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Daily source code for February
17th, 2005, transmitters, we
don't need no stinkin'
transmitters!

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Autastic, it's Adam Curry!

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Yeah, everybody, how you doing
Thursday's source code, good
evening!

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The power of the Lord, the Lord,
the Lord!

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That's right!

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Coming to you from the Health
Hotel in Manhattan, New York!

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It's a daily source code, it is
February 17th, 2005.

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I might have quite a little bit
later than usual, but fun stuff
to report from the Big Apple!

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Oh boy, I gotta tell you, I am
one jet lag puppy!

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We got a lot to talk about
today, man.

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What a day, what energy in this
city, it's so good to be back.

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I haven't been in New York since
the 4-9-11.

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Been in America, of course,
since then, but I just hadn't
been to the city.

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And this city was my home for
13, almost 14 years in a
combination of MTV and my
company from the late 90s.

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It's great to be there.

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Okay, so even though I posted
that I certainly have time
tonight to catch up on email and
do all kinds of other important
stuff,

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guess what?

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Life got in the way, man.

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There are so many people that I
haven't seen in ages.

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It was just great catching up
with all kinds of people all the
time.

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I'm talking about someone that's
some of the people I've been
seeing and some of the stuff
that I've been hearing about
podcasting,

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and I tell you, it's certainly a
lie, man.

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People are talking about it, and
I just walk on the street and
people are like, hey, how's the
podcast or love the podcast?

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It's just that stuff you don't
expect, you know, it's like
anywhere you go now.

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Everyone knows what's going on
and everybody's talking about
it, and it's really, really
exciting stuff.

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Okay, so we're going to try and
do a reasonably traditional
daily source code.

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Got a promo, got a pod save,
tune lined up for you, see what
else?

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Oh, I have a, it's not really a
mashup, it's, I guess we've got
to come up with a name for these
things.

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It's a cover version, obviously,
but it's kind of a wacky cover
version.

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We've been playing, what do you
play?

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The minimum, the minimum, the
minimum, the minimum, the
minimum, the minimum, the
minimum, the minimum.

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Okay, remember the name of these
guys?

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It is, by the way, it's, it's
way past my bedtime, it's 11.05,
which means it's 4 a.m. in the
UK.

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I've only slept about four and a
half hours each night, and
that's just because, oh, man,
it's just so much to do and so
much to see and so many people.

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To talk to and hang out with,
and then, you know, just want to
think, okay, we're done, then
someone calls, say, let's have
dinner.

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And let me tell you, New York
City, this week is completely
full, it's crazy ass booked
full.

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And I couldn't figure it out
until, of course, I dropped by
Central Park and, oh, yeah, the,
the Christo art exhibit, which
is the gates.

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You've probably heard about this
or read about it or seen the
picture of it.

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All of Central Park is basically
covered in this, but what is
art?

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And I have to agree that it's
art, it's certainly a listening,
a lot of responses, but it's
these orange gates that are all
throughout Central Park.

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And it has brought an amazing
amount of people to the city.

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Every restaurant is full, every
single hotel, book to the hill.

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In fact, the, the Hilton was the
only hotel, I, this is not my
first choice of hotel.

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In fact, if anything, I like a
little more downscale from the
Hilton.

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Although I have to say the Wi-Fi
does kick ass here, but, yeah,
this is like the only room I
could get.

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And I'm basically in, kind of
like a closet, you know, for 200
bucks a night.

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So, thanks to, to the Christo
art exhibit, all the prices have
been jacked up in the city.

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So I got the, got the lot of on.

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So I can walk around a little
bit, look out the window and,

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yeah, let's see, what's it going
to do? Okay, yeah, I was talking
about this cover version and
this song that I want to play
for you.

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Let's see, it's by the gorge,
and I think, I think you'll like
this.

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This is pretty much a, a Snoop
Dogg on Hacid acid, I guess.

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You know, gin and juice? Well,
here's the source code version
for you.

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[ Music ]

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I love that version. Totally
cool. And so I'm listening to
that and I'm like, yeah,

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I'll get into my D.O.W.G. mode
and went to the top of the the
cupboard or the, I guess the
clothing

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closet that's in the room here
where I had carefully stash away
the half of my, let's just

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call it medicine. Soy, source
code listeners, carefully
brought into the country. And
you know,

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that's like, that's risky. So
you want to, you want to be able
to enjoy your medicine. And you
know

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that one of the cleaning ladies
took that from me. And you know
that she's walking around,

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kind of wacky on the, on the
40th floor. I hate that, man.
When, you know, you think
you've, you've

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stashed it and they won't find
it and then it turns up this
disappeared. Go, you, um, to
anyway,

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I'm a New York boy, live to in,
in, in the city actually for,
um, a year in 1987, 1988,

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married my wife here. That was
1989. It actually was, end of
88, sorry. And just being up
here reminds

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me a couple of things. First of
all, how much fun it is to look
out the window and look at all
these

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other buildings and to kind of
looking on other people's lives.
I don't have a telescope used to

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have one when we were in, uh, we
live in the Symphony House on,
uh, 56 in Broadway. 42nd floor
was

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beautiful corner penthouse
apartment. It was just totally,
you know, the, you know, Woody
Allen view,

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everything was, you know, right
on. We had a telescope and you
kind of looked at on other
people's

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lives. I know it's not like the
thing you should be doing, but
it's fun to look across. Now,

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I don't have any magnifying
optics, but I can see lots of
people at work. You know, here
it is 1115

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people working hard. There's so
much energy in, in this city. It
just pumps me up. It really
does.

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And of course, I'll even enjoy
it even more after I get a good
night's sleep with all the, uh,

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with all the jet lag. So I
worked to, of course, at MTV. We
moved out to Jersey in, uh, in
88,

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and you know, started a family,
had a daughter there. And I
commuted in every single day and
then around

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1994, uh, in 1995, I left MTV,
94, 95, around there. Some of
94, I think, and started my own
company

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on ramp, uh, which pretty
quickly turned into, uh, one of
the very first New York-based
internet advertising

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companies. Um, now, so I kind of
fell into that by default. Um,
it wasn't exactly what we said

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out to do. We actually had a
whole entertainment concept,
Metaverse.com. We had, uh, the
vibe and

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cyberslees, and I think I got my
jacket here. It was, uh, it was
a great, you know, we were
really

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creating content for a lot of
big companies at a certain
point. And then of course, we
weren't much

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more into an advertising service
type businesses, you know,
around 97, 98 people started to
get

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kind of wacky with the internet.
Um, so I know a lot of people,
uh, in New York is, is totally
all about,

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what's on New York's all about
money, really. Um, it's where
all the headquarters are the big
companies.

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It's where the advertising world
is. It's where the media
companies have their
headquarters. Um,

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and, uh, it's interesting,
because I've met up with, you
know, some old friends and radio
advertising.

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And everyone's nuts about
podcasting. That's for sure.
Everyone is, you know, that's,
you know,

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that's, you know, what I've been
just meeting with people about,
you know, they want to know
what's

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going on. And of course, these
are all friends or businesses
associates, most of them really
friends

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that I've known for a long time.
And one thing I can guarantee
you that there is a big fear

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that radio is dying. And what
that means is that the, you
know, the radio companies,
marketing advertising

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companies are seeing that
there's no new generation of
listeners. Yeah, they know that
there's radio,

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but they don't care about it.
And that much rather, you know,
listen to their, uh, to their
MP3 player

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or sit on, you know, or do some
Xbox gaming or, uh, in fact,
that's where a lot of kids get
their

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music from us from video games,
you know, the, the, the, the
soundtracks to those. And we're
going to see

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more and more bands being
launched through video games.
That's what I'm hearing. Um, but
we have no

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one really tuning into radio
anymore. And it scares the, the
Jesus out of, uh, the
advertising world,

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we have some friends on Madison
Avenue. Uh, this is with a big,
you know, advertising companies

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are who at one point we even
share holders, uh, OmniCom was a
shareholder in, uh, in our
company

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before we took it public. And
gosh, I mean, they're, they are
so interested in what can be
done

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with podcasting, but they all
have, I think, don't quite have
the, you know, the right idea.

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They're trying to translate into
radio, which, of course, it
isn't. And we're going to talk

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about radio in, in a couple of
minutes, because I had the good
fortune today, uh, to be invited

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to go check out, um, and
actually got a tour of serious
radio, the satellite radio
station,

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or stations, I should say, is
about 120 channels. So we're
going to talk about that.

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But first I want to play some
pot-safe music for you from an
old buddy. This is, uh, from
Vladi,

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Vladi used to work at a company,
think new ideas. In fact, he was
at on-ramp, he was one of the,

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one of the first, who I'm going
to say, one of the first 10
employees. And he's out in, uh,

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he's been out on the west coast
for, uh, for quite a while now
doing all kinds of wacky stuff,

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cinnamonow.com is, uh, where you
can find a lot of bills work.
Anyway, he sent me a podsafe
tune,

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and, uh, he sent me some, uh,
some info for the show notes.
Uh, the title of the song is
second

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best girl track off the misprint
songs that girls like CD, and
that is actually Vladi. Vladi,

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Vladi, Vladi, Vladi, Vladi,
Vladi, Vladi, Vladi, Vladi,
Vladi, Vladi. He plays guitar
and sings

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back up. Uh, in fact, uh, on the
track, I'm going to play for you
right now. It features a
slamming

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guitar solo by my buddy, Vladi,
Vl help her. So check it out
here's second best girl on the
daily

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[ Music ]

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Aらly I laugh so weird

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Said you'd love to go home

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Said you'd love to go home

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[ Music ]

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Second must go

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this world that actually
reminded me a lot of podcasting,
there's just, you know, cool
people

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all over the place, creativity,
oozing out of every, just every
nook and cranny, 42 studios

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at this place. I'll all on one
floor, you would not believe the
infrastructure, everything

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completely digital, mind
boggling and mind blowing what
these guys are doing,
particularly because

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it's like so much like
podcasting, only they've got
this incredible infrastructure.

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I mean, it's, you know, I'm an
idiot, I should have taken some
pictures, I was just so

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in awe, you know, I've been
plenty of studios, but I've
never seen so many and such a

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just a production factory is set
up, you know. Almost none of
this stuff is actually live on

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serious, what the way they do it
is, you know, well first of all
they have knobs of these
channels

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that are, you know, themed music
channels, and every single
channel has a program director

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and he's got a little office and
he's, he or she is responsible
for everything that happens

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on the channel. The shows that
include people are, I think,
just about all of them are
pre-recorded

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and the way it works is the
talent will actually record
their voice tracks at home, they
basically

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FTP them into into the
mothership and there they've got
a person for each show, pretty
much

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doing the way MTV used to do
because we never saw the videos,
we would just record, you know,

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the links from one to the next
and those would be inserted at
the, at the knock the network

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operation center, the basically
the satellite upstreaming place.
It's, that's pretty much the way

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it's done here, it's, you know,
I've spoken about some of these
production systems. They're
basically

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two radio production systems
that are digital that are being
used professionally. One is
called

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Delet, that's used in, mainly
Europe, things of German company
and the states, most companies

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use profit and essentially, you
know, you can just take this
track and they insert it in
between

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the songs and make it flow just
like it was done live, which is
the way I do the source code,

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you know, I start and that's it,
you know, I hit stop when I'm
done. So to do a three-hour show

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it's like 40 minutes of work for
the air talent, but it doesn't
matter because it, you know,

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it works and it sounds great
and, you know, I heard, this is
like, what is an alternative

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country and western channel,
which was just mind boggling
great stuff and as a mojo, nixon
show

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and we talked about mojo
recently, he was the one that
did these stuff and Martha's
mother's song.

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Wow, that guy's an amazing, he's
a podcast, I'm telling you, it
sounds great the way any

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of what he's talking about and
then I listen, they have
listener comment lines, you can
call

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in, of course, that's also all
recorded digitally and then can
be fed into the shows.

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It sounds just like audio
comments, I mean, it's really
exciting and you know, they can
say

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whatever they want and they can
be irreverent, but still it's
very hard and there's a lot of

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escapy radio talent working
there. I was bumping into people
I knew left and right, kid

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Kelly from, from as you 100 New
York, human Newman, who I hadn't
seen in ages, he's like

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one big hug fest, you know, and
it just, it was mind boggling,
but then to see, and everyone
would say,

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oh, you know, if it weren't for
the dot com hype, we wouldn't
have all this infrastructure,

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no one would ever have built
that, I'm like, whoa, okay, so
what do you telling me? Well,

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telling me that is really the
overhead of this place, it's
just amazing, it's expensive,
really expensive.

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But very interesting, it was fun
to see and I apologize, I'm a
dick, I really will have to get
some

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pictures to show you this place
and I'll ask Steve to do it
because Steve just walked us all
over the

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place, we were looking at, you
know, anything, could touch
anything, could sniff it all and
really

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for a, for a podcasting
broadcasting geek like me, it
was wonderful, lots of winky,

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blinky lights and knobs and
buttons and faders and, and the
way it was all integrated, I
mean,

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it was someone's dream project,
so on basically said, hey, you
know what, I'm going to build
the

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ultimate and they did, I don't
know how much it cost to build
this place, but, uh, whoo, I was
just,

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I was jealous, I was absolutely
jealous, although when I
compared and I see how much we
can do just

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on our, you know, on our PCs and
our, our max, it's, uh, you
know, we sound pretty much the
same,

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you know, uh, we're, although,
now I guess technically we have
more glitches, which I think is
always fun,

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by the way, if you're hearing
this big plopping sound just
before a song ends or, uh, or I
want to

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stong starts, that's because I
don't have a mute button on the
wireless microphone on the

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live, so I basically have to
turn the receiver off, which
sounds like that. See, turning
it on,

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kind of gives a big plop.
Somehow, I got, I need a button
on this thing, or, of course,

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I need to figure out how to do
it even better in, uh, audio
hijack pro.

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Adam Curry, hey there, this is
Greg Roach from Spirit of Place.
That's triple dot dot

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Craig Roach online dot com slash
spirit of place. So that's my
shameless plug. Listen, I love

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your show, you're a freaking
genius podcasting is ruining my
life. So thanks a lot. Anyway,
look,

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here's what's on my mind. I
thought you were suggesting for
a reality TV show where you
watch

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celebrities get off cigarettes
is brilliant, but I think we can
do one better. I think you're
missing

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the bird on this one, pal.
Celebrity rehab. How does that
sound? Because you not tune in
to watch,

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Mary Kate and Ashley kick, like
it in. I sure would. Anyway,
thanks a lot, take care.

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Greg, excellent. Yeah, celebrity
rehab. That's a podcast by the
way. We can do that. We don't
need

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video for that. We can do that
in podcast, uh, excellent. There
was something else I wanted to
tell

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you about a podcast that I
caught on, um, openpodcast.org.
Hold on, we can bring up iTunes
here.

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And it actually killed me what
the host said in the show. Hold
on a second. Let me see if

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I can find it. It was the, I
don't want to get it wrong. Um,
oh, that was it. It was the
podcast

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from the front, here, front
porch podcast. That's what it
was. Love this podcast,
comedian.

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Guy tells really funny, topical
jokes. Um, and it happened to
you this up, so I apologize. Let
me,

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let me just see if I can get to
this one particular point in the
podcast. He was really slaying
me with

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some of the humor. I've cast on
the block. I'm doing this in
iTunes. I had about a two mile

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rate. Fast forwarding when New
York and these. If anybody can
figure out how to spell it, I
really

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appreciate it. And hopefully I
can get some of that into my own
way. This is okay. I'll get all
the

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answers it. So he's talking
about the source code, which of
course I love, right? But that's
not,

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that's not what it's about.
It's, you're saying something
else about opiuml show notes.
Okay.

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It's okay. Um, and I should have
killed this up. I apologize.
Here we go.

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Quirky, I'm like, why, you're,
you're, you're a flyer. That's
good for you. But why am I
listening?

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But I can't put it down. And I
think, basically, you've somehow
managed to, uh,

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enclose crack cocaine, uh, into
your opiuml file. So whatever
you're doing, you know, good
looking

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out. Uh, I really appreciate it.
And, uh, hopefully I can get
some of that into my own
podcast.

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More of a trial runs. So I might
not even have it. So yeah,
that's a new technology that
I've

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been working on, uh, really hard
at night. It's, uh, it's a way
to enclose crack cocaine in the
opiuml

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show notes. Yeah, we're really
working hard on that. All right.
Let me do another mashup for
you.

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And then I'm going to get out of
here, uh, see, uh, whoo, I'm
going to meet up with some more
friends

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tomorrow. Uh, hopefully, um,
just get a little bit of sight
seeing. And that'll be nice. The
weather is cold.

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It hasn't been, it really hasn't
been too nice. Uh, and I gotta
say, I'm just, you know,

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it's like, yeah, the, uh, the UK
and Europe have been kind of
cold, but this is just, it's,
yeah,

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it's like bitingly cold. You
know, and it's not even that
bad. It's like, I know, it's
like 60,

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65 degrees, something like that.
It's, uh, not bad. So I'm trying
to open up. I had, uh,

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where's it go? Oh, here it is.
Okay, here's another mashup that
I want to play for you.

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I had one by Madonna. I'm going
to skip that one. I thought the
M&M versus Wild Cherry is this.

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Gonna be something you'd like to
crank up on your MP3 player,
your iPod, whatever your device
of choice is.

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Play that funky music without
me.

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M&M versus Wild Cherry.

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[ Music ]

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Mashup of M&M and Wild
Cherryplay

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That funky music without me

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It's a JPL remix

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So you can find all kinds of
info about JPL remixes and
perhaps this one as well.

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You had mixfreaks.org and a fine
Dutch association.

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By the way, hearing that wild
cherry song, I was like, was
that 1978 something like that?

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And I remember it, you know,
it's one of those songs where
you just go, oh yeah, that was
the school dance.

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I think it was 13 or 14 at the
time.

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And it was like, you know, that
was the song, that was the head
of the day.

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Oh boy, feeling really old right
now.

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Okay, that's it.

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We're just about at our
40-minute mark for today's sort
of the hour of the day.

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That'll do it for February 17th.

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Yeah, 2005.

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Tomorrow.

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Well, it's the thank God of
Friday edition.

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Maybe we'll have a hit test.

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I didn't receive one from me on
today, so.

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Of course, that's okay.

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I can't imagine how he does
those hit tests anyway.

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And we're so far we've had 11 in
rough, it's been great.

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So maybe we'll do some of that.

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Comment, add them at 3.com or
actually hold off on the audio
feedback.

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The NB3 feedback of Gmail.com.

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I'm now at 90% of my 1 gig and I
guess I got to decide what I'm
going to delete.

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If anyone has any ideas of what
I can do to archive some of this
stuff,

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still keep the same email
address and let me know.

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Although archives in the latest
show, a daily source code.com.

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That's it.

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Good night.

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New York.

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Good night, universe.

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I'll see you tomorrow.

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Bye-bye.