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Good afternoon friends, family,
world leaders, welcome to the
Daily Source Code for Wednesday.

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Oh boy, I got a couple of songs
to play for you.

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Lots of examples of new podcasts
and little bits I want to...

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That's Jesse, my dog, giving me
a little message there.

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I don't know how long the show
is going to be until I'm
actually done with it, but hold

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on a second.

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Come on, Jesse.

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Come outside.

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Come here.

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Come here.

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Just in time.

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I'm only starting the show.

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That's our dog Jesse now.

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Ouch.

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Okay.

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So I was thinking, just looking
at the amount of time I spent on
the preparation for

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today's show.

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I'll just leave the door open,
you guys can do that all
yourself like it.

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Okay, so I was thinking about
the amount of time that goes
into preparing a source code.

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Today about an hour and a half
I'd have to say, and that's, you
know, during the day

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I save stuff, I save emails, I
save files that I find.

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I have a special playlist and
iTunes, the stuff that comes in
through iPod or in iTunes,

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I drag into a source code
playlist so that I can kind of
remember where I have,

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where I've stashed everything.
Do you hear these dogs they're
going nuts today?

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Well, anyway. So I thought, you
know, this has to be compensated
somehow.

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So today's daily source code is
brought to you by Grandmaster
View.

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And let me tell you about
Grandmaster View and let me put
a disclaimer in.

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I own a part of the company. I'm
a minority shareholder.

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Grandmaster View, it's a new way
of watching. It's brand new flat
screens.

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Flat screen TV technology that
is so smart, it'll blow.

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you away. And you can also buy
them in the United States. So
I'll talk about that in

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a sec. But just briefly about
these flat screens. Some of you
may know that I made an
investment

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in this company a while back.
What happened is these, and I
didn't invent this. This is

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a Dutch invention made in the
Netherlands. And also,
currently, the production line
is

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in the Netherlands. You know,
with the advent of plasma
screens and LCD screens and all

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this technology that's made
television.

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And granted with plasma, there's
a lot of disadvantages.

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It's about, what is it?

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Over 100 pounds that you have to
hang on your wall.

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There's always an ugly wire
coming down.

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The screens are, they only have
a certain lifespan.

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And it's very expensive to
replace those.

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The cost of a screen, like a
plasma screen,

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is very expensive.

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The size is limited.

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They just don't get as big as
you might want

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for your home cinema if you were
using as a home cinema.

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And I hooked up with these guys,
Grandmaster View.

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And they showed me a flat screen
that was 2 meters 20

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diagonally.

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So that's about seven feet.

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And it looked to me like a
plasma screen.

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I couldn't understand it.

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And there were no wires.

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It was hanging up.

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They even had a nice little
ambient light behind it.

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It was against the wall, but
just a little bit

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set off from the wall with a
light.

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And it's.

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just looks so cool and the price
tag was something like 2,000
euros so say two

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and a half thousand dollars I
said now you know clearly a zero
dropped off it

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should be 25,000 for this size
and even that may not be enough.
So here's the

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trick about Gram MasterView and
why I like it so much. In the
past at least

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the past eight or nine years
there's been a lot of
development going on in

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projectors. Projector technology
has gotten really good we're
outputting

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you know a standard projector
that you just buy or you know
anywhere at any almost

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at any appliance store is going
to give you probably more than a
thousand ANSI

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lumens of light and that's an
enormous amount just a couple
years ago was you

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know you barely get 500 and you
can get a lot more than that and
people do buy

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much higher intensity projectors
because the screens have barely
changed so you

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probably catching on to me by
now that what these guys did is
they developed

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a better screen they came up
with a special coating which of
course is you

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know that

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the secret sauce of the company
and they produce this beautiful
flat, it's a, I call it wood,

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it's not of course, but it's
just a flat screen, they put a
beautiful edge around it so it

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has that plasma screen look and
the reflection that you get from
this, you can watch these

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screens during the day with the

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They're perfect for business,
but I have one at home.

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I've had one for over a year
now.

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And I love it.

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I love it so much that I bought
a piece of the company.

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So Grand Master View,
grandmasterview.com, if you're
in the Netherlands, we have an

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American affiliate now, very
proud of that, and you can read
everything about Grand

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Master View.

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florida.grammasterview.com.

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florida.grammasterview.com.

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All right, that's it for the
commercial portion of the show.

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Now let's get on to some
religion, everybody.

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Put your hands on your iPod and
seal the power.

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Oh Lord, won't you buy me a
Mercedes-Benz?

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My friends all have horses.

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I must make amends.

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Worked hard on my lifetime.

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No help from my friends.

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Oh Lord, won't you buy me a
Mercedes-Benz?

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Oh Lord, won't you buy me a
Color TV?

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Because dialing $4 is trying to
find me.

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I wait for delivery each day
until three.

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Oh Lord, won't you buy me a
Color TV?

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Oh Lord, won't you buy me a
night on the town?

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Because I'm counting on.

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you lord please don't let me
down

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read that you love me and buy
the next round

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oh lord won't you buy me a night
on the town everybody

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oh

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me. Hey Mercedes Benz, my
friends all have horses. I must
make amends. Worked hard all

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my lifetime. No help from my
friends. Oh Lord, hold your
body. Hey Mercedes Benz.

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my iTunes this morning. That's
where I got everything for
today's show, by the way, except

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for one song which is a request,
which, oh gee, I had to go all
the way to LimeWire. I

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went to our podcast library and
was able to download it in
seconds. That later on, after

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a double shot of prayer then,
man, I hope Lord buys me a
Mercedes Benz. All my friends

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have Porsches. Look at the
mailbag. I got an email from Tom
Pole, that's P-O-H-L,

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and then we had all those Mac
problems. He sent me a brief
note and said,

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it could be that your hard drive
is failing. Very possible. It
always seems

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when you're using big files and
doing all this kind of stuff
that your hard

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drive does. It's the first thing
that has moving bits, so I guess
that's where

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it's why it's prone to breaking
first. It says there's a great
utility called

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Smart Reporter that will check
the physical health of your hard
drive. You

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can find it on version trackers.
Smart Reporter. I'm definitely
going to check

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it out and see what it is. I
figured I cut the source code
first for today

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before I go fucking with my art.

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drive, which is probably a smart
idea. And this is also stuff
that not only will I point

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to all of these links along with
the posting of the source code,
but also a lot of them

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are listed on iPodder.org.

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on that. The directory of shows
is current. You can add your own
show. There's a link.

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Just click on that, fill out the
details and all I basically have
to do is just make sure it's
added,

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make sure it's what everyone
really says it is.

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Clearly we have an intruder in
the house.

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Uh...

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Yeah.

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That would be our handyman.

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Let's see what he's doing.

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Hey Luke!

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Can I get help, eh?

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Eh?

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Oh boy, hold on a second. This
is Belgian.

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What?

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A sponge?

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I don't know what sponge it is.

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Did you look at the garage?

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Or at the stairs to the
basement?

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Okay, close the door, Lucas.

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I'm just recording, don't laugh.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Well, he was looking for a
sponge.

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And I'm happy to interrupt the
show for that.

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So, another link I'm pointing to
is from Mark van de Vettering.

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His site is brainwagon.org.

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We've had Hugo show us how to
set up our Macs to do a podcast.

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And he's got a whole rundown of
ways you can do this on Windows.

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We've been waiting for this.

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So, that's also an iPod.org.

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Again, as I said, I'm getting
that together.

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Now, what we really need is a
different look for iPod.org.

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It looks kind of lame, actually.

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Um...

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Let me see.

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How did I have all of this set
up?

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Here we go.

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I want...

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I wanted to play a little bit,
oh wait a minute,

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there's another thing that I had
here.

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And remember we were talking
about,

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about all how settings podcasts
up

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and how do we route audio and
geez,

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not like we haven't been talking
this for quite a bit.

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Got an email from Tim Ayello,

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spelled like the actor's name I
guess.

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Adam, been a while, listen to
your podcasts.

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He says, when it comes to the
voice applications,

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he says you may want to look at
the gaming world.

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I hadn't thought about this.

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He says, for instance, voice
apps,

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TeamSpeak and then Trillo might
be used

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for being able to get a bunch of
people in

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and talking all at once with
very good quality.

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Cause this is what the gamers
are doing.

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The gamers are playing online
and,

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you know, they're, so they're
using high CPU

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intensity applications and
they're talking to each other.

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So it seems like,

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like there's some stuff out
there,

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it's just that we have to,

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we have to connect these worlds
together.

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And I'm glad I got this, this
email from Tim.

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So hopefully if you can help us
out,

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here's some information on Tim.

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TeamSpeak has a client recording
facility, I believe it only
pumps out a dot wave.

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Well, okay, we can always
convert that.

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It has both Windows and Linux
clients and servers are
available for Windows, Linux,

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Solaris, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Mac OS
X.

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It hasn't tried Ventrilo yet,
but I think that's really
interesting.

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And I'm glad that we're going to
try and incorporate some of
these

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complete different communities
and also have some GeekSpeak
coming up

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from the board game GeekGuys, a
little bit of their show that I
wanted to play for you.

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And something else that showed
up on the iPod this morning,
thanks to the iPodder.

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It's another political song,
it's another mix.

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It's the trigger-happy single
mix.

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We're going to give you a
dictatorship.

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In the name of freedom, we're
going to take yours away.

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In the name of liberty, we are
going to give you the Royal
Chef.

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Give up this offer, do it on
your own Don't kill me anymore
baby, baby, you're not

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[ Music ]

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No one's been having that good
of a while, come on.

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You from the Post Office?

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I'm getting out of here.

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Yeah.

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Trigger Happy. Too bad about the
quality.

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While I was playing I checked it
out.

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It's a sample that's 48
kilohertz, which is just not
enough.

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And I think it sounds really
muddled and you're not able to
hear all the world.

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with Iraq I recupation you know
you gotta appreciate that so
hopefully we can find out who
did

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that get a better quality mp3 of
the song that would be most
awesome great song I really like

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the good tune could have used a
little bit more cowbell and you
remember just the other

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day maybe you don't maybe didn't
hear Dave and I were talking
about song

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And I said, you know, Beatles,
man, you just don't hear enough
Beatles.

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And I don't know if this is just
what's out in the air,

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or if it's, you know, if it's
buzzing around,

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but I listened to Geek Speak,

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trying podcasts about gaming,

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and lo and behold, here's how it
started off.

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[ Music ]

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Hey, welcome to GeekSpeak.

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We're up to episode three.

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Episode three.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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What are we talking to this
week, maybe?

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Oh, well, I'm Scott Alden.

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Yeah, that's true.

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And I'm Dirk.

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Actually, I'm Aldi.

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I'm Aldi on the show.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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You say so.

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That's interesting.

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In Europe, we have two
supermarket chains.

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One is called Dirk for Dirk von
der Brug, but we call it Dirk.

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And the other one, which is a
German one, is called, You Got
It.

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Aldi.

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So, this episode, we have Mark
Kaufman and Eric Hauptmann from
Days of Wonder, the publishing

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company that has recently come
out with a couple of winner
games from the German game

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of the year, the Spieldizar.

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Yeah.

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Take it to ride.

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Yeah.

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And also Memoir 44, which just
won the two-player IGA award.

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So, if you want to hear more
about that, definitely check out
GeekSpeak.

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It's a great podcast.

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You can get to it from the
iPod.org show's directory.

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GeekSpeak is the name of the
show.

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the show.

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And so there you go.

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There's a new game coming out or
just came out called Ticket to
Ride.

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But I love this podcast.

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You might not understand Jack
all about what they're talking
about because they're in their

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industry.

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They are in the gaming industry.

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They're talking about the new
games.

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They know what you should see.

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Their website.

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It's amazing, by the way,
geekspeak.com.

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So this is just complimentary to
what they were already doing.

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But now they're interviewing the
game designers.

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And I'm just tickled by that.

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I think it's great.

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The thing I played for you a
while ago was Northwest Noise.

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And I just want to recap that
this was three days before the
big media caught on about Mount

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St. Helens.

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He reported that Northwest Noise
is only about the Washington and
Oregon region.

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That's Northwest Noise.

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That's what Northwest Noise is
chosen as their audience.

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Although if you have any
affinity with it, it could be
interesting to have a family

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there.

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But he said, you know, there's
some word about some rumblings
going on deep in St. Helens.

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And he had this big spiel about
how the previous eruption
happened before.

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She was born and really had only
had concerns about that.

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50 or 60 people died during that
eruption.

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This was three days before big
media started reporting on the
fact that it could erupt,

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and lo and behold, it did.

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I didn't listen to all of
Northwest Noyes.

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I don't know if there's a report
later on about what they're
expecting.

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He kind of had me going for a
second because we have a
reporter on the scene at Mount
St.

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Helens and well clearly that
caught my interest.

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I do do on the air reporting
from location.

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So let's let's queue up his
latest escapades up there in
Mount St. Helens.

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So I hate Tim. How you doing?

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Hey there!

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I'm in the crater again.

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He's bastard.

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He's stoned me.

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Take a second look.

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See how it's doing down here.

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you get the picture. But if you
want to know anything about the
northwestern

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region of the United States,
North with no

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to pronounce, but a great
podcast.

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Something else I've been keeping
track of is a podcast called
Career Opportunities.

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Again, you can get to...

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career opportunities is really
about just what it is.

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Your career, how you can advance
your career, stuff to watch out
for in a corporate environment.

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And I ran a public company.

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Certainly, well, let's say I ran
the New York office of a public
company and was one

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of the co-founders of it.

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And there's a lot you got to
think about.

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Certainly in the States.

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And there was a bit that he had
on the...

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I think this is an archive of
something he's done before, but
it came through on my

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iPod today.

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The title of this is Keep It To
Yourself.

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And you'll probably recognize
some of these situations.

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Despite the fact that companies
are trying to become more like a
family and less like

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a cold corporation, it's always
best to remember that there are
certain aspects of your life

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that you shouldn't share with
your coworkers or your managers.

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The stories you tell now may
come back to haunt your career
in the future.

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For the years, I've been on the
receiving end of many stories I
would have rather not

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known.

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These include graphic
descriptions of...

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drunken nights on the town,
sexual adventures, and
quasi-legal activities.

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While you might want to share
your adventures, your coworkers
probably aren't the best
audience.

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It's a simple truth in any
industry that you are never sure
who you might end up working

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for down the road.

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Today's intern might end up
running a hot new startup, or
you could be laid off and

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end up following a coworker to a
new company.

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The entertainment industry
describes it in this way.

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Whoever you stepped on getting
to the top will be kicking you
all the way down.

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As you can imagine, people can
be reluctant to hire someone who
has a history of heavy

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drinking or drug use.

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Except in the podcast industry.

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That it's too risky to their
professional reputation to bring
you into their company.

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They might be afraid that your
actions would reflect badly on
them.

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Okay, you gotta listen to it.

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You can listen to it two ways.

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It's great sound advice, but
it's also funny when you...

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scenarios that you can run into.

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And haven't we all run to them
at one point or another?

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We're about 23 minutes into this
daily source code for Wednesday,
October 6, 2004.

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And Dave Weiner finally posted a
morning coffee notes.

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It's been, I think, about a week
and I understand why because
he's been busy.

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He's been doing trade secrets
with me.

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We've been talking a lot about
iPod and podcasting and he was
up at the Microsoft conference.

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I think there was a Web 2.0
conference, but he also went to
this.

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I believe there were some get
together that Microsoft invited
a number of bloggers to come

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look at something they were
presenting.

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And of course, it's all under
NDA, so I have no idea what it
is.

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And Dave made reference to David
Weinberger in his morning coffee
notes.

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And something really
interesting.

23:44.000 --> 23:51.000
Dave makes a real good point
about privacy and the fact that
we really are just kind

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of getting used to what we have.

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And if we ever really want to
make the internet work the
way...

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we all dream it works, we have
to figure out some of this
privacy stuff.

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And it's certainly interesting
to hear Dave champion Microsoft
a little bit, or maybe more

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than a little bit in these
thoughts that he has about
privacy.

24:13.500 --> 24:17.500
Now actually the Morning Coffee
Notes is about a whole bunch of
things.

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He also goes through the history
of desktop publishing, to web
logs, to podcasts, which

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is really, it's a good listen.

24:26.500 --> 24:27.500
So check that out.

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The show is about 45 minutes.

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But I want to play this one bit
where he talks about privacy.

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It's about four minutes.

24:34.500 --> 24:41.500
And he hooked up with David
Weinberger, who you've probably
heard from, or heard of,

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at Microsoft.

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And they had this conversation.

24:44.500 --> 24:50.500
And here's Dave's version of the
conversation and his
conclusions.

24:50.500 --> 24:56.500
Weinberger and I, it's funny
because at a philosophical
level, I've said this

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to him before that.

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We are in total agreement on the
philosophy of the web and we're
actually gonna have a session on
this at blogger con called the
core

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Values of the web the idea there
has to be led by Mary hotter

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From Berkeley, and I think she's
now at Technorati also

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and

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It's an academic subject. It's
question of well. What is at one
point? I was when I went to
Amsterdam

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I went to the W3C meeting in
Amsterdam. I think was in it was
in

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2000 yeah, I was in 2000 and I I
wrote about that saying I was
looking for the heart of the web
and didn't find it

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That's okay. I mean at one point
that was the heart of the web

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But the but the web had moved on
and was a lot more than that at
that time

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And it of course is today even
more than that

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but the web does have a heart
and it does have a philosophy
and

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And we're sort of like the blind
men and the elephant and
elephant

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We're all sort of looking at
different parts of it and
Weinberger is one of those
people and he's written some
great books

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you know, small pieces loosely
joined is one of his books and
of course the Clutrain
Manifesto,

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which I think is one side of the
coin and the other side of the
coin is blogs.

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And we seem to be, you know, I
was a math major and in math,
very theoretical type of math,
not,

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you know, and in math the great
thing about math, the reason why
people love who do math,

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love math is because there's
this sort of, you can approach a
theorem from five different
approaches,

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you can always end up at the
same place. And it shows you
that something that it's very
hard to

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describe in words, other than to
say that this is what beauty is.
Beauty is where you discover

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the underlying law that explains
the nature of something that one
wouldn't necessarily think

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has an underlying law that and
the web is like that.

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The web, the essential element
of the web is the link.

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And it goes all the way from the
deepest technology,

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all the way up to the simplest
user interface,

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that where you link, you're like
the web.

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Where you are exclusive, when
you don't link,

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you are not like the web.

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So, Weinberger and I agree on
everything,

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but today, or actually it was
yesterday,

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we found something that we don't
agree on,

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and I think I'm right, and I
think he's wrong.

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So I thought, wow, this is a
momentous occasion.

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Let's celebrate it.

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Of course, I think I'm right,
and I think that if,

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in a short while, he will agree
with me,

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because I once was where he is.

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He asked a question, he said,

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will this require the use of
passport?

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And the Microsoft person said
yes.

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And he said, well, then I won't
use it.

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And that's certainly a place
where I...

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was once and and no I don't have
a passport. On the other hand
I'm probably

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going to give in and get one and
there's a reason for that
because the world has

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changed. First of all when we
were against it there was this
idea that we

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would all work together and we
would create something that was
open and

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democratic and not controlled by
a major monolithic antitrust
violating you

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know convicted company that
couldn't be trusted you know and
all that's very

28:37.500 --> 28:40.500
valid and it's still valid and
this is how Microsoft screwed
not just

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themselves but all of us do
because they should have been
much more careful

28:45.500 --> 28:50.500
about earning and keeping our
trust or not just our trust but
deserving of

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trust and no we would be wrong
to trust them but on the other
hand we would be

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even wronger not to do something
about identity theft do
something about it

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take some step to protect
yourself.

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In another conversation I said
to one of the people

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at the conference, I said, you
know,

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let's create a hardened laptop.

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Let's create one where if I lose
the laptop or it's stolen,

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they don't automatically get all
my sensitive information

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off there.

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Why is this a concern?

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Because more and more our
financial affairs

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are moving on to the internet.

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It's just too convenient and
there are too many incentives

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for us to do it.

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Businesses, you know, will give
us a few points off

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if we are willing to move all of
our business

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on the internet because it's
cheaper for them

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to not have to print out and
mail out invoices.

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And they're willing to share the
savings on that.

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At some point, you're not even
gonna have

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the option of getting paper.

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You're gonna have to do it
electronically.

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And at that point we're all
gonna be very vulnerable.

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And mass, mass hijackings of
identity.

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will be taking place.

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I think we're going to record a
show today.

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And I just saw that he's no
longer idling in Seattle

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through iChat.

30:26.500 --> 30:27.500
So that means he's awake.

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So after this show, we'll
probably

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record trade secrets.

30:32.500 --> 30:33.500
But that is true.

30:33.500 --> 30:33.500
And wow.

30:33.500 --> 30:34.500
And you know what?

30:34.500 --> 30:38.500
In the Netherlands, as of
January 2005, all

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It's mandatory for all tax
returns to be done
electronically.

30:46.500 --> 30:52.500
And this, of course, has become
a big deal because not everyone
can file their tax returns

30:52.500 --> 30:53.500
electronically.

30:53.500 --> 30:57.500
So of course, now there's
companies that will do that for
you that kind of sit in the
middle,

30:57.500 --> 30:59.500
but that's a big, that's a giant
step.

30:59.500 --> 31:00.500
And the government did it.

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Excuse me.

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government did it, as they say
themselves, to reduce cost.

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But yeah, so it's a tax return.

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That's a little different than a
bank account.

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But is it really?

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What kind of information are you
sending over the wire that can
just be picked up by anybody?

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Now I see that we're already 30
minutes into the show and I
still have a number of things

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I want to do.

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I'm going to skip over a bit.

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I was going to play a bit from
the Audio Activism podcast, but
I'll save that for tomorrow's

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show because it's kind of a
whole different topic, but it's
really a podcast about political

31:41.000 --> 31:42.000
issues.

31:42.000 --> 31:50.000
And then I just wanted to skip
on to a request that I received
as Dave and I continue to

31:50.000 --> 31:54.000
find out what do we want to do
with these podcasts and what
kind of music do we want

31:54.000 --> 31:55.000
to play?

31:55.000 --> 31:56.000
So Dave should just do a print
show.

31:56.000 --> 32:02.000
It should be the Dave and Print
Show, the Dave and Print
podcast.

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But he also mentioned another
group who were probably...

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just as important as the Beatles
or the Stones or the Kinks.

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I even put the Bee Gees in
there.

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If you think back to Bee Gees in
late 60s,

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they had some different songs
than Saturday Night Fever.

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So I'm going to, first of all,
turn the big podcast antenna

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pointed out to Seattle.

32:23.500 --> 32:23.500
Here's one.

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I love the colorful cliché

32:32.500 --> 35:52.500
[ Music ]

35:52.500 --> 35:54.500
...

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That was in the days when did
those quick fadeouts beach boys
good vibration

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hump in your hump day for
Wednesday October 6 2004. Okay,
gotta talk a little bit about

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iPod. I know that people are
getting tired of

36:18.000 --> 36:22.000
bit to play about that very
topic in a couple minutes. Also
some comedy on the

36:22.000 --> 36:27.000
way in the very first Engadget
podcast. But hey, this is the
place where users and

36:27.000 --> 36:31.000
developers party together,
right? And we still got some
work to do. And I got an

36:31.000 --> 36:35.000
email which was copied to a
number of other people from Ray
Slakinski. Now I've

36:35.000 --> 36:39.000
spoken about Ray before. I'm
pretty sure he did the nucleus
bit torn client

36:39.000 --> 36:45.000
that I'm using to grab American
TV shows. And as soon as he saw
the iPod

36:45.000 --> 36:51.000
or script that I created, the
original Apple script, he
started making pipe.

36:51.000 --> 37:01.000
And that script was then used by
August to create iPodder X,
which I love.

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I think it's the definitive Mac
iPodder client.

37:04.000 --> 37:07.000
And it just works great in all
the new versions.

37:07.000 --> 37:16.000
And Ray goes on to say, you
know, so I helped August all the
way up to 2.0 with patches.

37:16.000 --> 37:23.000
And at the time he was working
on iPodder, which is this great
cross-platform effort going on,

37:23.000 --> 37:25.000
which is coming out pretty soon.

37:25.000 --> 37:31.000
And this is going to work on Mac
and Windows and presumably Linux
and other platforms.

37:31.000 --> 37:35.000
But this is what's really
beautiful about what's going on
in this community we have.

37:35.000 --> 37:40.000
And you can become a member just
by subscribing to the iPodder
developers list.

37:40.000 --> 37:42.000
There's users and developers on
there alike.

37:42.000 --> 37:46.000
I actually tally that and see
how many people on the list
think they're users

37:46.000 --> 37:50.000
and how many think they're
developers or how many think
they're both.

37:52.500 --> 37:55.500
Here's what Ray says, what I
realized, I still really want to

37:57.000 --> 38:00.000
And that means I have to work on
the iPodrx side of things.

38:00.000 --> 38:04.000
So he's basically saying goodbye
to the iPodr team, wishing them
well.

38:04.000 --> 38:06.000
He says, I wish you guys all the
best.

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Think you're doing a great job
and what's going to be the best
cross-platform iPodr program.

38:10.000 --> 38:13.000
And so what we're seeing here is
that, and this is the beautiful,
this is the beauty

38:13.000 --> 38:16.000
of it, is that Ray just wants to
work with August.

38:16.000 --> 38:20.000
It's not about having the most
successful iPodr.

38:20.000 --> 38:23.000
It's not about, I don't think
it's about money.

38:23.000 --> 38:24.000
It's about wanting to work with
someone.

38:24.000 --> 38:28.000
And that's just beautiful when
that stuff happens.

38:28.000 --> 38:35.000
So wish Ray and August good luck
on the iPodrx.

38:35.000 --> 38:37.000
And I got a mail from Michael.

38:37.000 --> 38:40.000
Now this is not an easy name to
pronounce.

38:40.000 --> 38:48.000
I'm going to say, Joaghan,
Joagun, Joagun, well it's
G-E-O-G-H-E-G-A-N.

38:48.000 --> 38:54.000
Michael, you really have to
record an MP3 with the
pronunciation of your name.

38:54.000 --> 38:58.000
I had been working just kind of
on the side with a couple of
developers.

38:58.500 --> 39:02.500
kicking back and forth the idea
of, you know, what kind of genre
do these podcasts fit into

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and can you just put into the,
when you're doing ID3 tags, so
basically that's the metadata,

39:08.500 --> 39:12.500
the information that you package
into your MP3 file so that, you
know, the name of your

39:12.500 --> 39:16.500
show appears in the playlist.

39:16.500 --> 39:19.500
Well there's also a genre tag in
the ID3 spec.

39:19.500 --> 39:24.500
I'm not going to go through the
whole thing here, but Michael
did a little bit of research.

39:24.500 --> 39:30.500
He says that there, let me see,
what is it?

39:30.500 --> 39:38.500
There is an organization, TCON,
I think, who have basically come
up with all these different

39:38.500 --> 39:46.500
content types and so I've been
just using speech which I think
is content type 101.

39:46.500 --> 39:52.500
And Michael gets into this and
explains it technologically how
apparently we can use

39:52.500 --> 39:57.500
the category and then put a
podcast category behind that.

39:57.500 --> 39:59.500
I'm not quite sure how it's...

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to work yet, but the important
thing is that we want to be able
to categorize, first of all,

40:05.000 --> 40:13.000
just so that you can say podcast
and every other MP3 player will
understand, oh, a genre podcast.

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And if possible, it would be
nice to say genre podcast
sports, or music, or finance, or
gardening,

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or whatever. And that'll just
make it a lot easier for us to
categorize stuff and find stuff

40:26.000 --> 40:29.000
on the user end, on the
receiving end. So you can say,
just give me all the,

40:29.000 --> 40:34.000
I want to make a playlist, a
smart playlist is what we use in
iTunes. I'm sure Windows Media
has some.

40:36.000 --> 40:41.000
Just give me all the gardening
shows followed by a financial
show.

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Somewhere in there is some
beauty to be found.

40:44.000 --> 40:49.000
We just got to figure out how we
work with, and it's interesting,
isn't it, that someone

40:49.000 --> 40:55.000
or somebody took the time to
categorize and say, okay, here's
the 200 categories that

40:55.000 --> 40:58.000
are possible and no one thought
about a podcast.

40:58.000 --> 41:01.000
So we got to figure that one
out.

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Quick bit here from Evil Genius
Chronicles.

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You know our friend Dave Slusher
sitting in South Carolina.

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He's running into some of the
same issues that I am on my
podcast, so I think I'm doing a

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little bit better today by
mixing it up.

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Here's his podcast, Evil Genius
Chronicles from yesterday.

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I got a big long list of stuff
to talk about.

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An important point, and we're
going to come back to this
because it really does actually

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matter, is I'm in Conway, South
Carolina.

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We're near Myrtle Beach, but
it's a little town near Myrtle
Beach.

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We'll get back to that.

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That's like check off with the
gun over the map.

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piece it will be fired before

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I've got some feedback I need to
play and this should catch me up
on all feedback.

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If you've emailed me audio
feedback and you haven't heard
it as of today,

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it means I screwed up and forgot
to play it. So feel free to send
me a message reminding me I
never played your feedback.

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You don't have to send the file,
it's entirely my bookkeeping.

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It's just I forgot where I left
off.

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And in honor of a new mic
configuration, all feedback will
be from guys named Mike.

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Here we go.

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Hi Dave, Michael Gohagen here.

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Recently on your show you've
mentioned that you feel you
might be discussing podcasting
and

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the whole iPod platform
phenomenon almost too much.

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And frankly, I don't know how
you talk about anything but
podcasts.

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I mean you have a unique and
kind of special situation where
you're at the center of
something

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that is exploding all around
you.

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And as it continues to grow, the
quality work, the guys like you
and Adam and some others are
doing,

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I just think is so important.

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You know, I really think a kind
of a critical juncture is coming
up here where the podcast

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podcasting community is going to
start to get some attention from
the outside, from some

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non-technical oriented people.

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When those first looks come from
the media and other sources, I
think that it's important

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that quality shows like yours
and others, some of the other
things being produced, are

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kind of at the center and the
forefront so that it doesn't get
dismissed as some sort

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of amateurish thing going on on
the internet.

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As more people get involved in
this whole podcasting thing, and
it's growing every

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day, I really think that kind of
the watch words are going to be
that quality is respected,

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and participation appreciates.

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And I don't know where we're
going to be a year from now, but
I really think you're

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paving the way.

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I know that I am the consummate
podcasting consumer.

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I'm downloading these things in
the middle of the night, loading
them on my

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iPod, listening to them in my
car, or when and where I choose
on my own schedule.

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I'm not a computer guy.

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I'm not in the technical
business, but I get it.

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All right, that's beautiful.

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So a couple things about that.

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One, I really like the idea of
sending a recorded feedback into
a podcast.

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and playing that back. Great
idea and I encourage you to send
that to the daily source code as

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well. And indeed, now that we're
moving a little bit beyond the
testing one, two, three, is my

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trend.

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We've got to start defining what
we're doing and what these
podcasts are about.

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Now, it may very well be that
Dave Slusher wants to continue
talking about podcasting.

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I think that's great because I'd
love to say, hey, if you want to
know what's going on

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with the latest podcast
developments, here's the show
you want to check out.

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Personally, what I want to try
and do as I move a little bit
away from all the podcasting

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stuff and I still want to try
and make it as friendly as
possible so that when I talk

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about genres in your playlist,
I'm hoping that the
non-technical listeners are

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saying, oh yeah, that would be
good if I could sort it that
way.

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So there's always going to be
some of that.

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But I'm going to try and do what
I've always done.

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Shit, I've always introduced
videos, records, whatever.

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So I can do a mix of that and
now add it to the mix is
podcasts.

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And just give you an idea of
what's out there.

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And of course, I want to point
you to where you can subscribe
to these.

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And then instead of getting out
the URLs, and there's been a lot
of discussion there,

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what's the best way to talk
about URLs in an audience?

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show and a podcast or radio
show, well that really is...
excuse me. So the best way is

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just to... anything I talk
about, any shows I talk about
will be in the podcast directory

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on iPodder.org. Something I came
across that was a nice
complimentary podcast to an
existing

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blog is from...

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photo blog and I've gotten a
little bit into photo blogs. I'm
not talking about a

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mobile blog where you send stuff
from your camera. I'm talking
about real, you

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know, the digital photography,
beautiful pictures, settings and
if you're into that

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you'll know that with most
modern-day cameras when they
take a picture a lot

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of information is encoded into
that picture about what camera
was used, what

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shutter speed, what setting and
so you know this so you don't
have to write

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all this down it just it's
captured right into the picture
and so there's a

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great number of communities that
are sharing this type of
information and

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just a quick bit from his
podcast it was titled Monty
Woods and it has to do

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with a particular picture that
he took.

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Hello and welcome to my photo
blog.

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Today I'm going to do something
different.

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I'm going to post a picture and
make some comments on it.

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And attach this audio file to it
and see if this generates some
interest.

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Of course this could also be
deep thoughts with Jack Handy.

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Or have some value for the
viewers of my photo blog.

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The photo is titled, Double
Rainbow over Monty's Woods.

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This picture was taken a couple
weeks ago.

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So you clearly understand how
the community can benefit from
this type of podcast.

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And also if you're just into
yoga and want to relax, it's a
great podcast to check out.

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I was really pleased to see the
first Engadget podcast up here
on the scene.

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The Engadget guys not only did
they put their first podcast
together, but they also did yet

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another setup and explanation
very detailed with all the right
links.

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Engadget.com that's
E-N-G-A-D-G-E-T dot com of
course.

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from this post from iPodder. And
Gadget is already by itself just
a great web log. These

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guys basically have all the
latest stuff on the latest
gadgets and they've got secret

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insight information. Sometimes
they even get in trouble with
these companies because

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the traditional way of reviewing
new gadgets is you leak
something to your favorite
reporter

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and then maybe they'll get a
picture about

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And the trade shows, they're
taking pictures behind with
little camera phones.

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They're getting intel from the
Far East.

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And this really pisses off a lot
of companies.

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get enough of this stuff. So
they've already got a very
established community going on.

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They're now, as a part of the
gadgetry, they decided to set up
a podcast system, do it with

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as much open source of free
software as possible. And even
that took them well over three
hours

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and they had some good examples
there from the stuff that Hugo
Schochmann has done.

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talking about. They got it all
together with an interesting new
way of connecting all the

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bits by the way. So I might try
that out on a show soon because
they basically did a show

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together through iChat. Quality
isn't quite perfect yet but I
think that has more to

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do with the microphones than the
setup. It's like at least one of
the mics with the internal

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mic because I think I can hear
the fan noise which is, that's
kind of the way it works

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with the, I love the power book.
So you have two speakers built
into the power book

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and the internal mic is actually
in the left speaker and so of
course if you're

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doing an iChat and someone's
talking then if you're using the
internal mic it's

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gonna you know it's gonna hear
that speaker and it's gonna send
that person's

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voice right back and that
wouldn't have been very good so
Apple came up with a

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brilliant solution and what you
first think of is oh this voice
filtering.

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What they did is when you're
doing an iChat the left speaker
is disabled and

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this person comes through the
right speaker. It's very...

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typical bootstrap fix there.

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So of course I listened to their
first podcast

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and these guys are all over,
they're smart,

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they know what's going on,

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they know that there's business
to be done with podcasting

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and they were talking about it.

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And with like the FCC even
coming down on Howard Stern,

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why not just ride around that
and offer subscriptions

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or figure out ways.

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And I guess that'll be the next
thing

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is how to make money on this.

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Yeah, I'm sure we'll see some of
that coming out.

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You can, like you said, I mean,

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the FCC's involvement in
actually being proactive

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about monitoring and censoring
content,

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it actually changes the game
here

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kind of like how satellite radio
did

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with letting people pay for what
they wanna hear.

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And in some ways this goes a
step further

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unless people create what they
wanna hear.

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I mean, if you listen to some of
the broadcasts

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for being created, whether it's
Doc Searle's Linux show

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or Adam's broadcast with the
Daily Source Code,

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I mean, Adam, it's really
interesting.

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This is a guy who's a
professional broadcaster, right?

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He was on TV and...

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I think he's enjoying this sense
of freedom to be able to go say
what he wants and do what

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he wants.

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In fact, the other day I was
listening to it, I don't know if
you've noticed this, do

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you listen to his show?

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Yeah, I've listened to three of
them since I started poking
around on this.

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Okay.

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So I've been listening to them
all and the amazing thing is
Adam actually smells mad

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weed on the air.

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And so the really funny thing is
you're sitting there and all of
a sudden you hear

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a lighter flick and a bull start
or a bong start going in the
background and Adam's

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sitting there taking hits on the
air.

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He's talking about whatever he
wants.

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He's swearing, he's doing all
this crazy stuff.

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And you know, you just think
about what he's doing.

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He's running his own media and
his listeners.

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So it's kind of busted him out
into his own thing.

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Yeah, I can't imagine having to
pitch that as a show idea to
someone.

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So here's the thing.

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It's atmosphere, city, and
house.

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Smoke and weed, talking about
technology.

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And he gives away the content at
the end of the show.

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People are downloading it.

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They can do it right.

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What do you think?

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I can see them going to the
programming director.

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So we're going to do this show
where I call up Dave Winer

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and we smoke weed on the phone
and talk about technology

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and whatever else.

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No, no.

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It's the graduate meets easy
riders.

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And then we play songs in weird
remixes and mash-ups

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of George Bush.

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Exactly.

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So I have some technology
stories

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that I kind of bookmarked for
this broadcast.

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If you want to talk about a
couple fun things,

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a couple of interesting things.

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One of them is it's just a
prediction.

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I think speaking of iPods and
this.

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broadcasting thing. There's some
rumors about whether there's
going to be a flash

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base iPod and flash bases and
non hard drive.

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So there you go already straight
into some good news and some
tidbits there.

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iPod and I think that's actually
confirmed but listen to the
Engadget podcast for more
information on that and just a
few notes about that

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Now first of all you have to
know I was raised in the
Netherlands born in the States
who moved here when I was seven
and I remember quite well

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Just to give you an idea of the
culture of Europe and how that
differs immediately media from
the States

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I'll never forget there was a
show on the television in 1972

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Television in Netherlands
consisted of two channels two
national channels

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They started at 7 p.m. With the
news on both channels identical
news was very much like Russia
and

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It ended around 11 30 with a
clock, you know and then it went
over to the

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To the test pattern that was it
time to go to bed make babies
whatever come on good people of
the lowlands go to bed

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And I'll never forget that like
7 30 there was the show on once
or twice a week called chef on
ukul's

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Thing was disco show or
whatever, but it was it was a
wacky show

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It was kind of like Benny Hill

53:31.500 --> 53:35.500
In a way like yeah a bit of
Benny Hill except the girl

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that are running around are
naked.

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I'll never forget my parents.

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Here we are, this all-American
family.

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And 730, I'm sitting there with
my sister going,

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dude, check this out.

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What is going on?

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I thought this was going to suck
this movie.

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This is a great country.

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So the human body is considered
something that can be shown.

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Another part of the culture, in
the Netherlands at least, not
all over Europe, is that

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people have their curtains wide
open during the day.

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Please look into my house.

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I want you to feel welcome.

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When they're closed means you're
not welcome, of course.

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And obviously, when it comes to
drug policy, who are we kidding?

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Who are we kidding?

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So I am totally enjoying this
freedom.

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I'm used to a lot of this
freedom.

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I'm used to being able to...

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What swear words am I really
using?

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I'm used to being myself.

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That's the morning radio show I
did.

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I think part of the success of
that.

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for a year was because I was
just being myself, just shooting
the breeze.

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Howard Stern is the same.

54:42.500 --> 54:46.500
It may be one part of Howard
Stern, but he's just being
himself and he's saying what
he's

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thinking and he's saying hey,
nice boobies, you know, because
he means it.

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And I think that's what people
like, is honesty.

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We're so fucking tired of, you
know, television screaming at us
and editing in effects,
particularly

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editing, you know, concealing
the real truth behind what
happened.

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All the reality shit.

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from hours of tape and sound
effects are put in and
voiceovers, all to position you
and

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help your brain understand the
story that they're trying to
tell.

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And people I think, that's why
people go back to theater.

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That's why actors go back to
theater.

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They want to have something real
that's live and it's just not
exciting after a while.

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And I think that's what's
happened with radio and I think
that's why we're here

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with podcasts.

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The only freedom I haven't
enjoyed, mind you, even in the
very liberal United States

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of Europe, which still doesn't
have a constitution, is freedom
of choice of music.

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Now at MTV in the beginning we
could say a lot more, but at a
certain point it was you

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can't rag on any artists.

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You can't say Alana Miles, yeah,
she's Miss Doug Morris who works
for Atlantic Records.

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You couldn't say that.

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That was a big no-no.

55:51.000 --> 55:54.000
You know, in fact we had to say
Michael Jackson, the king of
pop.

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Did I ever tell you that story?

55:57.000 --> 56:01.000
That MTV has always been
pre-recorded except for some of
the live events.

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And on Thursday we record for
Saturday and Sunday.

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On Friday we record for months.

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So it was a double shift on
Thursday.

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We had to do two shows worth.

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So a lot of the VJs are there.

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It's one after another.

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We're taping these segments.

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We didn't ever see the videos
while we were taping, right?

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Those were in.

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Long Island.

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And so it was Michael Jackson
weekend, all a part of the big
Michael Jackson will only

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appear on the Video Music Awards
if we make Michael Jackson.

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And we all had to come back on
Friday and do three shifts.

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So including Mondays, we had to
do Saturday and Sunday over
again because part of the deal

56:43.000 --> 56:48.000
that was negotiated between MTV
and Michael Jackson is that
every single time we would

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use his name, you would have to
comma, pause and say the king of
pot.

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So it had to be Michael Jackson,
the king of pot.

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That freedom wasn't there to say
Michael Jackson, who is still
probably a really good musician

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but looks so fucking freaky.

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And even on the radio, the radio
stations need to have some kind
of automation.

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They need to have some kind of
playlist so that it's the way
radio works in today's

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commercial environment.

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If you're talking top 40
stations, they're really only
playing 100 records, if even
that.

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And they just repeat them over
and over and over again because
the top 40 station, your

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average listening time is 15
minutes, if that.

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And it better be a number one
hit song playing when you tune
in or a big hit from a recurrent

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about 8 to 10 years ago.

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Now other types of stations have
a much like an easy listening or
a mix, the best of

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the 70s, 80s and 90s.

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They'll have a little broader
playlist but still you can't
have the disc jockeys or the

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air talent choosing the records
all the time because you may get
some weird doubles.

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And of course all about control.

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know, there's business behind
the records that are played.

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So I've never been in control of
what I wanted to play.

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Yeah, you can always do one
yourself.

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You can always switch stuff
around the playlist if you want
to.

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If you know the music directly.

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But you never had that freedom.

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And now not only do I have the
freedom to do that,

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but I have a library at my
disposal

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that is so humongous.

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I've got everything, the Beach
Boys.

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I want to get some Beach Boys.

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I had good vibrations, but it
was like a shitty MP3.

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Only one minute of it.

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Went to LimeWire, downloaded it,
ready to go.

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But it's not just for that.

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There's podcasts will be
archived

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and will be stored on
peer-to-peer networks.

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It's a beautiful thing.

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So back to the words, the cuss
words, et cetera.

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I think the only real thing I
said is fuck.

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I tried it, my daughter who's 14
also is trying to grok this
whole concept of, why is this

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word not good?

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Why is this finger not good?

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And there's no one who can
explain the difference better
than our friend, George Carlin,
here

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to give you the seven words you
can't say on TV or radio for
that matter, but in a podcast,

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it's okay.

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I love words.

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I thank you for hearing my
words.

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I want to tell you something
about words that I think is
important.

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I love, as I say, they're my
work, they're my play, they're
my passion.

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Words are all we have really.

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We have thoughts, but thoughts
are fluid, you know.

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And then we assign a word to a
thought.

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And we're stuck with that word
for that thought.

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So be careful with words.

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I like to think, yeah, the same
words, you know, that hurt can
heal.

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It's a matter of how you pick
them.

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There are some people that
aren't into all the words.

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There are some people that would
have you not use certain words.

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Yeah, there are 400,000 words in
the...

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language and there are seven of
them you can't say on
television. What a ratio that
is. 399,993 to 7.

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They must really be bad.

01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:11.000
They'd have to be outrageous

01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:13.000
to be separated from a group
that large.

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All of you over here, you seven.

01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:19.000
Bad words.

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That's what they told us they
were, remember? That's a bad
word.

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No bad words. Bad thoughts. Bad
intentions. And words.

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You know the seven, don't you,
that you can't say on
television?

01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:40.000
Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cock,
sucka, motherfucker, and tits.

01:00:49.500 --> 01:00:51.500
Those are the heavy sevens.

01:00:52.500 --> 01:00:55.500
Those are the ones that'll
infect your soul,

01:00:56.500 --> 01:00:57.500
curve your spine,

01:00:58.500 --> 01:01:01.500
and keep the country from
winning the war.

01:01:02.500 --> 01:01:05.500
Shit piss fuck cunt cock fuck a
motherfucker and tits, wow.

01:01:06.500 --> 01:01:10.500
And tits doesn't even belong on
the list, you know?

01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:21.000
Such a friendly sounding word.
Sounds like a nickname, right?

01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:24.000
Hey, tits, come here!

01:01:28.500 --> 01:01:31.500
Right, tits meet tuts, tuts
tits, tuts tuts, man.

01:01:32.500 --> 01:01:34.500
Sounds like a snack, doesn't it,
man?

01:01:34.500 --> 01:01:37.500
Yes, I know, it is, right.

01:01:40.500 --> 01:01:42.500
And I don't mean your sexist
snack.

01:01:42.500 --> 01:01:44.500
I mean new Nabisco tits!

01:01:46.500 --> 01:01:48.500
New cheese tits

01:01:49.500 --> 01:01:54.500
Corn tits and pizza tits and
sesame tits onion tits

01:01:56.500 --> 01:01:58.500
Tater tits

01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:05.000
Bet you can't eat just one!

01:02:10.500 --> 01:02:12.500
I usually switch off

01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:18.000
But I mean, that word does not
belong on the list.

01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:24.000
Actually, none of the words
belong on the list, but you can
understand why some of them are
there.

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I'm not completely insensitive
to people's feelings, you know,
I can dig why some of those
words got on the list.

01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:33.000
Like, cocksucker and
motherfucker, those are...

01:02:34.500 --> 01:02:41.500
heavyweight words. There's a lot
going on there.

01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:52.000
Besides the literal translation
and the emotional feeling, I
mean, they're just busy words.

01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:56.000
There's a lot of syllables to
contend with.

01:02:56.000 --> 01:03:00.000
And those K's, those regressive
sounds, they jump out at you,
man.

01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:01.000
Cuckaboo, the fucker!

01:03:04.500 --> 01:03:06.500
like an assault on you, you
know?

01:03:06.500 --> 01:03:07.500
I can dig, then.

01:03:08.500 --> 01:03:11.500
Now, we mentioned shit earlier,
of course, and, uh,

01:03:11.500 --> 01:03:14.500
two of the other four-letter
Anglo-Saxon words are piss and
cunt,

01:03:14.500 --> 01:03:16.500
which go together, of course,
but forget about it.

01:03:18.500 --> 01:03:20.500
Little accidental humor, I
further.

01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:25.500
The reason the piss and cunt are
on the list is that a long time
ago

01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:32.000
I don't mind fucking shit, but
PNC are a-

01:03:34.500 --> 01:03:35.500
P and C are...

01:03:37.500 --> 01:03:44.500
glad to such stupid sentences is
okay you fuckers I'm going to
take them now

01:03:58.500 --> 01:04:00.500
Of course, the word fuck.

01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:06.000
Fuck I don't really love his
some more accidental humor. I
don't really want to get into
that now

01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:14.000
because I think it takes too
long but I do mean that I mean I
think the word fuck

01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:19.000
is a very important word it's
beginning of life and yet it's a
word we use to

01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:24.000
hurt one another quite often and
people much wiser than I have
said I'd rather

01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:28.000
have my son watch a film with
two people

01:04:28.500 --> 01:04:31.500
people trying to kill one
another and I of course can
agree it's a great sentiment

01:04:31.500 --> 01:04:33.500
I wish I know who said it first
and I agree with that but

01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:39.000
I'd like to substitute the word
fuck for the word kill

01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:42.000
in all those movie cliches we
grew up with, right?

01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:45.000
Okay, Sheriff, we're gonna fuck
you now!

01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:56.000
But we're gonna fuck you slow!

01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:07.000
So maybe next year I'll have a
whole fucking rap on that word
and I hope so.

01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:12.000
There are two way words, those
are the seven you can never say
on television under any
circumstances.

01:05:19.500 --> 01:05:21.500
Forget those seven, they're out.

01:05:21.500 --> 01:05:24.500
But there are some two-way
words, those double meaning
words.

01:05:24.500 --> 01:05:26.500
Remember the ones you giggled at
in sixth grade?

01:05:26.500 --> 01:05:27.500
And the cockroach three times!

01:05:27.500 --> 01:05:29.500
Say the cockroach three times!

01:05:30.500 --> 01:05:32.500
It's in the Bible!

01:05:34.500 --> 01:05:40.500
There are some two-way words
like it's okay for Kurt Gowdy to
say Roberto Canetti has two
balls on him!

01:05:43.500 --> 01:05:46.500
I can't say I think he heard his
balls on that play, Tony.

01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:50.000
Please don't even... He must
have hurt them by now.

01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:03.000
And the other two-way word that
goes with that one is prick.

01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:06.000
It's okay if it goes to your
finger.

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Yes, you can prick your finger,
but don't finger your prick, no,
no.

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The always amazing George Carlin
with a classic, classic routine,
the seven dirty words you

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can't say, some words you can't
say on television.

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And I think that really sums it
up, you know.

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We just go on a little bit
overboard with the word usage in
English language at least.

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And which reminds me, I really
should cue up some Eddie Murphy
for you next time.

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You know, I've played a couple
of George Carlin bits.

01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:38.000
Eddie Murphy would be good too.

01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:39.000
He's got some classic bits.

01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:43.000
And podcasts are great for
comedy because, you know, we
still have the freedom to do

01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:44.000
what we want on them.

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So if you, you know, you
comedians, give us the joke of
the day.

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Give us the Italian pickup line
of the day.

01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:50.000
Give us anything.

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We're looking forward to it.

01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:53.000
And that's it for the source
code for today.

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I tried to keep it to an hour,
but George Carlin ran just a
little bit long.

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We're about to...

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And I want to thank you very
much for checking the show out.

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Of course, the Daily Source Code
is recorded live in front of a
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Flanders.

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