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this is the daily source code
episode 184 it is well let's see
1239 that's

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past midnight it is the 25th of
May 2005 coming to you from Palo
Alto

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California from the lovely
creekside in which is actually a
pretty a pretty

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dynamite little hotel oh boy let
me tell you I'm sorry I'm
already blowing

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into the microphone it's been
another extremely long day and I
apologize that

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I'm not able to bring you a
source code with you know the
promos that I

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that I love to bring you and the
pod safe music and the mashups
and all

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the fun stuff but the the hotel
that we're in and by the way
most hotels are

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pretty full here in Palo Alto
before we stayed in San
Francisco of course there's

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a lot more capacity there for
for people staying overnight or
a couple of

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nights Palo Alto just seems to
be pretty much booked up and
this hotel has a

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free internet which is great
unfortunately you get what you
pay for I'm not

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quite sure what's going on but
it seems like the connectivity
drops out you

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know every five minutes or so
it'll drop out for a couple of
seconds which is

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just enough to mess up any Skype
call you happen to be making
requiring a

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readile team mobile by the way
which is what I have here in the
states for my

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cell phone is almost
non-existent in this area so I
guess we're roaming on what is

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it singular cellular and the
whole on second this is Paris
Hilton's new

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commercial home just check I
love Paris Hilton I got to tell
you she's

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she's smart she's really smart
now okay so what's the
controversy guys she's

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washing her Bentley

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okay whatever so because of that
it's very difficult to download
stuff and because

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we're pretty much on the road
all day there's just no other
opportunity and we

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just got back from dinner about
about forty five minutes ago I
didn't

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was Steve Gilmore who was in the
neighborhood so whatever one San
Francisco

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Steve seems to be in the
neighborhood by the way oh and
before I forget to

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night so that's Wednesday night
at seven o'clock there's a San
Francisco podcast

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there's meetup hosted by Michael
Butler rock and roll geek I I
really would

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like to go but I think that Ron
and I are gonna have to hop a
flight for Los

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Angeles Wednesday night so
that's obviously I'm recording
this Tuesday night

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but officially Wednesday morning
so we're gonna try but because
of all the

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mess up in with the America West
in Phoenix and and we just had
to shuffle a

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whole bunch of stuff around so I
just I figured update you know
this is

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sometimes I'd like to post stuff
on the blog just in in text and
I just

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have no energy for it so I'm
actually lying in bed watching
TV or another

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drawback of this hotel no porn
channels that's a wait a minute
what's this

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button ACH what's that just
gives you the previous channel
no porn

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channels not that I'd watch that
or anything like that I noticed
that what is this

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new program on television I did
may not be new CJ I know what
stands for

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it's kind of like an
entertainment tonight and now
they've got where they

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got this Phil Spectre trial you
don't hear a lot about Michael
Jackson these

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days except from the CJ show I
see like a daily update of
Michael Jackson

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trial and now that he seems to
have a have an upper hand and
that well his

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team is really attacking his
accuser particularly the mother
and it's not

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looking too good for her man and
you know what right Lisa I told
you I've been

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supporting Michael Jackson on
this all the way and in a
sitting till proven

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guilty right so this morning
started off very early we had
breakfast with someone

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who I've known for let's see 12
years but a never met and person
so when

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who was pivotal in my mind
pivotal in in early internet
days and created created

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some stuff that has really you
know been a big benefit to
people all over the

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world I'll tell you a little
before I tell you who it is the
story is in 1993 I

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had registered MTV dot com by
the way that was with total
approval and knowledge

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of MTV and I was running
something called a go-for server
this is before the

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worldwide web and a go-for
server it was basically a text
based linking

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system with menu so you'd have a
menu of you could basically
determine how

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how many different options there
were on each menu on a screen so
you know

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numbered one through whatever
and if you either hit a number
key or if you used

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your cursor keys you could
navigate to a link essentially
that could take you

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to another go-for server or to a
or to a page of information or
picture and it

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was it was pretty much a hyper
linking system and I remember
getting an email

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which of course at the time was
something pretty new as well if
you ever listened

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to the MTV Chronicles cast that
can Clark and I have done we've
done three now

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we're still another one by the
way she's like a fourth wrap up
on that

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I was going to say

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shoot oh anyway so I had my
adamant mtv dot com at the time
I received an

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email and said hey Adam really
love what you're doing with the
go-for stuff

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you know you should check this
out because this will add
pictures and and

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some layout capabilities for
your screen and included with it
was

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I think it was and maybe even an
attachment at the time you you
encoded if

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you remember those days some of
you might of something called
HTTPD I think

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it was version one dot three and
that email was from Mark and
Riesen and he

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many of you remember started at
the University of Champagne or
Bona and Illinois

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with the first browser which was
Mosaic and later of course he
went on to

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create Netscape and I remember
that that day when I was like
you know and I

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actually installed it myself my
own server was a headless sun
three and there was

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this mosaic software and you had
you know a couple of sites you
could go to

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it also could do go-for links by
the way and FTP links it could

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understood that as well and I
remember like you know looking
at this page and

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saw all these boxes with blue
outlines and all of a sudden
pictures started to

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appear and it was just a such an
eye opener and and of course
Mark thought that

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you know I would be into this
because MTV was a highly visual
medium and we're

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moving from text into pictures
and it was funny because at
breakfast this

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morning we were talking about
that and he said man you know
back in those days

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I had had like a big target on
my forehead and people were so
angry because

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they said pictures gonna ruin
the web and you're you're
ruining our our

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medium and get out of here and
stop this and you're bad and
you're evil and I

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don't think anyone can say that
that pictures turned out to be
evil on the

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unit well some pictures arguably
but so it was good kind of
reminiscing and

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I never met him and we met at a
place in downtown Palo Alto is
it downtown I

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guess yeah called the most at
the creamery and this guy's tall
he's tall

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than I am like man you're a big
he's like well I didn't know you
were this

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tall either but he's these
bigger than I am that was pretty
interesting and

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that was funny you know and he's
a big satellite radio fan he has
he has

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serious as well as XM I believe
and you know we're talking about
music and

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he's got a new company which I
think is actually located above
the

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creamery and he promised me that
when he's ready to talk about it
he'll come

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on the source code and he'll do
it in person or we'll do it
through Skype and

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he'll let us know what he's up
to and what's going on so it was
really fun

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that was just the kind of a feel
good meeting you know we're in
town and

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and able to hook up and it was
cool it was cool meeting him and
let me see

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oh man what this is so much to
talk about throughout the day by
the way I had an

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opportunity to listen to KU
radio which is the AM station
here in the Bay Area that

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is broadcasting podcast it's
interesting I don't think
they're actually doing

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podcast 100% of the time it's
well there's a lot of imaging
and and sound

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stuff that you know kind of
positions it has open source
radio there's a lot of

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that a lot of music notice that
and it sounded like that there
still had some

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some kind of other stuff in
between in fact was very hard
for us to I didn't

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know the frequency off hand was
searching around trying to find
it and must have

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skipped over to couple times
either because they were in
commercials or there

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was it sounded like a very
typical you know dial-in talk
show or something that

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was going on so that was a
little bit confusing and most of
the podcast and of

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course in lots of podcasts we we
mentioned dates you know it's
like 15th of

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March 20th of March and I guess
that's the process of basically
the submission

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process that they have to deal
with is you know they have to
listen to everything

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or approve and screen everything
before it goes out because of
the the

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the obviously the decency or
indecency laws but it was pretty
cool it was

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interesting to listen to that
and not not much different from
pod show and

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serious except that's more
current and we have you know the
concept of

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promos which is something I
don't hear a lot of on KU radio
but it was very

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interesting to listen to it then
we met with oh this is
interesting a couple of

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was it last week what's it last
week as before I left actually I
heard on

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morning coffee notes the day
wine or does he was talking
about a gentleman named

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Randy commissar who is with a
venture capital firm

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kind of Perkins here in San
Francisco in the Valley and

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what Dave was saying I'm
paraphrasing of course is that a
company like a

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cleaner person should sponsor
some of the legacy of Silicon
Valley and a good

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place to do that would be on the
Gilmore gang and so when I met
Randy and he

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said you know I spoke to Dave
and we talked for a while about
podcasting and I

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said yeah I know he said oh
really yeah because Dave podcast
he hadn't heard

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Dave's podcast so I also know
that he suggested you know you
sponsor the Gilmore

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gang and he said yeah yeah
that'd be great as well I'll be
submitting a proposal

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for you tomorrow so that
actually might pan out and and
if it does I'll make sure

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that the Dave gets a commission
on it that was it was it was it
was a great loop

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closing there was a lot of fun
let me see what did I write down
here oh meanwhile

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in New York Madge Weinstein was
visiting New York you probably
saw that Madge

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did an interview with the famous
famous drag queen bunny and I
just saw

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that that was up and posted
excuse me but I'd also hooked
Madge up with the

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tour of the serious satellite
radio studio facilities and
spoke to her as she was

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on her way back to Chicago and
she said oh I'll add him so
wonderful I met all

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these old guys these radio stars
and celebrities and she'd
basically did a

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sound seeing tour and hopefully
that'll be up in the in the next
day or so I

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cannot wait to hear how that one
over just haven't Madge walking
through the

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serious satellite radio studios
I must have been pretty
interesting let's see I

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just going through a couple of
things I wrote down just because
I wanted to

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update you on everything that's
happening tomorrow see tomorrow
we have a follow-up

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meeting at Apple and Cooper T no
never been to Apple which is
interesting because

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I've you know I always say that
I'm a beta tester for Apple
products ever since

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the Mac Plus essentially and
I've always paid for the
privilege to be

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into beta test all the Apple
products so it's going to be
great to kind of

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get a little bit of the vibe of
the company and of course this
is a meeting

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about you know what's coming in
iTunes what I'm going to ask
them is since there's

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so much noise about this and and
so much talk going on and I can
see that

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there's a lot of confusion in
some cases and some things are
just you know

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it's just not a love information
out there but I think there's
enough that I

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I'd like to ask them if I can
talk a little bit more about
what they're going

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to be doing and if I look at my
calendar I say and this Steve
Jobs is pretty

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good for if he says 60 days when
something's going to be released
you can

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pretty much bet it's going to be
60 days so let's say that's T
minus 57 and

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counting so looking forward to
being able to talk a little bit
more about

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that just to I think the
community deserves the podcast
and community deserves

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note what's going on because
it's going to affect us all in
very very positive

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ways so that's tomorrow then
we're going to hop on a plane
and go to Los Angeles

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a couple a couple meetings there
some some entertainment people
that we've

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been wanting to talk to who are
interested in course and and
what we're doing

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I don't know that you know
there's a lot that we can do
with with with Hollywood

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in particular but yeah this well
besides the fact that it's close
and it's just

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a plane ride away there's lots
of people that I know in Los
Angeles who I

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really I want to hook up with
and haven't been to LA in a
really long time so

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looking forward to that and then
we have another kind of
important meeting

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happening on Tuesday so I talked
to Patricia what we're trying to
figure out now is

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you know it's I've been away now
since I left on Saturday I'd
really like

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to go home and just spend the
weekend with with my girls with
Patricia

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Christina and then I would just
come on out I fly out again
Monday for for Tuesday

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meeting and Patricia's always
saying and you're not stay out
there but I

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don't know I gotta figure that
what we're gonna do and back at
the ranch

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exciting things happening at
podcast alley I'd see Chris
McIntyre is working

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on I'll tell you what the name
is and you'll understand exactly
what what's

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going on he's working on
something called my alley I love
the name I just love

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the whole branding and the whole
concept of podcast alley it's if
you ever heard

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John Jet had an album out once
called up up my alley up your
alley just the

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word alley is is a great word
you only have alleys in the east
coast that's

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new this is a real New York east
coast thing is an alley and
that's some really

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cool stuff that he's that he's
working on and I find myself
using podcast

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alley more and more these days
to find things he's got some you
know the the

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metadata is really starting to
come together in the forums man
that's where if

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you want to know what's going on
and what's what's happening in
podcast and

17:16.440 --> 17:20.600
what's popular podcast alley is
definitely the place to check it
out and I've

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never asked anyone to vote for
me on on podcast alley but I can
see how if you

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have a podcast and and there's
many different ways you can get
people to to vote

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for your podcasts it you know if
they like it obviously it is a
great place to

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get to get to get exposure for
for your podcast and I think
that I've got just

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the bombs I get through
everything I want to talk about
yeah so 17 almost 18

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minutes and it is almost one
o'clock so I'm gonna shut down
for now I'm gonna

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be waking up in the typical six
hour night that's what it seems
to be when we're

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on the road and then from alley
I hope to have some better
connectivity and

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more opportunity to bring you a
full blown source code because
there's so

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many cool things being sent in
for the pod show and serious
which is now

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it's almost become my new show
prep PW Fenton is doing a great
job at you know

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basically scheduling everything
making sure that everything gets
on to the

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the pod show and that's really
where I'm getting all these cool
promos from

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and the and the pod save music
if you've got something you want
to send in

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for the source code or for the
pod show on a serious satellite
send it to

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submit at podshow.com if you got
to pod save music it's pod save
at podshow.com

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and of course mashups send it
off to mashup at podshow.com
well that's it

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I'm gonna turn off the light and
a sleep and tomorrow sometime
we'll be talking

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to each other so take care and
wherever you are talk to you
soon right here on

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the source code bye