WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:20.000 This is Eric from AirCris.com and you're listening to the daily source code with Adam Curry. 00:20.000 --> 00:22.000 Hey how about that for us? 00:22.000 --> 00:27.000 If he started, everybody whoops, welcome to the daily source code. 00:27.000 --> 00:28.000 I'm Adam Curry. 00:28.000 --> 00:32.000 It is October 13th. It's a Wednesday, 2004. 00:32.000 --> 00:37.000 And once again, we're bringing you the best Belgium has to offer. 00:37.000 --> 00:40.000 How are you? 00:40.000 --> 00:44.000 I'm coming to you from Curry Castle in Flanders, Belgium. 00:44.000 --> 00:49.000 It's been another busy morning. I've been working on the directory. 00:49.000 --> 00:52.000 I potted out org man, there's so many podcasts coming out. 00:52.000 --> 00:56.000 Let's see in this show today, we'll be going through some usual comedy stuff. 00:56.000 --> 01:01.000 We'll be talking about OPML directories, which is something that even if you aren't 01:01.000 --> 01:06.000 non-a-geek and not a nerd and not a technology, you'll really like because we've got about six 01:06.000 --> 01:10.000 non-nurdy, non-GET people working with this right now. 01:10.000 --> 01:14.000 If you're in the information and linking, then this is completely for you. 01:14.000 --> 01:17.000 So stay tuned for that. 01:18.000 --> 01:24.000 We also have a couple of bits from Koma 1000, who of course are podcasting all of 01:24.000 --> 01:27.000 there or not all of a lot of their news items. 01:27.000 --> 01:30.000 Let's see a new podcast that we're going to talk about. 01:30.000 --> 01:36.000 Also Chris Perillo about the whole terminology podcasting. 01:36.000 --> 01:38.000 And of course, just a little bit of political stuff. 01:38.000 --> 01:42.000 And also backed by very popular demand and requests. 01:42.000 --> 01:46.000 I'm not going to tell you what it was. 01:46.000 --> 01:50.000 If you remember me playing it on the source code, I've got another one by Durewood 01:50.000 --> 01:51.000 Do-Shay for you. 01:51.000 --> 01:52.000 Stay tuned for that. 01:52.000 --> 01:54.000 So probably by an hour's worth. 01:54.000 --> 01:56.000 It's the source code for Wednesday. 01:56.000 --> 01:57.000 Let's get it cranked. 01:57.000 --> 02:02.000 Let's put some power into this podcast with Ram Jam's Black Betty. 02:03.750 --> 05:46.250 [ Music ] 05:51.000 --> 05:52.000 Betty, back, Betty. 05:52.000 --> 05:55.000 You turned Ram Jam into a big, one hit wonder. 05:55.000 --> 05:57.000 It's actually a lead belly original. 05:57.000 --> 05:59.000 I found out just recently. 05:59.000 --> 06:01.000 I was going to play that for you. 06:01.000 --> 06:05.160 play that for you. I had it stored somewhere in a playlist, almost like, let me move 06:05.160 --> 06:14.400 my phone a little bit. There we go. Oops. Sorry. Now, alright. Okay, that should sound 06:14.400 --> 06:20.240 a bit better. Yeah, I had a, I had led Billy actually performing that. If you don't know 06:20.240 --> 06:24.280 who led Billy is, I first heard about him on one of those rock and roll hall-of-famed 06:24.280 --> 06:32.340 dinners where, you know, all the running stones and, you know, feel specter and, and the 06:32.340 --> 06:37.920 kings and Bruce Springsteen and there's all these rock and roll grades come to honor each other 06:37.920 --> 06:43.520 and they're all wearing tuxedos. It was really funny. And it's $1,000 or played dinner 06:43.520 --> 06:50.560 if you can get in and, and all these guys like Keith Richards and Ron Wood and all the, you know, 06:51.560 --> 06:56.000 little Steven and all these guitar grades would all say, you know, led Billy really turned 06:56.000 --> 07:01.200 me on to rock and roll and was all led Billy's influence. That's just really old, I'm sure 07:01.200 --> 07:06.400 he's, he doesn't. He's not alive anymore, I'm sure, but of course he was inducted into the rock 07:06.400 --> 07:12.000 hall of fame and I actually came across a track of him singing Black Betty. It sounded very 07:12.000 --> 07:16.000 different, but you, you know, just, you'd never think that that would later become, it was 07:16.080 --> 07:22.560 a pretty big hit in the 70s. Okay, so this is your daily source code. Well, let me just 07:22.560 --> 07:29.840 reset everything there. Okay, using this sound flower plug-in so I can monitor my own voice 07:29.840 --> 07:35.520 and sometimes it, it, the buffer kind of overstreams or something or gets filled up and then 07:35.520 --> 07:39.600 I start to hear myself with the delay in the headphones, not very cool. Something I didn't 07:39.600 --> 07:44.880 talk about on previous source codes, of course, yesterday wasn't a source code. I had everything 07:44.880 --> 07:49.520 all cut up and I saw the Dave was awake at like five a.m. Seattle time and I was just about 07:49.520 --> 07:52.720 ready to record, I said, well dude, why don't we just, you know, we hadn't spoken a couple of days. 07:52.720 --> 07:58.480 So why don't we just do our rap and we'll record a show and then we had an opening of a new 07:58.480 --> 08:04.880 grandmaster view store about 45 minutes drive and I had to be there on seven, shut up around 08:04.880 --> 08:08.960 730 because I had to eat and you know, so I just didn't really have time to do a source code 08:09.040 --> 08:15.120 release, there was some audio that went out yesterday. So I didn't get to talk about Christopher 08:15.120 --> 08:22.400 Reeve passing away and this is sad, you know, when you think about, it was 1995 when he fell off 08:22.400 --> 08:28.960 his horse. A grant he was doing some pretty high like steeple chase height jumping and that 08:28.960 --> 08:36.560 put him in the hospital and made him quadriplegic and he's been a big proponent of stem cell 08:36.640 --> 08:45.680 research because there certainly is hope that the condition that he had, that there was some help for 08:45.680 --> 08:50.240 that or some fix for that if we can do more research, well, you probably know all about that debate. 08:50.240 --> 08:55.200 And then all of a sudden, man, it's just like boom, you know, you read and actually the newspaper 08:55.200 --> 09:00.000 has always been printed here. So it didn't really hit the newspapers here. It was at Monday because 09:00.000 --> 09:05.360 he died Sunday night and the papers here had already printed from Monday, but it saw it online around 09:05.360 --> 09:08.640 eight o'clock in the morning and it was like, wow, you know, and he had a heart attack and slips 09:08.640 --> 09:14.880 into a coma, it's just sucks. So, but of course, you can trust the web to, you know, to be thinking 09:14.880 --> 09:21.840 about about Christopher Reeve and, you know, just, whereas I used to look maybe five, six years ago, 09:21.840 --> 09:25.280 I used to look in the morning at my email inbox and say, you know, what goodies has it brought 09:25.280 --> 09:32.400 for me today? These days I go to my playlist in iTunes or on my iPod and to see what goodies 09:32.400 --> 09:35.680 the web has brought for me and this is one that showed up. 10:02.800 --> 10:10.960 Christopher Reeve, definitely this superman of my generation. All right, looking at some email 10:10.960 --> 10:14.960 sent to the daily source code, by the way, I'm printing these out now because my screen is so full 10:14.960 --> 10:19.840 with player windows and all this stuff that I have queued up for you and I don't want to run 10:19.840 --> 10:23.920 as few applications as possible to make sure that we don't get any skipping in the recording. 10:23.920 --> 10:28.320 This is from Benjamin Walker, he says he, you know, he likes listening to the source code. 10:28.400 --> 10:32.800 This is a public radio producer in Boston, just started a new show called The Theory of Everything, 10:33.360 --> 10:40.000 which also airs in San Francisco on KL, KALW and also also work for the Berkman Center, 10:40.640 --> 10:47.920 which is Harvard Law and Creative Commons. Now he said, he said, I figured out the podcast 10:47.920 --> 10:54.160 and thing all of my own, the enclosure part was easy. The changing the dot RDF to the dot XML part 10:54.240 --> 10:59.680 was very, very hard because all you smart folks have forgotten that there are clueless people 10:59.680 --> 11:06.080 like me out there and all the how-to sites left this out because it was obvious or something. 11:06.800 --> 11:12.560 Yes. And believe me, Benjamin, there are lots of geeks who do this stuff who are listening 11:12.560 --> 11:18.560 and everyone's trying to do better. So it goes on to him so excited about the invention, 11:18.560 --> 11:21.520 cannot tell him which is who will mean the next generation of pub. Oh, this is actually, 11:21.520 --> 11:26.160 I shouldn't mumble over this. I'm actually all caps. I am so excited about your invention. 11:26.160 --> 11:30.160 I cannot tell you how much this tool will mean to the next generation of public radio producers 11:30.160 --> 11:35.760 who want to find a way to connect with listeners without being tethered to the out-of-touch stations 11:35.760 --> 11:41.520 themselves. Excellent. Excellent. And we already have morning stories from MPR Tony Khan, 11:41.520 --> 11:46.560 which is already officially sanctioned as up and running as a podcast. So here he has a question. 11:46.560 --> 11:51.040 I got myself a 20 gig a month web hosting plan at the beginning of the month. I figured it would 11:51.120 --> 11:56.480 be more than enough. Of course, he's already started his podcast, which you can find in the iPod 11:56.480 --> 12:02.720 podcast directory. Yesterday, he says, the traffic was already at 7 gigs. Today, it's up to 14. 12:04.320 --> 12:08.080 I'm wondering if the podcast in community is growing this fast or if it's a matter of people 12:08.080 --> 12:12.160 trying out the different software and doubting the downloading the same stuff repeatedly. 12:12.160 --> 12:17.360 I only have 45 megs up total right now. Don't want to piss off my new hosting provider in the 12:17.360 --> 12:21.520 first month. Thanks for your time. Benjamin Walker. Benjamin, you hit on something that happened to me 12:21.520 --> 12:26.640 yesterday as well. I was just about to hop on the phone with a couple of people actually a 12:26.640 --> 12:34.400 Doug K from IT conversations. When I got a call from the CEO of, I think it's either 12:34.400 --> 12:41.520 Tiskly, the Netherlands or Tiskly Europe. It could be Tiskly Europe. He was a Dutchman no matter what. 12:41.600 --> 12:47.440 Now, I got to go back a little bit in history. Two years ago, I sold a hosting company that 12:47.440 --> 12:53.840 had called the Data Barn. Because early in 2000, all this ban, all these bandwidth stories were 12:54.640 --> 12:59.120 running about and there was money to be made. Of course, a lot of that was double accounting 12:59.120 --> 13:03.840 turns out in the long run. But really after the bubble burst, there was just no one looking 13:03.840 --> 13:08.880 for, you know, rack space and floor space and the right peering and connections. 13:09.920 --> 13:14.320 So I'd by then acquired, and my partner's also started to flake out. So I'd acquired all 13:14.320 --> 13:18.240 their shares and then I sold the whole company to the employees and to management. And as a 13:18.240 --> 13:25.040 part of the deal, I said, well, I want to have my rack in the facility and hosting and I don't 13:25.040 --> 13:29.280 need much service and maybe a reboot now and then. But ban with just, you know, that's just 13:29.680 --> 13:34.400 for me. Whatever I'm using and we agreed, I think we actually put in writing that I, you know, 13:34.400 --> 13:39.840 I wouldn't start a porn site or something like that. Well, yesterday, I got a call from the CEO. 13:39.840 --> 13:45.200 It was a new CEO because they acquired the company, data barn and cap cave actually. 13:47.200 --> 13:52.880 Tiskly acquired them probably about a year ago. And so there was a, you know, a grandfather 13:52.880 --> 13:58.240 agreement and I'd never met this guy. I think there was even a CEO before him or general manager 13:58.240 --> 14:02.880 of God knows what. And he said, hey, Adam, you know, I do and I'm like to introduce myself. 14:02.880 --> 14:06.160 He was really nice and I knew what was coming and he said, you know, I'm looking at your 14:06.160 --> 14:12.560 bandwidth, you know, mass what you're doing. And I said, well, what he means is, well, you're pushing 14:12.560 --> 14:21.520 35 megabits per second continuously, continuous traffic, 35 megabits. And he says, and our other 14:21.520 --> 14:26.000 customers are complaining because, you know, they, people, their sites are slowing down because 14:26.000 --> 14:31.600 you're kind of filling up the entire pipe. And I know where their other customers are and I know 14:31.600 --> 14:37.920 who complain because they have the national state lottery of the Netherlands and U2 with the U2.com, 14:37.920 --> 14:41.760 all their multimedia. So I thought, you know, I'm already laughing like, all right, my little podcast 14:41.760 --> 14:50.000 is disturbing the multimedia of U2. So I, I said, well, you know, actually I had already anticipated 14:50.080 --> 14:54.400 you calling and I really glad you did. And as you probably noticed, I've already started moving 14:54.400 --> 14:59.280 stuff over to a dot market count because it's, you know, I looked at my own stats and per day, 15:00.240 --> 15:06.320 so just want to compare apples to apples here. Benjamin is now shipping what he says, 7, 7 gigs 15:06.320 --> 15:12.800 on the first day. So doing about 7 gigs a day, which is actually quite a lot. Also he has a good podcast. 15:12.800 --> 15:18.080 It's also the length is, you know, everything counts, right? Every bit counts, every encoding bit you 15:18.160 --> 15:22.480 have at a higher setting, at the file size, and all of that's going to count in these totals. 15:23.680 --> 15:32.480 But I'm shipping out close to 40 gigabytes of data per day, 40 gigs of data. 15:34.400 --> 15:39.200 And so he said, well, you know, I'm looking at, you know, previous agreements, I don't 15:39.200 --> 15:43.040 quite understand what the deal was inside random through it quickly. And I said, but you know what, 15:43.920 --> 15:49.200 I said, you know, it's my understanding having come from the hosting business and having started 15:49.200 --> 15:56.240 that and done a lot of these peering agreements, is that there can be a benefit to top tier 15:56.240 --> 16:04.880 providers to having all the flow coming from one place, namely from them, because, and there are 16:04.880 --> 16:10.960 other people who can almost suck them. So we set my buffer. There are other people who can explain 16:11.040 --> 16:18.640 this much better than I can. But at these network access points or maps, you may have heard of 16:18.640 --> 16:25.040 May East or May West or the, we have the M6, the Amsterdam Internet Exchange. That's where all these 16:25.040 --> 16:30.560 big ISPs come together, and they hand off traffic to each other, and they do it under appearing 16:30.560 --> 16:34.560 agreement. And it's kind of exactly what it sounds like, you know, we're peers. And so I'm going to 16:34.560 --> 16:40.000 ship you like a million gigs of data this month, and you're going to be shipping a million 16:40.000 --> 16:44.320 gigs of data to me. So it's a wash, right? And we're peers and don't worry about it. 16:46.320 --> 16:50.960 And so there's no money that actually changes hand. Now, if you don't have a peering agreement 16:50.960 --> 16:56.720 with the big telco provider, you have to buy transit, which means you have to buy that bandwidth 16:56.720 --> 17:03.200 from some other provider who's closer to that particular pipe that you want to be to. So if someone 17:03.200 --> 17:09.600 wants to get the daily source code, and they're on a provider, particularly in the United States, 17:09.600 --> 17:15.600 that can't get to me directly by peering because you're on, you know, a subnet of something, 17:15.600 --> 17:20.000 you know, this is where it starts to break down my explanation. But your provider will actually 17:20.000 --> 17:24.880 have to buy that transit to help you suck that stuff down, which is why a lot of ISPs use 17:24.880 --> 17:30.160 caching technology. So that means that there's an unbalanced and imbalance, and that power can be 17:31.120 --> 17:39.280 created by having all the demand for particular content coming from one particular area, from one particular 17:39.280 --> 17:44.320 network. That's kind of my lame and explanation. If anyone out there who's listening to the source 17:44.320 --> 17:49.520 code can explain this, please record our an MP3 and send it my way because I think that's the way it is. 17:49.520 --> 17:54.320 And if it is that way, then that could be very advantageous. Anyway, this guy took the bait immediately, 17:54.320 --> 17:59.200 he said, yeah, we should talk about all that. So there must be something there, right? If not just for PR, 18:01.040 --> 18:05.920 for public relations reasons. So I'm going to meet up with him next Thursday. But clearly, 18:05.920 --> 18:09.520 this is going to be a problem. We know Bitcoin is definitely a part of this solution, 18:10.400 --> 18:16.480 but we're thinking about it. So you're not alone. But what I've been doing and this is what I would 18:16.480 --> 18:21.680 recommend for the time being is getting a dot mac account if you're on a Mac. There's all kinds of 18:21.680 --> 18:28.160 free accounts. Accounts you can get that include storage and bandwidth. You know, you just kind of 18:28.320 --> 18:36.320 have to spread the load a little bit. And the way I see everything going, people who have the 18:36.320 --> 18:41.520 type of traffic that we're talking about will pretty soon will be able to, you know, make some 18:41.520 --> 18:46.400 kind of deals so that you can get compensated. The first thing I'm going to lay down in front of this 18:46.400 --> 18:52.000 guy next week is, hey, why do you sponsor the daily source code with bandwidth? That's, you know, 18:52.000 --> 18:57.120 because of course, they probably throttle me down to about two megabits per second now, 18:57.680 --> 19:01.280 which, you know, if you're using iPod, you're still going to get the files, 19:01.280 --> 19:04.800 just going to take longer to bring them in. And as I said, I'm spreading it around to other 19:05.680 --> 19:10.560 other hosting locations. But that makes so much sense, you know, and then we'll find out if they 19:10.560 --> 19:14.320 really is a benefit for them, because he's not going to be giving away something, you know, 19:14.320 --> 19:20.160 for just a handful of thousand people to listen to. So we'll see, I will report back on that. 19:20.880 --> 19:25.760 Okay, it's the source code. What do we add? Wednesday, October 13th, middle of the week, 19:25.760 --> 19:28.080 hump day time for some raster web jokio. 19:35.680 --> 19:43.040 Welcome to raster web jokio for today. Hey, what's the deal with podcast? I mean, you're not 19:43.040 --> 19:50.720 casting pods, right? Hey, what's up with that? You suck! Thank you, thank you, good night. I'm here all 19:50.720 --> 19:57.920 week. Thank you Pete. I hope that brighten up your day like it did mine. Whenever I see a raster web 19:57.920 --> 20:01.360 and it's like 30 seconds, I know it's going to be funny. So the first time you're playing, 20:01.360 --> 20:07.520 it's always the best. We talked yesterday on the combined trade secret daily source code about 20:07.520 --> 20:12.080 the opml directory. Don't roll your eyes in your hand right away, because I think if you like 20:12.080 --> 20:19.280 web logs, you'll really like what opml directories are all about. So on ipod.org, I started 20:19.280 --> 20:24.800 a directory of podcasts. Now creating a directory, if you're seeing the demos or if you're seeing 20:24.800 --> 20:29.040 Yahoo's directory, and we talked about this, Dave and I talked about it yesterday on the source 20:29.040 --> 20:35.040 secrets. Let's call it that the combined show. There's a lot of politics and what's the top level, 20:35.040 --> 20:40.400 what are the top categories? And the great thing about the opml directory is that everybody can 20:40.400 --> 20:45.680 be the top level. It's just like a web log. There's no top level to the internet, to the web. 20:45.760 --> 20:51.760 Anyone can have a top level. I'm sure I want you to see ipod.org as a top level, but if you don't 20:51.760 --> 21:00.000 like it, you can just follow the tree and connect, I'm sorry, you can follow the tree down 21:00.000 --> 21:04.880 to something you do like and you can put that into your own top level and you can be the top level. 21:04.880 --> 21:09.920 Let's all copy paste stuff because it's done in outlines. If you're never using the outline 21:09.920 --> 21:14.960 or go to outliners.org and look at and see what the history of outlines, you've probably done 21:14.960 --> 21:19.600 outlinings in school. At least if you're educated in the states in Europe, they don't, 21:19.600 --> 21:24.800 they've never taught the concept of outlining at all, which is amazing to me. Or at least not that 21:24.800 --> 21:30.480 I've found in my European education. And so it's real simple. You have, you know, the outline is 21:30.480 --> 21:35.840 just like the directory. And if you want to create a new category or subcategory, you just 21:35.840 --> 21:41.040 tab the next node underneath that. And you can collapse stuff. So it's easy to organize. It is easy 21:41.200 --> 21:45.760 to keep track of it. And if you want to point off sight off of your directory, just like you 21:45.760 --> 21:51.280 would a link with a weblog, then you do exactly that except it's not a dot HTML link you're 21:51.280 --> 21:58.320 pointing to. It's a dot OPML link, which stands for outline processor markup language, just like HTML, 21:58.320 --> 22:05.040 hypertext markup language. And what's cool is so now we have six different categories on the 22:05.040 --> 22:10.240 ipodder.org podcast directory, which are handled by other people. And if you look at the music 22:10.240 --> 22:14.960 directory, the minute you click on the music directory, you'll see that the owner of that link of 22:14.960 --> 22:21.360 that node is someone else. It's not me. And if you click on the suggest the link, the email is going 22:21.360 --> 22:26.720 to go to that person. Now under that, you'll see a category mixes. And you'll see the mix of the 22:26.720 --> 22:32.000 week. And you'll see, so that's maintained by yet someone else who's also just basically posting 22:32.480 --> 22:38.240 an OPML document on a web server, just like you would an HTML document. So the whole thing kind of 22:38.240 --> 22:41.840 flows together, and you can traverse it left and right. And if you want to know more about that, 22:42.400 --> 22:48.240 then definitely listen to yesterday's daily source code, because they've given a very good 22:48.240 --> 22:52.400 explanation about the power of what this could be. And once we get the search engine guys in, then 22:53.440 --> 23:00.960 life will be beautiful. And I do believe that. I came across Port-Lets podcast today, the fifth 23:01.120 --> 23:05.440 in the series so far. Port-Let is one of the contributors to the OPML directory. So I thought 23:05.440 --> 23:12.240 maybe we let it better to let him talk about how it's working. Then me, because it's just right 23:12.240 --> 23:18.080 me promoting shit that I'm doing. So please listen to what else. One of the things I think is 23:18.080 --> 23:22.880 more really interesting that's going long is now there's a the director of podcasts come along 23:22.880 --> 23:30.080 and I'm taking part in that. And I'll be managing a couple of lists. I decided that I'd like to see 23:30.080 --> 23:36.720 more comedy. And I'd like to see more interviews stuff out there. So I'm taking part myself to help out. 23:38.240 --> 23:47.440 And submitted my suggestions for subcategories to Adam Curry, the guy that's run in the 23:47.440 --> 23:58.000 ipotter.org list. And you can find it if you go to www.ipotter.org. And then look on the left hand 23:58.000 --> 24:03.120 column. You'll see if you haven't seen the site before. Just look on the left hand column. For those 24:03.120 --> 24:07.280 of you who've been there before, you'll actually notice it's got a new design. Look for the directory, 24:07.280 --> 24:14.000 click on that button. And then look for the categories. And you'll see not just comedy and humor 24:14.000 --> 24:17.280 and interviews, but you'll see if quite a few other categories and you'll see the directories growing. 24:18.400 --> 24:26.000 And it is filling up. There's still way more empty categories I think than there are actually 24:26.000 --> 24:33.440 shows. But it's easy to contribute. So especially, one mind, if you've got something out there 24:33.440 --> 24:40.320 that's funny, or you've got some interviews of something the podcast you want to do. Just submit it. 24:40.320 --> 24:47.040 Go the ipotters.org site. Look for the directory link. If you have a feed, just look for the 24:47.040 --> 24:54.080 Submit link. And if it's classified as comedy or if it's an interview, I'll get the listing. 24:54.080 --> 24:58.640 And I'll be able to update my list. It doesn't have to be those categories. There's other ones 24:58.640 --> 25:04.720 there like food and technology and stuff like that. And when you submit your site, your feed, 25:04.720 --> 25:10.320 whoever's running that list will be able to update the list. Some of the categories I've got started in 25:11.120 --> 25:20.480 comedy thing is, let's give you more or less my topic. Tonight, I've got sketch, song, 25:20.480 --> 25:30.480 parody, political, satire, commentary, current events, the absurd, the last category. I just thought 25:31.120 --> 25:38.000 kind of, I hate the word miscellaneous. Okay, so you see how people can really get involved in 25:38.080 --> 25:42.000 maintaining their category. I mean, and you're a part of the whole system. So if you want, 25:42.000 --> 25:46.000 if you're interested, or you want to find out more about contributing to the ipotter.org podcast 25:46.000 --> 25:52.640 directory, it's completely open. Go to ipotter.org, go to the podcast directory, and there's 25:52.640 --> 25:58.800 a sub directory there that's titled contribute. Yeah, we thought about this stuff. Okay, 25:58.800 --> 26:03.040 here's a bit from Koma 1000. I picked up on the podcast that I like the one to share with you. 26:08.960 --> 26:15.040 It's really so incredible. It's hard to explain. DDPR, saying Torx songs and jazz clubs in St. Louis and 26:15.040 --> 26:20.640 Chicago using stage names like Little Girl Blue and Laurie Allen. But it was her voice that 26:20.640 --> 26:25.920 captivated a record producer in the 50s and convinced her to record 12 songs. The company went 26:25.920 --> 26:30.720 to the point, as soon as it was recorded, obviously, and I thought it was totally lost. 26:30.720 --> 26:37.920 Like the bubbles in a glass of champagne. After the company shut down, 26:37.920 --> 26:43.040 Pierce went on with her own life, raising two daughters and marrying, while the songs which 26:43.040 --> 26:48.640 were never published were forgotten by just about everyone. But some research on the internet 26:48.640 --> 26:54.080 unearthed them owned by a small record label that specialized in obscure recording. He's 26:54.080 --> 27:00.240 was delighted to put the bits and pieces back together and here it is. It's a dream come true, 27:00.240 --> 27:03.440 although I feel like I'm standing here in my fuzzy slippers. 27:07.440 --> 27:13.200 Pierce is now expecting to hear of her work from 1957, will be nominated for a Grammy. 27:13.200 --> 27:17.760 And after decades of suspense, she's willing to wait a little more. It's like going back 27:18.320 --> 27:24.000 and being a ghost at your own past. It's really been incredible. So I have one foot in 1957 and 27:24.480 --> 27:33.200 one in 2004. John Rapp, coma, 1000 news. Isn't that a great story? Isn't the internet great? 27:33.200 --> 27:38.480 Isn't the web great? We can find that stuff. Well, we'll see what happens with the upcoming Grammy 27:38.480 --> 27:44.640 awards. I'm going to kind of mix it up today, a little bit of podcast stuff, a little bit of political 27:44.640 --> 27:50.480 stuff, a little bit of music still on the way. This is, I wanted to play this just the intro 27:50.480 --> 27:54.720 of this podcast for you because a lot of people are talking about, well, what's in the show? Do I really 27:54.720 --> 27:59.040 want to listen to the whole thing? You kind of should just treat it like radio. You know, 27:59.040 --> 28:04.000 use that away from the station if you're bored. And that's what those of us that are making these 28:04.000 --> 28:09.520 shows are going to have to realize that if you're boring, people are going to zap to the next show, 28:09.520 --> 28:15.760 maybe fast forward through your show. And it works that could unsubscribe from the feed. So there's 28:15.920 --> 28:21.840 a number of different ways to do that. Right now, we don't have a lot of MP3 players that 28:22.480 --> 28:28.080 can really display all the meta data. And I just don't know how we're going to solve that. But 28:28.080 --> 28:33.120 the simple way is just to tell people upfront, here's what's in my show and maybe even like this 28:33.120 --> 28:39.280 example, what you show is about. Wow, to tech rad terrains. This podcast is coming to you just 28:39.280 --> 28:44.800 east of San Diego, California, in the city of Oklahoma. I anticipate that the target audience with 28:44.800 --> 28:51.840 this show is seasoned information technology professionals and power users. There you go. So that's 28:51.840 --> 28:58.560 one way to do it, which works very fine. And I knew in just seconds, I knew well, maybe this isn't 28:58.560 --> 29:02.160 for me. And by the way, I don't know if I subscribed to all this. I tried to subscribe to just 29:02.160 --> 29:06.720 about everything, but I've got stuff coming in from so many different directions. And this showed up 29:06.720 --> 29:13.600 on IT conversations in the iPod this morning. And I didn't recognize it. It was called, what was it 29:13.680 --> 29:20.080 called? Voices in your head and the name of the track in this case was James Patrick Kelly. 29:20.080 --> 29:25.520 I was like, Voices in my head, what is this? And especially from IT conversations. And I gave 29:25.520 --> 29:29.280 it a listen and you'll probably be surprised when you hear it, but check it out. 29:32.240 --> 29:34.800 Good music, right? You figured this is something going to be cool. 29:35.600 --> 29:47.840 Hello and welcome to the introductory episode of Voices in your head. I'm Dave Slusher. 29:47.840 --> 29:57.680 Whoa. Dave Slusher. Dave Slusher's got a gig. Cool. So apparently Dave Slusher is doing a 29:57.680 --> 30:02.160 show for IT conversations. Let's hear all about it. Your host and my guest this week is author 30:02.160 --> 30:06.800 and columnist James Patrick Kelly. As the science fiction writer, he's been nominated for all 30:06.800 --> 30:11.680 of the highest awards in the science fiction field, winning the Hugo Award for his stories 10 to the 30:11.680 --> 30:16.880 16th to 1 and think like a dinosaur. As a teacher, he's frequently taught at the Clarion 30:16.880 --> 30:22.560 writer's workshop, where he's inspired young writer such as Cory Doctoro. In the 1990s, his before 30:22.560 --> 30:26.800 mentioned story, think like a dinosaur was adapted for a radio play by the sci-fi channel 30:26.800 --> 30:32.000 scene ear theater. He writes the internet column for Asimov science fiction magazine amongst his 30:32.000 --> 30:38.160 many responsibilities and is experimenting with making his work available as downloadable MP3s of his 30:38.160 --> 30:43.760 readings. Thanks and welcome to the show, Jim. I'd like to be here. See, that's very cool and I 30:43.760 --> 30:50.160 heard about this. I knew you, I think this is what Dave Slusher did before on public radio or 30:50.160 --> 30:56.320 I don't know if it was public radio or he was doing some kind of radio thing just recently 30:56.320 --> 31:01.120 maybe a year or so ago that he wound down that show. And so he's basically interviewing 31:02.320 --> 31:06.320 nonbleness writers of science fiction. So this is something that's a great show. If you're 31:06.320 --> 31:11.360 in a science fiction, you're going to want to subscribe. And what I can't wait for is to see 31:11.360 --> 31:17.040 IT conversations split up. So we can have, I'd like to subscribe only to memory lane, 31:17.920 --> 31:23.680 Hally suit or only to voices on my head or only to the Gilmour gang. I'm sure Doug's thinking about 31:23.680 --> 31:31.680 that. So that won't be long coming. The other day Dave made a comment to me. He said about Chris 31:31.680 --> 31:39.280 Perillo and I guess I'd missed that I maybe I didn't see his weblog posting or some thread that 31:39.280 --> 31:45.280 I should have been following. But it wasn't till something showed up this morning in my iTunes that 31:45.360 --> 31:49.040 Chris Perillo put together in a Chris Perillo. I believe he organizes Nomedex. 31:50.960 --> 31:58.400 His weblog is locker-nome. And so the title of this podcast is locker-nome trends. And for some 31:58.400 --> 32:03.040 reason, and this is the comment that I didn't pick up on earlier, he's got a stick-up as that's about 32:03.840 --> 32:11.840 the terminology of podcasting and IT potter and IT pot platform. And I can totally understand 32:11.840 --> 32:16.000 where he's coming from in some regard. And lots of people have been talking about, well, 32:16.000 --> 32:21.280 you know, maybe you should call it something else besides anything that has the word iPod or the word 32:21.280 --> 32:27.680 pod even. And yeah, that may be true. That may be true, but you know, it's stuck. It's done. I don't think 32:27.680 --> 32:31.840 we can we can change it. And I don't think we should have to. I think that particularly when it comes to 32:32.800 --> 32:37.680 iPod or technology, you know, iPod or stuff is just going to come built inside. You know, 32:37.680 --> 32:42.960 I'm hoping that, you know, some companies will license some of the code that these teams have 32:42.960 --> 32:48.960 been working on so diligently and put them into their hardware. You know, make, make cell phones have 32:48.960 --> 32:53.680 this built in so that when we have, you know, when your cell phone kind of a Bluetooth connection 32:53.680 --> 33:02.240 or an ultra wide band or Wi-Fi or UMTS or the GPRS or ABC or Aluminopi connection that, you know, 33:02.240 --> 33:06.560 it knows the start sucking stuff in and knows what your subscriptions are on your preferences. 33:06.800 --> 33:11.760 You know, power to all that. I don't think it'll matter what that's called anymore. And people are 33:11.760 --> 33:20.960 going to get, you know, if pod casting is to broadcast, what web logging is to journalism, you know, 33:20.960 --> 33:25.840 it's like we went through the same thing with blogging. Is it web logging, blogging? Is it a blog? Is it a 33:28.400 --> 33:33.520 I don't just don't think it matters, but I did enjoy what Chris Perlode did. First of all, 33:33.520 --> 33:38.400 he talked to his girlfriend. He sounds really cute. He talked to his girlfriend about, you know, 33:38.400 --> 33:46.320 pod casting and did she understand what it is? And apparently she, she doesn't know much about 33:46.320 --> 33:55.760 technology or at least she's playing that way in this pod cast. And, you know, what, are you compelled? 33:55.760 --> 33:59.840 Would you like to have this and that explains it? Well, you'll hear a bit of that, but what he also 34:00.640 --> 34:06.080 did is he had a whole bunch of people he knows, called into a voicemail box, which sends off MP3's, 34:06.880 --> 34:13.520 kind of a, you know, voicemail service, sends off an MP3 of the voicemail recording to his email. 34:13.520 --> 34:18.480 And he put the, he's drunk those all behind each other. And there's some great names in there, 34:19.280 --> 34:23.920 some great people who called in all have different things to say. We're going to listen to that together. 34:24.240 --> 34:30.560 And maybe we'll have some comments on bits of it. But first let's listen to Chris talking to his girlfriend 34:30.560 --> 34:35.760 about pod casting. Why can't someone else collect it and get it together? And then I just pick 34:35.760 --> 34:41.440 what I want. I want it to scrape for me, I guess, or I don't know what the terminology is. 34:41.440 --> 34:45.920 You shouldn't have to worry about the terminology. Exactly. And that's what's pushed the discussion 34:45.920 --> 34:51.600 where it is now. Pod casting is really bored as a word. And I have to use that word now because 34:51.680 --> 34:58.480 it's all right. Yes, it is. And I can't get around the fact that it's so 34:59.120 --> 35:06.240 trying into an existing product, an existing community, it's still going to leave people out. 35:07.280 --> 35:13.840 Okay. So that's what I mean. That's what Chris is problem is. He feels that people who don't have iPods. 35:13.840 --> 35:18.240 And he actually talks about money somewhere or can't afford iPods. Like this was designed to be 35:18.320 --> 35:26.320 some elitist group that the names all wrong. But nowhere have I heard an actual good alternative 35:26.320 --> 35:30.960 from him. But let's keep listening. Question is, if we can't get all these great internet minds 35:30.960 --> 35:37.200 to start thinking together and use a word that transcends the iPod, what else can we do? 35:37.760 --> 35:42.960 I think that we all should send our ideas to Chris. Let him pick the one. I'm all for it. 35:43.360 --> 35:48.720 Could you just take on a responsibility there? No, I'm just asking the question. 35:49.760 --> 35:54.320 I like his girlfriend already. Not mainstream yet. So it's still malleable. In my opinion, 35:55.600 --> 36:02.480 the more you stay podcasting as an example. Podcasting, podcasting, podcasting. 36:02.480 --> 36:08.720 In the more you enforce that name. So should I just call it broadcasting and then stick with it. 36:08.720 --> 36:14.240 You have to be consistent. Podcasting. If you're going to change, you have to be consistent. 36:14.240 --> 36:18.240 But understand when you make that change, the changes to include everyone. 36:19.680 --> 36:24.080 Okay, here's what we're going to try something just a little bit different. I've got a voicemail 36:24.080 --> 36:29.600 system that when someone leaves me a message, it gets sent to me in MP3 format. So I thought, 36:29.600 --> 36:35.360 why not ask a few of my friends to send me their thoughts on podcasting? Mind you, I wasn't on this 36:35.440 --> 36:40.960 mailing list. If it works, it works. If it doesn't say no big deal, we give it a shot. 36:40.960 --> 36:45.200 But let me apologize for the audio quality of these voicemails. It's better than nothing. 36:46.880 --> 36:53.120 Hey man, this Robert Skobel, and I think podcasting rules. I'm sitting here listening to Adam 36:53.120 --> 37:01.440 Curry talking from bosom. Apparently we've worked out technology. So the smoke actually can 37:01.440 --> 37:07.520 affect you if you're wearing earplugs. What's up, Skobel? And I think, you know, this is just not. 37:09.520 --> 37:15.760 It's how the world's going to run. It's going to, you know, anyway. I'm hiking things that's 37:15.760 --> 37:22.320 right on. I needed 20. But tonight I was at a geek dinner and talking to JP Stewart. And he 37:22.320 --> 37:27.920 has pimped out his car with a windows XP machine. He has a little screen at the front and a 37:27.920 --> 37:35.920 TPS and a Wi-Fi antenna. And he, you know, it dialed home through Bluetooth and his phone. 37:35.920 --> 37:42.720 I think I need to get me one of those phone. It's pretty neat. But he's listening to podcast now in 37:42.720 --> 37:48.720 the car. I mean, you know, I can see a world where this is going to be normal stuff. And this 37:48.720 --> 37:56.160 is going to be how you get different kinds of audio and video content. Anyways, let's know next. 37:56.240 --> 38:01.120 And how do you think? So I'm just going to keep playing these because these are great. There's 38:01.120 --> 38:06.080 some big names that come through. That was Robert Skobel who was, uh, I call him the resident 38:06.080 --> 38:11.840 blogger at Microsoft, uh, good guy. Let's see this next. This is Jake Lettingson from 38:11.840 --> 38:19.680 Jakelettingson.com. And I think the thing for me about podcasting that is most confusing is 38:19.680 --> 38:25.760 probably the name podcasting. And it implies that you need an iPod to do it. And you know 38:25.760 --> 38:30.560 this guy's a shill right. You know, you know, this is a shill. I frankly, you don't need an iPod 38:30.560 --> 38:38.240 or a Mac or it's really a platform independent way to download content on demand. 38:39.040 --> 38:44.000 Whether that be audio or video from the internet, using a system that's kind of a 38:44.000 --> 38:51.280 TV-like system to subscribe to specific content channels and have them automatically download to 38:51.280 --> 38:58.960 your computer and then be able to come with a device. I actually created a tutorial showing you 38:58.960 --> 39:05.600 how to do it using Windows Media Player and the iPod or software that's currently available 39:05.600 --> 39:09.760 at iPod.org. Yeah, we actually pointed to that. I think it's a good how to. 39:10.400 --> 39:16.640 Because it's so far all of the all the tutorial information has been geared towards people wanting 39:16.640 --> 39:22.720 to do specifically using iPod and iPod iTunes. And I was looking at it and I don't like 39:22.720 --> 39:29.520 six different devices that all can support audio, but none of them is an iPod. So I was like, 39:29.520 --> 39:35.760 well, how do I do this? I went through the process. You can look at that on Jakelettingson.com. 39:36.080 --> 39:41.040 And this is actually something that Microsoft sort of made in attempt at doing. 39:41.040 --> 39:44.640 Now, this is interesting. Listen to this because I actually recall all of them. My mic was 39:44.640 --> 39:49.840 crackling. I actually recall Microsoft doing this for for their, um, I think it was their Puck at PC, 39:49.840 --> 39:54.400 but listen to the onto the objections. In like this, about three years ago, and they released a product 39:54.400 --> 40:01.200 called Sinken Go as part of the Plus Digital Media Edition Pack. And basically what Sinken Go does 40:01.280 --> 40:08.720 is, unless you subscribe to one of the 20 content items and have them Sink automatically to 40:08.720 --> 40:15.280 a Puck at PC, each time you like connect your Puck at PC to the cradle. Now there are two 40:15.280 --> 40:21.040 problems with that. Number one, they don't want to work with Puck at PC, so you rule about everyone 40:21.360 --> 40:31.360 who has my pot or is a creative bend or del BJA real karma. Many of the, like dozens of other 40:31.360 --> 40:38.560 devices are available. And it also is a closed content loop meaning that only the content providers 40:38.560 --> 40:44.320 that Microsoft has selected are able to do every content. Right. So I think that's a real 40:44.400 --> 40:50.880 important part there. And I'm glad that Chris is putting this up. Because, you know, yeah, 40:50.880 --> 40:55.920 we may not have the name right, you know, people may not agree with that or may, you know, drive you 40:55.920 --> 41:01.600 towards certain thoughts, but we have an open content pool and anyone's allowed to come and party with 41:01.600 --> 41:07.840 us. So yeah, we're not as hit the Sinken Go. Now the big difference with podcasting is that 41:07.920 --> 41:15.360 anyone can set up a podcast and make it available for people to consume. Now that doesn't mean 41:15.360 --> 41:21.120 all of the podcasts are going to be great or a lot of people are going to say this. 41:21.120 --> 41:26.880 Let's go to the next caller. I know you're thinking about doing this yourself. 41:26.880 --> 41:30.880 And the rest of the story is really good, but you're going to listen to what he said. 41:30.880 --> 41:57.440 Okay, okay, do you stop the year content that? Okay, all right, Chris, Steve Gilmore. Okay, 41:57.520 --> 42:03.040 of the Gilmore gang, here we go, a fresh face in the crowd. Leaving you a message about podcasting, 42:03.040 --> 42:08.080 which I think is the single most important thing going on in the past, 42:08.080 --> 42:15.840 uh, at least two weeks. It's sweeping the RSS space and because it's fundamentally the same thing as RSS, 42:17.280 --> 42:25.680 being RSS enclosures at the heart of the matter. It's going to quickly generate a lot of 42:25.680 --> 42:34.480 attention around specifications as attention to them. Then XML, let me try that again, 42:34.480 --> 42:44.800 attention dot XML, which is a attention metadata standard, which I hope will allow for the 42:45.520 --> 42:53.760 evolution evolution. Excuse me, have the Roch Motel effect, which is going on with some of the 42:53.840 --> 43:01.360 major players in the Roch Motel effect? RSS space, namely the metadata goes in and it never comes out. 43:01.360 --> 43:09.760 Okay, so I hope this is enough for you to do a test and see how this, you might be able to 43:09.760 --> 43:20.800 remove the screen. Hey, this is Steven Cohen from Library stuff. Thanks, Chris, for contacting me. 43:20.880 --> 43:24.160 I just don't know what you're going to do. I know, I'm bored. 43:24.160 --> 43:28.640 Yeah, I'll put a link to it. You can get, you can subscribe to this, but there's a whole bunch of 43:28.640 --> 43:32.880 people that show up later on. Dave Winner shows up and it's just a whole, I thought it was going to be 43:32.880 --> 43:37.360 interesting listening to a second time. I think you just have to go get it yourself, but it's 43:37.360 --> 43:42.160 it goes on for another, let's see, oh man, it goes on for another 15 minutes of people calling in, 43:42.160 --> 43:46.800 but it's a very interesting way of doing like comments, it's really what struck me about this, 43:46.800 --> 43:53.280 and it could either be a one to masses type comments, but probably the other way around, 43:53.280 --> 43:58.640 and this must be very easy to set up, Chris, if you have a minute, set up a pointer to 43:58.640 --> 44:02.320 whatever service you're using, because if they're really firing off MP3s, that would be 44:02.320 --> 44:06.640 beautiful. I could set up a rule in my mailbox that'll dump it into a folder and it'll make it 44:06.640 --> 44:11.200 into a podcast so that it would just be for me, it would just be like an answering machine, 44:11.200 --> 44:16.560 literally, or comments, or stuff my assistant wants me to remember, and I could put that on 44:17.040 --> 44:24.320 and listen to it in the car, and cool way of creating a podcast feed. Okay, 44:24.320 --> 44:28.480 I got a question that came in, an important one. Good evening Adam, curious, now I'm 44:28.480 --> 44:33.600 off to go from the Linux link text show and dance rants for meeting my way through the earlier 44:33.600 --> 44:41.120 episodes of Daily Source Code, and one thing that is really caught my curiosity is whether you have 44:41.120 --> 44:46.320 a license to broadcast the Android Distribute, the commercial music or media files that you play, 44:46.880 --> 44:53.600 and what your opinion is, those who are just getting into podcasting, who obviously look 44:53.600 --> 45:02.800 to your work as one of the pioneering people in podcasting, and what your opinion is on them 45:02.800 --> 45:11.200 including commercial-based content, what concerns us or me and also discuss it on the text show 45:11.200 --> 45:18.000 is that it might draw unnecessary or unwanted attention from bodies like the R, I, A, A, and the NBA, 45:18.560 --> 45:25.840 and force their hand to crack down on podcasting for illegal distribution of commercial products. 45:27.440 --> 45:33.920 Just curious is the what you think about that, and what you might have to say to other people 45:33.920 --> 45:40.400 who are out there podcasting now. Thank you for taking your time to listen to this and look 45:40.640 --> 45:45.440 forward to the next Daily Source Code. Right on Dan, thank you very much, I appreciate the 45:45.440 --> 45:51.040 question, and to answer it right off the bat, no, I don't have a license. I have done licenses with 45:51.040 --> 45:59.280 a particularly with BMI, I think we wrote probably the first BMI license for online music, 45:59.280 --> 46:06.000 and that was for, but my client was Budweiser, I think, and we did something with the Budweiser site 46:06.080 --> 46:11.440 and they gave a specific license, and at the time I believe it was a percentage of revenue. 46:12.160 --> 46:16.080 So the answer is no, now most of the podcasts that you're hearing are just spoken word, 46:16.080 --> 46:22.720 but just about every single podcast that I've seen come by in the past couple weeks, 46:22.720 --> 46:28.720 does begin with an opening tune, and even if you're just using a few snippets or just a little bit 46:28.720 --> 46:35.040 of a song in the real world outside of podcasting, you're using somebody else's intellectual 46:35.120 --> 46:39.760 property, and they have rights to that, and that should be, if not compensated, at least this should 46:39.760 --> 46:46.880 be an agreement about what kind of use that is. You're right about perhaps the leadership role 46:48.000 --> 46:55.360 because I do see people emulating the format, however the rules where I live are a little bit different. 46:55.440 --> 47:06.720 There are no people being sued by the RIA in Europe. In fact, the European Court is still 47:06.720 --> 47:12.960 trying to figure a lot of these issues out, although we're probably not winning the war, we have, 47:13.760 --> 47:19.280 well, maybe we are winning the war, and we lost a few important battles, but on software 47:19.280 --> 47:26.240 patents things are a little bit different over here. There's a reason why Kazah was, I don't think 47:26.240 --> 47:30.960 they were, they were probably founded wherever Nicholas and those guys live, but they built a company 47:30.960 --> 47:38.160 in Amsterdam. They're just different rules about technology and peer-to-peer sharing, and we don't 47:38.160 --> 47:43.920 have a couple of the laws that have been passed in the United States. That doesn't mean that 47:43.920 --> 47:48.320 I think it's right, and I think that it should change. Now, conversely, I've talked about this a 47:48.320 --> 47:53.760 couple of times. In Europe, in the Netherlands, at least I know 100% for sure, but in most of 47:53.760 --> 47:59.920 Europe, I'm quite sure, radio and television stations pay a percentage of revenue to the licensing 47:59.920 --> 48:05.920 organizations, which would be ASCAP BMI. Here, it's Buma Stemna. Every country has something, but they're 48:05.920 --> 48:15.040 all tied together in some weird bizarre way, and only they know how that works. They pay a percentage 48:15.120 --> 48:20.720 of revenue, and then they can use whatever they want. There are some restrictions, but they 48:20.720 --> 48:25.360 can even use it in their promos and in their shows, and there's just a whole bunch of ways that 48:25.360 --> 48:30.880 they can use that. Radio stations, exactly the same. In the States, from what I'm led to believe, 48:30.880 --> 48:37.840 radio stations don't pay that type of royalty because it's seen as advertising. That's really 48:37.840 --> 48:45.520 important because if we're going to have to be broadcasting, like Chris Perillo says, and we're 48:45.520 --> 48:50.320 not podcasting, we're broadcasting. I'm all for that, but then I want broadcast rules, and I want 48:50.320 --> 48:57.040 to have the same benefits. I think I could convince and make a pretty good case for most music 48:57.040 --> 49:05.040 industry executives, who I'm sure are listening, that this is the radio of the future. Screw 49:05.040 --> 49:10.320 the connections you've got with clear channel, and who you know there. This is where the new 49:10.320 --> 49:15.920 radios coming from. Don't you guys have kids at the RIA? I have a 14 year old, and I see her 49:15.920 --> 49:21.680 14 year old friends, and they're trading music all the time. Christina has crazy about good 49:21.680 --> 49:27.760 Charlotte, and they're taping videos and sharing those with each other, and they, and it's just 49:27.760 --> 49:34.400 as humongous build up that they witnessed together online to the release of the next album, and then 49:34.880 --> 49:40.480 my daughter's cutting school to go by the good Charlotte album, which by the way, it comes in a 49:40.480 --> 49:45.920 double set, so it's two CDs, exactly the same only one is called the life album, one is called 49:45.920 --> 49:50.480 the death album, and each one has a separate bonus track. I mean, you got that part of the marketing 49:50.480 --> 49:54.880 right? You're getting these kids to buy two CDs instead of one, but you know, see that you're 49:54.880 --> 50:00.480 building up to it. Give them the tools to share. Give them the opportunity to let them work on 50:00.480 --> 50:05.360 this stuff, and help you, and you will sell music. I guarantee you that, that's just you have to 50:05.360 --> 50:12.080 figure out new ways of packaging and marketing this stuff. So, you know, I want to be treated like 50:12.080 --> 50:16.240 like a broadcaster in that case, and I want to have the same type of deal, which means we shouldn't 50:16.240 --> 50:22.880 have to pay anything. There is, by the way, a fee for MP3, which we discussed earlier, I posted that 50:23.200 --> 50:29.920 a couple times, a pointer to it. With MP3, if you make over a hundred thousand dollars using MP3 50:29.920 --> 50:36.320 as your delivery mechanism, you're content packaging, whatever the hell, however the lawyer specified 50:36.320 --> 50:44.240 that, then there is a, I think it's 2% of gross revenue that you have to pay in licensing fees. 50:45.360 --> 50:50.960 That's about it. You know, that's all that it should be, and just think of the opportunities. 50:51.040 --> 50:55.440 But you're right. You know, there's a very big chance that some people will say, hey, 50:55.440 --> 51:00.560 you know, this is crazy. This is, this is running rampant, but I don't know. I think that if I look 51:00.560 --> 51:05.840 at the evolution of web logs, then at the beginning, a lot of journalists and a lot of newspapers 51:05.840 --> 51:09.600 and big publications were saying, you know, this should be outlawed. You know, you can't have people 51:09.600 --> 51:14.240 just writing a word at whatever they want on on, on woops. Oh, wait a minute. I violated like a free 51:14.240 --> 51:19.040 speech thing there. No, but that's what they wanted to say, and that's how they were feeling, 51:19.200 --> 51:22.640 and that was the vibe, and it's going to be the exact same thing with this. Only this is, 51:22.640 --> 51:28.320 I think the speed at which we're evolving in which this is unfolding before us is going much faster 51:28.320 --> 51:32.720 than the web logs, and it's because the concept is the same. We're not really learning anything new here, 51:32.720 --> 51:40.080 except for the production. The, and in fact, in many ways, the, the consumption side of what we're 51:40.080 --> 51:46.800 doing is easier than the web logs. And perhaps more convenient than the web logs, since you, you know, 51:46.880 --> 51:50.640 it doesn't take up your web logs space. You can take up space of where you were listening to 51:50.640 --> 51:55.360 boring radio, perhaps, or had nothing to do, or, you know, listening to your, the same music 51:55.360 --> 52:00.080 tracks in a different order over and over again, and seeing if your i-cut pod could pick out a song 52:00.080 --> 52:07.280 that matched your, you know, your mood for the day. But I do think that it's possible to get this done. 52:07.280 --> 52:12.640 I know that MPR, Tony Khan, got the, for the morning stories, there's three up there now, 52:12.800 --> 52:17.360 and they'll be adding more. The licensing was taken care of. So it's clearly someone knows how to do this, 52:17.360 --> 52:21.600 and licensing is possible. And I think it's right, and it's fair. Even if you pay nothing, 52:21.600 --> 52:24.480 we have to have an agreement because you're using something. Now, of course, 52:26.320 --> 52:31.840 there's already all kinds of licensing models out there when it comes to like what I'm doing. 52:31.840 --> 52:36.560 I'm playing, you know, geez, I'm, I'm like violation on top of violation. I play someone else's 52:36.640 --> 52:42.640 podcast and a bit of the music that they're already illegally using. So, you know, this, it's, 52:43.760 --> 52:48.320 I don't think anyone will disagree that we can make money on this. We should pass off some piece. 52:48.320 --> 52:52.640 And I think that, because it's not exactly the same, it's certainly not the same as, uh, 52:52.640 --> 52:59.040 streaming playlists of songs. It's not the same as sharing individual MP3 tracks, you know, 52:59.040 --> 53:04.080 just like on, in American broadcast, you're not allowed to pre-announce a new, you're not allowed 53:04.160 --> 53:07.760 to pre-announce a song. Well, you're not supposed to. Let's put it that way. You can back 53:07.760 --> 53:12.160 announce, or you can tease with commercials in between. There's all kinds of rules so that 53:12.160 --> 53:17.360 it stays within the realm of, you know, people that people could A be ready to record it, 53:17.360 --> 53:20.800 or there could be deemed as a complete commercial. You know, so there's all these rules that 53:20.800 --> 53:25.120 need to be looked at. And I think we fit into that very well. And if that's so, then maybe 53:25.120 --> 53:30.800 just like Chris Prilas suggested, we will become broadcasters instead of mere podcasters. 53:30.960 --> 53:35.120 And I'm going to violate those rules. Once again, I'm going to violate the rules. We're going 53:35.120 --> 53:41.280 to stick it to the man. By major requests, I once played, uh, everybody's, uh, fucking with me, 53:41.280 --> 53:46.960 by Dura Wood do Shee. And I got so many requests for either that song. I have a, I have like, 53:46.960 --> 53:53.840 I have no whole album. Um, and it's, uh, you spell it, uh, as you would do, uh, DO, U, C, H, E, 53:53.840 --> 53:59.840 do Shee. And, um, the next track is from that. It's an audience participation track. If so, 54:00.160 --> 54:05.440 if you're in, in a, in a lyrics, then you can participate in this. Um, it's a good combination 54:05.440 --> 54:13.760 of adult humor and, uh, some nice big band kind of blues tunes. And it is no matter what, definitely 54:13.760 --> 54:23.840 not safe for work. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome once again to the lovely 54:23.920 --> 54:31.040 sewer supper club, located deep in the bowels of our fair city, where the wine is fine and 54:31.040 --> 54:40.000 the food divine. Tonight's special is plump, juicy, boned, milk fed sewer rat, floating in a 54:40.000 --> 54:47.680 piquence cilantro scum sauce. Okay. Now it's time for the audience participation segment here 54:47.760 --> 54:54.480 at the pristine chapel bar. And that means that it's time for your favorite song, The Limerick 54:54.480 --> 55:01.760 Blues, written by our very own house piano player, or perhaps I should say, outhouse piano player, 55:01.760 --> 55:09.440 Derwood, Du Shee accent acute over the E. You all know the routine, the band plays the Limerick 55:09.440 --> 55:15.200 Blues theme once. And then when I point to you, you recite your Limerick. We're going to leave 55:15.280 --> 55:21.200 the second Limerick spot blank for all you listeners out there to fill in your own Limerick. 55:21.200 --> 55:27.200 So think of your favorite Limerick, title up to the band stand and get ready to blow them away 55:27.200 --> 55:36.800 with your poem. Ready? Here we go, a one, a two, a you know what to do. 55:36.800 --> 55:57.600 [ Music ] 55:57.600 --> 56:14.080 A lovely young lady named Grace, gave me head through a piece of black lace. 56:14.080 --> 56:18.720 When my seamen was scattered, I saw I had splattered white freckles all over her face. 56:18.720 --> 56:22.560 Man she looked go. 56:48.720 --> 57:07.480 Set a Japanese hooker from Kobe, to a wedding-down sailor named Toby. 57:07.480 --> 57:10.640 No charge for this trick, that's a whale of a dick, and it's white, so let's 57:10.640 --> 57:29.600 Chris and it in the movie, almost as far as we were going. 57:29.600 --> 57:35.080 There once was a laugh from Nantucket, who was in the face with a bucket, too ugly to lay 57:35.080 --> 57:56.200 shit this to say, if you don't like my made one, it's fucking it! 57:56.200 --> 58:01.660 A fox a young lady from Rio, walked up and said, are you a Leo, and now she retorts 58:01.660 --> 58:22.420 the fuck in my shorts with a splatter that real come to Rio. 58:22.420 --> 58:27.800 I tied up a nympho and king-ta, the warps held but barely a string-ta, when I let her 58:27.800 --> 58:33.340 loose, she gave me a goose and bit off my cock-oomed eye-lain-ta, right between the fucking 58:38.750 --> 59:03.340 [ Music ] 59:03.340 --> 59:20.540 one. 59:20.540 --> 59:26.840 Don't do shit, the limeric blues of one live in front of a Randy audience. 59:26.840 --> 59:31.140 Alright, I'm going to leave you today with a bit of politics, this came through on the 59:31.140 --> 59:37.300 feedster video and closures feed, which iPod Rex also hampily picks up for me, I always 59:37.300 --> 59:41.180 scan through the videos, also a lot of data that comes in and gets storage, you got to do 59:41.180 --> 59:43.380 it in a pretty regular basis. 59:43.380 --> 59:51.100 This is a bit, I think it's in the house, where Tim Ryan, who's a Democrat, is, and you'll 59:51.100 --> 59:56.540 find out at the end, is talking about the story that's been served, I've seen served 59:56.540 --> 01:00:00.940 on the internet a couple of times, and the past few weeks, is that there is a probability 01:00:00.940 --> 01:00:07.620 of a draft being instated, and it's really important to think about this, I remember in 01:00:07.620 --> 01:00:13.020 90 when the first Gulf War took place, and I think I mentioned this before, I was 30 01:00:13.020 --> 01:00:17.620 at the time, and I was pretty sure I wasn't going to be drafted, but they did ask me 01:00:17.620 --> 01:00:25.020 to register for the draft, and I was thinking like, damn, that would really suck, besides 01:00:25.020 --> 01:00:31.140 the fact that my sorry-wide ass wouldn't last two minutes, and no goddamn desert, as it 01:00:31.140 --> 01:00:35.100 turns out, I found out that my ass did last for a week, but trust me, you do not want 01:00:35.100 --> 01:00:39.780 to be there, certainly not if you're being shot at and blown up, and people who are there, 01:00:39.780 --> 01:00:43.820 I don't want you to be there because you're not really helping them, and you don't want 01:00:43.820 --> 01:00:48.580 to be there if you're confused, so I wanted to play this, because what this guy, he's 01:00:48.580 --> 01:00:54.980 a young guy, Tim Ryan, it's so compelling what he says, and he's so much emotion, and 01:00:55.060 --> 01:01:00.340 if you are old enough to vote, you're old enough to be drafted, and I suggest you vote 01:01:00.340 --> 01:01:05.540 for John Kerry to get George W. Bush out of the White House, and here's why. 01:01:05.540 --> 01:01:13.100 I thank the gentleman, I rise in opposition of this bill, but I would like to clarify something, 01:01:13.100 --> 01:01:19.060 we're not trying to scare kids, this president's foreign policy is what's scaring the 01:01:19.060 --> 01:01:24.940 kids of this country, and that people have said today, why are people believing this? 01:01:24.940 --> 01:01:27.700 Why are people believing this big internet hoax? 01:01:27.700 --> 01:01:33.300 Well, it's the same people that told us Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9-11, 01:01:33.300 --> 01:01:37.660 same people that told us Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, same people 01:01:37.660 --> 01:01:41.940 that told us we were going to be able to use the oil for reconstruction money, same 01:01:41.940 --> 01:01:47.140 people that told us that we'd be greeted as liberators, not occupiers, same people, same 01:01:47.140 --> 01:01:52.540 president that told us the Taliban is gone, same president that told us that Poland is 01:01:52.540 --> 01:01:57.580 our ally two days before they pull out, same president that tells us a rack is going, just 01:01:57.580 --> 01:02:02.740 great, same president that tells us the economy is going, just great, same people that 01:02:02.740 --> 01:02:07.860 told us the tax cut was going to create millions of jobs, same people that told us that 01:02:07.860 --> 01:02:15.460 the Medicare program only cost $400 billion, when it really cost $540 billion, so please 01:02:15.460 --> 01:02:21.060 forgive us for not believing what you're saying, please forgive the students of this country 01:02:21.060 --> 01:02:27.140 for not believing what you're saying, not one thing, not one thing about this war that has 01:02:27.140 --> 01:02:31.380 been told to the American people, or that has been told to these college students has been 01:02:31.380 --> 01:02:36.860 true, not one thing, Bremer says we need more troops, the Pentagon says we need more 01:02:36.860 --> 01:02:42.100 troops, and this president can't get them from the international community, there's only 01:02:42.100 --> 01:02:46.980 one option left, let's be honest with the American people, I yield back the bounce of my 01:02:46.980 --> 01:02:52.420 son, whoa, all right, there you go, Tim Rines, I'm very very very clear words for you to 01:02:52.420 --> 01:02:57.620 think about vote for John Kerry, and that's it for the source code for today, I'm 01:02:57.620 --> 01:03:03.700 Adam Curry from Belgium, thank you for tuning in, as always comments are welcome, Adam 01:03:03.700 --> 01:03:11.700 Curry.com, please I need more email, and to my weblog, Curry.com live. 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