WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:03.640 Fletcher's dribbling down the center core. Here we go. Hey, everybody 00:04.360 --> 00:09.860 Welcome to a daily source code special edition from the curry condo in 00:10.760 --> 00:12.120 South Beach 00:12.120 --> 00:17.120 Or is this actually is this Miami Beach or South Beach? I'm not even going to tolerate that as a question 00:17.600 --> 00:19.420 This would of course mean that it's 00:19.420 --> 00:22.640 If you don't know the answer, you don't qualify okay residents and 00:24.080 --> 00:26.080 So it's a special on the road edition 00:26.840 --> 00:28.840 been here on vacation and 00:31.000 --> 00:36.840 Ron and I thought it would be Ron Bloom my friend partner and co-founder out 00:38.800 --> 00:43.640 Boku communications and do you hear that home all the sudden? 00:43.640 --> 00:49.160 Yes, our neighbors maybe some of the colleges. Yeah, so we've actually got a pretty interesting set up 00:49.160 --> 00:53.800 We're on the balcony here in the in the building Ron lives in this building and 00:54.920 --> 00:59.280 We're renting an apartment for our 10 day stay. That sounds shitty 00:59.280 --> 01:01.280 Where'd that come from all of a sudden? 01:01.560 --> 01:03.640 You're much level here not another level here 01:04.640 --> 01:11.040 And oh, they know how more sounds like you're a blackberry. Oh, move that away 01:12.960 --> 01:20.340 No, no, wow. It's the coffee. We'll live through it. Yeah, actually these might so we've got a the task cam 01:20.960 --> 01:26.480 Pocket studio five that we're using as a mic mixer and we're both wearing these headphone 01:26.480 --> 01:31.520 Microphone deals the headset with a mic that come you know like the Jan Jackson microphone 01:31.520 --> 01:36.080 Which actually makes us look more like to highly under qualified guys doing a 01:36.720 --> 01:42.680 A play by play at a college basketball game. I must say I didn't enjoy your wardrobe now function 01:44.120 --> 01:47.120 Half time and so we're sitting on the balcony 01:48.080 --> 01:51.640 Overlooking let's see, that's the is that the Miami skyline 01:51.640 --> 01:54.920 That's how Miami you're overlooking this game bay 01:55.520 --> 01:59.760 And that sounds much better than the Miami skyline. I love the Miami skyline 02:00.400 --> 02:07.600 Metropolitan Miami right you're listening to the airport flying over here because this week we're in the flight path 02:07.600 --> 02:12.320 You know, they take off that they move it around. No, they don't move that around to please you 02:12.320 --> 02:16.960 They move that around depending on the wind. No, that that's the other part. I mean noise control 02:16.960 --> 02:19.360 You watch a no bank hard to the left. Oh, okay 02:19.360 --> 02:25.380 I mean we call that noise abatement. Yeah, you do. We just like get the fuck out of my sky 02:26.380 --> 02:28.380 Okay, Ron, so 02:28.800 --> 02:30.800 There's a cup actually 02:30.800 --> 02:32.800 It's as real treat to have you on the show 02:32.800 --> 02:36.000 appreciate you making room on the couch. Yeah, okay 02:37.480 --> 02:43.400 What's your you know, maybe we should set some stuff up first cool. So people know who you are they are they all know who I am 02:43.400 --> 02:50.520 Do you want me to drag it out of you or yeah, that's the probability of something ring the pitch 02:51.520 --> 02:59.200 So maybe we should okay, well, you're from Atlanta. That's where you were born born and bred. Okay, and you're how old? 03:00.080 --> 03:01.440 Lenty 03:01.440 --> 03:03.440 That's not 20 03:03.840 --> 03:09.800 That's twice 20 plus okay, but your roots actually aren't necessarily business. No, no 03:10.360 --> 03:12.360 Well, my roots are in entertainment 03:13.400 --> 03:14.760 musician 03:14.760 --> 03:16.760 a bag of bond 03:16.760 --> 03:18.760 20 years on the road 03:18.760 --> 03:22.360 And I'm gonna make it home tonight. You see you joke about it, but 03:23.880 --> 03:29.640 You're well since we didn't establish your age, but you're old enough to have I did you actually play on some stocks records? 03:29.880 --> 03:31.880 Yeah, I played a 03:31.880 --> 03:36.520 A lot of R&B sessions in the 60s early 60s as a guitarist 03:37.520 --> 03:45.040 And when you live in the south, you learn how to R&B pretty early so we we were a small group of musicians that ended up being in bands like 03:45.680 --> 03:53.640 They came from the R&B world ended up being in bands like Leonard Skinner and Almond Brothers and the those sort of southern rock R&B inspired bands 03:53.640 --> 03:57.040 Mm-hmm, and I played I became a session guy and a songwriter 03:57.520 --> 04:00.520 Yeah, anything that we might have heard 04:01.320 --> 04:07.440 Let's see now I was fortunate enough to be involved in one of the few songs in history. We are the world 04:08.240 --> 04:13.440 Almost as interesting one of the few songs in history to be a top 10 record in two different 04:14.320 --> 04:19.960 Generations same same song. Okay. I would know it. You would know it. Okay 04:21.240 --> 04:28.840 It's like a hit testing how many bars and it's out. I'll tell you the the first line of the chorus 04:30.520 --> 04:32.520 If I could fly 04:35.080 --> 04:37.560 Is that a if I could fly 04:40.760 --> 04:42.760 Is that bread? 04:44.920 --> 04:46.920 Okay 04:47.320 --> 04:49.320 It's not even water 04:49.720 --> 04:56.800 But that's what I'm gonna be having it's a song called Into the Night and it's it was a hit song by a Benny Bernoude 04:56.800 --> 05:04.880 Benny Mardonus any more down. Yeah, sure. We recorded that song. That was a huge hit number one. Yeah, I'm a one single yeah, and 05:06.520 --> 05:11.400 Eight years later after all the drug money was used up with Benny for the next record 05:12.880 --> 05:19.320 Was the advance for the second record you don't do drugs. I didn't ever have but he he did he did enough for both of us and 05:21.320 --> 05:25.540 The second record didn't quite go anywhere but the first record had into the night which was a nice big hit and 05:25.540 --> 05:30.220 Then about eight or nine years later after not speaking to him for a while he calls me up because they were running 05:32.660 --> 05:35.700 In the band back together and some a disjocke and 05:36.820 --> 05:38.260 Texas I think 05:38.260 --> 05:45.400 Played it as an oldy but it had been been so long as since anyone heard it. They thought it was a newy right and they started requesting it. Yeah, sure 05:45.400 --> 05:48.180 I know there was no record in the poly polygram 05:48.580 --> 05:51.180 Didn't want to re-release it cuz they left on hard terms 05:51.500 --> 05:57.020 So we went out and we re-recorded the single a sound alike of our own record really 05:58.140 --> 06:03.060 Over just to own the master just to have a new master right and that master went up to top five 06:03.060 --> 06:08.460 I don't think it made it to one but it like number three year number two. Yeah, cuz I was at MTV when it was getting a lot of play 06:08.460 --> 06:09.820 Yeah, you go there you go 06:09.820 --> 06:15.440 So I'm associated with a few of those in other records and bits and pieces and if you're watching late night 06:15.440 --> 06:22.720 HBO or Showtime and you see some really bad B movies like a high school movies like you know more like Chuck Norris movie 06:23.720 --> 06:26.080 Yeah, the bound to see some of my music hanging out 06:26.080 --> 06:32.240 Now you didn't you do some business with Chuck Norris sure enough did we had a kung fu studio 06:33.440 --> 06:37.760 Really, yeah, we had a recording studio well we called it audio post production 06:38.320 --> 06:44.600 It's a very professional. We did post production for cannon films and Warner Brothers films out there in Los Angeles 06:45.520 --> 06:50.560 Had a beautiful studio built into a villa and we ran that for about three years 06:51.520 --> 06:58.720 During which time I made lots of lots of records and lots of lots of songs for film mostly be movies like mixing in action 07:00.560 --> 07:02.560 Missing in action, yeah 07:02.560 --> 07:08.080 Really you score for that not the score where lots of keys on yeah, and you know you see him for everything from 07:08.720 --> 07:12.560 Disney movies like pre hysteria, you know children movies all the way up to 07:13.120 --> 07:18.640 Movies of the other opposite ill-quare. There's not a lot of where your name is not rom-bloom, but then dover 07:18.640 --> 07:20.640 He doesn't have a lot of dialogue 07:21.040 --> 07:25.040 How a lot of dialogue and those but lots of room for sound the movie. I did the voice over for the 07:25.440 --> 07:30.640 The voice dubbing got a fully wrecked penis or word from hustler magas. Yeah, I think I got a couple of those things too 07:30.640 --> 07:32.640 for them on my 07:32.640 --> 07:35.040 astounding hair raising or maybe it wasn't hair 07:35.680 --> 07:37.680 Soundtracks 07:38.160 --> 07:40.160 Okay, I was in Los Angeles 07:40.160 --> 07:42.160 Yeah, man. I was in Los Angeles 07:42.560 --> 07:46.720 And I was running the studio process and then I started thinking about this internet thing 07:46.720 --> 07:50.400 Don't you skip the whole really important part when talk about Stephanie 07:51.840 --> 07:53.840 Stephanie's simplest junior. Yeah, that one 07:55.360 --> 07:58.560 Stephanie. That's an important part. Is it? Yeah, I think so 08:00.480 --> 08:02.480 Okay, all right 08:02.480 --> 08:06.080 So I won't delve into it. You just give me the highlight the executive summary 08:06.480 --> 08:10.720 Executive summary like where do you meet her? I was like the first time Kavalo 08:10.880 --> 08:12.880 Hello and far-knowly who managed 08:13.120 --> 08:14.080 Prince 08:14.080 --> 08:16.080 Asked me to remix some 08:16.080 --> 08:18.080 Prince artist music and 08:18.080 --> 08:21.120 I did that and put some the prints and 08:21.440 --> 08:25.200 Myself have it the only two people in the United States that had this thing called a fair light 08:25.760 --> 08:27.760 Which people do they call Sam? 08:27.760 --> 08:28.560 Walk 08:28.560 --> 08:30.560 Fairly was awesome man and 08:31.760 --> 08:32.800 So 08:32.800 --> 08:37.920 Disem stuff with friends or four prints and the same management company picked up Stephanie 08:38.560 --> 08:41.840 Stephanie, Stephanie princess Stephanie of Monica. Yeah, yeah 08:42.560 --> 08:44.960 That's a one of the managers over there call me and so hey, you know 08:45.600 --> 08:49.200 I had already built a reputation for writing music for people who really couldn't sing 08:51.440 --> 08:54.640 Kind of one of those myself were you behind me leaving you that guy? 08:55.440 --> 08:56.400 That's right fair 08:56.400 --> 08:59.040 Yeah, but between not being able to sing and not singing at all 08:59.040 --> 09:00.400 Yeah 09:00.400 --> 09:02.400 Yeah, you know people like 09:03.120 --> 09:05.280 Jack Wagner. I'm a song for Jack Wagner 09:05.360 --> 09:07.360 Excellent 09:07.360 --> 09:09.200 I can sing pretty good, but it's not gonna be 09:09.840 --> 09:11.840 Not gonna cover off the ball those type of people 09:12.080 --> 09:13.040 So 09:13.040 --> 09:18.080 The idea is to write a song that that person can handle so they ask me to write some songs for Stephanie 09:19.120 --> 09:21.440 And she came over to studio. That's how I'm there 09:22.880 --> 09:24.880 Okay 09:25.280 --> 09:29.440 To be in the rest of the history to be continued one day. Yeah, okay 09:30.000 --> 09:31.200 So 09:31.200 --> 09:35.040 So then you start hearing about this internet thing so you were basically in LA you were 09:36.240 --> 09:41.920 You're probably like just running around right trying to get some shit going on trying to get something happening 09:42.320 --> 09:48.480 Well, I sold this studio right yeah, and I was with freelance producer just writing songs and working on tracks 09:49.280 --> 09:55.760 And when I had worked on the fair light I started I had sent some files back and forth through the internet and 09:57.600 --> 09:59.760 I started hearing about this thing called a browser 10:00.720 --> 10:05.600 And I started screwing around with it. I'll you remember this old machine. I had the hardly worked in a dialogue dude 10:05.600 --> 10:08.240 Where you had all the sounds for every single finder effect 10:08.240 --> 10:13.600 Yeah, loser you're like so bad. I had a very swapping out files just to play this plug 10:13.920 --> 10:16.640 Yeah, I was like into the sound thing. I did it. It's nothing 10:17.360 --> 10:19.760 I'll never forget that. Yeah, okay, so 10:20.400 --> 10:24.400 So you know man this got to be something to this I think I think this possible to 10:25.360 --> 10:31.360 To reinvent music by bringing it on to this internet thing. So I'm checking around. I'm writing a 10:32.960 --> 10:34.960 info Marshall and 10:34.960 --> 10:40.400 Was that golf licks and not quite but it was of about credit repair which we all needed at that particular time 10:40.400 --> 10:42.400 I grew and 10:42.400 --> 10:48.480 And we needed a producer a camera man sound man in New York and we found this guy named Rick and Kilman 10:49.520 --> 10:51.520 and Rick Kilman 10:52.160 --> 10:56.320 And I were talking during the break of filming this awesome info Marshall 10:57.440 --> 11:02.320 And he says you know I know this guy named Adam Curry who knows this internet thing 11:02.320 --> 11:04.320 I said you mean long-haired 11:04.880 --> 11:06.880 Video god Adam Curry 11:06.880 --> 11:08.880 Now what did you really say 11:08.880 --> 11:11.680 That dark I said is that dark a geek or that geek adore 11:11.680 --> 11:16.160 Uh-huh, so Rick Kilman was the audio guy at MTV. He was also all he's a radio guy 11:16.240 --> 11:20.960 He does all you know anything that has to do with sound and he does he's a piece of work 11:22.080 --> 11:24.080 And so you know 11:24.080 --> 11:28.880 I said well if somebody this is just out there as Rick Kilman says it Adam Curry's kind of cool 11:28.880 --> 11:31.120 He also said he did Adam Curry was difficult 11:31.680 --> 11:33.680 Really? So I said well if he's difficult 11:33.680 --> 11:37.680 Yeah, I said if he's difficult and you know that's kind of guy I want to work with 11:38.640 --> 11:47.840 I'm pretty difficult myself and so I cold called you that's right and you were kind of had one foot out the door at MTV or you were kind of 11:48.160 --> 11:56.080 No, I think I was already you out just already out. Yeah, and I and I was sitting in an office with Brad Sirling. Yeah, and did I have 11:56.080 --> 12:01.280 Do we have any other people there not yet just Brad right? Yeah, at Media America. We're sitting up there 12:01.680 --> 12:04.080 With a half an ISD and line trying to 12:04.640 --> 12:10.800 I share some internet a chair in a box. Yeah, literally a chair really that because when we had our meeting we had to pull in another box 12:12.480 --> 12:16.880 I talked to you on the phone. I said hey man. I got this idea. I want to do this music thing on the internet 12:17.440 --> 12:23.440 And I want to do it for the Grammy Awards because I knew the guy that ran the narrows the National Academy 12:23.440 --> 12:30.240 Recording Arts and Sciences and I've done some music work around the Grammy. So I figured I would try to convince them to sponsor the idea 12:30.240 --> 12:33.600 Bring in music online and you said cool 12:34.160 --> 12:40.400 Yeah, you know, and then I came to New York the next day. That's right. I showed up with you like your black blue jeans your black 12:40.400 --> 12:46.880 Adams and you're you know like black cowboy boots, you know way too hip for the fucking room black 12:48.080 --> 12:56.320 Major black ass actually like attitude, but yeah, yeah, man. And then and that was a very enchanting because as many have said 12:57.280 --> 12:59.280 After me 13:01.040 --> 13:08.400 You've tell a story like Kenny you've been just a saxophone. I was I wove the web. You know, I didn't build a web. I just wove 13:09.360 --> 13:13.600 So it's okay, so from my perspective that was like, oh, it's guys got something happening and 13:14.240 --> 13:20.720 Did I didn't I agree to come out to LA the next day or two days later? We go back together. Yeah, we went to the next day. Yeah, all the way back to 13:20.720 --> 13:28.720 I would know no plan on how to sell it. We went down to the narrows. They just moved into this new building and then right my green 13:29.600 --> 13:30.560 And 13:30.560 --> 13:36.080 Rob's sin. Oh, Rob's and I forgot I was gonna say what's his name right. Yeah, both George boys and 13:37.040 --> 13:42.400 With the aquarium in the office. Yeah, he was real proud man. He had a beautiful office. We should go get that thing 13:42.560 --> 13:49.120 He built a beautiful building and probably available. Yeah, you know, he he took the Grammys not many people listening probably know 13:49.120 --> 13:54.400 I bet it Grammys was an inch away from exhibition. It was a death brand. No one wanted to fucking do anything with it 13:54.880 --> 14:00.160 And he's got a little bit of craziness in his in his recent background, but man. He rebuilt that brand and 14:00.560 --> 14:02.560 What we said to him was hey, you know 14:02.800 --> 14:07.680 It's tired. You know in the Grammys is it's a tired brand for tired old people and if you want to get hit 14:07.680 --> 14:13.040 You got to do something with the internet and he he said a very intelligent thing. I never forget what is the internet? 14:13.040 --> 14:16.240 Yeah, this internet used to be go. What is that? 14:16.240 --> 14:29.680 1994. I was like a October 94 right and we proceeded to explain what we thought it was and we came up with this idea that we called a cybercast 14:30.160 --> 14:33.280 And that it not what the internet people think of it today 14:33.920 --> 14:38.160 But for us it was a simultaneous. We were going to use television radio 14:39.360 --> 14:42.400 And the internet see you see me. Yeah, and 14:43.440 --> 14:48.640 Well, okay, I'm getting ahead of us. So we're more the story or later 14:49.840 --> 14:55.240 Well, yeah, we'll do that later. Yeah, we'll just move forward the Grammys story. Yeah, so anyway 14:55.240 --> 14:58.240 So long long story short. I said Ron 14:59.920 --> 15:02.000 Was it before the Grammys or someone else had to well 15:02.560 --> 15:06.960 Once you come on in take half the company and let's go let's go build this fucker 15:06.960 --> 15:11.120 It was during the Grammys disc trade. Yeah, we kind of looked. I think we realized it 15:11.120 --> 15:15.120 I think we realized we had a vibe in a way out of partnership and instinctively 15:15.440 --> 15:21.680 At least for me, you know instinctively we just started splitting the work and getting some done and not bitching about it 15:22.400 --> 15:27.440 Finding attracting smart people good people. Yeah, so then we'll just 15:28.080 --> 15:32.400 Because there are lots of stories and we should certainly talk about some of them in podcasts in the future 15:32.400 --> 15:36.960 Yeah, but then eventually we wound up taking our 15:38.000 --> 15:39.600 Company 15:39.600 --> 15:47.600 Public I mean that was actually I remember we had a conversation in the hallway and the conversation was okay here are choices 15:48.080 --> 15:50.080 we can 15:50.240 --> 15:52.240 Go take money from 15:52.240 --> 15:54.240 John 15:54.240 --> 15:56.960 And be his bitch, but in a good way yeah 15:57.040 --> 15:59.040 In a good way 15:59.200 --> 16:04.320 Or we have a maybe a once-in-one lifetime opportunity to take a company public 16:04.880 --> 16:06.880 I think we both what's right there went 16:07.440 --> 16:14.320 That's doing the public thing. That's going to be interesting, but that was 95 that was way before the bubble the first question we asked was what's public 16:14.320 --> 16:20.560 Yeah, how does that work? Yeah, that was that work. Yeah, that was a really good ride. Yeah, that was I was most excellent 16:20.880 --> 16:24.000 Well, you know considering what we've learned about people who think they have it down 16:24.000 --> 16:25.600 I thought we handled ourselves pretty well 16:26.560 --> 16:32.800 So we went through everything that a major a major corporation goes through without lying 16:33.440 --> 16:39.920 Yeah, exactly and then you know we we built a business over a hundred million in revenue when we were selling that yeah, that was real money 16:39.920 --> 16:42.480 Real money yeah, I mean a big payroll too 16:42.480 --> 16:46.400 We do we have like four hundred and twenty five employees or something like almost five hundred 16:47.280 --> 16:50.240 Crazy 60 million bucks a year payroll 16:51.440 --> 16:53.440 Holy moly so 16:54.400 --> 17:01.360 That that was merged into another public company. Yeah, and they're still around and they're still making my little money 17:01.360 --> 17:06.560 It's always yeah, it's some of our original guys are back out on their own and lots of our original guys 17:06.560 --> 17:13.680 They're all over the place. We see to the whole generation of misfits that really talented and there's still an alumni list that 17:14.160 --> 17:17.360 Twenty-four all still post two once in a while, so yeah, and 17:18.320 --> 17:22.960 And anyway, so we've been in touch often on for the past five six years 17:23.200 --> 17:27.200 Yeah, we sold we sold it in 99 and we been on enough since then 17:29.120 --> 17:31.120 And 17:31.120 --> 17:33.120 Then what happened? 17:33.120 --> 17:38.080 In the middle of that we tried a couple of ideas. I mean, I think that I think that both of us felt 17:38.720 --> 17:44.480 That this idea of an individual being self-publishing or we we thought of it as self-casting 17:45.040 --> 17:48.640 Was going to happen yeah, because you got into 17:49.280 --> 17:53.280 Well, do you could you got into some interesting stuff with mesh networks and cable network? 17:54.320 --> 17:58.480 I tried every possible form of technology. I could to convince any big company 17:59.040 --> 18:01.680 That upstream was as important as downstream, you know 18:02.240 --> 18:03.440 Yeah, close up all the time 18:03.440 --> 18:05.920 And you had jambi and you were doing some really cool stuff and 18:06.720 --> 18:14.080 You know, I came out and visited you in Holland. We almost did the jambi thing together and then you almost did capacity with me and we went back and forth and yeah 18:14.560 --> 18:15.840 And then 18:15.840 --> 18:18.640 And you know that it was just the drive to you go 18:19.600 --> 18:24.160 Some place you know different and then you found it you found it you called me last year 18:25.200 --> 18:27.600 One of those out of the blue calls that I learned to expect from you 18:29.360 --> 18:34.640 That now other people have come to expect from us. Yeah, you know Lance is always like oh 18:34.960 --> 18:38.800 There's Ron. Oh, there's that. Yeah, yeah, there's 30 years there 18:38.800 --> 18:41.040 So yeah, it's a bridge. We hadn't burned yet. That's pretty good 18:42.000 --> 18:47.840 You said hey you said they do it. I think I really have it this time. You know, and it was sound in your voice where 18:48.880 --> 18:50.640 You know, I just said all right 18:50.640 --> 18:55.120 He probably does it feels right even before I heard what it was and you said, you know 18:55.760 --> 18:57.760 Look, it's very simple 18:58.000 --> 19:00.000 File make your own stuff 19:00.000 --> 19:04.720 Distribute it yourself. Yeah, and and and I said this is fantastic 19:05.520 --> 19:10.000 You know and we immediately I think started doing some interesting things and at least talking about it 19:10.080 --> 19:13.520 Which is the way we started the last big thing we did yeah, but for like months months 19:13.520 --> 19:17.200 We talked for it. We really attracted for a long long time and you know 19:17.200 --> 19:23.440 I think I think we made a commitment then to be to not overstep it on a commercial side and and let 19:24.000 --> 19:29.200 The listener the potential audience tell us if they like the idea let the potential production audience 19:29.200 --> 19:32.400 You know let us know if they if they dug doing it and 19:33.600 --> 19:38.080 And to set it up, you know to use what we learned in our last adventure to our benefit this time 19:38.240 --> 19:39.600 You know 19:39.600 --> 19:41.600 so 19:41.600 --> 19:43.600 You know, I subscribe to 19:43.920 --> 19:49.920 Just millions of feeds and millions of podcasts. I'm listening to everything and everybody as much as I can 19:50.720 --> 19:53.360 I have my life as one big podcast 19:54.560 --> 20:01.760 And I came across this podcast just before we got on the plane to come down here or over here over and down here 20:02.640 --> 20:04.640 From something called 20:04.640 --> 20:06.640 dreadful snake radio 20:06.640 --> 20:12.560 I like it already. Yeah, it's really cool and it's a creative bit which maybe we'll get tired of it halfway through 20:12.800 --> 20:17.520 But it's worth listening to a little bit of it because it addresses some concerns that 20:18.400 --> 20:20.400 The podcast community 20:20.400 --> 20:22.400 You know, which means 20:22.400 --> 20:28.560 I don't know what that means, but it's there's noise out there. You know, there's a lot of people want to know what's going on and there's like 20:28.800 --> 20:35.280 Odio came out with something and then they didn't have something and now they have something really cool and and no one really understands what we're doing 20:35.680 --> 20:37.680 That's good 20:37.680 --> 20:39.680 I think is really great 20:39.680 --> 20:43.920 That's the first step in doing something well exactly so he so we put together this 20:44.320 --> 20:50.080 Podcast called money and podcasting a semi rant and he just asked some questions which you know 20:50.080 --> 20:55.120 I think would be fun if we just listen to him just address it. Let's do it. It's it's a creative little thing 20:56.080 --> 21:00.400 Come on, let me see dreadful snake radio. Yeah, I was so 21:01.280 --> 21:03.760 So if you want to stop it just raise your hand y'all 21:06.880 --> 21:08.880 Set funds on bread 21:09.440 --> 21:12.720 Well, hi, this is dreadful snake radio guy and 21:13.680 --> 21:15.680 Today's subject 21:15.680 --> 21:19.760 It's about podcasting and I'm directing this 21:20.320 --> 21:22.320 Conversation to anybody that's interested 21:22.640 --> 21:26.160 But if you're if you're not a podcaster yourself 21:26.800 --> 21:28.080 You may be going 21:28.080 --> 21:30.080 I'm not sure if I know what this is all about 21:31.040 --> 21:35.440 But give this a shot if you are into podcasting yourself and 21:36.640 --> 21:39.440 Then I think this is really an important topic 21:39.680 --> 21:47.920 So I'm gonna try to wax eloquent here. I've been mentally calling this a rant as I've sort of prepared some of the thoughts for it 21:47.920 --> 21:51.680 You actually tell you why it is really sort of a poll-revere 21:52.000 --> 21:54.000 Warning thing 21:56.000 --> 21:58.000 I want to stake out 21:58.000 --> 22:00.000 All around podcasting 22:00.880 --> 22:08.480 Just as another line of thought because I see this podcasting as a movement that's at a crossroads 22:09.040 --> 22:14.720 And I want to address some stuff that Adam Curry is bringing to the marketplace right now 22:15.120 --> 22:17.120 See why I want to do here 22:17.120 --> 22:19.120 Yeah 22:19.840 --> 22:24.720 You got to listen to this. This is great. It's about this. He did some like bits. You'll like it. It's really funny 22:24.720 --> 22:27.360 And it really has to do with the fact that this movement 22:28.080 --> 22:32.400 may become a marketplace and this is not an anti-adom 22:32.400 --> 22:34.400 That's a that's a good 22:34.400 --> 22:37.920 The movement become a more marketplace thing. It's a matter of fact 22:37.920 --> 22:41.600 Adam as you'll you'll hear when I do this is kind of a hero a mine 22:42.000 --> 22:48.880 I think he's an incredible talent and has the potential to bring this in this movement if you will 22:49.760 --> 22:53.760 To a place where it will be incredibly better than it will be today 22:54.160 --> 22:55.760 But I'm a little worried 22:55.760 --> 23:02.800 I'm a little worried. I'm a lot worried about some of the stuff I hear around it's me so bear with me here we go 23:03.280 --> 23:04.800 Here's what I have in mind 23:04.800 --> 23:10.640 Okay, this is not an anti-adom Curry statement. What this is is it's a plea 23:11.360 --> 23:13.520 It's a plea for keeping 23:13.520 --> 23:17.440 Populism popular and keeping access open 23:18.240 --> 23:25.760 In podcasting. That's one of the things that's the coolest about podcasting is it's an absolutely open movement 23:26.320 --> 23:34.080 I was involved in some early television when cable TV started coming out there was a movement called gorilla TV the Michael Shamburg 23:34.960 --> 23:39.280 Did you ever hear of that? Yeah, I'm a gorilla TV man. What? It's like outgold scene 23:39.280 --> 23:43.440 It was a lot of that stuff down south too with it. Really? That's a real time of return 23:44.320 --> 23:47.120 Irundated in cable in his own way really 23:47.920 --> 23:52.320 And the blue channel you know gorilla TV the blue channel and the york you know the blue channel 23:52.880 --> 23:58.480 Yeah, that's what Robin bird and all that stuff. Yeah, is she still on well? I know Mr. Cameron man 23:58.880 --> 24:03.280 Come on baby bang my box. We used to love watching that when we first moved to New York 24:03.280 --> 24:05.280 That's sweet. We digress 24:07.520 --> 24:10.480 We dude Howard Stern is gonna make a hundred million dollars a year 24:10.480 --> 24:13.840 Let me just tell you something. Yeah, this is something you're gonna enjoy. Yeah, okay 24:15.120 --> 24:19.600 250 mercer my old pad and yeah guess who had to be for me 24:20.720 --> 24:23.200 No idea you just said our name dude 24:24.640 --> 24:27.200 Robin bird had your pad 250 mercer 24:29.280 --> 24:35.760 Did you meet her that's what I heard? I'm sure but there were some things on the wall that you heard about the bird heard about there was a wood 24:36.720 --> 24:40.320 Little Robin bird all right back to this dude. Yeah, all right 24:40.720 --> 24:45.200 Was the spearhead up I was involved in some of that stuff. I've just from time to time 24:45.200 --> 24:47.840 I mean, I'm no revolutionary, you know, I'm a 24:48.240 --> 24:55.200 Believe me, I'm not but I've been involved from time to time in these grassroots movements and I see what happens to them 24:55.600 --> 25:01.920 The money comes in thing. I really think we're to cross roads and we got to make sure that we don't let the money aspect 25:02.480 --> 25:13.200 Take this great possibility that's podcasting down the toilet of commercialism like it has on every other form of media that we've seen out there 25:14.640 --> 25:16.640 Wow, he's flushed with excitement 25:18.000 --> 25:22.400 But isn't that misguided? Well, yeah, I mean isn't this completely it's like 25:23.040 --> 25:25.520 How can money control anything? Well 25:26.160 --> 25:31.520 The only way that money controls is if there's a limit of resources to broadcast 25:31.520 --> 25:37.520 If there's a limit of number of resources money can buy up the resources and control it 25:38.000 --> 25:43.520 So the real thing that's going to choke off podcasting is going to be lack of enthusiasm from content 25:44.400 --> 25:48.480 People if they don't do good stuff good enough stuff to attract attention then 25:49.280 --> 25:51.280 It's going to be the victim of its own 25:52.160 --> 25:56.960 Self out of the evolutionary chain right so but and and 25:57.440 --> 26:04.640 Why do creative people not show up to the party? I mean they're they're here, but so what if that what would make that dry up? 26:05.280 --> 26:10.880 Well, what that what happens is we have to simplify the process of letting people be creative 26:11.280 --> 26:13.280 Look and let me try something else out on you 26:13.840 --> 26:18.480 Okay, one to one communication through the phone. You know one to one audio 26:19.120 --> 26:24.400 We've had 60 70 years to get every permutation of it you could possibly have 26:24.960 --> 26:32.320 From from cell phones or regular phones to conference calls to calls with messaging and all these different things that are happening 26:32.320 --> 26:34.320 Well huge industries 26:34.880 --> 26:40.880 Have grown up around one to one communication, but now we have self publishing and there's no 26:41.520 --> 26:43.520 Real industries around self publishing 26:44.080 --> 26:45.280 Web logs 26:45.280 --> 26:48.880 Is the first hint at an industry and an industry doesn't have to be commercial 26:49.600 --> 26:52.640 Just has to have enough people to crank a wheel of progress, right? 26:52.720 --> 26:58.480 So but that so it's an industry then web logs now isn't it? Yeah, it may not be a commercially successful one 26:58.480 --> 27:07.040 But it's industrious and it's self perpetuating, right and and there's millions of people self publishing and millions of people listening 27:07.520 --> 27:12.080 Reading there's not millions of people self publishing and billions of people listening 27:12.640 --> 27:13.680 This is different 27:13.680 --> 27:18.400 Is that again? There's millions of people self publishing right and there's millions of people reading 27:18.880 --> 27:26.000 But the ratio of readers to self publishers is not of the typical ratio of a normal medium where you have a narrow amount of providers 27:26.560 --> 27:31.920 And a large huge audience a large amount of consumers so what what needs to happen in 27:32.960 --> 27:37.680 Podcasting at least in my arrogant opinion is that the that there needs to be an 27:38.240 --> 27:41.120 Constantly open doorway for anyone to self publish 27:41.920 --> 27:47.520 Filtering mechanism for them to find the level that they want to which they want to rise in their self publishing endeavors 27:48.000 --> 27:54.080 And then all of those publishers need to support each other in a manner that drives the audience because some people want to listen 27:54.800 --> 27:56.800 Some people want to speak and 27:57.360 --> 28:05.120 Podcasting is an is in a method for one to speak to many and the many can be one to two or it can be one to two million 28:05.760 --> 28:13.120 So this this industry where other than saying this commercial industry is is waiting for 28:13.440 --> 28:18.240 People not to worry so much about whether there is money or isn't money and start talking about how we all band together 28:18.240 --> 28:19.520 We're going to track listeners 28:19.520 --> 28:21.520 You care about what being said 28:21.520 --> 28:27.440 Because that's the that's the bottom line is if we could spend you and I could go raise a hundred million dollars 28:27.440 --> 28:34.720 And we could get we could foster all kinds of podcasting make it free for everyone to do it in the end if no one wanted to listen then that's it 28:34.720 --> 28:36.720 We'd have you know 28:37.600 --> 28:40.320 What was it X football triple X football? 28:40.400 --> 28:42.400 Whatever that was 28:42.400 --> 28:48.320 Hundred million dollars of wasted effort of something that one was interested in we're part part of the beauty of podcasting is that 28:49.120 --> 28:51.120 And this guy will get to it actually 28:51.120 --> 28:54.560 Oh, hold that thought let's listen to it because he he 28:55.440 --> 29:01.760 He actually asked the question that I would come up with next so let's go explore that topic in a couple places, okay? 29:02.400 --> 29:05.200 Let me you like this format. I like to form that in 29:06.160 --> 29:12.080 He start with a sound effect and asking you what you think it is here we go 29:14.400 --> 29:17.200 No, this is the comedic bit. This is funny 29:19.600 --> 29:21.600 So what is this sound? 29:22.320 --> 29:29.200 Okay, what do you think that was that whistling wind sound? It was a whistling. There's two choices now answer a 29:29.840 --> 29:39.040 That was the Microsoft evil empire blowing smoke up Adam Curry's butt by sending him a new machine that shows video of 29:39.760 --> 29:43.920 Demembers of Doran Doran personally addressing Adam Curry 29:44.560 --> 29:52.320 Backing him in and hypnotizing him into the evil empire of Redmond Washington 29:53.280 --> 30:00.480 Or Doran Doran backwards is not rude in a rude it could be me and 4,000 other potters 30:01.280 --> 30:05.520 Trying to blow smoke up his ass also trying to get a mention on his show 30:05.520 --> 30:11.120 I know I've done it I sent him emails that he's ignored so what I'm trying to say is 30:12.240 --> 30:17.120 I guess we're all pimping our stuff and I don't want to just say that Microsoft is doing it 30:17.920 --> 30:23.040 I'm doing it to I'm I'm trying to get people to vote for me on pad podcast alley 30:23.040 --> 30:26.240 I'm I'm pimping my show there's no doubt about it 30:26.640 --> 30:33.360 But Microsoft is pimping our technology to add him and everybody like Adam that's a leader in this industry too 30:33.760 --> 30:38.080 So there's a lot of that stuff going around and I only mentioned that because 30:39.920 --> 30:44.640 It's going on and let's realize that a lot of the big corporate interests are realizing 30:45.200 --> 30:52.080 Maybe this is something that's going to take off and people are worried about it people are interested in putting some money into it 30:52.480 --> 30:54.480 Let's see what happens now 30:54.800 --> 30:58.800 Let me specifically address a statement to Adam for a moment 30:59.200 --> 31:02.720 Adam you are one of my heroes you are the 31:02.720 --> 31:09.920 Does this will does a hot God that's my that's my thing for you the PG and then you are the pod god 31:10.480 --> 31:14.640 And they're I just want to ask you to be careful 31:15.600 --> 31:22.000 About where you take this movement we've got because it sounds like you want to take it from a movement 31:22.560 --> 31:28.160 To an industry so let me examine that word couple of key questions question number one 31:28.960 --> 31:36.080 Adam Curry can you actually take it somewhere and my answer is yes, I think you can and here's why 31:37.360 --> 31:39.360 I consider Adam Curry a leader 31:40.080 --> 31:41.920 Of what's going on in podcast 31:42.320 --> 31:44.320 What's the definition of leadership? 31:44.320 --> 31:49.840 You know, I do not work in business. I know what that means and I know that leadership can only be judged 31:50.480 --> 31:56.720 If people follow that person then they're a leader now there's a lot of things that make a good leader a bad leader 31:56.720 --> 31:58.720 A mediocre leader 31:58.720 --> 32:04.720 But the bottom line is our people following will frankly many many of us are following Adam around 32:10.160 --> 32:14.800 I want to know what makes a good and bad 32:15.920 --> 32:26.400 Mastering means I've got a lot of great ideas about podcasting from Adam let me give you an example his whole concept of how podcasting is the new community radio 32:27.200 --> 32:34.000 Oh, that's awesome. You know radio is a small community that's that's a small you know AM broadcast radio 32:34.320 --> 32:38.320 But now with podcasting it's not a 32:40.000 --> 32:44.000 You want to slow down listen to it later 32:44.480 --> 32:54.240 This yet, but I'm recording it. It's a content community how I think about a good podcast is it's a content community and the boundaries of this little country is 32:54.640 --> 32:58.880 The content and people that like it. It's not geographic. It can be anywhere in the world 32:59.120 --> 33:01.120 It can be the wing commander and antwerp 33:01.440 --> 33:03.120 It can be you and sorry 33:03.120 --> 33:06.800 It can be me and the northeastern United States or whatever 33:06.880 --> 33:11.440 So anyway, this is exciting stuff my point is Adam you are a leader 33:12.320 --> 33:17.920 Many many of us are listening to you on a nearly daily basis and the we are interested in 33:17.920 --> 33:24.080 We're taking the industry so be careful about what you say to us because we're kind of following here 33:24.640 --> 33:26.640 He has a point there 33:26.640 --> 33:28.000 Absolutely 33:28.000 --> 33:33.520 He has a point oh in here. Okay. We're kind of following here. Okay question number two 33:34.480 --> 33:40.720 Where are you going to go with this question? You've got to bring more dollars into this medium 33:40.720 --> 33:49.840 That is content rich dollar poor medium today now. Let me explore that do you agree with that content rich dollar poor? 33:51.040 --> 33:53.040 No 33:53.280 --> 33:56.000 Okay, no 33:56.000 --> 33:58.000 Is it content poor dollar rich? I 33:58.720 --> 34:00.720 understand it. I understand it 34:01.840 --> 34:04.880 I understand it, but I'm old enough to have seen 34:06.240 --> 34:11.680 The birth of FM radio, you know the birth of independent record labels and and 34:14.240 --> 34:19.120 There's a content and it's going to the beautiful thing about podcasting 34:19.360 --> 34:23.360 The different from a lot of things out there is that it is at the content can find its own level 34:24.080 --> 34:30.720 So I'm not sure content rich, you know, you can have a ton of content that's no good and you're never going to support 34:32.560 --> 34:35.520 Holistic industry or revenue generating industry 34:36.080 --> 34:39.360 What's great about podcasting is I believe that 34:40.080 --> 34:46.400 That you're going to be able to have room for content to find its own level the long-tailed concept, right? 34:46.800 --> 34:53.120 So a guy who is not that exciting but talks about something that a thousand people are in love with 34:53.120 --> 34:58.240 And interested in they find an audience in podcasting right that can be commercial or non commercial 34:58.240 --> 35:04.880 But if they do it right and we do our job, right that person be commercial or non-compare be a priest or a mechanic 35:05.680 --> 35:10.720 Can can contribute to turning podcasting into a medium 35:11.280 --> 35:13.280 Which it isn't yet 35:13.280 --> 35:15.280 piggybacking on other things 35:15.520 --> 35:20.800 But to be a true global medium it needs to have an audience 35:21.760 --> 35:28.160 That that consolidates itself in admits that it is following the content, right? 35:29.200 --> 35:31.200 So to be a medium 35:31.600 --> 35:37.920 What's challenging about podcasting is we're inventing the technology we're redefining the content or what you and I would call format 35:38.400 --> 35:43.680 And we're trying to to demonstrate it. It's a medium all at the same time usually usually it's a chicken or egg 35:44.400 --> 35:45.600 HD TV 35:45.680 --> 35:51.040 It's a technology that was it trying to find an audience before there was any content for yeah, we're doing those 35:52.240 --> 35:54.240 My pacemaker 35:54.960 --> 36:01.120 We're doing those the simultaneously yeah in real time and and and that's what's that's why it 36:01.120 --> 36:07.200 In some ways it's foolish in other ways it's foolproof because if it's it's really simple if it's no good 36:07.760 --> 36:11.200 It's gonna die. Yeah, if it's good. It's really 36:11.680 --> 36:18.800 Almost unstoppable right but so the the next question of what the disguise can ask it to is do you need money to make podcasting good? 36:18.800 --> 36:24.320 I mean, that's gonna be a fine line between you know getting some extra money in this thing to live on 36:24.960 --> 36:31.920 Money that drives better content and so on to when you get a lot of money into a particular media time after time 36:31.920 --> 36:33.920 We've seen that money corrupts it 36:34.320 --> 36:37.440 Okay, there's a fine line between that well 36:37.520 --> 36:44.240 We don't have any money in this medium yet we're waiting for Adam to tell us sort of about pod show and what might come into it and all that 36:45.280 --> 36:52.080 And everything Adam tells us about community and everything I feel really good about it's just I sort of see that there could be some dark clouds out there 36:53.040 --> 36:58.320 But when Adam goes out there and he sells the sentio coffee maker on his site. Oh 36:58.800 --> 37:03.280 Insert commercial here. I put it back on by the way. I changed these years. Excuse me. Oh 37:04.720 --> 37:07.200 Yeah, wait a minute coffee break. Hold on a second 37:08.080 --> 37:10.080 Hmm 37:10.080 --> 37:12.080 We actually could use a refill here 37:13.120 --> 37:15.120 Where's my my daughter? 37:15.840 --> 37:21.600 Another commercial break. We're sponsoring her podcast. Oh, wow. What was that? Do we just lose volume? 37:22.240 --> 37:23.440 Are you there? 37:23.440 --> 37:30.320 Check this out. What happened there? That was really weird. Hey, how's it? Did you hit? Did you? Did you? Did you? Did you? I didn't I didn't 37:31.600 --> 37:34.480 Do I do something weird? Did you hit your microphone volume? 37:34.800 --> 37:39.200 Oh, maybe I'm sitting on it. That's totally possible. Hold on. Oh, thank you. Yes 37:41.280 --> 37:47.920 That did it. Hello, he's the uh, okay, let the ass ask me to this guy. He's coming. He's got some creative coming up. Yeah 37:48.640 --> 37:52.000 You know, I'm fine, but it's got some good questions. He doesn't give a rest of that 37:53.040 --> 37:58.480 I'm feeling fine about it or not, but I gotta tell you. I feel fine about that. He's very up front about what it is 37:58.560 --> 38:00.560 Why he likes the product 38:00.640 --> 38:06.000 Why his liking it is different than just selling it somewhere else. It makes a lot of sense to me. It really does 38:06.560 --> 38:14.000 But what I worry about is occasionally I hear about well, there's other ways to do things advertising products 38:14.160 --> 38:19.600 And I worry about you know somebody thinking out ahead of time not saying Adam would do this 38:19.600 --> 38:25.360 But here we're gonna have a subliminal product placement strategy and then we'll get backing from a 38:25.360 --> 38:30.640 Dodge Dakota and a Sancio and a someone so and I'll drop that into the conversation 38:30.640 --> 38:32.640 What's this guy now? I mentioned something about a 38:33.760 --> 38:37.680 What's he drive? Did he drive a Dodge? I think maybe I just wonder if I can 38:38.000 --> 38:42.080 vagina and then I'll mention the car, but then we'll get the check to come in 38:42.560 --> 38:45.600 Man, that is not the business model right there 38:45.920 --> 38:47.920 vagina card check 38:47.920 --> 38:49.520 That's Holland isn't 38:49.680 --> 38:57.840 Adam or no one else is suggesting that but as this thing goes forward from a non-money media to one that has some money in it 38:58.960 --> 39:00.960 We gotta find the right balance 39:00.960 --> 39:06.160 We gotta find a way to make it viable for people that need the money they're doing podcasting 39:06.160 --> 39:08.960 But it doesn't corrupt the medium itself 39:09.280 --> 39:10.480 Question number three 39:11.360 --> 39:16.080 I gotta take a deep breath here. In fact, I'm even gonna have a sip of water here and then question number three 39:16.080 --> 39:18.080 This is where it starts to get very avian 39:20.000 --> 39:23.920 Club love that was the water going down. Okay. Question number three Adam 39:24.560 --> 39:30.880 You were choosing a group of potters if I can call them that to work with now what's great is 39:32.240 --> 39:38.400 That we want to hear people with great content getting better and with better opportunities and promotion 39:38.960 --> 39:42.000 So that the circle widens and the and the news gets out there 39:42.640 --> 39:49.040 So far so good. Yeah, that would be great. We really are looking forward to that and I think that's where you're going 39:49.600 --> 39:51.600 Okay, but let me tell you what with suck 39:52.400 --> 40:00.240 What with suck is if podcasting becomes dominated by an elite group that has a louder megaphone 40:00.560 --> 40:05.360 Then the rest of us so that the grass roots can't be hurt and I don't I mean 40:05.760 --> 40:09.440 You know there's 4,000 of us now and I'm in there. That's cool 40:10.240 --> 40:14.800 But there's gonna be 10,000 more behind me and I don't want to be the elite either 40:14.800 --> 40:19.360 I want everybody to have a shot at building that content community that's out 40:20.480 --> 40:23.840 To see where he's going. I absolutely do 40:24.880 --> 40:26.880 But I ask him me 40:27.280 --> 40:29.280 Yeah 40:29.280 --> 40:34.240 You know our strategy. We should address this in many ways 40:34.240 --> 40:42.240 He is absolutely online and incorrect and I have you know questions that I would ask is has commercialism killed the internet 40:42.880 --> 40:44.880 What do you think? 40:44.880 --> 40:46.880 No, it's only grown a bigger 40:46.960 --> 40:50.240 Of course and and now we're discovering more 40:51.120 --> 40:53.600 Look you can look at it sideways and say 40:54.320 --> 40:57.440 You know podcasting is for people who communicate 40:58.160 --> 41:02.640 Orally and the internet has been mostly for people who communicate with text 41:03.520 --> 41:09.680 You know obviously not completely true, but there's a different way to look at it and and because 41:10.720 --> 41:15.440 Our mission is to enable everyone to make a quality program 41:15.920 --> 41:20.720 That is a good enough for a million listeners even if only one person is listening 41:21.120 --> 41:27.600 So that's step one to make it take to provide the bandwidth the tools the utilities and the access 41:28.000 --> 41:35.920 To millions of listeners to any individual at a cost that's equally almost almost free and totally affordable 41:36.880 --> 41:40.560 We'll um we'll have include a hum like we have yeah that 41:41.440 --> 41:45.360 Extra and what I learned and my record production days is if you can 41:45.440 --> 41:47.440 Can't cover it up turn it up right? 41:47.440 --> 41:52.240 Okay, what we're doing good with that that's not a hum that is a that is that they just think to air filter feature 41:52.480 --> 41:55.360 So did you just say that this is gonna be free or not? 41:55.600 --> 41:57.120 What did you just say? I think they'll be 41:57.840 --> 42:02.560 First of all there's free and there's also freedom right so there'll be levels of free and levels of freedom 42:03.280 --> 42:08.480 To the extent that you do not want to be that you first of all everyone should be able to make 42:09.360 --> 42:14.000 Broadcast quality a podcast quality pod show quality podcast. There you go 42:14.480 --> 42:17.600 That's what pod show is about is creating a quality of the product 42:17.920 --> 42:24.800 So every single individual cost effective. They should be able to make a pod show quality podcast and when you make a kickass 42:25.600 --> 42:32.160 Production of a podcast with with user friendly tools and you're really making a pod show and if you aspire to make a 42:32.400 --> 42:36.000 Pod show quality podcast that should be within everybody's reach that's step one 42:36.800 --> 42:43.840 Step two everybody who's interested even for split a nanosecond and and listening to pod 42:44.480 --> 42:50.640 Has to be able to engage them quickly and effortlessly and get to what they're interested in or discover things 42:50.640 --> 42:52.640 They didn't know they were interested in 42:52.640 --> 42:54.640 I number two number three 42:55.040 --> 43:01.760 For those who are interested in the monetary aspect of monetizing you know the aspect of monetizing 43:01.760 --> 43:07.840 They're making making money making money. There should be a mechanism and it should be a fluid mechanism 43:07.840 --> 43:13.040 One that's that enables a person with 10 listeners to make some money on the weekend 43:13.440 --> 43:19.440 And one that enables a person with 10 million listeners to be able to make a life career out of it 43:19.440 --> 43:25.360 And there's and there's that person will not the only thing that's louder in terms of a megaphone see 43:25.840 --> 43:30.240 See the metaphor or the or the analogy falls flat because podcasting 43:31.040 --> 43:36.880 It's not a megaphone business a megaphone is in implies broadcasting, you know 43:37.200 --> 43:41.840 Podcasting means everybody has the same megaphone. At least if a pod show that's what I think we're trying to do 43:42.080 --> 43:45.520 Get everybody the same megaphone give them everybody the stage 43:46.400 --> 43:51.840 Try to find unique ways of filtering the contents of it can find this way to eager audiences 43:52.560 --> 43:56.800 And a bizarre way it's what eBay or Amazon does when when they're at their best 43:57.760 --> 44:04.800 You know when you're trying to find a when you're interested in just in cooking and you want an alternative recipe book 44:05.360 --> 44:07.360 You can you won't find in your local bookstore 44:07.600 --> 44:13.680 You go over to Amazon because pretty much someone is written a book that's only good for 10,000 people and there it is 44:13.680 --> 44:17.600 That huge database and a great search and you believe in them 44:18.160 --> 44:22.560 You and they're filtering it there and they're telling you that other people like this Tuscan cooking book and 44:23.440 --> 44:25.840 Particularly people who like it who are on low fed diet 44:25.840 --> 44:27.840 Like pod cast alley ratings 44:28.400 --> 44:30.400 rate and and 44:30.400 --> 44:35.040 And there's enthusiasm ratings, you know, this is all the rant about podcast alley ratings and 44:35.760 --> 44:42.480 People voting a thousand times. Well, you know, there should be some some room for people who I love this so much 44:42.480 --> 44:44.000 I call it a hundred times 44:44.000 --> 44:46.000 That's how much I love it 44:46.000 --> 44:51.360 It's probably shouldn't be room for people to go. I love this so much. I programmed a line of code to vote for me 10 million times 44:53.840 --> 44:55.840 You know, there's a business there for somebody 44:58.320 --> 45:00.400 But yeah, I think there's room first of all 45:00.800 --> 45:06.960 How do you how do I like like me? I find out about podcast by listening to you by asking other podcasters 45:06.960 --> 45:09.520 They're asking people what they listen to sure so on officially 45:09.760 --> 45:12.960 I'm going to people I admire and I'm asking him we need to get that 45:13.360 --> 45:18.000 We need to not assume that everybody who is a listener is a fanatic about podcasting 45:18.000 --> 45:23.200 But maybe they just wandered by because they're interested in stunt something and if we don't grab those people 45:23.440 --> 45:25.840 We don't just forget the business. We don't have a medium 45:26.720 --> 45:33.040 We don't grab the casual listener and infatuate them like the dedicated listeners are we don't have a medium 45:34.160 --> 45:38.320 Okay, so there's a lot of work. So yeah, there's work to be done on making 45:40.080 --> 45:44.400 Lowering the barrier for anyone to produce. But we can do that. Yeah, well, yeah, totally 45:44.880 --> 45:50.080 But then on the other side it's also really making it much much easier for you know for the audience 45:50.080 --> 45:54.960 So the audience can find it so we don't go through all that how do I how do I find these things questions? 45:55.200 --> 46:04.400 And that's what you know as a as a listener who's not a podcaster that that's what I send my message out to podcasters and to the 46:04.400 --> 46:08.000 technologist which no one is talking about who are out there helping 46:08.880 --> 46:10.080 You know 46:10.080 --> 46:14.880 unsung heroes the technologists who enable this thing to happen unsung heroes people who manage 46:14.880 --> 46:21.200 Directories that that their love is not the podcasting, but their love is listening to the podcasting and helping 46:21.280 --> 46:27.280 Regular people find what's what they think is good in them. They're guides the guides and there's many many 46:28.000 --> 46:35.200 constituents already in our hopeful medium that are already unsung and we haven't even gotten to the poor listener yet who is now got 46:35.200 --> 46:42.400 4,000 things to you know we're acting like 4,000 is in a lot that's too much. Yeah, and you know so our mission is to figure out 46:43.440 --> 46:50.800 How to let how to make it okay for one podcast to have 10 listeners one podcast to have 10,000 and one podcast to have 2 million 46:51.200 --> 46:56.080 and all of those people live in the same universe and that's what I think we can do and the show will be the same quality 46:56.880 --> 47:03.200 It's just it's just destined to find the different level when you say quality you're talking about the actual audio quality or you're talking about 47:04.480 --> 47:09.280 What what does that mean? Good question. It should it it should have the same 47:09.680 --> 47:10.880 production 47:10.880 --> 47:15.040 Content quality so that you wouldn't turn something off just because it sounded bad 47:15.520 --> 47:18.800 Like this like this and or it should have the 47:19.040 --> 47:23.680 For those tools dude, yeah, quick. Maybe one of them is a hammer aimed at my head 47:25.600 --> 47:27.600 It should have also 47:27.600 --> 47:29.200 You know enough 47:29.200 --> 47:34.080 rope for people to hang themselves or people to be incredibly creative right on and you know 47:34.640 --> 47:39.200 As a musician it's what I saw happening in home recording you can make you know you know upstairs 47:39.200 --> 47:44.880 I have a pro tools rig. Yeah, I cost me a million and a half dollars to build my last studio. I want to cost me 47:45.360 --> 47:46.320 You know 47:46.320 --> 47:50.960 $25,000 to build this when I could probably start over and do it for you know five grand. Yeah, and 47:52.080 --> 47:55.680 It's it's nuts how how free it is and how great it is for musicians 47:55.680 --> 48:02.720 So now we're talking about self publishing audio in a different way. So we we let people do it the next thing that we need is 48:03.360 --> 48:07.680 most people who are making podcasts are self producing 48:08.640 --> 48:15.680 And in music that works and doesn't work, right? So there's a good good analogy in music producers and artists are separate 48:16.320 --> 48:22.560 And they bring out the best of each other reason. Yeah, and yeah, and you know these to say what makes a great producer and the answer was a great band 48:22.560 --> 48:28.800 Yeah, and like Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones. Yeah, George Harrison. What did I say George Harrison for? 48:28.800 --> 48:34.320 I don't know and George Martin and the Beatles and the Beatles. All right George Harrison was a beatle, wasn't he? 48:34.800 --> 48:36.800 Yeah 48:40.800 --> 48:46.640 Hey kids don't you want to be cool all the kids are drink and say oh, so you know 48:46.640 --> 48:51.440 You could say no no commercial interruptions in podcasting everybody just pay 48:51.840 --> 48:57.280 That's one way to do it. You could say no everybody gets it for free, but we have to write on the back a big brother 48:57.280 --> 48:59.680 That's another way to do it. Why do people need to be paid? 49:00.640 --> 49:04.240 If if you want to pause the stupid question, I think it's a good one 49:04.960 --> 49:09.360 People don't some people will want to some people will want to quit their job 49:10.000 --> 49:16.400 Some people have family some people will want to survive on their creative craft and be paid for why doesn't that work with weblogs? 49:17.120 --> 49:19.120 Or why isn't it working with weblogs? 49:20.480 --> 49:23.840 Well, I think that I think that web logs 49:23.920 --> 49:32.400 You know, I've heard everything about weblogs and one of the most interesting thing that's we don't we don't break the news 49:32.400 --> 49:35.680 We fix the news you know, and we triangulate 49:38.400 --> 49:42.640 I think it's cool and everything, but I don't I don't know if that's 49:43.600 --> 49:45.120 Exactly 49:45.120 --> 49:50.720 What the essence of podcasting is podcasting is about non-trient and meet non-trient Galation. It's about 49:51.200 --> 49:53.200 injecting personality 49:53.200 --> 50:00.000 and giving something that someone to someone who that's interested in listening to it. You know, when MTV started 50:01.040 --> 50:06.240 a great record executive lamented we just lost the last great thing you could do with your eyes closed 50:07.040 --> 50:12.080 That that bringing videos to music meant you couldn't close your eyes listen to the lyrics and think of your own video 50:12.720 --> 50:13.920 And I think podcasting 50:15.040 --> 50:18.880 brings that back. It sure does and I'm not sure what what web logs 50:19.520 --> 50:25.040 brings back. You know, and it's interesting because you know web blogs are email or whatever it's all basically the same thing 50:25.040 --> 50:31.360 But it's I have to agree that web logs kind of started out as things like new sites and it's always going to be kind of like a 50:31.360 --> 50:37.200 newsy-type medium. You're in general. I mean, of course, specifically that's absolutely not true 50:38.000 --> 50:41.040 But and podcasting did kind of start off 50:41.840 --> 50:47.840 Just as you know, no news to report because we all know it's delayed. We all know you're getting this late 50:48.080 --> 50:54.080 There's like, you know, we found Osama bin Laden. I'm glad you're tuning in everybody and just getting this late break in news 50:54.960 --> 50:59.600 So there's something different there that makes people communicate differently and you know, and a word 51:01.840 --> 51:04.480 You know, it's hard to say, but if you find a great 51:05.360 --> 51:06.720 author 51:06.720 --> 51:08.720 that that is out there 51:08.720 --> 51:13.520 contributing information and text and wanted to syndicate what they say 51:14.480 --> 51:19.360 I think in the early days of newspaper, that's that's what happened and and 51:20.640 --> 51:23.520 Maybe people would pay for that if someone wanted to charge for that 51:24.000 --> 51:28.640 Now people think of it as how do I get the latest information about stuff? 51:28.640 --> 51:32.160 You know, and you don't hear as much talk about the electric rap rapping 51:33.040 --> 51:34.240 eloquently 51:34.240 --> 51:35.680 How what great 51:35.680 --> 51:39.920 content would great turn of word or phrase this person is you're hearing about well 51:40.400 --> 51:44.720 Six people found out that he wasn't telling the truth and they posted his picture and that then that type of thing 51:45.440 --> 51:49.760 I think in podcasting you go man that guy was funny or while he really knew his subject 51:49.760 --> 51:54.880 Or can you believe this this couple that live out in the farmhouse? Okay, you know you you're not saying wow 51:56.640 --> 52:00.960 Let's turn on the podcasting and find out if what you know what British said is really true 52:01.280 --> 52:05.600 Right, yeah, this is yeah, you're right. It said that is a very different vibe in podcasting true 52:05.840 --> 52:12.560 It's just just take a break from reality or find a different version of reality, and it's also appealing to a sense 52:13.280 --> 52:19.360 The listening sense that we have there's been definitely by fucking flat top 40 crap radio 52:19.600 --> 52:21.600 That's right 52:22.000 --> 52:24.400 The whole line just want to play a little bit more this guy and we'll quit it 52:24.400 --> 52:29.840 So which way is this going to go is a chosen group of people that are getting to get some money in this thing 52:30.160 --> 52:32.960 Gonna make the circle wide and so it's better for all of us 52:32.960 --> 52:36.720 He gets funny words about are we on a dominate by a leak group. I don't know 52:36.960 --> 52:40.160 We don't know which way this thing is going to go yet, but let's keep an eye on 52:40.560 --> 52:44.640 Okay, let me tell you when it comes to you know what I just talked about 52:45.760 --> 52:52.000 It'll be great to have folks like Don and Drew who is the other podcast that I listen to constantly 52:52.160 --> 52:55.840 That and frankly I got to tell you I get a real week spot for closet deadhead too 52:56.720 --> 53:01.840 It would be great to have Don and Drew and a lot of other people have access to whatever 53:02.320 --> 53:06.880 Makes better content and distribution for them man. I love to see that 53:07.120 --> 53:09.120 But I tell you I 53:09.120 --> 53:14.960 Just said two very important words there content and distribution now here's one guy's opinion 53:15.520 --> 53:22.080 What the hell does Don and Drew need to get better content look what they do on a farm and was constant for God's sake 53:22.640 --> 53:24.960 I mean what's what what else could you do? 53:25.200 --> 53:29.200 Let's put Don and Drew on the space shuttle Don and Drew and outer space 53:29.680 --> 53:33.200 You know, I mean waitless punani may have its possibilities 53:33.600 --> 53:41.600 But Don and Drew's success is not in having a fancy set right with Dick Van Dyke walking on it and tripping over their couch 53:42.560 --> 53:45.600 Don and Drew's success is about Don and Drew as 53:46.320 --> 53:54.560 People reacting to each other and the world around them and we're all getting to feel comfortable about them as we get to know them 53:54.880 --> 54:01.200 And I want my Don and Drew and I don't care if they're in outer space or not and it has to do with them as people 54:01.520 --> 54:09.840 I'm getting comfortable with them like one generation did with Johnny Carson and another one is now with Conan and John Stewart 54:10.080 --> 54:16.400 You know and I mean any screenwriter will tell you that the whole thing starts and ends with great characters 54:16.800 --> 54:18.800 That's Don and Drew so 54:18.880 --> 54:26.800 Between content and distribution. I don't think putting money in to help in them with content is necessarily going to do a damn a damn thing 54:28.320 --> 54:30.800 Okay, Don and Drew man. They're like they're like 54:32.480 --> 54:37.520 Cool as there's like Lucy and Ricky and hot as Paris and Nikki 54:39.920 --> 54:44.640 Oh, there's Kenny G. It works again. It's calm. It's just coming out like a waterfall 54:45.120 --> 54:54.160 So he's describing what what is he talking about okay? He's saying that he's trying to figure out why why podcast and needs money or why we need why we need money 54:55.200 --> 54:59.840 Well, I want to make money or what we want to do and he's he's gonna split up because I say it's impossible 54:59.840 --> 55:03.920 That it's for the content so it has to be the distribution. That's what he's gonna say well, you know 55:03.920 --> 55:06.560 Here you go 4,000 podcasters 55:07.520 --> 55:10.400 Let's say they have an average of 300 listeners 55:10.800 --> 55:14.000 Okay, that's probably fair. Yeah, what is that? 55:15.600 --> 55:17.600 100,000 55:18.320 --> 55:23.840 And I just lost my math if all of them if all of them got together and decided to recommend 55:25.280 --> 55:30.480 Shows that they like beside their own like like sort of like you do yeah, but in their own way 55:31.200 --> 55:35.280 And all of them made it their mission to to bring not just their show, but other shows 55:36.080 --> 55:42.080 Selfish selflessly out to the universe and we have a listener base of let's say half a million 55:42.080 --> 55:46.640 Do a million people listening to podcast today two months we could have two million in two months 55:46.640 --> 55:53.760 We could double that easy if the 4,000 podcasters were selflessly promoting themselves in other podcasters 55:54.080 --> 55:58.160 Okay, there's a distribution for you. Yeah. All right. Here's another kind of distribution 55:59.840 --> 56:03.280 God forbid somebody woke up tomorrow without asking for it 56:03.760 --> 56:10.560 And had five podcasters on their iPod or their MP3 player other laptop waiting for which five 56:11.840 --> 56:13.520 As a question to ask 56:13.520 --> 56:18.080 Which five will that be different for everybody wouldn't it? Well, you know, let's let's talk about that 56:18.080 --> 56:24.400 Let's let's say that you could wave a magic wand and go out to 10 million people 56:25.360 --> 56:33.280 reasonably good target audience people that might like it and put and you had 4,000 podcasters to choose from 56:33.840 --> 56:41.040 And you wanted to put five or three on their laptop or their PC or their 56:41.840 --> 56:47.120 MP3 player that they would guarantee they would listen to and then from that they would make a decision 56:47.120 --> 56:50.320 And whether they wanted to stay in the world of podcasting listen to more which one to a 56:50.640 --> 56:55.920 Would you choose your own or would you somebody else? Well, yes, I would choose my own start off with 56:56.640 --> 56:58.640 Because I'm a gateway 56:59.280 --> 57:01.280 God of pod. I do a horror 57:01.280 --> 57:09.120 Okay, so is there a right answer to this? I think that that many of the 4,000 podcasters might have to think maybe they're not on that list 57:09.680 --> 57:11.440 That in order to 57:12.320 --> 57:19.520 Get more people lined up to find they need to get 10 million people listening to find the 50,000 57:19.520 --> 57:21.520 They're going to listen to you 57:21.680 --> 57:23.680 Right, so you need 57:23.680 --> 57:28.400 So you need something out there to draw people in you need to just strip is just you need to distribute 57:28.880 --> 57:33.520 We don't have a medium that's where they're messing up with distribution you need to pick 5 or 10 great shows 57:34.160 --> 57:38.800 And you need to get them out to 10 million people so they get hooked on the concept they know come and find the ones 57:38.800 --> 57:43.760 They know right, that's okay. That's what I'll say so that should be the role of the pod squadty type things 57:43.760 --> 57:46.080 It's not it's not for them to be the elite group 57:46.240 --> 57:50.640 But what the rest of the podcasters should be doing is fucking making sure we have a pod squad 57:51.920 --> 57:59.840 And aspiring to get that group distributed as leaders to create the market, you know to create create the medium 58:00.240 --> 58:05.360 Okay, how many listeners do we need before we instead of how much money are we gonna make? How many listeners do we have? 58:05.760 --> 58:11.360 We need to 100 million to be really significant. Yeah, to be significant. How many do we do? All right, so 58:11.920 --> 58:13.920 What's our distribution goal? 58:14.560 --> 58:16.560 And yeah, maybe it's a hundred million 58:16.880 --> 58:18.880 so you and I know that there's ways 58:20.400 --> 58:21.360 To get 58:21.360 --> 58:23.360 millions of people to have a listen 58:24.080 --> 58:25.360 Mm-hmm 58:25.360 --> 58:31.440 And that's I think some one of the things we fear the most because we know how to do that. Yeah, and the question then becomes 58:32.000 --> 58:34.000 Okay, here's your shot slugger 58:34.000 --> 58:36.000 You're gonna put it right and 58:36.960 --> 58:42.320 We better be selfless again and make sure that we're promoting the very best of our breed 58:42.960 --> 58:49.360 In order to hook the rest of the listening world to come in and find the stuff that you need to them. Okay, that makes sense 58:50.640 --> 58:52.640 Hey, we should start a company and do that 58:52.640 --> 58:56.320 Man, oh man, what an idea now could they use better 58:57.440 --> 58:59.440 Studio sound 58:59.440 --> 59:02.160 Because it's a different part. I just been listening to the early shit 59:02.160 --> 59:04.840 Let's do it 59:10.880 --> 59:19.220 So um, but before I get there I just want to say that any effort to really do better content through adding money to it will be marginal at best 59:19.600 --> 59:21.600 Now 59:21.600 --> 59:23.280 Here's what we addressed that 59:24.980 --> 59:28.080 Could happen and I want to give you a little he forgets that 59:29.200 --> 59:30.200 I never mind 59:30.200 --> 59:39.200 iPod play here and what I want to do now is take you to a little tour of what could be the dark side 59:39.200 --> 59:47.200 And here we are as we enter Adam Curry's iPod plantation where the workers are sequestered 59:47.200 --> 59:51.200 Shall we say over that thing barn building 59:51.200 --> 01:00:07.200 This is Adam Curry and thanks for joining me on this tour of the iPod plantation 01:00:07.200 --> 01:00:12.200 I have the chosen ones hard work on new content right in here 01:00:12.200 --> 01:00:19.200 Let me just open up the barn door and you can hear what's going on 01:00:28.200 --> 01:00:32.200 Or since they'll coffee I've got to get a creative idea 01:00:42.200 --> 01:01:05.200 I made a sound seeing tour of let's go over to the real barn run 01:01:05.200 --> 01:01:12.200 Yes, open up the door our secret door. Oh look what's inside 01:01:12.200 --> 01:01:15.200 Everybody's party 01:01:27.200 --> 01:01:30.200 All right, that's enough of that. What are we doing? 01:01:30.200 --> 01:01:37.200 We should definitely wrap this up. So what are we doing? 01:01:37.200 --> 01:01:44.200 Everybody will be able to make a world-class quantity podcast they will have the tools 01:01:44.200 --> 01:01:51.200 They will have opportunity to make the audience this we will do. Are we going to build all that? 01:01:51.200 --> 01:01:54.200 We and other people who will help us in building 01:01:54.200 --> 01:01:59.200 We are really totally screwed. 01:01:59.200 --> 01:02:04.200 We are going to bring we are going to try to bring together some really smart people 01:02:04.200 --> 01:02:12.200 And really talented people smarter, more talented than us who are going to help us make this thing real 01:02:12.200 --> 01:02:17.200 There's Patricia just as we are winding up 01:02:17.200 --> 01:02:19.200 Man, I thought it was a vision 01:02:20.200 --> 01:02:21.200 What is it? 01:02:21.200 --> 01:02:23.200 If you come leaning into the microphone 01:02:23.200 --> 01:02:24.200 A long one 01:02:24.200 --> 01:02:26.200 A long podcast 01:02:26.200 --> 01:02:27.200 It was good though 01:02:27.200 --> 01:02:29.200 Yeah, but we talked about all kinds of things 01:02:29.200 --> 01:02:31.200 I thought she wasn't talking about the podcast 01:02:31.200 --> 01:02:33.200 Okay 01:02:33.200 --> 01:02:34.200 Well thanks for having me 01:02:34.200 --> 01:02:36.200 No thanks for being on the show this is good 01:02:36.200 --> 01:02:38.200 And this is an extra long one so 01:02:38.200 --> 01:02:40.200 People can 01:02:40.200 --> 01:02:42.200 You drop out to my guest 01:02:42.200 --> 01:02:43.200 No way 01:02:43.200 --> 01:02:44.200 No way 01:02:44.200 --> 01:02:47.200 This is going to get analysed and exerted everywhere 01:02:47.200 --> 01:02:48.200 Yeah 01:02:48.200 --> 01:02:50.200 I don't apologize in advance 01:02:50.200 --> 01:02:53.200 So when can we make some damn announcements? 01:02:53.200 --> 01:02:56.200 Any moment now 01:02:56.200 --> 01:02:57.200 As a matter of fact 01:02:57.200 --> 01:02:58.200 I hate that answer 01:02:58.200 --> 01:03:00.200 The clock is ticking 01:03:00.200 --> 01:03:03.200 The clock is ticking 01:03:03.200 --> 01:03:06.200 Well really really really really close 01:03:06.200 --> 01:03:08.200 Being able to begin 01:03:08.200 --> 01:03:10.200 I think the first thing we are going to try to do is just 01:03:10.200 --> 01:03:14.200 Be a little more forthcoming about what we have in mind 01:03:14.200 --> 01:03:15.200 Thank you 01:03:15.200 --> 01:03:18.200 And we just want to make sure we can articulate it without 01:03:18.200 --> 01:03:20.200 Even more bullshit than we sound now 01:03:20.200 --> 01:03:24.200 So first thing we are going to do is kind of tell everybody what we are going to do something unusual 01:03:24.200 --> 01:03:26.200 We are going to let everybody know what the strategy is 01:03:26.200 --> 01:03:27.200 Exactly 01:03:27.200 --> 01:03:28.200 Just lay it out 01:03:28.200 --> 01:03:29.200 And then 01:03:29.200 --> 01:03:32.200 Rather than saying that now we are not taking any steps towards it 01:03:32.200 --> 01:03:35.200 Immediately afterwards we are going to start doing things 01:03:35.200 --> 01:03:36.200 And making announcements 01:03:36.200 --> 01:03:39.200 And I hope everybody who is interested will see that each one of those announcements 01:03:39.200 --> 01:03:40.200 Is part of a strategy 01:03:40.200 --> 01:03:42.200 Then you can tell us if you think we are crazy 01:03:42.200 --> 01:03:43.200 And maybe we will change the strategy 01:03:43.200 --> 01:03:46.200 But you didn't talk anything tonight about the two way 01:03:46.200 --> 01:03:48.200 You know the interactive part of podcast English 01:03:48.200 --> 01:03:50.200 No but what I would like to do is 01:03:50.200 --> 01:03:53.200 Like maybe not this long this is just kind of like an introduction 01:03:53.200 --> 01:03:55.200 But maybe we can talk you know 01:03:55.200 --> 01:03:56.200 I think we should do this more often 01:03:56.200 --> 01:03:57.200 You know we should do it 01:03:57.200 --> 01:03:59.200 Maybe at least once a week 01:03:59.200 --> 01:04:01.200 And just talk to what we are doing 01:04:01.200 --> 01:04:03.200 And then people can follow along 01:04:03.200 --> 01:04:05.200 And indeed give us some of that feedback 01:04:05.200 --> 01:04:06.200 Yep 01:04:06.200 --> 01:04:08.200 All right my friend 01:04:09.200 --> 01:04:10.200 Dude what time is it? 01:04:10.200 --> 01:04:12.200 What country are we in? 01:04:12.200 --> 01:04:13.200 Oh kidding 01:04:13.200 --> 01:04:14.200 It's podcasting 01:04:14.200 --> 01:04:16.200 It could be any time any place my brother 01:04:16.200 --> 01:04:17.200 That's right 01:04:17.200 --> 01:04:18.200 Well we prove that once again 01:04:18.200 --> 01:04:22.200 So it will only take me two hours to compress this 01:04:22.200 --> 01:04:23.200 And upload it 01:04:23.200 --> 01:04:24.200 Dude 01:04:24.200 --> 01:04:27.200 Let's just talk about the connectivity here 01:04:27.200 --> 01:04:28.200 We have to 01:04:28.200 --> 01:04:29.200 Can we get DSL? 01:04:29.200 --> 01:04:30.200 Absolutely 01:04:30.200 --> 01:04:31.200 We have to 01:04:31.200 --> 01:04:33.200 Because that's why some of your shit doesn't arrive 01:04:33.200 --> 01:04:36.200 I mean you send a five or six megabyte file 01:04:36.200 --> 01:04:38.200 It takes a fucking effort to upload 01:04:38.200 --> 01:04:40.200 The last the last four megabytes on that 01:04:40.200 --> 01:04:41.200 Important anyway 01:04:41.200 --> 01:04:42.200 Is it? 01:04:42.200 --> 01:04:44.200 It's just the front page 01:04:44.200 --> 01:04:45.200 That's how many 01:04:45.200 --> 01:04:46.200 All right 01:04:46.200 --> 01:04:47.200 Interesting what your page 01:04:47.200 --> 01:04:48.200 Just the only one you need 01:04:48.200 --> 01:04:49.200 Okay 01:04:49.200 --> 01:04:50.200 Is that true? 01:04:50.200 --> 01:04:51.200 Yeah 01:04:51.200 --> 01:04:53.200 No, but don't you have to 01:04:53.200 --> 01:04:56.200 Put like a little thing on each page 01:04:56.200 --> 01:04:57.200 Well I think it's important 01:04:57.200 --> 01:04:59.200 Everyone out there just sign 01:04:59.200 --> 01:05:01.200 We'll fill in the rest 01:05:01.200 --> 01:05:02.200 Don't worry about it 01:05:02.200 --> 01:05:03.200 Thank you 01:05:03.200 --> 01:05:04.200 Yeah, trust us 01:05:04.200 --> 01:05:05.200 Hey 01:05:06.200 --> 01:05:07.200 Thanks everybody for listening 01:05:07.200 --> 01:05:08.200 Stay subscribed 01:05:08.200 --> 01:05:10.200 And we'll check in later 01:05:10.200 --> 01:05:11.200 This week with another 01:05:11.200 --> 01:05:13.200 Daily source code podcast 01:05:13.200 --> 01:05:14.200 Thanks Ron 01:05:14.200 --> 01:05:15.200 You got it, thank you 01:05:15.200 --> 01:05:16.200 Bye