WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:12.000 Everybody, thank God, it's Friday! 00:12.000 --> 00:16.000 Welcome to the Daily Source Code for Friday October 15th, 2004. 00:16.000 --> 00:17.000 My name is Adam Curry. 00:17.000 --> 00:20.000 Coming to you from Flander's Belgium from Curry Castle 00:20.000 --> 00:24.000 as the girls are starting to tear everything down around me. 00:24.000 --> 00:26.000 The echo is getting larger every day. 00:26.000 --> 00:32.000 We're in the middle of packing up for our move to the United Kingdom 00:32.000 --> 00:34.000 and the drapes are down. 00:34.000 --> 00:38.000 As you walk through the hallways here, you can now hear your footsteps again 00:38.000 --> 00:40.000 as the paintings are coming off the wall. 00:40.000 --> 00:44.000 Gold records, awards, newspaper articles, all that kind of stuff 00:44.000 --> 00:46.000 is all getting put into boxes. 00:46.000 --> 00:50.000 And actually the girls joke at me, my wife and my daughter are saying, 00:50.000 --> 00:54.000 you know, what's going to happen is in about five weeks time. 00:54.000 --> 00:55.000 Everything's going to be done. 00:55.000 --> 00:58.000 The only thing to be left standing when the moopers are done is me standing 00:58.000 --> 01:03.000 over my laptop with my microphone and my iPod and its charging stand. 01:03.000 --> 01:04.000 It gets worse. 01:08.000 --> 01:12.000 So I look towards the weekend and which is nice. 01:12.000 --> 01:14.000 Although the weather here isn't too nice in fact, 01:14.000 --> 01:16.000 this is a kind of dreary day. 01:16.000 --> 01:19.000 And we're entering what I call the tunnel here in the lowlands. 01:19.000 --> 01:21.000 It's kind of like a big car wash. 01:21.000 --> 01:24.000 And you go in, it's just all wet and slimy. 01:24.000 --> 01:28.000 And somewhere near March or April, you start to see the light at the end of the tunnel 01:28.000 --> 01:29.000 and it comes on out. 01:29.000 --> 01:32.000 Anyway, the good news, despite the weather today, 01:32.000 --> 01:34.000 is that we're back with bandwidth. 01:34.000 --> 01:37.000 Yes, welcome to the show that teaches you how to cruise around 01:37.000 --> 01:38.000 Europe on one gig a day. 01:38.000 --> 01:40.000 Because that's apparently what I get. 01:40.000 --> 01:42.000 If you average out the month, having 30 days, 01:42.000 --> 01:45.000 it's 30 gigs per month, one gig a day. 01:45.000 --> 01:48.000 And of course yesterday was a very low bandwidth day. 01:49.000 --> 01:53.000 And today I'm up to 95% of my total quota. 01:53.000 --> 01:54.000 So, hey baby. 01:56.000 --> 01:57.000 Sorry. 01:57.000 --> 02:00.000 You told Mr. Who about the iPod? 02:00.000 --> 02:02.000 Mr. What is he? 02:04.000 --> 02:07.000 Oh, the guy, that's the dude who was burning CDs. 02:07.000 --> 02:09.000 Okay, Christina just came home. 02:09.000 --> 02:11.000 He runs at school with bandwidth. 02:11.000 --> 02:12.000 He was? 02:12.000 --> 02:16.000 His neighbors don't have secured bandwidth, so he never uses his own. 02:16.000 --> 02:18.000 Oh, so he steals their Wi-Fi. 02:18.000 --> 02:19.000 Cool. 02:19.000 --> 02:21.000 And was he going to try iPod or? 02:21.000 --> 02:23.000 Yes. 02:23.000 --> 02:25.000 Now it's iPod.org. 02:25.000 --> 02:26.000 Okay. 02:26.000 --> 02:27.000 Okay. 02:27.000 --> 02:29.000 Do you want to do a video for my answer, please? 02:29.000 --> 02:30.000 Thank you. 02:30.000 --> 02:32.000 Okay. Well, that was well-timed. 02:32.000 --> 02:33.000 That was Christina. 02:33.000 --> 02:34.000 Cool. 02:34.000 --> 02:37.000 As I was just introing the show, 02:37.000 --> 02:41.000 and apparently her one of her teachers is checking out iPod. 02:41.000 --> 02:42.000 Okay. 02:43.000 --> 02:45.000 Speaking of the move for the house, 02:45.000 --> 02:47.000 and for everything over there, 02:47.000 --> 02:50.000 and also for moving to the UK, 02:50.000 --> 02:52.000 I have to get a couple of references, 02:52.000 --> 02:55.000 obviously you need bank references and stuff like that, 02:55.000 --> 02:57.000 but you also need a personal reference. 02:57.000 --> 03:01.000 And a buddy of mine, actually the first guy who taught me, 03:01.000 --> 03:04.000 or who gave me my first helicopter lessons, 03:04.000 --> 03:06.000 I won't say he taught me how to fly, 03:06.000 --> 03:09.000 but he certainly gave me my first three hours worth of training, 03:09.000 --> 03:14.000 was Stu mold pilot that we'd hired when we had the helicopter company. 03:14.000 --> 03:17.000 Retired RAF pilot, 03:17.000 --> 03:20.000 he denies it, but I'm pretty sure he was SIS, 03:20.000 --> 03:22.000 you know, secret air services and all that shit. 03:22.000 --> 03:24.000 And very nice guy, Brett, 03:24.000 --> 03:28.000 and just to give you a little example of British humor. 03:28.000 --> 03:30.000 So I sent him off an email and I said, 03:30.000 --> 03:31.000 you know, dude, would you, 03:31.000 --> 03:34.000 right now he's flying for the Yorkshire police. 03:34.000 --> 03:38.000 He flies their MD 902 or 900 helicopter. 03:38.000 --> 03:41.000 And I said, you know, would you be a reference for me? 03:41.000 --> 03:43.000 And I said, cousin, you know, we're moving. 03:43.000 --> 03:46.000 And he says, hey, I'm good to hear from you again. 03:46.000 --> 03:47.000 Must say I'm a little shocked, 03:47.000 --> 03:48.000 you're moving to the UK. 03:48.000 --> 03:50.000 Everyone here is looking for a way out. 03:50.000 --> 03:53.000 You do realize the country's full of Arab terrorists running 03:53.000 --> 03:56.000 drug and prostitution rings, the health services failed. 03:56.000 --> 03:58.000 Nurses are killing old folks and hospital beds 03:58.000 --> 03:59.000 to make way for others. 03:59.000 --> 04:02.000 The transport system, any of it, doesn't work. 04:02.000 --> 04:03.000 The police have lost the plot, 04:03.000 --> 04:05.000 taxation has never been higher, 04:05.000 --> 04:07.000 and just when we thought things couldn't get worse, 04:07.000 --> 04:10.000 they are forecasting the coldest winter in the UK for years. 04:10.000 --> 04:12.000 And you want to move here. 04:12.000 --> 04:14.000 Please don't tell me you're going to sell the lovely house in Belgium 04:14.000 --> 04:17.000 or is this another pad you're just thinking of buying. 04:17.000 --> 04:19.000 Anyway, we want to go is really nice. 04:19.000 --> 04:21.000 It's at least it was last time I was there. 04:21.000 --> 04:24.000 Very English and far too expensive for asylum seekers, 04:24.000 --> 04:25.000 I suspect. 04:25.000 --> 04:28.000 We would only be too happy to provide a reference for you. 04:28.000 --> 04:31.000 So long as I don't have to vouch for your sanity. 04:31.000 --> 04:34.000 Give a regards to Patricia who I expect is really delighted 04:34.000 --> 04:35.000 about the idea indeed. 04:36.000 --> 04:39.000 So that's the ride British humor for you. 04:39.000 --> 04:42.000 We got lots of cool stuff to talk about in the play. 04:42.000 --> 04:45.000 In today's edition, we'll probably run about 45 minutes. 04:45.000 --> 04:48.000 And I was looking for the perfect song to play today, 04:48.000 --> 04:51.000 because of course I want to try and find tracks that you remember 04:51.000 --> 04:55.000 you really like, but just don't hear on the radio anymore. 04:55.000 --> 04:57.000 And you don't hear enough super-trap. 04:57.000 --> 05:02.000 Goodbye Stranger on the Friday Edition of your daily source code. 05:03.750 --> 07:23.750 [ Music ] 07:24.000 --> 07:26.000 But I really haven't enjoyed my stay. 07:26.000 --> 07:28.000 But I really haven't enjoyed my stay. 07:28.000 --> 07:30.000 But I really haven't enjoyed my stay. 07:30.000 --> 07:32.000 But I really haven't enjoyed my stay. 07:32.000 --> 10:26.000 [ Music ] 10:26.000 --> 10:56.000 let's win and let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let's win, let 10:56.000 --> 11:02.160 find a Wi-Fi hot spot living in where we live here out in the sticks. Well, unless I had 11:02.160 --> 11:07.120 we'd go war driving I might find something but I'd never really done that in the city nearby 11:07.120 --> 11:12.000 or in the town nearby I should say. So I took advice from a hot spot locator and I was supposed 11:12.000 --> 11:17.760 to be a commercial hot spot at a total gas station on the E19 Highway which runs from France 11:17.760 --> 11:22.480 all the way up north to the Netherlands. That's about 15 minutes from my house so I went over there 11:22.560 --> 11:26.640 of course no hot spot at all and you know go and ask the gas station attendant right. 11:28.480 --> 11:35.440 So I remember that I had installed a couple of EMAX at Christina's old school two or three years ago 11:35.440 --> 11:41.120 and drove over and sure enough popped up the network now the school was closed so I had to 11:41.120 --> 11:45.360 sit in my car because it was raining and the only way to get the signal and I posted a picture on 11:45.360 --> 11:50.240 curry.com. The only way to get a signal was to roll down the window, have the the butt of the 11:50.240 --> 11:55.200 laptop sticking out of the window about two inches and because it was raining I had my laptop 11:55.200 --> 12:00.320 case on top of it and I had to hold everything you know kind of just so for about 47 minutes. 12:00.320 --> 12:05.680 So it was interesting because I was also downloading ran a run eye part and I was downloading 12:05.680 --> 12:09.280 the latest shows and listening to them at the same time and I was just about you know 20 minutes 12:09.280 --> 12:15.200 to spare on the battery with the upload and the download so glad it made it up finally. 12:15.760 --> 12:21.600 And when I talked a day a little bit about NPR National Public Radio in the United States 12:21.600 --> 12:28.400 and podcasting. Now I've been talking to Tony Khan who has arranged for a podcast feed 12:28.400 --> 12:33.200 of morning stories and you can find that in the podcast directory under radio and public radio. 12:34.240 --> 12:39.760 And the more I think about it the more I realize how perfect this is for public radio because 12:39.840 --> 12:45.280 public radio is although listener supported you know they've got money they've got lots and 12:45.280 --> 12:52.400 lots of money now like any big organization an NPR is huge you know there's agendas and and people 12:52.400 --> 12:57.920 have you know there's nepotism and friends and links and all kinds of stuff so this stuff is not 12:57.920 --> 13:02.720 going to go extremely fast but from the programmers the people who are making the programs 13:03.280 --> 13:08.320 they see this opportunity and they're jumping at it at least you know the early adopters are like 13:08.320 --> 13:13.200 Tony Khan who by the way please I've pointed to his biography before check them out this guy's 13:13.200 --> 13:19.600 a pioneer, a legend, a legend in public radio and I hope it doesn't mind me saying he's been around 13:19.600 --> 13:24.960 forever but he's and we're going to do some podcasting together when I try to do an interview 13:24.960 --> 13:33.360 do a show and he's getting a lot of public radio program makers radio program makers very 13:33.440 --> 13:38.560 interested in podcasting and I think it's a perfect avenue for all the stuff that NPR just 13:38.560 --> 13:44.160 doesn't have time for you know just doesn't have time for and in fact knowing a little bit 13:44.160 --> 13:49.680 about a public radio and having work for several pubcasters the world over the largest problem 13:49.680 --> 13:55.360 public well certainly public radio has is the commercial competition you know because they have 13:55.360 --> 14:02.480 more money bigger budgets and they create lower quality crap so this is the way to you know jump in 14:03.440 --> 14:10.640 jump in early jump in now and expand your audience just so infinitesimally you know you 14:10.640 --> 14:17.600 would expand it so there's such a degree um I really just you know all the all the possibilities 14:17.600 --> 14:22.160 are just completely mind boggling and people are already we're already doing this they're already 14:22.160 --> 14:25.760 and I'm finding these and people sending me pointers to them there are so many different 14:25.760 --> 14:30.560 applications that will record your favorite NPR show you know in in MP3 so you can put on your 14:30.640 --> 14:36.400 MP3 players some of them might even put it on your MP3 player I mean there's a whole service a company that 14:36.400 --> 14:43.680 you know VC and venture cap was invested in um what is it called sound I can't remember the name of 14:43.680 --> 14:49.600 that company I'll look it up I've pointed to it before they let you subscribe so they give you a 14:49.600 --> 14:55.280 proprietary iPodder and probably do some encoding on the files so you can't you know steal them 14:55.760 --> 15:00.960 and they charge you a subscription like well but we're already paying I mean I've I've contributed 15:00.960 --> 15:07.040 to NPR why should I have to pay to subscribe to get NPR when I can you know record it myself and do 15:07.040 --> 15:14.560 that time shift really why don't we as the finance years of NPR demand you know hey this is great 15:14.560 --> 15:19.440 this is where we want our money to go we want it to be on the air absolutely we also want to be on 15:19.520 --> 15:26.720 iPods so so I'm looking forward to doing more with Tony and supporting him and what he's doing 15:26.720 --> 15:32.880 because I'm sure because of his background he has some good connection of his own and it's really 15:32.880 --> 15:37.120 pushing this stuff and there's some technical people on the inside of NPR at least at WGBH 15:38.080 --> 15:44.720 who really understand this and are pushing from from the bottom up as it were and Dave did a Dave 15:44.720 --> 15:54.960 whiner did a an interview with public radio and Minnesota on Future Tense show hosted by John Gordon 15:54.960 --> 16:01.040 and I'll play this for you it's about five five minutes and well Dave of course is playing the 16:01.040 --> 16:08.080 same the same flute you know Pied Piper's here and inviting NPR in again in this piece now they 16:08.080 --> 16:12.480 only have a real stream available and I'm just realizing now I probably could have hijacked that 16:12.480 --> 16:18.000 and turn it into into an MD3 but that may be more fun if if we try to you know go through the 16:18.000 --> 16:22.560 trials and tribulations of playing a real stream together so let's see if it's four minutes and 58 16:22.560 --> 16:25.920 seconds if you want to skip ahead but I think you want to listen to every single word so I'm going to hit 16:25.920 --> 16:32.800 it now it's contacting host let's see if yet loading listening to the internet this is future 16:32.800 --> 16:39.360 tense from American public media on John Gordon it's called podcasting and it might be the hottest new 16:39.360 --> 16:45.200 thing on the internet a podcast is a talk or music radio show that sent directly to an iPod or 16:45.200 --> 16:51.040 other digital music player through your computer it's a new take on the growing technology called 16:51.040 --> 16:59.040 RSS that pushes text-based web content to computers but with podcasting listener subscribes to audio 16:59.040 --> 17:05.280 feeds podcasting derives its name from the popular iPod player so far it seems to be an outlet 17:05.280 --> 17:12.640 mostly for unpolished sounding bloggers and pirate radio enthusiasts hello again it's Brian 17:12.640 --> 17:21.600 support of a podcast and it's October 13th 2004 that opening clip was private life by 17:21.600 --> 17:29.360 Oingo going go go out and look for it. This isn't going to be a standard sort of rant I don't think 17:30.160 --> 17:35.040 I have a point to make don't know whether I will do that successfully or not 17:37.040 --> 17:42.640 some of you probably will want to tune out main stream broadcasters like new station 17:42.640 --> 17:50.640 KOMO in Seattle and Boston Public Radio Station WGBH are beginning to offer podcasts and observers 17:50.640 --> 17:56.480 see great commercial potential in podcasting technology industry veteran Dave Weiner is a 17:56.480 --> 18:02.560 blogging pioneer and a podcasting advocate he says you can think of podcasts as a sort of 18:02.560 --> 18:09.680 Tivo for radio it's like broadcasting the two in iPod and then take it with you wherever you want 18:09.680 --> 18:15.360 and you listen to the shows that you want to listen to when you want to listen to them so you get 18:15.360 --> 18:21.280 you know geographical choice so you can listen to the for example you listen to a radio show on 18:22.240 --> 18:27.120 which is something that you wouldn't be able to do before or you could listen to a radio show 18:27.120 --> 18:35.120 that was local to by for example San Francisco radio station KGO has a talk show that I like to listen to 18:35.120 --> 18:40.560 and if I wasn't Seattle so you know but now I can listen to it because I can just move it over to my 18:40.560 --> 18:46.560 iPod and then take it with me when I go for a walk or when I write on the train or drive somewhere 18:46.800 --> 18:52.480 so it's giving me choice that's the that's the big deal that podcast and we're in a radio 18:52.480 --> 18:56.800 listen to sort of like well I'll take my chances of what's available on the air being like 18:56.800 --> 19:02.560 after the time listening with podcasting I get the control I get the power 10 days ago I'd never 19:02.560 --> 19:10.320 heard of podcasting and in those 10 days I've had several people say you got to do a story on podcast 19:10.320 --> 19:18.880 and you got up your show has to be podcasted now what happened this amazing all this 19:18.880 --> 19:24.400 amazing and it's the first time I've been in the tech industry now for about 25 years and 19:24.400 --> 19:29.760 this is the first time I've ever seen adoption happen this quickly part of the reason it's been 19:29.760 --> 19:35.920 possible is because of the increased communication that we have through these of weblobs 19:36.800 --> 19:43.600 news can travel much more quickly now and so when something new comes along it sort of sparks 19:43.600 --> 19:48.640 everywhere in the imagination like this as or obviously everyone but so many people's imagination 19:48.640 --> 19:53.120 that that it just you know it's a very efficient we have a very efficient communication system now 19:53.760 --> 19:59.680 the reason why everyone's telling you about it is because it's you know RSS which is the technology 19:59.680 --> 20:06.240 that this is built on top of has been something that has been slowly growing through all you know 20:06.240 --> 20:12.480 forms of journalism amateur professional but it's been print because you know it's what it's been 20:12.480 --> 20:17.760 about reading text on a computer screen what's new here is is that now there's a way for a 20:17.760 --> 20:24.960 radio programming to participate in the RSS revolution and so that's why everybody's telling you 20:24.960 --> 20:30.560 that it's time to do it because we want your contact we want your show available this format and 20:31.440 --> 20:37.280 and it's you know and I don't doubt that we're going to get what we want. I wonder if this will be like 20:37.840 --> 20:44.480 other internet applications where yes lots of people will sort of self publish or do their own 20:44.480 --> 20:51.920 radio shows but it will still be the big guys who have the most audience or the most listeners. 20:52.720 --> 20:56.960 Maybe so but at least it'll be a little playing field so that the barrier's entry will be 20:56.960 --> 21:03.520 that substantial. Dave Winner writes the popular weblog scripting news. He also hosts a podcast 21:03.520 --> 21:10.000 with blogger Adam Curry who you may remember from the early days of MTV. Hey Vanessa news 21:10.000 --> 21:14.720 good morning or good evening depending on where you are welcome to trade secrets on that I'm 21:14.720 --> 21:22.400 curry in Belgium. Dave Haskell. Dave Winner at five a.m. in Seattle. You're such a trooper Dave. 21:22.400 --> 21:32.000 This is a speech I'm John Gordon. Okay future cast John Gordon pretty good piece there although 21:33.840 --> 21:38.240 the choice of audio clips of course makes me chuckle you know if you choose all the bits where 21:38.240 --> 21:41.920 people are saying I don't know if anyone's listening I don't know if you care what I'm about to say 21:42.000 --> 21:46.880 so maybe a little bit slanted there for the to accentuate the point but totally understood. 21:46.880 --> 21:51.360 Then I was listening to that a couple of things that pumped in the mind one is on traditional 21:51.360 --> 21:56.400 radio you can train to formats and that's just the way it works you know you have a top 40 21:56.400 --> 22:02.480 station old station classical station talk news news sports all sports you know these are formats 22:02.480 --> 22:07.120 and you don't necessarily and the reason why you have formats let me explain that is because when 22:07.200 --> 22:11.280 people are cruising around the dial that's how they cruise or that's what the belief is is 22:11.840 --> 22:15.360 I just you know I want I want to hear some news now boom you got to hear some news got to be news 22:15.360 --> 22:19.360 immediately and you know when people are going to switch because all the stations in one market 22:19.360 --> 22:23.760 know exactly when the commercials are running on one station the top 40 stations used to have 22:23.760 --> 22:29.600 lights that would pop up that I worked at when the when the competitor was in the commercials 22:29.600 --> 22:33.280 so that we could hit some music so that when people got bored around three minutes in the 22:33.280 --> 22:37.280 commercials that read it to switch stations boom we played the biggest hit we have I mean this 22:37.280 --> 22:42.400 is very competitive environment but so it's always going to be music you know so you're not 22:42.400 --> 22:46.320 going to have a station that when you when you when people are switching looking for a music 22:46.320 --> 22:49.840 station that there's something there that you know they're not expecting or they're not looking for 22:50.880 --> 22:54.640 with the podcast you know you can put everything together make you're on a little specialized 22:54.640 --> 22:59.120 station where it's much more about you know about the personality granted you're probably 22:59.120 --> 23:02.960 going to get less of a wide audience but the audience will be very dedicated to that topic so 23:03.280 --> 23:07.200 that's how radio works this is the beauty of all this I've been waiting this for this to happen 23:07.200 --> 23:13.760 for 10 years since the first day I saw a modem and someone pushing PCM encoded audio through a 23:13.760 --> 23:18.960 56k modem I said this is broadcasting I know how to do this we got to make the broadcast part work 23:18.960 --> 23:22.960 and it turned out completely different I had no idea that it would I thought it was going to be 23:22.960 --> 23:27.840 streaming and then I saw them revenue modeled and work on that and this is clearly the way to go 23:27.840 --> 23:33.680 and and I guarantee you that people with iPods will listen to the radio shows on iPods 23:33.680 --> 23:37.680 through whatever means they get on if it's iPod or something it looks like it as long as 23:37.680 --> 23:41.520 I don't have to pay for it I guarantee they're also going to listen to the commercials just 23:41.520 --> 23:45.120 make them entertaining they can fun again you know you don't you're not constrained to your 23:45.120 --> 23:50.320 22nd or 32nd or 22nd or 22nd with a 10 second tag somewhere else it's you can do all kinds of 23:50.320 --> 23:56.960 new things create be creative every ball that also I just want to say again that the big O wow 23:56.960 --> 24:02.080 factor here is that we as and I'll just call us consumers for a moment here have been marketed that 24:02.080 --> 24:08.160 this you know just the way playlists are set up in in MP3 players you're conditioned to think of them as 24:08.160 --> 24:13.680 tracks as music as you know you can download music and put it on it's yeah maybe the exception 24:13.680 --> 24:18.720 is an audio book but pretty much I think still the whole mass market is focused and has been 24:18.720 --> 24:24.800 conditioned to focus on music as being what you put on these MP3 players and no one really ever thought 24:25.120 --> 24:30.560 about it and then we came along with with his iPod idea and then you know we kind of forced the 24:30.560 --> 24:34.880 issue where once you subscribe then you're going to find out that hey we can put other things 24:34.880 --> 24:38.880 on these iPods and it function is at a whole different device and I think that's what the real 24:38.880 --> 24:43.040 magic is here is people are saying oh wow you know this also and I have something that's even 24:43.040 --> 24:48.080 more valuable than I thought it was and again I think people are just very bored with with the 24:48.080 --> 24:53.200 choice that they have on radio not that radio is boring far be it for me to say that but 24:53.200 --> 25:00.000 certainly certainly needs some more choice let's talk about the cost of podcasting for second 25:00.000 --> 25:07.600 my cost these days is about $10 a show and that's because I use this fancy wireless mic 25:07.600 --> 25:13.360 setup that takes two nine volt batteries and I was buying my regular pair of batteries the other 25:13.360 --> 25:19.360 day I always have four on hand and I looked at the price and I said actually it's more expensive 25:19.520 --> 25:25.440 this five euros per nine volt battery five euros that's like six bucks and I said you know 25:26.320 --> 25:33.440 excuse me why is this so you know why does this so expensive and lady in the store said oh that's 25:33.440 --> 25:37.680 all taxes I said oh really what kind of taxes oh it's it's taxes for the environment 25:38.880 --> 25:44.320 this is legislation that wants to convince you to use rechargeable batteries you know what I am 25:44.320 --> 25:50.400 fucking convinced so tomorrow I go out and buy me some rechargeable batteries because this is just 25:50.400 --> 25:59.360 this is could get an out of hand let's see um right I got so talk about the iPodder.org 25:59.360 --> 26:03.760 directory this is also something very exciting just like the iPodder developers were were you know 26:03.760 --> 26:08.000 developing iPodders now we have other people who maybe not is technically inclined but really 26:08.000 --> 26:12.000 want to help out was what we're doing and they're helping out by building this open directory 26:12.160 --> 26:20.720 through a format called OPML outline process or markup language and Aldo Castaneda had been emailing 26:20.720 --> 26:26.480 me back and forth and he's interested in business and finance and I think he might still be at school 26:26.480 --> 26:33.040 university let me see if I can um oh anyway he did I remember he did ask about making money on 26:33.040 --> 26:39.520 the trade secrets we played an audio clip from him and he's now managing the law uh node as well as 26:39.840 --> 26:46.800 business and finance and he sent me a node here he says uh actually he says am I missing something 26:46.800 --> 26:51.200 technology wise that makes this idea suck and I'll tell you what the idea was of the answer is no 26:51.200 --> 26:56.560 he says he wants an audio update of new stuff in the category and I think that's a great idea so 26:56.560 --> 27:02.640 if you go down to uh if you go into a category and in this case Aldo is hosting that category himself 27:03.760 --> 27:09.120 so if there's something new you could provide a podcast so just another podcast feed which is an RSS 27:09.120 --> 27:15.680 2.0 feed with enclosures pointing to an MP3 file where you can update people on new shows coming 27:15.680 --> 27:20.480 into your directory they'll receive it automatically through their iPod or right uh and you can play 27:20.480 --> 27:25.600 a snippet or something that they will give people a good idea of what um what that's about what that 27:25.600 --> 27:30.960 shows about and then help them uh go uh to your node and subscribe so I think it's a great idea oh 27:30.960 --> 27:36.640 I was speaking of uh the OPML directory um I got an audio comment about that 27:37.600 --> 27:41.600 hello Adam this is Justin Walgreens from Lost Cruces New Mexico 27:41.600 --> 27:47.200 I had a comment on the feedback you played on Thursday's Daily Source Code regarding the fact that the 27:47.200 --> 27:54.640 OPML directory does not have descriptions for the feeds uh I think the directory itself the OPML code should 27:54.640 --> 28:04.080 stay the way it is uh just a list of uh XML RSS feeds displaying the title and the description for the RSS 28:04.160 --> 28:10.240 feed should be the job of the viewer and should not be encoded into the XML itself because people 28:10.240 --> 28:15.520 could change the description on their feed I'm working on my own version of iPod or written in 28:15.520 --> 28:23.120 Coco for uh macOS 10 Panther uh which supports this feature and certainly the web interface that is 28:23.120 --> 28:30.000 parsing the OPML and displaying it at ipod.org could be modified to do the same thing uh so that's 28:30.000 --> 28:35.440 my two cents thanks for listening uh love the source code keep it up. Excellent okay thank you very 28:35.440 --> 28:40.160 much so a couple things there first of all is developing a Coco iPod which is great news and he's 28:40.160 --> 28:45.360 apparently already incorporating the iPod directory OPML into that so what he's saying is that we should 28:45.360 --> 28:51.280 let some of that stuff like pulling in the information from the channel from the RSS feeds uh that 28:51.280 --> 28:57.040 should be handled by uh by the iPod or client and I don't know but I sure hope you're uh posting to the 28:57.120 --> 29:03.280 iPod or developer list uh you can uh just go to the iPod.org home page and you can see uh on the 29:03.280 --> 29:08.320 on the links there's the link to the mailing list so please join that the more the merrier and uh 29:08.320 --> 29:12.320 I've seen a couple other people uh looking at integrating this and uh remember I told you about 29:12.320 --> 29:18.800 the servers that Dave and I purchased oh by the way I'm still not verified now I've uh I'm trying 29:18.800 --> 29:24.480 to get a hold of them to get a fax number to send off my credit card and uh and my passport 29:24.480 --> 29:31.840 being the European that I am um uh Dave is set his up uh uh for podcast pings now if you've ever 29:31.840 --> 29:37.120 been to weblogs.com you know that that's the place that you go to see if a weblog is updated uh 29:37.120 --> 29:42.720 there's an HTML interface so you just go to weblogs.com and it tells you what weblogs have been updated in the 29:42.720 --> 29:48.000 past a few hours and you can step through it to go back more hours if you wish the way this works is 29:48.000 --> 29:52.560 just about all blogging software these days either does it automatically your provides a place 29:52.640 --> 29:58.240 for you to enter a URL to issue this ping now the reason why this is important is because at the 29:58.240 --> 30:05.040 at the back end of weblogs.com is an XML file called changes.xml I think there's also a 30:05.040 --> 30:12.640 recently change or small changes.xml to lower you know the bandwidth on people requesting this file 30:12.640 --> 30:18.560 but with this file that's something that we could integrate into the iPodders so you could do all 30:18.640 --> 30:24.000 kinds of stuff with that you could fire off emails when a podcast you subscribed to was updated 30:25.040 --> 30:31.120 you could make it bold in a window you could just provide a channel guide and say here here's 30:31.120 --> 30:36.000 something new that popped up if it's not in the subscriptions list so a whole bunch of things we 30:36.000 --> 30:42.720 can do and I'm really excited about that and I think I'm pretty sure Dave is going to do some 30:42.720 --> 30:47.360 bootstrapping to get some data in there and this particular source code will of course ping 30:47.360 --> 30:55.600 the URL so you'll at least see my my my podcast show up in the changes.xml so that's kind of for 30:55.600 --> 31:02.400 the developers there also funny Dave recorded actually he I think he even called it is very first 31:02.400 --> 31:07.920 official podcast it was so excited about Google desktop search that he installed it and while it was 31:07.920 --> 31:14.560 running and indexing he he recorded a podcast and he did it on his older machine which I'll have to 31:14.560 --> 31:21.920 say is probably not the most stable thing around or it's it's been known to do some funky stuff 31:21.920 --> 31:28.400 and he's got a lot of shit running on his aggregator and stuff so you know this is why I always 31:28.400 --> 31:34.560 recorded a iFF before and then compressed the MP3 later is because if your machine gets a CPU glitch 31:34.560 --> 31:40.080 you can skip and it'll actually skip in the encoding and most software packages will even tell you 31:40.720 --> 31:45.920 so I'm not gonna play it because it's so hurtful but it was I'm sure Dave was telling a great 31:45.920 --> 31:53.040 story and he was talking about fractional HTTP servers and whoops and how oh no second now I'm 31:53.040 --> 32:00.000 getting the funky stuff here from from my setup okay he was talking about how radio had that in the 32:00.000 --> 32:05.600 beginning with using port 5335 and it was great but it was just skipping through the whole thing 32:05.600 --> 32:11.120 you could barely hear a word he was saying so as far as I can insert so far Google desktop search 32:11.120 --> 32:17.760 which of course doesn't run in the Mac totally blows because it screwed up my life and I think I just 32:17.760 --> 32:23.760 thought Dave posted he'd actually he was able to successfully uninstall it and now his machine is 32:23.760 --> 32:28.240 back to normal but the whole concept I think is good and it's definitely a daring move of Google to 32:28.240 --> 32:33.360 do that unfortunately it doesn't work for the Mac and it's not gonna you know even if it did run 32:33.360 --> 32:37.120 on the Mac it wouldn't track any of my files because it you know it looks for outlook messages and 32:37.120 --> 32:44.640 stuff like that okay we're about 32 minutes into the source codes podcast for today by the way 32:45.280 --> 32:48.880 a lot of people talking about the name podcast where that came from I can't remember who it was 32:48.880 --> 32:55.520 that that that registered podcast dot com so that's the the guy that probably came with it first 32:55.520 --> 33:01.360 Dave slushle remember because he saw it in his refer logs but I'm not actually doing a podcast here 33:01.440 --> 33:06.880 you know I'm doing a podcast you you you must have misunderstood me all right so I said hi to a 33:06.880 --> 33:12.240 dawn of the dawn of drew shade the show yesterday on the source code because he's talking about me 33:12.240 --> 33:18.080 and well they played the clip on their own show and here's a dawn's response 33:20.080 --> 33:26.160 he told me put on this sexy voice the directory yeah he got a quiet because he doesn't want 33:26.160 --> 33:33.520 his wife to hear Adam Curry you're so busted you're right if my wife actually what I was 33:33.520 --> 33:38.880 doing now yeah quite honestly her sister listens and then calls her up and tells her what I said 33:40.720 --> 33:47.200 wait so I'm in love with Adam Curry that's what he says he's out at me he doesn't know if that's 33:47.200 --> 33:53.200 gonna cause me to get divorced then I'll have to move with him we could get divorced on the show 33:53.200 --> 33:58.720 because of that tune in next time to find out what happens in the continuing saga of dawn to 33:59.440 --> 34:07.520 an Adam whoa something's really funky about my setup today home on a second there we go 34:08.960 --> 34:16.720 is it still recording uh that's hard to tell yeah it is oh man this is just not my day okay let's 34:16.720 --> 34:22.720 move along now so that was a bit from dawn and drew here's something really cool that came in on 34:22.800 --> 34:28.240 the portalette podcast now it's a Brian who who does the show he told me that he had to work 34:28.240 --> 34:34.080 as office and he was using a Mac G4Q I have one of those at the office in Amsterdam I love the 34:34.080 --> 34:39.600 machine but indeed it's a lot sorely lacking internal microphone or even a lining put so he'd 34:39.600 --> 34:45.040 have to use a griffin eye mic or some other USB device but he came up with a whole different concept 34:45.040 --> 34:50.240 and I'd never and I don't know if he was doing this on a Mac or if he was using the natural 34:50.240 --> 34:55.760 voices from AT&T I mean I gotta have this whoever put this out I hope it works on a Mac 34:55.760 --> 34:59.680 listen to the quality of this text to speech in the recent portalette podcast 35:04.720 --> 35:12.240 it's October 14th 2004 and this is the portalette podcast Brian had to work late tonight so 35:12.240 --> 35:17.920 he has asked me his computer to fill in for him you'll have to forgive me this is my first time 35:18.560 --> 35:23.360 so I'm not exactly sure what to do now do you hear this I mean I've heard a lot of text to 35:23.360 --> 35:28.400 speech synthesis but this is really good I mean this is like an actual voice yeah it's a little 35:28.400 --> 35:33.680 burpy here in there but it's not hard to parse at all why don't I just start off with a little news 35:33.680 --> 35:39.440 and updates the podcast seems to be going well he has been getting a lot of email from people all 35:39.440 --> 35:44.640 over the place he asked me to respond to the guy who asked about the mixer he's using 35:45.440 --> 35:51.360 it's a six channel and it's made by Samsung now here's what's cool is he has other voices 35:51.360 --> 35:56.960 even with accents and he puts those in and then when they talk together it's it's crazy 35:56.960 --> 36:04.480 hey everybody look who's here it's Mark Stingpet Alfonso don't any chicks right in 36:04.480 --> 36:10.480 unfortunately no what are you doing I'm podcasting what's that it's like blogging 36:11.120 --> 36:19.440 but only with audio that's sad real sad I know I like to better when he was down here late 36:19.440 --> 36:27.120 doing what it's word or what you got in your browser cash just a bunch of mp3 files now 36:27.920 --> 36:34.080 man this pop casting sounds like bush it 36:34.240 --> 36:40.240 then I got a woman in there and an English guy and it's great I really love it and I 36:40.240 --> 36:44.000 I wouldn't mind listening to an audio book that way if you could put if you have if you have a 36:44.000 --> 36:48.480 novel and you put in uh different voices with different characters I think it would work so I 36:48.480 --> 36:52.800 got to find out what that is that's excellent stuff I hope it's not windows only because I really like 36:52.800 --> 36:58.320 it and then another uh whacked out idea that I that I received from Andrew Woolridge 36:59.200 --> 37:04.800 um see uh I'll just read his email to you so if you listen to your podcast on my laptop while 37:04.800 --> 37:08.880 writing home on the train here at San Francisco very cool had a minor brainstorm regarding regarding 37:08.880 --> 37:14.720 podcasting wanted to relate to you what if you combine podcasting with geocaching mean imagine if 37:14.720 --> 37:20.240 you were going to a certain location in your geocache say to the top of a hill overlooking a nice ocean 37:20.240 --> 37:24.880 before you left you went to podcasting.org or something and downloaded all the comments stories or 37:24.880 --> 37:28.960 whatever you have about the location then when you got there you could listen to all the stories or 37:28.960 --> 37:33.760 impressions of all the people who had visited that location so I think what he's saying here and this 37:33.760 --> 37:41.520 sounds really cool is to create a podcast feed based on geographic location so indeed you could have 37:41.520 --> 37:47.040 a database and these already exist it look into geocaching people are way into handheld GPS devices 37:47.040 --> 37:53.040 and doing treasure hunts and uh and uh even walking tours you know so you can get uh points of interest 37:53.200 --> 37:57.040 and where to walk and little pop up and tell you you know what's interesting about that particular 37:57.040 --> 38:04.640 particular point imagine leaving you know like comments in midair so if if you are on a certain 38:04.640 --> 38:12.320 bridge in Amsterdam um that well let's just really imagine fast forward right and there would be a 38:12.320 --> 38:17.760 feed for that particular geographic location or anything within uh you know within a 20 meter radius 38:18.640 --> 38:23.200 and you could download that and and it would put on your iPod or maybe it would you download an 38:23.200 --> 38:27.760 entire walking tour and once you hit a certain location it would give you the files I mean I just like 38:27.760 --> 38:33.680 the idea of having space being trackable where you are and I always love the the museum tours 38:33.680 --> 38:37.360 remember those are kids and you put in the earphones the Smithsonian probably still has it 38:37.360 --> 38:43.520 or they have updated versions shit they had one at the uh uh uh and Pompeii they had an audio 38:43.600 --> 38:48.800 walking tour um you know just think of all the the possibilities of that I think it's uh pretty 38:48.800 --> 38:54.560 outrageous okay one more bit that I want to play from the Engaget podcast uh these guys are really 38:54.560 --> 39:02.080 on fire they're already at a you know fantastic community with uh Engaget.com and they do a uh 39:02.080 --> 39:08.720 I guess mom maybe a twice a week podcast now and Len it's Lenin Phil who are on the show is 39:08.720 --> 39:16.240 doing something pretty exciting and upcoming a Riley conference. So speaking of a Riley and good 39:16.240 --> 39:23.040 folks over there um something cool came up the other day through you and I um where they're looking 39:23.040 --> 39:30.080 for some cool sessions to do at their macOS 10 conference that's happening um the week of the 20 39:30.080 --> 39:35.920 year fifth I think it's the 25th through the 28th and um turns out they were looking to do a session 39:35.920 --> 39:40.960 on podcasting and they came to the good current and gadget and um I'm gonna do the sessions. 39:40.960 --> 39:46.400 Yep so it's pretty cool I'm gonna do a session about podcasting everything about it how to 39:46.400 --> 39:51.520 consume how to create and how to distribute podcasts and uh we're gonna talk about how to do it on 39:51.520 --> 39:55.280 the mac we're gonna talk a little bit about how to do it on the PC so um should be pretty cool if 39:55.280 --> 40:00.960 anyone's listening it's going to the conference pop up and tell us how we're doing. Yeah I uh I 40:01.040 --> 40:06.800 think it'll be interesting I can't make it because it's my anniversary and the last year I was in 40:06.800 --> 40:16.640 China and I got forgiven for that because I was literally China um yeah dude dude dude it's okay 40:16.640 --> 40:22.000 it's okay we understand you don't have to go anniversary totally get it rocked the situation 40:22.000 --> 40:26.560 so um look forward to that and I think only appropriate now to say of course that November 6 40:26.640 --> 40:33.680 will have a huge um podcasting session session I should say uh get together I'm just leading the 40:33.680 --> 40:39.200 session everyone's gonna be hanging out podcasting recording god knows what bring your boombox bring 40:39.200 --> 40:44.880 your speakers your amplifiers your microphones November 6 in Palo Alto uh it's gonna be 40:44.880 --> 40:49.120 you blast and that's it for the source code for today I'm ready for the weekend how about you guys 40:49.120 --> 40:56.480 huh that's it for October 15 Friday 2004 thank you very much for listening 40:56.480 --> 41:03.280 we might get a trade secret cut over the weekend uh like and uh get Dave up at a reasonable 41:03.280 --> 41:08.640 hour to do that he's got his new computer installed um and of course Monday we'll back with another 41:08.640 --> 41:16.400 source code as you want to respond send me an email add them at curry.com leave me a comment 41:16.400 --> 41:21.520 on my weblog live dot curry dot com force the archives and the current shows of the source code 41:21.680 --> 41:26.480 find them on daily source code dot com subscribe to the RSS feed the podcast feed me the daily 41:26.480 --> 41:33.760 source code dot com slash RSS dot XML all right we out of here see you Monday everybody