WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:12.880 Well, everybody, welcome to the thank god and spread edition of the daily source code. 00:12.880 --> 00:18.000 My name is Adam Curry coming to you partially from the cottage in the UK from Curry Cottage 00:18.000 --> 00:24.000 and we're about to go to a new location, actually studio A8. 00:24.000 --> 00:30.000 So here's the deal. 00:30.000 --> 00:37.000 I was scheduled to be interview today for Wired Magazine, which I presume was all about podcasting. 00:37.000 --> 00:46.000 Anly knew it, came to Guildford and she actually turned out that they're doing a whole big piece on radio for Wired Magazine 00:46.000 --> 00:51.000 and that they're actually featuring me and part of that is podcast. 00:51.000 --> 00:57.000 That was all about podcasting, but turned out to be a semi-profile on me, so of course it took me much longer than expected. 00:57.000 --> 01:05.000 It took me hours to talk about myself, you know how that goes. 01:05.000 --> 01:13.000 So after about three hours of pushing room, hanging out at Starbucks and talking about my life, 01:13.000 --> 01:17.000 of course, eventually the question came, can I watch it do a podcast? 01:17.000 --> 01:22.000 I said no, no, you cannot watch me do a podcast, you can be in a podcast with me. 01:22.000 --> 01:30.000 And this is not the right place at Starbucks, at least because, you know, I have two headphones and really close micang because of all the noise. 01:30.000 --> 01:41.000 So I suggest that we then walk up to the parking spot where I have the Audi and we use the A8 studio to record a little show. 01:41.000 --> 01:50.000 And it turned into kind of me interviewing Annely and she interviewing me and what we talked about all kinds of stuff, like start fucking, and well you name it. 01:50.000 --> 01:54.000 In fact, you're going to enjoy it right now. Today is Friday, source code. 01:54.000 --> 01:55.000 Enjoy. 01:55.000 --> 02:05.000 Okay, so perfect point to slide into the beginning of the podcast from the A8 studio A8 in overlooking downtown Guildford. 02:05.000 --> 02:07.000 What does that mean studio A8? 02:07.000 --> 02:09.000 That means that I'm sitting in the car studio. 02:09.000 --> 02:12.000 I have a little bit too much reverb actually for the car studio. 02:12.000 --> 02:13.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on. 02:13.000 --> 02:15.000 I turned the reverb off. 02:15.000 --> 02:16.000 Ah, much better. 02:16.000 --> 02:19.000 Here with Annely. 02:19.000 --> 02:21.000 Do you want to be identified as... 02:21.000 --> 02:23.000 Sure, you can identify me however you want. 02:23.000 --> 02:27.000 As a journalist here today from Wired Magazine. 02:27.000 --> 02:28.000 Yes, that's right. 02:28.000 --> 02:29.000 Okay. 02:29.000 --> 02:32.000 And we've just sat in Starbucks for... 02:32.000 --> 02:34.000 I can't believe we sat there for about three hours. 02:34.000 --> 02:35.000 Yeah. 02:35.000 --> 02:38.000 And actually, we're not sticky or there's no problems. 02:38.000 --> 02:43.000 Well, when I got up, I did feel the chair, like kind of the covering lifted up with me as I stood up. 02:43.000 --> 02:44.000 Yeah. 02:44.000 --> 02:46.000 I noticed that girl who then said, okay, please sit there. 02:46.000 --> 02:48.000 Didn't she say that immediately? 02:48.000 --> 02:49.000 She did. 02:49.000 --> 02:50.000 She wanted our seat. 02:50.000 --> 02:51.000 Cause next to the outlet. 02:51.000 --> 02:52.000 Outlet. 02:52.000 --> 02:53.000 Yes, the power. 02:53.000 --> 02:54.000 Electronic power. 02:54.000 --> 02:56.000 So Annely came... 02:56.000 --> 02:59.000 Now, we've been in contact for about a week or so. 02:59.000 --> 03:01.000 And she asked if she could come and interview me. 03:01.000 --> 03:04.000 And I figured it was more about podcasting than anything, 03:04.000 --> 03:09.000 but now that we just spent three hours talking about me. 03:09.000 --> 03:10.000 Yeah, that's what I was telling you. 03:10.000 --> 03:11.000 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about himself. 03:11.000 --> 03:12.000 I'm good at that. 03:12.000 --> 03:13.000 Yeah, he's, yeah. 03:13.000 --> 03:14.000 You can tell. 03:14.000 --> 03:15.000 That's what the Saliliqui is all about. 03:15.000 --> 03:16.000 That's right. 03:16.000 --> 03:17.000 Yeah. 03:17.000 --> 03:20.000 He's a practice, a practice self storyteller. 03:20.000 --> 03:21.000 Story. 03:21.000 --> 03:22.000 No, no, no. 03:22.000 --> 03:24.000 You know, that's interesting because... 03:24.000 --> 03:27.000 Because that is what I've done my entire life. 03:27.000 --> 03:31.000 The minute you put on a pair of headphones and you have a microphone, 03:31.000 --> 03:33.000 you're kind of talking to yourself. 03:33.000 --> 03:38.000 And I've always imagined that there's probably one other person listening. 03:38.000 --> 03:41.000 Whether there were thousands, tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands, 03:41.000 --> 03:44.000 or perhaps millions where they were watching on TV. 03:44.000 --> 03:46.000 And it feels no different to this... 03:46.000 --> 03:49.000 The podcasting or being on MTV. 03:49.000 --> 03:52.000 In fact, on MTV was even easier. 03:52.000 --> 03:56.000 Do you know that actually that we all were kind of talking to the crew? 03:56.000 --> 03:59.000 They were standing right next to the goddamn camera. 03:59.000 --> 04:03.000 The guy, you know, the camera up would, you know, 04:03.000 --> 04:06.000 you could see and put his head around smiling or whatever. 04:06.000 --> 04:09.000 Or the associate producer who would be there, you know, 04:09.000 --> 04:12.000 trying to make sure that you're saying all the right things 04:12.000 --> 04:14.000 or hitting all the promotional items. 04:14.000 --> 04:16.000 And basically just be talking to them. 04:16.000 --> 04:19.000 And you feel good right when they laugh and stuff like that. 04:19.000 --> 04:20.000 Yes. 04:20.000 --> 04:21.000 I want the camera got a laugh. 04:21.000 --> 04:22.000 Exactly. 04:22.000 --> 04:23.000 How did you know that? 04:23.000 --> 04:25.000 Did you watch enough MTV to pick up on that? 04:26.000 --> 04:29.000 It's true. You can tell that it's playing right to the camera. 04:29.000 --> 04:30.000 Totally. 04:30.000 --> 04:32.000 And I see some of that now. 04:32.000 --> 04:36.000 Do you remember when E started up and E was kind of like 04:36.000 --> 04:39.000 MTV of entertainment before turning to what it is now? 04:39.000 --> 04:42.000 Because that was started by Lee Masters, 04:42.000 --> 04:46.000 who was kicked out of MTV by John Reardon, 04:46.000 --> 04:49.000 just some inside dirt there. 04:49.000 --> 04:52.000 And it was exactly the same thing. 04:52.000 --> 04:53.000 You're doing all this entertainment news, 04:53.000 --> 04:55.000 but basically laughing with the camera crew 04:55.000 --> 04:57.000 trying to, you know, get a rapport going. 04:57.000 --> 04:58.000 Yeah. 04:58.000 --> 05:00.000 And so we essentially had the same thing with podcasting. 05:00.000 --> 05:04.000 Only the feedback doesn't necessarily come from the camera crew. 05:04.000 --> 05:07.000 It comes from, you know, the podcasters themselves. 05:07.000 --> 05:08.000 And the e-mail listeners. 05:08.000 --> 05:09.000 Yeah. 05:09.000 --> 05:11.000 The e-mail, well, you just, we just went through 05:11.000 --> 05:15.000 some of my, my production that I, that I do for the show 05:15.000 --> 05:18.000 with basically scanning the e-mail downloading all the MP3s. 05:18.000 --> 05:20.000 And I haven't had a chance to listen to everything. 05:20.000 --> 05:24.000 So I might put some of those things on the next show. 05:24.000 --> 05:28.000 But I just wanted to figure out what exactly you're doing. 05:28.000 --> 05:30.000 Because you, I mean, you must, first of all, 05:30.000 --> 05:31.000 you had something else to do, right? 05:31.000 --> 05:33.000 It wasn't just, you didn't just come over all the way 05:33.000 --> 05:35.000 to, to Guilford just for me. 05:35.000 --> 05:37.000 But no, I was just in Guilford for you. 05:37.000 --> 05:38.000 I, I can go for it. 05:38.000 --> 05:40.000 But you went London for other things, right? 05:40.000 --> 05:41.000 There was other stuff you could do. 05:41.000 --> 05:43.000 I came all the way to London just for you Adam. 05:43.000 --> 05:44.000 Really? 05:44.000 --> 05:45.000 Yeah. 05:45.000 --> 05:46.000 And you're not shitting me, right? 05:46.000 --> 05:47.000 No, I'm totally not. 05:47.000 --> 05:49.000 Don't change it because we had a really good rapport 05:49.000 --> 05:50.000 because it's totally true. 05:50.000 --> 05:52.000 I flew all the way out to London. 05:52.000 --> 05:56.000 And it's like, I'm so paid for me to come out and talk to you. 05:56.000 --> 05:57.000 Who? 05:57.000 --> 05:58.000 Uncle Sy. 05:58.000 --> 05:59.000 Uncle Sy? 05:59.000 --> 06:01.000 Oh, he's the, is he the dude? 06:01.000 --> 06:02.000 He's the dude. 06:02.000 --> 06:03.000 And wired? 06:03.000 --> 06:04.000 Okay. 06:04.000 --> 06:05.000 So, he's not the founder of wired. 06:05.000 --> 06:06.000 No, no. 06:06.000 --> 06:07.000 He just owns it. 06:07.000 --> 06:08.000 He owns Condonast. 06:08.000 --> 06:09.000 Oh, okay. 06:09.000 --> 06:10.000 So he actually personally? 06:10.000 --> 06:13.000 No, he didn't personally call me and say, hey. 06:13.000 --> 06:14.000 Okay. 06:14.000 --> 06:15.000 Condonast. 06:15.000 --> 06:16.000 But that's Condonast is like big. 06:16.000 --> 06:18.000 They own, like, lots of languages. 06:18.000 --> 06:21.000 You can't even, I'm like a fly on his shoe. 06:21.000 --> 06:22.000 Like he has no idea. 06:22.000 --> 06:23.000 Don't put yourself down like that. 06:23.000 --> 06:24.000 No, I mean, on size shoe. 06:24.000 --> 06:27.000 I mean, I'm sure there's other people who care, who care more. 06:27.000 --> 06:28.000 Okay. 06:28.000 --> 06:29.000 So. 06:29.000 --> 06:30.000 And, you know, no offense side for listening. 06:30.000 --> 06:33.000 I mean, just to, just so I can understand this. 06:33.000 --> 06:37.000 So someone says, there's a, do you mind just walking through it? 06:37.000 --> 06:38.000 How the work? 06:38.000 --> 06:39.000 So there's a meeting. 06:39.000 --> 06:40.000 There's a meeting. 06:40.000 --> 06:44.000 The high level thinkers at wired magazines get together. 06:44.000 --> 06:47.000 And they come up with something smart that they want to cover. 06:47.000 --> 06:48.000 You know, cover. 06:48.000 --> 06:49.000 Like in this case, radio. 06:49.000 --> 06:50.000 Okay. 06:50.000 --> 06:51.000 Oh, radio. 06:51.000 --> 06:52.000 Okay. 06:52.000 --> 06:53.000 That's the, yeah. 06:53.000 --> 06:58.000 And, you know, some secret that we will not disclose stories or assign to various 06:58.000 --> 07:03.000 people that are all about the, you know, the sort of mutations that radios going through. 07:03.000 --> 07:05.000 Now that technology is changing. 07:05.000 --> 07:06.000 Right. 07:06.000 --> 07:07.000 We were talking about before, right? 07:07.000 --> 07:08.000 Challenges to radio. 07:08.000 --> 07:09.000 Yes. 07:09.000 --> 07:13.000 From, you know, new technologies and radio really hasn't gone through that. 07:13.000 --> 07:15.000 And, and so then, you know. 07:16.000 --> 07:18.000 So for XM, that's kind of, that's kind of what that is. 07:18.000 --> 07:20.000 Yeah, I mean, that's out, that's out there's so far. 07:20.000 --> 07:27.000 And there's actually now, there's a program that some guys invented, which allows you to record XM. 07:27.000 --> 07:30.000 And then enable it and, you know, store it. 07:30.000 --> 07:31.000 Yeah. 07:31.000 --> 07:32.000 Yeah. 07:32.000 --> 07:33.000 Sort of. 07:33.000 --> 07:34.000 But where do you store it? 07:34.000 --> 07:35.000 In the car or at home or. 07:35.000 --> 07:39.000 You store it on your media player on whatever, whatever, you know, 07:39.000 --> 07:40.000 Okay. 07:40.000 --> 07:41.000 Your audio player is. 07:41.000 --> 07:42.000 Yeah. 07:42.000 --> 07:43.000 Yeah. 07:43.000 --> 07:44.000 I don't mean to say media player like the windows. 07:44.000 --> 07:45.000 No, I know. 07:45.000 --> 07:46.000 Generic. 07:46.000 --> 07:47.000 Thank you. 07:47.000 --> 07:48.000 Thank you for, yes. 07:48.000 --> 07:49.000 Thank you for clarifying. 07:49.000 --> 07:50.000 That's important. 07:50.000 --> 07:52.000 Please do not use the window media player. 07:52.000 --> 07:53.000 Why not? 07:53.000 --> 07:54.000 It's evil. 07:54.000 --> 07:55.000 No. 07:55.000 --> 07:56.000 DRM. 07:56.000 --> 08:00.000 And Microsoft in general has some, I think, poor policies regarding its media player. 08:00.000 --> 08:02.000 But we could talk about that later. 08:02.000 --> 08:03.000 Okay. 08:03.000 --> 08:05.000 But yes. 08:05.000 --> 08:08.000 So this is for a big radio article. 08:08.000 --> 08:12.000 Well, it's about, so there will be articles about radio. 08:12.000 --> 08:15.000 And I'm doing the article in podcasting and featuring Adam Curry. 08:15.000 --> 08:18.000 See, this is the part that really I loved. 08:18.000 --> 08:19.000 The Prince of podcast. 08:19.000 --> 08:20.000 The Prince of podcast. 08:20.000 --> 08:21.000 Yeah. 08:21.000 --> 08:22.000 You heard that. 08:22.000 --> 08:23.000 Don't tell me you've heard that. 08:23.000 --> 08:24.000 The Prince of podcast. 08:24.000 --> 08:25.000 Did you hear the song? 08:25.000 --> 08:28.000 I haven't heard you encouraging people to create the song. 08:28.000 --> 08:31.000 I haven't heard any Adam Curry for like two days. 08:31.000 --> 08:35.000 I mean, except in person, which is, you know, which is, of course, as much better than. 08:35.000 --> 08:38.000 But it's different, you know, when somebody is in person. 08:38.000 --> 08:41.000 You know, it's weird to like hear somebody on their podcast and meet them in person. 08:41.000 --> 08:44.000 You keep wanting to like not look at them and just hear their voice. 08:44.000 --> 08:45.000 And it's like not so distracting. 08:45.000 --> 08:48.000 There's like a person attached to the voice that's really in my iPod. 08:48.000 --> 08:49.000 Yeah. 08:49.000 --> 08:50.000 Yeah. 08:50.000 --> 08:51.000 So what are you doing? 08:51.000 --> 08:53.000 Well, what I was doing is actually I was going to see. 08:53.000 --> 08:57.000 I have my iPod here and I put my eye trip on because we're in the A8 studio. 08:57.000 --> 08:58.000 Right. 08:58.000 --> 09:02.000 What I was going to do is I was going to play something over the sound system here. 09:02.000 --> 09:04.000 So we can record it through the microphones at the same time. 09:04.000 --> 09:07.000 You know, you can also hear it because you're not wearing headphones. 09:07.000 --> 09:09.000 And I don't have a, it's not a real studio. 09:09.000 --> 09:10.000 No. 09:10.000 --> 09:11.000 I don't know. 09:11.000 --> 09:12.000 I don't even know. 09:12.000 --> 09:16.000 I like the fact that there's a map of Gilford on his little. 09:16.000 --> 09:17.000 Isn't that the shit though? 09:17.000 --> 09:18.000 Isn't that the shit though? 09:18.000 --> 09:21.000 It also has little icons for where you can check this out. 09:21.000 --> 09:22.000 Check this out. 09:22.000 --> 09:24.000 That red sun looking. 09:24.000 --> 09:25.000 Shit. 09:25.000 --> 09:26.000 I don't know. 09:26.000 --> 09:27.000 What is that? 09:27.000 --> 09:28.000 Yeah. 09:28.000 --> 09:32.000 Is that a places you can go to get tattoo door? 09:32.000 --> 09:33.000 And we should check that out. 09:33.000 --> 09:34.000 Well, watch this. 09:34.000 --> 09:35.000 Watch this. 09:35.000 --> 09:37.000 Because this is a DVD navigation system. 09:38.000 --> 09:40.000 So watch me zoom out. 09:40.000 --> 09:41.000 And you'll see. 09:41.000 --> 09:43.000 Does it show like planet earth? 09:43.000 --> 09:44.000 Wow. 09:44.000 --> 09:47.000 So I can go to any place within this map, which is all of Europe. 09:47.000 --> 09:48.000 Wow. 09:48.000 --> 09:49.000 Let's go to, let's go Berlin. 09:49.000 --> 09:50.000 Okay. 09:50.000 --> 09:51.000 Okay. 09:51.000 --> 09:52.000 Hold on. 09:52.000 --> 09:53.000 Let's go. 09:53.000 --> 09:54.000 Let's go to Berlin. 09:54.000 --> 09:55.000 So country. 09:55.000 --> 09:56.000 Right. 09:56.000 --> 09:58.000 We'll select Germany. 09:58.000 --> 10:00.000 Town. 10:00.000 --> 10:02.000 This is being loaded. 10:02.000 --> 10:04.000 It's a big ass country. 10:05.000 --> 10:07.000 It's not that big anymore. 10:07.000 --> 10:09.000 Well, for a whole bunch of towns. 10:09.000 --> 10:10.000 Hold on. 10:10.000 --> 10:13.000 But we could go to an obscure German town. 10:13.000 --> 10:14.000 Hold on. 10:14.000 --> 10:15.000 Well, Berlin. 10:15.000 --> 10:16.000 Berlin. 10:16.000 --> 10:17.000 Berlin. 10:17.000 --> 10:18.000 In multiple languages. 10:18.000 --> 10:19.000 Okay. 10:19.000 --> 10:20.000 Berlin. 10:20.000 --> 10:21.000 What is Berlin here? 10:21.000 --> 10:22.000 It's a little Berlin. 10:22.000 --> 10:26.000 It's a Berlin in Dutch spelling. 10:26.000 --> 10:28.000 I want to go to special destination or just a street. 10:28.000 --> 10:29.000 Let's go special destination. 10:29.000 --> 10:30.000 Yes. 10:30.000 --> 10:32.000 Maybe we can find out what that is. 10:32.000 --> 10:33.000 Yeah. 10:33.000 --> 10:34.000 It's a little sun. 10:34.000 --> 10:35.000 It's a little sun. 10:35.000 --> 10:37.000 It's a landmark. 10:37.000 --> 10:39.000 How about an ice skating rink? 10:39.000 --> 10:40.000 Fine. 10:40.000 --> 10:41.000 Ice skating rink of Berlin. 10:41.000 --> 10:44.000 I don't understand why the ice skating rinks aren't also landmarks. 10:44.000 --> 10:45.000 Well, not necessarily. 10:45.000 --> 10:46.000 There might be, could be a landmark. 10:46.000 --> 10:47.000 Here. 10:47.000 --> 10:48.000 Ice, ice, portala. 10:48.000 --> 10:49.000 Do we go there? 10:49.000 --> 10:50.000 Ice, portala? 10:50.000 --> 10:51.000 Yes. 10:51.000 --> 10:52.000 We even got the phone number. 10:52.000 --> 10:54.000 We now set a destination. 10:54.000 --> 10:55.000 Start route guidance. 10:55.000 --> 10:57.000 When it starts us with the globe. 10:57.000 --> 10:59.000 I just want you to know right now. 10:59.000 --> 11:01.000 We're seeing a slow zoom. 11:01.000 --> 11:02.000 Okay. 11:03.000 --> 11:04.000 There it is. 11:04.000 --> 11:05.000 There's our route. 11:05.000 --> 11:06.000 If we leave now. 11:06.000 --> 11:08.000 We will be there at 330 this morning. 11:08.000 --> 11:09.000 Great. 11:09.000 --> 11:10.000 Well, all the way. 11:10.000 --> 11:11.000 We have to go underneath. 11:11.000 --> 11:12.000 We have to take the train. 11:12.000 --> 11:14.000 All the way from Gilford to the ice rink in Berlin. 11:14.000 --> 11:15.000 Yeah. 11:15.000 --> 11:16.000 We could be that at 330. 11:16.000 --> 11:17.000 If we left right now. 11:17.000 --> 11:18.000 That's great. 11:18.000 --> 11:20.000 Well, that's the power of technology. 11:20.000 --> 11:21.000 Isn't that wonderful? 11:21.000 --> 11:23.000 And it also has the traffic monitor system. 11:23.000 --> 11:25.000 So what the traffic is going to be like? 11:25.000 --> 11:26.000 Well, what it'll do actually. 11:26.000 --> 11:28.000 It'll route you around bad traffic. 11:28.000 --> 11:29.000 Wow. 11:29.000 --> 11:30.000 Yeah. 11:30.000 --> 11:31.000 And they can shoot. 11:31.000 --> 11:32.000 Okay. 11:32.000 --> 11:33.000 Now, what I was going to do. 11:33.000 --> 11:34.000 I was looking for the Prince of Pod. 11:34.000 --> 11:37.000 I can't believe that you haven't heard that. 11:37.000 --> 11:39.000 You haven't heard enough. 11:39.000 --> 11:40.000 I know clearly. 11:40.000 --> 11:41.000 My ears are not. 11:41.000 --> 11:42.000 I have not. 11:42.000 --> 11:43.000 Hold on a second. 11:43.000 --> 11:47.000 You see how easy it is to fill up 10 minutes of. 11:47.000 --> 11:50.000 Of of MP3 space. 11:50.000 --> 11:52.000 We just did 10 minutes. 11:52.000 --> 11:53.000 I know. 11:53.000 --> 11:54.000 Just looking at maps. 11:54.000 --> 11:55.000 It's easy. 11:55.000 --> 11:57.000 And people eat to shut up. 11:57.000 --> 12:00.000 Well, let me see if I can find Prince of Pod. 12:01.000 --> 12:02.000 It's true. 12:02.000 --> 12:06.000 I mean, I was willing to listen to like 20 minutes of you not being able to launch Skype. 12:06.000 --> 12:07.000 With Lee. 12:07.000 --> 12:08.000 With Lee Wilkins. 12:08.000 --> 12:09.000 Lee. 12:09.000 --> 12:10.000 Are you there? 12:10.000 --> 12:11.000 Oh, dude. 12:11.000 --> 12:12.000 Oh, man. 12:12.000 --> 12:14.000 It was just like hanging out with my friends. 12:14.000 --> 12:15.000 We were like. 12:15.000 --> 12:16.000 Oh, no. 12:16.000 --> 12:17.000 Oh, no. 12:17.000 --> 12:18.000 Oh, no. 12:18.000 --> 12:19.000 Oh, almost. 12:19.000 --> 12:20.000 Oh, no. 12:20.000 --> 12:21.000 Oh, no. 12:21.000 --> 12:22.000 Oh, no. 12:22.000 --> 12:23.000 Oh, no. 12:23.000 --> 12:24.000 Oh, no. 12:24.000 --> 12:25.000 Hold on. 12:25.000 --> 12:27.000 That's the BBC traffic report cutting. 12:28.000 --> 12:30.000 Hey, Jenny. 12:30.000 --> 12:31.000 You're all. 12:31.000 --> 12:33.000 On the internet. 12:33.000 --> 12:34.000 In that cool. 12:34.000 --> 12:35.000 Someone has a traffic report. 12:35.000 --> 12:36.000 It cuts in. 12:36.000 --> 12:37.000 It just keeps letting you know. 12:37.000 --> 12:38.000 Here at the ice rate. 12:38.000 --> 12:40.000 There's a little bit of traffic. 12:40.000 --> 12:41.000 Okay. 12:41.000 --> 12:42.000 I seriously want to play a song for you, though. 12:42.000 --> 12:43.000 I seriously. 12:43.000 --> 12:44.000 Okay. 12:44.000 --> 12:45.000 Hold on. 12:45.000 --> 12:47.000 See how much I hate this iPod interface. 12:47.000 --> 12:49.000 Now, how long it's taken me to find something. 12:49.000 --> 12:52.000 He's doing that thing where you like spin your finger around the dial. 12:52.000 --> 12:53.000 He's using his thumb, though. 12:53.000 --> 12:54.000 A lot of. 12:54.000 --> 12:55.000 You do it with your finger. 12:55.000 --> 12:56.000 The index finger method. 12:56.000 --> 12:57.000 Really? 12:57.000 --> 12:58.000 The thumb. 12:58.000 --> 13:00.000 I don't have the thumb method is. 13:00.000 --> 13:01.000 You know. 13:01.000 --> 13:02.000 That's. 13:02.000 --> 13:04.000 That's interesting. 13:04.000 --> 13:05.000 The thumb. 13:05.000 --> 13:06.000 No, the thumb method is the only. 13:06.000 --> 13:07.000 I only know the thumb method. 13:07.000 --> 13:09.000 You got to learn the finger method. 13:09.000 --> 13:10.000 It's. 13:10.000 --> 13:11.000 I think it's faster. 13:11.000 --> 13:12.000 But it's. 13:12.000 --> 13:13.000 It also requires two hands. 13:13.000 --> 13:14.000 So. 13:14.000 --> 13:15.000 Okay. 13:15.000 --> 13:16.000 So I'm going to. 13:16.000 --> 13:17.000 He's testing the finger method. 13:17.000 --> 13:18.000 Yes. 13:18.000 --> 13:19.000 The finger method sucks. 13:19.000 --> 13:20.000 Okay. 13:20.000 --> 13:22.000 I want to play some with severe spitties. 13:22.000 --> 13:23.000 Excellent. 13:23.000 --> 13:24.000 Now, you've heard of him, right? 13:24.000 --> 13:25.000 I have. 13:26.000 --> 13:27.000 Have you actually seen him live? 13:27.000 --> 13:28.000 I haven't. 13:28.000 --> 13:29.000 No, I just heard him on your podcast. 13:29.000 --> 13:30.000 And I was like. 13:30.000 --> 13:31.000 Okay. 13:31.000 --> 13:32.000 I'll do. 13:32.000 --> 13:33.000 I'll play. 13:33.000 --> 13:34.000 You do have to meet him. 13:34.000 --> 13:35.000 In fact. 13:35.000 --> 13:36.000 Oh, let me. 13:36.000 --> 13:38.000 I'll have to pull this up for a second. 13:38.000 --> 13:39.000 Well, this is. 13:39.000 --> 13:41.000 What's setting up? 13:41.000 --> 13:42.000 Well, it's. 13:42.000 --> 13:48.000 The listivious bitties are performing. 13:48.000 --> 13:50.000 I'm such a mess. 13:50.000 --> 13:54.000 Are performing Sunday night in Manhattan. 13:54.000 --> 13:57.000 Of course, there's not the email I was looking for. 13:57.000 --> 13:59.000 I want to put that in later. 13:59.000 --> 14:00.000 I guess. 14:00.000 --> 14:02.000 This is me taking a drink of water. 14:02.000 --> 14:03.000 Go for it. 14:03.000 --> 14:05.000 Do I have. 14:05.000 --> 14:07.000 See, Leanna sent me. 14:07.000 --> 14:08.000 Leanna from a severe spitties. 14:08.000 --> 14:09.000 It sent me email. 14:09.000 --> 14:12.000 There's so many different email accounts. 14:12.000 --> 14:14.000 Okay. 14:14.000 --> 14:17.000 I'll post about this in the in the production show notes. 14:17.000 --> 14:21.000 But essentially they're doing a show on the. 14:22.000 --> 14:23.000 14th. 14:23.000 --> 14:25.000 So that's Sunday. 14:25.000 --> 14:27.000 Sunday Monday. 14:27.000 --> 14:31.000 Well, today is the 10th 11th 12th. 14:31.000 --> 14:32.000 It's Monday. 14:32.000 --> 14:33.000 Then I guess. 14:33.000 --> 14:36.000 Well, in Manhattan at 11 o'clock, no cover. 14:36.000 --> 14:40.000 And if you use the secret word. 14:40.000 --> 14:42.000 Yeah, which we have to come up with. 14:42.000 --> 14:45.000 Then you get in free at the door. 14:45.000 --> 14:48.000 So of course, it would be. 14:49.000 --> 14:50.000 What's a good word? 14:50.000 --> 14:53.000 What's a good secret word that people just want to say podcast. 14:53.000 --> 14:54.000 So that too. 14:54.000 --> 14:57.000 podcast is good podcast or source code or. 14:57.000 --> 14:58.000 Yeah. 14:58.000 --> 15:02.000 Or you could do like something that was, you know, more self-promotional. 15:02.000 --> 15:04.000 Like I love Adam Curry. 15:04.000 --> 15:05.000 Yeah, no, no, no. 15:05.000 --> 15:07.000 Because that would be wrong. 15:07.000 --> 15:12.000 Um, no, I'm just still trying to figure out where her email went. 15:12.000 --> 15:14.000 I had it saved obviously. 15:14.000 --> 15:15.000 I'll find it. 15:15.000 --> 15:17.000 Now, it should be. 15:17.000 --> 15:18.000 Just podcast. 15:18.000 --> 15:20.000 Yeah, I think podcast works, right? 15:20.000 --> 15:21.000 Okay. 15:21.000 --> 15:22.000 Yeah, it's broken. 15:22.000 --> 15:23.000 Okay, podcast. 15:23.000 --> 15:25.000 If you meant, and I'm going to give you all the details. 15:25.000 --> 15:27.000 Uh, what we'll do is we're going to play some list of these 15:27.000 --> 15:28.000 Bitties. 15:28.000 --> 15:30.000 And let me see if this is working. 15:30.000 --> 15:32.000 Yeah, I think it is. 15:32.000 --> 15:33.000 Yes. 15:33.000 --> 15:34.000 Okay. 15:34.000 --> 15:36.000 Um, I'm going to play famous. 15:36.000 --> 15:38.000 That's one of my favorite Bitties songs. 15:38.000 --> 15:40.000 So we have to kind of be quiet what place. 15:40.000 --> 15:42.000 Then otherwise you'll, they'll hear us. 15:42.000 --> 15:43.000 Okay. 15:43.000 --> 15:44.000 But it'll be cool. 15:44.000 --> 15:45.000 Here's the CBS Bitties. 15:45.000 --> 15:51.000 So I have to find the right spot, so it doesn't crackle. 15:51.000 --> 15:52.000 I want to be famous. 15:52.000 --> 15:57.000 I want to wear minks and sattens and pearls. 15:57.000 --> 15:59.000 I want to be famous. 15:59.000 --> 16:03.000 More than just any old girl. 16:03.000 --> 17:02.000 [ Music ] 17:02.000 --> 17:05.000 When they see me, how they'll smile. 17:05.000 --> 17:08.000 When they see me, how they'll smile. 17:08.000 --> 17:11.000 When they see me, how they'll smile. 17:11.000 --> 17:14.000 When they see me, how they'll smile. 17:14.000 --> 17:17.000 When they see me, how they'll smile. 17:17.000 --> 17:20.000 When they see me, how they'll smile. 17:20.000 --> 17:31.000 [ Music ] 17:31.000 --> 17:46.000 When they see me, how they'll smile. 17:46.000 --> 17:50.160 When they see me, how they'll smile. 17:50.160 --> 17:51.160 When they see me, how they'll smile. 17:51.160 --> 17:54.000 When they see me, how they'll smile. 17:54.000 --> 17:59.000 At the point of the day I start to get laughing. 17:59.000 --> 18:04.000 It was like there's a team and when they have all the fashion, sort of like old times. 18:04.000 --> 18:06.000 Yeah, I like that, I love that. 18:06.000 --> 18:07.000 Yeah, I know, I love that. 18:07.000 --> 18:09.000 They give her a buddy, a little bit. 18:09.000 --> 18:10.000 Yeah. 18:10.000 --> 18:11.000 Kind of like lounge singer. 18:11.000 --> 18:12.000 Yeah. 18:12.000 --> 18:13.000 Yeah. 18:13.000 --> 18:15.000 I think he played in circles this time. 18:15.000 --> 18:16.000 Oh, I'm sure. 18:16.000 --> 18:17.000 Yeah. 18:17.000 --> 18:18.000 Okay. 18:18.000 --> 18:20.000 I'm planning to keep that up. 18:20.000 --> 18:21.000 But he knows. 18:21.250 --> 19:02.000 [ Music ] 19:02.000 --> 19:05.000 Colored Hills, Martini's dry. 19:05.000 --> 19:08.000 A little way and just good touch. 19:08.000 --> 19:10.000 Oh, oh, oh. 19:10.000 --> 19:15.000 I want to be my famous better than all of my friends. 19:15.000 --> 19:17.000 Oh, much better than all of her. 19:17.000 --> 19:23.000 I want to be famous, lonely and unknown at the end. 19:23.000 --> 19:46.000 [ Music ] 19:46.000 --> 19:53.000 Hey, my friend. 19:53.000 --> 19:56.000 Welcome to Adam Curry's Jazz Cafe. 19:56.000 --> 19:57.000 Everybody. 19:57.000 --> 19:58.000 All right. 19:58.000 --> 20:00.000 That was the serious bitties. 20:00.000 --> 20:01.000 I want to be famous. 20:01.000 --> 20:04.000 You can check them out at bittiesforever.com. 20:04.000 --> 20:06.000 And I found the email. 20:06.000 --> 20:07.000 So it's Tuesday. 20:07.000 --> 20:10.000 There's a, I even got me information wrong. 20:10.000 --> 20:11.000 It's Tuesday. 20:11.000 --> 20:13.000 There's a no cover show in Manhattan at 11 p.m. 20:14.000 --> 20:18.000 It's the bitties holiday party in Manhattan at the living room. 20:18.000 --> 20:20.000 Any idea where that is? 20:20.000 --> 20:24.000 It's 154 Ludlow Street. 20:24.000 --> 20:27.000 And there's even an, I'll put this in the podcast show notes. 20:27.000 --> 20:30.000 2125337235. 20:30.000 --> 20:32.000 One set 11 p.m. 20:32.000 --> 20:33.000 And here's the deal. 20:33.000 --> 20:37.000 The end suggests you could give your listening audience a secret code. 20:37.000 --> 20:40.000 So they can come up to me or the production manager Ben. 20:40.000 --> 20:41.000 Say the code. 20:41.000 --> 20:43.000 And they will know how many people came. 20:43.000 --> 20:44.000 Thanks to the podcast. 20:44.000 --> 20:46.000 Maybe she's just during the, during the set. 20:46.000 --> 20:48.000 Just say anyone here from the source code. 20:48.000 --> 20:50.000 Raise your hand without talking. 20:50.000 --> 20:51.000 Yeah. 20:51.000 --> 20:52.000 There's another way to go. 20:52.000 --> 20:53.000 My be better. 20:53.000 --> 20:57.000 But also the, the secret word is pod squad. 20:57.000 --> 20:58.000 That's what it has to be. 20:58.000 --> 20:59.000 Pod squad. 20:59.000 --> 21:00.000 Pod squad. 21:00.000 --> 21:01.000 Pod people. 21:01.000 --> 21:02.000 Pod people. 21:02.000 --> 21:03.000 Yeah. 21:03.000 --> 21:04.000 Like we're going to come up. 21:04.000 --> 21:05.000 Similarly you. 21:05.000 --> 21:06.000 Oh, no. 21:06.000 --> 21:08.000 But anyway, definitely go check out. 21:09.000 --> 21:10.000 It's a no cover. 21:10.000 --> 21:17.000 So go check out the, the bitis, the, the listivious bitis at the bitis holiday party in Manhattan at the living room. 21:17.000 --> 21:20.000 Tuesday to some of 14th 11 p.m. 21:20.000 --> 21:22.000 154 Ludlow Street. 21:22.000 --> 21:30.000 I think great thing about these podcasts is you can basically use the thumb or finger method to replay that message and find out exactly where it is. 21:30.000 --> 21:35.000 Still here with with Analy who's come to lovely gilford. 21:35.000 --> 21:40.000 Uh, to talk about pod casting and did you get enough about me and you think you know enough about my life? 21:40.000 --> 21:41.000 I feel like I do. 21:41.000 --> 21:42.000 Yeah. 21:42.000 --> 21:43.000 You didn't have any of the sex questions I expected. 21:43.000 --> 21:44.000 There was none of that. 21:44.000 --> 21:45.000 Yeah. 21:45.000 --> 21:47.000 I mean we could do the sex questions now. 21:47.000 --> 21:48.000 Yeah. 21:48.000 --> 21:49.000 Okay. 21:49.000 --> 21:50.000 So I'm waiting for you to interview me some more actually. 21:50.000 --> 21:51.000 I think that'll be really cool. 21:51.000 --> 21:54.000 So, you know, how was sex with Michael Jackson? 21:54.000 --> 22:00.000 You know, when I met Michael Jackson was the weirdest thing the first time I met him because we 22:00.000 --> 22:01.000 met him. 22:01.000 --> 22:08.000 This is when I had to give him the Michael Jackson video Vanguard award, which was created only for Michael Jackson, so he would. 22:08.000 --> 22:10.000 He could only be given to him by you precisely. 22:10.000 --> 22:11.000 Yeah. 22:11.000 --> 22:12.000 You know the story. 22:12.000 --> 22:14.000 And the reason why the sex part. 22:14.000 --> 22:16.000 I had those sex with Michael Jackson. 22:16.000 --> 22:17.000 What's the point? 22:17.000 --> 22:18.000 But here's what was weird. 22:18.000 --> 22:23.000 So this was at MJJ Studios in Los Angeles. 22:23.000 --> 22:26.000 It's not in some weird back-ass road to. 22:27.000 --> 22:28.000 Beautiful studios, right? 22:28.000 --> 22:29.000 So you walk in there. 22:29.000 --> 22:31.000 And what was weird was immediately. 22:31.000 --> 22:34.000 I saw that they were at least 10 kids running around. 22:34.000 --> 22:36.000 And how he Mandel was there. 22:36.000 --> 22:37.000 Which is. 22:37.000 --> 22:38.000 Which is weird. 22:38.000 --> 22:40.000 I mean, well, thank you. 22:40.000 --> 22:41.000 I don't know. 22:41.000 --> 22:42.000 It's like, you know, maybe. 22:42.000 --> 22:44.000 Was he pulling a glove over his head? 22:44.000 --> 22:45.000 Well, no. 22:45.000 --> 22:48.000 Maybe the how he Mandel was supposed to like keep the kids busy with it. 22:48.000 --> 22:50.000 And with his body's world voices or something. 22:50.000 --> 22:51.000 Yeah. 22:51.000 --> 22:52.000 You're doing a lot of the body's voice. 22:52.000 --> 22:53.000 It was scary. 22:53.000 --> 22:54.000 It was scary. 22:54.000 --> 22:56.000 You know, adults in Michael's life. 22:56.000 --> 23:00.000 At that point, we didn't know about any of the allegations. 23:00.000 --> 23:01.000 Yeah. 23:01.000 --> 23:02.000 And I still don't know if it's true. 23:02.000 --> 23:07.000 I mean, I have to say a lot of the evidence or what is being called evidence points that way. 23:07.000 --> 23:09.000 But that's hard. 23:09.000 --> 23:10.000 I have no idea. 23:10.000 --> 23:12.000 Did they just read his house again? 23:12.000 --> 23:13.000 Yeah. 23:13.000 --> 23:14.000 He's fucked. 23:14.000 --> 23:15.000 Yeah. 23:15.000 --> 23:16.000 He really is fucked. 23:16.000 --> 23:17.000 He's fucked. 23:17.000 --> 23:19.000 And you know that Tommy Matolle, you know, Tommy Matolle is right? 23:19.000 --> 23:20.000 No. 23:20.000 --> 23:21.000 Tommy Matolle. 23:21.000 --> 23:22.000 Tommy Matolle. 23:23.000 --> 23:25.000 He runs Sony Records. 23:25.000 --> 23:26.000 Oh, OK. 23:26.000 --> 23:28.000 And he was married to Mariah Carey. 23:28.000 --> 23:29.000 Right? 23:29.000 --> 23:31.000 There's a whole story all by itself. 23:31.000 --> 23:37.000 Tommy Matolle hates or at least when I was in New York and in the scene hated Michael Jackson. 23:37.000 --> 23:43.000 And Michael Jackson is so insecure and so childish really. 23:43.000 --> 23:48.000 That all these promotions to do when this was the bad album. 23:48.000 --> 23:49.000 Literally, of course. 23:49.000 --> 23:51.000 This was the bad album. 23:51.000 --> 23:56.000 And so the head Michael in the in the limo and they're going from, you know, from station to promotion or whatever. 23:56.000 --> 24:00.000 And Michael kept saying, I really have to go to the bathroom. 24:00.000 --> 24:03.000 And Tommy Matolle would not let him fucking pee. 24:03.000 --> 24:04.000 It's so awesome. 24:04.000 --> 24:05.000 On purpose. 24:05.000 --> 24:06.000 On purpose. 24:06.000 --> 24:07.000 Not to can't do it. 24:07.000 --> 24:08.000 Can't go pee here and not. 24:08.000 --> 24:10.000 We've not let him take a piss. 24:10.000 --> 24:12.000 He hated him so much. 24:12.000 --> 24:13.000 Just be in this cup. 24:13.000 --> 24:14.000 Really? 24:14.000 --> 24:15.000 I don't know what happened. 24:15.000 --> 24:18.000 I think he held it until he was back in the hotel. 24:18.000 --> 24:19.000 But that was horrible. 24:19.000 --> 24:20.000 No, Michael Jackson. 24:20.000 --> 24:21.000 Very sad case. 24:21.000 --> 24:22.000 I think. 24:22.000 --> 24:23.000 Very sad. 24:23.000 --> 24:24.000 Could let's be honest. 24:24.000 --> 24:25.000 Boy can sing. 24:25.000 --> 24:26.000 Boy can dance. 24:26.000 --> 24:28.000 Very, very musical. 24:28.000 --> 24:29.000 Very musical. 24:29.000 --> 24:31.000 But he has turned into a zombie. 24:31.000 --> 24:34.000 More people than me have said that. 24:34.000 --> 24:35.000 But yeah. 24:35.000 --> 24:36.000 I don't know if that's just what you see. 24:36.000 --> 24:38.000 This is the thing. 24:38.000 --> 24:40.000 This podcast is real honest. 24:40.000 --> 24:41.000 And there's nothing. 24:41.000 --> 24:43.000 People can tell who we are and they're hearing us. 24:43.000 --> 24:47.000 And there's nothing in between this microphone and everyone else's ears. 24:47.000 --> 24:49.000 But you don't know what you're getting from Michael Jackson. 24:49.000 --> 24:51.000 What's real or what's not real? 24:51.000 --> 24:56.000 A two second sound bite on TV. 24:56.000 --> 24:59.000 But you can tell that he's a zombie from the two seconds. 24:59.000 --> 25:01.000 I mean, you know, he's the one. 25:01.000 --> 25:02.000 I want to say yes. 25:02.000 --> 25:03.000 I want to say yes. 25:03.000 --> 25:08.000 But I have a feeling that some of that is also accentuated by the way it's edited. 25:08.000 --> 25:09.000 I don't know. 25:09.000 --> 25:12.000 Even the stuff that he edits him, that he's, you know, he's in control of editing. 25:12.000 --> 25:13.000 You think that he's not. 25:13.000 --> 25:14.000 I don't know. 25:14.000 --> 25:15.000 I don't know. 25:15.000 --> 25:18.000 He's a zombie on the stuff that he had that he had control of. 25:18.000 --> 25:21.000 I thought it was actually pretty good the stuff that he had. 25:21.000 --> 25:22.000 Yeah, I guess so. 25:22.000 --> 25:24.000 But you see that he's trying to control it. 25:24.000 --> 25:25.000 That's what was irritating about that. 25:25.000 --> 25:27.000 Even that documentary that he made. 25:27.000 --> 25:28.000 Did you see that? 25:28.000 --> 25:29.000 No, no. 25:29.000 --> 25:30.000 What was the documentary? 25:30.000 --> 25:32.000 Well, there was two documentaries that the everything came to 25:32.000 --> 25:35.000 ahead with this English guy who did a documentary. 25:35.000 --> 25:38.000 That was like a tell all experts. 25:38.000 --> 25:39.000 Yes. 25:39.000 --> 25:43.000 But at the same time, he Michael Jackson has own cameras rolling and you saw 25:43.000 --> 25:47.000 the other side, which totally exposed the English documentary to be set up, 25:47.000 --> 25:50.000 kind of, you know, edited to make him look funky. 25:50.000 --> 25:55.000 But what at the same time gave away is how controlling he was trying to be over 25:55.000 --> 25:58.000 his own destiny and the way he was having his stuff edited. 25:58.000 --> 25:59.000 Wow. 25:59.000 --> 26:01.000 So with Michael's view and sensationalist view. 26:01.000 --> 26:02.000 Yeah. 26:02.000 --> 26:03.000 Yeah. 26:03.000 --> 26:04.000 Yeah. 26:04.000 --> 26:05.000 Okay. 26:05.000 --> 26:06.000 So I didn't have sex with Michael Jackson. 26:06.000 --> 26:07.000 We've established that. 26:07.000 --> 26:10.000 I've actually not had sex with any famous people accept my wife. 26:10.000 --> 26:11.000 I've come close. 26:12.000 --> 26:15.000 So what was the closest you got to star-fucking? 26:15.000 --> 26:16.000 Mandy Smith. 26:16.000 --> 26:17.000 You remember her? 26:17.000 --> 26:19.000 I vaguely remember Mandy Smith. 26:19.000 --> 26:24.000 Mandy Smith was the Lolita 16 year old that Bill Wyman married. 26:24.000 --> 26:25.000 Mm-hmm. 26:25.000 --> 26:26.000 Then Bill, the Rolling Stones. 26:26.000 --> 26:27.000 Mm-hmm. 26:27.000 --> 26:31.000 And it was a big to do because he essentially had sex with her when she was like 26:31.000 --> 26:32.000 14. 26:32.000 --> 26:34.000 But they got married when she was 16. 26:34.000 --> 26:36.000 And then she had a song a record out. 26:36.000 --> 26:37.000 Mm-hmm. 26:37.000 --> 26:40.000 And she came to the Netherlands to promote that. 26:40.000 --> 26:43.000 Well, I was doing TV and she was totally coming on to me. 26:43.000 --> 26:44.000 Totally. 26:44.000 --> 26:45.000 Totally. 26:45.000 --> 26:46.000 Totally. 26:46.000 --> 26:50.000 Now at the time being, I had a client-designed relationship with Patricia. 26:50.000 --> 26:53.000 It was very famous in Europe. 26:53.000 --> 26:54.000 Mm-hmm. 26:54.000 --> 26:55.000 And she was married. 26:55.000 --> 26:58.000 So we came up with this great plan. 26:58.000 --> 27:00.000 Because she's really nice. 27:00.000 --> 27:02.000 And Mandy Smith, the time very sweet girl. 27:02.000 --> 27:05.000 So you had a chance to be the star-fucking two women at the same? 27:05.000 --> 27:07.000 No, no, no, no, no, no. 27:07.000 --> 27:09.000 Not at the same time, but during the same time period. 27:09.000 --> 27:10.000 Yes, but it was different. 27:10.000 --> 27:14.000 Because Mandy and I had real no real interest in each other. 27:14.000 --> 27:16.000 But we had the same problem. 27:16.000 --> 27:19.000 She was being stalked by paparazzi, et cetera. 27:19.000 --> 27:22.000 Because she had this relationship with Bill Lyman, 27:22.000 --> 27:23.000 which wasn't really known at the time. 27:23.000 --> 27:24.000 But she was going out with Bill. 27:24.000 --> 27:26.000 She wasn't married to him yet. 27:26.000 --> 27:27.000 It was like six months later. 27:27.000 --> 27:31.000 And I had this whole thing with Patricia, which was supposed to be not known. 27:31.000 --> 27:32.000 So what did we do? 27:32.000 --> 27:35.000 I invited her come over to Amsterdam and we went out together. 27:35.000 --> 27:38.000 And then everyone was talking about us. 27:38.000 --> 27:39.000 It was the verdict. 27:39.000 --> 27:42.000 And then of course there was this point where we said, well, we just have sex. 27:42.000 --> 27:44.000 This is where we're faking it anyway. 27:44.000 --> 27:46.000 It's like man, never mind. 27:46.000 --> 27:48.000 Oh, no. 27:48.000 --> 27:50.000 Because now she loved Bill when I love Patricia. 27:50.000 --> 27:52.000 It was like, but that was about the closest. 27:52.000 --> 27:55.000 So do you think that that means that like the Tom Cruise Penelope, 27:55.000 --> 27:56.000 Cruise thing deaf? 27:56.000 --> 27:57.000 Tom is totally gay. 27:57.000 --> 27:58.000 Come on, the gay. 27:58.000 --> 27:59.000 Who is it? 27:59.000 --> 28:00.000 We're totally not having sex at all. 28:00.000 --> 28:01.000 I have no idea. 28:01.000 --> 28:03.000 You can be gay and have sex with women. 28:03.000 --> 28:04.000 Oh, sure, sure. 28:04.000 --> 28:06.000 But I mean, your story kind of is shattering. 28:06.000 --> 28:10.000 My illusions about the fact that, you know, he's probably, because I was sort of enjoying 28:10.000 --> 28:14.000 imagining Tom Cruise, you know, having to force himself to have sex with him. 28:14.000 --> 28:15.000 To have sex with him. 28:15.000 --> 28:18.000 Just to have his punishment for him for staying in the closet. 28:18.000 --> 28:20.000 You know, it's like, you will be forced. 28:20.000 --> 28:24.000 I gotta tell you though, that must be so hard to live your life like that. 28:24.000 --> 28:26.000 Yeah, I can't even imagine. 28:26.000 --> 28:28.000 Because George Michael is just come out, right? 28:28.000 --> 28:29.000 Really, this is... 28:29.000 --> 28:34.000 He's now going and he's doing a tour for promotional tour for his new album. 28:34.000 --> 28:35.000 Yeah. 28:35.000 --> 28:37.000 And he's been on the BBC several times. 28:37.000 --> 28:39.000 You know, just going through this whole thing. 28:39.000 --> 28:42.000 And he said at one point, he said, I have to do the English accent. 28:42.000 --> 28:43.000 Otherwise, doesn't work. 28:43.000 --> 28:44.000 Oh, my God. 28:44.000 --> 28:45.000 I couldn't believe it. 28:45.000 --> 28:46.000 It was like, here I was. 28:46.000 --> 28:48.000 I was the number one pop star on the world. 28:48.000 --> 28:50.000 And I was a fucking poof. 28:50.000 --> 28:52.000 And he was freaked out about it. 28:52.000 --> 28:55.000 You know, because he was mainly huge in America. 28:55.000 --> 28:57.000 And he was like, he was really freaked. 28:57.000 --> 28:59.000 And he couldn't let he couldn't be himself. 28:59.000 --> 29:04.000 And I remember, I couldn't even get an interview with him. 29:04.000 --> 29:08.000 He was so freaked out about life and everything in general. 29:08.000 --> 29:10.000 He couldn't deal with it. 29:10.000 --> 29:12.000 He still can't deal with being famous, really. 29:12.000 --> 29:15.000 He just wants to be a writer and a singer and a producer and all that. 29:15.000 --> 29:16.000 And a poof. 29:16.000 --> 29:17.000 And a poof. 29:17.000 --> 29:18.000 And he's a major poof. 29:18.000 --> 29:19.000 And he's very good at it. 29:19.000 --> 29:20.000 But I think... 29:20.000 --> 29:22.000 But more importantly, Rob Helfer came out. 29:22.000 --> 29:24.000 I mean, that's like way more important. 29:24.000 --> 29:25.000 But that was such a... 29:25.000 --> 29:28.000 For some reason, and for those of you don't know, Rob Helfer 29:28.000 --> 29:31.000 to Judas Priest, he came out several years ago. 29:31.000 --> 29:34.000 And he had like a new band, a new new, like... 29:34.000 --> 29:35.000 Like almost as well. 29:35.000 --> 29:37.000 Like almost as well, man. 29:37.000 --> 29:40.000 But no one really cared. 29:40.000 --> 29:41.000 Did he lose... 29:41.000 --> 29:42.000 I mean... 29:42.000 --> 29:43.000 Really? 29:43.000 --> 29:44.000 Did you... 29:44.000 --> 29:46.000 Did you lose interest in the band? 29:46.000 --> 29:47.000 I was happy. 29:47.000 --> 29:49.000 But I had always admired them. 29:49.000 --> 29:51.000 As a youth, my first concert with... 29:51.000 --> 29:52.000 Was you depressed for real? 29:52.000 --> 29:53.000 Yeah, for real. 29:53.000 --> 29:54.000 It was so cool. 29:54.000 --> 29:56.000 And I learned the whole thing about, like, holding it 29:56.000 --> 29:57.000 if you're lighter to light. 29:57.000 --> 29:58.000 Like that. 29:58.000 --> 29:59.000 Yeah. 29:59.000 --> 30:00.000 That was my first experience. 30:00.000 --> 30:01.000 Excellent. 30:01.000 --> 30:04.000 And I was like, oh, and all that time, he was a homo. 30:04.000 --> 30:05.000 That's so awesome. 30:05.000 --> 30:06.000 We didn't know. 30:06.000 --> 30:07.000 We didn't know. 30:07.000 --> 30:08.000 We didn't know. 30:08.000 --> 30:09.000 We didn't know. 30:09.000 --> 30:12.000 Boys, you can be a tough metalhead and be queen. 30:12.000 --> 30:14.000 And actually, if you play the records backwards, 30:14.000 --> 30:15.000 it does say... 30:15.000 --> 30:17.000 Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. 30:17.000 --> 30:19.000 At all the time. 30:19.000 --> 30:20.000 No. 30:20.000 --> 30:22.000 It wasn't saying worship Satan. 30:22.000 --> 30:23.000 It was saying... 30:23.000 --> 30:26.000 You know, the bitties actually have a piece of back masking. 30:26.000 --> 30:28.000 I found that I was listening to the album. 30:28.000 --> 30:29.000 It was true, they really do. 30:29.000 --> 30:31.000 That what I haven't played it backwards yet. 30:31.000 --> 30:33.000 But you don't really. 30:33.000 --> 30:36.000 No, but they have a piece that's backwards on the album. 30:36.000 --> 30:37.000 I'm going to check it out. 30:37.000 --> 30:38.000 There's a back masking piece. 30:38.000 --> 30:40.000 It probably is just literally a piece backwards. 30:40.000 --> 30:43.000 That is probably nothing more than that. 30:43.000 --> 30:44.000 But you're right. 30:44.000 --> 30:45.000 That's it. 30:45.000 --> 30:47.000 So anyway, so yeah, Tom Cruise. 30:47.000 --> 30:48.000 Yeah, Tom Cruise. 30:48.000 --> 30:49.000 Tom Cruise. 30:49.000 --> 30:51.000 How'd we get on the whole homo thing? 30:51.000 --> 30:52.000 I don't remember. 30:52.000 --> 30:53.000 It was... 30:53.000 --> 30:54.000 Something about sex. 30:54.000 --> 30:55.000 And it was you not having sex. 30:55.000 --> 30:56.000 Right, not having sex. 30:57.000 --> 31:00.000 That person who is your beard, even though it was a heterosexual beard. 31:00.000 --> 31:03.000 There was a heterosexual beard. 31:03.000 --> 31:05.000 Oh my god. 31:05.000 --> 31:08.000 And it's fun because all those years at MTV, 31:08.000 --> 31:09.000 you'd think... 31:09.000 --> 31:12.000 Because we were very separate from the offices. 31:12.000 --> 31:16.000 Officers were at 175 Broadway before that 1775. 31:16.000 --> 31:17.000 And we were down. 31:17.000 --> 31:23.000 We actually had the studio right next door to the Sally Jesse Raphael Show. 31:23.000 --> 31:26.000 So in the morning, I would tape my segments. 31:26.000 --> 31:28.000 And then during lunch, I'd have to stay in my dressing room 31:28.000 --> 31:30.000 because all these degenerates, you know, like, 31:30.000 --> 31:32.000 midgets having sex with, you know, 31:32.000 --> 31:33.000 you know, whatever. 31:33.000 --> 31:34.000 It's all kinds of stuff. 31:34.000 --> 31:35.000 It's just having sex with their mothers. 31:35.000 --> 31:36.000 Yeah, right. 31:36.000 --> 31:37.000 We're walking down the hallway. 31:37.000 --> 31:38.000 And it was... 31:38.000 --> 31:39.000 It was... 31:39.000 --> 31:40.000 It was a traffic report. 31:40.000 --> 31:41.000 Yeah. 31:41.000 --> 31:44.000 That was a traffic report from the BBC. 31:44.000 --> 31:46.000 But never. 31:46.000 --> 31:47.000 Never. 31:47.000 --> 31:48.000 Did I see... 31:48.000 --> 31:52.000 See, or was I offered anything other than maybe a token 31:52.000 --> 31:53.000 to join? 31:53.000 --> 31:54.000 Never saw any coke. 31:54.000 --> 31:56.000 No, I've never even done cocaine. 31:56.000 --> 31:57.000 No. 31:57.000 --> 31:58.000 Nothing. 31:58.000 --> 32:00.000 All that rock and roll, you know, 32:00.000 --> 32:03.000 stuff that may have oozed from MTV screen. 32:03.000 --> 32:04.000 Not true. 32:04.000 --> 32:05.000 It was horrible. 32:05.000 --> 32:07.000 It really was just getting high and not having sex. 32:07.000 --> 32:08.000 No, but they were... 32:08.000 --> 32:09.000 Well, just... 32:09.000 --> 32:10.000 No. 32:10.000 --> 32:11.000 People weren't even really smoking pot. 32:11.000 --> 32:13.000 It was me and Rick, the audio guy. 32:13.000 --> 32:14.000 You were... 32:14.000 --> 32:15.000 We were the pot fans. 32:15.000 --> 32:16.000 Yeah. 32:16.000 --> 32:18.000 No, the camera guys were not... 32:18.000 --> 32:19.000 No. 32:19.000 --> 32:20.000 No. 32:20.000 --> 32:21.000 No. 32:21.000 --> 32:22.000 Rick. 32:22.000 --> 32:23.000 Rick's my boy. 32:23.000 --> 32:24.000 He'll always be my boy. 32:24.000 --> 32:25.000 It was so good. 32:25.000 --> 32:27.000 We would share my dressing room and these audio booths. 32:27.000 --> 32:29.000 So, you know, whenever he had to take a dump, 32:29.000 --> 32:33.000 he'd literally come to my dressing room and sit there and read my fan mail. 32:33.000 --> 32:34.000 Well, I was doing the audio. 32:34.000 --> 32:35.000 And we wouldn't tell anyone. 32:35.000 --> 32:36.000 That's a good... 32:36.000 --> 32:38.000 That's a good way to, you know, hang out. 32:38.000 --> 32:40.000 Well, I also learned a lot about audio. 32:40.000 --> 32:42.000 Like, through the bathroom door, like he'd be taking a dump. 32:42.000 --> 32:43.000 And he'd be like, dude. 32:43.000 --> 32:45.000 No, no, because no, because I'd watch him. 32:45.000 --> 32:47.000 How we would do the audio stuff. 32:47.000 --> 32:48.000 Yeah. 32:48.000 --> 32:50.000 He'd say, oh man, it's time for my dump. 32:50.000 --> 32:51.000 Okay, Rick. 32:51.000 --> 32:53.000 Well, you know, he had these bags. 32:53.000 --> 32:56.000 A number of postcards before email. 32:56.000 --> 32:58.000 Just get postcards and naked pictures. 32:58.000 --> 33:01.000 So, I had huge postal bags full. 33:01.000 --> 33:02.000 And, you know, just... 33:02.000 --> 33:04.000 Whenever he had time, he opened like 20 of them. 33:04.000 --> 33:06.000 He had no time to open all of them and read it. 33:06.000 --> 33:09.000 And so, Rick went to help me scan the mail while he was using my bathroom. 33:09.000 --> 33:11.000 And that'd be tracking... 33:11.000 --> 33:14.000 I'd be opening the mics and starting the tapes and everything in the audio booth. 33:14.000 --> 33:15.000 And the directors didn't know about it. 33:15.000 --> 33:18.000 They'd just say, you know, alright, track 97A. 33:18.000 --> 33:20.000 And I just opened up the track and I would start up the music. 33:20.000 --> 33:23.000 And then sometimes I'd fuck up and be like, Rick, are you high again? 33:23.000 --> 33:25.000 And I'm like, mmmm. 33:25.000 --> 33:28.000 They didn't know it was me running the audio board. 33:28.000 --> 33:30.000 And the good old days of this scene. 33:30.000 --> 33:31.000 The good old day. 33:31.000 --> 33:33.000 Dude, we've been at it for 31 minutes. 33:33.000 --> 33:34.000 I think we should stop. 33:34.000 --> 33:37.000 So I can put in 10 minutes of opening and closing things. 33:37.000 --> 33:38.000 Yeah. 33:38.000 --> 33:39.000 I think that's a good idea. 33:39.000 --> 33:40.000 And I think that's a good idea. 33:40.000 --> 33:41.000 And I think that's a good idea. 33:41.000 --> 33:42.000 And I think that's a good idea. 33:43.000 --> 33:45.000 What I would love is if you... 33:45.000 --> 33:46.000 You should do your own podcast. 33:46.000 --> 33:47.000 You're perfect. 33:47.000 --> 33:48.000 I know. 33:48.000 --> 33:50.000 If you want to see my work, you can go to my website. 33:50.000 --> 33:51.000 Yeah. 33:51.000 --> 33:52.000 Textploitation.com. 33:52.000 --> 33:54.000 Textploitation. 33:54.000 --> 33:55.000 Textploitation. 33:55.000 --> 33:56.000 T-E-C-H-S. 33:56.000 --> 33:57.000 And then theploitation part. 33:57.000 --> 33:58.000 You can work as well. 33:58.000 --> 34:00.000 But it's not, you know, with an X. 34:00.000 --> 34:04.000 So, yeah, I mean, I don't know about doing the podcasting thing. 34:04.000 --> 34:05.000 I'll think about it. 34:05.000 --> 34:07.000 I like being on your podcast. 34:07.000 --> 34:09.000 Well, you can be on my podcast anytime you want. 34:09.000 --> 34:10.000 You got Skype? 34:10.000 --> 34:11.000 I have Skype, yeah. 34:11.000 --> 34:14.000 We can try getting that working for 20 minutes on my next podcast. 34:14.000 --> 34:17.000 See what crap we can go through. 34:17.000 --> 34:23.000 I really appreciate you taking the time to come down and talk about, you know, whatever. 34:23.000 --> 34:24.000 Yeah. 34:24.000 --> 34:26.000 It was worth the jet lag. 34:26.000 --> 34:27.000 Yeah, I was going to say, could you? 34:27.000 --> 34:28.000 What did you get in yesterday? 34:28.000 --> 34:29.000 Got in yesterday. 34:29.000 --> 34:30.000 So that was my jet lag day. 34:30.000 --> 34:32.000 Because I saw you with, I saw one yon. 34:32.000 --> 34:33.000 That was... 34:33.000 --> 34:34.000 I'm totally recovered. 34:34.000 --> 34:36.000 I forced myself to stay awake all day. 34:36.000 --> 34:37.000 Right. 34:37.000 --> 34:38.000 So that I would be totally set. 34:38.000 --> 34:40.000 So that way I can go tomorrow back to the day. 34:41.000 --> 34:42.000 You're going back tomorrow? 34:42.000 --> 34:43.000 Yeah. 34:43.000 --> 34:44.000 Okay. 34:44.000 --> 34:45.000 So the budget's not that big. 34:45.000 --> 34:46.000 It wired. 34:46.000 --> 34:48.000 You don't get anything else in London? 34:48.000 --> 34:49.000 No, no. 34:49.000 --> 34:50.000 I could have stayed if I wanted to. 34:50.000 --> 34:51.000 But I need to get back. 34:51.000 --> 34:54.000 Because, you know, my sweetie's having a performance on Saturday night. 34:54.000 --> 34:55.000 Really? 34:55.000 --> 34:57.000 I want to be there and, you know, support her and, you know, 34:57.000 --> 35:00.000 What does she solo or play in a band? 35:00.000 --> 35:04.000 So she runs a show called Writers With Drinks in San Francisco, 35:04.000 --> 35:07.000 which is a spoken word variety show. 35:07.000 --> 35:09.000 And she's the NFC and there's going to be a lot of great writers. 35:09.000 --> 35:11.000 Tim Stanley Robinson is going to... 35:11.000 --> 35:12.000 Hello, podcast. 35:12.000 --> 35:13.000 I know. 35:13.000 --> 35:14.000 Okay. 35:14.000 --> 35:15.000 Saturday night. 35:15.000 --> 35:16.000 Okay. 35:16.000 --> 35:17.000 At the makeout room in San Francisco. 35:17.000 --> 35:18.000 730. 35:18.000 --> 35:20.000 Tim Stanley Robinson, an awesome science fiction writer. 35:20.000 --> 35:21.000 He's going to read. 35:21.000 --> 35:23.000 There's going to be a bunch of other awesome readers. 35:23.000 --> 35:24.000 And come on. 35:24.000 --> 35:25.000 It's like three bucks to get in. 35:25.000 --> 35:26.000 Can we... 35:26.000 --> 35:28.000 I mean, this is the kind of stuff. 35:28.000 --> 35:29.000 We put a link to it on your brain. 35:29.000 --> 35:30.000 We should record this. 35:30.000 --> 35:31.000 Oh, yeah. 35:31.000 --> 35:32.000 We should record it. 35:32.000 --> 35:33.000 Fuck. 35:33.000 --> 35:34.000 This is your podcast. 35:34.000 --> 35:35.000 Yeah. 35:35.000 --> 35:36.000 Here's your drinks. 35:36.000 --> 35:37.000 No, seriously. 35:37.000 --> 35:38.000 Yeah, totally. 35:38.000 --> 35:39.000 Love that shit. 35:39.000 --> 35:40.000 That would be great. 35:40.000 --> 35:41.000 I mean... 35:41.000 --> 35:42.000 I'm going to tell Charlie. 35:42.000 --> 35:44.000 I don't know what the, you know, 35:44.000 --> 35:48.000 how would, you know, what people think about them being recorded and being podcast, 35:48.000 --> 35:49.000 but shit. 35:49.000 --> 35:51.000 What a tremendous opportunity to get this stuff out. 35:51.000 --> 35:52.000 Yeah, really. 35:52.000 --> 35:53.000 It's really good. 35:53.000 --> 35:54.000 We've had a lot of fun with this. 35:54.000 --> 35:56.000 I love spoken word type stuff. 35:56.000 --> 35:57.000 You too. 35:57.000 --> 35:59.000 Have you heard the spoken word revolution? 35:59.000 --> 36:00.000 It's an audio book. 36:00.000 --> 36:02.000 I'll send you a link. 36:02.000 --> 36:03.000 Cool. 36:03.000 --> 36:04.000 I can't. 36:04.000 --> 36:05.000 I can't. 36:05.000 --> 36:07.000 I can't. 36:08.000 --> 36:10.000 So I could digital restriction management. 36:10.000 --> 36:11.000 Exactly. 36:11.000 --> 36:13.000 Now, but that's the kind of stuff that we need more of. 36:13.000 --> 36:14.000 Yeah, we do. 36:14.000 --> 36:17.000 I mean, the thing with podcasting is it's just in its infancy. 36:17.000 --> 36:21.000 So I'm looking forward to seeing a lot more stuff like that. 36:21.000 --> 36:24.000 Like independent artists doing spoken word. 36:24.000 --> 36:29.000 You know, people bringing you news from underground communities that you don't normally hear from. 36:29.000 --> 36:31.000 And that's what I think is really great. 36:31.000 --> 36:34.000 And people broadcasting from their cars. 36:34.000 --> 36:36.000 Hey, man. 36:37.000 --> 36:38.000 And look at this gear. 36:38.000 --> 36:40.000 I should take a picture of this. 36:40.000 --> 36:42.000 I don't have a Pimp in mind. 36:42.000 --> 36:44.000 My car is pimp. 36:44.000 --> 36:46.000 I don't need anyone to pimp it anymore. 36:46.000 --> 36:48.000 He's got a studio in here. 36:48.000 --> 36:49.000 Yeah, it's pretty great. 36:49.000 --> 36:52.000 And the BBC in constant traffic updates. 36:52.000 --> 36:53.000 All right. 36:53.000 --> 36:55.000 So you need me to take you back to the station? 36:55.000 --> 36:56.000 Yeah. 36:56.000 --> 36:57.000 Yeah, that'd be great. 36:57.000 --> 36:58.000 Okay. 36:58.000 --> 36:59.000 I know what we'll do. 36:59.000 --> 37:00.000 Of course I can. 37:00.000 --> 37:03.000 You just bear with me because you know, I'm still learning this left hand. 37:03.000 --> 37:04.000 Side of the road. 37:05.000 --> 37:08.000 You've got the new Pimp and ride has to have the steering wheel on the right hand side. 37:08.000 --> 37:09.000 I think. 37:09.000 --> 37:11.000 After the leases. 37:11.000 --> 37:12.000 Oh. 37:12.000 --> 37:14.000 You don't do this by yourself. 37:14.000 --> 37:15.000 No. 37:15.000 --> 37:16.000 Do not do this at home, kid. 37:16.000 --> 37:18.000 Do not mod your car. 37:18.000 --> 37:19.000 All right. 37:19.000 --> 37:23.000 It could result in severe penalties somewhere down the line. 37:23.000 --> 37:24.000 Yeah. 37:24.000 --> 37:25.000 I think it's in the Ula. 37:25.000 --> 37:26.000 All right, Emily. 37:26.000 --> 37:28.000 Thank you very much for hanging out. 37:28.000 --> 37:29.000 Thanks very much. 37:29.000 --> 37:30.000 Come on back to source code anytime you can. 37:30.000 --> 37:31.000 Thank you.