WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:15.000 I'll ready hello everybody. It's another weekend edition of the Daily Source Code, which of course means it's not a daily source code. It is time for the MTV Chronicles. Part 3. Is that it Ken? Part 2. 00:15.000 --> 00:27.480 Part 2. Part 2. On the Skype from Lovely Portland, Oregon, is my friend and colleague and MTV 00:27.480 --> 00:34.480 expert at Fissionado extraordinaire, Kenster J. How are you doing? 00:34.480 --> 00:37.480 Hello, I'm fine. It's actually a beautiful day here in Portland. 00:37.480 --> 00:46.480 It really sucks here in Gilford. We've had high winds, gale force winds, cold, wet weather. 00:46.480 --> 00:51.480 That's good for us though, because you'd be out flying. We're not for the follow weather, wouldn't you? 00:51.480 --> 00:58.480 In fact, yes, I was, you're right. I was scheduled to have a whole weekend of instruction, but the wind commander said, 00:58.480 --> 01:02.480 he said, Monday, he said, nah, it's going to be shit weather. You don't want to do that. 01:02.480 --> 01:07.480 How about you know that? It's just a shit or inclement. 01:07.480 --> 01:10.480 No shit. No inclement weather is fine. That's not a problem. It's not a problem. 01:10.480 --> 01:17.480 I mean, it's not a problem to fly. It's just when it comes to instructions, not it's not very handy. 01:17.480 --> 01:21.480 Well, you know, they say flying is safer than driving. 01:21.480 --> 01:25.480 No, what they say is the most dangerous part of your trip is the drive to the airport. 01:25.480 --> 01:32.480 That's what it is. So the last time we did this, um, Jesus, it's been like, what has it been? 01:32.480 --> 01:36.480 Ken, more than six weeks or something like that, I guess. Maybe in longer since we've done a MTV 01:36.480 --> 01:40.480 Chromome where around the holidays. 01:40.480 --> 01:45.480 Christ, I was in Utrecht. Was that the one or do we do another one after that? 01:45.480 --> 01:50.480 No, I was in Uren, you're in that place. Yes, that place. Utrecht. Right. I was with my mom. 01:50.480 --> 01:55.480 You're in Utrecht. Yeah, Utrecht. Yes, correct. Correct. 01:55.480 --> 02:07.480 So this is the MTV Chronicles. This is where Ken and I bring up old MTV memories, kind of like bad Mexican food. 02:07.480 --> 02:14.480 Uh, we regurgitate. Ken worked there for Ken, how many years? 10 years. 02:14.480 --> 02:20.480 10 years. I worked there for seven and a half, something like that. 02:20.480 --> 02:28.480 Well, approximately that. I have the exact date you started here as to the exact date you resigned on the air. 02:28.480 --> 02:34.480 I don't have that. I know what the exact date. I started on Halloween, uh, 1987. 02:35.480 --> 02:44.480 October 31. Yep. Well, actually, they, they claim October 30th, but American born Adam Curry. 02:44.480 --> 02:47.480 Where's this? Where are you reading this from? 02:47.480 --> 02:56.480 I found a 10 year MTV timeline covering 1981 to 1990 on those put out by the press department on their 10th anniversary. 02:56.480 --> 03:01.480 Oh, really? It's pretty much a blow by blow of all the big events. 03:01.480 --> 03:05.480 October 30th, 1987, American born Adam Curry. 03:05.480 --> 03:13.480 Uh, Europe's most popular TV and radio personality for three consecutive years, debut as MTV VJ. 03:13.480 --> 03:17.480 And one month later, remote control was launched. Oh, that's right. 03:17.480 --> 03:26.480 I'll never forget in that first week, um, they took me up to the offices and people should know that the production and the, 03:27.480 --> 03:31.480 the corporate side were very, very separated at the time. I don't know if it's still, 03:31.480 --> 03:34.480 even because they aren't they all in the same building. 03:34.480 --> 03:39.480 It's all in the same building now. So I don't think they can possibly have that delightful separation that we had. 03:39.480 --> 03:43.480 Yeah. So what, so they have to wang the scripts down. 03:43.480 --> 03:49.480 Remember that kid? They would throw some PA in a, in a community car. 03:50.480 --> 03:53.480 You come to script over with this script. 03:53.480 --> 04:01.480 We're late, we're, we're blowing 20 grand an hour on, on crew because we're, our scripts are stuck in a town car in mid, down Manhattan. 04:01.480 --> 04:05.480 Hey, can't, are you downloading porn again? Cause you're cutting out once in a while. 04:05.480 --> 04:08.480 I, I moved my head. Maybe that's the problem. 04:08.480 --> 04:11.480 No, I'm getting a little bit of, you know, a little bit of a, a little bit of a, a little bit of a. 04:11.480 --> 04:15.480 No, I think unfortunately, that's the Skype issue. 04:15.480 --> 04:21.480 Well, no, it's not Skype. It's a bandwidth issue. I'm also sitting on the backup DSL because British telecom fucked up again. 04:21.480 --> 04:27.480 And they've severed my line. Yeah, they severed my, my fat pipe. 04:27.480 --> 04:32.480 Has it severed it? Well, I don't know. It's like, you know, I, so I call up my provider. 04:32.480 --> 04:35.480 You know, I have this four megabit pipe, which is really nice. 04:35.480 --> 04:39.480 And then they say, well, you know, it looks like DT is, because it's, it's, 04:39.480 --> 04:44.480 you know, the actual line that comes into the house is provided by British telecom. And of course, British telecom says, 04:44.480 --> 04:47.480 No, it looks fine. No problems here. 04:47.480 --> 04:50.480 Yeah, and so then the woman called up and says, well, we're going to send an engineer out. 04:50.480 --> 04:54.480 Are there any security issues we need to be aware of? I said, yes, make sure he's wearing that. 04:54.480 --> 04:57.480 Best of suit, a lead helmet. 04:57.480 --> 05:02.480 Stop winding me up, sir. 05:02.480 --> 05:05.480 So needless to say, we still have a delicious pets here. 05:05.480 --> 05:08.480 Yeah, exactly. Very, beware of the vicious pets. 05:08.480 --> 05:13.480 So, but I'll never forget that first, that first week, then they took me up to the offices. 05:13.480 --> 05:16.480 You know, you go around to meet everybody. And then I sat down with the press department. 05:16.480 --> 05:18.480 And they, and I'm sure you're going to remember this. 05:18.480 --> 05:21.480 And then they, you know, they lined up a couple of calls. 05:21.480 --> 05:23.480 One of which was to TV guide. 05:23.480 --> 05:26.480 Do you remember what happened? 05:26.480 --> 05:28.480 No. 05:28.480 --> 05:31.480 So they asked me all kinds of questions. And they said, 05:31.480 --> 05:36.480 So, you know, what do you think about Madonna? And I said, ah, she's kind of bitchy. 05:36.480 --> 05:39.480 That was being honest. You know, I'd met her a couple times. 05:39.480 --> 05:42.480 She's not one of my favorite people. You know, like her music, but she's kind of bitchy. 05:42.480 --> 05:44.480 And they freaked out. 05:44.480 --> 05:48.480 Oh, I was just going to say, I can just picture Tina Exoros and Cheryl Jones. 05:48.480 --> 05:51.480 The press scales just fallen on the floor. 05:51.480 --> 05:53.480 Oh, yeah, because that was the one thing you could not do. 05:53.480 --> 05:57.480 You could not talk negative about any of the artists that we played. 05:57.480 --> 05:58.480 Which God forbid. 05:58.480 --> 06:01.480 Yeah, I mean, please be fake and lie about everything. 06:01.480 --> 06:05.480 Which I did for successfully almost for seven, half years. 06:05.480 --> 06:09.480 Well, you know, there were there were clips and bands that we liked. 06:09.480 --> 06:12.480 You know, we didn't get to pick the videos. 06:12.480 --> 06:14.480 You never had to say in what you got to play. 06:14.480 --> 06:18.480 And you had to be as upbeat about the bad stuff as you did about the good stuff. 06:18.480 --> 06:21.480 Although we didn't, you and I were both in the music meetings for quite a while. 06:21.480 --> 06:23.480 Yeah, we were for quite a while. 06:23.480 --> 06:24.480 Which was interesting. 06:24.480 --> 06:27.480 I don't know if you lasted longer than I did or if I lasted longer than you did. 06:27.480 --> 06:30.480 I stormed out of what and never went back over a clip. 06:30.480 --> 06:31.480 They refused to play. 06:31.480 --> 06:33.480 It was a fabulous clip. 06:33.480 --> 06:39.480 It hadn't charted in the, you know, the top 40 R and R or whatever the hell they were looking in. 06:39.480 --> 06:40.480 Yeah. 06:40.480 --> 06:41.480 So they wouldn't play it. 06:41.480 --> 06:44.480 And that was so counter to anything that had ever made MTV great. 06:44.480 --> 06:48.480 I mean, MTV became great because they played stuff. 06:48.480 --> 06:49.480 The known else would play. 06:49.480 --> 06:52.480 And I said here, watching people consulting the billboard to. 06:52.480 --> 06:53.480 Yeah. 06:53.480 --> 06:56.480 Radio writer charted in top 40 radio before they'd even consider it. 06:56.480 --> 06:59.480 I just was disgusted. 06:59.480 --> 07:02.480 No, I walked out after, um, I didn't walk out. 07:02.480 --> 07:06.480 I didn't go back after, um, uh, member Abby Conowitch. 07:06.480 --> 07:07.480 Yes. 07:07.480 --> 07:10.480 He was the director of, was he director of music program or something like that? 07:10.480 --> 07:11.480 Yes. 07:11.480 --> 07:12.480 And hired a Matt Farber. 07:12.480 --> 07:13.480 Right. 07:13.480 --> 07:16.480 And so Abby is a, he's a guy, by the way, or that is questionable perhaps. 07:16.480 --> 07:20.480 But then he went on to run Madonna's Maverick record label. 07:20.480 --> 07:22.480 But so I'll never forget the meeting was almost over. 07:22.480 --> 07:24.480 I think you were still in that meeting, can't. 07:25.480 --> 07:28.480 Oh, no. Oh, we can't leave yet because we haven't added anything from Warner Brothers yet. 07:28.480 --> 07:30.480 I was like, what the fuck? 07:30.480 --> 07:32.480 So this has nothing to do with the music. 07:32.480 --> 07:35.480 It's only about we haven't played political footsies properly. 07:35.480 --> 07:36.480 So I didn't go back. 07:36.480 --> 07:37.480 Oh, yeah. 07:37.480 --> 07:39.480 You had to play a certain number of clips. 07:39.480 --> 07:42.480 You know, and if you wanted to get an exclusive on the new motley crib clip, 07:42.480 --> 07:47.480 the motley crew clip, then you had to play two pieces or crap at least three times a week. 07:47.480 --> 07:51.480 Oh, and we put them in the, that's, that's how the, wasn't that how the basement bin was, um, 07:51.480 --> 07:52.480 was created. 07:52.480 --> 07:54.480 Something like the buzz bin. 07:54.480 --> 07:55.480 The buzz bin basement bin. 07:55.480 --> 07:56.480 The buzz bin. 07:56.480 --> 08:00.480 That's, it was like, it would, if you were in the buzz bin, that meant your rotation was, 08:00.480 --> 08:02.480 you were played once at 3 a.m. 08:02.480 --> 08:04.480 Once a week at 3 a.m. 08:04.480 --> 08:07.480 Like, was that the buzz bin or was the buzz bin for the hot clip of the week? 08:07.480 --> 08:09.480 I can't remember all the various tags now. 08:09.480 --> 08:11.480 I think they might have, they might have changed it later. 08:11.480 --> 08:14.480 But I remember specifically people say, yeah, well, well, well, well, yeah, well, 08:14.480 --> 08:17.480 they will throw them in the, well, throw those clips in the buzz bin if we can get them exclusive on this. 08:17.480 --> 08:19.480 Yeah, that was through a clock in the morning. 08:19.480 --> 08:25.480 That, that was always the best time to watch the channel because that's when they played the weird stuff right on right on. 08:25.480 --> 08:29.480 Also in 1987, I MTV launched it. 08:29.480 --> 08:30.480 No, Australia. 08:30.480 --> 08:32.480 Richard Wilkins. 08:32.480 --> 08:33.480 Yep. 08:33.480 --> 08:34.480 Kevin. 08:34.480 --> 08:35.480 See you'll join. 08:35.480 --> 08:36.480 Club MTV debuted. 08:36.480 --> 08:37.480 My God. 08:37.480 --> 08:43.480 Right before you started the same month you started MTV's week in rock debuted. 08:43.480 --> 08:45.480 I used to love doing that show. 08:45.480 --> 08:48.480 Remember when the VJs would, would host it. 08:48.480 --> 08:49.480 Yeah. 08:49.480 --> 08:51.480 Well, Kurt came the year after. 08:51.480 --> 08:57.480 So for just a period of time for one year, you guys actually got to host something news related and then they got Kurt. 08:57.480 --> 08:58.480 It was a great. 08:58.480 --> 08:59.480 I really liked doing that show. 08:59.480 --> 09:01.480 That was a lot of fun. 09:01.480 --> 09:02.480 Now did you do? 09:02.480 --> 09:04.480 No, this was right before you joined MTV. 09:04.480 --> 09:07.480 Did the motley crews, the motley crews to know where contest? 09:07.480 --> 09:08.480 I wasn't a part of that. 09:08.480 --> 09:17.480 Four winners were flown to Bermuda where they boarded a private yacht and went on a cruise of the Bermuda triangle with the four guys in motley crew. 09:17.480 --> 09:19.480 There's not forts and enough to be a part of that. 09:19.480 --> 09:21.480 Well, you may have been luck. 09:21.480 --> 09:22.480 He frankly, can you imagine? 09:22.480 --> 09:25.480 And that was after the pink houses. 09:25.480 --> 09:27.480 Yes, it was. 09:27.480 --> 09:33.480 But it was, yeah, it was the next year that Kurt Loder left Rolling Stone magazine to join MTV. 09:33.480 --> 09:34.480 He's still there. 09:34.480 --> 09:36.480 Dude, how old is Kurt 60? 09:36.480 --> 09:37.480 He's got to be older than 60. 09:37.480 --> 09:39.480 I really don't know. 09:39.480 --> 09:43.480 He doesn't look like he's changed at all, but I please. 09:43.480 --> 09:44.480 Please. 09:45.480 --> 09:50.480 He always looked kind of tired, but you know, Kurt was always out of lot. 09:50.480 --> 09:53.480 You know, scooping, scooping those news stories. 09:53.480 --> 09:54.480 Oh, yeah, right. 09:54.480 --> 09:56.480 Well, John Norse is still there, too, right? 09:56.480 --> 09:58.480 He finally got what he wanted. 09:58.480 --> 09:59.480 John is still there. 09:59.480 --> 10:05.480 Well, when I was the John, I got a John started as a production assistant and then 10:05.480 --> 10:08.480 If I could fuck this way to the top. 10:08.480 --> 10:10.480 Oh, yes. 10:10.480 --> 10:11.480 Yes. 10:11.480 --> 10:13.480 I can't comment about that. 10:13.480 --> 10:19.480 I wasn't certainly involved or privy to any details of that. 10:19.480 --> 10:20.480 But I don't know it. 10:20.480 --> 10:25.480 I don't have positive proof, but he always was such a jealous little queen. 10:25.480 --> 10:26.480 That's what he was. 10:26.480 --> 10:27.480 He just wanted. 10:27.480 --> 10:28.480 Yes. 10:28.480 --> 10:29.480 Yes. 10:29.480 --> 10:30.480 Yes. 10:30.480 --> 10:32.480 That's my, that's what I was doing. 10:32.480 --> 10:35.480 Back on my overall experience with John over the years. 10:35.480 --> 10:38.480 It's neither overly positive nor overly negative. 10:38.480 --> 10:42.480 He was relatively easy to deal with from my perspective. 10:42.480 --> 10:44.480 But he had been in staffer. 10:44.480 --> 10:48.480 So he never, he never kind of got difficult. 10:48.480 --> 10:52.480 Then you weren't that difficulty, but you know, you drove yourself to the studio. 10:52.480 --> 10:55.480 And yeah, I didn't, I didn't want to have no forgot damn cars. 10:55.480 --> 10:56.480 Take, pick him up. 10:56.480 --> 10:57.480 That's a paid in the ass. 10:57.480 --> 10:59.480 You picked your clothes. 10:59.480 --> 11:00.480 Patricia did your makeup. 11:00.480 --> 11:03.480 So when you walked in the door, you were ready to go. 11:03.480 --> 11:06.480 And there were a lot of premedonists that required hours of maintenance. 11:06.480 --> 11:07.480 And, you know, yeah. 11:07.480 --> 11:10.480 But I was John was, John was never one of those. 11:10.480 --> 11:16.480 He never, you know, if he didn't play games like that with me. 11:16.480 --> 11:19.480 So you did some homework for the show, right? 11:19.480 --> 11:21.480 You, you prep some stuff right there. 11:21.480 --> 11:24.480 A few different things. 11:24.480 --> 11:31.480 Speaking of news, there are two people that we worked with at MTV over the years that are both doing quite well for themselves here in the States. 11:31.480 --> 11:33.480 I don't know if they're on in Europe. 11:33.480 --> 11:39.480 Karen Bryan, two is one of the VJs that was kind of the third group of VJs after you and Julie and Kevin. 11:39.480 --> 11:42.480 But she, what she was also news first. 11:42.480 --> 11:46.480 She was in Karen Bryan was news first, wasn't she? 11:46.480 --> 11:48.480 No, that was Allison Stewart. 11:48.480 --> 11:49.480 Oh, Allison Stewart. 11:49.480 --> 11:50.480 I'm sorry, right. 11:50.480 --> 11:51.480 Karen Bryan. 11:51.480 --> 11:52.480 And that was the other person. 11:52.480 --> 11:54.480 Karen Bryan came in as a VJ. 11:54.480 --> 11:57.480 She was a, she looked a lot like Allison Stewart actually. 11:57.480 --> 11:58.480 And the two had known each other. 11:58.480 --> 12:01.480 They had gone to college together at Brown. 12:01.480 --> 12:05.480 Gorgeous black girl, light skin, curly hair. 12:05.480 --> 12:07.480 Very, very similar to Allison Stewart. 12:07.480 --> 12:12.480 I don't remember how that she looked like. 12:12.480 --> 12:15.480 Because we hired after that whole next wave. 12:15.480 --> 12:19.480 Then you were just kind of doing the top 20 video countdown and dial MTV. 12:19.480 --> 12:22.480 But mostly you predecessor to TRL. 12:22.480 --> 12:23.480 Right. 12:23.480 --> 12:26.480 You would come in once we can do the top 20 countdown. 12:26.480 --> 12:30.480 And they had Karen Bryan and Steve Isaacs. 12:30.480 --> 12:31.480 Oh, my gosh. 12:31.480 --> 12:33.480 Steve Isaacs. 12:33.480 --> 12:36.480 Who else was in that batch? 12:36.480 --> 12:37.480 Kennedy. 12:37.480 --> 12:38.480 Let's see. 12:38.480 --> 12:39.480 It was Steve. 12:39.480 --> 12:40.480 Karen Bryan. 12:40.480 --> 12:41.480 Kennedy. 12:41.480 --> 12:42.480 Duff. 12:42.480 --> 12:43.480 John Norris. 12:43.480 --> 12:44.480 Todd. 12:44.480 --> 12:47.480 One was a VJ for a while during that whole thing. 12:47.480 --> 12:52.480 But Karen Bryan was in that third batch of VJs. 12:52.480 --> 12:56.480 And she is now the entertainment watch reporter on CNN. 12:56.480 --> 12:57.480 Hold on. 12:57.480 --> 12:58.480 I'm Googling her right now. 12:58.480 --> 13:00.480 I want to get a picture of her. 13:00.480 --> 13:02.480 K-A-R-Y-N. 13:02.480 --> 13:05.480 Oh, that's why that's why it's showing some horrible images. 13:06.480 --> 13:08.480 Bryan, B-R-Y-A-N-T-I. 13:08.480 --> 13:09.480 Would you end up with it? 13:09.480 --> 13:11.480 You don't want to know. 13:11.480 --> 13:12.480 Oh, yeah. 13:12.480 --> 13:13.480 Yeah. 13:13.480 --> 13:14.480 Yeah. 13:14.480 --> 13:15.480 Did she very cute? 13:15.480 --> 13:16.480 There you go. 13:16.480 --> 13:17.480 Yeah. 13:17.480 --> 13:18.480 I remember her now. 13:18.480 --> 13:19.480 Okay. 13:19.480 --> 13:20.480 Yeah. 13:20.480 --> 13:21.480 I didn't really ever hang out with her. 13:21.480 --> 13:22.480 I don't think. 13:22.480 --> 13:23.480 No. 13:23.480 --> 13:24.480 Because at that point you were coming in once a week. 13:24.480 --> 13:25.480 Right. 13:25.480 --> 13:28.480 And Allison Stewart, who was Steve Leads assistant. 13:28.480 --> 13:29.480 Assistant. 13:29.480 --> 13:30.480 Right. 13:30.480 --> 13:34.480 When you started it, and then Allison went to the news department and did pretty well 13:34.480 --> 13:35.480 with them, TV news. 13:35.480 --> 13:37.480 She did a lot of the choose or lose. 13:37.480 --> 13:38.480 She used to do a lot of the political. 13:38.480 --> 13:39.480 She was good. 13:39.480 --> 13:40.480 campaign coverage. 13:40.480 --> 13:41.480 Yeah. 13:41.480 --> 13:45.480 She's been doing daytime anchor on MSNBC here in the States now. 13:45.480 --> 13:46.480 Right. 13:46.480 --> 13:47.480 Quite a period of time. 13:47.480 --> 13:48.480 She fills in a lot at night. 13:48.480 --> 13:51.480 I'm countdown with Keith Obermann on NBC. 13:51.480 --> 13:52.480 Okay. 13:52.480 --> 13:53.480 So those are two. 13:53.480 --> 13:55.480 Too bad MSNBC is going to shut down. 13:55.480 --> 13:56.480 Well. 13:56.480 --> 13:59.480 Seeing that, you know, it's funny. 13:59.480 --> 14:03.480 For a while MSNBC was really kick and CNN's button out for the last couple of years. 14:03.480 --> 14:05.480 That's kind of changed back. 14:05.480 --> 14:06.480 Yeah. 14:06.480 --> 14:07.480 Well, it didn't turn out the way they wanted it. 14:07.480 --> 14:09.480 They wanted it to be a total multimedia. 14:09.480 --> 14:12.480 Don't forget what the M stands for. 14:12.480 --> 14:13.480 Yeah. 14:13.480 --> 14:14.480 Well, that's true. 14:14.480 --> 14:16.480 Or the MS actually. 14:16.480 --> 14:17.480 Sands from Microsoft. 14:17.480 --> 14:20.480 Well, and then there's CNBC. 14:20.480 --> 14:21.480 Well, yeah. 14:21.480 --> 14:23.480 But that's just cable NBC or whatever. 14:23.480 --> 14:26.480 So Karen Bryant and who else is doing very well. 14:26.480 --> 14:28.480 Allison Stewart and MSNBC. 14:28.480 --> 14:29.480 Okay. 14:29.480 --> 14:32.480 Karen on CNN and Allison on MSNBC. 14:32.480 --> 14:36.480 So we talked about the post life of a VJ and television not being too successful. 14:36.480 --> 14:37.480 Those. 14:37.480 --> 14:38.480 Which means two exceptions. 14:38.480 --> 14:42.480 Neither of them are making any real money though because you know that's just like MTV pay there. 14:42.480 --> 14:44.480 I don't know. 14:44.480 --> 14:45.480 I don't know. 14:45.480 --> 14:46.480 Oh, please. 14:46.480 --> 14:48.480 I had to see an end came over here. 14:48.480 --> 14:50.480 And one of those guys that you recognize. 14:50.480 --> 14:52.480 You know, like forget his name. 14:52.480 --> 14:53.480 Yeah. 14:53.480 --> 14:54.480 I talked about one. 14:54.480 --> 14:55.480 Yeah. 14:55.480 --> 14:56.480 One of their big guys. 14:56.480 --> 14:57.480 Yeah. 14:57.480 --> 14:58.480 I forget it. 14:58.480 --> 14:59.480 Well, it's not that gut. 14:59.480 --> 15:00.480 Well, yeah. 15:00.480 --> 15:01.480 One of those guys. 15:01.480 --> 15:02.480 He was really nice. 15:02.480 --> 15:03.480 You know, he said that. 15:03.480 --> 15:04.480 It's fucked up. 15:04.480 --> 15:05.480 He was saying he was really complaining. 15:05.480 --> 15:07.480 I said, man, son, just like MTV. 15:07.480 --> 15:08.480 So yeah. 15:08.480 --> 15:09.480 It's very political. 15:09.480 --> 15:11.480 And it's, uh, and there's not a lot of money in it. 15:11.480 --> 15:12.480 It's, that's hard. 15:12.480 --> 15:16.480 You know, it's very expensive to run a 24 hour date news channel. 15:16.480 --> 15:20.480 I was talking not too long ago to somebody who was, uh, 15:20.480 --> 15:25.480 is an anchor out here for the local NBC affiliate in Portland, Oregon. 15:25.480 --> 15:29.480 And I could make more money at a Starbucks, I think. 15:29.480 --> 15:30.480 As if I restarted. 15:30.480 --> 15:31.480 Yeah. 15:31.480 --> 15:32.480 Hi. 15:32.480 --> 15:33.480 I'm Ken Stranger. 15:33.480 --> 15:34.480 Yeah. 15:34.480 --> 15:36.480 Is a really good barista in Portland. 15:36.480 --> 15:40.480 And you can apparently anchoring the NBC affiliate news. 15:40.480 --> 15:41.480 Yeah. 15:41.480 --> 15:46.480 Also, since the last time we did an MTV Chronicles, uh, a lawsuit was announced between 15:46.480 --> 15:48.480 Julie Brown and NBC. 15:48.480 --> 15:49.480 No way. 15:49.480 --> 15:50.480 What happened? 15:50.480 --> 15:53.480 Oh, they probably had a pilot that they didn't, they didn't do or something. 15:53.480 --> 15:54.480 No, this is, this is good. 15:54.480 --> 15:55.480 This is really good. 15:55.480 --> 15:56.480 You'll enjoy it. 15:56.480 --> 15:57.480 Yum. 15:57.480 --> 15:58.480 Yum. 15:58.480 --> 16:01.480 Remember about two or three years ago, Julie did that. 16:01.480 --> 16:02.480 God awful show called. 16:02.480 --> 16:03.480 I'm a celebrity. 16:03.480 --> 16:04.480 Get me the hell out of here. 16:04.480 --> 16:06.480 Oh, I know the show, but I didn't see her on it. 16:06.480 --> 16:07.480 That would have been pretty funny. 16:07.480 --> 16:09.480 I watched one episode of it. 16:09.480 --> 16:11.480 And, and she was okay. 16:11.480 --> 16:13.480 I couldn't stomach a land of Stewart. 16:13.480 --> 16:15.480 She was a finding bitch. 16:15.480 --> 16:16.480 Just like, a lot of, no. 16:16.480 --> 16:17.480 Who was a lot of Stewart again? 16:17.480 --> 16:19.480 Rod Stewart sex life. 16:19.480 --> 16:20.480 Oh, geez. 16:20.480 --> 16:21.480 Okay. 16:21.480 --> 16:23.480 Was that the English version that just aired over there? 16:23.480 --> 16:24.480 Was that a separate? 16:24.480 --> 16:25.480 Because, you know, it airs all over the world now. 16:25.480 --> 16:27.480 I think that was the same version. 16:27.480 --> 16:28.480 It aired everywhere. 16:28.480 --> 16:31.480 It was the first season they had done it. 16:31.480 --> 16:33.480 And I can't even remember who all was there. 16:33.480 --> 16:36.480 But, I mean, you know, these are all quote-unquote husbands. 16:36.480 --> 16:37.480 Yeah. 16:37.480 --> 16:40.480 I mean, a land of Stewart as Rod Stewart sex wife. 16:40.480 --> 16:42.480 I'm not sure she ever really was, but. 16:42.480 --> 16:43.480 All right. 16:43.480 --> 16:46.480 Julie, Julie, hey, that her got some told her off on the program. 16:46.480 --> 16:47.480 Julie shouldn't. 16:47.480 --> 16:49.480 I mean, the minute you go in that, you basically labor yourself, 16:49.480 --> 16:51.480 yourself as a husband, right? 16:51.480 --> 16:52.480 That's kind of the whole deal. 16:52.480 --> 16:54.480 That would be like a jump the shark moment. 16:54.480 --> 16:55.480 Yeah. 16:55.480 --> 16:56.480 Yes. 16:56.480 --> 16:57.480 You're done it either. 16:57.480 --> 17:00.480 Frankly, I think in retrospect, I don't know what the hell she was thinking. 17:00.480 --> 17:05.480 I don't mean to do it if she doesn't either because here, here's the basis of the lawsuit 17:05.480 --> 17:08.480 between her and the production company. 17:08.480 --> 17:13.480 During the taping of the show, and I missed the episode fortunately. 17:13.480 --> 17:17.480 Julie got into a bathtub filled with leeches. 17:17.480 --> 17:23.480 And was completely buried under a pile of squirming leeches. 17:24.480 --> 17:27.480 Well, that's apparently they promised her this was safe. 17:27.480 --> 17:33.480 That's um, according to the lawsuit, she still has permanent scars on her body 17:33.480 --> 17:34.480 from the leech bites. 17:34.480 --> 17:35.480 Oh, I bet. 17:35.480 --> 17:36.480 I bet. 17:36.480 --> 17:37.480 Totally. 17:37.480 --> 17:38.480 My goodness. 17:38.480 --> 17:43.480 So that was the basis of the lawsuit was permanent scarring, 17:43.480 --> 17:46.480 caused by being put in a bathtub full of leeches. 17:46.480 --> 17:49.480 When the producers had assured her it was okay. 17:49.480 --> 17:52.480 So is she suing NBC or the production company? 17:53.480 --> 17:55.480 It was ABC and the production company. 17:55.480 --> 17:58.480 We're both both named in the lawsuit. 17:58.480 --> 17:59.480 Wow, has that come to court yet? 17:59.480 --> 18:01.480 Or what's the deal? 18:01.480 --> 18:03.480 Uh, I don't know. 18:03.480 --> 18:04.480 Oh, man. 18:04.480 --> 18:08.480 I saw it on the news and I thought, oh, that's interesting for the MTV 18:08.480 --> 18:09.480 Chronicle. 18:09.480 --> 18:10.480 Smoke smoking friend. 18:10.480 --> 18:15.480 Our good friend Julie Brown smoking going should should get a hold of all the paperwork 18:15.480 --> 18:16.480 and publish that. 18:16.480 --> 18:18.480 That'd be pretty funny. 18:19.480 --> 18:22.480 And and you and Julie always had a funny relationship. 18:22.480 --> 18:24.480 There was a competitiveness. 18:24.480 --> 18:27.480 There was a bickering that went on. 18:27.480 --> 18:29.480 But you guys were okay in the end. 18:29.480 --> 18:31.480 I think there was an abonding event. 18:31.480 --> 18:35.480 You guys got put in the same limo going to like the. 18:35.480 --> 18:41.480 Oh, it was a New Year's Eve show or it was MTV video music awards or something. 18:41.480 --> 18:44.480 You and Julie ended up writing in a limo together, 18:44.480 --> 18:46.480 which everybody had been very worried about. 18:47.480 --> 18:50.480 The limo backed over some old woman. 18:50.480 --> 18:53.480 God, can't I can't remember that. 18:53.480 --> 18:54.480 Oh, dude. 18:54.480 --> 18:55.480 Oh, wait a minute. 18:55.480 --> 18:56.480 It was in New York though, right? 18:56.480 --> 18:57.480 Yeah. 18:57.480 --> 19:00.480 And the limousine like backed into some old woman. 19:00.480 --> 19:04.480 You guys were out like helping the old woman up and everything. 19:04.480 --> 19:06.480 And Julie was screaming at the limo driver. 19:06.480 --> 19:07.480 Yeah. 19:07.480 --> 19:08.480 I do remember. 19:08.480 --> 19:11.480 And somehow you guys bonded during that limo ride. 19:11.480 --> 19:13.480 And you guys were okay after that. 19:13.480 --> 19:15.480 But you guys always had kind of a funny way. 19:15.480 --> 19:18.480 And you know what I was because Julie had an excellent knack. 19:18.480 --> 19:20.480 And it was really the British humor. 19:20.480 --> 19:24.480 She had a very good knack of completely tearing you a new asshole on the air. 19:24.480 --> 19:26.480 And I just had no recourse. 19:26.480 --> 19:30.480 You know, I had no way to get because just I couldn't I couldn't do it. 19:30.480 --> 19:32.480 You know, and and so anything. 19:32.480 --> 19:35.480 If whenever I'd like tried to, you know, to the zinger back, 19:35.480 --> 19:36.480 it always kind of came out wrong. 19:36.480 --> 19:37.480 Yeah. 19:37.480 --> 19:39.480 I've got clips of Julie. 19:39.480 --> 19:43.480 There was a great one where she was talking about what she wanted for Christmas. 19:43.480 --> 19:44.480 She wasn't feeling well that day. 19:44.480 --> 19:46.480 I think she'd been out partying with Billy. 19:46.480 --> 19:49.480 I told the night before somebody that she was and she said, 19:49.480 --> 19:50.480 I I don't know. 19:50.480 --> 19:52.480 I just maybe a new blow dryer. 19:52.480 --> 19:54.480 I just want to look like Adam Curry. 19:54.480 --> 19:55.480 Yeah. 19:55.480 --> 19:56.480 I don't know. 19:56.480 --> 19:57.480 Anyway, up next. 19:57.480 --> 19:58.480 You know. 19:58.480 --> 19:59.480 I didn't mind that. 19:59.480 --> 20:02.480 I didn't mind the hair jokes because everyone's just fucking jealous of my hair. 20:02.480 --> 20:06.480 Well, you know, do you remember the time Julie had those dreadlocks put in? 20:06.480 --> 20:07.480 That was a great story. 20:07.480 --> 20:08.480 No. 20:08.480 --> 20:12.480 She was in the chair for, I think, 12 hours having dreadlocks put in. 20:12.480 --> 20:15.480 And she came into the studio the next morning and she looked like an Asian woman. 20:15.480 --> 20:18.480 Her eyes were all drawn back. 20:18.480 --> 20:19.480 And she was an agony. 20:19.480 --> 20:21.480 She was an agony. 20:21.480 --> 20:24.480 And they had put like 14 pounds of hair on her head. 20:24.480 --> 20:28.480 And it was literally pulling her scalp out. 20:28.480 --> 20:30.480 I mean, I do remember that. 20:30.480 --> 20:32.480 And she put up with it for about a day. 20:32.480 --> 20:34.480 And then she got like a pair of hedge tremors and locked them all off. 20:34.480 --> 20:35.480 It sold her length. 20:35.480 --> 20:36.480 Is that their prime? 20:36.480 --> 20:37.480 Yeah. 20:37.480 --> 20:38.480 She cut them off. 20:38.480 --> 20:39.480 Yeah. 20:39.480 --> 20:40.480 Hair looked like shit then. 20:40.480 --> 20:41.480 That was horrible. 20:41.480 --> 20:43.480 You had to wear her hair up in a plastic bag. 20:43.480 --> 20:45.480 I think they had to put wigs up on her. 20:45.480 --> 20:49.480 Speaking of which, you know who sent me an email the other day from MTV management 20:49.480 --> 20:51.480 from the early days. 20:51.480 --> 20:53.480 Steve leads. 20:53.480 --> 20:56.480 No, I've been talking to Steve a lot, actually recently. 20:56.480 --> 20:57.480 No, actually. 20:57.480 --> 20:58.480 I've seen him on Skype. 20:58.480 --> 20:59.480 Steve, I always like. 20:59.480 --> 21:00.480 I got him on Skype. 21:00.480 --> 21:01.480 I got him on Skype. 21:01.480 --> 21:05.480 He, he, and you know, I told him in Stali's like, 21:05.480 --> 21:07.480 wow, this is like a free phone. 21:07.480 --> 21:09.480 Oh, yes, Steve. 21:09.480 --> 21:10.480 No, Tom Hunter. 21:10.480 --> 21:11.480 Tom Hunter. 21:11.480 --> 21:12.480 Hold on. 21:12.480 --> 21:13.480 Oh, Tom Hunter. 21:13.480 --> 21:14.480 Yeah. 21:14.480 --> 21:15.480 What was his gig? 21:15.480 --> 21:19.480 He was, I think he was one of the in the music programming department when they were still running 21:19.480 --> 21:20.480 at lingerie. 21:20.480 --> 21:21.480 Or Abby was he? 21:21.480 --> 21:22.480 He was before. 21:22.480 --> 21:28.480 No, he was before Abby Connor, which, and remembered that prick John, what's his name? 21:28.480 --> 21:29.480 Canaling. 21:29.480 --> 21:30.480 That one. 21:30.480 --> 21:31.480 He was talent and artist relations though. 21:31.480 --> 21:32.480 I've got a good. 21:32.480 --> 21:33.480 I've got two. 21:33.480 --> 21:36.480 Well, Matt Farber came after Abby Connor, which. 21:36.480 --> 21:39.480 I'll personally tell you about Tom Hunter, just a brief update. 21:40.480 --> 21:41.480 He's divorced. 21:41.480 --> 21:42.480 He's remarried. 21:42.480 --> 21:44.480 He's been married for five years. 21:44.480 --> 21:45.480 Has three. 21:45.480 --> 21:48.480 I think three kids all grown up. 21:48.480 --> 21:49.480 And he lives in Dallas now. 21:49.480 --> 21:50.480 And he's teaching. 21:50.480 --> 21:54.480 And, and he's doing like a weekend gig on the college radio station. 21:54.480 --> 21:56.480 And he's lost like a thousand pounds. 21:56.480 --> 21:58.480 I was just going to say as he lost weight. 21:58.480 --> 21:59.480 Yeah. 21:59.480 --> 22:00.480 Yeah. 22:00.480 --> 22:01.480 He looks really good. 22:01.480 --> 22:02.480 He looks really good. 22:02.480 --> 22:04.480 What's he teaching like broadcast or radio or something? 22:04.480 --> 22:05.480 Communication stuff. 22:05.480 --> 22:06.480 Yeah. 22:06.480 --> 22:07.480 Yeah. 22:07.480 --> 22:11.480 I'm just going to teach her that would be when I think back to my degree in communications. 22:11.480 --> 22:14.480 If only I had teachers who'd been in charge of programming an MTV. 22:14.480 --> 22:15.480 Yeah. 22:15.480 --> 22:17.480 Because then you didn't listen to him. 22:17.480 --> 22:19.480 Like, oh, this guy actually had no sum. 22:19.480 --> 22:24.480 You know, I remember when I went to West Virginia to school for that entire semester. 22:24.480 --> 22:27.480 Remember my communications classes. 22:27.480 --> 22:29.480 And like, you know, if you really knew what you're talking about, 22:29.480 --> 22:31.480 wouldn't you have like a real fucking job? 22:31.480 --> 22:32.480 I suppose. 22:32.480 --> 22:36.480 I mean, I had somebody at my college who had never been outside this state of Ohio before 22:36.480 --> 22:40.480 to tell me at one point that I didn't have what it took to make it in New York. 22:40.480 --> 22:43.480 Well, you're, well, you are in Portland, you know. 22:43.480 --> 22:44.480 I am now. 22:44.480 --> 22:46.480 But that was after I conquered Manhattan. 22:46.480 --> 22:47.480 Yes. 22:47.480 --> 22:48.480 You took the city. 22:48.480 --> 22:49.480 You took the city. 22:49.480 --> 22:50.480 Okay. 22:50.480 --> 22:51.480 So that was after, yeah. 22:51.480 --> 22:53.480 That was, this is, well, you moved to it. 22:53.480 --> 22:54.480 So what can you say? 22:54.480 --> 22:55.480 Yeah. 22:55.480 --> 22:56.480 We all things change. 22:56.480 --> 22:58.480 His life goes on priorities change. 22:58.480 --> 23:00.480 So Tom skews me. 23:00.480 --> 23:02.480 What a nice bit of philosophy there. 23:02.480 --> 23:03.480 I love that. 23:03.480 --> 23:04.480 Thank you. 23:04.480 --> 23:05.480 That's true. 23:05.480 --> 23:06.480 So he's doing good. 23:06.480 --> 23:07.480 He's, he's all right. 23:07.480 --> 23:09.480 And then John can only have a little win. 23:09.480 --> 23:10.480 We easily cocksucker. 23:10.480 --> 23:12.480 God, I hated him. 23:12.480 --> 23:13.480 John can only. 23:13.480 --> 23:14.480 Yes. 23:14.480 --> 23:15.480 Because I'll tell you why. 23:15.480 --> 23:16.480 And then you can continue. 23:16.480 --> 23:18.480 When I had my good memo. 23:18.480 --> 23:20.480 When I had my Richard Marx fall out. 23:20.480 --> 23:21.480 Yeah. 23:21.480 --> 23:24.480 Which I don't remember how that actually went. 23:24.480 --> 23:26.480 But Richard started on the radio program. 23:26.480 --> 23:27.480 No. 23:27.480 --> 23:28.480 No. 23:28.480 --> 23:29.480 It did not. 23:29.480 --> 23:31.480 It started on the top 20 video countdown where there was. 23:31.480 --> 23:32.480 It ended up on the radio. 23:32.480 --> 23:33.480 Yeah. 23:33.480 --> 23:34.480 Well, that's where it escalated. 23:34.480 --> 23:35.480 But it was something. 23:35.480 --> 23:37.480 I can't even remember what it was about. 23:37.480 --> 23:38.480 It was something so fucking stupid. 23:38.480 --> 23:41.480 But he was such a goddamn control freak, Richard Marx. 23:41.480 --> 23:44.480 And then he said, I do recall this all of a sudden. 23:44.480 --> 23:45.480 It may come to me. 23:45.480 --> 23:47.480 You had said something that was really, I mean. 23:47.480 --> 23:48.480 But it was scripted. 23:48.480 --> 23:53.480 It was like a quirky MTV joke that every other artist go like, 23:53.480 --> 23:54.480 Okay. 23:54.480 --> 23:58.480 You know, after you play the video for the 20 millionth time, 23:58.480 --> 24:00.480 you know, you got to say something else. 24:00.480 --> 24:02.480 And whatever it was, he really went off. 24:02.480 --> 24:05.480 And he went up to the office and tried to get me fired. 24:05.480 --> 24:08.480 And John Cannelly immediately went, 24:08.480 --> 24:09.480 Yes. 24:09.480 --> 24:10.480 Well, we should get rid of him. 24:10.480 --> 24:12.480 He is like, thank you, mother fucker. 24:12.480 --> 24:13.480 I was horrible. 24:13.480 --> 24:15.480 I do remember we had to pull tape. 24:15.480 --> 24:17.480 You know, we've got to pull tape and say. 24:17.480 --> 24:18.480 What did he say? 24:18.480 --> 24:19.480 Exactly. 24:19.480 --> 24:21.480 The Richard Marx fiasco. 24:21.480 --> 24:23.480 I don't remember what it was. 24:23.480 --> 24:26.480 It was not, you know, it wasn't. 24:26.480 --> 24:29.480 He obviously had issues. 24:29.480 --> 24:31.480 It was unnecessary. 24:31.480 --> 24:33.480 Well, I just saw him on TV recently. 24:33.480 --> 24:34.480 He's got a new album out. 24:34.480 --> 24:36.480 And it struck me even then. 24:36.480 --> 24:37.480 The years later. 24:37.480 --> 24:38.480 What is it? 24:38.480 --> 24:39.480 10, 15 years later. 24:39.480 --> 24:40.480 He still looked neurotic. 24:40.480 --> 24:42.480 Well, he, first of all, he's a great songwriter. 24:42.480 --> 24:43.480 No doubt about it. 24:43.480 --> 24:44.480 Yeah. 24:44.480 --> 24:45.480 Great songwriter. 24:45.480 --> 24:46.480 Good producer, actually. 24:46.480 --> 24:47.480 He's been doing some major hits. 24:47.480 --> 24:48.480 Yeah, no. 24:48.480 --> 24:49.480 And so I'll give them all that. 24:49.480 --> 24:52.480 But then I was hosting a show called Hitline USA. 24:52.480 --> 24:54.480 And so it's Rick Kalman has that tape. 24:54.480 --> 24:55.480 We should get that tape. 24:55.480 --> 24:59.480 Actually, I have a real, I have an original real to real of that as well here. 24:59.480 --> 25:00.480 I don't have the tape. 25:00.480 --> 25:01.480 And he goes off. 25:01.480 --> 25:06.480 And he says, on the air, he starts saying, well, your hair looks like, what do you say? 25:06.480 --> 25:07.480 I don't know. 25:07.480 --> 25:09.480 But he was the last person that should have been making an air. 25:09.480 --> 25:10.480 Really? 25:10.480 --> 25:13.480 And then he said, I hope you, you know, oh, because I was smoking at the time. 25:13.480 --> 25:14.480 I hope you get cancer. 25:14.480 --> 25:15.480 He said, I hope your lips fell off. 25:15.480 --> 25:16.480 No. 25:16.480 --> 25:17.480 He said, I hope they got cancer. 25:17.480 --> 25:18.480 That's what he said. 25:18.480 --> 25:19.480 And your lips fell off. 25:19.480 --> 25:20.480 It was horrible. 25:20.480 --> 25:21.480 You completely went off. 25:21.480 --> 25:22.480 It's very stupid. 25:22.480 --> 25:23.480 Did that show ever aired? 25:23.480 --> 25:24.480 Did you guys get it? 25:24.480 --> 25:25.480 It was live. 25:25.480 --> 25:26.480 It was live when that happened. 25:26.480 --> 25:27.480 You kidding me? 25:27.480 --> 25:28.480 It was one of the best. 25:28.480 --> 25:30.480 It was one of the best shows I've ever done on radio. 25:30.480 --> 25:33.480 It just couldn't believe what he was saying. 25:33.480 --> 25:35.480 Everyone loved it, you know? 25:35.480 --> 25:37.480 I don't think you did well with it. 25:37.480 --> 25:39.480 I don't think you got, you just kind of laughed at him. 25:39.480 --> 25:41.480 But you didn't really fling mud back. 25:41.480 --> 25:42.480 And God knows you could have. 25:42.480 --> 25:44.480 Well, you know, what do you say to that? 25:44.480 --> 25:45.480 You know? 25:45.480 --> 25:46.480 What do you say to that? 25:46.480 --> 25:47.480 Well, he meant it. 25:47.480 --> 25:48.480 He really meant it. 25:48.480 --> 25:53.480 No, I think I said, no, he said, you're going to be out of a job. 25:53.480 --> 25:56.480 And I'll see you on the unemployment line. 25:57.480 --> 25:59.480 You'll be ahead of me or something like that. 25:59.480 --> 26:00.480 I can't remember what it was. 26:00.480 --> 26:02.480 But we all did okay in the end. 26:02.480 --> 26:03.480 It was stupid. 26:03.480 --> 26:05.480 But the cancer thing really bothered me. 26:05.480 --> 26:08.480 That was an unnecessary and unfair comment. 26:08.480 --> 26:10.480 He still looks really uptight. 26:10.480 --> 26:12.480 And like he doesn't have a sense of humor. 26:12.480 --> 26:16.480 Because he really wanted to be a rock and roll superstar. 26:16.480 --> 26:18.480 And he just didn't have it in him. 26:18.480 --> 26:19.480 You know, he wanted to be. 26:19.480 --> 26:20.480 What was the band? 26:20.480 --> 26:21.480 He was always hanging out with. 26:21.480 --> 26:23.480 Well, first of all, in his, in his band. 26:23.480 --> 26:24.480 Who was in his band? 26:24.480 --> 26:25.480 Remember who played in his band? 26:25.480 --> 26:26.480 Remember. 26:26.480 --> 26:27.480 Come on. 26:27.480 --> 26:28.480 Richie, kind of him. 26:28.480 --> 26:29.480 Wasn't, no, not, not Richie, kind of him. 26:29.480 --> 26:30.480 Or was it? 26:30.480 --> 26:31.480 Who was the guy who went? 26:31.480 --> 26:32.480 Yeah. 26:32.480 --> 26:33.480 Yeah. 26:33.480 --> 26:34.480 He had fucking happy. 26:34.480 --> 26:36.480 It was, it wasn't Richie, kind of. 26:36.480 --> 26:37.480 It was someone like that. 26:37.480 --> 26:39.480 It was like some, some doork from some happy days. 26:39.480 --> 26:40.480 Like grown up. 26:40.480 --> 26:41.480 Yeah. 26:41.480 --> 26:42.480 Who the hell was that? 26:42.480 --> 26:44.480 He was playing bass in his band. 26:44.480 --> 26:47.480 Wasn't somebody from the Parkridge family. 26:47.480 --> 26:49.480 Well, Donnie, Danny Bonna, Doochie. 26:49.480 --> 26:51.480 Danny Bonna, Doochie, and bass. 26:51.480 --> 26:52.480 He's funny. 26:52.480 --> 26:53.480 We had a good time. 26:53.480 --> 26:54.480 I, I hung out with him a lot. 26:54.480 --> 26:55.480 He was very funny. 26:55.480 --> 26:56.480 Danny's funny. 26:56.480 --> 27:00.480 Remember when he got, when he got picked up, and he was working for MTV. 27:00.480 --> 27:05.480 Somewhere in, in Florida, he got picked up for, for soliciting a transvestite process. 27:05.480 --> 27:06.480 Transvestite. 27:06.480 --> 27:08.480 That's right. 27:08.480 --> 27:09.480 Whoops. 27:09.480 --> 27:11.480 That's happened to a lot of famous people. 27:11.480 --> 27:12.480 I don't get that. 27:12.480 --> 27:13.480 He's red. 27:13.480 --> 27:14.480 You're gray. 27:14.480 --> 27:18.480 There was some tiff with that Murphy, and it transvestite too. 27:18.480 --> 27:22.480 Well, she males are very intriguing to straight guys. 27:22.480 --> 27:23.480 John Cannelly. 27:23.480 --> 27:35.480 I found, you know, I have a huge box of paperwork, funny memos and things that I saved 27:35.480 --> 27:40.480 over the years, and at some point over the last five years since we did the last MTV Chronicles, 27:40.480 --> 27:45.480 I pulled out my two favorite memos of my entire 10 year period at MTV. 27:45.480 --> 27:46.480 Oh, man. 27:46.480 --> 27:47.480 Oh. 27:47.480 --> 27:48.480 These are the two. 27:49.480 --> 27:52.480 John Cannelly's is actually my second favorite memo. 27:52.480 --> 27:54.480 I know what the first one is, but I won't give it away. 27:54.480 --> 28:01.480 October 18th, 1991, to all MTV staff from John Cannelly, subject hammer under 28:01.480 --> 28:03.480 Oh, no. 28:03.480 --> 28:05.480 The hammer memo. 28:05.480 --> 28:07.480 That's the hammer memo. 28:07.480 --> 28:08.480 The original. 28:08.480 --> 28:14.480 Please be advised that effective immediately, MC Hammer is now just hammer. 28:15.480 --> 28:17.480 All references. 28:17.480 --> 28:18.480 I love this. 28:18.480 --> 28:26.480 This is the clinch to all references, both on there and off air to this artist should include 28:26.480 --> 28:30.480 this change immediately without reflection. 28:30.480 --> 28:32.480 Violators will be shot. 28:32.480 --> 28:33.480 Prosecute. 28:33.480 --> 28:34.480 Does it say shot? 28:34.480 --> 28:35.480 No. 28:35.480 --> 28:36.480 No. 28:36.480 --> 28:37.480 It does not say that. 28:37.480 --> 28:38.480 We'll be swiftly terminated. 28:38.480 --> 28:39.480 Yeah. 28:39.480 --> 28:40.480 I mean, I have a reference. 28:40.480 --> 28:42.480 Both on air and off air. 28:42.480 --> 28:49.480 So we can't even say MC Hammer in the fucking hallway. 28:49.480 --> 28:53.480 I remember we used to go like, if you hammer. 28:53.480 --> 28:55.480 Not all mighty. 28:55.480 --> 29:00.480 I just thought of one other really funny John Cannelly story before we move onto the other 29:00.480 --> 29:01.480 memo. 29:01.480 --> 29:02.480 Madonna. 29:02.480 --> 29:07.480 I can't remember what video it was, but they had made this huge deal about this Madonna 29:07.480 --> 29:08.480 video. 29:08.480 --> 29:10.480 Nobody, it was the church, the Pepsi one. 29:10.480 --> 29:11.480 Remember the one that got like a prayer. 29:11.480 --> 29:12.480 Like a prayer like a prayer. 29:12.480 --> 29:13.480 Like a prayer. 29:13.480 --> 29:14.480 It was like a prayer. 29:14.480 --> 29:15.480 Yeah. 29:15.480 --> 29:16.480 All right. 29:16.480 --> 29:21.980 Because at MTV, we taped a day or two in advance and we had to tape that the world premiered 29:21.980 --> 29:26.480 the video two days before the video actually was available. 29:26.480 --> 29:30.980 The record label and John Cannelly made this huge freaking production about coming over 29:30.980 --> 29:31.980 to the studio. 29:31.980 --> 29:32.980 Oh boy. 29:32.980 --> 29:37.780 Give us a VJs and the senior staff a private screening of the video so that we could 29:37.780 --> 29:39.780 tape it. 29:39.780 --> 29:42.780 And they brought the video over in a Brink's truck. 29:42.780 --> 29:46.780 I mean, it was just the most ridiculous stunt anybody. 29:46.780 --> 29:49.780 And this wasn't even a televised stunt. 29:49.780 --> 29:51.780 This was behind the scenes. 29:51.780 --> 29:54.780 Was this the one with the wires running to the next room, Ken? 29:54.780 --> 29:56.780 Yeah. 29:56.780 --> 30:00.780 There were a number of us downtown Julie Brown included. 30:00.780 --> 30:02.780 I hate to malign her in this way. 30:02.780 --> 30:03.780 I had no part of this. 30:03.780 --> 30:04.780 I knew about it. 30:04.780 --> 30:05.780 No, you did not. 30:05.780 --> 30:07.780 I don't even know if you were in the building. 30:07.780 --> 30:08.780 Oh, yeah. 30:08.780 --> 30:09.780 I knew about it. 30:09.780 --> 30:11.780 But I didn't want to have anything to do with it. 30:11.780 --> 30:12.780 There was no evil intent. 30:12.780 --> 30:14.540 We weren't going to leak the clip. 30:14.540 --> 30:18.180 We weren't going to make copies of it and distribute it over the internet because there 30:18.180 --> 30:19.780 was no internet at the time. 30:19.780 --> 30:25.780 We only had one computer in the building and it was a wing. 30:25.780 --> 30:31.780 We drilled a hole through the wall and we were upstairs with the officers. 30:31.780 --> 30:32.780 I remember that. 30:32.780 --> 30:37.980 Yeah, upstairs at Unitel behind the behind the whole rack with the VCR system was because 30:37.980 --> 30:41.420 we knew they were bringing over like a three quarter inch humatic, you know, the big 30:41.420 --> 30:42.420 tape. 30:42.420 --> 30:46.900 And we drilled a hole through the wall and we ran the cables and we did a VHS machine 30:46.900 --> 30:51.220 behind the couch in the lounge, the VJ lounge back there. 30:51.220 --> 30:57.020 And before the record label even showed up, it was a two hour tape on super long 30:57.020 --> 30:58.020 to play. 30:58.020 --> 31:04.260 So it would record for like six hours and we all had to record a deck would record. 31:04.260 --> 31:05.260 Record label comes in. 31:05.260 --> 31:08.900 They play the clip, you know, big production and everybody claps. 31:08.900 --> 31:13.140 Meanwhile, all this is going on speaking of Steve Lee's love Steve leads, but this 31:13.140 --> 31:18.260 is the only thing Steve ever did that I really thought was an office thing to do. 31:18.260 --> 31:19.260 I remember it. 31:19.260 --> 31:24.940 Steve noticed the wire going through the wall and he went like, well, no, he quietly kind 31:24.940 --> 31:28.780 of opened the door to the VJ lounge and went in there. 31:28.780 --> 31:32.780 And I'm sitting there thinking, oh, shit, the gig is up, you know. 31:32.780 --> 31:37.020 And then the door opens and Steve comes out and he's got a VHS tape in his hands and I'm 31:37.020 --> 31:40.060 like, we are so buff off. 31:40.060 --> 31:43.260 And you know, it's Steve should have done his weighted to the record company left. 31:43.260 --> 31:44.260 Of course. 31:44.260 --> 31:48.660 Everything was over and then, you know, said, you guys stay here for a minute and then 31:48.660 --> 31:51.500 he should have come in and ripped this out a new asshole. 31:51.500 --> 31:53.820 But he could have taken us to the cleaners. 31:53.900 --> 31:56.860 And steady handed the tape to the head of the record label and said, here's somebody 31:56.860 --> 31:57.860 was pirating this. 31:57.860 --> 31:59.380 Oh, I do remember that. 31:59.380 --> 32:00.380 Oh, it's lame. 32:00.380 --> 32:05.060 Well, the shit hit the fan and can now he went berserk and Julie was sitting there. 32:05.060 --> 32:06.940 She was laughing a bit. 32:06.940 --> 32:07.940 She was laughing. 32:07.940 --> 32:11.660 Julie didn't give a damn, I mean, and that was one of the things the MTV management 32:11.660 --> 32:16.740 so hated about Julie is she didn't give a damn what they had to say about her or anything 32:16.740 --> 32:17.740 out. 32:17.740 --> 32:18.740 That's right. 32:18.740 --> 32:19.740 She could care less. 32:19.740 --> 32:24.340 And went off and at one point, you know, saying how we were all pieces of shit and 32:24.340 --> 32:25.340 everything. 32:25.340 --> 32:29.500 And Julie stood up and said, I hear it comes. 32:29.500 --> 32:36.460 She said, you fucking cons, I remember it. 32:36.460 --> 32:41.340 And then just went off at Cannelly, ripped him a new asshole and just like walked out of 32:41.340 --> 32:45.460 the room and said, I'm not going to sit here and listen to you talk to me like that and 32:45.460 --> 32:49.700 just walked out of the room and he turned like 27 shades of purple. 32:49.700 --> 32:50.700 Yeah. 32:50.700 --> 32:52.140 So what was he got fired? 32:52.140 --> 32:53.140 No. 32:53.140 --> 32:54.140 I had to take the wrap for that. 32:54.140 --> 32:55.140 Yeah. 32:55.140 --> 32:56.140 You got to apologize. 32:56.140 --> 32:59.780 I had to go apologize to Judy McGrath personally. 32:59.780 --> 33:01.740 He believes she's still running that channel. 33:01.740 --> 33:03.060 That's amazing to me. 33:03.060 --> 33:07.980 I saw Judy McGrath at JJ Jackson's funeral reunion service. 33:07.980 --> 33:08.980 We had a New York. 33:08.980 --> 33:12.900 And you were almost there, in fact, you missed, I think by like a week, you were going 33:12.900 --> 33:13.900 to be in New York. 33:13.900 --> 33:14.900 I wasn't invited. 33:14.900 --> 33:15.900 I wasn't invited. 33:15.900 --> 33:16.900 Oh, yeah. 33:16.900 --> 33:17.900 You would have been invited. 33:17.980 --> 33:23.140 Judy was a friend of MTV, not to the cocktail reunion thing. 33:23.140 --> 33:24.140 Yeah. 33:24.140 --> 33:25.740 You definitely would have been invited to that. 33:25.740 --> 33:26.740 Okay. 33:26.740 --> 33:28.780 And that was a trip because I looked for my wallet. 33:28.780 --> 33:32.580 I started at MTV when I was 19 or 20 years old. 33:32.580 --> 33:37.860 A lot of the people that were at this thing were there at the time and they were probably 33:37.860 --> 33:41.900 in their late 30s to 40s back when I was 19 or 20 years old. 33:41.900 --> 33:46.420 So when I wallstained to this room last April, Jerry has been expecting to be walking 33:46.420 --> 33:48.460 into like a geriatric convention. 33:48.460 --> 33:49.460 Oh, man. 33:49.460 --> 33:50.460 It was a trip. 33:50.460 --> 33:53.980 But Judy did show up and it was actually really cool to see her and we chatted 33:53.980 --> 33:58.420 for a few minutes and I said to her, Judy, it's so nice to actually have a conversation 33:58.420 --> 34:03.860 with you when I'm not absolutely scared shitless because she was a frightening woman. 34:03.860 --> 34:05.820 You know, I never, I found it. 34:05.820 --> 34:10.140 I still find to be the most unhipp woman in show business, which is why, maybe that's 34:10.140 --> 34:11.860 why she's good at what she does. 34:11.860 --> 34:14.860 But she was always the driver behind. 34:14.860 --> 34:15.860 I'll give her this. 34:15.860 --> 34:20.500 She was the driver behind long-form programming and less videos. 34:20.500 --> 34:23.540 That is completely Judy McGrath. 34:23.540 --> 34:28.020 She was very icy, but I have discovered over the years that Judy really, or I mean that 34:28.020 --> 34:33.620 Judy really does have a soft spot and she cares about the people that she worked with 34:33.620 --> 34:38.540 way back then and when she was at the party and we were talking about, you know, she used 34:38.540 --> 34:39.540 to write copy. 34:39.540 --> 34:44.780 I mean, she was a copywriter for the very, very early days of MTV. 34:45.220 --> 34:48.420 She was just one of the gang hanging out and I'm looking at her thinking she's this, this 34:48.420 --> 34:50.980 is she's another president of MTV Networks, right? 34:50.980 --> 34:52.700 Now that Kristen's been elevated. 34:52.700 --> 34:55.300 Yeah, to Viacom corporate, whatever. 34:55.300 --> 34:56.300 Yeah. 34:56.300 --> 34:59.060 First, and yeah, and it was Judy that called me when I got promoted to manager of 34:59.060 --> 35:02.820 on our talent and said congratulations, I know you'll do a great job. 35:02.820 --> 35:05.300 You'd better and then hung up the phone on me. 35:05.300 --> 35:09.300 Yeah, that was like power trip, woman on power trip thing. 35:09.300 --> 35:13.540 But she, but she, she changed the channel to what it is today. 35:13.580 --> 35:15.820 I do have respect for Judy, all right. 35:15.820 --> 35:17.220 We had talked about Abbey Connoisseur. 35:17.220 --> 35:18.900 Wait, you're going to do one more John Connelly memo. 35:18.900 --> 35:20.260 You had another cannelly memo. 35:20.260 --> 35:24.380 I don't, that was the, that was the cannelly memo was the hammer. 35:24.380 --> 35:26.340 But that was your second favorite. 35:26.340 --> 35:29.260 That was my favorite favorite wasn't it cannelly memo. 35:29.260 --> 35:31.060 That was the favorite Jackson Farber memo. 35:31.060 --> 35:33.260 What was that was that the Michael Jackson memo? 35:33.260 --> 35:35.540 Yeah, timely, I guess. 35:35.540 --> 35:37.660 Do you have the official memo there? 35:37.660 --> 35:38.660 I do. 35:38.660 --> 35:41.940 Would you like, would you care to share it with our, it still has my name? 35:41.940 --> 35:46.580 It was still, it still has the original fax header on it, where it was faxed to the studio. 35:46.580 --> 35:51.940 So let's see what we said it up because we had taped the Michael Jackson weekend, 35:51.940 --> 35:58.020 which was a part of another deal because we had, it was like three things, if I'm not mistaken. 35:58.020 --> 36:03.100 One, what was all about getting Michael Jackson to perform on the video, musical awards. 36:03.100 --> 36:08.180 And by the way, if you ever said VMAs on the air, you were punished. 36:08.180 --> 36:09.180 Yeah, it was. 36:09.180 --> 36:10.620 You had to say video music awards. 36:10.660 --> 36:12.300 You were not among TV. 36:12.300 --> 36:14.500 The whole world says VMAs. 36:14.500 --> 36:19.660 The whole world says VMAs, but we had to say the MTV video musical awards. 36:19.660 --> 36:25.740 And as a part of the deal, was that the one where he got the award in his name that I had to present to him? 36:25.740 --> 36:26.940 The Van Guard award. 36:26.940 --> 36:33.900 No, no, excuse me, excuse me, that would be the MTV video musical award, Michael Jackson video Van Guard, the award of the year. 36:33.900 --> 36:34.900 The Guard award. 36:34.900 --> 36:38.100 Yeah, somewhere in this timeline and I'm kind of flipping through it. 36:38.140 --> 36:40.700 I didn't want to bug things down here, but it's somewhere in here. 36:40.700 --> 36:44.540 It talks about when you went and presented that silly ass. 36:44.540 --> 36:48.340 That was a fun trip though, because I went with Freston, with Tom Freston. 36:48.340 --> 36:55.340 I actually put makeup on Tom Freston because he looks up front and beat December 23rd, 1989. 36:55.340 --> 37:07.980 MTV CEO Tom Freston and MTV VJ Adam Curry present Michael Jackson with the Michael Jackson video Van Guard of the year. 37:08.060 --> 37:11.180 Artists of artists of the decade, right? 37:11.180 --> 37:15.780 I'm sort of the decade, right? 37:15.780 --> 37:23.100 In Los Angeles, that was where they, Michael Jackson had to stand on a box because he had to be taller than you and your like six and a half feet tall. 37:23.100 --> 37:25.340 So that was difficult for everyone. 37:25.340 --> 37:31.180 But so as a part of that, there was also, and you already mentioned that we recorded the weekends. 37:31.180 --> 37:33.740 We recorded on Thursday, right? 37:33.740 --> 37:35.900 So we do Saturday and Sunday would tape on Thursday. 37:36.060 --> 37:38.900 Monday was usually taped on Friday. 37:38.900 --> 37:42.260 Tuesday, Tuesday was Wednesday and Thursday. 37:42.260 --> 37:45.740 Wednesday was Friday, Thursday was Saturday and Sunday and Friday was Friday. 37:45.740 --> 37:46.740 Right. 37:46.740 --> 37:49.740 So Tuesday and Thursday is where 48's and 48's, that's right. 37:49.740 --> 37:54.380 So we did a 48 on Thursday, which basically it's like a whole day of work, right? 37:54.380 --> 38:00.220 So that's 100 grand worth of, well, more, probably like $140,000 worth of production time. 38:00.220 --> 38:04.820 Yeah, I mean, we're talking, you know, two full days of the programming had been taped in one day. 38:04.820 --> 38:09.780 And then we were always happy because on Friday, we'd have a 24 because that meant we were only taping from Monday. 38:09.780 --> 38:11.500 That was like a half day. 38:11.500 --> 38:14.740 So, you know, as I was like, Friday was like, oh, yeah, you know, it's got a 24. 38:14.740 --> 38:16.540 We can go home early and get the weekend started. 38:16.540 --> 38:21.500 But then came when I'm during a 48, everybody'd have to run and change clothes, you know, 38:21.500 --> 38:25.580 do the, and then, you know, come back on the set and pretend like it was a whole new day. 38:25.580 --> 38:27.620 Yeah, just so you know, I mean, we never saw that. 38:27.620 --> 38:29.700 Typically introduced the same videos over. 38:29.700 --> 38:32.500 You're just introduced before and make it sound fresh. 38:32.500 --> 38:34.460 Yes, exactly. 38:34.620 --> 38:36.980 Come on, energy, baby. 38:36.980 --> 38:39.100 So then the, then the memo came down. 38:39.100 --> 38:42.980 Yeah, the Michael Jackson reference memo. 38:42.980 --> 38:46.700 It starts off with, and you know, did you like Matt Farber? 38:46.700 --> 38:49.060 I don't remember Matt Farber, particularly well. 38:49.060 --> 38:51.260 Um, 38:51.260 --> 38:52.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah, fun of him. 38:52.700 --> 38:59.380 You know, I, I did like him because he was really trying to keep the music alive on MTV. 38:59.380 --> 39:00.380 He was a radio guy. 39:00.380 --> 39:01.740 Was he the guy that had come from karaoke? 39:01.740 --> 39:02.740 Yeah, I was. 39:02.740 --> 39:03.740 Yeah. 39:03.740 --> 39:05.020 He brought Kennedy then. 39:05.020 --> 39:05.540 Yeah. 39:05.540 --> 39:09.740 I don't, oh, that was the reason why why I didn't quite like him that much, I guess. 39:09.740 --> 39:10.740 All right. 39:10.740 --> 39:11.740 Well, because we're about to make fun of him. 39:11.740 --> 39:13.740 I just wanted to make sure he was somebody like him. 39:13.740 --> 39:14.740 We like him. 39:14.740 --> 39:15.740 We're honest here. 39:15.740 --> 39:16.740 I like him. 39:16.740 --> 39:17.740 Okay. 39:17.740 --> 39:18.740 All right. 39:18.740 --> 39:20.740 So the memo begins with here's a unique one. 39:20.740 --> 39:30.740 We need to refer to Michael Jackson as the king of pop in quotes on air quote from time to time. 39:30.740 --> 39:32.740 Here's how we'll handle this. 39:32.740 --> 39:41.740 In VJ segments, each VJ should refer to Michael Jackson as the king of pop at least twice 39:41.740 --> 39:46.220 in each VJ segment over the next week. 39:46.220 --> 39:50.420 That's twice per segment per VJ for a week. 39:50.420 --> 39:52.020 You had to say the king of pop. 39:52.020 --> 39:54.500 I remember. 39:54.500 --> 40:00.540 And then in specialty shows such as yo top 20 most wanted fade to black, et cetera, refer 40:00.540 --> 40:07.740 to Michael Jackson as the king of pop at least once per show per week for the next two weeks. 40:07.740 --> 40:13.180 Be sure to note exactly which segment you do this in as we will be sending dubs to the king 40:13.180 --> 40:16.260 of pop himself. 40:16.260 --> 40:22.300 I know this is a bizarre request, but Fox and BET are already doing this. 40:22.300 --> 40:24.060 So we need to too. 40:24.060 --> 40:25.060 But we can't play. 40:25.060 --> 40:26.060 We can't play. 40:26.060 --> 40:29.180 We can't blame him for that because that was a part of the deal that Michael Jackson made 40:29.180 --> 40:31.180 with MTV for the video musical words. 40:31.180 --> 40:32.180 Yeah, I know. 40:32.180 --> 40:36.180 But you don't know how this sentence I know how bizarre this request is, but Fox and BET are 40:36.180 --> 40:37.180 already doing this. 40:37.180 --> 40:38.180 Dix in my cry. 40:38.180 --> 40:39.180 How lame is that? 40:39.180 --> 40:41.180 Fox and BET are doing it. 40:41.180 --> 40:43.180 We've got to do it too, my God. 40:43.180 --> 40:53.180 Can't let me ask you a question because so I met Michael Jackson out in LA and I'd have to say 40:53.180 --> 40:56.860 that if anything he's completely asexual, that was the vibe I got from him. 40:56.860 --> 41:00.860 Do you think that he really did any of the things he's being accused of? 41:00.860 --> 41:05.860 You know, I have to say I'm beginning to wonder. 41:05.860 --> 41:10.860 I had thought for years that there was absolutely nothing to this, Michael Jackson, because 41:10.860 --> 41:13.180 of his free-cish behavior. 41:13.180 --> 41:17.860 And because of the fact that he gets himself into situations where there is certainly 41:17.860 --> 41:23.420 possibility of improprietous behavior, if you know what I mean. 41:23.420 --> 41:29.420 He becomes, and because he was at one time incredibly wealthy became a sitting duck for target. 41:29.420 --> 41:32.420 You're saying he's not wealthy anymore? 41:32.420 --> 41:36.420 He's wealthy on paper, but he's got liquid financial problems. 41:36.420 --> 41:37.420 You don't know that. 41:37.420 --> 41:39.420 You can't look at his fucking bank account. 41:39.420 --> 41:40.420 You don't know that. 41:40.420 --> 41:44.420 Well, I'm saying that the news have reported that there are funny polls. 41:44.420 --> 41:45.420 Thank you. 41:45.420 --> 41:46.420 The news. 41:46.420 --> 41:47.420 The quote news has reported. 41:47.420 --> 41:49.420 We watch entertainment tonight. 41:49.420 --> 41:55.420 He has to live, you know, one of the most extravagant expensive lifestyles of any 41:55.420 --> 41:56.420 human being on the planet. 41:56.420 --> 41:58.420 Oh, please. 41:58.420 --> 42:04.420 And aside from his holdings, he's not generating much cash other than his holdings of, you know, 42:04.420 --> 42:05.420 the various... 42:05.420 --> 42:09.420 Do you have any idea how much money he gets per year? 42:09.420 --> 42:12.420 I mean, that it's an astronomical amount, believe. 42:12.420 --> 42:15.420 I know, but I mean, I've actually seen reports where they were analyzing the spending 42:15.420 --> 42:16.420 and how much they don't know. 42:16.420 --> 42:17.420 But they don't know. 42:17.420 --> 42:18.420 That race never lands. 42:18.420 --> 42:19.420 Nobody knows that. 42:19.420 --> 42:20.420 Nobody knows that. 42:20.420 --> 42:21.420 It's costing. 42:21.420 --> 42:22.420 No one knows that shit. 42:22.420 --> 42:24.420 You can't look at someone's mind. 42:24.420 --> 42:26.420 You can't look in their pocketbook. 42:26.420 --> 42:27.420 No. 42:27.420 --> 42:28.420 Well, no. 42:28.420 --> 42:29.420 And that wasn't the point of the conversation. 42:29.420 --> 42:31.420 The point of the conversation was he was weird. 42:31.420 --> 42:36.420 And he was a very obvious, easy target for allegations of his nature. 42:36.420 --> 42:39.420 I look at this ridiculous court trial going on. 42:39.420 --> 42:41.420 And it really has turned into a three-ring circus. 42:41.420 --> 42:44.420 I think the judge is a lot of a whole bunch of crap to happen. 42:45.420 --> 42:46.420 Yeah. 42:46.420 --> 42:47.420 But the judge is media horny. 42:47.420 --> 42:48.420 That's what he is. 42:48.420 --> 42:51.420 You know, we got X employees testifying. 42:51.420 --> 42:53.420 Well, these are people who were fired and have a grudge. 42:53.420 --> 42:56.420 I don't know whether they're telling the truth or not. 42:56.420 --> 43:01.420 But there's so much money out there to be had by people that anybody is going to say anything. 43:01.420 --> 43:04.420 I think if they stand to make this kind of money off it. 43:04.420 --> 43:05.420 I really don't know. 43:05.420 --> 43:06.420 I just don't know. 43:06.420 --> 43:10.420 I always felt so strongly that no, it's just wasn't possible. 43:10.420 --> 43:13.420 But so many people and so many allegations. 43:13.420 --> 43:17.420 And there's so much similarity amongst the theme that it just... 43:17.420 --> 43:18.420 I don't know. 43:18.420 --> 43:20.420 I'm starting to wonder. 43:20.420 --> 43:23.420 Well, for me, he's innocent until proven guilty. 43:23.420 --> 43:26.420 And if I agree with that. 43:26.420 --> 43:28.420 And I do believe in the justice system. 43:28.420 --> 43:32.420 And if he turns out to be guilty, then okay, I'll be the first one to say I was wrong. 43:32.420 --> 43:39.420 But let's also not forget that this guy is one of the most talented musicians we've had in my generation. 43:39.420 --> 43:42.420 And he's also... 43:42.420 --> 43:47.420 He hasn't exhibited that in a long, long time. 43:47.420 --> 43:51.420 I disagree because he's written a lot of shit for other people. 43:51.420 --> 43:54.420 He's been doing a lot of stuff for other people. 43:54.420 --> 43:59.420 I had kept hoping for him, though, that he would one of these days in the past ten years, 43:59.420 --> 44:02.420 or so create another really brilliant record. 44:02.420 --> 44:04.420 It's impossible to do that when you're going through this shit. 44:04.420 --> 44:06.420 You can't be creative when that's happening to you. 44:06.420 --> 44:08.420 There's no fucking way. 44:08.420 --> 44:09.420 There's no way. 44:09.420 --> 44:12.420 Well, this this shit hasn't been going on the entire time. 44:12.420 --> 44:13.420 But he... 44:13.420 --> 44:14.420 Long time no. 44:14.420 --> 44:15.420 We'll see what happens. 44:15.420 --> 44:17.420 I do agree in the criminal justice system as well. 44:17.420 --> 44:21.420 And the difference is between what I think and that is that that's beyond a benefit of it doubt. 44:21.420 --> 44:25.420 You can have a little teeny doubt, but that's not beyond the benefit of it doubt. 44:25.420 --> 44:30.420 I think there's some suspicion growing in me that some there's something weird going on. 44:30.420 --> 44:32.420 But a reasonable doubt is what it is, Kevin. 44:32.420 --> 44:34.420 It's beyond reasonable doubt. 44:34.420 --> 44:39.420 I still have reasonable doubts, so therefore I would that be enough to get him. 44:39.420 --> 44:40.420 Nope. 44:40.420 --> 44:41.420 Don't think so. 44:41.420 --> 44:42.420 Okay. 44:42.420 --> 44:46.420 He's also raised hundreds of millions of dollars for charity. 44:46.420 --> 44:48.420 No, that is absolutely true, too. 44:48.420 --> 44:51.420 I was always a staunch Michael Jackson defender. 44:51.420 --> 44:52.420 It's just been the last month or two. 44:52.420 --> 44:54.420 I've started to think that... 44:54.420 --> 44:55.420 I don't know. 44:55.420 --> 44:56.420 There was just... 44:56.420 --> 44:57.420 I'm with Haraldo, man. 44:57.420 --> 44:58.420 Haraldo's a lawyer. 44:58.420 --> 45:00.420 He's seen all the documents. 45:00.420 --> 45:02.420 He said his bullshit. 45:02.420 --> 45:03.420 I'd like Haraldo. 45:03.420 --> 45:04.420 Yeah, I like Haraldo. 45:04.420 --> 45:06.420 He was normally, I think, he's a jackass. 45:06.420 --> 45:07.420 No, Haraldo's only. 45:07.420 --> 45:08.420 I've always liked him. 45:08.420 --> 45:09.420 I've always liked him. 45:09.420 --> 45:11.420 You used to like him, though, because he had it. 45:11.420 --> 45:13.420 He'd be fluted in New York every day in his own helicopter. 45:13.420 --> 45:15.420 I had nothing to do with it. 45:15.420 --> 45:17.420 Nothing to do with it at all. 45:17.420 --> 45:19.420 That wasn't until much later. 45:19.420 --> 45:20.420 Nothing to do with it. 45:20.420 --> 45:23.420 While you were sitting in traffic in the roles. 45:23.420 --> 45:25.420 And you never had it in the helicopter. 45:25.420 --> 45:26.420 I had nothing to do with it. 45:26.420 --> 45:27.420 I always liked him. 45:27.420 --> 45:29.420 I thought I love watching his show. 45:29.420 --> 45:31.420 We still get fucked over here. 45:31.420 --> 45:32.420 I watch him all the time. 45:32.420 --> 45:34.420 He cracks me up. 45:34.420 --> 45:40.420 By the way, the car that the garage door fell on. 45:40.420 --> 45:42.420 You heard that story. 45:42.420 --> 45:46.420 I actually was brushing my teeth while I was listening to that story. 45:46.420 --> 45:52.420 It made me spit toothpaste all over my brand new high definition flat panel monitor. 45:52.420 --> 45:56.420 Was it the CRX or was it the Camaro? 45:56.420 --> 45:58.420 No, that was the Mitsubishi. 45:58.420 --> 46:00.420 Oh, the Mitsubishi, right? 46:00.420 --> 46:04.420 The Mitsubishi had about two months left on its lease. 46:04.420 --> 46:06.420 When I bought my first new Camaro, that was the Z28. 46:06.420 --> 46:08.420 That reminded me of a funny story. 46:08.420 --> 46:10.420 The night I picked up that Z28. 46:10.420 --> 46:14.420 And the Mitsubishi, I'll explain why the Mitsubishi was in the garage in a moment. 46:14.420 --> 46:18.420 But you got in that thing in a bathrobe. 46:18.420 --> 46:19.420 Do you recall? 46:19.420 --> 46:20.420 Yeah. 46:20.420 --> 46:25.420 And put that car up till like 75 to 80 miles an hour in a 25. 46:25.420 --> 46:26.420 And like five seconds. 46:26.420 --> 46:28.420 Well, I did it before, I think. 46:28.420 --> 46:32.420 And I was just envisioning the arrest of you. 46:32.420 --> 46:36.420 MTV and radio celebrity in a bathrobe. 46:36.420 --> 46:41.420 For doing 85 into 25 in my Z28. 46:41.420 --> 46:42.420 Didn't happen. 46:42.420 --> 46:43.420 It worked out. 46:43.420 --> 46:44.420 No, it was fine. 46:44.420 --> 46:46.420 And no, that wasn't the car that got teaboned. 46:46.420 --> 46:49.420 The car that got teaboned was in 2002. 46:49.420 --> 46:53.420 That I had SS that I had replaced the Z28 with. 46:53.420 --> 46:55.420 The car is at overlap. 46:56.420 --> 46:59.420 I still had like two months left on my lease of the Mitsubishi. 46:59.420 --> 47:03.420 And I only had one garage stall at my apartment in you for whatever reason. 47:03.420 --> 47:04.420 I think you had sold the Porsche. 47:04.420 --> 47:08.420 And one of the garage stalls there at the curry mansion was vacant. 47:08.420 --> 47:09.420 Yeah. 47:09.420 --> 47:10.420 The one that didn't work. 47:10.420 --> 47:11.420 Right. 47:11.420 --> 47:16.420 And so I had stored the Mitsubishi in the garage there for like two months until the lease was up. 47:16.420 --> 47:17.420 Oh, you were pulling it out. 47:17.420 --> 47:18.420 Was that it? 47:18.420 --> 47:20.420 You were pulling it out of the garage. 47:20.420 --> 47:22.420 That car was in perfect shape. 47:22.420 --> 47:24.420 I was supposed to be taking it back to Mitsubishi. 47:24.420 --> 47:28.420 The next day to turn it in at the end of its three year lease. 47:28.420 --> 47:31.420 Patricia was standing there in the driveway. 47:31.420 --> 47:33.420 I had somehow wedged. 47:33.420 --> 47:35.420 I knew the spring and the garage door didn't work. 47:35.420 --> 47:37.420 And it was a really heavy garage door. 47:37.420 --> 47:43.420 I had wedged a piece of wood or something in there that was supposed to prevent it from coming down. 47:43.420 --> 47:44.420 Yeah. 47:44.420 --> 47:46.420 And I got about halfway out of the garage. 47:46.420 --> 47:48.420 When Patricia, I heard her yell. 47:48.420 --> 47:51.420 And I saw the door starting to come down. 47:51.420 --> 47:52.420 I was in reverse. 47:52.420 --> 47:53.420 I floored it. 47:53.420 --> 47:58.420 I laid a huge smoker in the garage trying to like that. 47:58.420 --> 48:03.420 And I didn't get back far enough because that like 200 pound garage door went right dead center 48:03.420 --> 48:05.420 across the hood. 48:05.420 --> 48:06.420 Yeah. 48:06.420 --> 48:09.420 And put a huge dent in it. 48:09.420 --> 48:13.420 And the funny thing is, is I pounded that back out with a hammer. 48:13.420 --> 48:14.420 It looked awful. 48:14.420 --> 48:15.420 I took it back to Mitsubishi. 48:15.420 --> 48:17.420 And they said, thanks. 48:17.420 --> 48:19.420 They didn't even come out to the lot and look at it. 48:19.420 --> 48:20.420 Yeah. 48:20.420 --> 48:24.420 They like wrote me a check for my security deposit and I was out of there and goodbye. 48:24.420 --> 48:26.420 Nobody ever said a word about it. 48:26.420 --> 48:27.420 Oh, baby. 48:27.420 --> 48:29.420 That was the Mitsubishi. 48:29.420 --> 48:30.420 Yeah. 48:30.420 --> 48:31.420 I love that. 48:31.420 --> 48:35.420 And it is funny because I think even that day when I got out of the car and there was a huge dent. 48:35.420 --> 48:38.420 I mean, the garage door was stuck across the hood. 48:38.420 --> 48:42.420 There was smoke rolling out from, you know, the patch I had laid. 48:42.420 --> 48:43.420 I think Patricia. 48:43.420 --> 48:44.420 She was laughing. 48:44.420 --> 48:45.420 I bet she was laughing. 48:45.420 --> 48:47.420 She was laughing so hard at me. 48:47.420 --> 48:48.420 I bet. 48:48.420 --> 48:49.420 Because I had a fit. 48:49.420 --> 48:50.420 I really did have a fit. 48:50.420 --> 48:53.420 I was like, oh, no. 48:53.420 --> 48:55.420 But you're right. 48:55.420 --> 48:56.420 You know me and cars. 48:56.420 --> 48:57.420 Uh-huh. 48:57.420 --> 48:59.420 I couldn't help it. 48:59.420 --> 49:01.420 So do you have anything else we can wrap this one up? 49:01.420 --> 49:03.420 Because we're already at, like, what are we at now? 49:03.420 --> 49:04.420 Fort. 49:04.420 --> 49:05.420 Oh, I think we should probably wrap. 49:05.420 --> 49:08.420 That was the big stuff I had on the list for the day. 49:08.420 --> 49:11.420 I mean, you and I could talk about stuff all the time. 49:11.420 --> 49:13.420 We should do a theme next time. 49:13.420 --> 49:15.420 Like, you know, we still haven't talked about Joni Abbott. 49:15.420 --> 49:16.420 I promise myself. 49:16.420 --> 49:17.420 We're going to do that one of these things. 49:17.420 --> 49:19.420 We haven't talked about Joni Abbott. 49:19.420 --> 49:20.420 We haven't talked about Joni Abbott. 49:20.420 --> 49:21.420 So we talk about the dead people. 49:21.420 --> 49:22.420 Uh-huh. 49:22.420 --> 49:25.420 We haven't talked about Dabithis Ouron Burger. 49:25.420 --> 49:26.420 Oh, my God, crabatha. 49:26.420 --> 49:27.420 rabatha. 49:27.420 --> 49:29.420 Ah, my goodness. 49:29.420 --> 49:32.420 Nughoses up at five o'clock is it with Courader Crabby. 49:32.420 --> 49:33.420 Yes. 49:33.420 --> 49:35.420 And they say Cour'! Everybody be like, oh, I think God. 49:35.420 --> 49:36.420 Yeah. 49:36.420 --> 49:37.420 I call it. 49:37.420 --> 49:38.420 Yeah. 49:38.420 --> 49:40.420 I said it was with Crabby, everybody would be like, oh man. 49:40.420 --> 49:43.420 There was someone else who I heard from the other day, um. 49:43.420 --> 49:49.500 It was, um, God damn, I think another guy from the news department, he was kind of like a, he was a cool guy. 49:49.500 --> 49:54.620 He, um, it was Dave Serolnik, and there was someone else, there's not a Dave. 49:54.620 --> 49:58.660 I'm trying to think, Dave and Nupus, I remember Dave Serolnik. 49:58.660 --> 50:01.820 Yeah, that wasn't the one I should have kept my notes. 50:01.820 --> 50:02.820 So I don't know. 50:02.820 --> 50:03.660 I've got it. 50:03.660 --> 50:04.660 I'm sure on a memo. 50:04.660 --> 50:07.660 So I'm wearing trust me, but I'm some of my memories of everybody. 50:07.660 --> 50:08.660 You know, it's funny. 50:08.660 --> 50:13.180 I remember so many people, but when you go back, you know, even when I did that reunion, 50:13.180 --> 50:16.260 JJ thing, there were people I had completely forgotten about. 50:16.260 --> 50:21.900 You know, Chris Kelly, the stage manager and Chris Kelly, yeah, Chris Kelly was the 50:21.900 --> 50:23.500 stage manager for a long time. 50:23.500 --> 50:28.140 Then Jenna Rossitano became the, the pretty regular stage manager. 50:28.140 --> 50:29.500 She was cute. 50:29.500 --> 50:33.940 Jenna still stage managing Saturday night live, you know, because she was Beth's buddy, right? 50:33.940 --> 50:36.940 Um, yeah, Beth in this whole group. 50:36.940 --> 50:38.940 She's still directing of sure, right? 50:38.940 --> 50:40.940 But, saying Beth is directing. 50:40.940 --> 50:41.940 Beth is directing. 50:41.980 --> 50:45.860 Beth has been directing Saturday night live now for five, six years. 50:45.860 --> 50:46.860 Yeah. 50:46.860 --> 50:50.100 Um, but Jenna is there. 50:50.100 --> 50:54.980 There's a bunch of old MTV staffers that have gone over and are at Saturday night live. 50:54.980 --> 50:58.740 And I always say every time I go to New York, I'm going, I should get in touch with Beth 50:58.740 --> 51:02.860 in those guys, because that was the one, you know, one of the great things about working 51:02.860 --> 51:07.180 at MTV with all those years is that you get to go to all the cool places, you know, 51:07.180 --> 51:10.580 you get to go to the show tapings and the concerts and all that. 51:10.580 --> 51:12.980 But I never got to go to Saturday night live ever. 51:12.980 --> 51:13.980 Me neither. 51:13.980 --> 51:15.140 And we've got buddies there. 51:15.140 --> 51:16.380 Did you ever go to Saturday night? 51:16.380 --> 51:17.380 No. 51:17.380 --> 51:18.380 No. 51:18.380 --> 51:20.020 No, never did. 51:20.020 --> 51:22.940 So we should make a list of stuff to talk about next time. 51:22.940 --> 51:27.140 Well, you and I actually haven't had a conversation, you and I since the last time we did 51:27.140 --> 51:28.140 at MTV Chronicles. 51:28.140 --> 51:31.980 So yeah, I just don't want to have to brainstorm. 51:31.980 --> 51:32.980 That would require work. 51:32.980 --> 51:38.380 Like either of us have time between work and accidents and you running an empire 51:38.380 --> 51:41.140 affair from the English countryside. 51:41.140 --> 51:42.140 Yes, indeed. 51:42.140 --> 51:45.380 I'm glad you enjoyed the good at cheese shopping cards story too, by the way. 51:45.380 --> 51:46.380 The one. 51:46.380 --> 51:48.380 Oh, yeah, the good at shopping card. 51:48.380 --> 51:50.380 The shopping card full of good. 51:50.380 --> 51:51.380 Yep. 51:51.380 --> 51:57.380 Well, the cast is off my arm, so I can, I'm back to the, you get into the weirdos 51:57.380 --> 51:58.380 shit, my friend. 51:58.380 --> 51:59.380 You really do. 51:59.380 --> 52:03.980 Well, I, you know, but you, you said it yourself last week, I, I, I don't go out 52:03.980 --> 52:04.980 looking for it. 52:04.980 --> 52:05.980 It's just. 52:05.980 --> 52:06.980 It comes on to you. 52:06.980 --> 52:07.980 All right. 52:07.980 --> 52:09.980 Well, thank you. 52:09.980 --> 52:10.980 This is always fun. 52:10.980 --> 52:11.980 It's been good. 52:11.980 --> 52:12.980 Yeah. 52:12.980 --> 52:13.980 Good time. 52:13.980 --> 52:14.980 Tell me MTV again. 52:14.980 --> 52:17.860 And thank you for the, the plug there for the Ken and script show this last week. 52:17.860 --> 52:22.140 I haven't done a promo in a long time, but yeah, but something about getting an accident 52:22.140 --> 52:24.580 is inspiring to my creative juices. 52:24.580 --> 52:25.580 But I like it so much. 52:25.580 --> 52:28.180 I'd like it when you just talk about regular shit that's happened to you. 52:28.180 --> 52:29.180 That's funny, you know? 52:29.180 --> 52:32.820 That's real life seems to be funny. 52:32.820 --> 52:33.820 Typically it does. 52:33.820 --> 52:37.220 And I think that's pretty much what's going to happen this week as well, because I've 52:37.220 --> 52:40.820 gotten no big sticks or gigs, and we're not traveling, so. 52:40.820 --> 52:41.820 Okay. 52:41.820 --> 52:43.820 How's business out there, everything good? 52:43.820 --> 52:46.220 Oh, I am swamped in real estate right now. 52:46.220 --> 52:51.660 As soon as I booked an airplane ticket to Florida and gotten a car accident, I got swamped. 52:51.660 --> 52:55.660 I got seven pieces of business on my plate, and I've been working like 14 hour days, 52:55.660 --> 52:56.660 seven days a week. 52:56.660 --> 52:57.660 Right. 52:57.660 --> 53:04.080 It looks like it's going to be a banner, a banner spring from the accounting standpoint, 53:04.080 --> 53:08.820 and I'll just have to relax somewhere down the road when business slows down a little bit. 53:08.820 --> 53:09.820 Okay. 53:09.820 --> 53:10.820 You want to do some more. 53:10.820 --> 53:11.820 I'm having a lot of fun. 53:11.820 --> 53:12.820 You want to do some more of that. 53:12.820 --> 53:13.820 You want to have your Lord out. 53:13.820 --> 53:15.580 I'm actually off to Florida next week to spend a week at the parents house on the 53:15.580 --> 53:18.580 other side of Florida from where you guys go. 53:18.580 --> 53:19.580 Okay. 53:19.580 --> 53:23.920 Well, Patricia says hi, I couldn't get it to come up because Oman Opa just left and she was 53:23.920 --> 53:26.260 enjoying his soul when I know. 53:26.260 --> 53:29.620 Yeah, they were here for like while we were on vacation and they were here 53:30.900 --> 53:35.100 For what week we came back what Wednesday? I think yeah, we came back home in opera 53:35.260 --> 53:40.860 But Trisha's mom would always she was a very violent woman. She would always she still hits me like hit me 53:40.860 --> 53:43.860 So yeah, she hits me all the time 53:44.580 --> 53:51.300 I can just do his legs at first time. I met but Trisha's mom. She said you know can you look just like Jesus Christ 53:53.300 --> 53:55.300 And then she hit you 53:56.900 --> 54:02.980 All right, all right. Well, my love to the whole family back at you by and we'll do this again more sooner next time 54:02.980 --> 54:04.980 Okay, dokey 54:04.980 --> 54:06.980 Thank you. See you. Bye