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How are you, everybody? Good
afternoon. Welcome to the Daily
Source Code for Dan. Thursday,
October

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14th, 2004. This is the low
bandwidth edition of the show
because I've been cut off by

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my provider. I'm back to 56K so
I'll probably upload it at a gas
station somewhere.

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Either that or I've waited until
past midnight when my bandwidth
quota drops down below

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it's 30 to eight, 30 gig levels.
So the show is no problem.
Creating the show is pretty

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easy today but actually getting
it up on the server and getting
everything published is a

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little bit more challenging.
Regardless today, thank god I
was able to get some stuff

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with iPod overnight before the
bandwidth cut off and I'll talk
about that a little bit later
on.

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We got a viewer's final listener
response from Australia. We've
got some news about

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St. Helens. We've got listener
response from Japan and a
history of the commercial
internet.

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And because I've been so low on
on pipe in the past, it was the
past 10 hours. It's now three

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in the afternoon. This is coming
to you from Curry Castle in
Flanders. I had a lot more
chance

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to catch up on email and check
out some core respondents and I
really have to say,

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it's been so nice. All of the
work that we've done together,
developers and people who are
just

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podcasting. So here's a song for
you guys for everyone who's been
helping out with this really fun

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[ Music ]

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Andrew Gold, for all the iPod or
developers and all the
podcasters parting with us today
on

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the source code. Thank you for
being a friend. Isn't that just
a sweet song?

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So this is the source code for
Thursday, October 14, 2004. You
probably saw the posting on my

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weblog if not. Here's what
happened or what has happened in
the past and I thought I was
over this

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with my internet provider here
in Belgium. The good news about
living in a castle is that you
live

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far away from everybody and
you've got just nature
surrounding you. And of course
that's also

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the bad news because that means
that ADSL is not possible. We're
too far from the head office.

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Now we do have cable mode from
tailonet.be and oops. It's me
wifey poo. Hold on a sec, I got
to take

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this. Hello. Hi. Yeah. Yeah. My
happy-happy passport, though. No
need, I'm going to

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walk the new. Okay. Jamie
Nayser. Okay. Exhibit in the
show. This is like a shelterous
bella.

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Okay. Rusta Khan. Love you. Bye.
Right. So that was my wife.
She's in Brussels right now.

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That's about an hour's drive
from from our house from the
castle.

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Because Christina's passport
actually expires in what like
five days or something like
that.

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So seeing as we're moving to the
UK, she had to go get the
passport taken care of.

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I have jobs too. Obviously, I'll
get her on to the bandwidth in a
second. Let's see.

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The getting the new bed that job
was taken away from me. I'm
looking at the note on the wall
here.

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I'm supposed to look for
schools. Found a lot of schools.
Here's a problem. If you want to
put

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your kid into a public school in
the UK, you can't apply until
you actually are living in the
UK.

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So I'm making good friends with
Audrey, who happens at the same
birth date as Christina.

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And we'll probably be able to
smuggle maybe a week or two. But
it's also very, very full.

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All the schools are full. And so
it's going to be interesting to
get Christina in midterm.

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But I'm sure we'll work that
out. Another thing I was
supposed to take care of was the
piano.

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We have a discleaveer. DSC was
it three or something like that
from Yamaha. It's a baby grand
piano.

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A midsize baby grand piano. It's
white, which there's only like
three of them in the entire
world.

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It's one of these pianos that
plays itself. You can also
record your playing and it'll
play it back.

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And it doesn't play it back as a
recording. It plays it back.
Really playing it on the keys.

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And we decided that now that
we're moving, time to get rid of
some stuff.

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And this is one of those pieces
of stuff that we haven't used.
No one plays anymore.

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Christina and I took lessons for
two years and then we said, hey,
screw it. She wanted to ride
horses.

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And I wanted to fly out like
copters. So I'm trying to get
rid of that.

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I found a place that will put it
up for consignment in their
showroom. But it's, oh man, I'm
moved like this.

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An international move is not
easy. So anyway, back to the
bandwidth. I've had this with
this provider before.

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So I've cable. And what happens
is they have a limit. They have
a total bandwidth limit and an
upstream limit.

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Now I've surpassed the upstream
limit before because, of course,
in their asynchronous
money-making scam,

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they let you upload only a third
of what you can download. So
that's part of the big scam. The
man has over us.

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And I said, look, I've said this
many times. Just let me buy
whatever ban with, you'll sell
me.

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Just give it to me. And so
finally they found that I have
like now the top level account,

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which is the super duper gamers
account. I have 30 gigs. You
can't get more. There's no
business account.

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They can get you more. You can
only get more IP addresses or
email addresses or something
like that or more web space.

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Whatever. Let me see how my
battery is doing here all on.
Now we look to be doing okay.

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So with all this podcasting, and
it's not the upstream bandwidth
because I didn't even come near

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to half of that, it's the
download bandwidth. You know,
I've subscribed to everything
I'm putting into the

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directories to check it out,
listen to it, listen to bits.
And of course I have to listen
to every single

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dawn and drew show now that I
know that dawn doesn't love with
me. Right, Dawn?

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So I exceeded my maximum. That
what happens is automatically
they cut down your modem speed

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to from a cable modem literally
to like 56k. And they do it in a
really nasty way by destroying

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about 40% of your packets, which
makes all kinds of applications
not work reliably. And just
really

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crappy. And the thing is, they
will not sell me more bandwidth.
I'm sitting here saying tell me

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what it costs, give me another
30 gigs, give me another three
terabytes, whatever. Now I'm
sorry.

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We just, we don't have the
application to sell you more.
And this is like, it's like the
electric company

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saying, oh, we're sorry, Mr.
Curry. You have used too much
electricity this month already.
We're

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cutting you down. In fact, you
can only leave half your lights
on from now on until the end of
the month.

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You know, so it sucks. It's just
really fucking blows. So what I
will probably wind up doing

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is driving, well, people have
been very helpful. They've given
me all kinds of hotspot lists.

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Now, I installed a couple of
Wi-Fi base stations and four
computers in the local grade
school.

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When Christina will still go
into that school and I donated
all this MAC stuff, all the new

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e-max. So I'm going to drive by
there because I did leave it
open on purpose. I'm going to
drive

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by there, see if that's still
open. Otherwise, I left to go to
a gas station on the highway,

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which has an official hotspot
operated by Bellhacom. And I'll
probably upload from there.

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So I'm probably going to encode
a little lower bit rate than
normal, just to lower the

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file size a bit more because
even, you know, if I'm on a good
line, it can still take quite a
while

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to upload the show. And I also
want to be downloading. So I'm
going to be sitting the parking

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lot for about an hour and a half
watching, you know, half go up
and watching stuff come in.

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It should be very entertaining.
And if that doesn't work out,
then somewhere around,

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well, somewhere after one AM,
I'll be able to get my bandwidth
back. And then, of course, it'll

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still be limited. So it sucks.
It just sucks. Oh, look at my,
looking at my list here. I also
have

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to figure out the stables.
Stabiling for the horse. Oh,
man, my life. Okay. Let's see.
One of the

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things that's been circling
around on the net for the past
few days is this theory that

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George W. Bush during the
debates had an earpiece in and
was being tutored or coached
throughout

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the debate. Now, I've talked
about this before. I think we've
even talked about it on trade

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secrets, not necessarily related
to the debates, but just in
general. So it's so often seems

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like George W. He's sitting
there and these long pauses,
like he's listening to someone,
you know,

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prompting him and giving him
the, you know, the next line
that he should say. And it's
sometimes

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he just comes across that way.
So now, of course, and I'm going
to play the piece that Dave

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Winer pointed to first, because
I got, you know, it's so easy to
do this. That's why I'm sure

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that there's more than just the
two that are going to play for
you. But here's some actual
audio

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from the prompting of George
Bush. Not doing the debate. I
have that for you in a second. I
have

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a secret audio recorded from
the, from his prompting service
in his earpiece. First, this

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is just from a general speech.
Mr. Chairman, delegates, foul
citizens, farmers, fellow
citizens,

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Americans have been given hills
to climb and found the strength
to climb them to climb them.

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When I, when I said those words
26 years ago, four years ago,
four years ago,

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now we can see the valley below.
My father surveyed years at the
side of another great American,

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Laura Bush. Ronald Reagan.
Ronald Reagan. Pinching plans,
worker training. We're created
for the

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world of yesterday. Tomorrow.
Not tomorrow. Not tomorrow.
Yesterday. Yesterday. Oh, I give
up.

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I could listen to that over and
over again. I think this one's
even better. And I haven't heard

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it seen this one around on the
night yet. So I think you'll
appreciate it. Here's actual
recorded footage

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recorded tape of the president's
earpiece during the second
presidential debate.

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He said he was $487 billion and
voted against it right before he
voted for it. voted for
confusing.

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But it works. That's since they
confusing single people. He said
he thought Saddam Hussein was a
great

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threat. Now said it was a
mistake to remove Saddam Hussein
from power. Now, I can't see why

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that. Because he got that. He
changed his position quite often
because he does. Now you don't
find George.

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You know, for a while, he was a
strong supporter of getting the
Saddam Hussein. No, it's not a
god.

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There is a system until the
Democrat primary came along.

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How are they? They don't like
him any. And how are they in the
anti-war can it began to gain on
him?

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He changed positions. I don't
say you can leave this country
in a time of war, in a time of

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uncertainty. You change your
mind because of politics. He
just brought up the tax. There
you go.

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You remember that? We preached
that child credit by $1,000.

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We reduced the marriage penalty.
You spent a little bit of a 10%
tax bracket for the low-income

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Americans. That's right at the
middle class. There you go. He
voted against it. And he tells
you

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he's for middle class tax
customers. You've got to be
consistent. There's a lot of
pressures.

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You've got to be firm. This
president, I would follow up.

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We have a series of questions on
Iraq. And so I would turn to the
next questioner.

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It's a question to President
Bush. And the questioner is
Robin?

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Just not. We practiced it.

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Can you get him like a water or
something?

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Just drink water or something.
George, it's just water.

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Just a president. Yes, he is.
Don't. We'll get more. He's not
asking the question. Look at the

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audience. Master structure. Just
like we practiced it. But just
apply to the

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education by stating, I think
you have a real hard question in
the knowledge. We'll

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carry out our needs. That is
down to reduce weapons of mass
destruction.

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Booting could have passed this
knowledge to our Dutch enemies.

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Okay. That blank is just not
believe. This to be a reasonable
justification for being

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yourself. I'll charge you to.
For invasion. When this
statement applies to so many of
the

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centuries, including North
Korea. Each situation is
different. Each situation is
different,

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Robin. And obviously we hope
that diplomacy works before you
ever use

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a position. Hardest decision for
those who make his paper to use
force.

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I don't know about it. 9-11.
9-11. There you go.

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Well, differently. 9-11. We had
to recognize, we saw threat.

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I'm going to let you go here and
get my notes. We must take a
series of

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graphic. I don't know if it's 5
days. We'll see a threat.

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Oh, man. 9-11 bullshit. No,
yeah. Just think about your
favorite salad dressing.

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Please vote for John Kerry.
Believe me. It's the best thing
to do.

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We've been along with a source
code for today. As we're about
18 minutes into the show,

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I was listening to a fine IT
Conversations podcast, memory
lane with Halle suit. By the
way,

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got a mail from Doug K, who told
me that there is a way to get
just the feeds that you want.

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You don't have to subscribe to
the main feed. I just didn't
look closely enough at the
website.

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And quite honestly, I like
subscribing to everything that
comes from IT Conversations.

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Oh, there was one thing. During
this particular interview, Doug,
I could hear your hybrid,

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your phone hybrid bleeding over
and you were talking to someone
else and you could just

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barely hear it in the
background, but I had it really
loud on the iPod. In this
particular

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memory lane with Halle suit,
what Halle does she talks to,
you know, pioneers of our
industry,

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of technology, of networking, of
computers. And she interviewed
Len Kleinrock, in that inventor
of

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packet switching. So arguably,
one of the guys who founded the
internet. And I've mentioned
before

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in both trade secrets. And I
think also on the source code
that I was, you know, without a
doubt,

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partially responsible for the
commercial internet. And there
was so much pushback at the time

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when the commercial internet
started, people hated us for
doing that. And I was interested
to hear

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what Len Kleinrock's take would
be on that. And I was probably
even more surprised by what

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his actual take was. He's going
to explain it a little bit. He's
going to kind of set it up

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as we drop into the story after
the Arpenads already been
founded. And NSF comes into the
picture.

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National Science Foundation was
now governing who could use the
network. They had an acceptable

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use policy. And it was a very
liberal policy. They allowed all
of their constituents in

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the biologist, the physicist,
the chemist, the meteorologist,
the geologist, the
oceanographers,

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all manner of science when else
don't see the network. So it's
great to expand it the user's

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base. Now, again, it was
researcher oriented. But many of
these research organizations

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lived inside large corporations.
For example, the research group
that IBM, the research group

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at major chemical companies, all
exploration companies. And what
were these guys doing with the

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net besides moving down to the
data back and forth? You said it
before, Hally, they would do an
email.

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An email was a terrific
application. What you have to
realize that those researchers
inside this

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large corporation couldn't keep
the secret of email from the
others in the organization. So
the

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production people saw it,
development people, the sales
folks, top management, pretty
soon,

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the internet usability and
applications leaked out from the
research organization

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into the entire commercial
organization. And that's when
the dot com's began to appear.

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Right. And I know that was the
big issue at that time, is the
net should the net be
commercialized.

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And the academic community had a
lot of different ideas about it.
Right. Can you tell me about
that?

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Well, as I said in the very
early days, we were small
community of people who trusted
each other.

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We didn't put in restrictions as
to how the network would be used
or what would travel over the

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network. Because there was an
unwritten rule of engagement
that we all adhere to among
which were

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this network was for scientific
purposes and not for commercial
purposes. As these dot com's
came

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on, we didn't see a problem with
them using the network. In fact,
to look forward,

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I'm very pleased that dot com's
came in because it never would
not have grown to reach out

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in all the applications and all
the people in all the countries
of the world had not the dot
com's

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come in and begun to provide
some commercial services,
commercial applications, and
deploying

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infrastructure that the open net
at that time could not afford to
do. But getting back to the

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approach of these dot com people
in 1988, the first worm appeared
came from Robert Morris.

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He launched the worm and it
totally took down a large
portion of the network. We were
very

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unhappy about that. But that
seemed to be an isolated
incident until in 1994, the two
most hated

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people on the internet, Canton,
Seagull, who were running a
small, small legal firm,

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sent out the first spam. They
sent out an advertisement to all
the news groups offering to help

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users get green cards if they
were not citizens. Now, this
went out, it's flooded the
network.

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Now, those on the other side,
people like myself said, what
the heck was that? The network

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is not supposed to be used for
advertising purposes. So we'd
launched email back to the
Canton

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Seagull saying, you can't do
that, that's wrong. And
everybody without being
coordinated sent

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these information back, these
emails back, as it was full. We
created the first denial of
service

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of that network. I like that. It
is hard to imagine what it's
even looked like in those days

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and when it switched. Actually,
well, you get the idea there.
And there's even a piece of the

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end where he goes in a little
bit more about the dot coms.
Really good to hear Len
Klein-Rofka talk

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that way, because I do think it
was good. The commercialization
of the internet did bring it

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to every single corner of the
world, or at least close to it.
And still, we're only like what,

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you know, 6% of the entire
population that has access to
the internet. Good show to
subscribe to

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great podcast. It's memory lane
with Halle Suit. You can find it
at IT Conversations.com.

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Today, the source code, I'm Adam
Curry reaching out to the far
corners of the earth myself,

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including Australia. Hi, Adam.
This is Les Pose and Melbourne
of Australia. Thanks for the
great

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work that you and Dave and the
others are doing with
podcasting. There was something
that happened

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in yesterday's trade secrets for
the 12th, where Dave spoke about
a friend of his Les Williams,

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talking about blogs and by
extension podcasts, being like
Chinese meals, small tidbits,

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who delicately eat them with
chopsticks, rather than just
having a big meal in front of
you.

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Can I send that metaphor a
little further to get some extra
meaning out of that?

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Sort of bad metaphor, because it
reminds of what happens when you
go to Chinese yam chat.

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Very popular in Australia, and
I'm sure in Europe. And of
course, in any good China town
in

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the United States, yam chat
doors is where the waiters serve
you every couple of minutes,

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something you pop out on the
trolley and you have a choice.
Could be Chinese broccoli,

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could be fish, could be seafood.
There's usually something for
everybody and it's usually in

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serves for three people. And
this way, it reminds you of
podcasts, because if you don't
like something,

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you just say, no, I'll wait for
something better comes along.
That's really good. Well,

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all have that, or no, any
summers will have that, will
have something else. So that's
how

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reminds you of podcasting. Just
a little bit for everything.
You're happy to, they're happy
if you

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reject. There's always something
coming along. And that's going
to be better than what you had
just

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before. So look, guys, keep it
up and really enjoying it here
in Melbourne, Australia. Bye for
now.

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All right, Les, thank you very
much. And I'm noticing that
there are a lot of podcasts
coming

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out of Australia currently. I
don't know. You guys must be
star for good radio for good
entertainment.

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It's just those Mad Max movies.
That's all you see on TV. And
then, you know, I can only
imagine

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it's, it's Molly, whatever,
who's no longer doing the
countdown shows on every, every
radio station.

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You must be so starved. And of
course, it's so much so vast.
You know, it's only the cities,

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I guess, that really have radio
stations. And if you're not
anywhere near a city, it's going
to

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it's old, the coat hanger
antenna time. And something that
Les was talking about triggered,

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well, it's like, I mean, just
bring him my email here for a
second, triggered something that
I found

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which as it relates to
podcasting. Oh, my second. Let
me see why this is.

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I have to look at my scent box.
At least my setup is going to be
able to handle

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handle me doing this or it
should be able to handle me
doing this. Okay, let me see.
Here we go.

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Yeah, I got this from in Karta.
That's MSN's encyclopedia. And I
was looking, because I was
interested

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in the total market that radio
is in the United States. That's
all I have as US numbers. So,

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because I think that what we're
doing here is no different from
radio broadcasting. So, I wanted
to

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see, what's the size of this
market and what can we do with
it? Radio attracted about 8% or
17.2

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billion of all US advertising
dollars making it the fourth
largest advertising medium in
1999.

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Although national advertisers
can buy national network radio
time, here it comes. 90% of all
radio

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advertising is local. Unlike
television, which reaches abroad
audience, the specialized

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programming of radio stations
enables advertisers to reach a
narrow, highly specific
audience,

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such as people who like sports
or urban teenagers who listen to
the latest styles of popular
music.

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Because many people listen to
radio while in their cars, radio
also enables advertisers to
reach

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prospects just before they go
shopping. But because people
listen to the radio while doing
something

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else, such as driving or
working, radio commercials can
be easily misunderstood. As a
result,

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radio ads work best when the
messages are relatively simple
ones for familiar, easily
understood

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products or, and I'll add to
this, which it was a wiki, or if
you can just rewind and listen
to

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the commercial again, because
you're actually interested in
the advertisement, or maybe
because

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it was actually entertaining. So
I'm quite sure I can't be too
far off pace with that theory.

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Okay, even though I'm living
here in Belgium at the castle,
we still have the house in
Amsterdam,

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my mind is already left in
Netherlands and left Belgium. I
mean, I'm barely skimming the
front

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page of the newspaper these
days. It's just like, you know,
why bother? I'm already gone.
Although

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certainly, my mind have not yet
arrived in the UK. In fact, for
the past three days, I've
probably

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been living more in the
northeastern part of America, or
northwestern corner of America,
mainly

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because Dave Winner lives in
Seattle now. Let's see, I've
been listening to Northwest
Noise, which is

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a great podcast. You can get it
from the iPod.org directory.
It's, I mean, there's lots of
history

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about the logging industry and
how tech came in and saved stuff
and about coffee history.

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It's really, it's just fun to
listen to and all the local
news. And I'm also listening to
Koma 1000.

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And of course, they have a
podcast, which you can also
subscribe to with iPod or.

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And, you know, Mount St. Helens
has been in the news. I heard
about it before it was
mainstream

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on the northwest noise, because
it was of course local news. And
it may have drawn to a little
bit

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out of the mainstream now, I
think as well, except on the
local Seattle station, who,

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you know, they picked up a nice
human interstory about Mount St.
Helens. Meet Billy Jonas,

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singer, songwriter, and
musician. He loves to entertain
kids. And 15 years ago, he wrote
a song

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about the 1980 eruption of Mount
St. Helens. 1990, I was hiking
on Mount St. Helens with a group

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of campers. He says it was like
the song just came from the
mountain.

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The kids that were walking with
me at the time immediately just
started dancing and

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popping along. Ever since it's
been part of his show, who's
year Billy decided to put the
song

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on his new CD before the volcano
began burping again. When I
heard about it, I just said,

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oh, that's funny. What do you
know?

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Truman lived by Spirit Lake. Oh,
St. Helens. They told him to
leave. He said,

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give me a break. Oh, St. Helens
says he's working on a new verse
for old St. Helens.

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Now she's gone on blow again.
Old St. Helens. If this is a
proud election, old St. Helens,

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maybe she'll shed light on this
election. Old St. Helens. Billy,
I'm not sure you can't

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shoot the true spirit of things.
I mean, the volcano has just
been belching up steam. You
know,

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burping. Think of the kids, man.
I hereby pledge that burping
belts will be in the next

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verse. I personally can't wait
to hear a Brian Kelp, a couple
of 1000 names.

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All right. Some light
entertainment on your source
code. And from the north,

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western part of the United
States, we go to the other side
of the globe to West,

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nowhere, Japan. Greetings from
West, nowhere, Japan. I don't
know. My name is Steve

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Henryburn. I've been tuning into
your podcast for more for a
little while now. And I think
you're

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doing a fantastic job. Your work
is really building a strong
foundation. I got to blow in our
podcast

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and community and kind of
organized around in really to
grow on. So, tears to you. Thank
you.

31:25.400 --> 31:29.080
Thank you. Wait, but do you
think that Steve being in West,
nowhere, Japan, that he's
actually

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he's actually in a pod? Could he
be in one of those pods? You
know, where you can only lie
down and

31:33.160 --> 31:38.440
you've got just light and a
mirror and a bed. And then he's
really pod casting from a pod?

31:39.640 --> 31:43.960
I was especially happy to see
the directory that you've been
focusing on lately. And it's

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really, it's increasing the
exposure and the availability of
all the pod casts that are out
there.

31:50.680 --> 31:55.640
I took a look through there here
the day and added a bunch to my
list. And it was great help.

31:55.640 --> 32:00.840
Okay, so Steve is talking about
the ipodder.org directory. And I
am amazed about this.

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This is an OPML directory, which
stands for Outline Processor
Markup Language.

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I thought this was going to be
difficult, but I am amazed at
how many people know what OPML
is,

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have an application that outputs
OPML. And how many people are,
frankly, just willing to

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write it up by hand in VI or
text that. It's great. And we
have now, I think 11 people
maintaining

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their own nodes. We even have a
documentation node being set up
as we speak. And it's blowing

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my mind because there's no
single entry point. You know,
anyone could make their own top
level

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and link in my nodes. It's a
complete world outline, if you
will. One thing is right now.

32:39.880 --> 32:46.520
Adding new feeds is a bit of a
hidden mis situation. You really
have only the category

32:46.920 --> 32:51.400
and the title of the feed itself
to go on. So it's hard to really
get a good idea of what the

32:51.400 --> 32:56.920
pod casts is about. Okay, so
this is true. What we're doing
now is we're the links that you
see

32:56.920 --> 33:02.760
in the ipodder.org directory are
links to the pod casts feed
itself to the RSS feed. So it's
not

33:02.760 --> 33:07.320
really easy for newbies who come
along and click on that. And
then maybe their browser parses

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it and they see an XML outline
or maybe it doesn't. They just
see some letters at the top.

33:13.400 --> 33:17.000
Luckily a lot of people are used
to seeing this because that's
how we're currently still

33:17.000 --> 33:23.800
kind of doing RSS except for
some aggregators, some
centralized one like blog lines.
And if you

33:23.800 --> 33:28.040
have a blog lines little button
on your homepage, people can
click and automatically
subscribe to

33:28.040 --> 33:33.960
it and you know, coffee cup for
radio user land. But we don't
have all the stuff, all the

33:34.040 --> 33:37.640
groovy stuff you'd want in
there. And I'm sure that's what
Steve's about to mention.

33:37.640 --> 33:42.040
I would like to see a brief
description of each feed just to
get a better idea of what the
feed

33:42.040 --> 33:47.240
is actually about, what the pod
casts is actually about. Now
that info is usually right in
the source

33:47.240 --> 33:53.880
code of the RSS feed itself. For
example, in your own RSS feed,
the description reads

33:53.880 --> 34:02.200
a daily audio blog post by Adam
Curry in mp3. That's a daily
audio podcast in mp3

34:03.160 --> 34:11.160
Now, this certainly is not all
inclusive, but it at least gives
me the who's and for how often.

34:11.160 --> 34:18.200
So I've got that to work on.
Now, as the description is right
in the source code, shouldn't

34:18.200 --> 34:22.200
be a way to parse that data out?
Absolutely. And Steve, I'm
really glad you brought that up.

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And Steve's audio comment goes
on for at least another two
minutes. But it's really
important

34:26.360 --> 34:30.840
to stuff that you're saying
here. And we do have that. And
in fact last night, day one or

34:30.840 --> 34:35.800
night, we had a very historic
moment together. It was last
night for me yesterday,

34:35.800 --> 34:41.960
I early afternoon for him, maybe
even still morning. And we both
simultaneously bought a new

34:41.960 --> 34:45.320
server. You know, that's kind of
like what women do when they go
shoe shopping, we're like,

34:45.320 --> 34:49.160
oh, that's go buy a server. And
we, you know, we, I'm going to
look at all the options.

34:49.160 --> 34:54.360
And it's an IDE drive on IDE,
raid one, and which, like, get
and how many how big should the

34:54.360 --> 34:58.760
hard drives be? And we're kind
of bandwidth. And what are we
going to name the machines? And
it's just

34:58.920 --> 35:04.120
porn, you know, it's total porn
the way women love shoe
shopping. Some women, most
women,

35:04.120 --> 35:10.680
lots of women love shoe
shopping. And we're going to
really get, get serious on
attacking these

35:10.680 --> 35:16.520
issues. And one of the things
that is high priority on the
list is for the directory, the
submit

35:16.520 --> 35:20.920
links should be a lot easier. If
you're maintaining a node, you
should basically just receive an
email

35:20.920 --> 35:25.880
and you click somewhere and all
the fields are filled in. It
pulls in that data from the RSS

35:25.880 --> 35:30.920
feed, you're right for the
channel title and description.
Even the logo, and that should
automatically

35:30.920 --> 35:37.080
be posted to the iPod.org
homepage, totally right there.
And we're working on it. So
everyone's

35:37.080 --> 35:40.840
thinking about the same thing.
And I'm so happy to see this
come together. And anyone who
wants to

35:40.840 --> 35:45.880
help with this outline stuff,
you're more than welcome to
contribute. There's a link on
the iPod.org

35:45.880 --> 35:51.000
directory right there under
podcasts. How you can contribute
and how you can maintain a node
or

35:51.000 --> 35:56.680
multiple nodes of branches of
this entire tree that we're
making right now. All right, one
more

35:56.680 --> 36:06.680
bushism. It's a topic we've
discussed before. Repetition
works. If I say to you, buy this
soap,

36:06.680 --> 36:10.840
it's better than all the rest.
And I say it really loudly and
with big orange and yellow
colors

36:10.840 --> 36:15.480
and white colors. And I tell
you, over and over and over and
over again, you're going to buy
it.

36:15.560 --> 36:21.000
I promise you. And that is part
of the Republican strategy. So
here it is. Once again,

36:21.000 --> 36:25.160
prepare for a mine control.
Repetition becomes truth. In the
heart of this great city,

36:25.160 --> 36:29.960
we saw tragedy arrive. In the
heart of this great city, we saw
tragedy arrive.

36:29.960 --> 36:59.960
September 11th, September 11th,
September 11th, September 11th,
September 11th, September 11th,
September 11th, September 11th,
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September 11th, September 11th,
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healthy health outcomes,
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and September 11th, September
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very caring oil or framing very
very very critical of a
triedising murder

37:49.400 --> 37:50.400
That's what you're laughing at.

37:50.400 --> 37:51.400
Terrible.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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That's what you're talking
about.

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What you're talking about.

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When I snap by fingers,

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fingers, you'll wake up and vote
for John Kerry.

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And, wake, wake, wake, wake,
wake, wake.

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Yes, Stella, everybody, welcome
back.

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You listen to the Daily Source
Code.

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I'm Adam Curry.

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We have one more song to play
for you before I

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have to go off and find the gas
station or the hot spot
somewhere

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to go and upload all this stuff.

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It is by popular request, Droma
Douchy.

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This is Here You Are, The World
Fingers, the Lumisol.

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[ Music ]

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You're not just a dream that
financials in the midst.

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[ Music ]

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Don't worry, do shade here you
are.

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It's a lot of me song, and I've
got to thank Ivan Roxy for
turning me on to do her

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do shade.

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I ripped the CD off of them, but
if you like what you hear,
there's a whole CD full

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of it, so go out and buy it.

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And that's it for the source
code for today, Thursday,
October 14th, 2004, and I'm

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off.

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I'm going to see if I can upload
this puppy for dinner time as
always you can respond.

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That was interesting.

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You can respond by sending email
to Adam at curry.com or leaving
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In the podcast feed, RSS 2.0 at
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All right, everybody see you
tomorrow for the thank God it's
Friday edition.

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Bye-bye.

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