01.000 Just I'm a customer. 20:01.000 --> 20:02.000 I'm paying you real money. 20:02.000 --> 20:03.000 Please. 20:03.000 --> 20:07.000 And now I'm going to suck all your bandwidth by putting all my shit on my 20:07.000 --> 20:10.000 podcast on my I-disc. 20:10.000 --> 20:13.000 See what we run into there. 20:13.000 --> 20:17.000 See, got a request from Anthony for more Durewood douche. 20:17.000 --> 20:18.000 I already played a song today. 20:18.000 --> 20:21.000 I'll play Durewood douche on the next. 20:21.000 --> 20:22.000 I do have an whole album. 20:22.000 --> 20:25.000 Remember that was the song everybody's fucking but me. 20:27.000 --> 20:28.000 Let me see. 20:28.000 --> 20:29.000 Oh, yes. 20:29.000 --> 20:34.000 The stomach bouncer bit that I played on the last source code. 20:34.500 --> 20:39.500 podcast. This also comes from Anthony, says the comedian telling the joke was Jim Brewer. 20:39.500 --> 20:43.500 He used to be on Saturday Night Live, currently he's touring the States with his own show. 20:43.500 --> 20:49.500 So there you go. Very good show, clearly. What else did we have? I have a couple of 20:49.500 --> 20:56.500 comments I need to go through here. Oh yeah. Well, thanks everybody for responding to 20:56.500 --> 21:01.500 my Mac problems. I told you my Mac was sick. By the way, the swan did die and it 21:01.500 --> 21:09.500 was sad and we did have to put our dog down. That was also all yesterday. 21:09.500 --> 21:16.500 That wasn't fun. Oh, there's my wife. Yes, dear. 21:16.500 --> 21:17.500 Okay. 21:17.500 --> 21:20.500 I already had some cereal. 21:20.500 --> 21:23.500 That's Patricia saying, you're fucking podcasting. 21:23.500 --> 21:24.500 You have to eat before you do this stuff. 21:24.500 --> 21:25.500 I did. 21:25.500 --> 21:26.500 I did. 21:26.500 --> 21:30.500 So I told you about Mac was really sick and it was really, it was on the ropes and the 21:30.500 --> 21:35.500 finder was doing funky stuff and the doc was doing funky stuff and it seemed like it 21:35.500 --> 21:37.500 was really, you know, crunching along on numbers. 21:37.500 --> 21:41.500 And I tried everything that you could imagine from repairing disk permissions to cleaning 21:41.500 --> 21:45.500 out caches and setting up PRAM and desktop rebuilding. 21:45.500 --> 21:49.500 I've been doing that for 15 years with Macs. 21:49.500 --> 21:53.500 And then a couple of people said, you know, basically what you got to do is you 21:53.500 --> 21:55.500 just got to reinstall your system software. 21:55.500 --> 21:57.500 And I, that's not what I wanted to hear. 21:57.500 --> 22:00.500 I was like, oh, please. 22:00.500 --> 22:04.500 But I bit the bullet since I was in Amsterdam anyway. 22:04.500 --> 22:07.500 And actually, I don't have to say it was a very pleasurable experience. 22:07.500 --> 22:11.500 I thought it was really going to suck because typically when you do something 22:11.500 --> 22:15.500 with your system, all your preferences are hosed and, you know, applications disappear 22:15.500 --> 22:17.500 and connections that you've made. 22:18.000 --> 22:19.000 with stuff doesn't work. 22:19.000 --> 22:22.000 So with OS X, I just followed the instructions, 22:22.000 --> 22:27.000 just put in the booted from the startup, from the install CD. 22:27.000 --> 22:29.000 It noticed that I had OS X on it. 22:29.000 --> 22:34.000 It said, look, you do want to keep all your system folder 22:34.000 --> 22:35.000 and reinstall a fresh copy. 22:35.000 --> 22:38.000 We're going to rename that system folder to previous system. 22:38.000 --> 22:42.000 You'll have all your stuff still there. 22:42.000 --> 22:44.000 And although the one little tricky bit 22:44.000 --> 22:47.000 is it also then wants to install another. 22:49.500 --> 22:56.500 iChat, iCal, and iTunes and I deselected those because I knew that I already had up-to-date versions 22:57.500 --> 23:03.500 Not only that I purchased the iLife 04 package so I didn't want garage band or anything being messed up 23:03.500 --> 23:07.500 So I just deselected those did the install it went through the whole thing 23:08.500 --> 23:10.500 Beautifully rebooted came up 23:11.500 --> 23:18.500 My desktop looked exactly the same that the computer seemed completely responsive that you know that fan wasn't spinning disk was calm 23:18.500 --> 23:24.500 And then of course had to download about a hundred and fifty megabytes of system updates 23:24.500 --> 23:28.500 Which it does all put it's not like you get you know 18 different security packages 23:28.500 --> 23:31.500 Just one big macOS update and then you get a couple more 23:31.500 --> 23:37.500 Along the way so that takes another probably about another hour of everything to download and install and it was great 23:37.500 --> 23:39.500 the only thing that I've had to 23:39.500 --> 23:47.500 Reinstall was the soundflower sound drivers because those do sit actually in your system folder everything else was I mean all the 23:47.500 --> 23:49.500 Scripts I have running 23:49.500 --> 23:51.500 everything 23:51.000 --> 23:57.000 works. And I've kept the previous system folder which is about 4 gigs of God knows what. 23:57.000 --> 24:02.000 Just in case I need something, but so far it's... no, I'm extremely happy everything's working 24:02.000 --> 24:06.000 and yeah, knock on wood for Murphy there. 24:06.000 --> 24:12.000 So thank you very much for advising that and I certainly advise anyone who's using a 24:12.000 --> 24:17.000 Mac if it really starts to act up and it's getting kind of crappy, you can easily do 24:17.000 --> 24:20.000 this system reinstall. It won't kill you. 24:20.000 --> 24:27.000 See I got an update from Martin Fenroy, that's on the iPodder Windows. 24:27.000 --> 24:30.000 Actually this is iPodder for Windows and Mac and Linux. 24:30.000 --> 24:35.000 What do we have on Win32? This is just some stuff that's coming up. 24:35.000 --> 24:39.000 System tray icon with different states, nice interfaces cross... 24:42.000 --> 24:46.000 everyone's working on this stuff. I mean, I have 40 messages on the iPod or dev list 24:46.000 --> 24:52.000 that I haven't even read yet. This is absolutely phenomenal. And I also said, the other day 24:52.000 --> 24:54.000 we were talking about Python as I was talking about how... 24:55.500 --> 25:02.500 And I thought that Python was a Dutch invention and indeed Eric De Jong was sent me a mail 25:02.500 --> 25:10.500 and he says Python was conceived at the Free University of Amsterdam by a Dutch guy who's 25:10.500 --> 25:12.500 been living in the States for a couple of years by now. 25:12.500 --> 25:13.500 So that's cool. 25:13.500 --> 25:14.500 I didn't know that. 25:14.500 --> 25:18.500 Well, I did kind of know it, but it was nice to have the confirmation. 25:18.500 --> 25:20.500 It's something to be proud of. 25:20.500 --> 25:21.500 Yes, dear. 25:22.500 --> 25:23.500 Oh. 25:23.500 --> 25:24.500 Huh? 25:24.500 --> 25:27.500 Yeah, you're walking into my studio. 25:27.500 --> 25:31.500 So then you have to tell me what you're doing here. 25:31.500 --> 25:32.500 Your telephone. 25:32.500 --> 25:33.500 Okay. 25:33.500 --> 25:35.500 I had the goats. 25:35.500 --> 25:36.500 You're going to the goats? 25:36.500 --> 25:39.500 Okay, and the chickens. 25:39.500 --> 25:43.500 And you need your phone when you go to the goats and the chickens? 25:43.500 --> 25:44.500 Yeah. 25:44.500 --> 25:47.500 You're never going to have to go to my meetings. 25:47.500 --> 25:51.500 On that note, everybody, let me see. 25:51.500 --> 25:54.500 I had something else queued up for you here that I wanted to play for you. 25:54.500 --> 25:55.500 Oh, yeah. 25:55.500 --> 25:56.500 Bumper. 25:57.000 --> 26:02.000 Morgan, that name may not ring a bell, but you'll remember Dr. Day from Las Vegas and 26:02.000 --> 26:03.000 Bumper Morgan. 26:03.000 --> 26:08.000 That's not his name I know because he's another big time radio guy from way back. 26:08.000 --> 26:14.000 And I think I've met him at like some river fest in Nashville when I was hawking my syndicated 26:14.000 --> 26:16.000 countdown show. 26:16.000 --> 26:18.000 And he said, hey Adam, how you doing? 26:18.000 --> 26:24.000 Heard you a bit about MP3s and it turns out that Bumper, a while back, I love this 26:24.000 --> 26:26.000 name, Bumper Morgan everybody. 26:26.000 --> 26:32.000 Bumper had put together a bit about the history of MP3s and he sent me a link to it and I'm 26:32.000 --> 26:33.000 going to play that for you. 26:33.000 --> 26:36.000 Now it's about, let me see, it's got interviews in here. 26:36.000 --> 26:37.000 It's, I haven't really... 26:39.000 --> 26:43.000 I didn't want to listen to the whole thing first so it's going to be kind of a surprise. 26:43.000 --> 26:47.000 It really sucks I'll cut it off but from what I heard the first couple of minutes it sounded 26:47.000 --> 26:48.000 like it was going to be really interesting. 26:48.000 --> 26:54.000 So it's part of promotion for Bumper but it's also a history of MP3s from a Radio Guys 26:54.000 --> 26:59.000 perspective which of course is always fun to listen to and it's also good because 26:59.000 --> 27:02.000 there's a lot of what we're doing with this podcasting. 27:02.000 --> 27:04.000 Okay so let's hit this and I'll talk to you in about 8 minutes. 27:04.000 --> 27:07.000 This is the history of MP3 from Bumper Morgan. 27:09.000 --> 27:13.000 In 1994, there's been a revolution going on in the radio industry. 27:13.000 --> 27:18.000 Radio stations can receive their product at net speed with bumper production. 27:18.000 --> 27:20.000 So revolution! 27:31.500 --> 27:37.500 for the consumer. It just means a great way to store great large amounts of audio on a very small 27:37.500 --> 27:41.500 amount of space. You can put 100 songs on a CD and that's a wonderful thing. 27:41.500 --> 27:46.500 Bob Ellison from Centrillion Software, the makers of Cool Edit Pro. 27:46.500 --> 27:49.500 We've got new products coming out like the Rio from Diamond Multimedia, 27:49.500 --> 27:55.500 kind of like a Walkman with MP3 on it. And to the audio professional for high-end audio 27:55.500 --> 28:00.500 production, MP3 means that you can trade audio at a very high quality across the internet. 28:00.500 --> 28:03.500 This is something that really wasn't possible before because audio takes up so much room. 28:04.500 --> 28:08.500 And so the quality level and the compression that we've achieved has made a great difference. 28:08.500 --> 28:13.500 And of course in radio, the big difference is being able to trade actual broadcast quality 28:13.500 --> 28:18.500 samples right across the internet over email, over the web, and the other methods that we're also 28:18.500 --> 28:23.500 used to today on the internet. Research for MP3 really began in the late 1970s with a group of 28:27.000 --> 28:30.000 at the University of Erlangen in Germany. 28:30.000 --> 28:37.000 It has taken a long time, I think, to arrive at the level of MP3, what we have today. 28:37.000 --> 28:41.000 And I think it was a collaboration of really a team. 28:41.000 --> 28:47.000 We started back at the end of the 70s, 28:47.000 --> 28:52.000 and I made a research proposal to a research organization 28:52.000 --> 28:59.000 to transmit audio via telephone lines 28:59.000 --> 29:05.000 with the ISDN 64 kilobit per second data rate. 29:05.000 --> 29:09.000 But this was considered at that time to be impossible. 29:09.000 --> 29:14.000 I even had the idea together with a colleague to file a patent. 29:14.000 --> 29:21.000 But the guy at the patent office refused to file it as a patent 29:21.000 --> 29:26.000 because he again said that it's impossible according to the state of the knowledge. 29:26.000 --> 29:31.000 And then I asked a young PhD student, 29:28.500 --> 29:34.500 student at that time, this was Karlheinz Brandenburg, who is now the world-leading expert in that 29:34.500 --> 29:35.500 area. 29:35.500 --> 29:46.500 I asked him to make a simulation on his computer about 64 kilobit per second music audio coding. 29:46.500 --> 29:48.500 This was the star. 29:48.500 --> 29:56.500 He tried it and after four weeks we could listen to some seconds of coded audio and 29:56.500 --> 29:57.500 the quality was not. 30:00.000 --> 30:05.000 Isn't that interesting that some guy at the patent office refused to take the patent for MP3 because he said it's just not 30:07.500 --> 30:12.500 Whoever that guy is, give him a medal. 30:12.500 --> 30:20.500 And from there we started to really work seriously on it and we started with what at that time 30:20.500 --> 30:27.500 was called transform coding, which essentially was to bring the signal from the time domain 30:27.500 --> 30:38.500 in the frequency domain. And then we immediately had the idea to imitate the properties of the human ear, 30:39.500 --> 30:52.500 the human sense of listening, and to omit those parts of the signal which could not be heard by 30:53.500 --> 31:00.500 by the listener, by the human ear. And this I think this was what was called at that time 31:02.500 --> 31:07.500 irrelevant. And irrelevant is just a part of the message which the receiver 31:09.000 --> 31:24.000 cannot receive and cannot hear in the case of the ear or if any other receiver cannot perceive at all. 31:24.000 --> 31:33.000 So I think this was very good to do in the frequency domain because we had the sensitivity curve of the ear 31:33.000 --> 31:40.000 and with this sensitivity curve we could determine the amount of information, the number of data, 31:40.000 --> 31:48.000 the number of bits we needed in each critical band, which the acoustic people they know what critical bands are. 31:48.000 --> 31:56.000 And then we had a clear understanding how many bits we would need and we started to measure with real music this data. 31:56.000 --> 32:05.000 And at the same time we were working in the field of electronics and we were very strong in developing not only in relation techniques 32:05.000 --> 32:11.000 but signal processing and we started to build bits like this. 32:10.500 --> 32:18.500 Then we saw that with symbol algorithm for the frequency transform, we could do it in real 32:18.500 --> 32:19.500 time. 32:19.500 --> 32:23.500 As soon as we had this, this was in 87. 32:23.500 --> 32:24.500 Then MPEG started. 32:24.500 --> 32:33.500 We made a demonstration to the MPEG group under the another Kiraleone. 32:33.500 --> 32:39.500 The people were enthusiastic about what we had achieved. 32:39.500 --> 32:41.500 Then we went on. 32:41.500 --> 32:49.500 There was a European research project, what was called BAB, Digital Audio Broadcasting. 32:49.500 --> 32:58.500 In this project, we developed I think the concept of perceptual coding. 32:58.500 --> 33:07.500 In the meantime, also, Hans Brandenburg, he had been with the Bell laboratories and talking 33:12.000 --> 33:18.000 gentleman whose name is Johnson. I think he's all famous in perceptual coding. And so we developed 33:18.000 --> 33:29.000 step by step through the level that is represented by MP3 today, which is a step by step refinement 33:29.000 --> 33:31.000 of the original techniques. 33:33.000 --> 33:38.000 From there, the Fraunhofer Institute in Munich, licenses the MPEG codex. 33:38.000 --> 33:43.000 We started with the Fraunhofer Institute in 1985. 33:43.000 --> 33:50.000 This was the foundation of the Fraunhofer Institute because before we did it at the university only. 33:50.000 --> 33:56.000 And the Fraunhofer Institute did start it with the real-time implementation. 33:56.000 --> 34:01.000 And it was their first contribution to do it in real-time. 34:01.000 --> 34:09.000 It was done in 1987 where other people did the simulation 34:09.000 --> 34:16.000 and could present about 10 to 20 seconds of music which they had done simulations on for hours. 34:16.000 --> 34:19.000 And we were able to do it in real-time. 34:19.000 --> 34:26.000 And I think this was a big breakthrough because then you could demonstrate to everybody, you know, 34:26.000 --> 34:35.000 and you could go to evaluations and present it and everybody could bring his CD along with him. 34:34.500 --> 34:37.500 and they will play it through so I can listen to your... 34:39.000 --> 34:42.000 And I think this was really the breakthrough 34:42.000 --> 34:44.000 that we could do it in real time. 34:44.000 --> 34:45.000 And they are convinced of people, 34:45.000 --> 34:48.000 and you could do a lot of experiments 34:48.000 --> 34:52.000 with a lot of different pieces of music, 34:52.000 --> 34:54.000 and you were able to convince the people. 34:54.000 --> 34:56.000 Then, tell those systems into the fray 34:56.000 --> 34:59.000 with their new real-time product. 34:59.000 --> 35:01.000 The Zephyr was the first commercial product 35:01.000 --> 35:03.000 to incorporate MP3. 35:03.000 --> 35:05.000 And ever since it came out in 1994, 35:05.000 --> 35:07.000 broadcasters have been really impressed 35:07.000 --> 35:09.000 with both its audio quality and its convenience. 35:09.000 --> 35:12.000 Kevin Tam of Colo's System. 35:12.000 --> 35:13.000 It really makes the remote sound like... 35:15.000 --> 35:20.000 And more often than they care to think, the Zephyr has filled in as a backup to other transmissions. 35:20.000 --> 35:24.000 It's also caught on for use by voiceover talent and also for mix approval. 35:24.000 --> 35:26.000 The power of MP3 is really awesome. 35:26.000 --> 35:34.000 And just like analog tapes, when you make too many doves of MP3 files, your product will suffer from generation loss. 35:34.000 --> 35:38.000 Well, one of the things to remember about MP3 is that it is a lossy format. 35:38.000 --> 35:43.000 Lossy means that when you encode to that format, you lose a little bit of fidelity of the audio. 35:43.000 --> 35:51.000 And MP3 is so good because you don't lose the pieces of the audio that are most important to making it sound just as good as it was in the original. 35:51.000 --> 36:00.000 But it is a keep in mind because when you're encoding to MP3, let's say you take a file and you encode it, and then you decode it, and you encode it again, 36:00.000 --> 36:03.000 and then you decode it to wave again, and you encode it again. 36:03.000 --> 36:09.000 With each iteration of this encoding process and decoding process, you lose more of the fidelity of the audio. 36:09.000 --> 36:17.000 And all that means is that we have to think of MP3 as a target format, a sort of a one-way street ideally, and use... 36:16.500 --> 36:19.500 This is ENCODE 2 MP3 when you're done with your audio and you know you were ready to submit 36:19.500 --> 36:23.500 it for broadcast or archive it or what have you. 36:23.500 --> 36:26.500 The time has come. 36:28.500 --> 36:31.500 to downloadable promos and buffers at the speed of net. 36:31.500 --> 36:33.500 So, roll-o-sh! 36:36.000 --> 36:43.000 The most excellent bumper Morgan. Thank you very much for that history. I had no idea 36:43.000 --> 36:51.000 So now we know that mp3 was is a fine German invention and that if some lonely guy at at the patent office 36:51.000 --> 36:55.000 I've zoomed in Germany if he hadn't said I do live on assist me 36:55.000 --> 37:00.000 I'm going to be a patient application 37:00.000 --> 37:02.000 Come back another day 37:02.000 --> 37:08.000 They weren't for that we might have been bogged down with tremendous boy wouldn't have and we probably wouldn't have mp3 37:08.000 --> 37:10.000 You know wouldn't be able to use it 37:10.000 --> 37:13.000 So thank you very much to that guy. That was fun listening to that actually 37:14.000 --> 37:21.000 And I didn't know well conceptually I guess I figured if you keep re-recording mp3s then eventually you get degradation 37:24.000 --> 37:28.000 Haven't noticed too much of that although if this mp3 is an example because this did come from an mp3 37:28.000 --> 37:30.000 Well, then it's true because that's not pretty 37:31.500 --> 37:37.500 up. But usually when I play first run stuff from someone else's podcast, it sounds pretty 37:37.500 --> 37:41.500 good depending on the encoding. That may also have to do with... Well, I don't know because 37:41.500 --> 37:47.500 I am setting this digitally through my sound system. I have no idea. I have no idea. So 37:47.500 --> 37:51.500 obviously there's going to be degradation, something we've got to keep an eye on if 37:51.500 --> 37:52.500 we're doing too much overdubbing. 37:52.500 --> 37:56.500 Now, let me see. I have two... Well, we're at 37 minutes. I missed the show yesterday, 37:56.500 --> 38:00.500 so I guess we can go a little bit long. There's two things I wanted to do. I have a 38:00.500 --> 38:04.500 bit of an audio book I wanted to let you hear. I've finally gotten around to 38:04.500 --> 38:10.500 listening to Snow Crash, a Snow Crash written by Neil Stevenson. Now, I've read 38:10.500 --> 38:14.500 this book in the early, early 90s, so I'm going to say that it's probably from 38:14.500 --> 38:19.500 the late 80s. And listening to it, of course, brings back the book. It was 38:19.500 --> 38:24.500 a pretty significant book. At one point, I even registered Metaverse.com, 38:24.500 --> 38:27.500 with Neil Stevenson's approval as long as I didn't put it on T-shirts and coffee mugs. 38:28.500 --> 38:32.500 And unfortunately, that went in with the sale of my company. 38:33.000 --> 38:34.000 company that was a part of the assets. 38:34.000 --> 38:35.000 Damn. 38:35.000 --> 38:38.000 I still would have liked to have Adam at Mediverse.com. 38:38.000 --> 38:39.000 We even had machines. 38:39.000 --> 38:40.000 If you've read the book, we had a machine. 38:43.500 --> 38:48.500 pretty into it. When we started the company, it was Carl Jacobs who turned me on to that. 38:48.500 --> 38:53.500 He used to work for Sun. Carl and his brother Chris, they were out in San Francisco hacking 38:53.500 --> 39:00.500 away at the black Sun machine for the metaverse. Good days. In fact, I remember pushing audio 39:00.500 --> 39:07.500 through at the time when we had just gotten the 96K modem and through the PC, the PC 39:13.500 --> 39:18.500 M codec, I was able to receive audio coming from San Francisco through the 39:18.500 --> 39:25.500 Sun machine over the internet. At the time I had a regular 56K dial-up modem, 39:25.500 --> 39:32.500 US robotics, I think. Those were the days. Anyway, so Snow Crash, really in its, as 39:32.500 --> 39:35.500 with all science fiction, it's always fun to look back and say, okay, so how much 39:35.500 --> 39:37.500 really came to me. 39:39.000 --> 39:46.000 And I guess when this book was written, Cable was a big deal. 39:46.000 --> 39:48.000 Cable came up in the 80s of course. 39:48.000 --> 39:53.000 That's what I have a lot of my fame and fortune to thank for, is MTV being in over 40 million 39:53.000 --> 39:55.000 households. 39:55.000 --> 40:01.000 And in the book, and it's too complicated to get into everything, but there's a cable 40:01.000 --> 40:02.000 television mogul. 40:02.000 --> 40:05.000 And I'm just going to play a little bit of him. 40:05.000 --> 40:07.000 And by the way, this book isn't just one reader. 40:07.000 --> 40:08.000 It's multiple voices. 40:08.000 --> 40:10.000 It's some sound effects in there. 40:10.000 --> 40:12.000 It's just really well done. 40:12.000 --> 40:16.000 But to hear these words that were written way before we were really thinking about 40:16.000 --> 40:24.000 any of this, before really the commercial internet happened, which at the time, 40:24.000 --> 40:28.000 yeah, I mean it was the World Wide Web was just, yeah, we just had the mosaic 40:28.000 --> 40:29.000 browser when I read the book. 40:29.000 --> 40:31.000 So it came out before then. 40:31.000 --> 40:37.000 The foresight really of what monopolists were going to do with communications, 40:37.000 --> 40:40.000 telecommunications, and technology is already all. 40:40.500 --> 40:45.500 over this book. Now hopefully I've bookmarked it appropriately. You can do that with the 40:45.500 --> 40:52.500 AAC format. And this should be the piece of him, of the cable television mogul who has 40:52.500 --> 40:58.500 a Texas twang of him talking about, well just shooting the breeze. So this is from 40:58.500 --> 41:02.500 Snow Crash. The unabridged version is from part one. In total it's about 17 hours 41:02.500 --> 41:10.500 of audio. Very well read. Very good quality. And I think totally enthralling from 41:10.500 --> 41:12.500 beginning to end. 41:13.500 --> 41:15.500 Okay, that should have started. 41:15.500 --> 41:22.500 El Bob Reif, Lord of Bandwidth, is sitting behind his desk having his mustache waxed. 41:22.500 --> 41:25.500 Not in the sense that women have their legs waxed. 41:25.500 --> 41:28.500 He's having the curls smoothed out and restored. 41:28.500 --> 41:33.500 The waxer is a very short Asian woman who does it so delicately that it doesn't even 41:33.500 --> 41:38.500 interfere with his talking, mostly about his efforts to extend his cable TV network throughout 41:38.500 --> 41:43.500 Korea and into China, and link it up with his big fiber optic trunk line that runs across 41:43.500 --> 41:46.500 Siberia and over the Urals. 41:46.500 --> 41:50.500 Yeah, you know, a monopolist's work is never done. 41:50.500 --> 41:53.500 No such thing as a perfect monopoly. 41:53.500 --> 41:58.500 Seems like you can never get that last one-tenth of one percent. 41:58.500 --> 42:00.500 Isn't the government still strong in Korea? 42:00.500 --> 42:03.500 You must have more trouble with regulations there. 42:03.500 --> 42:05.500 El Bob Reif laughs. 42:05.500 --> 42:12.500 You know, watching government regulators trying to keep up with the world is my favorite sport. 42:12.500 --> 42:14.500 Remember when they busted up Ma Bell? 42:15.000 --> 42:19.000 Just barely. The reporters are women in her 20s. 42:19.000 --> 42:23.000 You know what it was, right? Voice communications monopoly. 42:23.000 --> 42:28.000 Right. They were in the same business as me. The information business. 42:28.000 --> 42:33.000 Moving phone conversations around on little tiny copper wires one at a time. 42:33.000 --> 42:41.000 Government busted them up. At the same time when I was starting cable TV franchises in 30 states. 42:41.000 --> 42:50.000 Can you believe that? It's like if they figured out a way to regulate horses at the same time the Model T and the airplane were being introduced. 42:51.000 --> 42:54.000 And a cable TV system isn't the same as a phone system. 42:54.000 --> 42:56.000 At that stage it wasn't. 42:56.000 --> 42:59.000 Because it was just a local system. 42:59.000 --> 43:05.000 But once you get local systems all over the world, all you gotta do is hook them together 43:05.000 --> 43:07.000 and it's a global network. 43:07.000 --> 43:10.000 Just as big as the phone system. 43:10.000 --> 43:14.000 Except this one carries information 10,000 times faster. 43:14.000 --> 43:20.000 It carries images, sound, data, you name it. 43:20.000 --> 43:27.000 So eventually of course we know what happened is we got the internet and Neil Stevenson at all. 43:31.500 --> 43:33.500 goggles and you walk around in it. 43:33.500 --> 43:34.500 Great book. 43:34.500 --> 43:38.500 I really recommend it if you are going on vacation on a really long drive and you won't 43:38.500 --> 43:39.500 regret it. 43:39.500 --> 43:40.500 You do have to stop at certain points. 43:40.500 --> 43:46.500 It just gets so intense and the visuals that are being created is like, oh, I don't know, 43:46.500 --> 43:49.500 that's technically possible. 43:49.500 --> 43:51.500 But yeah, totally, totally good book. 43:51.500 --> 43:56.500 I bought it at audible.com, but I'm sure you can get it just about anywhere. 43:56.500 --> 43:57.500 Okay. 43:57.500 --> 43:58.500 One more bit then. 43:58.500 --> 44:00.500 I've been through the blog digger media feed. 44:00.500 --> 44:06.500 There's been lots of mixes of, and I kind of like listening to most of them, of soundbites, 44:06.500 --> 44:09.500 presidential debates, stuff like that. 44:09.500 --> 44:13.500 And so people are kind of creating their own story with the tools that we're all using 44:13.500 --> 44:15.500 today, just desktop tools. 44:15.500 --> 44:21.500 This isn't really one of the best ones and you'll have to decide for yourself. 44:21.500 --> 44:23.500 It's only about a minute and a half. 44:23.500 --> 44:26.500 But it's out there and if I don't play it now, it won't make much sense playing 44:26.500 --> 44:29.500 it later on after the election. 44:29.500 --> 44:32.500 So here's, and of course, I don't know who it's from. 44:33.000 --> 44:38.000 It only says Norrell Preff or N-O-Rell Preff maybe. 44:38.000 --> 44:40.000 It's titled Liars and Murderers. 44:40.000 --> 44:42.000 I don't like your name. 44:42.000 --> 44:46.000 The government are um, Liars and Murderers. 44:46.000 --> 44:50.000 I don't like your name. 44:50.000 --> 44:55.000 The government are um, Liars and Murderers. 44:55.000 --> 44:57.000 I despise your masculinity. 44:57.000 --> 45:00.000 Put yourself in your whole fucking plan. 45:00.000 --> 45:02.000 Liars and Murderers. 45:02.000 --> 45:11.000 We will bring the Iraqi people food and medicines and supplies and freedom. 45:13.500 --> 45:15.500 Something for her to play little games. 45:16.500 --> 45:17.500 Players. 45:17.500 --> 45:19.500 We're both part of the same hypocrisy. 45:21.000 --> 45:22.000 And so were we. 45:22.000 --> 45:30.000 In this honest way you pose yourself and try to pass yourselves off as decent Americans. 45:30.000 --> 45:36.000 The Taliban regime in Afghanistan had given Osama bin Laden a base. 45:36.000 --> 45:40.000 Khat bin Laden and the Taliban leader were never caught. 45:40.000 --> 45:44.000 Instead more than 3,000 innocent people were involved to death. 45:44.000 --> 45:47.000 Some people have to play little games. 45:47.000 --> 45:49.000 Players. 45:49.000 --> 45:54.000 America's war on terror is about hypocrisy and double standards. 45:54.000 --> 45:57.000 They don't want the voice of reason spoken folks because otherwise we'd be free. 45:57.000 --> 46:01.000 Otherwise we wouldn't believe their fucking horseshit lies or the fucking propaganda machine 46:01.000 --> 46:04.000 being streamed in by their horseshit products that we don't fucking need 46:04.000 --> 46:08.000 and become a third world consumer fucking plantation which is what we're becoming. 46:08.000 --> 46:09.000 Fuck them. 46:09.000 --> 46:11.000 They're liars and murderers. 46:11.000 --> 46:14.000 All governments are liars and murderers. 46:14.000 --> 46:17.000 I don't like your kind people. 46:17.000 --> 46:18.000 Whoa. 46:18.000 --> 46:21.000 So I get a lot of email people saying, you know, why do you play this stuff? 46:21.000 --> 46:23.000 Do you agree with everything? 46:22.500 --> 46:24.500 We'll say, and no, of course not, not with everything. 46:24.500 --> 46:25.500 I think some of the words are pretty harsh. 46:25.500 --> 46:27.500 Some of them are right on the money. 46:27.500 --> 46:31.500 But this is art, you know, whether it's mixing stuff together 46:31.500 --> 46:33.500 or painting something, you know, throwing oil on a canvas. 46:33.500 --> 46:34.500 It's art. 46:34.500 --> 46:37.500 And I think that as long as we're doing this podcast, 46:37.500 --> 46:40.500 it might as expose as much of it as possible. 46:40.500 --> 46:42.500 All right, I'm going to leave it at that for today's source 46:42.500 --> 46:42.500 code. 46:42.500 --> 46:43.500 What do we do? 46:43.500 --> 46:44.500 We did 46 minutes. 46:44.500 --> 46:44.500 Perfect. 46:44.500 --> 46:46.500 I hope you just finished your. 46:49.500 --> 46:53.500 And I will see you on the next source code which will likely be right after the weekend. 46:57.000 --> 47:01.000 And this was the show, the Daily Source Code for today, which was Friday, October 1st, 47:01.000 --> 47:03.000 2004, as always. 47:12.000 --> 47:21.000 And of course for all the archives in the latest show, it's DailySourceCo.com or... 47:27.000 --> 47:29.000 And that is at DailySourceCo.com. 47:29.000 --> 47:32.000 I hope you enjoyed it. 47:32.000 --> 47:33.000 I'll talk to you soon. 47:33.000 --> 47:34.000 Bye bye.