WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:06.480 Daily source code, 126-2005. 00:06.480 --> 00:08.040 Like, you know, does Adam Curry 00:08.040 --> 00:11.320 cup his hand to his ass fart and then smell it? 00:11.320 --> 00:15.520 Adam, the listeners of the Daily Download want to know. 00:15.520 --> 00:18.320 Autistic, it's Adam Curry. 00:18.320 --> 00:21.400 It is Thursday, January 27th. 00:21.400 --> 00:24.160 The power of the door, the door, the door. 00:24.160 --> 00:25.720 Everybody, how you doing? 00:25.720 --> 00:28.120 Is Adam Curry coming to you from Curry Cottage 00:28.120 --> 00:31.240 in the affluent Surrey Subber? 00:31.240 --> 00:34.440 Sorry, Surrey Subber called Gilford. 00:34.440 --> 00:36.600 It's almost 10am. 00:36.600 --> 00:39.080 It is Thursday, January 27th. 00:39.080 --> 00:40.880 It's 2005. 00:44.880 --> 00:47.520 I was just a little snippet from the Daily Download. 00:47.520 --> 00:49.320 The answer, of course, is yes. 00:49.320 --> 00:51.320 Of course, I'd love to be on your show. 00:51.320 --> 00:57.320 I cannot imagine anything higher in life for me than you. 00:58.200 --> 01:00.040 Sitting in my bathroom studio, 01:00.040 --> 01:01.680 Skyping to your bathroom studio. 01:01.680 --> 01:03.960 I mean, that would be fantastic. 01:03.960 --> 01:05.880 All right, today's source code, as promised, 01:05.880 --> 01:07.400 a little bit different today. 01:07.400 --> 01:10.040 We're not going to do a sound scene tour. 01:10.040 --> 01:12.440 You know, we try to vary the format from time to time. 01:12.440 --> 01:17.480 Today is just going to be a conversation with Ken Clark. 01:17.480 --> 01:18.280 I told you about him. 01:18.280 --> 01:20.160 He worked at MTV for 20 years. 01:23.160 --> 01:27.720 Now, I've worked with Ken for at least 15 of those 20 years. 01:27.800 --> 01:29.240 Maybe even a little bit more. 01:29.240 --> 01:31.880 He's, we have a state mogul right now 01:31.880 --> 01:33.880 of in Portland, Oregon. 01:33.880 --> 01:38.840 And we decided that we would just shoot the shit a little bit 01:38.840 --> 01:40.360 about the old MTV days. 01:40.360 --> 01:43.400 Actually, it started with the Carson Daily song 01:43.400 --> 01:47.480 that I played the other day, where we wanted to figure out 01:47.480 --> 01:50.520 where all the MTV VJs have gone. 01:50.520 --> 01:54.040 It turns out there are actually 37 different VJs 01:54.040 --> 01:57.240 that can us work within the past 20 years. 01:57.240 --> 01:58.920 A lot of this conversation, I got actually 01:58.920 --> 02:00.920 let Patricia listen to it yesterday. 02:00.920 --> 02:03.320 Some of it's a bit inside. 02:03.320 --> 02:04.600 But let me know what you think about it. 02:04.600 --> 02:05.880 We should continue because, of course, 02:05.880 --> 02:07.800 we only got like eight of the 37 people. 02:07.800 --> 02:09.560 So if you think it's worth continuing, 02:09.560 --> 02:11.880 let me know at curry.com. 02:11.880 --> 02:13.080 Enjoy this. 02:13.080 --> 02:22.360 On the Skype call now is someone who literally lived in my house 02:22.360 --> 02:27.160 more than I did for a number of years. 02:27.160 --> 02:31.160 Who, who nannied me when necessary. 02:34.200 --> 02:39.880 And is one of the unsung heroes of the breakthrough of MTV. 02:40.840 --> 02:43.800 My friend and colleague, and this thing was gentleman 02:43.800 --> 02:45.960 from somewhere with the West Coast, where the fuck is it? 02:45.960 --> 02:46.520 Portland. 02:46.520 --> 02:47.480 That's Portland. 02:47.480 --> 02:48.760 Portland, Oregon. 02:48.760 --> 02:50.920 Canster J, Ken Clark. 02:50.920 --> 02:52.280 Welcome everybody. 02:52.280 --> 02:53.960 Yeah, I'm here everybody. 02:53.960 --> 02:56.680 So I actually have Skype recording for the first time. 02:56.840 --> 02:59.560 Maybe it's the good karma you're bringing me. 02:59.560 --> 03:01.240 Well, we'll see how it goes. 03:01.240 --> 03:03.720 Immediately it started skipping. 03:03.720 --> 03:07.240 Of course, of course. 03:07.240 --> 03:09.000 Okay, Ken. 03:09.000 --> 03:10.120 Let me set this up. 03:10.120 --> 03:11.240 Let me set this up. 03:11.240 --> 03:12.360 In our bad weeks with Skype. 03:12.360 --> 03:14.760 Yeah, this is going pretty good so far. 03:14.760 --> 03:16.600 Let me set this up. 03:16.600 --> 03:22.360 I met you in 1987, Halloween around Halloween of 1987. 03:22.360 --> 03:28.680 When I arrived on Ellis Island from from the Nether regions, 03:28.680 --> 03:32.360 the lowlands and with my girlfriend, with my girlfriend, 03:32.360 --> 03:35.000 she wasn't even my fiance then. 03:35.000 --> 03:38.440 She's my girlfriend Patricia. 03:38.440 --> 03:41.480 And that's when I started at MTV. 03:41.480 --> 03:43.240 And what was your title at the time, Ken? 03:43.240 --> 03:45.400 Was it, what was the official title? 03:45.400 --> 03:45.880 It started. 03:45.880 --> 03:49.000 I was probably VJ coordinator. 03:49.640 --> 03:52.760 I'm going to crank your level up a little bit here. 03:52.760 --> 03:54.360 VJ coordinator. 03:54.360 --> 03:56.520 That's a sucky title. 03:56.520 --> 04:00.600 Well, later I, it was, uh, I got promoted to manager of on air talent. 04:00.600 --> 04:03.720 Did you get a, did you get a pay raise with that? 04:03.720 --> 04:04.520 A little bit. 04:04.520 --> 04:07.240 MTV was never famous for paying well though. 04:07.240 --> 04:08.760 I actually told everyone the other day. 04:08.760 --> 04:09.560 Yeah. 04:09.560 --> 04:11.160 Yeah, I heard you talking about it. 04:11.160 --> 04:12.120 You did okay. 04:12.120 --> 04:15.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard you talking about it. 04:15.960 --> 04:17.960 You did better than me, too. 04:17.960 --> 04:23.960 The very first VJ started for like 4550,000 bucks back in 1981. 04:23.960 --> 04:24.760 1981. 04:24.760 --> 04:26.120 August 1st, 1981. 04:26.120 --> 04:29.960 Yeah, and by the time you guys came around, everybody, you know, 04:29.960 --> 04:33.960 was pretty staggered that it had gone way over $100,000. 04:33.960 --> 04:34.760 Yeah. 04:34.760 --> 04:37.400 But I think I made the most of all the, uh, 04:37.400 --> 04:38.520 I made more than Julie Brown. 04:38.520 --> 04:40.360 Tell me I did. 04:40.360 --> 04:41.960 I think you probably did in the end. 04:41.960 --> 04:42.360 Yeah. 04:42.360 --> 04:45.720 You guys both ended up with kind of weird deals. 04:45.720 --> 04:47.720 You were only doing certain shows, certain things. 04:47.720 --> 04:48.760 I mean, I had no show. 04:48.760 --> 04:49.960 I got fucking fired. 04:49.960 --> 04:51.720 We, I got fired 25 times. 04:51.720 --> 04:53.720 Well, yeah, but I mean, 04:53.720 --> 04:55.720 we did go back after a while and 04:55.720 --> 04:56.720 I feel like a week. 04:56.720 --> 04:59.720 I didn't do them like the top 20 countdown once a week. 04:59.720 --> 05:01.720 Because they couldn't find anyone to do it. 05:01.720 --> 05:03.720 Well, yeah. 05:03.720 --> 05:05.720 They still haven't apparently. 05:05.720 --> 05:07.720 But you already work out for one then, right? 05:07.720 --> 05:08.720 You already working for me. 05:08.720 --> 05:09.720 So what happened is Ken? 05:09.720 --> 05:10.720 Yeah, that point. 05:10.720 --> 05:11.720 Yes. 05:11.720 --> 05:12.720 When did you start? 05:12.720 --> 05:14.720 This is, we're never going to be able to fit this in 45 minutes. 05:14.720 --> 05:16.720 When did you start at MTV? 05:16.720 --> 05:18.720 Because it must have been a couple years before I got there. 05:18.720 --> 05:24.720 I started at MTV on New Year's Eve, 1984, 85. 05:24.720 --> 05:26.720 I flew into New York like the day after Christmas. 05:26.720 --> 05:28.720 I was supposed to start in January. 05:28.720 --> 05:31.720 They called me up on New Year's Eve day and said, 05:31.720 --> 05:32.720 We're short staff. 05:32.720 --> 05:33.720 Come down here. 05:33.720 --> 05:35.720 We're doing our live New Year's Eve ball. 05:35.720 --> 05:38.720 That was 1984 and 1985 New Year's Eve. 05:38.720 --> 05:40.720 Goddamn. 05:40.720 --> 05:41.720 Wow. 05:41.720 --> 05:43.720 And so that was with the original guys. 05:43.720 --> 05:44.720 Oh, yeah. 05:44.720 --> 05:46.720 Everyone thinks I'm one of the original VJs. 05:46.720 --> 05:48.720 And I keep telling him, well, you were around two. 05:48.720 --> 05:49.720 Yeah. 05:49.720 --> 05:52.720 But that was when MTV really exploded into 40 million households. 05:52.720 --> 05:53.720 Yeah. 05:53.720 --> 05:54.720 Yeah. 05:54.720 --> 05:55.720 Definitely. 05:55.720 --> 05:56.720 You guys were there for that. 05:56.720 --> 05:57.720 The first group. 05:57.720 --> 05:58.720 But you know, Martha stayed on. 05:58.720 --> 05:59.720 I think longer than anybody else. 05:59.720 --> 06:03.720 But the majority of everybody else were gone within the first five years. 06:03.720 --> 06:04.720 And it was. 06:04.720 --> 06:10.720 Off to a lustreous careers elsewhere between Channel 66 and 68 UHF. 06:10.720 --> 06:11.720 Well, it's interesting. 06:12.720 --> 06:15.720 I made a couple of years ago, MTV few years ago. 06:15.720 --> 06:18.720 Actually, MTV brought me back a couple of times to do those. 06:18.720 --> 06:20.720 I was an MTV VJ specialist. 06:20.720 --> 06:21.720 I know you came back to. 06:21.720 --> 06:22.720 It was one of them. 06:22.720 --> 06:23.720 Yeah, one. 06:23.720 --> 06:24.720 Yeah. 06:24.720 --> 06:25.720 What was that? 06:25.720 --> 06:26.720 It was was it some anniversary. 06:26.720 --> 06:28.720 It was an MTV VJ two. 06:28.720 --> 06:30.720 And you were at on ramp at the time. 06:30.720 --> 06:31.720 And I was already here in Oregon. 06:31.720 --> 06:32.720 I flew back to do it. 06:32.720 --> 06:37.720 But for that show, I had prepared a list of everybody that I could think of. 06:37.720 --> 06:40.720 That I had worked with as a VJ over the. 06:40.720 --> 06:41.720 I was 10 years that I was there. 06:41.720 --> 06:43.720 So I come prepared at least with a list of people. 06:43.720 --> 06:44.720 Because there's names on this list. 06:44.720 --> 06:45.720 I don't even remember. 06:45.720 --> 06:48.720 I remember like who the hell was Tricksie. 06:48.720 --> 06:49.720 Tricksie. 06:49.720 --> 06:50.720 I remember Tricksie. 06:50.720 --> 06:51.720 Sure. 06:51.720 --> 06:52.720 Andrew Dado. 06:52.720 --> 06:53.720 There's another one for you. 06:53.720 --> 06:54.720 He's on the list. 06:54.720 --> 06:55.720 I've got him on the list. 06:55.720 --> 06:56.720 Ah. 06:56.720 --> 06:57.720 You know. 06:57.720 --> 06:58.720 I'm sorry. 06:58.720 --> 06:59.720 Wendy Westbrook. 06:59.720 --> 07:00.720 Oh, she was cute. 07:00.720 --> 07:01.720 Wasn't she in like a kind of a. 07:01.720 --> 07:02.720 I don't know. 07:02.720 --> 07:03.720 She was. 07:03.720 --> 07:04.720 She was. 07:04.720 --> 07:05.720 Yeah. 07:05.720 --> 07:06.720 No, no. 07:06.720 --> 07:07.720 She was. 07:07.720 --> 07:08.720 She was. 07:08.720 --> 07:09.720 She was someone. 07:10.720 --> 07:11.720 It's Wendy Westbrook. 07:11.720 --> 07:12.720 Everybody. 07:12.720 --> 07:13.720 I do it. 07:13.720 --> 07:14.720 Yes. 07:14.720 --> 07:15.720 She was a radio chick. 07:15.720 --> 07:16.720 That's why yes. 07:16.720 --> 07:17.720 Like kind of a Tom Boyer's thing. 07:17.720 --> 07:18.720 Yeah. 07:18.720 --> 07:19.720 Radio chicks are kind of Tom Boyer's. 07:19.720 --> 07:20.720 Yeah. 07:20.720 --> 07:21.720 Well, there's a long list of names here. 07:21.720 --> 07:24.720 And the post MTV successes you pointed out. 07:24.720 --> 07:27.720 The other day has been pretty disastrous. 07:27.720 --> 07:30.720 Well, it's so hard. 07:30.720 --> 07:35.720 You know, it's like, you know that once you've been an MTV VJ, you basically can't 07:35.720 --> 07:37.720 be anything else but that. 07:37.720 --> 07:38.720 It's certainly not in show business. 07:38.720 --> 07:42.720 I don't think I got what I got on the swamp thing. 07:42.720 --> 07:44.720 I had a pretty successful radio career. 07:44.720 --> 07:45.720 But that was. 07:45.720 --> 07:47.720 The thing I hate about still have that somewhere. 07:47.720 --> 07:48.720 God, the swamp thing. 07:48.720 --> 07:49.720 I'm sure I have the video. 07:49.720 --> 07:50.720 It's a great episode. 07:50.720 --> 07:54.720 Christina could watch it for the longest time because it actually scared her. 07:54.720 --> 07:55.720 It scared her. 07:55.720 --> 07:56.720 Yes. 07:56.720 --> 07:57.720 She thought it was very crap. 07:57.720 --> 07:58.720 It was funny crap. 07:58.720 --> 07:59.720 But it was crap. 07:59.720 --> 08:00.720 Awesome. 08:00.720 --> 08:01.720 I was. 08:01.720 --> 08:02.720 I was good. 08:02.720 --> 08:03.720 I was good. 08:03.720 --> 08:05.720 I was good. 08:05.720 --> 08:07.720 Like washed up rock star. 08:07.720 --> 08:08.720 Uh-huh. 08:08.720 --> 08:12.720 Talk about your type casting. 08:12.720 --> 08:17.720 But yeah, I mean, you know, there have been some people like Daisy. 08:17.720 --> 08:20.720 You know, he said, she had a lot of success. 08:20.720 --> 08:23.720 Certainly after she hooked up modeling. 08:23.720 --> 08:25.720 What's his name? 08:25.720 --> 08:27.720 Miguel Luis Miguel or whatever. 08:27.720 --> 08:29.720 Yeah, but she was already doing it. 08:29.720 --> 08:31.720 I think she was a ravlon girl. 08:31.720 --> 08:34.720 I've always, always, always love Daisy. 08:35.720 --> 08:36.720 I did too. 08:36.720 --> 08:38.720 She was a really, really cool chick. 08:38.720 --> 08:39.720 Yeah. 08:39.720 --> 08:40.720 And she was gorgeous. 08:40.720 --> 08:41.720 Yeah. 08:41.720 --> 08:42.720 And she let me feel her. 08:42.720 --> 08:43.720 Yeah. 08:43.720 --> 08:49.720 We had Nina Allen, Mark J.J. and Martha were the original five MTV VJs. 08:49.720 --> 08:54.720 Martha has retired and is got two kids and lives in Malibu with her husband. 08:54.720 --> 08:55.720 Really? 08:55.720 --> 08:56.720 Really? 08:56.720 --> 08:59.720 And commercial soundtracks and Martha really doesn't have a big desire to work. 08:59.720 --> 09:01.720 She's really happy being a mom. 09:01.720 --> 09:02.720 Would she live in the cage? 09:02.720 --> 09:04.720 Well, we were not to fast, not to fast. 09:04.720 --> 09:05.720 Okay. 09:05.720 --> 09:06.720 Does she live in the colony? 09:06.720 --> 09:07.720 Of Malibu? 09:07.720 --> 09:08.720 Of Malibu? 09:08.720 --> 09:09.720 In the colony? 09:09.720 --> 09:10.720 Yeah. 09:10.720 --> 09:11.720 I don't know exactly. 09:11.720 --> 09:14.720 They just moved to Malibu from the Hollywood Hills this last summer. 09:14.720 --> 09:15.720 Hmm. 09:15.720 --> 09:16.720 Okay. 09:16.720 --> 09:17.720 How old are kids? 09:17.720 --> 09:20.720 So kids are like eight nine from like that? 09:20.720 --> 09:21.720 Oh, God. 09:21.720 --> 09:24.720 You know, I just don't know with Martha and the kids at this zoo. 09:24.720 --> 09:27.720 No, her youngest is like three or four. 09:27.720 --> 09:28.720 Probably three-ish. 09:28.720 --> 09:31.720 And then the older is six, seven. 09:32.720 --> 09:34.720 For extra points, what are their names? 09:34.720 --> 09:37.720 Maizee and Dylan. 09:37.720 --> 09:38.720 Oh, okay. 09:38.720 --> 09:39.720 Cool. 09:39.720 --> 09:41.720 And we're talking out at the Central Park Zoo. 09:41.720 --> 09:43.720 And our husband's nice, school. 09:43.720 --> 09:44.720 Yeah. 09:44.720 --> 09:51.720 Jordan Tarlo used to be the guitarist for a band called The Fuzz Tones, which were an early 120-minute 09:51.720 --> 09:52.720 MTV band. 09:52.720 --> 09:53.720 Oh. 09:53.720 --> 09:54.720 Yeah. 09:54.720 --> 09:59.720 They met, you know, it was funny because everybody thought Nina was the party girl. 09:59.720 --> 10:02.720 And Martha was the girl next door when, in fact, Nina was born. 10:02.720 --> 10:04.720 And it was the home body. 10:04.720 --> 10:05.720 Yeah. 10:05.720 --> 10:08.720 And Martha was going out with stiff baders from large of the new church. 10:08.720 --> 10:09.720 Oh, that's right. 10:09.720 --> 10:10.720 What was this? 10:10.720 --> 10:11.720 What was the song? 10:11.720 --> 10:12.720 Stuff in Martha's muffin. 10:12.720 --> 10:13.720 What was that? 10:13.720 --> 10:14.720 Stuff in Martha's muffin. 10:14.720 --> 10:15.720 I can't remember who did that. 10:15.720 --> 10:16.720 It was. 10:16.720 --> 10:17.720 Fuck. 10:17.720 --> 10:20.720 Wasn't that from the Georgia's not Georgia satellites? 10:20.720 --> 10:21.720 When it was me. 10:21.720 --> 10:22.720 It'll come to me when Roger. 10:22.720 --> 10:24.720 George Thurgood or something like that? 10:24.720 --> 10:25.720 I don't know. 10:25.720 --> 10:27.720 Brittany Spears. 10:27.720 --> 10:28.720 Abba. 10:28.720 --> 10:31.720 So that's Martha. 10:31.720 --> 10:38.720 But of the remaining four Nina Mark and JJ all ended up going back into radio. 10:38.720 --> 10:41.720 You know, Nina spent a couple years on entertainment tonight. 10:41.720 --> 10:42.720 And I think she did solve it. 10:42.720 --> 10:43.720 Wait a minute. 10:43.720 --> 10:44.720 Wait a minute. 10:44.720 --> 10:45.720 Didn't. 10:45.720 --> 10:46.720 Was it with Martha one second? 10:46.720 --> 10:48.720 Didn't she do a nagsima commercial? 10:48.720 --> 10:49.720 Yeah. 10:49.720 --> 10:50.720 That was she did. 10:50.720 --> 10:53.720 She did a few commercials after she left. 10:53.720 --> 10:55.720 Did she ever do like time life? 10:55.720 --> 10:56.720 Time life things. 10:56.720 --> 10:58.720 Collections CDs. 10:58.720 --> 10:59.720 She may have. 10:59.720 --> 11:03.720 I know Mark Goodman and Ellen and Ellen Hunter both did because I remember sitting up late party 11:03.720 --> 11:05.720 and at like two in the morning and watching my my buddies. 11:05.720 --> 11:08.720 Fuck time like time life products. 11:20.720 --> 11:21.720 I never did. 11:21.720 --> 11:22.720 I never did. 11:22.720 --> 11:25.720 I placed paid the extra money so I could fly first class. 11:25.720 --> 11:27.720 I just thought, you know, I did certain places. 11:27.720 --> 11:29.720 I, you know, if you're a celebrity, you just have to. 11:29.720 --> 11:30.720 I can't find it. 11:30.720 --> 11:31.720 I can't find it. 11:31.720 --> 11:34.720 Well, there was a day when MTV flew all of their talent first class. 11:34.720 --> 11:37.720 And, you know, that was before they got cheated. 11:37.720 --> 11:42.720 It was corporate and they ruined it. 11:42.720 --> 11:43.720 It was so much. 11:43.720 --> 11:44.720 There were stupid rules. 11:44.720 --> 11:47.720 You know, like if the flight is less than three hours it has to. 11:47.720 --> 11:48.720 I remember that. 11:48.720 --> 11:49.720 Oh, yeah. 11:49.720 --> 11:50.720 And here was the caveat. 11:50.720 --> 11:51.720 And less. 11:51.720 --> 11:53.720 There's another VJ on the plane. 11:53.720 --> 11:55.720 Who is entitled to first class? 11:55.720 --> 11:56.720 It's that point. 11:56.720 --> 11:59.720 I was to bump the person in coach up to first class. 11:59.720 --> 12:00.720 So anyone. 12:00.720 --> 12:01.720 Everyone wanted to fly away. 12:01.720 --> 12:09.720 No, they take you aside and they say, now you just don't ever put a VJ in coach on the same plane with somebody in first and we don't ever have to go there. 12:09.720 --> 12:10.720 So yeah, exactly. 12:10.720 --> 12:15.720 Certain people got to fly with their makeup artists and, you know, did their makeup artists fly from them. 12:15.720 --> 12:16.720 Julie Brown. 12:16.720 --> 12:22.720 And you know, I love Julie, but I spent a great deal of time negotiating crap over who flew. 12:22.720 --> 12:23.720 Where? 12:23.720 --> 12:24.720 Oh, my. 12:24.720 --> 12:25.720 I remember that. 12:25.720 --> 12:26.720 I remember the angst. 12:26.720 --> 12:28.720 I remember seeing it on your face. 12:28.720 --> 12:30.720 It was just ridiculous. 12:30.720 --> 12:32.720 You know, I was just like, get on the plane. 12:32.720 --> 12:33.720 You know, you got to show. 12:33.720 --> 12:35.720 I take it on the plane. 12:35.720 --> 12:37.720 Wait, you're going way too fast. 12:37.720 --> 12:40.720 I mean, listen, we got to talk about Ted Demi. 12:40.720 --> 12:43.720 We got to talk about Rick Kalman. 12:43.720 --> 12:45.720 I mean, we can't just talk about the VJs. 12:45.720 --> 12:47.720 I mean, there's a lot of people. 12:47.720 --> 12:50.720 I guess I was following up on your point. 12:51.720 --> 12:54.720 The track record for VJs has been made. 12:54.720 --> 12:55.720 That's right. 12:55.720 --> 12:56.720 Let's go. 12:56.720 --> 13:00.720 Let's say when say there is certain people like Nina Allen. 13:00.720 --> 13:01.720 Well, JJ died. 13:01.720 --> 13:04.720 Nina Mark and JJ all got into radio. 13:04.720 --> 13:05.720 JJ unfortunately. 13:05.720 --> 13:08.720 Yes, passed away last March. 13:08.720 --> 13:16.720 But the original for a VJ is now three minus JJ and Martha, who's retired are doing a serious 13:21.720 --> 13:30.720 video network best of the eight. 13:30.720 --> 13:33.720 Are on on one satellite channel? 13:33.720 --> 13:34.720 Yes. 13:34.720 --> 13:36.720 Interesting. 13:36.720 --> 13:39.720 And so it's like 80 all eighties. 13:39.720 --> 13:40.720 Yeah. 13:40.720 --> 13:41.720 I keep getting those offers. 13:41.720 --> 13:43.720 I get offers like that all the time. 13:43.720 --> 13:45.720 People want me to, you know, host eighties. 13:45.720 --> 13:47.720 Everything from eighties, sock hops. 13:48.720 --> 13:52.720 Well, I tell you they, you know, they pay what they pay really well. 13:52.720 --> 13:54.720 Allen I've been talking to. 13:54.720 --> 13:55.720 Allen's the whole other story. 13:55.720 --> 13:56.720 That's interesting. 13:56.720 --> 13:59.720 He owns a film company. 13:59.720 --> 14:01.720 I remember because I hooked up with him with that. 14:01.720 --> 14:03.720 I was an MTV VJ too. 14:03.720 --> 14:05.720 And he was telling me about it. 14:05.720 --> 14:07.720 It seemed like he was into some pretty interesting shit. 14:07.720 --> 14:08.720 Oh, Allen's rock. 14:08.720 --> 14:12.720 And he's got a hell of a place set up down in Birmingham, Alabama. 14:12.720 --> 14:14.720 How about that's where he was from. 14:14.720 --> 14:16.720 And, you know, Allen's doing really good. 14:16.720 --> 14:18.720 But he said, you know, he sits down once a week. 14:18.720 --> 14:20.720 And he does the segments there and his computer. 14:20.720 --> 14:24.720 And they get, you know, voice over IP, off the serious. 14:24.720 --> 14:26.720 And, you know, that's it. 14:26.720 --> 14:27.720 Done boom. 14:27.720 --> 14:28.720 That's a thanks man hour. 14:28.720 --> 14:29.720 Right. 14:29.720 --> 14:30.720 Jack's Berlin. 14:30.720 --> 14:32.720 Cool. 14:32.720 --> 14:36.720 So that's pretty much it for that group. 14:36.720 --> 14:37.720 And then there was. 14:37.720 --> 14:40.720 But do they identify themselves as a high? 14:40.720 --> 14:42.720 I'm not a good man. 14:42.720 --> 14:43.720 I'm sorry. 14:43.720 --> 14:44.720 Allen Hunter. 14:44.720 --> 14:45.720 I doubt it. 14:46.720 --> 14:47.720 I'm out on Hunter. 14:47.720 --> 14:48.720 And I used to be on MTV. 14:48.720 --> 14:50.720 Can they say that they were on MTV? 14:50.720 --> 14:51.720 Do they do that? 14:51.720 --> 14:52.720 And not show? 14:52.720 --> 14:53.720 Because, you know, that was a big problem. 14:53.720 --> 14:54.720 They probably do. 14:54.720 --> 14:55.720 They must. 14:55.720 --> 14:56.720 But you remember when you do 100. 14:56.720 --> 14:59.720 Do you remember how pissed off everybody was coming? 14:59.720 --> 15:00.720 I'm sorry. 15:00.720 --> 15:01.720 I'm sorry. 15:01.720 --> 15:02.720 You're my guest. 15:02.720 --> 15:03.720 Please go ahead. 15:03.720 --> 15:05.720 Well, I stepped on you. 15:05.720 --> 15:08.720 All I was going to say is if you go to serious.com and look it up. 15:08.720 --> 15:09.720 It's like best of the 80s. 15:09.720 --> 15:13.720 And it completely identifies them as the original MTV VJs. 15:13.720 --> 15:14.720 Okay. 15:15.720 --> 15:18.720 Now, do you remember how much shit I got from MTV? 15:18.720 --> 15:23.720 Because I would be identified as Adam Curry from MTV on the radio. 15:23.720 --> 15:24.720 Yeah. 15:24.720 --> 15:29.720 But at one point it got negotiated that you were allowed to mention your TV guy. 15:29.720 --> 15:30.720 I think. 15:30.720 --> 15:31.720 Oh, that's right. 15:31.720 --> 15:33.720 I was on the on TV. 15:33.720 --> 15:34.720 Yeah. 15:34.720 --> 15:38.720 And then in return, you would plug your MTV shows on your. 15:38.720 --> 15:40.720 I was probably the top 30 hit list. 15:40.720 --> 15:41.720 Yeah. 15:41.720 --> 15:42.720 God. 15:42.720 --> 15:43.720 I negotiated that. 15:43.720 --> 15:44.720 Yeah. 15:44.720 --> 15:45.720 Very good. 15:45.720 --> 15:47.720 Carefully negotiated cross mentions. 15:47.720 --> 15:49.720 You know, can by the way. 15:49.720 --> 15:51.720 Once you with me. 15:51.720 --> 15:54.720 Uh, during the MTV.com lawsuit. 15:54.720 --> 15:55.720 Oh, goodness. 15:55.720 --> 15:56.720 Yes. 15:56.720 --> 15:57.720 Yeah. 15:57.720 --> 15:58.720 You, you, you, you, you still have all that crap can. 15:58.720 --> 15:59.720 I moved it with me. 15:59.720 --> 16:01.720 I have all that fucking shit. 16:01.720 --> 16:03.720 The cases of files. 16:03.720 --> 16:04.720 Yep. 16:04.720 --> 16:06.720 I haven't even the, the three and a half inch floppies. 16:06.720 --> 16:07.720 All the printouts. 16:07.720 --> 16:09.720 All the legal documents. 16:09.720 --> 16:10.720 Joe Donnelly. 16:10.720 --> 16:11.720 Remember him? 16:11.720 --> 16:16.720 I was just going to say that lawsuit proved one thing if one thing only. 16:16.720 --> 16:19.720 It really pays to have a really, really, really good lawyer. 16:19.720 --> 16:20.720 Yeah. 16:20.720 --> 16:23.720 And we really pay him a shitload of money too. 16:23.720 --> 16:26.720 Well, I don't know. 16:26.720 --> 16:29.720 We're like $250,000. 16:29.720 --> 16:33.720 I don't think MTV thought that, you know, you would, I, I think, you know, 16:33.720 --> 16:35.720 Viacom and MTV typically in those situations. 16:35.720 --> 16:38.720 Expect the little guy to curl up in a ball and say you win, you win, I give. 16:38.720 --> 16:40.720 You know, they should have just asked for the asked for it. 16:40.720 --> 16:42.720 If they'd asked me, I would have given it to you. 16:42.720 --> 16:43.720 You didn't. 16:43.720 --> 16:46.720 You know, I think you surprised them because you didn't curl up in a ball. 16:46.720 --> 16:48.720 That's, that's I think we can probably say that. 16:48.720 --> 16:49.720 But I totally pulled it. 16:49.720 --> 16:51.720 David and Goliath in the press on them. 16:51.720 --> 16:52.720 That work pretty well. 16:52.720 --> 16:53.720 Exactly. 16:53.720 --> 16:55.720 And in fact, it was the pressing me. 16:55.720 --> 17:01.720 It was probably the best thing for, for getting you in the press and launching your new endeavor, 17:01.720 --> 17:04.720 which was the web and on ramp after MTV. 17:04.720 --> 17:08.720 The press that came out of that was the best press that money could buy. 17:08.720 --> 17:09.720 That's right. 17:09.720 --> 17:12.720 You haven't even been looking good no matter what anybody said. 17:12.720 --> 17:15.720 You came off looking good and it came off looking good. 17:15.720 --> 17:16.720 Like fucker. 17:16.720 --> 17:17.720 Yeah. 17:17.720 --> 17:19.720 Do you have any press clippings still? 17:19.720 --> 17:20.720 Yeah. 17:20.720 --> 17:21.720 I've got boxes of stuff. 17:21.720 --> 17:25.720 Do you have any of those particular press clippings? 17:25.720 --> 17:26.720 Yeah. 17:26.720 --> 17:27.720 Then I'm not sure about that. 17:27.720 --> 17:28.720 That was in a separate file. 17:28.720 --> 17:29.720 We're depressing. 17:29.720 --> 17:30.720 I'm sorry. 17:30.720 --> 17:31.720 I'm sorry. 17:31.720 --> 17:32.720 We're digressing. 17:32.720 --> 17:34.720 That would be somewhere else like in a curry co-on ramp. 17:34.720 --> 17:36.720 A few ideas of file. 17:36.720 --> 17:38.720 I've got the MTV files here. 17:38.720 --> 17:39.720 Yeah. 17:39.720 --> 17:40.720 Okay. 17:40.720 --> 17:43.720 I still have boxes and boxes of three quarter inch tape, too. 17:43.720 --> 17:46.720 And there's some really funny stuff on them if they haven't molded. 17:46.720 --> 17:49.720 You know, I have the outtake reel. 17:49.720 --> 17:52.720 I have, that's the one that we're Julie says. 17:52.720 --> 17:53.720 Kiss my clip. 17:53.720 --> 17:54.720 I have that one. 17:54.720 --> 17:56.720 It's a great reel. 17:56.720 --> 17:57.720 I love that reel. 17:57.720 --> 17:58.720 And Kevin Seal. 17:58.720 --> 17:59.720 Kevin Seal is like, 17:59.720 --> 18:01.720 She got all Dave Diner account too. 18:01.720 --> 18:02.720 Yeah. 18:02.720 --> 18:03.720 Dave Diner. 18:03.720 --> 18:04.720 That's right. 18:04.720 --> 18:05.720 Dave Diner was a four manager. 18:05.720 --> 18:06.720 I like Dave Diner. 18:07.720 --> 18:08.720 I liked him. 18:08.720 --> 18:10.720 He reminded me of my dad. 18:10.720 --> 18:11.720 He was very dry. 18:11.720 --> 18:12.720 Very dry. 18:12.720 --> 18:13.720 He was cool. 18:13.720 --> 18:14.720 Yeah. 18:14.720 --> 18:15.720 He was all right. 18:15.720 --> 18:16.720 He made me laugh. 18:16.720 --> 18:17.720 Gosh, man. 18:17.720 --> 18:18.720 Well, some of them were poor in our camera. 18:18.720 --> 18:20.720 I wonder if Warren is still on camera. 18:20.720 --> 18:21.720 I bet you. 18:21.720 --> 18:24.720 Warren or Celeste has probably still there. 18:24.720 --> 18:25.720 You know, shriveled up in a corner. 18:25.720 --> 18:26.720 Camp. 18:26.720 --> 18:29.720 It's got to be on a handheld with a tripod. 18:29.720 --> 18:33.720 You know, because MTV, they wouldn't really want to do things to you. 18:33.720 --> 18:35.720 Either you aged at twice to speed or it stopped you from 18:35.720 --> 18:37.720 aging during the time you were there. 18:37.720 --> 18:38.720 That's right. 18:38.720 --> 18:40.720 For you, for the good people, 18:40.720 --> 18:43.720 it stopped us from aging during the time we were there. 18:43.720 --> 18:44.720 Yeah. 18:44.720 --> 18:45.720 Well, you know, 18:45.720 --> 18:48.720 you were talking about the camera people. 18:48.720 --> 18:49.720 Operators. 18:49.720 --> 18:50.720 And not only them, but, you know, 18:50.720 --> 18:51.720 Jeff on Cairon, you know, 18:51.720 --> 18:53.720 the, the Cairon is the, 18:53.720 --> 18:54.720 that's what they bring, you know, 18:54.720 --> 18:55.720 the letters they bring up. 18:55.720 --> 18:56.720 So, you know, 18:56.720 --> 18:57.720 with your name or whatever. 18:57.720 --> 18:58.720 And we had a great guy, 18:58.720 --> 18:59.720 the Cairon operator Jeff, 18:59.720 --> 19:00.720 because he couldn't spell. 19:00.720 --> 19:01.720 That was like, 19:06.720 --> 19:07.720 You know, 19:12.720 --> 19:15.720 like the first required because it was, 19:15.720 --> 19:16.720 it was, you know, 19:16.720 --> 19:18.720 and Rick would audio and just a feedback with the crew. 19:18.720 --> 19:19.720 Otherwise, 19:19.720 --> 19:21.720 you're sitting there and a fucking dead studio. 19:21.720 --> 19:24.720 Talking shit without seeing the videos, you know? 19:24.720 --> 19:25.720 Have you talked to Rick recently? 19:25.720 --> 19:26.720 You keep sending that. 19:26.720 --> 19:28.720 I mean, 19:28.720 --> 19:29.720 I have more recently than I have, I think. 19:29.720 --> 19:31.720 I looked up a couple. 19:31.720 --> 19:33.720 He visited you once in Amsterdam. 19:33.720 --> 19:34.720 I think that was, 19:34.720 --> 19:41.720 That was, oh, that was a well back, but I saw him in New York and we kept in touch a little bit, he's a sex-fiend. 19:41.720 --> 19:43.720 I got, he's in all kinds of... 19:43.720 --> 19:45.720 Yeah, I don't know. 19:45.720 --> 19:46.720 He's always into somebody. 19:46.720 --> 19:50.720 He's married for a long time and had a lovely wife and a lovely relationship. 19:50.720 --> 19:55.720 Joe and I decided he wanted to have sex with lesbians. 19:55.720 --> 19:57.720 And I'm like, yeah, I get it. 19:57.720 --> 19:58.720 Lesbians Swedish made. 19:58.720 --> 20:00.720 Yeah, she was cool. 20:01.720 --> 20:06.720 Anyway, so, um, who was next? 20:06.720 --> 20:09.720 Then I came in to talk about women. 20:09.720 --> 20:11.720 You, you, you don't have never asked you, will you? 20:11.720 --> 20:14.720 I've never asked you exactly what that was like from your end. 20:14.720 --> 20:15.720 I remember coming in. 20:15.720 --> 20:16.720 I remember my first day. 20:16.720 --> 20:18.720 I remember what it was like. 20:18.720 --> 20:22.720 But I don't think you've ever told me what it was like on the other side. 20:22.720 --> 20:25.720 Because, you know, they've apparently hired some geek. 20:26.720 --> 20:36.720 I remember you and Julie and Daisy and Kevin Seel starting probably more than anybody else, 20:36.720 --> 20:39.720 because down the road after that, they kept turning over. 20:39.720 --> 20:41.720 And you know, I hear a comes another one. 20:41.720 --> 20:43.720 So, who did you come in? 20:43.720 --> 20:45.720 Oh, Kevin Seel came in first, I bet, right? 20:45.720 --> 20:46.720 Because that was a part of the... 20:46.720 --> 20:50.720 Kevin Seel was the one they did, the Great College VJs. 20:50.720 --> 20:51.720 Right. 20:51.720 --> 20:55.720 When to college campuses around the United States and auditioned people and out of thousands of people, 20:55.720 --> 20:58.720 somehow they ended up with Kevin Seel. 20:58.720 --> 21:03.720 His audition was truly brilliant, although as it turned out later, he may have been on mushrooms at the time. 21:03.720 --> 21:11.720 Kevin Seel is one of the most talented comedians I have ever met in my life, and he is completely disadvantaged. 21:11.720 --> 21:16.720 He is completely deranged and podcasted by the way, would be perfect for him. 21:17.720 --> 21:21.720 Last I heard from Kevin, he was married, he was in Seattle. 21:21.720 --> 21:25.720 I believe he had kids, and I think he had gone and done something. 21:25.720 --> 21:27.720 Remember, he was an engineering major. 21:27.720 --> 21:28.720 He was fucking brilliant. 21:28.720 --> 21:29.720 He was brilliant. 21:29.720 --> 21:33.720 Well, yeah, but I think he's actually building bridges or something. 21:33.720 --> 21:34.720 Did... 21:34.720 --> 21:36.720 He was hanging out with Bernie, right? 21:36.720 --> 21:38.720 Remember Bernie? 21:38.720 --> 21:39.720 Hmm. 21:39.720 --> 21:42.720 Bernie, our receptionist, our emergency. 21:42.720 --> 21:43.720 Bernie does it. 21:43.720 --> 21:44.720 Bernie does it. 21:44.720 --> 21:45.720 Yeah. 21:45.720 --> 21:46.720 The emergency were friends, frankly. 21:46.720 --> 21:48.720 And they probably still talk. 21:48.720 --> 21:49.720 I've lost that baby. 21:49.720 --> 21:50.720 She was great. 21:50.720 --> 21:51.720 She was a hoot dough. 21:51.720 --> 21:52.720 Oh man, she was so cool. 21:52.720 --> 21:53.720 She was whacked. 21:53.720 --> 21:58.720 Well, how would Stern used to call our studio all the time in the morning live? 21:58.720 --> 22:00.720 And he would talk to her, right? 22:00.720 --> 22:02.720 And try to get through to Steve leads. 22:02.720 --> 22:04.720 And Steve leads emailed me. 22:04.720 --> 22:06.720 What's he doing? 22:06.720 --> 22:09.720 He's consulting for serious. 22:09.720 --> 22:10.720 He probably got... 22:10.720 --> 22:11.720 Of course, there's a link. 22:12.720 --> 22:14.720 He's like, you got marches out on the ground. 22:26.720 --> 22:31.720 We'd remember going back to your question of what it was like when you guys started. 22:31.720 --> 22:35.720 I mean, it was really strange because, you know, original VJs had left. 22:35.720 --> 22:36.720 And it was family. 22:36.720 --> 22:40.720 And everybody was really kind of very nervous about how this was going to be. 22:40.720 --> 22:42.720 And what it was going to be like with new people. 22:42.720 --> 22:43.720 Right. 22:43.720 --> 22:46.720 And I can't remember whether you came first or Julie or Kevin A. 22:46.720 --> 22:47.720 I don't know. 22:47.720 --> 22:51.720 But I remember, you know, Julie was on TV and... 22:51.720 --> 22:52.720 She wasn't... 22:52.720 --> 22:54.720 Like a dancer on television. 22:54.720 --> 22:55.720 Yeah, something. 22:55.720 --> 22:56.720 She was... 22:56.720 --> 22:57.720 Yeah, yeah. 22:57.720 --> 22:58.720 She was that. 22:58.720 --> 23:00.720 And she was also doing like TV AM or something. 23:00.720 --> 23:02.720 And they had flown her over to do an audition. 23:02.720 --> 23:06.720 And I remember coming over and being very British and very nervous. 23:06.720 --> 23:07.720 Really? 23:07.720 --> 23:08.720 Really. 23:09.720 --> 23:12.720 You see, the thing with Julie Brown, the thing with Julie Brown. 23:12.720 --> 23:13.720 Sorry for interrupting you, Ken. 23:13.720 --> 23:16.720 Is that she was... 23:16.720 --> 23:21.720 The perfect example of why MTV was fucked up from day one. 23:21.720 --> 23:22.720 We're not from day one. 23:22.720 --> 23:23.720 But, you know, when these... 23:23.720 --> 23:29.720 When the new people came in because Julie off camera was fucking hilarious. 23:29.720 --> 23:30.720 I mean, we... 23:30.720 --> 23:31.720 Very much. 23:31.720 --> 23:32.720 We had to stop. 23:32.720 --> 23:35.720 I mean, people were in stitches dying on the floor. 23:35.720 --> 23:37.720 It was just so hilarious. 23:37.720 --> 23:39.720 And the foul mouth... 23:39.720 --> 23:40.720 I mean, she... 23:40.720 --> 23:42.720 No one had anything on her. 23:42.720 --> 23:43.720 And it was funny. 23:43.720 --> 23:44.720 It was really... 23:44.720 --> 23:45.720 Funny. 23:45.720 --> 23:48.720 But, you know, that was not the stuff that MTV aired. 23:48.720 --> 23:49.720 What they aired was... 23:49.720 --> 23:50.720 No, they were... 23:50.720 --> 23:51.720 The... 23:51.720 --> 23:52.720 The... 23:52.720 --> 23:53.720 The... 23:53.720 --> 23:54.720 It was boring. 23:54.720 --> 23:55.720 And then she turned around and said, okay, it's my clip. 23:55.720 --> 23:56.720 And it was like, ah! 23:56.720 --> 23:57.720 She was... 23:57.720 --> 23:58.720 Jennifer... 23:58.720 --> 23:59.720 Jennifer... 23:59.720 --> 24:00.720 And Ab Fab... 24:00.720 --> 24:01.720 Way before their time. 24:01.720 --> 24:02.720 I'm just... 24:02.720 --> 24:03.720 Well, I'm sorry, not Joan Rivers. 24:03.720 --> 24:04.720 But she was before Ab Fab. 24:04.720 --> 24:06.720 She probably already had stolen a lot of her... 24:06.720 --> 24:07.720 Or... 24:07.720 --> 24:09.720 But it was influenced by a... 24:09.720 --> 24:11.720 By a lot of that British humor that I'm seeing here. 24:11.720 --> 24:12.720 But she was great. 24:12.720 --> 24:14.720 And that just never made it on the air. 24:14.720 --> 24:15.720 No. 24:15.720 --> 24:19.720 Unfortunately, the funny stuff didn't all go on... 24:19.720 --> 24:22.720 Oh, and Julie, by the way, is married to a... 24:22.720 --> 24:24.720 For foul player? 24:24.720 --> 24:25.720 No, no, no. 24:25.720 --> 24:26.720 Baseball? 24:26.720 --> 24:27.720 No, nothing like that. 24:27.720 --> 24:28.720 Oh, like a guy with boats? 24:28.720 --> 24:29.720 Like a guy with boats? 24:29.720 --> 24:30.720 No, he's... 24:30.720 --> 24:31.720 Yeah, but he's like a real estate guy. 24:31.720 --> 24:32.720 I... 24:32.720 --> 24:33.720 Yeah. 24:33.720 --> 24:34.720 It's got money. 24:34.720 --> 24:35.720 Like a developer. 24:36.720 --> 24:37.720 Yeah, he's got money. 24:37.720 --> 24:38.720 Yeah, right now. 24:38.720 --> 24:43.720 And he has a daughter that was very, very young when he and Julie got married. 24:43.720 --> 24:46.720 So Julie's basically raised his child as her own. 24:46.720 --> 24:49.720 And Julie, I think, is probably one of the world's best moms. 24:49.720 --> 24:51.720 And is very, very happy. 24:51.720 --> 24:53.720 And not doing a lot of work either. 24:53.720 --> 24:54.720 She... 24:54.720 --> 24:55.720 She... 24:55.720 --> 24:56.720 They're in California. 24:56.720 --> 24:57.720 Wasn't she married to that model? 24:57.720 --> 25:00.720 First, can, like, some male model that she was with? 25:00.720 --> 25:01.720 I don't know. 25:01.720 --> 25:02.720 She was actually married. 25:02.720 --> 25:04.720 Whenever married there, that was her fiance, Chris. 25:04.720 --> 25:06.720 She was from England with her to New York. 25:06.720 --> 25:07.720 Oh, that's... 25:07.720 --> 25:10.720 And during the time that they were in New York together, 25:10.720 --> 25:12.720 he, in fact, 25:12.720 --> 25:13.720 funny sidebar. 25:13.720 --> 25:16.720 But back, before Mariah Carey was Mariah Carey, 25:16.720 --> 25:19.720 she used to work at a sports bar on the opposite side of Manhattan. 25:19.720 --> 25:20.720 Yeah. 25:20.720 --> 25:22.720 And he was on some rugby team. 25:22.720 --> 25:23.720 Right. 25:23.720 --> 25:24.720 I remember that. 25:24.720 --> 25:26.720 She'd always have to go pick him up after he played. 25:26.720 --> 25:27.720 Right. 25:27.720 --> 25:29.720 Well, apparently, she... 25:29.720 --> 25:32.720 Julie caught Chris in Demariah Carey. 25:33.720 --> 25:34.720 Let me tell you. 25:34.720 --> 25:36.720 If I had to line him up next to each other, 25:36.720 --> 25:38.720 I'd totally go from Mariah Carey. 25:38.720 --> 25:40.720 Oh, totally. 25:40.720 --> 25:41.720 Totally. 25:41.720 --> 25:42.720 But I bet you, Julie. 25:42.720 --> 25:44.720 But Julie, I bet you was hot in the sack, 25:44.720 --> 25:46.720 because, you know, she did Billy Idol. 25:46.720 --> 25:48.720 I mean, that's pretty cool. 25:48.720 --> 25:50.720 Anyway, Chris ran off with all her money 25:50.720 --> 25:51.720 and started to succeed this week. 25:51.720 --> 25:52.720 No. 25:52.720 --> 25:53.720 We clubbed in California. 25:53.720 --> 25:54.720 Oh, that's horrible. 25:54.720 --> 25:55.720 What happened after that? 25:55.720 --> 25:56.720 He ran off with her in the street. 25:56.720 --> 25:57.720 Well, she didn't have any money. 25:57.720 --> 25:58.720 She didn't have any real money. 25:58.720 --> 25:59.720 She didn't have any real money. 25:59.720 --> 26:00.720 She didn't have any real money. 26:00.720 --> 26:01.720 But she didn't have any real money. 26:01.720 --> 26:03.720 I mean, she was living paycheck to paycheck like the rest. 26:03.720 --> 26:04.720 Actually, she did. 26:04.720 --> 26:05.720 I mean, she... 26:05.720 --> 26:06.720 She... 26:06.720 --> 26:07.720 She'd saved up some money in England, 26:07.720 --> 26:09.720 and they owned a house. 26:09.720 --> 26:10.720 And, you know, she was... 26:10.720 --> 26:11.720 She was doing okay there. 26:11.720 --> 26:12.720 MTV is... 26:12.720 --> 26:13.720 Well, and... 26:13.720 --> 26:14.720 Hmm. 26:14.720 --> 26:17.720 You and Julie, I think, were probably the two that... 26:17.720 --> 26:20.720 I have no idea if they pay like they used to. 26:20.720 --> 26:21.720 And I'm sure, you know, 26:21.720 --> 26:23.720 oh, people like Carson Daily got to a point 26:23.720 --> 26:24.720 where they were proud. 26:24.720 --> 26:25.720 He must have very good money. 26:25.720 --> 26:26.720 He must have been made to know that. 26:26.720 --> 26:27.720 At least 200,000. 26:27.720 --> 26:29.720 I bet he was making 200,000. 26:29.720 --> 26:30.720 Not much more. 26:31.720 --> 26:32.720 But, you know, that's why... 26:32.720 --> 26:34.720 You did make at least 200,000 to live like a neighbor. 26:34.720 --> 26:36.720 Like a neighbor in Manhattan these days, so... 26:36.720 --> 26:37.720 Yeah. 26:37.720 --> 26:38.720 Well, but, you know, you get all your appearances, 26:38.720 --> 26:39.720 and all the other shit if you... 26:39.720 --> 26:40.720 I never really did that. 26:40.720 --> 26:42.720 I only did that to promote my radio shows. 26:42.720 --> 26:43.720 I didn't do fucking store openings. 26:43.720 --> 26:44.720 Although, I did do... 26:44.720 --> 26:45.720 Like the Popeyes. 26:45.720 --> 26:46.720 The Popeyes, yes. 26:46.720 --> 26:49.720 The Popeyes chicken grand opening. 26:49.720 --> 26:50.720 Okay, fuck you. 26:50.720 --> 26:52.720 You weren't going to bring that up, can. 26:52.720 --> 26:53.720 He... 26:53.720 --> 26:54.720 Where was that? 26:54.720 --> 26:55.720 Where was that? 26:55.720 --> 26:57.720 I don't remember where it was. 26:57.720 --> 26:59.720 It was down the south, like New Orleans... 27:00.720 --> 27:02.720 No, no, New Orleans was great. 27:02.720 --> 27:05.720 You'd have to fly off and do another silly radio promo. 27:05.720 --> 27:08.720 And I think I learned an awful lot working for you in those years 27:08.720 --> 27:11.720 because there are no silly or people, and there's no silly or business 27:11.720 --> 27:12.720 and syndicated... 27:12.720 --> 27:14.720 I said the kid in front of you. 27:14.720 --> 27:16.720 Everybody, how are you doing? 27:16.720 --> 27:18.720 I mean, that is silly shit. 27:18.720 --> 27:21.720 Christina says hi, she can't hear you, 27:21.720 --> 27:23.720 but she's in the room. 27:23.720 --> 27:25.720 Yeah, it's Ken. 27:25.720 --> 27:26.720 Yeah, Ken. 27:26.720 --> 27:27.720 Your buddy Ken. 27:27.720 --> 27:28.720 Well, tell her I said hello. 27:28.720 --> 27:29.720 Yeah. 27:29.720 --> 27:30.720 He says hi. 27:30.720 --> 27:33.720 For people that didn't sound very enthusiastic, 27:33.720 --> 27:36.720 it's hard to explain to people the relationship I have with Christina, 27:36.720 --> 27:38.720 which we don't really have at this point. 27:38.720 --> 27:39.720 But I mean... 27:39.720 --> 27:40.720 She loves you better. 27:40.720 --> 27:41.720 She still loves you. 27:41.720 --> 27:45.720 Your daughter and I were very much in love when I was in my late 20s 27:45.720 --> 27:46.720 and she was too. 27:46.720 --> 27:47.720 Right. 27:47.720 --> 27:48.720 Right. 27:48.720 --> 27:51.720 And let's just explain because at a certain point... 27:51.720 --> 27:52.720 Quite enough fair. 27:52.720 --> 27:56.720 When did I ask you to come work for me and leave MTV? 27:56.720 --> 27:58.720 God, I was really fucking with him. 27:58.720 --> 27:59.720 Right. 27:59.720 --> 28:01.720 93. 28:01.720 --> 28:02.720 93. 28:02.720 --> 28:03.720 Really was that late. 28:03.720 --> 28:04.720 So it was like... 28:04.720 --> 28:05.720 92. 28:05.720 --> 28:06.720 93. 28:06.720 --> 28:07.720 It was around there. 28:07.720 --> 28:08.720 Right. 28:08.720 --> 28:09.720 Right. 28:09.720 --> 28:10.720 Right. 28:10.720 --> 28:11.720 Right. 28:11.720 --> 28:12.720 And so... 28:12.720 --> 28:13.720 When was the occasion? 28:13.720 --> 28:14.720 Why did I need you? 28:14.720 --> 28:17.720 You had fired... 28:17.720 --> 28:18.720 Ivan. 28:18.720 --> 28:20.720 The Joan Jet People. 28:20.720 --> 28:22.720 Oh, right. 28:22.720 --> 28:23.720 Kenny. 28:23.720 --> 28:24.720 Kenny Laguna. 28:24.720 --> 28:25.720 That was so ugly. 28:25.720 --> 28:26.720 That was so fucking ugly. 28:26.720 --> 28:27.720 But you know... 28:27.720 --> 28:28.720 Kenny was a great guy. 28:28.720 --> 28:30.720 But Steve Lieber was hard to deal with. 28:30.720 --> 28:31.720 Well... 28:31.720 --> 28:32.720 There were arosimists. 28:32.720 --> 28:34.720 It was the one that they fired. 28:34.720 --> 28:35.720 Yeah. 28:35.720 --> 28:37.720 You would come to New York and you had done the appropriate thing. 28:37.720 --> 28:38.720 You had hired publicist. 28:38.720 --> 28:39.720 You had hired agents. 28:39.720 --> 28:41.720 You'd hired managers. 28:41.720 --> 28:43.720 And you know, I think at the end of the day, 28:43.720 --> 28:46.720 you realize that maybe you don't need all that crap. 28:46.720 --> 28:47.720 No. 28:47.720 --> 28:48.720 You can do yourself. 28:48.720 --> 28:49.720 Yeah. 28:49.720 --> 28:50.720 Exactly. 28:50.720 --> 28:52.720 There's no point in paying somebody a percentage like that. 28:52.720 --> 28:53.720 But a lot of people have done. 28:53.720 --> 28:56.720 And you were actually pretty early on in doing it. 28:56.720 --> 28:58.720 But you said, I don't need all these people. 28:58.720 --> 29:00.720 I just need to hire somebody. 29:00.720 --> 29:01.720 Yeah. 29:01.720 --> 29:03.720 On staff who can take care of a lot of those day-to-day functions. 29:03.720 --> 29:07.720 And then keep the agent because they only make a percent if they bring the money in. 29:07.720 --> 29:08.720 Yeah. 29:08.720 --> 29:09.720 But check this. 29:09.720 --> 29:10.720 You also hire the manager. 29:10.720 --> 29:12.720 It makes a percent of everything you make. 29:12.720 --> 29:13.720 Right. 29:13.720 --> 29:14.720 Fuckers. 29:14.720 --> 29:15.720 Fucking bandits. 29:15.720 --> 29:17.720 So you walked into my office one day. 29:17.720 --> 29:20.720 And I was, you know, I'd been there for nine years. 29:20.720 --> 29:23.720 And the vibe of what was going on at the channel had changed considerably. 29:23.720 --> 29:24.720 Who was running the show then? 29:24.720 --> 29:26.720 Because we should talk about that one time. 29:26.720 --> 29:27.720 Who was running the show? 29:27.720 --> 29:30.720 What light switch was the operation light switch? 29:30.720 --> 29:31.720 Was it this time? 29:31.720 --> 29:33.720 On what level? 29:33.720 --> 29:35.720 Ah, who was, what was the production? 29:35.720 --> 29:36.720 What were we doing? 29:36.720 --> 29:39.720 Remember we had all those different phases that we went through. 29:39.720 --> 29:41.720 And we had the blue screens. 29:41.720 --> 29:44.720 And then we had, you know, five seconds of talking. 29:44.720 --> 29:45.720 You know, that shit. 29:45.720 --> 29:46.720 Remember how we went through all that? 29:46.720 --> 29:49.720 I think we'd kind of almost come full circle. 29:49.720 --> 29:54.720 We were, we had gone down to 42nd and rebuilt a big real life set again at that. 29:54.720 --> 29:56.720 That's the new studio. 29:56.720 --> 29:57.720 Yeah, those were nine. 29:57.720 --> 29:58.720 Yeah. 29:58.720 --> 29:59.720 That was cool. 29:59.720 --> 30:09.720 And, you know, things had gone a little bit back to, you know, normal VJ day parts and actual segments that, you know, were more than two seconds. 30:09.720 --> 30:11.720 I bet you the radio guys were backing. 30:11.720 --> 30:12.720 What was his name? 30:12.720 --> 30:14.720 Andy, Andy. 30:14.720 --> 30:16.720 Who was programmed right? 30:17.720 --> 30:18.720 Andy. 30:18.720 --> 30:19.720 Something. 30:19.720 --> 30:20.720 He was. 30:20.720 --> 30:21.720 I bet you he was in. 30:21.720 --> 30:22.720 Because it was running like radio again. 30:22.720 --> 30:23.720 Yeah. 30:23.720 --> 30:24.720 Yeah. 30:24.720 --> 30:25.720 He was a guy that it didn't care. 30:25.720 --> 30:26.720 Andy's shown. 30:26.720 --> 30:27.720 Andy's shown. 30:27.720 --> 30:28.720 Andy's shown. 30:28.720 --> 30:29.720 Yeah. 30:29.720 --> 30:30.720 Because he had. 30:30.720 --> 30:31.720 Yeah. 30:31.720 --> 30:32.720 Yeah. 30:32.720 --> 30:34.720 He had known Kennedy. 30:34.720 --> 30:37.720 Kennedy, by the way, is no longer in the business. 30:37.720 --> 30:40.720 I think she's, she's, no, we know what Kennedy's doing. 30:40.720 --> 30:41.720 No, no, we know what Kennedy's doing. 30:41.720 --> 30:42.720 No, no, we know what Kennedy's doing. 30:42.720 --> 30:45.720 No, no, we know what Kennedy's doing. 30:45.720 --> 30:58.720 I'm just going to show some kind of bad. 30:58.720 --> 30:59.720 TV show somewhere. 30:59.720 --> 31:03.720 Always kind of, you know, the hip Republican as it were. 31:03.720 --> 31:04.720 That's why I hated her. 31:04.720 --> 31:07.720 And they said, well, they've, they've really dusted her off. 31:07.720 --> 31:09.720 Remember when she fucked up my ass? 31:09.720 --> 31:10.720 Can that? 31:10.720 --> 31:13.720 Why did you fuck up your, do you remember that? 31:13.720 --> 31:16.720 Well, I told the source of listeners who was my thigh. 31:16.720 --> 31:17.720 It really was my thigh. 31:17.720 --> 31:18.720 It really was my thigh. 31:18.720 --> 31:19.720 Yes, I heard it. 31:19.720 --> 31:20.720 And yeah, I do. 31:20.720 --> 31:21.720 I've forgotten about that. 31:21.720 --> 31:22.720 That was fucked up. 31:22.720 --> 31:23.720 I've forgotten about that. 31:23.720 --> 31:25.720 I don't think I was there at the time. 31:25.720 --> 31:26.720 I was at the beach house. 31:26.720 --> 31:27.720 That was very cool. 31:27.720 --> 31:29.720 The beach house concept was fucking great. 31:29.720 --> 31:30.720 The first time. 31:30.720 --> 31:31.720 Yeah. 31:31.720 --> 31:34.720 And you know, that always pissed me off because those fuckers never let me come. 31:34.720 --> 31:35.720 Never let you know. 31:35.720 --> 31:38.720 That was like the VMA. 31:38.720 --> 31:40.720 Because there'd be one or two of you at the beach house. 31:40.720 --> 31:42.720 And everybody else would be back in the studio. 31:42.720 --> 31:46.720 So they felt it was better to have me back at the studio than out at the beach house. 31:46.720 --> 31:48.720 We needed you to run the ship to Ken. 31:48.720 --> 31:52.720 We needed to know that there's strong firm hand was on the wheel at all times. 31:52.720 --> 31:54.720 Yeah. 31:54.720 --> 31:56.720 And besides that, we just haven't too much fun. 31:56.720 --> 31:57.720 We're having too much fun. 31:57.720 --> 31:59.720 I'm on our old makeup artist in New York. 31:59.720 --> 32:00.720 On the last year. 32:00.720 --> 32:01.720 Do you meet? 32:01.720 --> 32:02.720 Do you meet? 32:02.720 --> 32:03.720 My trips to New York. 32:03.720 --> 32:04.720 I was walking through the village. 32:04.720 --> 32:06.720 And there was Keon before me. 32:06.720 --> 32:07.720 Oh, Keon. 32:07.720 --> 32:08.720 Oh, my God. 32:08.720 --> 32:09.720 For Keon. 32:09.720 --> 32:10.720 Yeah, of course. 32:10.720 --> 32:11.720 How's Keon? 32:11.720 --> 32:12.720 No, of course not. 32:12.720 --> 32:13.720 Don't touch me. 32:13.720 --> 32:14.720 Be honest. 32:14.720 --> 32:15.720 Well, no. 32:15.720 --> 32:17.720 Your wife was the only one that was led to do your makeup. 32:17.720 --> 32:18.720 Yeah. 32:18.720 --> 32:19.720 And my hair. 32:19.720 --> 32:20.720 And your hair. 32:20.720 --> 32:21.720 Well, you came in done. 32:21.720 --> 32:22.720 And you were always funny. 32:22.720 --> 32:24.720 You know, everybody else would come in and sweat and take an hour and a half to get 32:24.720 --> 32:25.720 ready. 32:25.720 --> 32:29.720 You'd come in 30 seconds after you were supposed to be on the set and just kind of walk in the 32:29.720 --> 32:31.720 door and throw your jacket over the stool. 32:31.720 --> 32:33.720 I always be like 30 seconds late. 32:33.720 --> 32:34.720 Right. 32:34.720 --> 32:35.720 I just strolling. 32:35.720 --> 32:37.720 Well, you were always calling from the tunnel. 32:37.720 --> 32:38.720 You know, you're right there. 32:38.720 --> 32:39.720 We're like ready. 32:39.720 --> 32:40.720 You know. 32:40.720 --> 32:41.720 You're ready. 32:41.720 --> 32:52.720 You're ready. 32:52.720 --> 32:53.720 We're always in the tunnel. 32:53.720 --> 32:54.720 Right. 32:54.720 --> 32:56.720 But the time you ran out of gas in the tunnel. 32:56.720 --> 32:57.720 Oh, dude. 32:57.720 --> 32:59.720 Oh, you're in a Rolls Royce. 32:59.720 --> 33:00.720 Let me tell you. 33:00.720 --> 33:07.720 A quick way to make yourself really hated in New York is to run out of gas in a Rolls Royce 33:07.720 --> 33:08.720 in the afternoon. 33:08.720 --> 33:12.720 I broke down to the Honda, but everybody thought, sorry for me. 33:12.720 --> 33:17.720 And they come out with this god awful yellow thing with these two big, big bumpers 33:17.720 --> 33:20.720 and literally just bump their ass out of the way. 33:20.720 --> 33:21.720 It just bump you all the way. 33:21.720 --> 33:25.720 And the Rolls when it's not when the engine's not running, you have no power steering. 33:25.720 --> 33:30.720 And so it's like this little, this little wheel like this grandma thin wheel that you know, 33:30.720 --> 33:33.720 you're pulling with all your might and it's like, you know, the thing is creaking 33:33.720 --> 33:34.720 and the tie issues. 33:34.720 --> 33:36.720 That was a horrendous experience. 33:36.720 --> 33:41.720 And everyone that wronging and flipping the urge caused me a great deal of stress over the many years 33:41.720 --> 33:42.720 that I worked for. 33:42.720 --> 33:43.720 Shit. 33:43.720 --> 33:45.720 Well, I had it for 90,000 miles. 33:45.720 --> 33:50.720 That Rolls caused me a great deal of stress over those 90,000. 33:50.720 --> 33:51.720 Why? 33:51.720 --> 33:53.720 Just because of all the payments we had to make for it. 33:53.720 --> 33:54.720 That we could never make. 33:54.720 --> 33:56.720 It was a very expensive car. 33:56.720 --> 33:58.720 And be even to have a spark plug change. 33:58.720 --> 34:00.720 It was like thousands of dollars. 34:00.720 --> 34:01.720 I paid per spark. 34:02.720 --> 34:08.720 You know, they'd have to import the spark plug and the wrench and the guy to turn it from one to two. 34:08.720 --> 34:10.720 Oh, that was funny. 34:10.720 --> 34:11.720 Oh, man. 34:11.720 --> 34:12.720 Hey, listen. 34:12.720 --> 34:15.720 Remember you traded that hand on, what did you trade that for? 34:15.720 --> 34:16.720 I did trade it. 34:16.720 --> 34:17.720 I gave it away. 34:17.720 --> 34:18.720 All right. 34:18.720 --> 34:20.720 But I mean, you switched to a Ford Explorer then. 34:20.720 --> 34:21.720 Yeah. 34:21.720 --> 34:23.720 One of the kind that blows up. 34:23.720 --> 34:25.720 No, those didn't blow up. 34:25.720 --> 34:26.720 They tipped over. 34:26.720 --> 34:27.720 The tiptoe, right? 34:27.720 --> 34:28.720 Yeah. 34:28.720 --> 34:29.720 It was a national emergency. 34:29.720 --> 34:30.720 No, it was a drive. 34:30.720 --> 34:31.720 I'm sorry. 34:31.720 --> 34:32.720 Medical emergency. 34:32.720 --> 34:34.720 Which dot com license plate. 34:34.720 --> 34:35.720 You better have your ass ready. 34:35.720 --> 34:36.720 We're going to work. 34:36.720 --> 34:37.720 I'm like, are you crazy? 34:37.720 --> 34:41.720 It's a state of emergency. 34:41.720 --> 34:43.720 It was the blizzard. 34:43.720 --> 34:46.720 Remember we wasn't at the blizzard that we went that we drove in. 34:46.720 --> 34:49.720 And everyone was was putting pictures up on the web and stuff. 34:49.720 --> 34:50.720 Yeah. 34:50.720 --> 34:51.720 Yeah. 34:51.720 --> 34:52.720 What was that? 34:52.720 --> 34:53.720 The blizzard of what? 34:53.760 --> 34:58.720 Ninety. 34:58.720 --> 35:00.720 Fifty six, seven. 35:00.720 --> 35:01.720 Ninety. 35:01.720 --> 35:05.720 Ninety six, ninety seven, summer, was nine six. 35:05.720 --> 35:08.720 Ninety six. 35:08.720 --> 35:12.720 Nina's shorty of six. 35:12.720 --> 35:14.720 I had the dot com license plates. 35:14.720 --> 35:17.720 Then it was. 35:17.720 --> 35:18.720 Ninety six. 35:18.720 --> 35:20.720 Ninety six and nineteen. 35:20.720 --> 35:21.720 Right. 35:21.720 --> 35:24.720 And Lou, to our housekeeper. 35:24.720 --> 35:28.720 Were you able to take a charitable deduction for that? 35:28.720 --> 35:29.720 No, fuck it. 35:29.720 --> 35:33.720 It wasn't worth more than $5,000 by the time we got rid of it. 35:33.720 --> 35:34.720 It was shot. 35:34.720 --> 35:36.720 They still drive it around. 35:36.720 --> 35:37.720 Fireman and then. 35:37.720 --> 35:39.720 It's still driving around for a moment. 35:39.720 --> 35:40.720 Yes, yes. 35:40.720 --> 35:41.720 Absolutely. 35:41.720 --> 35:42.720 I'm so excited to take it out. 35:42.720 --> 35:45.720 The Duchess, they still call it. 35:45.720 --> 35:46.720 That's not it. 35:46.720 --> 35:47.720 Listen, Ken. 35:47.720 --> 35:48.720 It's been like 30 minutes to tell you what. 35:48.720 --> 35:50.720 Why don't we continue? 35:50.720 --> 35:53.720 And do some more like another time and make this into a series. 35:53.720 --> 35:54.720 This is great. 35:54.720 --> 35:56.720 Wait, I didn't say that, right? 35:56.720 --> 35:57.720 I would love to. 35:57.720 --> 35:59.720 Oh, that's so surreal. 35:59.720 --> 36:02.720 That's seriously because you trained me. 36:02.720 --> 36:04.720 Ah, I trained you so well. 36:04.720 --> 36:06.720 I would love to. 36:06.720 --> 36:08.720 I would love to. 36:08.720 --> 36:09.720 Well, Adam had a thing. 36:09.720 --> 36:10.720 Anybody that worked for Adam. 36:10.720 --> 36:13.720 If he asked you to do something, he wanted you to respond. 36:13.720 --> 36:14.720 I would love to. 36:14.720 --> 36:15.720 No, that's not true. 36:15.720 --> 36:16.720 What are you talking about? 36:16.720 --> 36:17.720 It was the joke. 36:17.720 --> 36:18.720 It was a joke. 36:18.720 --> 36:19.720 But he was an ongoing joke. 36:19.720 --> 36:22.720 Yeah, just either say no or I would love to. 36:22.720 --> 36:23.720 I would love to. 36:23.720 --> 36:24.720 I would love to. 36:24.720 --> 36:34.720 Did I ever tell you that Barry Nelson who was my assistant at 36:34.720 --> 36:35.720 Think? 36:35.720 --> 36:37.720 When you were running the traffic department. 36:37.720 --> 36:39.720 Your final good assistant. 36:39.720 --> 36:40.720 Yeah. 36:40.720 --> 36:41.720 Oh, God. 36:41.720 --> 36:42.720 That he was on. 36:42.720 --> 36:43.720 You had it run there. 36:43.720 --> 36:47.720 He was on who wants to be a millionaire? 36:47.720 --> 36:48.720 No. 36:48.720 --> 36:49.720 Yeah. 36:49.720 --> 36:51.720 And he had me listed as one of the people's calling case. 36:51.720 --> 36:54.720 You needed to help line. 36:54.720 --> 36:56.720 Yeah, I think he did. 36:56.720 --> 36:58.720 It was like, I never saw that. 36:58.720 --> 36:59.720 Well, I didn't see it. 36:59.720 --> 37:01.720 I presume it aired. 37:01.720 --> 37:02.720 But he was on. 37:02.720 --> 37:04.720 So he called me and he was like really excited. 37:04.720 --> 37:06.720 And see, can I kind of list you as a number? 37:06.720 --> 37:07.720 Yeah, fuck an eye. 37:07.720 --> 37:10.720 Of course, the time they were taping was like three o'clock in the morning. 37:10.720 --> 37:11.720 My time, right? 37:11.720 --> 37:12.720 And so I went to bed at night. 37:12.720 --> 37:15.720 They call you up and get you ready to do it and stuff? 37:15.720 --> 37:16.720 No. 37:16.720 --> 37:18.720 Eventually around around three a.m. or whatever. 37:18.720 --> 37:19.720 And I'm like, oh, my God. 37:19.720 --> 37:20.720 I'm going to suck. 37:20.720 --> 37:21.720 I'm like completely. 37:21.720 --> 37:22.720 I go. 37:22.720 --> 37:23.720 Oh, I know. 37:23.720 --> 37:24.720 Oh, I know. 37:24.720 --> 37:26.720 Here you are in the air completely asleep. 37:26.720 --> 37:27.720 Yeah, but it was. 37:27.720 --> 37:28.720 It was Ed. 37:28.720 --> 37:29.720 It was Ed. 37:29.720 --> 37:30.720 Yeah. 37:30.720 --> 37:32.720 Calling to say that, you know, they wouldn't call me because Barry. 37:32.720 --> 37:36.720 He got like, I think he did $12,000 or was it $8,000? 37:36.720 --> 37:37.720 What's the level? 37:37.720 --> 37:38.720 $8,000 or $12,000? 37:38.720 --> 37:40.720 I have no retention for numeric. 37:40.720 --> 37:41.720 Yeah. 37:41.720 --> 37:42.720 And that's and that's all he did. 37:42.720 --> 37:43.720 And I never heard again from him. 37:43.720 --> 37:44.720 I'm sure he's okay. 37:44.720 --> 37:45.720 He'll get in touch again. 37:45.720 --> 37:47.720 I'm sure he's out there somewhere. 37:47.720 --> 37:50.720 But yeah, we'll have to continue this because we didn't even. 37:50.720 --> 37:51.720 You know, I made a list here. 37:51.720 --> 37:55.720 There were 37 members of the MTV air talent. 37:55.720 --> 37:56.720 No. 37:56.720 --> 37:57.720 That I weigh. 37:57.720 --> 37:58.720 Thirty or seven. 37:58.720 --> 37:59.720 Thirty or seven. 37:59.720 --> 38:00.720 Eight. 38:00.720 --> 38:01.720 Unbelievable. 38:01.720 --> 38:02.720 Oh, my God. 38:02.720 --> 38:04.720 But there's so many other things we can. 38:04.720 --> 38:05.720 We should do this. 38:05.720 --> 38:07.720 We should give this a name and just do this from time to time. 38:07.720 --> 38:10.720 And just shoot the shit because between the two of us, 38:10.720 --> 38:11.720 we have what? 38:11.720 --> 38:13.720 Twenty years of MTV history we can talk about? 38:13.720 --> 38:14.720 Yeah. 38:14.720 --> 38:15.720 Wow. 38:15.720 --> 38:18.720 We can get zipped cream to sponsor it. 38:18.720 --> 38:21.720 I could still use some. 38:21.720 --> 38:22.720 Right. 38:22.720 --> 38:23.720 Right on girlfriend. 38:23.720 --> 38:26.720 I'm still at a lesson. 38:26.720 --> 38:28.720 Okay. 38:28.720 --> 38:29.720 Well, good. 38:29.720 --> 38:32.720 Let's do this again tomorrow whenever we feel like it. 38:32.720 --> 38:33.720 Whenever we hook up. 38:33.720 --> 38:34.720 This is fun. 38:34.720 --> 38:35.720 Okay. 38:35.720 --> 38:37.720 We could just call out the MTV Chronicles. 38:37.720 --> 38:38.720 Something like that. 38:38.720 --> 38:39.720 Something like hokey. 38:39.720 --> 38:40.720 The MTV Chronicles. 38:40.720 --> 38:41.720 You're going to write a book. 38:41.720 --> 38:42.720 You're going to do a book. 38:42.720 --> 38:43.720 Was it going to be called? 38:44.720 --> 38:45.720 I know. 38:45.720 --> 38:46.720 Oh. 38:46.720 --> 38:47.720 Clean the title. 38:47.720 --> 38:49.720 Inside MTV. 38:49.720 --> 38:51.720 My life in the trenches. 38:51.720 --> 38:52.720 Yeah. 38:52.720 --> 38:53.720 Excellent. 38:53.720 --> 38:54.720 Or my time in the trenches. 38:54.720 --> 38:55.720 But no. 38:55.720 --> 38:56.720 It was inside MTV. 38:56.720 --> 38:57.720 My time in the trenches. 38:57.720 --> 38:59.720 It was going to be my personal book. 38:59.720 --> 39:00.720 No. 39:00.720 --> 39:01.720 There's a book to be written somewhere. 39:01.720 --> 39:02.720 It's all about time. 39:02.720 --> 39:03.720 Yeah. 39:03.720 --> 39:05.720 Well, that's why this is much easier. 39:05.720 --> 39:08.720 I mean, you don't even like shit on a book anyway. 39:08.720 --> 39:09.720 What? 39:09.720 --> 39:12.720 If somebody's going to pay you a big advance and still write the book. 39:12.720 --> 39:13.720 And they have bought your time. 39:13.720 --> 39:16.720 Then you can afford to sit there for the months that it would take and write. 39:16.720 --> 39:17.720 Other than that. 39:17.720 --> 39:18.720 I don't got time to do it. 39:18.720 --> 39:19.720 I'm going to make some money. 39:19.720 --> 39:20.720 Well, well. 39:20.720 --> 39:21.720 Hold on a second. 39:21.720 --> 39:22.720 Listen. 39:22.720 --> 39:23.720 Listen. 39:23.720 --> 39:24.720 You know, fucking. 39:24.720 --> 39:25.720 Mr. Real Estate. 39:25.720 --> 39:28.720 You know, Mr. Donald fucking Trump of Portland. 39:28.720 --> 39:29.720 Let me. 39:29.720 --> 39:30.720 Let me ask it. 39:30.720 --> 39:31.720 How much. 39:31.720 --> 39:32.720 How much. 39:32.720 --> 39:33.720 Would it take to write the book? 39:33.720 --> 39:34.720 What kind of advance would you need? 39:34.720 --> 39:39.720 I don't know. 39:39.720 --> 39:41.720 We'd have to talk about that. 39:42.720 --> 39:43.720 I have no idea. 39:43.720 --> 39:45.720 I mean, I've given a great deal of thought to it. 39:45.720 --> 39:46.720 And would it really be a best seller? 39:46.720 --> 39:49.720 Do you think it would really, it would really, the people really give a shit? 39:49.720 --> 39:50.720 Mmm. 39:50.720 --> 39:51.720 Seriously now. 39:51.720 --> 39:52.720 Probably not. 39:52.720 --> 39:53.720 I don't know. 39:53.720 --> 39:56.720 There's, there's three or four different complete angles. 39:56.720 --> 39:57.720 You can take at how to do the thing. 39:57.720 --> 39:58.720 It has to be scandalous. 39:58.720 --> 39:59.720 It has to be scandalous. 39:59.720 --> 40:02.720 Otherwise it's not going to be, is it the scandals? 40:02.720 --> 40:03.720 You know. 40:03.720 --> 40:05.720 The thing is, everyone thinks that there was, you know, 40:05.720 --> 40:07.720 MTV was, you know, one big drugged out orgy. 40:07.720 --> 40:08.720 And, you know, guess what? 40:08.720 --> 40:10.720 It was fun, but it wasn't that fun. 40:11.720 --> 40:14.720 It, it became a well-oiled assembly line. 40:14.720 --> 40:18.720 Basically cranking out assembly line television, you know, 40:18.720 --> 40:21.720 seven days a week, 24 hours a day worth of television. 40:21.720 --> 40:23.720 And a Monday through Friday, you know, 40:23.720 --> 40:24.720 seven, eight hour work day. 40:24.720 --> 40:25.720 Yeah. 40:25.720 --> 40:27.720 There was a science that cranking it out. 40:27.720 --> 40:30.720 The sure thoughts and quirky personalities that, you know, 40:30.720 --> 40:31.720 Yeah. 40:31.720 --> 40:34.720 Added to the mix, but it was by no means a big drugged out party. 40:34.720 --> 40:35.720 What was it, Linda? 40:35.720 --> 40:37.720 Linda? 40:37.720 --> 40:39.720 What's her name? Linda? 40:40.720 --> 40:41.720 Love lace? 40:41.720 --> 40:43.720 Yeah, that's the one. 40:43.720 --> 40:44.720 All right. 40:44.720 --> 40:46.720 I listen, I'll talk to you tomorrow. 40:46.720 --> 40:47.720 We'll do some more of this. 40:47.720 --> 40:48.720 This is cool. 40:48.720 --> 40:49.720 This is fun. 40:49.720 --> 40:50.720 Okay. I enjoyed it. 40:50.720 --> 40:51.720 All right, very cool. 40:51.720 --> 40:52.720 Thank you. 40:52.720 --> 40:53.720 Talk to you soon. 40:53.720 --> 40:54.720 Love you, Ken. 40:54.720 --> 40:55.720 Okay, bye-bye. 40:59.720 --> 41:00.720 Well, there you have it. 41:00.720 --> 41:03.720 The very first episode of the MTV Chronicles 41:03.720 --> 41:05.720 with my friend Ken Clark. 41:05.720 --> 41:07.720 Let me know what you think. 41:07.720 --> 41:10.720 If you want to hear another one of these in lieu of regular daily source code, 41:10.720 --> 41:13.720 or should we make it into a separate feed, a separate feature. 41:13.720 --> 41:16.720 Add them at curry.com or MP3 feedback at gmail.com. 41:16.720 --> 41:22.720 And I see that the BT bus is parked outside. 41:22.720 --> 41:26.720 That means that they're going to hook up the four megabit line today. 41:26.720 --> 41:27.720 Ooh, yeah, everybody. 41:27.720 --> 41:30.720 So we've back tomorrow for the thank-out of Spide 80 41:30.720 --> 41:31.720 for the daily source code. 41:31.720 --> 41:32.720 Thanks for listening. Hope you enjoyed it. 41:32.720 --> 41:33.720 Take care. 41:33.720 --> 41:34.720 Bye-bye. 41:37.720 --> 41:38.720 Bye-bye.