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Welcome to the Daily Source
Code, neither sleep, snow, rain
or transcendental move can stop
us from bringing your source
code every single day.

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Hi, it's Adam Curry coming to
you from Flanders Bells, you're
from Curry Castle.

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And boy, I gotta tell you,
actually it's not really even
the Curry Castle anymore, it's
just one big empty room, one big
space, everything is out.

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Yeah, actually just about
everything is out except for two
cats, two dogs, Christina and
myself, and we have one bed, we
have one small portable
television.

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And let's see, we have two
laptops, yeah, how could I
forget?

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I'm on the trusty power book and
Christina is on my old Windows
laptop, which she loves.

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This is the source code, today
is Tuesday, it's November 16th,
2004, we're right in the middle
of our international move to the
United Kingdom and still love to
bring you a source code.

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The movers are out, the trucks
are gone, they've actually
loaded up even my car, got
loaded up under one of the, into
one of the container trucks and
they're on their way to the UK
now Patricia and her sister
Ivan.

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They probably are already in
England right now, they're
probably on their way to the
hotel.

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And so the point is that
Christina and I are holding down
the fort here for a couple more
days.

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Actually, just to give you an
idea of what it sounds like,
I'll just walk into the, so this
is still the bar and now, now
listen to this echo.

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Now, you know, some people pay
lots of money in studios to get
an echo like this.

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Hello.

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I have the fire on, that's about
the only thing you know, listen
into our fireplace here.

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Ooh, get that.

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Wow, it's hot too. Let me just
throw another log on real quick.

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So basically it's just a big ass
empty house, Christina and I
staying in the same queen size
bed I might add tonight and also
tomorrow night and then Thursday
we actually will be taken off as
well.

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And so as I said, the only thing
left standing is a couple of
teacups, one ass tray, you know,
that's for.

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And since they toured on the big
max setup, I pulled out the
windows laptop, the via laptop.

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Christina has been bugging me
for years to get windows. Now,
what do you think?

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Now that your own windows, you
love it, really? You're hurting
me, you're hurting your dad by
saying this.

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Really, you love windows? What
is it about windows that you
like so much?

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The MSN.

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The MSN, because everyone else
has cool MSN.

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And the being able to watch
videos about being ripped off
because I don't have a new
version of the windows media
player.

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Oh, you couldn't watch videos
because they would only play on
windows media players.

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So who's who's ripping who off?

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Exactly, just wanted to hear you
say.

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I don't care if you use a shit
as long as you got your
priorities straight there.

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All righty, so a lot to do, a
lot to talk about today, I'm
going to show you.

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I don't even have any music for
today, but that's partially
because I just didn't have time
to, you know, to peruse around
to find stuff and haven't really
been listening.

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Well, I've been listening to
some podcasts, obviously, what
we've been moving, but haven't
really been listening to any
music per se.

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So nothing really queued up for
you for today's show.

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I've been meaning to talk for
quite a while now about the
whole week radio show.

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Show comes from Alaska.

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If you've never heard it,
subscribe to it from the
iPodor.org directory.

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Also on the show notes now, I'm
working on building up a some
kind of production system.

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I'm now going to add into the
show notes, the directory note
from, or the actual link to the
podcast that I'll take from the
director.

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Does that make any sense? So
basically, there's going to be
an HTML page, which will show
all the stuff, but what's really
cool is there's also going to be
an OPL mill version.

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So that, well, somehow we're
going to have to figure out, I
don't know, I got to talk to,
you know, I should post
something on the iPodor
developer list actually, because
it makes sense that,

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we're already pulling in
directory stuff in OPL. It's
such a beautiful format, and
particularly for production
notes,

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they may be a way for, you know,
for you just to make some kind
of OPL file available, which is
real simple.

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It's not line or copy and paste
stuff, you know, it's don't have
to do a lot of work, but then
the iPodor software,

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maybe they could render that and
do something cool with it.
Anyway, back to a whole week
radio.

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I've been meaning to play a
little bit from a whole week
radio, and these are, they've
got a such an excellent setup.

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And I don't know what it looks
like, and I've never purposely
never visited their website.

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Well, I have briefly, but I,
because I have such a imaginary
thought of, you know, where Jim
Bob is sitting, and where Esther
is sitting,

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and what the weed hole is, and
you know, is he really stringing
a microphone down through the
weed hole,

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and he's got this cool setup,
because apparently a lot of
people listen to him do the show
live as he's streaming it, and
of course, now they're also
podcasting.

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And they can leave comments in a
chat room, and then, but that's
a synthesized voice that also
pops up between Jim Bob and
Esther talking.

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It's pretty freaky, but once
you're into it, you kind of, you
kind of get addicted to it, that
there's this third voice,

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which is out there, which is
controlled by the listeners.

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So just a little bit, because
there's nothing quite as cool as
listening to a husband and wife
fights on podcast, you know,

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having quite gotten Michael
Butler's whole thing recorded
yet, but, and I'm sure the
Patricia and I will have a good
spat to record on one of these
podcasts,

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but this is not really a fight,
but Jim Bob and Esther, with
actually this was a short, I
think it was a promo of a whole
wheat radio.

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I'm just going to play a little
bit of it, so get an idea of
what they're about, you like it.

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He doesn't let me kiss him on
the lips, it's just the cheek.

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Here, you want to, you want to
taste something?

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No, don't ask off.

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It's steaming.

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We're having a fire, I don't
know.

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I don't like phrases like shoes
off zone.

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When did the world turn so
friggin' new agey and yeah,
shoes off zone?

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Just say take your damn boots
off.

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I didn't do anything.

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I leaked because I pulled out
early.

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Oh, right on.

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I pulled the pot out, so I could
get a cup of coffee in it.

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Okay, so you get the idea of Jim
Bob and Esther, a whole wheat
radio, which reminds me there's,

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and I've been listening to
George Carlin audiobook, there's
another piece in there.

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He's talking about euphemisms
throughout the whole book,
Marty, about halfway through.

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And so audiobook, I'll be sure
to play some of that in source
codes to come in the next week
or so.

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God, when he goes through his
euphemisms, just like, you know,
Jim Bob kind of did, you know.

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It's like shoes off zone.

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What happened to take your damn
boots off, George Carlin just
does a wicked euphemism piece,

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which as I said, I'll get to you
here on the source code.

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And a message from our friends
over at Indyfeet.

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Yeah, this is Chris McDonald
over at Indyfeet.

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Just wanted to get in touch with
you.

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And, you know, I'm really pumped
about all this great talk and
promotion for independent acts.

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And certainly appreciate you
mentioning what we're doing.

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In your recent shows, you had
mentioned how it made sense to
start getting some of the more
popular songs

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that people were requesting and
getting them on heavy rotation.

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And so what we're going to be
doing over at Indyfeet is we're
going to take the songs that we
hear.

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And anything that's kind of
consistently being played, we're
going to make sure we get those
feeds

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and have them archived and
available for anyone who wants
to check them out.

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If they want to just check out
the music alone, after they hear
the good stuff that you're
promoting there,

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they can always go over here as
well.

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So just want to let you know
that.

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And to kick things off, we
contacted Brad over at Brad
sucks.

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And I'm happy to say that we've
got dirt bag up and running and
available for people to listen
to.

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That particular song can be
found at the Alternative and
Modern Rock channel.

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Well, okay, thanks a lot.

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And we really appreciate what
you're doing.

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And if there's anything we can
do to help, just let us know.

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All right, talk to you later.

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Yeah, right, I'm Chris.

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Chris McDonald there from
Indyfeeds.

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And it's good to hear that our
our buddy Brad sucks is on the
Indyfeeds.

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He's getting some airplane.

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Looks like something's happening
here.

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Now I've played him three times
in as many podcasts.

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So I'm going to lay off Brad for
one day.

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But definitely check it out and
Indyfeeds because it's a great
way to catch new music.

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And it's funny actually that I
do subscribe to all the
Indyfeeds.

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But still nothing came in today
that I really felt suitable for
the show.

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Sometimes we talk about users
and developers partying
together.

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The source code seems to be kind
of an apex for a lot of that
nastiness that we do.

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And wouldn't you know that Don
and Drew, of course, we all know
and love Don and Drew.

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Yeah, I've been listening to
that.

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I was I went on my bike to get
some Chinese takeout for for
Christina.

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Not actually my bike.

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The only bike that's left here.

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Why did money that leave Dennis
is bike here Christina?

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You don't know.

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Sorry.

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It's ugly.

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It's ugly.

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Okay.

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What was the point?

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Oh, I was listening to Don and
Drew on the headset as I was
biking along.

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And man, I almost fell off a
couple times.

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But anyway, Don and Drew came up
with something really awesome.

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Which was what is Don call it
the double ender.

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The double ender means that you
basically record a podcast
together.

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And you may be communicating
with each other via telephone,
cell phone or perhaps even
Skype.

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But you each do a recording of
your own side of the
conversation.

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And they did this.

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I think their buddy James the
invincible set him up for it.

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But they did this with two power
books.

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Well, Don was on was in San
Francisco.

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And Drew was back in Wisconsin.

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And then I guess they emailed
the file over.

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And he sinked the two up in
Garage Band.

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Now, I've been told that this
doesn't always work.

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I can certainly imagine where it
would work with two computers at
the same

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making model.

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Because it has something to do
with a clock speed.

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And I'm almost quite certain
that you'd have to do it in raw
file format like

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AIFF or wave or something.

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Because the minute you start
compressing, if you're using
different compressors,

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then there can be a time lapse
that appears which would
basically screw it up.

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But I haven't done a lot of
testing with that.

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It's something I do want to do
because Dave and I do trade
secrets.

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We do trade secrets.

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We do it through Skype
technology.

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Which I read somewhere else.

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If someone says shoot me an
email saying that the Mac
version of Skype is coming

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and that it will have separate
in and outputs.

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Well, anyway, we'll look out for
that.

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But when you get users doing
stuff like that, the developers
in our

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little community here of iPod or
nuts take note.

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And they really take note.

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And then they do something about
it.

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And they try to figure stuff out
and try to make stuff for it.

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Here's proof that users and
developers party together.

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Listen to some of the iPod or
lemon team.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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Good night.

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This is Andrew Grummit.

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Matthew Bishop and I'm Goth.

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And we are conferencing in over
Skype and doing a little test to
see if we

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can record this conference call.

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Which would be fascinating if we
had anything to talk about.

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We have no agenda whatsoever.

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Just testing the recording time.

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Really.

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It's just completely a test.

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But yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Hey, right?

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Basically.

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Yeah, we're on about boring
ship.

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Basically, Andrew got this idea
because he was listening to the

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Don Drew Show.

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So you could tell that story,
Andrew.

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Oh, yeah.

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So I think a bunch of other
people noticed this too.

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But Don and Drew did a remote
podcast where Drew was in
Wisconsin and

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Don was in California.

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We were just, you know, we've
been listening to trade secrets
and we're just kind of

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blown away with the quality, the
sound quality, if they're
recording.

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And so scratch in our heads
wondering how they did it.

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So of course, Drew wrote it all
up.

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And it's actually a pre-standard
technique apparently.

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It is a name.

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It's called doing a double
ender.

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But anyway.

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Well, there's a triple ender.

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Oh, yeah.

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There you go.

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That's very dope.

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Nice.

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So we thought we'd give it a
shot.

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And so we are.

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And dating.

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But of course, you were the evil
genius.

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So you'd figured out what he was
doing as you were listening,
right?

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Not as I was listening.

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I actually figured it out on the
way to work today.

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I just had one of those moments
where, of course, you know,
everyone's a

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genius in their own mind.

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So I thought, ah, I know what
they're doing.

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And I went back and I thought,

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You need to go wrong channel
off.

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No, no, no, no, no wrong channel
off.

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Yeah.

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That bastard.

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That's what he was doing.

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Drew, you exactly.

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Mother.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Whatever.

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So I think what we're going to
do now is we're all going to
hang up.

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And we're going to send our
files around and try to mix them
all back together

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and audacity.

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Which is a great chance.

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But is anyone actually going to
bother publishing this?

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Or we're just going to use it to
convince ourselves that we're
freaking

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geniuses.

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I might play it on the podcast.

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Bit to bit.

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We'll see.

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I'll put the whole thing up.

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I'll put the whole thing up.

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You're horrible people.

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Um, so have it.

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We just stopped the recording
and then you want to make it.

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MP3 is this time to have smaller
size.

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You think that'll work?

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Ah.

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Oh, you mean, uh,

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Just damn it.

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Damn it.

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Damn it.

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Damn it.

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Damn it.

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Damn it.

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Damn it.

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Damn it.

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Damn it.

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Damn it.

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Damn it.

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Damn it.

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Damn it.

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Damn it.

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Damn it.

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Damn it.

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Oh, that really sucked because
just when you're about to hear,

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if that, if you could sample it
down to MP3 and if you all had
to use the same

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encoder, then they've kind of
forgot to give us information.

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Um, so I'm presuming that that
went right, but I'd like to have
some specs on it.

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So I'll hunt around, but I'm
sure the guys are hearing this.

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And let's, let's get some specs
out there.

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Particularly, how do you do it
on Windows?

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You know, if, if you, how can I
set Dave, whiner up so that he
can record,

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um, through audacity or whatever
he's using.

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Also, you send the mic to Skype,
you know, so we don't have to
make, uh,

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uh, an expensive phone call to
talk to each other.

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And do we both, uh, encoded
with, you know, as long as we
encoded 64,

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uh, kilobits per second, um, the
stereo or mono.

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As long as we had the same, same
sandwich, we'll that work,

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or do we have to have the same
software to do it.

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Um, looking forward to some
answers there because the
quality is great.

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I guess someone may be Matthew
Bischoff had, uh, had a speaker
to close to him

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to a mic because there was some
echoing going on there.

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But it, in general, that really
sounded good.

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And, uh, I wanted to sound that
way too.

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A while back, we got, um, future
tents from, uh,

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uh, Minnesota, Minneapolis
Public Radio,

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you know, Minneapolis, I think
it's, meaning Minnesota.

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Well, one of the other, MPR, the
M stands from Minnesota or

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Minneapolis Public, I think it's
Minnesota Public Radio.

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Um, their podcasting now with
the show, whoops.

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What happened there?

15:53.000 --> 15:55.000
That just sounded really weird.

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Did I, uh, hello?

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Did we all have a sudden show up
on the internal speaker?

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What's this? This is weird.

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Hello, hello, hello, hello,
hello.

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Hold on a second.

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We find out what happened there.

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Don't go away, everybody.

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Hello?

16:12.000 --> 16:14.000
Okay. Well, that was totally
weird.

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All of a sudden, it just jumped
off of the line input

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into, uh, into the internal,
internal microphone.

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By the way, I've got this
beautiful, beautiful piece of
hardware

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that I bought, I had to get a
new battery.

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Um, and I got there 15 minutes.

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Well, see now I'm doing it
again.

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What the hell is that? That's
really weird.

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Hold on, I'm gonna try that.

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Okay, so something is triggering
it.

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Okay, so hopefully it'll be okay
at least I can get through my
story here.

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Um, um, I was at the max store
to pick up a battery for my
power book

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and had this beautiful M audio
breakout box

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for inputs, 10 outputs, fire
wire driven.

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It's got knobs on the front, two
headphone jacks on the front

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and two mic inputs on the front.

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Um, you got software to control.

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The hardware hardware to control
the software.

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Once we're in England and we're
settled,

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I'm gonna, you know, figure this
thing out

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and I think this is gonna be
beautiful.

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It looks like a great piece of
hardware.

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Pretty affordable to only about
150 bucks.

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So anyway, back to, uh, future
tens.

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Um,

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story that popped up that I've
seen around the blogosphere as
well

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as about this new streaming
media service from Grokster.

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Basically, a company that does,
I guess it's kind of like the
peer cast

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if you recall that.

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Um, although somewhat different.

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Instead of you downloading files
from, you know,

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peers out there that are on the
Grokster network,

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I guess what they've done is
they've,

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they've kind of tricked it out
to say,

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well, you know, you're not
really gonna download,

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you know, the stream it.

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So you'll just have the kind of
like,

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if you click the MP3 on it,

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she there goes again.

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That's totally weird that this
is doing that.

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Um, it's, so it's very much,

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uh, analogous to, um, you know,

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if you click on a quick time or
an MP3

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and it comes streaming into your
browser,

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it'll start playing as it's
downloading.

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But you'll eventually you'll
download it.

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So what they're trying to do now
is they're trying to

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circumvent the law by saying,

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oh, it's streaming.

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It's not download.

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Therefore, it's legal.

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I think this is a very dangerous
proposition, uh,

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but, you know, Grokster of
course is in so much hot water.

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I'll let you hear a bit of this
and I'll stop it

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a couple of appropriate points
because it's pretty interesting.

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And I think actually for
podcasting,

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this is very, very good news.

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So here's a bit from future
times.

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A way to share music on the
internet

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that's apparently legal.

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This is future tense from
American public media.

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I'm John Gordon.

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Peer to peer company Grokster
has been one of the main targets

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of the recording industry's
legal campaign to crush
downloading.

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But now Grokster is teeming up
with a silicon valley startup

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to offer a music streaming
service in which users can
listen to

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but not download and save music.

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Grokster will promote a
co-branded service with Mercora.

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Users can search for and listen
to music that's located

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on the computers of other users
on the system.

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Because no downloading is
involved, Grokster and Mercora

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executives believe it is
entirely legal.

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Sreevots Sampot is CEO,
president and co-founder of
Mercora.

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If you looked at the radio for
the past 75 years,

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radio was the ultimate discovery
medium for new music.

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And over the last 20 or so odd
years,

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you know, radio's been on the
decline as far as

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bringing new music to people's
years.

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And that's a reason a lot of
people will go on a peer-to-peer

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discovering new music playing
with it and then going

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by the CD or getting the digital
download.

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Now unfortunately, the act of
downloading is illegal.

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So we said, look, why don't we
figure out a way by which?

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I just got to stop it for one
second.

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What do you mean the act of
downloading is illegal?

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I hate it when people make
statements like that.

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The act of downloading is not
illegal.

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The act of downloading and
distributing copyrighted
material,

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perhaps as illegal.

20:10.000 --> 20:17.000
But this guy, he sounds like an
IPO statement.

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Listen to some more.

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Like that you get into the peer.

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But instead of downloading, you
provide it as a string.

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And streaming is illegal under
copyright law.

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I don't know.

20:30.000 --> 20:31.000
Shoot.

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I hope we got some lawyers out
there who can tell me if this
guy is right or not.

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That doesn't sound right to me.

20:36.000 --> 20:39.000
So what we did was we fired with
the copyright office

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and said, look, we're building a
radio network

20:41.000 --> 20:45.000
where every user on the network
will be a channel on our system.

20:45.000 --> 20:47.000
I like that.

20:47.000 --> 20:48.000
That's good.

20:48.000 --> 20:49.000
We can steal that line.

20:49.000 --> 20:50.000
That's cool.

20:50.000 --> 20:51.000
So let's listen to that.

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What do you say?

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We're building a radio network
where every note on the system

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is a channel.

20:56.000 --> 20:57.000
I like that.

20:58.000 --> 21:00.000
We learned steal that.

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That's a good lesson.

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The word we did was we fired
with the copyright office

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and said, look, we're building a
radio network

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where every user on the network
will be a channel on our system.

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Beautiful.

21:11.000 --> 21:13.000
And they will broadcast their
collection

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onto the network,

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compliant with copyright law.

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And your company is paying a fee
to who?

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To this song writers

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and to the people who own the
music.

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So we, every month, we write a
check

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to ask app, BMI and CSAC.

21:31.000 --> 21:33.000
And we write a check to sound
exchange.

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Remember there are two
copyrights in a song.

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The underlying works, which is
the lyrics.

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And then the sound.

21:40.000 --> 21:43.000
And what copyright law or the
DMCA

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allows people to do his webcasts

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without having to go get
individual permission

21:48.000 --> 21:51.000
from each and every one of the
recording artists?

21:51.000 --> 21:54.000
One thing that raises eyebrows

21:54.000 --> 21:57.000
is your new association with
Grokster.

21:57.000 --> 21:59.000
Okay, so then you should listen
to this,

21:59.000 --> 22:00.000
this show and subscribe to it

22:00.000 --> 22:02.000
from theipotter.org directory

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because they go into a little
more depth about that.

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But I think this is really good.

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First of all, these guys are
recognizing

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that the radio has yet to be
challenged

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in any arena of new media,

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except for satellite radio.

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So that's really good.

22:17.000 --> 22:19.000
And they're recognizing that.

22:19.000 --> 22:22.000
The big mistake they're making

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is that radio is an untethered
medium.

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Radio is not something that you
do in front of your computer.

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So they're mixing the metaphors

22:30.000 --> 22:32.000
and people want to share files.

22:32.000 --> 22:34.000
They want to have a file and
download

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and have it on their machine.

22:35.000 --> 22:37.000
They don't mind if they share it
with other people.

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Another thing he said is,

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radio for 75 years has been the
way

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to sample new music.

22:42.000 --> 22:44.000
Yeah, but it sounds like he just
wants

22:44.000 --> 22:46.000
to sit on the man's dick

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and get some more of his music.

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That's an expression, I'm sorry.

22:52.000 --> 22:55.000
He just wants to be a part of
the man's system

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with podcasting.

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And we route around that.

22:57.000 --> 22:59.000
You know, we're looking at
Brad's sucks.

22:59.000 --> 23:01.000
We're looking at people who
don't have a record deal

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in the traditional sense.

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But who will make money
eventually

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when they become known?

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And it will come through gigs
and tours

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and then eventually we'll find
new and smart ways

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to package new music and get it
sold

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and people to make money.

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I'm very confident of that.

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Because we all want to.

23:15.000 --> 23:18.000
I don't think anyone who's in
podcasting

23:18.000 --> 23:20.000
now is saying, oh, let me go rip
off some artists.

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You know, it's really, really,
really ashamed

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that I can't share memories with
you

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or vice versa by playing songs
that we all know.

23:28.000 --> 23:30.000
But, okay, so we're stuck in
that loop for a while.

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You know, let that process run
down below

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and, you know, we'll see if we
can break out

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of that adventure.

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And the meantime, we've got a
lot of building

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to do on our own stuff.

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So, and I think that this, this
grokster thing

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is probably going to get a lot
of attention.

23:45.000 --> 23:47.000
It's going to get a lot of legal
attention

23:47.000 --> 23:49.000
because it's clear that not
saying, oh,

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this is really want this.

23:50.000 --> 23:52.000
Users really want to stream
audio.

23:52.000 --> 23:53.000
No.

23:53.000 --> 23:56.000
They're saying, this is a way
around the legal problem

23:56.000 --> 23:58.000
that the grokster has been
having

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and that Napster basically put
Napster to bed

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or, you know, got a lot of
people in a lot of trouble

24:03.000 --> 24:05.000
and cost a lot of people a lot
of money

24:05.000 --> 24:07.000
because a lot of record
companies will not a lot.

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A small amount of big record
companies

24:09.000 --> 24:11.000
were suing a lot of people and
still do.

24:11.000 --> 24:14.000
So, I think that'll distract
from what we're doing

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as long as we try and keep it
clean

24:16.000 --> 24:18.000
trying to stay away from the RIA
stuff.

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We're pretty good.

24:21.000 --> 24:23.000
And let them take care of some
heat for a while.

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And then once we're ready to
rise up to the top

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and really get in people's faces
with

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something that's even easier as
it already is

24:30.000 --> 24:32.000
in today's iPod or World War.

24:32.000 --> 24:35.000
And then we're going to blow the
lid off this fucker.

24:35.000 --> 24:39.000
I was attended by a comment on
my weblog

24:39.000 --> 24:43.000
that NPR is doing a series
about, actually,

24:43.000 --> 24:45.000
this series is titled Europe,

24:45.000 --> 24:47.000
New Front Line.

24:47.000 --> 24:50.000
And they start off the series
with the Netherlands.

24:50.000 --> 24:53.000
I've been keeping up the speed
on some of what's been going on
here.

24:53.000 --> 24:56.000
And it's an excellent,
excellent, short feature.

24:56.000 --> 25:00.000
Everything that I heard and it
sounded true from my experience

25:00.000 --> 25:02.000
as what I witnessed happening
here

25:02.000 --> 25:06.000
with the recent murder of Teo
Fancroch

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and two years ago, Pinfortan.

25:09.000 --> 25:12.000
And a general feeling of what's
happening in the Netherlands.

25:12.000 --> 25:14.000
And you should pay attention to
this

25:14.000 --> 25:16.000
because there is a lot going on
in Europe right now.

25:16.000 --> 25:18.000
So I'm going to play a bit of
this

25:18.000 --> 25:20.000
with the, you know, I've got
some on the street interviews

25:20.000 --> 25:23.000
of just some stuff that I think
is worthy listening to.

25:23.000 --> 25:25.000
So again, this is from NPR.

25:25.000 --> 25:28.000
I've put a comment to it in the
production notes

25:28.000 --> 25:30.000
because it's not a podcast, but
it isn't.

25:30.000 --> 25:32.000
Actually, it's a stream.

25:32.000 --> 25:33.000
I recorded the idea.

25:33.000 --> 25:35.000
I ripped the stream and made it
into MP3

25:35.000 --> 25:37.000
so I could play it on the show.

25:37.000 --> 25:38.000
So I'll put that link in.

25:38.000 --> 25:39.000
Listen just a bit now.

25:39.000 --> 25:40.000
NPR again.

25:40.000 --> 25:42.000
Europe, Islam's New Front Line.

25:42.000 --> 25:43.000
This is about the Netherlands.

25:43.000 --> 25:46.000
This is all things considered
from NPR News.

25:46.000 --> 25:47.000
I'm aless of luck.

25:47.000 --> 25:48.000
And I'm Robert Siegel.

25:48.000 --> 25:53.000
Europe is emerging as an arena
in the struggle to define Islam.

25:53.000 --> 25:58.000
With large and growing Muslim
populations, France, Germany,
Britain, Italy and the
Netherlands

25:58.000 --> 26:00.000
have been caught up in the
debate.

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Today we begin a series of
reports from those countries

26:03.000 --> 26:05.000
and we start in the Netherlands.

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With a murder of a filmmaker
this month

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revealed a deep mistrust between
Muslims and traditional Dutch
society.

26:11.000 --> 26:14.000
NPR Sylvia Pajoli reports from
Amsterdam.

26:14.000 --> 26:17.000
Hours after filmmaker Theo Van
Gogh was killed

26:17.000 --> 26:20.000
thousands of people gathered to
mourn and protest.

26:20.000 --> 26:30.000
The murder has traumatized a
society that long-pited itself
on its liberalism,

26:30.000 --> 26:33.000
raising questions about the
limits of tolerance,

26:33.000 --> 26:40.000
and its widened
misunderstandings between ethnic
Dutch and Muslims over cultural
values and social norms.

26:40.000 --> 26:44.000
In the last two weeks, nearly a
dozen mosques and churches have
been attacked

26:44.000 --> 26:47.000
in a wave of religiously
motivated reprisals.

26:47.000 --> 26:51.000
Van Gogh was repeatedly shot and
stabbed by Mohammed Bouyadi,

26:51.000 --> 26:55.000
a 26-year-old Dutch Moroccan who
slit his victims throat

26:55.000 --> 26:58.000
and left a note stabbed into the
body,

26:58.000 --> 27:02.000
warning that enemies of Islam
should fear for their lives.

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Now let me tell you something.

27:03.000 --> 27:05.000
That is some fucked up shit.

27:05.000 --> 27:08.000
And what's interesting is that
through all throughout the Dutch
media

27:08.000 --> 27:11.000
and this will tell you a little
bit about Dutch media,

27:11.000 --> 27:17.000
they have not identified the
assailant, the murderer, who
they caught.

27:17.000 --> 27:18.000
They caught the guy.

27:18.000 --> 27:23.000
He shot a cop off his
motorcycle, shot another cop in
his leg.

27:23.000 --> 27:26.000
He shot a bystander.

27:26.000 --> 27:29.000
It was an automatic weapon, so
it's just spraying bullets.

27:29.000 --> 27:32.000
He literally did slit Theo's
throat

27:32.000 --> 27:35.000
and then pinned a note to his
chest with another knife.

27:35.000 --> 27:40.000
It was absolutely the think of
the horror of all this.

27:40.000 --> 27:45.000
Hold on, I just lost my train of
thought there for a second.

27:45.000 --> 27:49.000
Anyway, you need to listen to
this show.

27:49.000 --> 27:54.000
Let me just back it up and see
what was the piece that I wanted
to say.

27:54.000 --> 27:55.000
It's messed up.

27:55.000 --> 27:58.000
That's why it's just totally
messed up.

27:58.000 --> 28:02.000
And keep your eye on Europe
because,

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that's what I was going to say.

28:05.000 --> 28:11.000
I'm sorry, it just had some
images of what just happened.

28:11.000 --> 28:15.000
The assailant, the murderer, has
not been identified

28:15.000 --> 28:18.000
by his full last name in any
media.

28:18.000 --> 28:20.000
They call him Muhammad B.

28:20.000 --> 28:23.000
That's what they do with
criminals here in the
Netherlands.

28:23.000 --> 28:28.000
Until they are proven guilty,
they do not identify them.

28:29.000 --> 28:32.000
It's kind of wacky the way they
do that.

28:32.000 --> 28:37.000
And what's even more fucked up
about it is that you take a
focus

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from the grave.

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He's the guy that killed him for
ten two years ago.

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Now, he was not a Muslim.

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He was a radical greenie, I
guess.

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It doesn't matter.

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But they consistently call him,
he also got caught immediately.

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They call him focus from the
fae,

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folk or vendor G.

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So abbreviating his last name,

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just with the first letter.

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And now, of course, when people
talk about him,

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they still talk about him as a
focus from the fae

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and don't use his full last
name.

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Which means, basically, the guy
never goes down in history.

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Truly is being identified for
the horrible crime that he
committed.

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And now, this is happening
again.

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But you hear MPR.

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And I couldn't even catch the
name.

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It was, I just couldn't hear the
name.

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By the way, the guy was, check
this out.

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His dad is American.

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His mom is Dutch.

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And he's 26 years old.

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And he just got into total
radical Islam.

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There's radical stuff.

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There's certain things you can't
say about Islam

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because then they feel that they
have the right to kill you.

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The royal they and the royal we.

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So listen to that, okay?

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And listen to the rest of that
story,

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because it's going to tell you a
lot about what's happening in
the world.

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And Europe is not that far away.

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Oh, okay.

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So of all the podcasts.

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And I have, you know, I have
what I call the pod squad.

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And I'm going to put that list
up again.

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Basically, it's my subscription
list.

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iPod Rex outputs an OPML file.

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And I've talked about that
enough, so you know what it is.

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But essentially, it's just an
outline.

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And this outline has all of my
subscriptions.

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And I can share that.

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And then, well, the concept of
these.

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These OPML files that you can
then drag that into your iPod

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and you would be subscribed to
all of the shows that I
subscribe to.

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And conversely, if you drag it
out,

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you should be able to
unsubscribe from all of those
shows.

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So I could give you a reading
list.

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You know, a pod squad list.

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Or maybe there's something
special going on.

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There's a special show that's
taking place.

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And I want to give you a file
of, you know,

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the podcast that will be
podcasting from this particular
event.

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And then you could subscribe to
that when you're done.

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You just drag it out and you
unsubscribe.

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So there's a lot to be said for
that.

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And I'm going to add this next
podcast to my pod squad list.

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Because there's nothing.

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Nothing that could have made me
happier.

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I mean, really almost nothing in
the podcast arena.

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Then for a couple of guys to put
together

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the UK Aviation Roundup.

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And you boys in aircraft carrier
right here.

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Because this is the Aviation
Roundup.

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And we're sitting here looking
at the Gazil magazine for,

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issued in September.

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This is three of 2004.

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And there's a couple of stories
in here that have taken a fancy,

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the first one, which is probably
the idiot of the day,

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is a story about somebody who
banged into a fence post

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and decided to fly home anyway.

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It had what happened without
one.

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Yeah, interesting story.

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Gentlemen has taken off in a
pipe or I believe,

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flown to neighboring airfield.

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Landed was taxing back to
probably the holding area.

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And smashed into a fence post.

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Continued back to wherever he
was instructed to park.

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It got out,

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inspected the damage.

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Quite obvious visual damage.

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In fact.

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What have we done?

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Some damage.

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Some 10 centimeters.

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Right near the leading edge of
the wing tip.

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Had consulted with two other
people at the airfield.

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One of which I believe was an X
flying aircraft engineer.

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And was instructed, you know,

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told basically, do not fly that
aircraft anywhere.

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In fact, they were even given an
explanation as to some other
aircraft

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that had struck a bail and had
disintegrated in flight.

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And for some reason, the pilot
decided that he would fly back

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to his home airfield.

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Oh, not done.

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Not done at all.

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I love it.

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Listening to guys talking
British accents about things

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are not supposed to do an
aviation.

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This is a podcast that has me
written all over it.

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And that's just the first minute
and a half of this.

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This is a nice, what's the total
length of this?

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This is a nine minutes.

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And it's for pilots, man.

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It's great.

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And since I'm a pilot and since
I'm moving to the UK,

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I feel this is a podcast for me.

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Thank you very much, guys.

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I'm so happy.

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There's anything I can do.

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Just let me know.

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Gilmore gang was on over the
weekend.

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Of course, it came in on
Saturday through the iPod.

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You know, these guys always
record their show on Friday.

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You can find it, IT
Conversations.com.

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And you know, the Gilmore gang.

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It's Steve Gilmore.

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He's like my head cheerleader of
podcasting.

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And so, of course, he always
finagles every single,

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I don't care if some guy leaves
no vell.

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You know that eventually the
show is going to get around a
podcasting.

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And I pulled two clips from the
show.

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And I've actually recorded these
with audio hijack pros.

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So I don't have to go searching
through the original files

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on my own new MP3s.

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This is the first one.

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And Doxero says something really
interesting that my ears

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have tricked up when I heard it
and talk about this.

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Yeah, I have to be produced.

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And production takes time.

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And you have to do show prep.

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You have to do your life like we
do.

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Yeah.

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Well, if it's just an interview
like this,

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if it's talk, that's one thing.

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But one of the things that I
really love about the best
podcast out there

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started with atoms with energy.

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And gadgets.

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Some extent days as well.

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Dave's flushers.

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There's Dave Wonder and then
Dave's flusher also.

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You know, you take snippets with
what other people say.

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And you have to get a
conversation going.

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You take, you produce it.

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You take, you have these clips.

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And you respond to what people
say.

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I would love.

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And I've gone for walks with a
podcast.

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I wish that I had a, you know,

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that I pot equivalent and, and
Apple's probably not going to
make one.

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So somebody else wants to do
this.

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Just enough.

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Well, I can just create the
clips on the iPod.

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And then put them in my own
podcast later and go through
them and respond

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in a conversational way to one
other people said.

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The technology is quite there
for doing that easily.

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You can certainly do it.

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You can't keep me out of it in
the long run.

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But I have to, I have to make it
work with work.

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I think first and figuring out
how to do that.

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And when I, is, is an open
question.

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I'm guessing it'll happen before
Christmas.

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But what is actually?

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Just in time for Christmas.

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So we can market that shit.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So what Docs are also saying is
there's room for a better iPod.

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That's what he's saying.

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And shit.

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Yeah.

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There's room for a better iPod.

35:21.000 --> 35:22.000
Man, I'm getting very
frustrated.

35:22.000 --> 35:24.000
And the more people I talk to,
who are just,

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just want to receive podcasts.

35:25.000 --> 35:27.000
You know, the same stuff comes
back.

35:27.000 --> 35:30.000
It's the bookmarking of MP3s,
which no players,

35:30.000 --> 35:31.000
as far as I know, does.

35:31.000 --> 35:35.000
It's about just being able to
put stuff on there and find it
easily.

35:35.000 --> 35:37.000
When you take your, your stuff
mobile,

35:37.000 --> 35:39.000
not having to set up smart
playlists.

35:39.000 --> 35:41.000
Those are great too, you know,

35:41.000 --> 35:43.000
but you should be, this, the
interface on this thing

35:43.000 --> 35:44.000
should let you do some things.

35:44.000 --> 35:48.000
And, oh, gee, why can't we use
our iPods to record a podcast?

35:48.000 --> 35:53.000
So Linux junkies out there,
hardware junkies out there.

35:53.000 --> 35:55.000
What can we do, boys and girls?

35:55.000 --> 35:57.000
There's got to be something we
can put together because

35:57.000 --> 35:59.000
when people like Doc Serals are,

35:59.000 --> 36:01.000
are screaming for a device that
just isn't there.

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And Apple is on, on its fourth
iteration.

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You got to, you know, stop and
give pause for a second.

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I see that I skipped over two
things I want to talk about.

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I'll get back to that.

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Let me then just follow up with
one more bit,

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from the Gilmore guy.

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I make a money doing what he's
doing.

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He's making money doing
something else.

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He's about making money.

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He's about making money.

36:21.000 --> 36:22.000
He's no problem with that.

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I don't think it's something
that we can get me back to.

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Well, how do you make money
blogging?

36:26.000 --> 36:30.000
And it's not, it's really good
to do something else.

36:30.000 --> 36:34.000
You know, why, even, why burden,
why burden blogging

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or podcast or anything with
doing, having a revenue model in
itself?

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I, you know, I have a, I think
that only goes so far.

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I mean, as far as I'm concerned,

36:44.000 --> 36:48.000
it's neither of, it's, it's ball
all of the above.

36:48.000 --> 36:50.000
You know, there are going to be
people who are going to make
money

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doing this stuff.

36:52.000 --> 36:54.000
They're going to be people who,

36:54.000 --> 36:58.000
make money because this stuff is
overturning the previous

36:58.000 --> 37:02.000
incarnation and will effectively
become, you know,

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the new boss, same as the old
boss.

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That's what's happening.

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You know, there's, there's an
emergent,

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you know, network going on here,

37:11.000 --> 37:16.000
and it will be where every note
on the grid is a new channel.

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We're in a few years and we'll
be all talking about this

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to you, man.

37:20.000 --> 37:21.000
Why don't we do an experiment?

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Why don't we use our own little
podcast here,

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the Gilmour Gang as a, you know,

37:27.000 --> 37:31.000
example and go to the audience
and say,

37:31.000 --> 37:35.000
hey, how would you make a
business model out of the show?

37:35.000 --> 37:37.000
That is to say, what would you
be willing to pay for?

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And how would you be willing to
pay for it?

37:39.000 --> 37:41.000
Okay, hold on, hold on.

37:41.000 --> 37:43.000
I would be willing to pay for
the Gilmour Gang

37:43.000 --> 37:46.000
if you all did it in your
underwear.

37:46.000 --> 37:48.000
But in terms of getting content
like this,

37:48.000 --> 37:50.000
if you think it's valuable.

37:50.000 --> 37:54.000
I mean, if you're willing to pay
for it, that's fine.

37:54.000 --> 37:56.000
I'm not going to go to the
audience and ask them

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how we're going to make money on
this.

37:58.000 --> 38:00.000
I'm going to keep that as a
closely held secret.

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Well, I mean, we're going to
make money.

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Yeah, yeah, there it is.

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Speaking of making money.

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You're going to my day job.

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I think Dickham steves,

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his great quote, I think it's in
this,

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and this put like a poll.

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It's just a rapidly becoming the
day job.

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And I'm just, I've been waiting
for 30 years for this.

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Oh, I've been waiting for 30
years for this.

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Damn.

38:28.000 --> 38:30.000
That's deep, dude.

38:30.000 --> 38:32.000
That's heavy shit.

38:32.000 --> 38:34.000
Okay, how do we make money with
all this stuff?

38:34.000 --> 38:36.000
People are talking about it.

38:36.000 --> 38:38.000
By the way, I want to correct
myself.

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I was talking about the religion
node

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in the ipodder.org directory.

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And I talked about the
godcasters.

38:44.000 --> 38:46.000
That actually is a godcast.org.

38:46.000 --> 38:48.000
I found.

38:48.000 --> 38:52.000
And I added two more religious
shows, two more podcasts.

38:52.000 --> 38:54.000
And at the time when I was
talking about it,

38:54.000 --> 38:56.000
I said, you know, I'm happy when
the religious guys show up.

38:56.000 --> 38:58.000
The religious broadcasters.

38:58.000 --> 38:59.000
Because there's one thing.

38:59.000 --> 39:01.000
Those guys know how to do is how
to make money.

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And I got quite a lot of very
nice emails

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saying, oh, you know, really
sorry.

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You took that, that stands
because

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we're not about money.

39:10.000 --> 39:12.000
We're about spreading the gospel
spreading the word

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or sharing sermons.

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And that was insensitive of me.

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And I apologize.

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And actually, this is a couple
of these.

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And they're good.

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You know, I like that.

39:22.000 --> 39:24.000
You have to know that perhaps
one of

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my biggest fantasies is one day

39:26.000 --> 39:29.000
to be a pod evangelist.

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Could I be a pod evangelist?

39:30.000 --> 39:31.000
I guess so.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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Pot.

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which I check reasonably
frequently, and I heard Colin
from the BBC on the

40:11.360 --> 40:17.280
my voice mail, and he sounded,
he sounded, well it was hard to
tell, he's from

40:17.280 --> 40:20.840
Edinburgh, right? And he didn't
sound really happy, he said, you
know, because you

40:20.840 --> 40:25.080
call me immediately, I'm like,
oh man, and what I'm figuring
is, I'm in

40:25.080 --> 40:28.640
some shit now because we got the
podcast up and we, you know, we
did this whole

40:28.640 --> 40:34.280
thing of, you know, kind of
playing for them, or playing the
BBC, as they were

40:34.280 --> 40:37.280
kind of directing the podcast,
and just kind of showing the two
different

40:37.280 --> 40:43.640
worlds between Big Media and
podcast media, or web logging,
whatever. So I, you

40:43.640 --> 40:46.320
know, I was like, oh, I'll call
him back in like half an hour, I
got some other

40:46.320 --> 40:51.960
calls to make, I just wanted to
do with it at that very moment.
And so he left a

40:51.960 --> 40:55.640
comment on my weblog with his
phone number, and then finally
he, he, he, he reached

40:55.640 --> 41:00.440
me, you're not going to believe
this. It turns out that of that
six or seven hours

41:00.440 --> 41:05.720
shoot that we did in and around
the castle, flying helicopters,
doing podcasts,

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the entire, all the tapes have
dropouts on them, and it's
unclear exactly what

41:11.520 --> 41:15.200
happened. What Colin says, they
probably went through the
airport X-ray scanner,

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which I don't think in her at
these tapes, it's not something
that I do, you know,

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if I take broadcast tapes, I
have them hand checked and pass
them around the

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machine, never put them through.
So apparently there's a dropout,
every other

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couple of seconds or so, which
sounds about right if it were
X-ray or something

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damaged or some magnetic damage.
And so all these hours, they
sent two people

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over, they had a three-man crew,
I mean, I cost a lot of money
and everything is

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shit and it's gone and it's
useless. So you feel it coming,
they want to know

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if I can do it again. And I had
a talk with Dave about that,
because I really

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want to, I want to promote
podcasting. That's clear. Be I
wouldn't mind being on BBC

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just around the time we move in.
So maybe someone will see that
and I can use some

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of that celebrity star power to
get stuff done like get
Christine into the

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right school for the years over.
But on the other hand, you know,
it's like, God

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that's just so totally fucking
blows and they would now they
want to do it Friday,

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so it would be just kind of like
half moved in, we'll have a
camera crew in the

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house, but Trisha's just going
to kill me, I haven't even told
her that they

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want to do it on Friday. And I'm
not sure it's actually going to
happen, but it

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looks like it will happen. What?
What are you laughing about?

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This one person's supposed to be
a book, and then the screen of
the game was full

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of him, so I was saying, oh,
it's not round to see, but we're
just like, say, will

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the end of this game jump? Okay.
Clearly, you had to be in the
MSN

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chat to get it, right? Anyway,
so I'll keep you posted on that,
but that's

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totally freaking bite. What are
we at? We're at 43 minutes
shoot. I have a

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couple more things I just want
to get to. Let me see, have a
email here about

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iPod or ear. This is from Bob,
and I post this along with the,
with the

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production notes, he's pointing
me to goodcanns.com, with
there's some good

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portable, portable headphone
reviews, the cost port of pro.
Actually, what I've

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been using right now, which I
picked up the other day at the
Mac store is the

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Mac alley, MAC, A L L Y. Noise
reduction headsets, costs about
40 bucks,

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absolutely perfect. They fit
snugly over the ears. Now, of
course, I have another

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problem, so now the inside of
the ears aren't hurting, because
I'm not wearing

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the ear buds, but I haven't
earing in my left ear, and now
these headphones

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are so tight that the post from
the earring is not sticking into
my head.

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Ladies, please, can you give a
podcast or some tips about what
to do about posts

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that are too long on my earring?
Because it's hurting. All right,
I want to

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have time for one more bit of a
podcast. I got an email, you
know, love this.

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This actually started a whole
new category in the iPod or org
directory.

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Yo Hanfar Roy and says, you
know, enjoying everything, and
he says he taught English

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and Spain for seven years and
learned Spanish in the process,
and what he wants to

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do is he wants to create an
unconventional audio-based
Spanish course.

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And so I was like, well, that
sounds interesting, but what
exactly does that mean?

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What is unconventional, yeah,
what's the unconventional way to
learn a different

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foreign language? So he sent me
the first podcast, which I'm
trying to fire up now,

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who wants to second-wise.
There's not, here comes notes
opening.

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You'll find out how
unconventional it is as we get
into it, and you can subscribe
to this.

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It's now in the iPod.org
directory, so you can actually
learn a foreign language in an

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unconventional way during your
daily commute. Let's listen to
how to really learn Spanish.

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Hi, this is Yo Hanfar Roy and
welcoming you to the first
installment of How To Really
Learn Spanish.

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This series of podcasts is aimed
at helping you in your own
efforts to learn Spanish.

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I spent seven years living in
Spain where I taught English as
my day job.

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As you can imagine, that was a
wonderful opportunity for me to
learn Spanish,

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and it really helped me to
pinpoint the differences between
the two languages.

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I'm assuming you're already
learning Spanish, whether you're
at a beginner,

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intermediate, or advanced stage,
and I'm here to help you with
your doubts,

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stay in the right direction, and
explain aspects of the language
to you in ways which you're

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unlikely to find in books or
other conventional sources. Dig
that. At that time, I'm going to

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keep each podcast short about 10
minutes. Today we're going to
look at a specific issue in
Spanish

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pronunciation, and then move on
to a couple of techniques to
help you with your learning in
general.

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Okay, so just about this time or
you're about ready to go,

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you know, I really don't care
about the freaking technique.
Now check out what my man is
doing.

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And one mainly aims at tuning
your ear and helping you with
your pronunciation,

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and the other primarily aimed at
vastly increasing your
vocabulary.

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Finally, we're going to look at
one little item aimed
specifically at beginners.

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But before either of these,
let's now look at the importance
of pronunciation.

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Dave Slasher, one of the
original podcasters, talked
about his love of Spanish and
mixed

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and culture the other day. Dave
is clearly not a beginner, but
he's still wants to improve his

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pronunciation. Let's listen to
Dave. Even when I'm doing book
learning on the Spanish,

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it's good to have something to
help me with my crappy
pronunciation and my, you know,

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crappy Gringo accent. So I have
said before how in science
fiction fandom of which I've
been,

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you know, a proud member for 20
years, there's this like
nipano-philic thing where people
love

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Japanese culture and they love
anime and they love all that
stuff and I've never really
bought

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into that and I've always had
much more love for Mexican and
Latin American culture.

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And I don't know why I didn't
get off the stick and try to
start learning Spanish 20 years
ago

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because I've had this kind of
interest and I saw this really
cool

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interview with Mark Freyne
Felder with Jaime Hernandez of
Love and Rockets and I thought
that

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interview was awesome and it was
really cool to read because the
Hernandez brothers probably are
part

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of what helped birth the fact
that I have this love for
Mexican and Latin culture.

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Definitely don't want you
brought the master next to us.
Okay, that went out on the 26th
of October

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and if you want to listen to the
rest of that or any of Dave's
other podcasts,

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you can check them out at
www.hevilgeniuschronicles.org.
Listen to how Dave pronounces
Lucha Libre.

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Lucha Libre is spelled
L-I-B-R-E. Lucha Libre. The E at
the end of the word

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can not be pronounced A because
it is not a sound that exists in
Spanish.

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A Spanish E is always pronounced
A. This is where the really
great things about Spanish.

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And so you get the point. This
is a guy who's going to help
teach us Spanish but is doing it

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right on top right on a care
Christina but is doing it with
the class. He's using us as
examples

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and that's a real teacher. This
really has me excited and I am
subscribed to this podcast

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shipment before you know it. I
might be Ablo some Espanolos
right on and we're going to
leave it at

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that for today's source code if
you don't mind. Come on to you
from the castle.

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A good 15 minutes worth of show
and lots of podcasts tomorrow. I
promise I'll have some music in
the

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show and we'll have our final
curry castle podcast so hope
you'll join us here for the

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Wednesday edition live from
Flanders, Belgium. As always,
comments and your audio comments
are

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quite welcome Adam at curry.com
or leave it on the weblog.
Live.curry.com and the latest
source

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code on the archives and the
production notes are available
at dailysourcecode.com. See you
tomorrow

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everybody. Bye bye.