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Well, good afternoon everybody.
It's Monday. It's October 4th.

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to power all the door is closed.

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And I got a lot of partying to
do, another fabulous weekend,

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although I was actually in the
United Kingdom.

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Trish and I went over to check
out the new house,

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we'll be moving in, oh man, it's
coming up quickly.

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Somewhere around the third week
of November, so this,

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you can imagine there's so much
to do,

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and meanwhile I'm sitting here,

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three quarters of my waking
hours with headphones on,

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talking into microphones,
talking to other people

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by my computer, I have to divide
myself up a little bit more.

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So this is your daily source
code,

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and I've been actually doing
interviews about what we're
doing here,

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podcasting, getting calls from,
particularly from the West Coast
and the States,

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and I'm really excited about
everything that's happening.

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There's so many things I want to
go through today,

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I'm going to try and make the
show a little bit shorter than
the normal.

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I tend on having a guest on the
next source code, which may
even, I might even release

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that right after today's show,
kind of have like a today plus
one.

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Hugo Shotman, I've pointed to
him before and we've spoken
about him as really leading

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a lot of the charge, certainly
in documenting ways of setting
up podcasting software.

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And so I said, you know, why
don't we talk on daily source
code and we'll see if we

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can come up with something.

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I don't know.

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Now, I've been going through
more set up shit and I did
another trade secrets with

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Dave last night.

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Now granted, I was probably a
little bit tired just from
coming back from the

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UK, you know, a little bit of
car travel than flying.

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And it was around 9, 9.30, 10
o'clock my time when we recorded
the show.

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I was so unhappy with the
quality of his sound.

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You know, we've tried just about
everything and the best quality
by far

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of all the different chat.

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that we can use cross-platform
is Skype.

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It's bar none. It's great
quality.

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The latency is, it appears far
lower than anything else.

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Mind you Dave's on Windows and
I'm on a Mac

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and we're just, you know, guys
just want to use something.

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So we're not great
technologists.

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tweaking everything and it seems
that we have almost tweaked
everything but Skype is still

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in beta and it won't let you
choose a virtual audio device at
least not on the Mac.

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So until that's in there it
really isn't 100% what we need
but we're going to continue,

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we're going to try and use Skype
from now on even though it does
once in a while also

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just kind of quit.

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Anyway, so I was really pissed
off about that.

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It just it bothered me so much
and I started to work on new
setups in the meantime.

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I discovered something very
important as we were doing the
show last night, the quality

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of his call degraded
significantly and I couldn't
figure it out and he says
actually we could

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understand him okay but he
couldn't understand me and it's
like what's going on and it

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wasn't until much later that I
realized that I'd become victim
of my own success

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in a way because it was iPodder
that kicked in and started
downloading stuff at whatever

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desig-

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time it was. And that of course
used up all the bandwidth and
crunched the connection.

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So whenever we come up with some
software or something that helps
you record a podcast,

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we need a big old red button
that turns off all iPod activity
because it's like that

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has definitely messed up a lot
of the recording of the show.

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I had a couple of new podcasts
that I wanted to point to and I
have met a resolution

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by the way that when I post a
new daily source code I will
have to put up some

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links on the weblog portion of
it and I'll refer it I guess in
the somewhere in

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the ID3 tags I'll refer to the
promo link of that weblog post
so you should be

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able to find it because there is
just too much stuff you know
going on now and

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there's good stuff that I don't
want to get lost in the shuffle
so I want to

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start creating some some links
to some of these new things.

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I'm seeing how I didn't have
GeekSpeak here.

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I have enough for three shows,
believe me.

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Actually, I'll start off with
this one.

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This one was announced through
the iPod or dev list.

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I'll just play the intro of it
because it's kind of cool.

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It's got some good production
value and I think it's...

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Particularly if we're looking at
the audience that currently is
using iPod

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or I think this will be a show
that's going to fly.

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of missions to explore both
homes.

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figure out what that word is
that shit

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the software lands

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let me just listen to that I get
it

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what is it 5 4 3 2 1 and then
shift

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let's listen to that

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what was that

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1

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shit

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hold on a second

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hi young

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what?

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new?

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okay I'm coming

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alright

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looks like we're gonna have to
pause this recording

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I'll be back in

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a nanosecond for you as I eat my
dinner

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okay most excellent

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that was a nice

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35 minute break had some dinner
and I'm back

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and now everything's almost
actually

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on track I think that in about
15 minutes

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I can

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give Hugo a shot in a call

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and we'll talk to him

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so let's play a couple of things

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before we get to that

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I already played you the program
one there

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the brand new podcast

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Michael Men's

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brand new podcast

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I'll make sure I point to that
in the notes to the source code
for today.

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Something else I found that, and
a lot of this is coming through
on the BlogDigger media feed,

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of course, now that I have
iPodRx 2.0 running on my Mac,
and it's really, it's quite
wonderful.

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I just got to say I love the way
it installs and how it sets
everything up. Although,

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I think that probably something
that all iPod developers could
think about is creating a

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a default feed. It's a feed that
is already in there just to show
the user what even what a

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URL looks like. Hold on a
second, my dog wants the little
dog. Come on, so I'll be back.
Let me go.

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And maybe that's a feed that
only has one small, kind of like
a hello world. Welcome to my
iPodRx

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MP3 audit. So, you know, just
the first experience doesn't
necessarily have to be with a 20
or 30 meg

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download from something like the
day.

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And I got a... what was this
that I found?

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Oh, it was probably an audio
blog post, but it was just kind
of... well, you'll hear it.

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It's interesting how technology,
even though it's supposed to be
so slick, can really,

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really fuck you up when you're
traveling.

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This is titled 10.0238.mp3.

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So don't know where it's coming
from. No.mp3 metadata, but check
it out.

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Hey, good morning. It's 4.20am
and I'm in Des Moines.

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Here's another reason to hate
United.

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When I booked this flight to get
home this morning, I decided to
have it automatically add the
flight to my Outlook calendar.

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So it told me that I was leaving
at 6.12 in the morning.

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The trouble is I'm leaving Des
Moines at 6.12 in the morning,
Denver time, which means I'm
leaving Des Moines at 7.12.

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So I'm here at the airport way
earlier than I need to be and
needless to say.

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I'm a chap that annoyed.

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So that's another way you can
use this kind of technology to
just let us know how you

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Also, it appears that podcasting
is breaking through in other
countries.

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I posted on my weblog, I posted
to an Italian explanation of
iPodder and today comes iPod

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soft audio.

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IpodSoft.

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Hello. The first audio news from
IpodSoft.

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Let's see how it goes.

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First, computer test. Left,
right. OK.

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So if it works, we'll do it
regularly.

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Oh wow, that was tricky. Did you
hear that?

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Did you hear that go from left
to right?

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That's like, that's how they
start their show off.

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Say, wait, hold on.

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We're going to test you now.
Left, right, left, right.

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That was cool.

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Left, right. OK.

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We'll keep.

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Anyway, so some German iPod
news.

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And I could understand most of
it being,

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I could speak Dutch pretty well.

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But about at least a third of
what they're saying is in
English anyway.

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So I was going to scoop the
Gilmore Gang,

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on the Gilmore Gang, by
uploading,

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or actually by playing a little
bit of the,

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what's that, huh? Two balls?

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Two balls. What kind of balls
are these?

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We have cream balls.

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We have cream balls.

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Do you have those in there?

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They do now.

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I like our donkey balls.

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No.

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Who's that?

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No, whipped cream balls.

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Filled with...

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Filled with whipped cream.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, cream sushi.

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Right on.

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Okay.

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So I said I was going to scoop
the Gilmore Gang,

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who did their show live from
Nome Dex,

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which was in Lake Tahoe, I
believe.

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Oh, shit.

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Now the other dog wants to go
in.

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Come here, Jess.

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Come on.

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Come on, go.

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Now, I'm telling you, it's been
like this all day.

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The phone's been ringing, people
interrupting.

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I just can't get down to doing a
show.

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So anyway, I knew that Doug Kay
was down there

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doing the streaming stuff.

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So I actually recorded the
stream of the Gilmore Gang

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and I wanted to play back a
little bit

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because they were talking about
iPodder

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and iPod platform and podcasting
was great.

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Now it's jumping up and down as
I was.

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in our inn, the room at the inn
in the UK where

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was really cool but then raster
web audio scoop me to the
scoopage

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well

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the Gilmore Gang. I think John
Udell said something really
significant here and I

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just wanted to share that with
you.

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I can't believe I hit the ball.

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Quite impressive.

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It landed in the water.

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Yes, but the splash was quite
impressive.

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This place is so beautiful. I
can see just coming here to
think or read, though that

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probably defeats the purpose of
the holes with the flags and
all.

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There's something rather serene
about walking around here.

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You come here every week?

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No, when I can.

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I'm often working on the
weekends.

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Bummer.

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Isn't it?

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Crap. Okay. You know what? I'm
pretty sure that that wasn't the
Gilmore Gang.

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I don't even think that was John
Udell.

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I think that was the Gilmore
Girls.

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I'm sorry, everybody.

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I'm forgetting.

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Hopefully that had the same
effect on you as it had on me
the first time.

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I was like, what the hell is he
playing?

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What does nothing do with the
Gilmore Gang?

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Indeed, the Gilmore Girls.

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Always.

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Nice to have pizza, rice, and
humor on the daily source code
via raster web audio.

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So I do have a bit of the
Gilmore gang.

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This is kind of cool because
this in effect is bootleg.

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I think I may be posting it
before it's even posted on
ITConversations.com.

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I'm just going to play a little
bit at the end of the show of
what Steve Gilmore said

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was so incredibly nice.

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Just like Hugo Shopman, I'm
going to ask Steve if he'll let
me interview him on a daily
source code.

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He clearly understands the
opportunity that is in
podcasting and iPodder, etc.

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And he's very vocal about it.

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Check it out.

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Final bit from the Gilmore gang
soon to be up at
ITConversations.com.

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You know, as somebody, the
second executive at a major
software company asked me the
other day

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when's the Gilmore gang going to
go, you know, national?

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And I said it's all...

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Where did he go?

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Act it.

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What do you want?

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I mean, as Chris said, we're
being broadcast through the iPod

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platform to anybody, anywhere,
who has access to the network.

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The streaming audio that Doug
Kay is doing

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is we had questions on the first
day of this conference

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from Australia, from New
Zealand.

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Georgia.

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Even Georgia.

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And I just want to say one thing
about professional content.

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I've been a record producer.

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I've directed films.

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They may not be professional in
the sense

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that they weren't Hollywood
blockbusters,

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but I know how that stuff works.

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And I'm telling you that what
Adam Curry is doing

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and what Dave Slusher is doing
from Conway, South Carolina

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and what Robert Scobal is doing
from pulling it

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out of his ass.

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Wait a minute.

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Never underestimate the bad.

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with the Robert Scoble's ass.

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It is just as professional, if
not more so,

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because these technologies, as
they boil down

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and virtualized into a Mac today
and a PDA

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or some sort of cell phone
tomorrow,

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this is the recording studio of
the future,

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and the future is now.

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This is happening today, and it
is going,

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when people say in four or five
years,

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when the iPod platform really
takes off,

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they're missing the boat by
about four or five years.

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It's happening right now.

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I really encourage you to listen
to the entire Gilmore Gang,

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and I'm sure they'll also have
other bits of the conference

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from NomeDecks up on
ITConversations.com.

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I listened to a bit of Will
Wheaton.

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Dave and I got to figure out a
way to be able to record that

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and comment at the same time,
because it's funny.

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You listen to something together
and you comment.

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You come up with...

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with wacky stuff and there was
also another conference. It was
the future of content.

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session that was and there was
also a lot of iPod or talk so
make sure you catch

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that it'll probably be another
day or so until they get all of
that encoded and

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sorted out you know and this
conference is can be pretty
grueling

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particularly if you're doing
streaming stuff. So let me see I
got about five

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more minutes till we can call
Hugh.

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past seven right now in Belgium.
And I believe he's either in the
Netherlands or Austria,

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but we're going to find out
where he is. But while I was in
the UK, I was looking around

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to see how the British citizens
reacted to the presidential
debate. And you know, from

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one thing leads to another, and
I stumbled across a piece of
video, which is, it's all
animated,

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but I want to let you hear this
because the voiceover is
self-explanatory. And this, I
think,

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is something that will be, well,
you'll have to check out. Just
listen to what this is. It's

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only about a minute and a half,
and it's simply titled,
Barry.move. This is how stuff
comes

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along, and unfortunately there's
no metadata whatsoever, but in
the credits, and I'm

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going to link to this from my
weblog for this source code
posting, in the credits

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there's all kinds of information
about who's behind this and what
their drive is. But I

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think it gives a view of what...

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But Britons think of the United
States in general and perhaps of
the presidential elections

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and the world at large.

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The United States of America is
the most powerful nation on
Earth.

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In itself, this goes a long way
to explaining the things it does
around the world.

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At present, it's conducting a
war on terror.

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Or more accurately, a campaign
against opposition to US
domination.

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Others prefer to call it the
beginnings of the Third World
War.

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United States has an insatiable
appetite for conflict.

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career in the 1950s.

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one or other in some corner of
the globe non-stop right up to
it as a day.

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This drive is now led by the
weapons manufacturers
themselves.

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It's a highly dangerous project.

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It's the door of a new fashion
being pushed open.

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The reality, as we see from the
Iraqi invasion, is that the
presidency has been...

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And this ghastly molecule aims
to turn the world into its very
own enslaved global mark.

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by Al Qaeda on the World Trade
Center. It's just one response
to it.

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Is this a conspiracy? Quite the
opposite. It is a high-profile
project known as the

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project of the new American
Century. People like Dick Janie,
Donald Rumsfeld,

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Richard Pearl are the major
players among politicians
right-wing thinkers

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and

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The project is a neoconservative
manifesto, which includes in its
toolbox the unbridled

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use of war and clearing a path
for US interests.

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Iraq came entirely from this
visible yet sinister group.

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And so who's next to wonder
Iran, North Korea, France?

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None of us really matter to
them.

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So then it goes into some
credits.

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Barry McNamara, I know that name
from somewhere.

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That's who did the voiceover.

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And then there's a final credit
here, knife-party.net, directed
and produced by knife-party.net.

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So you want to check that out.

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I've heard this theory before
about a new world order and the
new world movement.

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And I, yeah, it's the wonders of
the internet that gives us the
power to have this stuff

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put together, all this art, you
know, and be able to play it for
you.

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So, you know, this is, keep more
of it coming.

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I don't think we'll ever, you
know, this is the election.

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This is the chance where we have
to use all these digital media
tools to really get our

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point across and say what we
want to.

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You can also, of course, just do
it in traditional song.

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[ Music ]

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I didn't know I was un-American
and uh, just a nice little tune
on the daily source code for
October 4th, 2004.

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Would it be this way?

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I hope I can find out who that
is.

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Okay, it's time now, I'd say, to
see if we can get Hugo on the...

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We're calling him via Skype.

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There we go.

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It's like it's working.

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Hi, how are you doing?

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I'm good.

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I'm recording already.

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That's good.

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So welcome to the source code.

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Thank you very much.

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You know, Hugo, you blew me
away.

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Hold on a second.

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This is, I'm trying to get the,
this is exactly why I wanted to
call you because I want to

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make sure we get, we get squared
away on the best personal setup
for this kind of stuff.

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Okay.

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Well, you're kind of breaking up
a little bit.

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How am I on your side?

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Yeah, you're coming through
okay.

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I'll say what, I'm going to try
calling again.

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Okay?

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Okay.

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Okay, we're, we're back and
we've, I think now, by now we
actually have it set up so

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that not only will you hear me
talking, but we'll also hear
Hugo talking.

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I mean, Hugo, I mean, I've had
so much, you know, success and
failure and all kinds

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of crap with this.

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I mean, what?

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I mean, help me out here.

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Where, where do we have to go?

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Who do we have to talk to?

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How do we get to the end of
this?

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we have to get this working
better and do you think that
there's something we can
bootstrap

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that'll get us further than
where we're at right now because
this is giving me many sleepless

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nights?

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Yes.

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Well, one answer is with the
things that we have right now,
we can write down different

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setups and lessons learned and
exchange the best setup with
each other so that we can learn

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and record it somewhere, which I
have started on my side.

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We have to ask developers to
actually create an all-in-all
all-in-one

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Don't come up with a service.

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You've mentioned this service,
and probably we've only recorded
the fact that you mentioned

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it once.

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So, we've talked about it three
times.

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Tell me about what your idea is,
because I've heard a couple of
other people mention that

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the idea of a service, how do
you envision that?

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What would that be?

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What kind of service can we
make?

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Can we develop that will bring
all of the technologies that
we're trying to figure

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out, all of the audio routing?

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Can we make something that will
bring that to the people who
want to do the show

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and not worry about the rest?

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Yeah, I think so.

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Just like you had a web log
service right now where you post
to.

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For instance, Radio Userland, it
can run on your own machine, but
it can also run

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completely somewhere else.

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Now, getting text to that server
is...

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easy and we have lots of tools
to do that already. Audio to it
is a bit more

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difficult and intuitive for just
users. Now you could SPP it to
the service or email it or...

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Well you're talking about it is
really is really a publishing
system though.

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That what you're talking about?
Yeah but maybe also a recording
system because

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the next step is you open a line
with the server through
something that we are all

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familiar with like iChat or
voice over IP and have that be
the recording.

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And okay and so then the server
will record can this in the
server or this

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service will also be able to
combine stuff so say I want to
talk with you we

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don't have to restart this thing
25 million times it'll just
combine those

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sources okay

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I also, yeah, I'm listening.

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Yeah, you'll have a chat with
multiple people

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or a conference with multiple
people

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and it'll record everything.

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So shouldn't Apple be doing this

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or shouldn't AOL Instant
Messenger,

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shouldn't these, I mean,

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is this something we really
wanna jump into?

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Is this something that we as,
you know,

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mere mortal developers and users

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really wanna put our foot into?

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Well, we can use those tools
already.

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We only have to put the pieces
together.

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For instance, with SIP,

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there are SIP routers, SIP
routers,

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that you can reprogram to almost
anything.

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And it would be easy to add

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publishing capability and, you
know,

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those are automatic enclosure
generation MP3 encoding.

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You can put everything.

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in that same server.

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So I think, well that's a, but I
think this is an interesting
thought, you know, because

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I have to agree that there is, I
mean there's such a high barrier
level of entry on doing

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this stuff, figuring out how to
connect all the bits so you can
record the audio and your

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microphone and someone else and
maybe a phone call.

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Is this something that maybe,
what's that PBX software that
everyone keeps raving about

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it's open source.

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Yeah, I have a link.

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I forgot the name.

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Actually, I had a little time
the last week.

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It's too bad that it's bad
timing.

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Because I was traveling.

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I was like in the Netherlands
when you were there

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last Wednesday and until Sunday.

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Oh, OK.

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Well, I mean, is this for work
related stuff

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that you're doing?

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Yeah, I was there for a perfect
person.

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And then I went to a family.

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And I kind of...

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Well, you're allowed to do that.

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You're allowed family visits.

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I think there's no such timing
as really good timing.

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There's all kinds of stuff that
always comes and goes.

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But I'm so happy that we could
just

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want to reach out to you and
just say hi.

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And let you know that I
certainly

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appreciate all the work that
you're doing

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on figuring this stuff out.

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And I'm fascinated by the
service idea.

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And now it's...

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Is this something that you would
involve your employer with
maybe?

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Is that something that Siemens
would be interested in?

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Well, I'm in a small division of
Siemens.

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Siemens is really, I'm not in
the right division.

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So it would be difficult.

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Okay.

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If I wanted to do something with
it, then it would mean something
from my job.

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Right.

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Right, all right.

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So what is your background?

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What are your hobbies?

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What's the kind of stuff you
like to do?

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Background from school actually
is very technical.

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But I started to do consulting
early on.

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I've been to Cambridge
Technology Partners.

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Yeah.

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I remember that.

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I worked for them in Amsterdam
in the dotcom years.

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I went to Accenture here in
Zurich and went to Austria for a
PhD instructor.

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So that's what makes me take as
well.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And came to Siemens.

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Okay.

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And what's it like to live in
Vienna?

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No, Zurich.

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I'm trying Zurich.

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What's it like there?

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Is it nice?

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Yeah, it's the Amsterdam of
Switzerland.

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It's...

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I don't know if that's a
compliment or if that's good or
bad.

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media. You know, you've got lots
of international people, you
know, it's

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well, I could get away with,
with not speaking German. You
know, it's,

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it's lots going on, lots for
single, you know, expert type
people. Yeah. And

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the quality of living is just,
it's good. Plus, it's close to
the

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mountain. Where you like to ski,
right? Exactly. Perfect.

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Perfect. Well, you know what,
we're following your, your
research

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very, very closely. And, you
know, I'd like to, now that I've
kind

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of figured out what the best way
is to contact you, maybe later

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on the week, we can hook up
again. And then by then, I'll

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have had some responses, and
maybe there'll be some questions

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or reactions. And we can

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Sure, I'd be happy to.

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Okay, so on email we'll set up a
time and a day and then we'll
chat a little bit more.

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This is a great introduction.

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Alright, can you play me a song
of the day or is it I'll set up?

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It's not set up so that you'll
hear the song of the day, but I
can certainly play

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a song of the day.

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Well, I really like Prince, but
I just bought the Supper Club 7
and that's like really relaxed.

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Have you heard it yet?

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No, no, I haven't heard the...

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I think I have Supper Club 2.

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I certainly don't think I'm
anywhere near 7.

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Anyway, no, no.

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But my setup is bare bones.

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I don't have the regular setup
subscribed on the site, so I
cannot play you any music

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either.

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Well, hopefully next time.

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Okay, I'll make sure we find
some Prince to put on for you
and we'll talk to you in a
couple

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of days and we'll check in
again.

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All right, thank you very much.

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Okay, here you go.

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No, thank you.

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Thanks for your time and have a
great evening.

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All right, bye-bye.

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And my thanks to Hugo
Schottmann.

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[ Music ]

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Oh, give me that!

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[ Music ]

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Keep fighting!

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Keep keep keep fighting!

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Don't stop dancing!

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Tch!

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Tch!

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Tch!

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Tch!

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Tch!

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Tch!

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[ Music ]

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Alright, on one y'all.

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You hear this old school joint?

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Don't you ever touch my stereo.

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This set up got good and plenty

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of what you need the most.

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And that's

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TRI

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P

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And so it just keeps on

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jamming and jamming and jamming
and jamming.

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And it's kind of like,

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you know, it's kind of like the

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gods were playing with this
because I've been talking about

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Prince. I think

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I think Dave and I talked about
it on trade secrets.

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We, you know, we said, you know,

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Prince would totally understand
this stuff, right?

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He'd be so completely into it.

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And

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lo and behold, if I wasn't
interviewed

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by Julio

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and Julio works for

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it's kind of, it's a
night-ridder publication

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in Minneapolis, St. Paul.

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Uh, hold on a second.

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Julio, here we go.

40:40.500 --> 40:47.500
Julio Ojeda Zapada works for
the, oh there it is, the St.
Paul Pioneer Press.

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And so I said, you know, as
Julio was interviewing me, I
said, you know, I think this is
all

40:52.500 --> 40:55.500
meant to be because, you know,
Prince is going to read this and
then he's going

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to listen to the source code.

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He's going to call up and he's
going to get it and he's going
to want to use this

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for the distribution of his
music.

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Okay.

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Maybe I'm just rambling on a
little bit too much.

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I'm going to leave you with one
last bit that I found online.

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My gosh, I'm not sure where this
came from, other than the

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blog digger media feed, right?

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You've probably read about the
number of times during the

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Republican National Convention,
how many times different words
like

41:24.500 --> 41:29.500
Osama bin Laden, no, I'm sorry,
Saddam Hussein, Iraq, war on
terror,

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etc., but not Osama bin Laden.

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All these different terms were
used.

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over and over and over again and
maybe you heard some audio of
it. I don't know but someone
finally

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Went through the trouble of
putting this all together into a
video

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Let me just see I think the
video is from

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It's live. It's probably from
C-span and what I thought I'd do
is I'd play this it only lasts a
couple of minutes

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But it'll really freak you out
when you hear how many times
they're they're repeating these
words and how many different
people

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And who these people are and so
if there's a caption that comes
up

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Maybe I'll just break in and
tell you that what it says like
here

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it says, how do you run a
convention on a recathive
failure and

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so now it starts off with of
course

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Invoke 9 11 the heart of this
great city. We saw a tragedy
arrive on a quiet morning

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September the 11th September the
11th September the 11th
September 11th September 11th
September 11th September

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11th September 11th September 11

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September 11th September 11

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September 11th

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11.

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September 11.

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September 11.

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September 11.

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September 11.

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September 11.

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September 11! September 11
September 11

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September 11.

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September 11.

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September 11.

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September 11 September 11
September 11

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This is Giuliani by the way. Now
it says no your enemy.

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Saddam Hussein

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Handle the bin Laden matter
appropriately.

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And that's just got crits
playing and everyone being
quiet.

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Above all, spread fear.

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And danger.

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Continuing danger.

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Power of danger.

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Very, very dangerous world.

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Brave new threat.

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Horrific acts of atrocities,
murderous regimes.

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Dedicating to killing us.

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Tyranny and terror.

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Slaughtered thousands of weapons
of mass destruction.

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Weapons of mass destruction.

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Weapons programs.

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The deadliest of weapons.

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Terrible weapons.

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Nuclear weapons.

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Nuclear weapons.

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Poison gas.

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Torture chambers.

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Mass graves.

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Deadly technology.

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Radical ideology of hate.

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Terror of threats.

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Terror.

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Terror.

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Terror.

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War on terrorism.

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War against terrorism.

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Global war on terror.

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Global terrorism.

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Global.

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God Giuliani's unbelievable.

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He's the best one of all of
them.

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They continuously have thousands
of quotes by Giuliani.

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Global.

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Charism.

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Global.

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Terrorism.

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Terrorism.

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Charism.

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Terrorism.

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Terrorism.

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Terrorism.

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Terrorism.

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Terrorism.

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Terrorist, terrorist, terrorist.

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George W. Bush. Keeping America
Scared.

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That's what it winds up with
there.

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Wow. I like Barbara Bush's the
way she speaks.

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She has a nice accent.

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Terrorist, terrorist.

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Anyway, that's your food for
thought there.

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I'm going to wrap this up. What
are we at?

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All kinds of ideas and stuff so

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I'm midst all of this. I'm sure
we'll pump out another source
code sometime tomorrow. I thank
you very much for listening

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Thanks to Hugo Schottman for
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